arms

[minor gust]

Which is still boring

Cuz its more mastery is vers

[bronze wharf]

and you kind of need SD procs to do DW damage

[minor gust]

But oh well

I'll take it

[thick kelp]

Looks like arms is gonna game their SD's on CD

[shadow ibex]

i like three GCDs between cleave instead of spam. as long as hitting 3 stacks > keeping cleave on CD that's a huge W imo

[thick kelp]

with jugg gone

[balmy kindle]

think its good honestly ? right now execute is dead button on colo

[shadow ibex]

that CD change i actually love

assuming with tuning we dont just ignore it and actually try to hit 3 stacks

[misty bridge]

SS turning to charges?

[thick kelp]

yes

[drowsy cobalt]

Midnight talent calculator when?

[thick kelp]

I think it will naturally flow 2-3 stacks between every cleave

[empty sluice]

damn BS extends CS xd

thats cool

[shadow ibex]

as long as i dont insta send the reset while i have stacks im happy i guess

at least a little thinking

[bronze wharf]

i think overpower now wont have 2 stacks right

[thick kelp]

it will

imp op still there

[bronze wharf]

with slam talents, tacticians procs would be more important then

[thick kelp]

below fbv

[bronze wharf]

oh right right

[minor kraken]

Why the fuck is Two handed specialization still there as a talent?

[hardy marten]

finishing blows node under a pure aoe talent is certainly a choice

[shadow ibex]

is there actual colossus changes NYI or just wowhead weirdness

[minor gust]

No hero talent stuff

Yet

[vast helm]

we back ?

[misty bridge]

Spiteful serenity my beloved still remains

[balmy kindle]

kinda back judging from now, holy hyped

[minor gust]

Bro just asked if we back after a massive rework

We are so back

[shadow ibex]

lmao wait wait wait wait

that fury talent

is the coolest shit i ever seen

[bronze wharf]

honestly spiteful serenity might be the go to lmao

with more crit/mastery oriented space

and no iftk

[vernal thistle]

Chat tldr is its joever or are we barrack

[balmy kindle]

kill or be killed ?

[misty bridge]

barrack

[vernal thistle]

Lfg

[shadow ibex]

yea

i mean its dumb to have a capstone be dedicated to a cheat death as a dps

[minor gust]

What's it do I can't look rn

[shadow ibex]

but its funny

[soft sigil]

It's legion hidden fury cheat death

[shadow ibex]

that tooltip has 0 output value

[balmy kindle]

I mean the amount of times i have died to white swings on fury , seems pretty useful

[shadow ibex]

well you would have to kill the mob that meleed you

in 8 seconds

[soft sigil]

Useless in real content

[shadow ibex]

gl killing m+ trash in 8 secs

[balmy kindle]

oh wait didnt realized its 8 secs

oof

maybe in pvp its gonna be cheese idk

[shadow ibex]

strange decision to spend a capstone on that

i appreciate the energy but execution is 0/10

[radiant dawn]

for world content andy who somehow dies to mobs

[bronze wharf]

maybe it will come up live with bonus dmg when "dead"

[radiant dawn]

[bronze wharf]

then it would be funny

[balmy kindle]

i think its only going to be good in arenas

[weak rain]

Holy, avatar is truly gone, we now 45 sec(30 with am) cd class

[empty sluice]

renata R from lol

[balmy kindle]

8s of zug zug

[weak rain]

methodical

[shadow ibex]

it would have to give you a super buff version of bloodlust and like reduce all ability cost by 100%

[minor gust]

So weird to put that in spec tree with no DPS increase or something with it to make it viable

[arctic compass]

Wtf is happening, are we back?

[balmy kindle]

very BACK

[minor gust]

Cuz right now you will never take that in real content

[shadow ibex]

yea mad weird

[minor gust]

Cuz it doesn't do anything you just live for 8 seconds after dying

[shadow ibex]

i appreciate the flavor attempt but

0/10

[minor gust]

Yeah 100%

Should be in class tree tho

Or have like a 10% BT buff tied to it or something

Something passive

[shadow ibex]

even if you gave it a 100% stronger version of bloodlust and made ramapge cost 0 rage

and lasted 20 seconds isntead of 8

[weak rain]

Bro, infinite stacking deep wounds in exe phase lmao, lets goo, jugg gone

[shadow ibex]

at least the DW isnt based off crit dmg

[balmy kindle]

thing is, if u put it on 20s its going to be busted in arenas ( granted they can adjust it seperately )

[shadow ibex]

so its not a % of ur dmg the exe did

so no crit rng

[vast surge]

Guys, this arms rework sound cool

[short oasis]

Are we back? with that arms tree rework*

[shadow ibex]

really though having a boss die with 30 seconds left on your deepwound

[balmy kindle]

they were not lying on the trailers

[shadow ibex]

is gonna be

[weak rain]

before exe phase onl yMS crits apply deep woons, so poor colossus

[vast surge]

The duration doesn’t stack

Only the damage

[shadow ibex]

oh i read it the other way im dumb

[bronze wharf]

it will have SD as well

[vast surge]

Does that mean our mastery has been reworked?

[shadow ibex]

yes

probably just physical dmg

[weak rain]

Yes, but compare slayer SD shower and colo

[shadow ibex]

or dmg on the important stuff

[vast surge]

Ravager is gone

[shadow ibex]

as it should be

[vast surge]

Gonna be interesting for colossus

[dim basalt]

valorstones gone

w

[bronze wharf]

bonus magical dmg from mastery

[shadow ibex]

and BS isnt a huge investment

[vast surge]

I won’t miss Ravager

[shadow ibex]

you take BS and thats it

take bonegrinder for aoe

no need for unhinged to make BS good

[short oasis]

Does arms get a new mastery? with deep wounds being a talent now?

[vast surge]

I like that bladestorm refunds the duration of CS

[minor gust]

Sorta

[short oasis]

do we know what it is?

[minor gust]

Just flat dmg

Not tied to bleed

[weak rain]

Sweeps reworked to 6 abilities base, right?

[minor gust]

So vers 2.0

[candid pecan]

this should work on aoe too right? extends CS on every target?

[minor gust]

Yeah

[candid pecan]

[minor gust]

Since CS is AOE now

No more WB

[shadow ibex]

its a good tree

[vast surge]

They cooked

[weak rain]

I really like arms tree and I really like that they removed focking avatar

[candid pecan]

they had enough of the RIP gifs, they reworked the talents

[vast surge]

Did they make thunderous roar baseline?

[candid pecan]

thank god

[minor gust]

They saw the bland chicken quote and realized oh shit we forgot about warrior

[short oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/just-like-that-were-back-welcome-back-we-made-it-dave-olson-gif-17352324

[shadow ibex]

iftk gone

[minor gust]

So they cooked

[thick kelp]

deleted afaik

[shadow ibex]

this is gonna be a sloooow spec

[radiant lion]

what's with them and wanting warriors to have bleeds

Get me out

[shadow ibex]

no iftk is gonna slow shit down

[candid pecan]

check #updates-midnight

[vast surge]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-evil-austin-powers-pixelbandits-homies-salute-gif-13012330243859586290

[weak rain]

arms identity, execute+bleed

[radiant dawn]

bleeds ... KINO ....

[shadow ibex]

losing 50% uptime mini bloodlust

[thick kelp]

fuck haste on this spec

[shadow ibex]

really wonder how slow this shit is gonna be

[cobalt sinew]

the real question is if ss will be a gcd still

[shadow ibex]

i welcome it

[thick kelp]

yes

[short oasis]

only thing i dont like, from the looks of it, we might have to play spear

[bronze wharf]

also new expansion stat squish

[short oasis]

Cuz roar is missing

[thick kelp]

util node

[shadow ibex]

yea lots of util at the end is good

means we can take all the 2/2 dps increases and not miss shit

[radiant dawn]

i just see in #updates-midnight "arms rotation is BM levels of boring" and I'm sitting there coping and praying that apex and hero shit will make it, not, in fact BM

[shadow ibex]

BC is mandatory ig

[radiant dawn]

and if it sucks I still play because I'm hopeless

[shadow ibex]

but shattering and last stand you can skip 100%

[short oasis]

wait a sec

does arms lose avatar?

[thick kelp]

yep

[short oasis]

or did it become baseline

[thick kelp]

gone

[short oasis]

[karmic reef]

Am I reading this correctly? Sweeping strikes has limited amount of ability you can use instead of duration?

[thick kelp]

correvt

[minor gust]

Yes

OG sweeping back

[shadow ibex]

we dont have a major cd then yea?

assuming CS is 45 and then like 22 with AM

[short oasis]

only colossus smash from the look of it

[thick kelp]

bladestorm

[short oasis]

and bladestorm

[shadow ibex]

ahhh BS

[thick kelp]

doesnt get reduced by AM

[minor gust]

Which means incoming CS apex talent for arms

Calling it now

[short oasis]

cs apex talent?

[regal wharf]

YOOOOOOOO

SWEEPING STRIKES

[shadow ibex]

yea how are apex talents fitting into this

just another row under BS?

[thick kelp]

or on the side

[minor gust]

Well find out in a month

[thick kelp]

but they are their own chunk

[shadow ibex]

the point cost is seperate?

or w/e

like you couldnt take points from the apex chunk and use them elsewhere higherup

[dreamy spire]

So avatar and dragons roar gone for arms? We are left with Bladestorm and Spear?

[minor gust]

Spear is just util

Not a DPS cd

[steep osprey]

how is arms talents

[dim basalt]

really good

[minor gust]

Look for yourself

Why u asking us

It just came out xd

[dreamy spire]

okay, so we have no big burst CD anymore. except BS?

[radiant dawn]

maybe he's on break at work and just wants peoples opinions

[sacred ore]

Do not like what they did to warriors

[minor gust]

No big CD anymore besides BS

[radiant dawn]

I can't even open wow head with my dog ass connection ATM

[soft gust]

Sweeping strikes is charge based now?

[minor gust]

Which is what we have been asking for

Arms had to many cds

[dreamy spire]

removing avatar is popo for pvp, it was a free root/slow breaker. dont like hat

that*

[soft gust]

is there a total changelog or is it just the trees for rn

[short oasis]

idk if im a huge fan of one of the last talents, with slam making MS better

[dreamy spire]

avatar was fine. Roar & Spear were popo

[minor gust]

I don't concern myself with PvP so bye bye ava

[sharp tendon]

Hate slam was hoping for a bether skull split like it was bedore

Before

[dim basalt]

Slam wont feel as bad anymore

[sharp tendon]

True

[vast surge]

They need to update the audio for slam. It’s ass.

[minor gust]

Won't feel bad at all cuz it actually interacts with your kit

And not just useless weak filler

[dim basalt]

I love our opener already

Just being bursty

[sharp tendon]

Slam also just have a bad show

[radiant lion]

just want a strong bladestorm, mop bladestorm fucks

[vast surge]

I do like what they’ve done to make pressing slam feel good.

[minor gust]

Removing BS from AM and other CDs allows for them to make BS actually do dmg

[shadow ibex]

really wonder what rage looks like and how slow it plays

[dim basalt]

Rage will prob kinda play a role in the first patch if I had to guess

[shadow ibex]

no iftk haste is p massive we've been playing fast arms since like bfa

[radiant lion]

yep, and no unhinged propping it up... bs better fucking own

[dim basalt]

And become whatever in the later patches with stats

[dusk agate]

That charge talent is super interesting, return to charge weaving

[dim basalt]

low haste low crit = no bueno

[river ridge]

But Juggernaut is dead tho

[shadow ibex]

its been p much 60+ apm cuz of iftk or corruption for like 6 years

[dim basalt]

ye god bless

[river ridge]

We love to see it

[vast surge]

Juggernaut is gone and I’ve never been happier

[shadow ibex]

the fact finishing blows is at the bottom of the tree

makes me believe rage is gonna be tight

[minor gust]

Idk

[dim basalt]

I think it would be lit if they also added DW to collat

[river ridge]

Like Jugg is gone. Test of Might is gone.

[minor gust]

We'll see tho when we can play

[river ridge]

Already got me excited to try it out xD

[minor gust]

No clue how rage and global economy is gonna be

Till we can play

[dim basalt]

DN and FB should swap places

[shadow ibex]

i assume FB is there cuz thats the exe side

[dim basalt]

Theyre both weird on their spots

[shadow ibex]

and exe is gonna be expensive

[dim basalt]

hmm

[shadow ibex]

but

look what its under

[dreamy spire]

anyone did the math for blunt instruments/spitefull serenity?

In what situation we are gonna use these talents?

[shadow ibex]

to path to FB, you have to get an two target talent

that is a very bad place for it yea

[dreamy spire]

My monkey brain says: dmg spikes = blunt, lkong fights spitefull

[minor gust]

Shit just came out like an hour ago

No math will exist

[shadow ibex]

yea ur right DN and FB need to swap

if you wanted FB for st, you have to go thru aoe talents

[dim basalt]

FB wouldnt be cheaper if it was on DNs spot anyway

Still T3

With lots of other sick talents

[shadow ibex]

to get to fb youd have to take cleave

[dim basalt]

We will definitely starve points down there lmao

[shadow ibex]

so yea it needs to move

DN is the aoe option there

u can path with crit too but at very least u have to take collat and that would do nothing in ST

[dim basalt]

Efficiency would also feel better if it was on the same side of FB

But we dont know what talents will be played anyway

[shadow ibex]

honestly yea just swap FB and DN

[dim basalt]

And according to Archi it will be tight

[shadow ibex]

at the very least only cuz its an aoe talent and u'd be pathing thru aoe to get to it

vs if FB was actually rlly good but ah shit i gotta take collateral for it?

[radiant dawn]

wouldn't be surprised if this was the case but I feel like longer duration just ends up feeling worse in any scenario

like ignoring math and the actual throughput

i ain't wanna press a cooldown to do a bit more for a while I wanna pump

[slow saddle]

Ofc

[dim basalt]

Even in aoe I can see BI being better

You pre-stack collat

[slow saddle]

Flat dmg profile suck

[radiant dawn]

yeah

[dim basalt]

And do some boom boom

[devout pewter]

Am i dreaming?

[slow saddle]

I just wanna boom boom

[minor gust]

That's why colossus exists

[radiant dawn]

like stacking demolish and a collat if ur lucky into BI would just be sex anyways

[minor gust]

Slayer flat Colossus burst

[dim basalt]

We might get to see col in raid man

Especially with a bleed set

Hard to imagine

[shadow ibex]

The fact you can have spiteful and am

[limber prairie]

ok boys, we're back

[shadow ibex]

In theory you could have 100% uptime

Rn am is like 50% cdr on cs

[radiant dawn]

Consolation slam price for getting no procs

[copper swan]

ayyoo ToM is gone ?

[radiant dawn]

Lfgggggg

[devout pewter]

I thought i was dreaming, then i saw emphasis on arms slam.. ffs

[shadow ibex]

That does include iftk haste tho

[slow saddle]

!!! Yes

[dim basalt]

Yeah 90% sounds realistic actually

[shadow ibex]

And blunt

[dim basalt]

Maybe a bit less in first patch tho

[radiant lion]

wooooo modifiers!

[copper swan]

https://tenor.com/view/i-won't-forget-you-buddy-venom-eddie-brock-venom-the-last-dance-i-wont-forget-you-gif-13672003510163581064

[shadow ibex]

I dont think its possible s1 cuz we are losing 3 seconds from no BI and no iftm

But eventually yea

[dim basalt]

Then make it 75 to 80

Which is still a lot

[shadow ibex]

During lust in s1

[dim basalt]

If you need the flat damage profile

[shadow ibex]

It would be up a lot in s1

And just got up from there

[dim basalt]

Im hyped

[shadow ibex]

100% uptime on 20% buff

[dim basalt]

Hope we get to see EA gameplay soon

[shadow ibex]

Or 50% uptime on whatever blunt is

[crystal wing]

is the implication of this that deep wounds isn't arm's mastery anymore? or am i tripping

[thick kelp]

Yes

we have new mastery

[crystal wing]

cool

[copper swan]

[crystal wing]

fuck deep wounds

[dim basalt]

New mastery will likely not be exciting anyway

Masteries are just fancy vers

[vapid goblet]

WHAT IS IT

[shadow ibex]

Mastery i don't have to apply is a good mastery

[vapid goblet]

fucking finnaly

[thick kelp]

rn on alpha afaik arms mastery is just more dmg if u have a 2h equipped

xfd

[vapid goblet]

lmao

lame

xdxdxd

[dim basalt]

Imagine mastery giving crit damage

[shadow ibex]

Good

[thick kelp]

Praying its a placeholder

[jovial hare]

interpose seems kinda pog

[radiant dawn]

prolly is lol

[shadow ibex]

I would cry

[warped solstice]

RIP Single Minded Fury Arms. 😭

[radiant dawn]

I don't imagine it'll be giga exciting

but it'll be different

[shadow ibex]

Even if it was an awful ratio

Some crit amp in my mastery

[minor gust]

I hope so cuz right now it really is just another vers even if it was already basically vers

[misty sandal]

I like my 1h, though

[vast surge]

It’s a cooler version of blessing of sac. I’m here for it.

[dim basalt]

I mean its not unrealistic it will be crit damage imo

[shadow ibex]

Im gonna cry in work rn just thinking of it

[copper swan]

so they removed SMF... maybe a hot take but i would have removed TG instead and fully make fury aggressive and rapid style spec

[thick kelp]

Atleast now your first global against a new target won't be cringe

[minor gust]

Yea

[green geode]

So rend is basically blood and thunder now?

I guess I dont see the difference

[thick kelp]

Rend is for arms

blood and thunder is for thane

[green geode]

Ohhhhh

Okay that makes sense thank you sir

[thick kelp]

uncapped too so

[molten marsh]

guys am i right that juggernaut is gone

[thick kelp]

just click once and smile

[vast surge]

Yeah, rend isn’t target capped either

[thick kelp]

yes

[molten marsh]

that one talent that made me hate raiding

thank. god.

YES

[vast surge]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-coffin-coffin-dance-funeral-funny-farewell-gif-16737844

[molten marsh]

honestly fuck that talent so hard im actually mad from having to use it

so glad that shit is gone

yeessss

[shadow ibex]

Juggernaut ruined this expansion for me ngl

[molten marsh]

i literally just stopped raiding as arms in slayer fights

went fury

[shadow ibex]

Just awful gameplay and for every fight

[radiant dawn]

Juggernaut is the perfect example of a good concept done in such a back breaking way

[cerulean zenith]

in execute phase, what has prio? execute > OP > MS or MS > OP?

[molten marsh]

DEPENDS LMAO

[minor gust]

In juggs defense

[shadow ibex]

No

[minor gust]

It wasn't juggs fault

It was slayers

[shadow ibex]

I won't hear it

[green geode]

https://tenor.com/view/cum-gif-20534148

[radiant dawn]

I'm victim blaming

I don't care

[molten marsh]

XD

[minor gust]

Slayer is what made Jugg cringe

[copper swan]

Past me, you've been heared

[molten marsh]

sorry to give a more real answer if you have a an overpower proc it's probably good to press first if iyoure lowish on rage

[quick badge]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[molten marsh]

then just only execute with 2 stacks of mortal strike

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nino-brown-meme-gif-12573636828218859098

[molten marsh]

isnt juggernauts whole problem is that its rng tho

and trackiing 3 buffs suck

[minor gust]

Still glad they just removed it

[molten marsh]

and part of that is sudden death

[minor gust]

Instead of fucking with it

[cerulean zenith]

So, can you break it down for me? do i use OP and MS and fill in with execute or?

[slow saddle]

No jugger is a win!

[vast surge]

Slayer created this problem

[slow saddle]

Sd procs = now we press 100power

Juggernaut always made sd bad

[shadow ibex]

Tbf people got lucky and maintained stacks in df

[molten marsh]

mortal strike twice -> execute always

when you get overpower proc, hit overpower, if you dont youre gonna rage starve

[shadow ibex]

Only one a handful of fights

But it happened if you were mega lucky with the sd proc tier

[slow saddle]

Juggernaut always meant, base exe worse

[cerulean zenith]

by ms twice, you mean using 2x OP to get 2x MS dmg buffs yeah?

[bronze wharf]

finally lmao

[slow saddle]

No ms when u can

[molten marsh]

no no mortal strike gives your next execute much more damage

[karmic reef]

so they kept the rend target cap

[molten marsh]

2 stacks of mortal strike debuff on target

[thick kelp]

read the rend talent itself lmao

[minor gust]

No

[molten marsh]

dont play around overpower buffing mortal strike at all

[minor gust]

Rend itself is AOE blood and thunder is something else

For thane

[karmic reef]

oh I see

[sharp wyvern]

fatality got redesigned

[cerulean zenith]

does the debuff disappear when execute is used then? like its a "your next execute does "x" more dmg"

[molten marsh]

yea exactly

[slow saddle]

What op did for ms

[molten marsh]

so 2x mortal strike -> execute, repeat

[vast helm]

where is Ravager?

[cerulean zenith]

big, thank you

[molten marsh]

but use your overpower procs or you rage starve so fast

if you dont have 2 ms stacks, you overpower to help with rage even without a proc

then ms comes back, hit that again, THEN execute

also if im wrong pls correct me other arms bois, im an m+ guy

im not big into raid as arms cause.. juggernaut xd

[cerulean zenith]

so if i dont have any ms or OP available and no ms stacks on target, but i have enough rage for execute, do i just sit and wait until i can OP or MS, or do i just send the execute?

[molten marsh]

if youre rage capped probably execute but youre probably. not going to be in this situation

honestly execute without the mortal strike debuff does beans damage

well with jugg stacks in execute phase its probably still p good.. ill just say execute but dont trust me 100% here, im an m+ main

[calm elm]

Iirc It was just send it unless you risk running out of rage for MS. But yea once you are in execute you really shouldn't be all that flushed with rage anymore unless you just had a bunch of OP procs.

[inland nexus]

Avatar is gone for arms..

[regal wharf]

Hi arms

My two mains got killed

Outlaw and frost mage

Hows arms looking

[inland nexus]

no Roar, no Avater... Die by sword and ignore pain is choice node

[thick kelp]

mage is never kill

dont lie

arms is huge W

[frosty pike]

mage has a million times higher chance of landing on its feet than arms does if youre trying to fotm

[thick kelp]

see #1423008987699351643

[regal wharf]

Dude ive played arms since I started in DFS3

Im not fotming

[dawn rose]

no sks, fuck yeah

[regal wharf]

Sks?

[dim basalt]

Skullsplitter

[dawn rose]

skullsplitter

[regal wharf]

Oh

Meh

[regal dragon]

Arms is back?

[regal wharf]

More back than outlaw or frost

[frosty pike]

hot take but im glad ravager is off the arms tree. what a flacid ability that is. never felt satisfying to use

[regal dragon]

frost dk is toast?

or mage

[regal wharf]

Mage

[fossil thistle]

That’s only a few weeks in the eyes of a lot of us Arms players who’ve been arms for 10yr lol

[regal wharf]

They turned our CD into a channel

[regal wharf]

Im the neph to y’alls uncs

[fossil thistle]

WWE is a good example as to why the new breed think they’re good but they aren’t

[floral ledge]

like ok arms get rework talent but EVERY OTHER CLASS got one too

[fossil thistle]

😌

[regal wharf]

I mean I know im ass

I have a good IO

But im bad at the game

[regal dragon]

im bad at both

[frosty pike]

i know this is likely not a final product but this is so silly to me

Mastery: Master of Arms has been redesigned – While wielding a two-handed weapon, you deal Mastery% additional damage.

i think the devs hate balancing around mastery lol

would have been cool to see a callback to old arms weapon specs. make our mastery give different stats on weapon type, even if its just haste/crit/vers

[fossil thistle]

Would suck

They don’t make an axe sword mace and polearm for every tier

[naive sage]

I thought about it too but usually you only get 1 end game weapon

[regal wharf]

Thats so stupid

Yes, you get more damage from holding a weapon

[frosty pike]

yeah thats true, weapon types are limited. i dunno, something more than "mastery=damage". i know thats generally what it has been but at least deep wounds was some flavor

now we are just a less involved fury mastery

[fossil thistle]

Most classes is mastery = damage

[frosty pike]

yeah, its bland when we already have a stat for that

[fossil thistle]

It’s called mastery

I’ll take raw damage over “chance to proc”

[frosty pike]

couldnt be me

[fossil thistle]

That’s like putting juggernaut and SD into your mastery and that sounds terrible

“Your mastery has a very high chance to effect your potential damage output through RNG”

[frosty pike]

i think thats a perfectly fine way to balance if the reward to building/speccing/minmaxxing correctly is a guaranteed output through RNG

its not ever going to be 100% but im sure most people wouldn't have complained about juggernaut if sudden death was consistent enough that it felt more like ramping with (some) chance to fail vs high chance to fail if you weren't monitoring it

or... even with monitoring it at times lol

having an absolutely static output would just make every class based around mini-dots and auto attacks

and then youre just playing the game of uptime

[fossil thistle]

But it wasn’t

And felt like crap

[frosty pike]

agreed

[eternal edge]

if i read new talents correctly, we have now rend baseline and they removed skullsplitter?

[fossil thistle]

So why would making a poor gameplay style into mastery lol

[frosty pike]

because its not a design choice that made it unenjoyable, it was a tuning issue

the proc rate was low enough that it became a problem

if the proc rate is increased through statting or some other means of agency to the player its fine

same reason we don't complain about our rotation being CDR based

it flows and works well because the amount you're getting from spent rage is tuned to do so

other specs also have some fillers that can be used to bridge a gap of bad RNG too, but i don't usually enjoy that playstyle as much

[eternal edge]

you mean like slam actually?

[frosty pike]

that could be a choice yeah, i was thinking how fury works as well where you dont have guaranteed uptime of enrage but generally youll sit close enough to 100% through correctly performing your rotation

[fossil thistle]

Pretty sure fury has had 85% uptime on enrage since legion

[frosty pike]

oh could be, i dont play fury much, seems to be an acceptable amount either way

in my own anecdotal experience i dont see fury mains complain about enrage falling off, but maybe thats the case

[eternal edge]

fury... hate that current gameplay tbh

[frosty pike]

also looking at parses im seeing a lot of these guys at 95% or higher

but yeah thats all contextual etc etc

[shadow ibex]

sharpened blades 2 pointer

10% crit dam on ms you love to see it

[fossil thistle]

Side note

You guys see US government pulled a Paladin discord

[eternal edge]

real question : we lost Dragon roar or it will become baseline?

i didn't see it in new talents

[dim basalt]

Removed

[eternal edge]

but we keep that spear

[dim basalt]

Spear is utility

[frosty pike]

my first reaction is all these big offensive CDs being removed is sucky but i'm hoping the floor for what we keep is brought up in turn. the arms setup is a little much to people who havent been playing the class for a lifetime

would love to see arms burst window just be a meaty smash->bladestorm->cleave spam

[dim basalt]

"big offensive CDs" what was big lol

[frosty pike]

we don't have avatar anymore

[dim basalt]

Avatar just sucked

roar was bad

[frosty pike]

i mean its arms bro its relative i know it all sucked

[dim basalt]

Baking avatar into cs is a lot cooler

[eternal edge]

ok so now all CD we'll have is BS?

[frosty pike]

yeah i like that its not a choice between smash and warbreaker anymore as well

thats maybe my favorite change

[eternal edge]

and maintain rend ofc

[dim basalt]

Depending on tuning we might only have cs, not even bs

[eternal edge]

agreed

[dim basalt]

But also depends on apex talents which will either affect cs or bs

[eternal edge]

ah yeah you're right so no more CD, lovely changes

[dim basalt]

I wouldnt mind BS being strong tho

[eternal edge]

all we have to do is maintain rend i guess

[frosty pike]

same, i really enjoy BS, its felt pretty in hand with arms identity for some time now

i was saying earlier how much i disliked ravager being meta

[dim basalt]

It being flat 1.5m is a good change

[eternal edge]

i hope we'll be strong cause we now have no CD

and Fatality grants now only 5 stacks instead of 15

[fossil thistle]

Means our damage won’t look like /_/_/\

😂 back slash’s no liie to be used I guess

[void thicket]

Rend is a talent chocie between it (hits all targets in range).

[dim basalt]

Nah we will be very spiky with cs

Like every 30 seconds-ish

And with cs always being aoe its nice for add fights too

• reworked ss

[eternal edge]

sounds like good changes (copium)

[eternal edge]

DAMN i didn't see it! ❤️

[frosty pike]

i think too many of these changes need number adjustments which may not have happened yet to really say

deep wounds being attached to execute is an immediate frowny from me, but it might work well enough if the damage is a nice bonus to sudden death vs a loss of overall uptime

then theres things like die by the sword and ignore pain being a choice, i can't imagine short of them really buffing ignore pain anyone ever choosing that

i'd also like the positioning of the warrior tree tuned a little bit, that feels awkward atm

[dim basalt]

Its the very first iteration, there will very likely be changes

[frosty pike]

absolutely

the majority of complaints seem to be number balancing and positioning, both are easily remedied

[dim basalt]

Numbers are really whatever right now

[eternal edge]

they'll probably adjust numbers for end of TWW and later for Midnight

[little stirrup]

Sorry i am late, why they removed Avatar from arms?

[thick kelp]

yes

[minor gust]

Because it's a bad CD

[eternal edge]

the only CD we need are CS and BS tbh

[rapid bronze]

lol

[eternal edge]

it's funny ? aha
They already did it between BfA and SL for example

[rapid bronze]

The numerical adjustments for warriors end up being undertuned af always

[eternal edge]

ahhhh! yeah as usual haha

It's obvious they're afraid we're too strong

[quasi comet]

so did blizz delete avatar from arms? because if so is that not really bad for us.

[frosty pike]

give me heroism and ill deal with some lower numbers

[eternal edge]

imagine a warcry that make the same thing

[cloud timber]

guys did they cook?

[eternal edge]

big dream

[eternal edge]

removed yeah

[frosty pike]

honestly they could even throw it in the slayer tree or something if they dont want prot/tanks to have hero

[quasi comet]

so they just deleted 20% damage increase and didnt add anything to fill the void? like im not seeing anything that would feel any better that avatar

[eternal edge]

big disappointment : demolish is still a channeling
TBH it's the worst active spell for us

[eternal edge]

we'll have some tuning numbers to be more impactful with CS

[quasi comet]

i mean im just really sad about this, i felt avatar was def a arms abilty and the class fantasy of becoming a giant in your damage amp was so cool. Now I have nothing

https://tenor.com/view/redblockcustom-man-no-arms-indian-arms-no-arms-man-standing-gif-17755513251794797743

[eternal edge]

as arms warrior since Vanilla, it's not arms ability, it always a tank spell, like they'll do for midnight

[quick badge]

We're colossus smashers now, embrace it

[weak rain]

Arms mastery is more damage based on target's health, reverse devoker mastery

[eternal edge]

the new mastery for midnight?

[weak rain]

yep

[frosty pike]

ohhh, i didn't see this part. that is much better than the flat damage i saw

pretty neat

[thick kelp]

me when i lie

[minor gust]

Spreading misinformation day one

[eternal edge]

[jade ember]

Arms mastery makes you do more damage the more Arms you have, up to 2.

[frosty pike]

what if you're goro

[fresh spire]

[nova marsh]

ARE WE BACK?

[void thicket]

no

[sage badge]

Never left.

[minor gust]

Deswind need you back to yellow

theres to many fury mains in the yellow group

not enough arms

[sacred dove]

sorry if its been asked, but what's the impression on the alpha notes?

[thick kelp]

W

[fresh spire]

deswind we're so back

[jovial hare]

dw being attached to execute isnt too bad since u cant dodge sd at all now

our mastery being "deal more dmg with a 2hander equipped" is kinda silly tho
hopefully something interesting is tacked on bc it might as well be vers w/ no dmg reduction+better scaling

[regal wharf]

Wait

Why the fuck did they target cap blood and thunder

[night niche]

then we can stack ver/mastery and do more dmg XD

[regal wharf]

[thick kelp]

rend is uncapped

[regal wharf]

Oh

[thick kelp]

b&t is for thane

[regal wharf]

Yeah I just scrolled down

LOL

Wait

Jesus christ this sweeping strikes change

[thick kelp]

yeah its amazing

[sharp wyvern]

im most hyped for the deep wounds and mortal wounds

it sounds like we gonna get some dots that actually feel strong

and not just rend

talking about rend its not on the tree

[olive nest]

How much am I inting if I full swap back to arms for last two prog

[sharp wyvern]

dont

the stamina is too good

progging as arms is inting just for survivability only

[zealous flume]

the last 2 really do crank the raid damage

every person the healer doesn't need to worry about is one squishy priest surviving something:D

[olive nest]

Yeah I won’t actually but the arms changes announced are awesome makes me want to play it even more

[fossil root]

Any luck checking out patch notes for alpha? Are we back? Is it over?

[sharp wyvern]

looking ok until we know apex talents

[frosty pike]

what was the sweeping strikes change? i must have missed that

[sharp wyvern]

its a 30 second duration and it has stacks now

also warbreaker can give you stacks

[frosty pike]

ohhh that is nice

[jovial hare]

aoe execute, surely

[lethal acorn]

They removed ravager! Lame! I do like the new rend that's always aoe though!

[gaunt owl]

#1423008987699351643

[quick vale]

Is it bad? Are we back?

[digital sand]

did they get rid of avatar for arms?

[elder zealot]

Yeah, Avatar, TRoar, and Ravager are gone from Arms

[digital sand]

idk how mch i like that

[elder zealot]

It's great for PvE, but for PvP you lose one root break

[digital sand]

hmm i liked avatar for the theme of colossus but its not the end of the world i guess

[elder zealot]

True, it does make you bigger and even says "Transform into a colossus" in the tooltip 😂

[digital sand]

but not having to worry about CD windows is gonna be nice

[elder zealot]

Yep 💯% agree

It's why Fury is so much easier to play and better in PUGs; you don't have to worry about lining things up as much, and you can just go with whatever cadence

You won't have to worry about those moments where you are unsure if the tank if gonna add more, and whether you should send or hold

[digital sand]

true ive mainly played arms cuz i like the fantasy much better then fury, but sadly i switched over for higher content rn

[coarse ferry]

Well will be happy to play legion Arms Warrior during legion remix

[grave mulch]

you mean TWW warrior during legion remix

[elder zealot]

Yeah, you don't get the Legion talents. It's current warrior, just in different zones

[unreal mountain]

i have to say, the Talent Reworks of arms and fury both look 100 times better then the Live servers

specially furys talents seems to have nice varity

[fossil root]

Go back to fury sub-forum.

[balmy kindle]

ftw

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-smirk-gif-1501673502766173669

[balmy kindle]

15%

[regal wharf]

Im gonna miss roar

It was a nice button

Fit with the shouting theme

[spring ruin]

bye ravager, you wont be missed

[balmy kindle]

I like ravager but bladestorm has more uses

[clear silo]

We lost so much 🙁

[minor gust]

and were better for it

[heavy patio]

cant wait to see the apex talents

[dim basalt]

My monk is running around with 20%

Without enchants

[slow saddle]

We lost nothing

Worth keepin. Or well ill miss iftk

[fallow sapphire]

dont see any reason to be happy about losing iconic/good skills left and right and having to pick between others

[dim basalt]

What did we lose that was "good"

[brittle pelican]

Both the damage and the audio design were lackluster

[warped ether]

Eyo guys I have duskthread bracers and waist

Cuz I thought I’ll be getting a weapon

Now I can make one

Should I remove one of the embellishments off and turn weapons embellishment into assendence

I’ll be making one anyways

Tbh I have no f clue how to sim this shit

With turbo coming next week is the crafted weapon even worth ?

[balmy kindle]

Personally don't care much about TR, just another bland aoe dot lol

Like we barely loss anything worth mentioning

[bold sentinel]

is slayer in keys completely trolling?

[fossil root]

Deprnds

[night niche]

Arms slayer is trolling in m+

[warped ether]

You feel super lackluster sadly

Even if you do perfect cd management and rotation

I’d say up to 14-15 tough it’s whatever

[balmy kindle]

ST is inferior to fury version while MT is bad as well

Best, you are squishier tooo

[warped ether]

last 16

my f nemesis

[balmy kindle]

dw turbo is coming xd, trying to get em 15-16s still

[manic river]

So what are you guys thinking about the first impresions of the midnight alpha?

We are still lacking the apex talent but this time they are changing so much of the specs

[olive nest]

Bro same! I do not like that dungeon whatsoever

My damage is always more balls than usual there

😂

[warped ether]

I just want to finish this

[balmy kindle]

Flood is hard man, big mama slays tanks

[soft viper]

bois real quick. 1t5t8t patch sims for us should be how long? 3-4? or can i just use dungeon slice?

[trim lintel]

1t 5min for ST
5t 1m30 for aoe

[soft viper]

i appreciate you

[spring ruin]

think removal of avatar is great too

no need to be hostage to 1.5 trinkets then, can use other stuff... tho id like spear gone too

[jovial hare]

yeah now ur hostage to bladestorm instead

[spring ruin]

Sounds good, love bladestorm. I think more of kit for all class should go into support ability and less cognitive load or button bloat on DPS rotation

the left side of tree has more support now forcing you to think about doing things for the good of group instead of most of time staring at a DPS meter. This change in design philosophy is going to make players less selfish and more collaborative

[dim basalt]

Don't think so

Because Slayer still reduces BS

So any trinket will work and you will line it with cs

[spring ruin]

yeah i seen that and thought it was an opporunity more than a detriment to play style. People dont use avatar for the removing root n snares which is more pvp oriented and a flat 20 percent dmg increase is kind of boring

I would like dragon roar back tho in some form

[minor kraken]

As arms warr?

[spiral coral]

ya he's arms only

fucking G

I'll play arms again this season... eventually.

[warped ether]

yeye

[warped ether]

make a grown man cry

[dreamy spire]

do we already have midnight alpha talent calculator?

[dim basalt]

not yet

[fresh spire]

soon

wowhead is working on it

[misty bridge]

rip my piano spec

[lofty pulsar]

So are we gonna be unironically less buttons than BM Hunter

[lofty pulsar]

What’s your secret to finding good pugs? Maybe I’m just bad, but I’m in 13/14s hell

[warped ether]

just bashing my head against the wall tbh

just dont get tilted after fails

and try again

and mostly do your own keys

[rare kite]

how many buttons does bm have

[mortal niche]

is the face a button?

[spring ruin]

maybe three buttons ;P

[glacial rapids]

More than Ret

But realistically 4-6 that you're constantly pressing.

[lofty pulsar]

can the only difference between like a 20 mill pack and a 40 mill pack be whether or not i crit the demolish

cause i feel like the opener is in my brain

and im doing it correctly. were basically just melee old high roll marksmanship hunter

[glacial rapids]

and whether or not you're hitting all your cleaves

[lofty pulsar]

yeah and resets

[warped ether]

after playing like an animal and pugging all the time

i can say

arms is such a luck based spec rn

if you get a lot of resets and crits

you will do 30-35 m easily

on bigger pulls

but the same pull with bad luck

you are doing 15 m

meanwhile bm and frost are doing 40 m easily no problemo

[sturdy relic]

how long does an ad need to stay up for it to be worth it to rend them say its a single ad on a raid fight that you have to switch to

[lofty pulsar]

man floodgate is like

the perfect dungeon for us

[balmy kindle]

Demolish can definitely use another 10% buff

[tribal sedge]

If you have an antenna trinket when you sim what should you set the % miss chance?

[grave mulch]

Got mythic Arcanocore lastnight 😄 feels good

[shadow ibex]

gz

[thick kelp]

10s

[slow saddle]

Yesterday🥰

Sadly no crests to fully upgrade it

[grave mulch]

BIG GRATS 😄

[slow saddle]

Yeah fury atm, my guild needs me at the better spec

[grave mulch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1nwievi/noncombat_addons_affected_in_midnight/

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[slow saddle]

Kek imagine no rclootcouncil

What a mess🤣

[quaint otter]

Council is dogshit lol

[grave mulch]

system that works the best for the longest time

[grave mulch]

the fact that gambling addons and stuff is catching strays is crazy and overboard

[slow saddle]

Council deffo is good

[slow saddle]

Hopefully it is as said.

Hard clamp on alpha then ease ofd before retail

[grave mulch]

WAIT

I wonder if Simc will get nuked

[trim lintel]

i dont think so, it reads your gears + bags when in town, so i doesn't get affected by those change

[grave mulch]

who knows what blizzard will do

[thick kelp]

then u sim like u do in classic

you enter your gear + gems + enchants manually

and then change the options

[trim lintel]

back to using Pawn

[grave mulch]

Remember Ask mr robot

[latent moss]

i hope pawn gets shot

evil addon

[fossil root]

Oh no no no what loot chuddies going to do LMAO.

https://tenor.com/view/hol-blip-blip-jar-jar-binks-jar-jar-frown-gif-10372501430729495126

[thick kelp]

Anyone else has this cool bug

[untold trench]

It's a sign to stop playing arms

[grave mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[warped ether]

holy shit man

getting inv above 16 is litterely impoosible

its like you need 3 years of exp to get into a job

but you are not getting hired becuse you dont have exp

[vernal thistle]

gonna make a new warrior going into midnight, was wondering is there any races that have an advantage other than dwarf for stoneskin?

[glacial rapids]

Nightelf has Shadowmeld

[vernal thistle]

is besides those all of it the same?

[glacial rapids]

I think Orc and Troll have a cooldown that can increase dmg which you macro into avatar or something but I don't think there is anything else too different.

[vernal thistle]

fk i cant decide lmao

think its either orc or night elf

[minor gust]

The right answer is whatever race is more visually appealing.

If your min maxing race in retail your lost in the sauce

[iron fiber]

There will be no avatar in midnight

[minor gust]

You don't need it nor want it

[iron fiber]

Only real answer though is dark iron dwarf.

[tawny frigate]

i'm sorry i havent entirely been paying attention to the new talent tree: is there a "replacement" for avatar like a new cooldown? or are there other new talents that make its removal not matter

[misty bridge]

Its removed for Arms atm

I say atm as nothing is set in stone as it's the first alpha build

[minor gust]

The point of removal is to remove the useless bloat so no replacement for ava

[dim basalt]

Avatar served no purpose

[spiral coral]

Both are great. Both are bis models and have great racials. Shadowmeld is the best racial in the game when used right but orc has a straight up damage boost. I have both, can’t decide which I enjoy more.

[dim basalt]

As a dps you benefit more from the dwarf racial than the nightelf one

[spiral coral]

You could also be cursed like me and make a Vulpera too 😮

[spiral coral]

I mean you could make this argument for orc/troll

[dim basalt]

Not really because the dps difference is insanely minor

[spiral coral]

But saying stone form is better than shadowmeld… nah

[dim basalt]

When do you really need shadowmeld as a dps lol

As a tank Id get it

[vale cradle]

Gnome

[spiral coral]

Spell aimed at me. Shadowmeld. Have agro. Shadowmeld. Going in before tank by accident or on purpose. Shadowmeld. Skips in dungeons. Shadowmeld. Tank dies and I need to juggle some ads and also save myself. Shadowmeld. Really random open world shit. Shadowmeld.

[dim basalt]

Well if you have aggro thats your fault more often than not

Youre not gonna do skips as a dps

And you could argue that shadowmelding because the tank died as practically useless because it will kill someone else instead

[minor gust]

There's plenty of skips you can do as arms with meld

[dim basalt]

Or you after breaking stealth

[vale cradle]

The answers to all those problems is die by the sword or spell reflect

[dim basalt]

agree

Meanwhile dwarf removes a potentially nasty dot

[spiral coral]

11/15 top fury’s on Murlok running night elf for a reason lol

[vale cradle]

Ima be laughing at all the arms warrior sitting in roots next xpac

[iron fiber]

Yea but night elves can do front flips

[dim basalt]

damn, most important part

[glacial rapids]

Yeah... Ima go Haranir soon as I can in Midnight. Closest thing I can get to a troll on Alliance.

[dim basalt]

n11 front flips are genuinely cool tho

[glacial rapids]

Hopefully the male model is bigger than NE

[spiral coral]

Imo I still want racials and racial stat fuckery gone

[glacial rapids]

Or just make them flavorful instead of adding stats or cooldowns to fights.

Like drinking ale makes a dwarf slightly larger or something.

[spiral coral]

I’m waiting for the day for someone randomly at blizzard to slip in a Bag of Tricks buff and make Vulpera meta

Would be hilarious

[dim basalt]

Do we have info on the Haranir racials?

[minor gust]

Play what you want seriously

Are meld and dwarf useful yeah but you can play the game just fine without.

[dim basalt]

^

[glacial rapids]

A passive damage increase against Aberrations and Elementals, as well as reduced damage taken from them.

An innate critical strike damage and healing bonus. This may work similarly the Tauren Brawn or Dwarven Might of the Mountain racials.

A targeted ground ability that summons smart roots, which can heal allies and damage enemies.

A fast travel ability that allows the Haranir to travel across the roots of the World Trees, similar to the Dark Iron Dwarf ability Mole Machine. While some locations will be immediately available for fast travel, others will need to be unlocked by exploring the world.

[dim basalt]

chads play female human or elf for style

[spiral coral]

I’m been gaming as a high mountain Tauren

[minor gust]

Happy for you

[dim basalt]

Sounds aight, thank you

[glacial rapids]

[dim basalt]

I think its one of the better new races tbh

The druid forms look so sick

Moonkin especially

[slow saddle]

Imagine every dps vulpera🤣🤣

In a raid

[warped ether]

ehm guys

i cannot see wow eu 2 for some reason

just submitted a ticket

but wanted to check if this has happend to anyone before

i cant log in

i am so confused rn

its visible on classic and mop

but not on retail

[solid sentinel]

a lot of ppl has this issue

they are working on it

[warped ether]

bruh was just about to log in to do some keys

[solid sentinel]

maybe next time

[slow saddle]

No WeakAuras Addon for Midnight race's gonna be totally changed

[lofty pulsar]

Kul Tiran BIS race

[soft viper]

im still dealin with this.. i dont see any notes on the launcher

[warped ether]

bruh

this is kinda dissapointing

[soft viper]

Closed bnet and all.. disappointing indeeed

[slim iron]

https://x.com/Archimtiros/status/1973867258272493600?s=19 Lmaoooo

Archimtiros (@Archimtiros)

Warriors are getting a mass grip in Midnight!

Champion's Spear now pulls enemies in, then tethers them the first time they try to escape the effect. The pull is very buggy at the moment, but this is a huge win for long-running Mythic+ utility concerns.

X · Oct 2, 2025, 9:46 PM

Is this bait or real?

[dim basalt]

its real

[warped ether]

how long have you had this ?

[hexed saddle]

it happened like 30 min ago or somehting

its widespread

[serene horizon]

I found a fix

If you go to your main Program Files → WoW Retail folder and execute WOW.exe, you can then login with your user, PW, and MANUAL (not the auto token request) authenticator code from the mobile app to login to your retail account OK. This seems to be more of an issue with the BNET launcher than with WOW.

Found this solution in the forums, worked for me.

[warped ether]

https://x.com/blizzardcs/status/1974202668781359299?s=46&t=MhbaS54CntY-_LC4A7Dmmg

Blizzard CS - The Americas (@BlizzardCS)

📢 We are currently aware of an issue causing some World of #Warcraft licenses to not appear in the #Bnet Desktop App. Our team is actively investigating and working to restore full functionality as quickly as possible. Thank you for your patience.

X · Oct 3, 2025, 7:59 PM

ye just saw it

[warped ether]

ty will try in a bit

ye it worked this way

[smoky kayak]

#old-updates-midnight-beta

[ebon mauve]

yo, in keys... is dusk thread actually better than dawnthread for dps, or do they just run it in high keys for the dr?

[minor gust]

It doesn't matter really embellishments weak af

[peak jacinth]

I think there is a trivial difference in weeks 1-2 when you still don't have "all the best" items. But for the most part ... doesn't matter. Because who really cares about min-maxing in week 1?? lulz

[warped ether]

i've turned to the darkside

went dk

[night niche]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-blasphemy-satan-south-park-s4e11-probably-gif-21638722

[weak rain]

no tuning continues

[latent moss]

give up

tww is over

go play remix in 3 days

and wait for midnight

[weak rain]

cba playing fury on farm(we still gotta reclear for mounts so)

[latent moss]

gg

i would quit until midnight

cba playing end of expac

legit most boring shit ever

[weak rain]

Its a dick move tbh, gotta get mounts for at least full active roster(3 or 4 more clears around idk)

[minor gust]

its such a blessing being able to enjoy both dps warrior specs

[warped ether]

back to warr ara 17 done

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-spongebob-flex-flexing-muscles-gif-26324539

[fossil root]

There should be no specs for warriors. Just one big customisation skill tree.

[fossil root]

… and bring back weapon specialisations

[floral hornet]

They remove single minded fury for fury warrior, and give arms "unarmed" talent making them do x more damage when you have no weapon equipped

the next step in arms evolution, using your arms to attack

[summer elbow]

hi how is arms right now compared to fury? ty

[latent moss]

worse

[summer elbow]

like how much? dont we beat fury in nothing? aoe st?

[last saddle]

yep

you guys suck

[stable fiber]

pretty much noting now

arms has one niche and its execute damage yet there are no good execute fights in this raid

[summer elbow]

and m+?

[stable fiber]

way worse now

it was better IMO but then they changed the tier set and now its worse

it was already close, then they nerfed arms tier and buffed fury slayer tier

[summer elbow]

i rlly love my execute arms

[halcyon valve]

Thats just monk

[fossil root]

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-predator-flex-teamwork-together-gif-16947606

[glacial rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/animation-cartoons-toons-bart-simpson-the-simpsons-gif-14827584

[quaint thunder]

Man really not thrilled with Slam being so prominent in the notes :/ Was really hoping it'd be all about mortal strike

[dim basalt]

Slam will most likely only be really good as Col

Also they definitely had to do something about it because on live servers Slam feels incredibly bad

Assumptions are that col will be MS + Slam while Slayer is more about OP + Exe

[fossil thistle]

Honestly would be cool if they just merged some of OP into slam and made OP just a reactive off GCD button

But then we’d be good

[soft viper]

anyone else love when the bleeds out do mortal strike?
got my first 14 done last night 😄

[keen night]

hey sorry new to arms this expac, in m+ for colo should I not be using demolish unless csmash is up? like, hold it?

in Single Target*

[slow saddle]

No and yes

If close hold

Of not send

[halcyon valve]

Fuck it, send it whenever you feel like it

[forest perch]

Thats the funnest way to play!

[high field]

buff warrior

[last saddle]

reactive off gcd so fun i hate heroic strike avoiding capped range

[lofty pulsar]

ok so dumb question

on warcraftlogs

how do i compare parses with not just arms warr but fury warrs included

[slow saddle]

U dont, just sadness

[lofty pulsar]

damn

no i mean even if i want to be sad and depressed cause fury is too good

is there a way

[slow saddle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/44?boss=3131&class=Warrior

Dno how else to compare

[summer elbow]

So there is no way to play arms slayer for good execute on m+?

[stable fiber]

there isnt really a way to do good execute in m+ as arms without sacrificing too much

[minor gust]

You can play slayer Jugg build but it's not gonna be super good or anything

[fossil thistle]

You don’t gain time on killing a boss faster 35-0% when you lose 3-5m dps on every trash pull

Imo

Esp if you’re only picking up ~1m boss dps?

[potent ledge]

What is the biggest difference between slayer and colossus in terms of damage? Like is slayer better ST/cleave and colossus AoE/burst St for example 😄

[minor gust]

I mean you just said it. Slayer will do more ST colossus more aoe

[devout pewter]

also, you're bigger as colossus, which alone is 20% more dps

[desert timber]

is arms good for +11 delve, low keys 2-4 and open world? dps viable ?

[stable fiber]

its good but id say fury is just better in every way

fury is tankier, heals more, has a much easier way doing aoe in delves and open world content

you could definitely play it and be fine

[devout pewter]

you're absolutely fine with arms in +11, might just have a bit higher learning curve than fury

[lofty pulsar]

dumb question, the bis tier list. is it only for min max people/end game? or would heroic bis piece be better than heroic non bis piece for sure

like salhadaars folly for example is a huge mastery stick

[sleek crow]

Is there gonna be balancing in 11.2.5?

[last saddle]

but usually higher ilvl > good stats

except for ring/neck

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[minor gust]

Go play Legion Remix mate

[shadow ibex]

arms executing bosses in the raid up in the sky

[warped ether]

I hope they don’t do the same shit they did in mop remix

Where they nerfed everything every single day

I swear I have a screenshot somewhere of them doing something

Reverting the change

Rhein Doing it again

[rare kite]