should i try learning arms as a new to warrior person or should i just skip to fury?
#arms
ionic tendon
lofty pulsar
should i try learning arms as a new to warrior person or should i just skip to f...
Fury is easier and way better in all phases rn
ionic tendon
arms just looked like fun, more realistic
lofty pulsar
You press like 5 buttons tops rotationally. And that’s stretching it
Bro I keep stealing your builds etc. I’m interested as to why you don’t run interlopers boots
odd oasis
Bro I keep stealing your builds etc. I’m interested as to why you don’t run inte...
BECAUSE I STILL HAVENT GOTTEN IT
lofty pulsar
Feels bad
odd oasis
those boots and antenna would be like 5% increase
lofty pulsar
I’m braindead so I took myth devoted plate boots then hero interloper boots the next week lmao
odd oasis
ran a normal raid and 3 plate boots dropped off soul hunter, and i rolled a 95 on high 70's on other 2 and didnt win any of them
last saddle
ran a normal raid and 3 plate boots dropped off soul hunter, and i rolled a 95 o...
I haven’t gotten them yet either but that means I’m now highest prio on them for M soulhunters reclear
odd oasis
we just got to mythic araz, so hopefully next week we on soul hunters
vast surge
Guys should we get our hopes up that blizzard will give arms warrior the update it needs?
I play both arms and frost dk in m+ and the effort I have to put in vs frost is so noticeable.
I’m not saying frost needs to be more complex or nerfed but man it is so easy to gimp your damage with how you use your CDs when playing arms.
vast surge
I’m braindead so I took myth devoted plate boots then hero interloper boots the ...
Isn’t hero interloper less damage than myth plate boots? I did a sim and it was like 0.7% behind crafted boots with myth interlopers only being about 0.1% ahead in my 8 target sim.
slow saddle
Gj man, but also shows how.bad arms is
slow saddle
I still its not just numbers more fury slayer is more fun
vast surge
Demolish continues to still be ass to play around.
Hate being rooted
I still can’t do fury, I tried a few times this season but my hands get so tired I’m like this isn’t worth it.
slow saddle
Play powerfull
And fury isnt faster
Also demo is 100% not the issue
The least of col issues
bleak fog
It feels faster/more spamy for sure
bleak fog
Well it’s just ww 1 2 3 4 rise and repeat 🙂
slow saddle
From a 40 y old gamer
slow saddle
Not gonna disagree
bleak fog
But then again, I have played a lot more arms last seasons
slow saddle
But main issue is ppl havin poor layouts
If finger pain
Coz my hands are big and fucked in gen
vast surge
I’m a 40 year old gamer myself with psoriatic arthritis, fury gets a bit much for me.
Obviously demolish is a superficial issue, the root being an inconvenience more than anything.
Stuff like sweeping strikes window being longer than merciless bonegrinder so collateral damage procs outside of your amp window is butts, unless you use a cancel aura macro.
Your damage amp being tied to a debuff on targets vs increasing your strength means if you play in pugs your damage output can be gimped by inconsistent pulls.
Same with your big bleed thunderous roar. Gimped if you send it at the “wrong” time.
Having to choose between ST and AoE unlike other specs. Lack of desirable group utility.
CDR based on maximising uptime in anger management (which I don’t hate but obviously our cds always desync)
That’s just to name a few issues.
Juggernaut being cool in theory but ass in reality
Fatality not scaling properly
slow saddle
Juggernaut in raid
Fury gets a million procd
We get many
And m+ its the whole cdr fuckery
And amps outside amps
Never fun
vast surge
I wish they would just give us fury’s ashen juggernaut. I’d rather that. 5 stacks is so much easier to maintain than what we have to deal with now.
Also imo dreadnought should be baked into overpower and should be affected by modifiers that amp overpower’s damage. But that’s just wishful thinking on my part.
vast surge
It’s literally called overpower
vast surge
Not underpowered
vast surge
I joke, I just think giving it dreadnought inherently gives them an opportunity to put something else as a choice node with strength of arms
As far as damage goes they can always tune the numbers, instead of some flat % of AP it’s some % of OPs damage it can be tweaked by overpower related talents
I remain a passionate enjoyer of arms despite it’s flaws
slow saddle
Im playin fury slayer
It just flows so much better
Aint even close
When i try arms i get depression in raid
vast surge
When i try arms i get depression in raid
Big MS crits keep me sane. But in raid I’m Frost DK baby!
slow saddle
Fdk is arms as it should be
vast surge
And no I’m not FOTM reroller. I’ve actually played DK longer than warrior
slow saddle
I play some as well, prob.only reason i can pmay fury
My alt every tier is dk
Fdk when 2h is best if not ug
Uh
I dont play dw
vast surge
Can you imagine on the FDK discord one guy was like “there’s not enough friction in the spec now” the most wow brained take.
slow saddle
😅
Fdk is simple easy, but punishes if u press bad in cds
Breath is some intuitive 2 use
Esp as db
vast surge
Yeah, the mastery is in getting bonegrinder stacked quick and knowing when to send and when to hold.
Plus like ret the mastery is also using the rest of the kit like grips etc
Idm DW frost but 2h is king always
slow saddle
Yeah, the mastery is in getting bonegrinder stacked quick and knowing when to se...
Dw is just noy my arthas fantasy😅
fossil root
In couple of years blizz will copy a feature from ESO. Skill skins in eshop.
Enjoy your “light-infused” bladestom.
Or void warbreaker.
But not both at the same time - because of reasons.
vast surge
Dw is just noy my arthas fantasy😅
vast surge
void mortal strike lets go
weak rain
https://tenor.com/view/thats-nasty-i-mean-its-nasty-gif-15245681
Look at Salhadaar abilities, void MS, WB would go hard
sharp wyvern
Magic warrior
ret paladin ?
vast surge
Death knight
Like, don’t get me wrong a void themed plate wearing behemoth sounds cool
But let it be its own class
sharp wyvern
hero talent void warrior
vast surge
I respectfully disagree
slow saddle
Add void arms alone
sharp wyvern
it makes avatar purple and reduces your size by 5%
slow saddle
Slayer arms sucks
slow saddle
it makes avatar purple and reduces your size by 5%
Make it 7.5
weak rain
Void elf is the best warrior race, coincidence?
vast surge
Avatar turns you into a faceless one?
weak rain
Avatar turns you into a faceless one?
No, just makes you purple
vast surge
That’s tacky
sharp wyvern
thats what hero talents are tho
weak rain
Void warrior spec replaces your colossus/warbreaker with staerbreaker ability(Literally Salhadaar ability)
vast surge
I suspect if anyone is getting a void themed spec it’s paladins
sharp wyvern
i think its demon hunters
fresh spire
Warrior healing spec confirmed: Demolish has been renamed to remolish
slow saddle
Abolish?
weak rain
There is void elf paladin npc in telogrus and she is also in karesh now, which is funny
slow saddle
We abolish dmg
weak rain
like how the fuck
sharp wyvern
same way undead can be holy priests
vast surge
Warrior healing spec confirmed: Demolish has been renamed to remolish
Construct?
Renovate can be our HoT
We’re a builder/spender spec after all 😏
untold pewter
Yep
shadow ibex
Waiting on arms buffs so I can take it to the saladbar
olive nest
glacial rapids
wide needle
I'm gearing mine up now as an alt since I've hit a bit of a wall on the mage pugging
Is the gap with fury rly so high
vast surge
The cool thing about being an arms warrior is only needing one big sword to get the job done and not over compensating by using 2 of them.
spiral coral
vocal bolt
why do most arms take Warlords torment (recklessness) over Blademasters Torment (SS & cleave cd)
in mythic plus
but most sims are telling me BT but i find the dmg is better with WT
is it cause id rather buff my cleave before i use it so theres no point in the reduced cd?
finite grotto
Prob cause of crit on demo
vast surge
but most sims are telling me BT but i find the dmg is better with WT
I believe Warlords gives you better single target damage and blademasters gives you better aoe. I think the thought process is we have a lot of aoe already so we improve our ST a little bit more.
Since typically our aoe build already sacrifices plenty of ST
shadow ibex
Both are equally dog
Real answer
One let's me turn my brain off even more as colossus aoe and bring cleave cooldown to the gcd
Therefore its best 
lofty pulsar
One let's me turn my brain off even more as colossus aoe and bring cleave cooldo...
honestly bis mindset lol. pressing cleave or demolish feels good. pressing overpower and execute makes me want to toaster bath.
devout pewter
I just want not dog shit cleave resets. Every time I get into a huge pull, pull every cooldown perfectly, i just sit there and get zero cleave resets and just spam slam because OP isn't resetting either.
Just feels ass.
So yeah, cleave lower cd it is 100%
lofty pulsar
no matter how much we invest into single target its still dogshit
might as well go in praying a tank pulls daddymode
vast helm
devout pewter
Arms is awesome, but has so many little things not quite as good as they should be that it just adds up
hexed saddle
im like pretty sure there isnt a single thing about current arms that legion or prior didnt just do better
definitely a low point
devout pewter
Its not awesome
Subjective I guess. I'm having quite a lot of fun with colossus in m+, beating many other meta classes more often than not... but in my guild groups I just get behind and crawl.
It's fine. Just needs a few many things fixed to really flow better and make good dps.
minor gust
Indeed its all subjective. A lot of the old heads just miss the legion version. Which I don't blame em after playing it on a private server
dim basalt
"few many things fixed" aka a complete rework
Because Arms does not go into any direction really
Just a jack of all trades with bad dps
minor gust
Bad dps is just tuning
dim basalt
Yeah but even if it had better numbers Arms would still be kinda meh
minor gust
Not disagreeing there
dim basalt
rng fiesta with the flattest dps profile imaginable in raid
minor gust
Slayer has got to be the most boring version of arms to exist
And it's the goto raid spec all expansion
pearl wind
my sustain aoe is pretty thick
minor gust
Slayer fury is 0 burst but omega high sustain which is good for high keys
dim basalt
Thats my point, you want either thing
minor gust
Arms doesn't have that same oomph in slayer cuz bad tuning
dim basalt
Either giga stupid burst or really good sustained damage
Or really good funnel
Funnel / prio is usually the most important part in M+ at some point
minor gust
It's ok 5 more days guys
dim basalt
copium
minor gust
Till we get to see if arms is fucked or not
hexed saddle
Arms doesn't have that same oomph in slayer cuz bad tuning
not really bad tuning, the kit just does different things
shadow ibex
Nah arms is kit is fucked
slow saddle
Col just needs a lot of st
hexed saddle
if arms could reliably hit 5 targets it would be as good as fury
shadow ibex
Even if we had good numbers it cannot do fights
Like even if we had a buff, saladbar still bad design
slow saddle
Col in raid would be great?
shadow ibex
Even if we had a buff, dimmy still leans fury
minor gust
not really bad tuning, the kit just does different things
Probably right
shadow ibex
If yoh wanna be technical all arms needs is to get cleave
That isnt enough though
Vs fury needing x2 points
minor gust
Even if we had good numbers it cannot do fights
That's my problem with arms tree like what are you gonna do for those fights pick up cleave lol
Same with any end fight that had add portions
shadow ibex
That's what I mean its past numbers
minor gust
What is arms supposed to do
shadow ibex
Our kit is fundamentally flawed
minor gust
Yup
dim basalt
Arms aoe design sucks yeah
shadow ibex
Like holy fuck sweeping
slow saddle
Collosus arms rly isnt
shadow ibex
I got reangry at jt
slow saddle
Just bad numbers
hexed saddle
Arms aoe design sucks yeah
tbf i think fury aoe design also sucks
minor gust
Any fight with adds as arms your just sitting there in full ST going guys my bladestorm might do something here
shadow ibex
The average heroic raiding warrior probably uses sweeping how many times a tier?
dim basalt
tbf i think fury aoe design also sucks
Yeah 20% of globals spent on being able to do aoe is pretty bad too
But so is only having SS + cleave for aoe situations
shadow ibex
Yeah 20% of globals spent on being able to do aoe is pretty bad too
They just threw numbers at it
minor gust
Fan of longswords to save fury
hexed saddle
i think any spec having near zero opportunity cost for full aoe is dumb
dim basalt
With vanilla cleave doing bad damage
And having a cd
Under these circumstances youd expect the spec to be tuned to just fuck in ST
shadow ibex
Its ok to spend 20% globals on aoe for current fury imo
Dmg wise. Playstyle, im sick of it tbh
Been doing aoe this way as fury for what?
10 years?
Its been meatcleaver since like wod right
hexed saddle
i think u could accumulate 4 stacks if i remember correctly
4 attack MC existed in bfa as a talent
and got used on like
shadow ibex
Im like 99% sure Mc before SL was your ww has a chance to enrage
shadow ibex
Bfa was 2 then
hexed saddle
yeah
shadow ibex
I remember cuz I made a post asking for meatcleaver to change to 4 attacks cuz it wss invasive on ptr
hexed saddle
yeah idk dps warrior just needs anything that wasnt designed in vanilla
shadow ibex
Can you believe we used to deal with WW every 3 globals?
hexed saddle
getting ridicuclous at
devout pewter
How long is it since arms had any meaningful change that isn't hero talents?
shadow ibex
yeah idk dps warrior just needs anything that wasnt designed in vanilla
Agreed
hexed saddle
How long is it since arms had any meaningful change that isn't hero talents?
bfa
same as fury
u can call DF talent trees significant but i dont count them really
devout pewter
Yeh. Was about to say I think BFA was the same as now as a base right?
shadow ibex
We've had the same playstyle
hexed saddle
cause it was just more of the same
devout pewter
I mean the playstyle didnt change with the talent trees so yeah, f that
shadow ibex
MS every 4 globals
Fury at least has BT going to the dumpster in prio
Or rising to the top
We just been MS on cd use OP for a decade
devout pewter
Lets hope for something really meaty for midnight then..
Yeah
Nothing too bad about it, just make the time between ms be a way to really beef up ms strategically and it's getting good
devout pewter
Thats at least a way to not get disappointed haha
grim flume
What’s happening in 5 days?
warped spade
Bladestorm just does zdps now for arms. Weaker than fury's shorter version. And then sweep usually meant arms was cleave king but now some classes just do more passively with 100% uptime
devout pewter
Its like they come up with changes for us and then go: "hey that sounds awesome for <random class>!"
shadow ibex
Honestly the biggest gameplay changes we get tier to tier since df launched
Has been do i need 4 buffs to make MS worth casting
warped spade
Slayer would be fine on saladbar if bladestorm could carry aoe a bit more.. problem is they seem to not like it when things are too bursty.. hence why we have to build 10 slayer stacks to do damage
shadow ibex
Or do I not need 4 buffs
Thats the biggest difference between gameplay between tiers for like 3 years?
slow saddle
Slayer would be fine on saladbar if bladestorm could carry aoe a bit more.. prob...
All these bosses collosus arms would fuck
St just tuned so badly
warped spade
Yeh but colossus gets pretty big funnel. Idk how you buff st without making cleave op
slow saddle
U have demo for add packs good prio // aoe ( if numbers where good )
shadow ibex
Well yea if we had a spec that was literally good at everything
slow saddle
Yeh but colossus gets pretty big funnel. Idk how you buff st without making clea...
Aura nerf while adding ms dmg?
I mean fury?
shadow ibex
If wr had a spec that had great ST and great aoe we would be good yea
warped spade
Aura nerf while adding ms dmg?
But then aoe is going to suffer
slow saddle
So?
minor gust
Bladestorm just does zdps now for arms. Weaker than fury's shorter version. And ...
Now? Bladestorm has been Zdps for years now
shadow ibex
The fact fury is this good is a failure to tune arms as well. We should have a niche
shadow ibex
You shouldn't be looking to fury as a good example. Its good at everything is a problem.
hexed saddle
What’s happening in 5 days?
first public alpha build
slow saddle
Tbh u could just buff ms
shadow ibex
Cuz it just means any spec its shares a class with isnt played
minor gust
The fact fury is this good is a failure to tune arms as well. We should have a n...
Unfort part is our niche should be execute and 2T but ppl always complain about execute niche
slow saddle
Only aoe it will bring is sweeps
warped spade
Idk who said it before but 3target execute for slarms would help
shadow ibex
Unfort part is our niche should be execute and 2T but ppl always complain about ...
Im just saying we cant say if colossus has good aoe and good st our problems be fixed cuz thats a problem right there. Classes should have niches
Specs should I mean
warped spade
And maybe make dreadnaught work with 4p like cleave
slow saddle
Im just saying we cant say if colossus has good aoe and good st our problems be ...
Passable st
shadow ibex
And maybe make dreadnaught work with 4p like cleave
That wouldn't really fix anything
It would make slayer aoe better but finding aoe isnt our problem
minor gust
Im just saying we cant say if colossus has good aoe and good st our problems be ...
Yeah I'm agreeing with you
shadow ibex
We need raid damage on colossus
minor gust
We pray for the long imgur rework in 5 days
slow saddle
I think so as well
minor gust
🙏
warped spade
That wouldn't really fix anything
Would make it playable in m+. I liked it a lot it's just bad
shadow ibex
Yea maybe arms slayer would be a really good m+ spec but I think bigger fish to fry sadly
slow saddle
Classic mt takes 100%
slow saddle
Would make sks easiee to tune
shadow ibex
Move one or two to a spec
odd oasis
why do most arms take Warlords torment (recklessness) over Blademasters Torment ...
It's better single target and AOE, with new tierset, buffing your crit dmg after demolish and the dmg of demolish, if for those 8 seconds all your cleaves and other abilities crit, its alot more burst dmg
minor gust
Delete roar delete spear
shadow ibex
Yea im sick of both
minor gust
Give passive ravager
shadow ibex
Let spear be utility
minor gust
Give passive SS as a choice node option for extended SS
warped spade
Idk i kinda like bleeds and deeper wounds with colossus. Not so much for arms though
shadow ibex
Easy win. Warrior plays always complain about utility
hexed saddle
Delete roar delete spear
i actually had the idea last night to bake spear into roar via choice node (make people pick between crit dam or bleed dam(its literally just current roar vs bote))
warped spade
We just dont have better st/cleave talents to spec into for slarms
minor gust
Can buff spear to last longer and have bigger aoe so it's good utility like vortex for druid
minor gust
i actually had the idea last night to bake spear into roar via choice node (make...
I think that's fine but if they stay roar and spear need proper aoe and ST buffs
slow saddle
Arms roar + wb resets?
minor gust
But I pref if they just get removed
We don't need all these useless cds
Spear can stay if it gets turned into a utility button
slow saddle
So i removed avatar from arms
warped spade
So i removed avatar from arms
And bake size increase into colo
slow saddle
Y
warped spade
Honestly colo should just baseline increase like ava and then ava for colo increases 5%
slow saddle
Avatar is off gcd so tbh idc bout it
warped spade
Flip it so it shows what hero you play
slow saddle
But a capstone for cs
Would be fun
Or wb
Less multipliers for arms
Take sks, it depends on roar-dw-avatar?+ wb? Or and 4p
devout pewter
Capstone point for cs/wb sounds not really fun. It could still have "options" mid tree, like shockwave has.
Now obviously it depends on how they change the class in general.
slow saddle
I mean it would make wb // cs moment a burst moment
Which is kindda awesome
Mby add wb resets
Also deleting juggernaut as a talent would help all warrior builds
devout pewter
That could also happen with current cs/wb, just needs to be tuned that way.
And it would be pretty cool to have like every 30s an insane burst moment with huge MS/cleave hits..yeah
shadow ibex
Idc what has to go but something does
Avatar roar spear i cant have 3 90 second cooldowns
Kill 2
slow saddle
That could also happen with current cs/wb, just needs to be tuned that way.
And...
So what im saying is we need to add somethin in tree when removing avatar roar + spear
And tbh cba those like
astral yarrow
make avatar do something interesting cause it does basically nothing atm
slow saddle
Fdk gets breath 1.5m and 45sec pillar feels great
Im saying give it to prot
Let fury have reck
fresh spire
give avatar to prot
slow saddle
Arms can do something fucky with wb/ cs?
fresh spire
make CS insane with some means to changing it up, give reck to fury, each have their own insane one
slow saddle
Delete am from arms
fresh spire
Removing cdr through means of spending rage 
Adding CDR in through pushing buttons we want to push
like slayer->mfe for bs
shadow ibex
They shot themselves in the foot tho
They tied a hero spec to avatar
Because brilliant people at blizzard decided to design a hero spec around an ability avaliable to the entire class
shadow ibex
They haven't got a history of walking back on their ideas with this class
slow saddle
True
shadow ibex
They have stuck to their guns on just about everything concerning it
From target caps to jugg
slow saddle
Warrior works ':: quote blizzard ::
fresh spire
i dont think there is many situations where previous expansions didn't do something better with arms
fresh spire
AA was good as it added CC that wasn't godly overbloated
fresh spire
i am still hoping arms gets the speed up on bladestorm Archi has been nagging for
slow saddle
Jep
fresh spire
it either needs to do wayyyyyyy more damage or have the same fast channel
fresh spire
i think we will get a new jug
Judging by the overall negitivity around jug and jug gaming in encounters making it less stacks, more powerful per stack and harder to maintain so that it can really only be stacked during execute windows will solve most it's issues
if condemn does make a return it will also be a very powerful burst mechanic for arms in lust on pulls
fresh spire
it's what was requested before we had S3 tier bonus, which -did- for the most part completely fix fury issue with execute while -lightly- bandaiding jug rn in arms (even though it still falls off you do on average ramp it much higher most times)
Spear needs to move up the tree with damage removed as actual CC
fresh spire
won't solve its issues in keys if execute was just the main power house of arms again
🙏 passive 3 target sweep for ms/execute pls
fresh spire
give collossus even bigger resets while making sudden death a monster in slayer (through reap procing from SD)
fresh spire
Tbh give back demo stacks from exe
Rather they did something to make the reset of the kit a little more exciting than execute
colossus feels good not being held back by execute
slow saddle
What if...
fresh spire
it just lacks any sort of rotational shift up like opportunist brings
slow saddle
Demo threw down wb
fresh spire
Demo threw down wb
requested
fresh spire
pretty sure archi mentioned it in his wowhead wishlist before S3
slow saddle
I mean baked into 100%
fresh spire
so you would just use demolish on cd regardless of CS
slow saddle
Yes!
fresh spire
Protection warrior unironically with all the new talents it got recently has some potential to inspire some arms changes
3 target execute is actually really strong and good
bosses like demon hunters it really gets to pop off
now imagine every sudden death you did with 3 mfe just hits 3 targets for big dam
and maybe even reaps
hexed saddle
i dont get this campaign of "remove modifiers"
that would be so horrifically boring
fresh spire
The fury change to reap is a really good change but it kinda leaves more things to be desired from arms, as much as cleave was completely dominant before the hotfix for reap damage it's sorta crushed arms one
slow saddle
i dont get this campaign of "remove modifiers"
Disagree
fresh spire
i dont get this campaign of "remove modifiers"
more about removing cooldowns in a spec where shit is just horrible with line ups
hexed saddle
sure thats fine
fresh spire
Avatar and CS are almost the same button, just one has more amp the other has longer duration
hexed saddle
but ive seen people saying shit like "arms has too many things that modify other abilities!"
and its like
yeah
fresh spire
we need to keep MP/EP
hexed saddle
thats what makes shit worth pressing
fresh spire
or the bread and button of not spamming one button vanishes
hexed saddle
its what made legion arms fun
fresh spire
remove ep, never press MS in execute again, sounds like a good idea (if you are the enjoyer of pressing manual rend)
odd oasis
I don't understand this argument that "cooldowns don't line up" the only time thats an issue is pure single target colossus, every other instance you farm back your cds so fast they can line up prtty well
fresh spire
But that's also the other end of the issue, we get our cooldowns back so often that they have to actually balance the spec around having them so much, when that happens our cooldowns end up becoming incredibly weak like they already are
slow saddle
Col
hexed saddle
yeah AM kinda cringe in that regard
fresh spire
fury has 3 cooldowns and it does almost nothing for it's damage profile
odd oasis
WB and demolish come back super fast and in slayer bs comes back fast
hexed saddle
should just be static cdr
odd oasis
no AM is awesome
slow saddle
No cdr
odd oasis
you can always just send your cooldowns
hexed saddle
AM is the reason why warrior CD's have been shit for 8 years
odd oasis
if I could only warbreaker demolish once a pack and not 3 times that would feel awful
slow saddle
Am only covers cs
fresh spire
you know whats awesome
being taken to progress because your class actually has a use other than i do 5m damage from 0:00 to 10:00
slow saddle
Big fuckin burst
minor gust
CDR gameplay is bis if your cds actually do something for your kit and not just dmg
fresh spire
CDR gameplay is bis if your cds actually do something for your kit and not just ...
realest real
i love my 2 cooldowns giving me 50% flat damage
and 10/20% haste
hexed saddle
CDR gameplay is bis if your cds actually do something for your kit and not just ...
even in that case (fury) it just sucks because the cds still dont do anything
hexed saddle
even if it feels like they do
odd oasis
you want one cooldown that gives dmg, defense, resets all in one?
hexed saddle
no i want a cooldown that actually does one of those things well
which currently doesnt exist for our class
hexed saddle
have u looked at arms damage profile
fresh spire
hexed saddle
50% damage increase so big woa
fresh spire
nice until you consider bosses have damage amps where every class with a button just deleted your sorry ass from existance
odd oasis
woah comparing to the strongest overtuned spec rn
hexed saddle
woah comparing to the strongest overtuned spec rn
its not tho
boreal quartz
avatar plus warbreaker is 50% dmg increase
critting ur MS is more than ur cds
fresh spire
DK isn't overtuned
hexed saddle
bm and mm are way more egregious
boreal quartz
poggiewoggie
fresh spire
its the damage amps on bosses allowing them to be "overtuned"
odd oasis
slayer is pretty bad in amps, but colossus is strong in amps
odd oasis
IDK i do m+ alot more than raid
fresh spire
odd oasis
so theres so many bosses and pulls which are great for colossus
fresh spire
Dunno, arms looking fire for nexus king
if only it actually did damage in its cooldowns
thick kelp
m+ main = irrelevant opinion, im sorry
minor gust
even in that case (fury) it just sucks because the cds still dont do anything
I understand you. I don't mind the spot reck is in for fury and AM cuz high reck uptime means high rage gain which is fun to me on fury. Fury just needs a really good static CD. The main CD doesn't need to be just reci
thick kelp
Fake gamemode where nothing matters
slow saddle
so theres so many bosses and pulls which are great for colossus
If col didnt suck in st
minor gust
If RA was actually good and meaningful choice with AM fury is big chillin
odd oasis
yeah its pure single target is pretty bad, but I dont know how you expect every hero talent spec to be good at every scenario is unrealistic
hexed saddle
theres a lot more they would need to change for me to say fury is big chillin
hexed saddle
yeah its pure single target is pretty bad, but I dont know how you expect every ...
dark ranger
boreal quartz
m+ main = irrelevant opinion, im sorry
double u
fresh spire
they need to further push RA agenda, make it a giga powerful button for bosses like nexus/dem where that 20 second damage window and hard throughput matter
hexed saddle
they are obsessed with "empowered" abilities
and RA will continue to be shit as long as those are a thing
slow saddle
yeah its pure single target is pretty bad, but I dont know how you expect every ...
Its aoe is ok
Buff ms 20%
Aoe isnt insane
odd oasis
I beat most in AOE, the most frustrating part of aoe is thunderclap only applying rend to 5 and sweeping strikes is played around more
slow saddle
U need uh lvls of Aoe to compensate for bad st
slow saddle
I beat most in AOE, the most frustrating part of aoe is thunderclap only applyin...
Most bad players
odd oasis
nah just dont be bad at arms
slow saddle
M8
odd oasis
only rarely a really good frost or bm hunter
slow saddle
U arent beatin fdk // hunter // havoc
fresh spire
and RA will continue to be shit as long as those are a thing
revert the bleed nerf they did after making bloodbath disgusting op
odd oasis
I am tho
slow saddle
Ret prob
odd oasis
in like 90% of my keys
slow saddle
M8 im winnin 90% as well on fury
Doesnt mean im good
Problem is ppl are mediocre at class
hexed saddle
revert the bleed nerf they did after making bloodbath disgusting op
i still think thats shit
slow saddle
Lets say arms and fury arms did 9.5m fury 8.5m which 1 msde key go faster?
hexed saddle
any version of that ability that disinscenivizes pressing ramp is bad
fresh spire
empower rampage too
slow saddle
Agreed
fresh spire
rampage should always be the most powerful button for both thane and slayer
hexed saddle
generally agreed
i think execute should be the "most powerful" but with limited use
or more limited use
slow saddle
Remove from fury
hexed saddle
wrong
quasi torrent
?
fresh spire
i think execute should be the "most powerful" but with limited use
just need to make execute in execute for fury stronger while keeping it simular to how it plays now outside of sub 35
slow saddle
So id rather remove that psrt
quasi torrent
legion fury has entered the chat
fresh spire
give execute something like that Vicious contempt
hexed saddle
if ur gonna be condescending you have to be right
quasi torrent
!!!!
slow saddle
I am right?
hexed saddle
you arent
fresh spire
99 stack execute?! holy
slow saddle
U cant have it all
fresh spire
going from last to first over the execute window
quasi torrent
99 stack execute?! holy
the video irreparably ruined warrior since legion
fucking hate the video
slow saddle
Same
hexed saddle
yeah its bad
fresh spire
it kinda goes hard but damn it goes hard for the wrong reasons
as its just showing the major flaw with execute in legion yet its being praised as goated gameplay
slow saddle
Also u cant have great st // aoe // burst // flat dmg // execute
fresh spire
Bruh, i miss WW in fury with the belt and wrecking ball ACTUALLY doing big damage
hexed saddle
i dont want flat damage
fresh spire
slow saddle
Wrong class then
fresh spire
i love how fury for the last like 3 expansions has just been getting flatter and flatter
quasi torrent
i love how fury for the last like 3 expansions has just been getting flatter and...
it was spiky in ansurek tier
fresh spire
arms has become a little flatter this expansion with SD being stronger before 35%
quasi torrent
then doing dmg to fucking useless shit adds got it flattened
fresh spire
it was spiky in ansurek tier
before it was gunned down
quasi torrent
genuinely trash design
hexed saddle
pretty wacky how horribly mismanaged warrior has been for years
fresh spire
it has been left to rot in comparison to other classes for sure
devout pewter
don't worry, it's all critcake's fault anyways
fresh spire
don't worry, it's all critcake's fault anyways
always has been
slow saddle
No roar no avatar make OF fuck
minor gust
_the video_ irreparably ruined warrior since legion
The funny part is that vid fucked over arms because everyone thinks it's an arms warrior but the vid was fury
slow saddle
Yes they do
hexed saddle
no one thinks its arms?
there are actually new gens that think its arms
quasi torrent
no one who thinks this should be allowed to speak
devout pewter
If I think of the same video, noone thinks it's arms, definitly fury
quasi torrent
there are actually new gens that think its arms
don't call me old xantager
devout pewter
iirc the dmg meter even shows the fury icon right?
quasi torrent
warrior is cooked
minor gust
Happened all the time
quasi torrent
come back next decade
lofty pulsar
so
slow saddle
I also think let fury have bladestorm and arms rav
lofty pulsar
the higher keys i go the more ascendance outscales dawnthread right? or are they both crap no matter what key im in
minor gust
Both are shit don't worry swap to double dawn/dusk when you can
lofty pulsar
already did that
slow saddle
Dawn if u have.723 weap?
minor gust
But not important
minor gust
Embellishments got left behind hard. Don't over think it. Put two on and call it a day
devout pewter
I also think let fury have bladestorm and arms rav
I'd rather say let Prot have Ravager and DPS speccs Bladestorm
But I honestly think, Rav was a mistake
devout pewter
It's a passive you throw and forget
slow saddle
Bladestorm does nuttin
slow saddle
Nah u feel rav
devout pewter
lol no, you really dont
minor gust
Rav is just a rage generator and a vehicle for Ms casts
devout pewter
^this
finite grotto
I like that
minor gust
That works too
slow saddle
U wb and increase burst windows
devout pewter
realistically, ava won't be going anywhere for any warrior specc
slow saddle
Ofc in execute it would.mean never ms
slow saddle
Almost never
slow saddle
arms should never not press ms or focus on ms in any way in my opinion
?
So ms should just exist?
devout pewter
What?
slow saddle
U said never focus or not press
devout pewter
What I mean is that there should never be a point in Arms' rotation where Mortal Strike becomes obsolote
slow saddle
I mean thats. Up to tuning
But in case of rav, its 3 ms. So either ms stronger than multipliers always pushed
devout pewter
really isn't, it's up to general design of the class. If they force us down the Shadowlands execute route, MS will become less important again. Which is just simply bad in my opinion
slow saddle
Or u like that execute changes prio
devout pewter
Buffing MS with execute is kind of the design that's acceptable, but just removing MS in order for Execute to take the place of MS, it's just bad
slow saddle
I mean it isnt?
devout pewter
That way, either of these two could just not exist and it'd be the same. Both have to be there to be special
candid pecan
I was bored so I decided to do a +14 Hoa weekly as arms
never again, the ST is atrocious
hot current
i started doing more
dps on my alt frost dk who is like 20 ilvl lower with bad secondary stats
finite grotto
Yup
dire hinge
shadow ibex
i wont comment further or ill incriminate myself
What are you implying
I want to know anda
I have my own theories
sage badge
Arms will own in Midnight
trim lintel
it will owns the bench like this season
void bay
it will owns the bench like this season
dim basalt
🙏
rare kite
I gave up stormforged so Arms can become bis next expansion.
surely insane rework inc
hexed saddle
like 10 years of saved up SF power
obtuse lynx
I've been starting to play arms a bit more lately. It doesnt seem that bad to me so far. Defensives and survivability are a bit low compared to other classes, but the kit is pretty fun.
dim basalt
I've been starting to play arms a bit more lately. It doesnt seem that bad to me...
War is one of the tankier classes out there wdym
obtuse lynx
I dont have a ton of defensive buttons and self heals compared to something like mage or druid or evoker
obtuse lynx
But they have buttons they can hit to help survive
Arms does in general have a ton of armor and passive healing
dim basalt
You can pop def stance anytime you want for free 10%
Spell reflect only has a 25s cd (= 20% magic dr)
obtuse lynx
I honestly never thought about defensive stance
dim basalt
and impending victory heals a lot for its low cd
- col has another I believe 5% passive
obtuse lynx
Ok, those are all good points. I guess it felt like fewer buttons overall but there's more than I realized
Damage seems decent to me though. Why is it performing so poorly this season?
spiral coral
I've been starting to play arms a bit more lately. It doesnt seem that bad to me...
Don’t listen to us it’s super fun we’re just jaded
dim basalt
Multiple seasons of Arms can do bad things to your mental health
I enjoyed the 2-3 weeks before 11.2 tho ngl
spiral coral
All for the last season to have fury as a fotm and your tuning be terrible
dim basalt
shadow ibex
Multiple seasons of Arms can do bad things to your mental health
trap me in a time chamber thats just queen court kills
the rest of this expac has been caca
dim basalt
haha
obtuse lynx
Ive been playing more melee since i think its more fun than ranged, and I think arms is more fun than assassination rogue, feral druid, and fury warrior. So far at least
dim basalt
Honestly even tho arms is so stale in raid I do kinda miss it
Rerolled to WW for the season and I feel burned out
Also doesnt help Im not nearly as good on WW as I am on Arms
Only parsing like 85-93 on WW whereas I almost always had 97+ on Arms even on first kills
spiral coral
Ive been playing more melee since i think its more fun than ranged, and I think ...
Surprised you aren’t playing fury
spiral coral
Rerolled to WW for the season and I feel burned out
Rerolled into mage and I’m having a blast
dim basalt
I was going to take a break from raiding but I have to tank nexus king because one of our MTs will be gone for 3 weeks soon 
shadow ibex
i was trying to find an alt to play but just went with other games
was gonna try WW and looted hero warbound antenna from kill this week
dim basalt
WW is in such a weird spot rn
Shado Pan is kinda stale like Arms, conduit is really hectic and has to play SW
If it wasnt for SW I would like Conduit probably
That hero tree is straight up not playable if you dont have a really good ping
dim basalt
Yeah that shit is also bugged
shadow ibex
putting my perfomance in hands of blizzard pet AI
shadow ibex
shit i refuse to do in any mmo really is play a pet class cuz that alone
dim basalt
But padding bosses are fun
shadow ibex
feel like i would hate conduit
you have to channel it?
yea no fuck that
only like lvl45 rn
dim basalt
Idk thats not too bad imo
At least you have super fast FoF's
You will learn to hate Slicing Wind
lofty pulsar
running slayer in my 14 DB wish me luck lmao
fuck me man i thought hunter was op
guy did 5 mill damage through first boss
languid junco
is this the worst 4pc on game right now? or am I crazy
misty bridge
The latter
rare kite
is this the worst 4pc on game right now? or am I crazy
you're crazy. the rend/deep wound part is pretty strong
languid junco
you're crazy. the rend/deep wound part is pretty strong
maybe, but still. not a big part of our damage and it doesnt play on our rotation
void anchor
I heard somewhere fury only gets 2 pc for pvp. Is it the same for arms or do I want the 4pc?
minor gust
maybe, but still. not a big part of our damage and it doesnt play on our rotatio...
Bleeds totally weak cluegi deluxe
warped ether
maybe, but still. not a big part of our damage and it doesnt play on our rotatio...
In higher keys where mobs survive a while deepwounds will sometimes to as much as ms
weak wave
Shouldn't crit be the best stat for Colossus by far as it does not only increases dmg but also reduces Demolish CD?
pearl nymph
hate that they removed execute reduce the cd on demolish
dim basalt
Shouldn't crit be the best stat for Colossus by far as it does not only increase...
Yeah and it is?
Together with mastery
bronze wharf
kind of depends on the gear ig?
i have much more haste than crit (5k rating diff) and it still sims better in a lot of cases
grave mulch
it will come a time for arms ( If playing slayer) crit will become wayyyyy less valuable and mastery and vers look very nice
i have alot of haste like 25k?
bronze wharf
i suppose we talk about collossus, at least question was reffering to demolish
thick kelp
Colossus does prefer the stats something along the lines of Crit>mastery>=haste>versa
candid pecan
what was that about?? (got deleted). BRO, we're talking about MS and Demolish and stuff here.
weak wave
Yeah and it is?
Well sims tell me not to switch a vers/mastery ring for a crit/haste ring.
dim basalt
Well sims tell me not to switch a vers/mastery ring for a crit/haste ring.
Because you never just stack the two "best stats", thats not how the game works
You dont do that on any spec
weak wave
hmm
dim basalt
Otherwise sims wouldnt exist in the first place
slow saddle
Dang blizzard and their dimishin returns
dim basalt
Not really because of dr but because of how stat scaling works
fossil root
Are you ready to see ARMS changes in 12.0 alpha?
||Skill efficiencies are now capped at 3 targets||
shadow ibex
Sick tuning
weak rain
well, if they let execute cleave 3 targets like prot and execute will fuck, why not?
warped ether
Make juggernut damage increase just like a passive that happens when a mob/boss hits 35%
Or when sd procs
weak rain
It's actually not a terrible idea to make juggernaut passive that just increases dmg of execute(and maybe something else?) the lower target is
like udk talent
mortal niche
halcyon valve
It's actually not a terrible idea to make juggernaut passive that just increases...
Honestly yes do that
Do 0.5% increased dmg for every 1% missing hp on the target
So 25% increase at 50%, and once you get into 35% execute phase it does 32.5% increased damage
vagrant aspen
Till then, press N and accept, the grass is greener 😁
weak rain
no patch note for 4 week ?
Imagine if arms will be missing again in the next patch notes
I think arms has least parses atm and is like lat or second to last on performance in raid
thick kelp
They are
completely reworking arms from ground up for midnight
so they are not touching us
to get as little players as possible
forest perch
I hope the person who's reworking it mains arm and loves it
floral ledge
completely reworking arms from ground up for midnight
real info ?
void bay
real info ?
Arms Guy would never lie about Arms, it's literally in his name
weak rain
completely reworking arms from ground up for midnight
Bladestorm that feels good pls, it's arms iconic ability. Idgaf about avatar, remove it and give other burst option, make execute feel good, also keep angermanagement, I think it's kinda iconic to arms at this point too.
halcyon valve
iconic to arms
passive talent that is available to all 3 warrior specs
But yeah its good
weak rain
>iconic to arms
>passive talent that is available to all 3 warrior specs
Idk, I've always felt that arms is more anger management spec
Fury is more about reckless abandon spec to me(every iteration of it)
weak rain
its overnerfed yes, but still feels good
its way better than static 45 sec cd(I play fdk too for reference)
at least to me
df am was lit
slow saddle
Remove am
Static cds are way better
Blizzard will be able to tune it so it works
Misalignes cds coz u did good is dumb
And with static we can be more bursty
weak rain
No, keep am, rework demolish so it replaces wb, to prevent misalignes
slow saddle
Bladestorm misaligned with cs
shadow ibex
Imagine if arms will be missing again in the next patch notes
Hey we got half global gcd hamstring
fossil root
Give me off gcd sweep
Lmao sweep must be passive
slow saddle
Nah
fossil root
Why do you need an ability to hit more than 1 target with a giant weapon?
fossil root
Coz u change
Cope
slow saddle
I mean, if we want all abilities to sweep
fossil root
Make it stance
slow saddle
Its a limited toggle
fossil root
And Arms a stance dancer
lofty pulsar
in general difference between skullsplitter and strength of arms choice node is like .5% for skullsplitter right
spiral coral
idk I haven’t ran sks since like the first week
No one else was running it (top arms)
teal fossil
top arms are running raging blow
slow saddle
top arms are running raging blow
slow saddle
in general difference between skullsplitter and strength of arms choice node is ...
Depends but sims y
jovial hare
i wish it didnt naturally desync but ye, current aoe feels cozy
jovial hare
target caps in general feel awful
like i guess i get why they're there even tho the reasoning on blizzards part is kinda dent headed
jovial hare
caps on spreading dots n stuff is stupid
like its such a minor thing
but its just like
dude why
jovial hare
different spellids
talents
all sorts of solutions
but blizzard would rather just take the laziest route, it feels like
i know its prob a lot more nuanced than that
slow saddle
Blood is blood not frost
jovial hare
blood shares a lot of it's bigger stuff w/ the whole of dk even tho it has its own rotational stuff
but i get what u mean
jovial hare
heart strike isnt catching a stray nerf bc scourge strike hits hard
slow saddle
This
jovial hare
but they could easily just make prot have it's own rend
and arms have it's own
kinda how survival and bm have different versions of kill command
they're not the same spell internally, different spellids and uses
teal fossil
they already do
jovial hare
ye just lazy
teal fossil
slam does 75% more damage for arms than fury for example
jovial hare
needs to be 135%
teal fossil
5 target on rend?
ya thats cuz prot tcs 10x as often as arms
but a decision made in 10.0 is not affecting balance in 11.2
slow saddle
Tc applies to all my targrts
N O more random shit
I can keep my bleeds up equally in a 10 or a 5 pack
minor gust
something something 4 more days till we find out how fucked arms is
sharp wyvern
tuning for legionn remix
lunar tiger
Quick question, how and when do you use this trinket in m+? Do I wait for 18 stacks and send it on my cds or send it with avatar everytime?
minor gust
Quick question, how and when do you use this trinket in m+? Do I wait for 18 sta...
just send with avatar its a pretty eh trinket for warrior. But that trinket is dynamic use it when you feel like the use case is best. If you wanna wait for 18 stacks and next ava go ahead for a big burst moment because its the hardest moment in the key go for it.
outer forge
Surely we will get many nice changes and perhaps even some group utility added to our kit and a jugg change/removal
last saddle
Quick question, how and when do you use this trinket in m+? Do I wait for 18 sta...
best way to use this trink is to unequip it and put on any trink with passive str
misty bridge
Hopefully they address the CD bloat, juggernaut and sweeping strikes
spiral coral
Hopefully they address the CD bloat, juggernaut and sweeping strikes
Arms piano is good
I like the bloat
spiral coral
That guys a piece of shit
misty bridge
yep
void bay
That guys a piece of shit
Careful or he will go and do a sex on ur mom
minor gust
minor gust
tough pond
wish dreadnaught applied reap the storm like whirlwind raging
balmy kindle
Surely we will get many nice changes and perhaps even some group utility added t...
Inb4 slam as apex talents
outer forge
don't you put that evil on me ricky bobby
candid sleet
So on a scale of one to butt, how fugged is arms these days
outer forge
Butt in raid. Pretty good in m+
rare kite
Inb4 slam as apex talents <:keks:936231610850897992>
i would take that over jugg as apex talents. "juggernaut now stacks to 99 times"
balmy kindle
Please no jugg talents FFS 
I am done watching stacks fall off
median scroll
do you swap to "new" build for arms when you have 2p + 2p?
want to delay playing sks as long as possible
@boreal quartz
halcyon valve
You dont have to use sks at all
And it would only be at 4p because thats when you get the bonus bleed dmg
gray herald
want to delay playing sks as long as possible
noob
gray herald
hahahah
median scroll
And it would only be at 4p because thats when you get the bonus bleed dmg
thx bro 
median scroll
pvp andy 💀
void bay
Idk i have 4 set but dont pve
Same dude, I just do pet battles and collect mounts.
boreal quartz
Well ion pve anymore
Stopped on ansurek, then quit for a tier
Icl pvp gearing is PEAK
2 chars 720+ in a week
boreal quartz
For now it's fun
boreal remnant
https://tenor.com/view/eww-gross-gif-311940871165701383
Me in bfa when I had to get that dog ass r3 BotE power