arms

[slow saddle]

Now cook slayer 2

[smoky kayak]

oh I've already been cooking

[minor gust]

Fan

Of

Longswords

[shadow ibex]

i think expanded hero talent trees could do that

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, I want Fan of Longswords for Slayer real bad

[minor gust]

In your head it casts cleave for arms right?

When talented

[smoky kayak]

na, just WW

casting Cleave would be too op

[minor gust]

That's an F

[slow saddle]

I still say with these small changes arms would work

[minor gust]

It would have to be a choice node then right?

Cuz WW is useless for arms

[slow saddle]

Less clanky more clean

[minor gust]

Like piss

[smoky kayak]

I mean idk, maybe they can give it a damage reduction w/ Cleave or retune things, but remember that even casting WW still casts Fervor and still gains Collateral

[slow saddle]

Delete collateral!

[smoky kayak]

no

[slow saddle]

Yes

I hate the whole cd after cds

[smoky kayak]

there's nothing wrong with Collateral, yall just focus way more on it than you should

[thick kelp]

Makes sweep a passive for arms/Makes sweep hit 2 additional targets for arms

bigsmile

[minor gust]

Disgusting prot gets passive exe cleave before arms

[slow saddle]

Ofc there isnt, but its hoops to jump through for feel good moments

[minor gust]

Big need for next expansion

[slow saddle]

Or well col is fine with less amps

[fresh spire]

just rework colateral so every like 3 cleaves hits harder or some shit

[smoky kayak]

anyway yeah, Fan of Longswords is my #1 request for Slayer in 12.0

• for balancing and gameplay reasons it should probably only be active during CS or only during Avatar, but that's still really good uptime and helps emphasize our cooldowns more

[minor gust]

I think FOL is a lil weak for arms but it's so massive for fury QOL I want it

[smoky kayak]

other big requests are changing Juggernaut, working in some versions of the S3 Slayer tier set

it is a little weaker for Arms, but that's completely fine

[slow saddle]

Idc it can be worse. But 100% expected uptime sux

[smoky kayak]

Slayer execute bonuses are better for Arms than Fury and that's fine too

the benefit of being part of the hero tree is that its all balanced together, so it doesn't really matter if Fan of Longswords specifically is worse for one and better for another

[slow saddle]

If i can only keep jugger up in execute

Im happy

[smoky kayak]

if it were a class or spec talent, then its a little trickier, because you need to account for the opportunity cost - no matter how cool Fan of Longswords is, it has to compete against other talents you could put that point into

Just like Titanic Rage for Fury right now - really cool talent that has good gameplay, but it's absolutely horrible from a performative standpoint, you'd be better off putting the point in practically any other talent instead, even though you want to play with it

[minor gust]

Just revert Storm of Swords and give us FOL

Free big WW casts

[smoky kayak]

That would be the easiest fix for Juggernaut, just make it only apply when the target is below 35%

• though imo its a decidedly more boring version than just limiting Juggernaut duration so that it can trigger >35, but it can only be maintained <35

[slow saddle]

I totally agree

But 15 stacks is 2 much

[smoky kayak]

yeah, I'm a big fan of the 5 stacks for 5-6s idea

[slow saddle]

Stack reduction would rly help

I mean 5-6 prob low 1 mechanoc

Hmm

[smoky kayak]

well the idea is that yes it may fall off, but it will be very quick to stack back up

[slow saddle]

But ye in reality u press execute often

[smoky kayak]

and if it's any longer than 5-6s you're gonna end up chaining it w/ SD

[slow saddle]

So prob a non issueby

[pine drum]

Anyone else feel like Arms has too many buttons?

[smoky kayak]

we had a really cool idea for the SoS cluster

• Move Improved Sweep (duration) to where Storm of Swords is
• replace old Improved Sweep with "Sweeping Strikes hits 1 additional target" still on a shared node w/ Collateral

The result is that you could now talent Collateral + Long Sweep or you could talent Long Sweep + 3 target Sweep, which gives you more options for different encounter types (e.g. council fights)

that gives you options for fights that have a short period of two target (short lived add), fights that have extended 2 target (dreadlords), fights that are three target (soul hunters), and heavy multitarget

[misty bridge]

Archi, sorry for switching the subject, but cooldown bloat. do you have that in your wishlist/suggestions on how to solve that?

[smoky kayak]

make Ravager passive

[thick kelp]

Make CS/reck matter and delete Avatar from the dps specs

[smoky kayak]

I suspect we'll see more specs gain Whirling Blades (Prot's random Ravager proc)
but my favorite idea is to make Ravager automatically drop whenever you use Avatar (or could be CS, but not both)

That still makes it passive, but keeps it controllable, which is IMO better than Prot's random short Ravager proc

[cunning pond]

I like the sweep idea, I've always hated how collat feels, so having 3 targets +extend would be fun

I'd also like the prot talent for ravager on damage

[smoky kayak]

Yeah that's what I was just mentioning above - I think that's the easy solution, since the talent is already built, but we already have a lot of sources of random proc damage, and I'd rather keep control in the hands of the player by tying it to a major CD instead

that also emphasizes the value of those CDs a little more, helping address complaints of weak cooldowns

[slow saddle]

Rav with vs

Cs

Would fuck

From a gameplay perspective

But prob req som tuning ofx

[smoky kayak]

I could go either way

• I like the idea of Rav w/ Avatar because it is a major CD and keeping it on a 90s cycle allows it to be a little more powerful (though it also creates more cross-tree dependency, which is awkward)
• I also like the idea of Rav w/ CS for constant rage gains, but it would obviously be a shorter/weaker Ravager to compensate for happening more often

[candid pecan]

how about 25% bloodborne 1 point for arms

[slow saddle]

Prob yes. A lot of unhinged in execute

Would be 2 good

[minor gust]

Yeah that's pretty good. Was always really dumb when they got moved together as a choice node when Imp SS and collateral go hand and hand together

[candid pecan]

also, will they add the current tier set bonuses to the new hero talent column?

[cunning pond]

I do also like bleed arms builds, I was so excited for the Colo set in ST with skullsplitter, but it's just not good enough

So more bleed talents is fine by me

[smoky kayak]

personally I lean towards keeping Ravager w/ Avatar on a 90s CD, and then reducing Bladestorm down to 1m baseline to match Fury

• when combined with Slayer, that gives you Bladestorm ever 20-30s or Ravager every 90s, which I think is a really good contrast between the two talents
• if you instead had Rav w/ CS, you'd have Bladestorm every 20-30s or Ravager every 20-30s, which is a little too samey IMO
  again though, this is all from my perspective of creating diversity and more gameplay options, not necessarily more equal options

[minor gust]

Tho personally If SS remains half gcd I rather have a passive SS option

On MS and Exe

[slow saddle]

Dno man make rav work with slayer

[smoky kayak]

that's unlikely to happen

[slow saddle]

And yes ss of gcd

I know but i dislike arms bladestorm

[smoky kayak]

SS off GCD isn't even worth mentioning since it should have happened 3 expansions ago

[slow saddle]

Though...thats prob coz of juggernait

[minor gust]

There's so much they can do with arms to either improve it's modern feel or take it in a new direction. All I'm asking for is an ounce of creativity this alpha

[smoky kayak]

I think you'd like it a lot more if it were the Fury version w/ a baseline 1m CD and 4s duration

[slow saddle]

And would make low cd jug hard to keep up

[minor gust]

TWW alpha had no creativity to warrior changes

[slow saddle]

Its more as arms i wanna push execite

[smoky kayak]

TWW alpha was more about heroes than base specs

[minor gust]

Yeah that I understand but SOA being cut in half and SOS change and so on was pretty disappointing

[smoky kayak]

Midnight is going to be diff, because Apex talents are going to introduce a lot of new variables

[fresh spire]

needs to be CS imo so it stays simular to how it is rn

think if its linked to avatar we lose usages compared to now

[cunning pond]

I also personally miss the mega whirlwind with cd from arms, that was so cool

[misty bridge]

You would literally cancelaura bladestorm,

[minor gust]

Yeah I'm hoping the rumors are true and that comes with a mass pruning/simplification of a lot of specs

[smoky kayak]

we would, but it also allows it to be stronger so

[thick kelp]

Warlords

[smoky kayak]

I do think the torment talents could use some iteration

[slow saddle]

Needs fix

The aoe 1 is fine

The other 1 is criminal

[smoky kayak]

Blademaster's has actually become pretty decent, though it's still not my favorite

Warlords is still a good concept but really had its knees cut out from under it

Berserker's is fine and I don't really wanna mess with it

Titan's needs a complete rework

[minor gust]

Warlords torment had all its limbs chopped off

[digital sky]

Is there anything that can replace jastor mythic ring ? i sim everything and its lower

[smoky kayak]

I think the simplest fix for Warlords is cut the rage portion entirely and just extend the duration to cover all of Avatar

• basically making Avatar +20% damage and +20% crit for 20s
  It's not the flashiest talent, but it would be pretty good

[minor gust]

Yeah any ring just replace it. It's not a big deal

[digital sky]

@minor gust why does it sim lower then ?

like even 723 ring is -0.5

[smoky kayak]

a decently itemized 704-710 should be within 0.1-0.3% damage, but also gives ~1.2-1.3% more stamina, which is a worthwhile tradeoff

[dim basalt]

And a normal ring isnt bugged

[minor gust]

Not to mention the potential Jastors bug you can encounter

[smoky kayak]

I never had bug issues, but some players have, yeah

[digital sky]

alright , thanks

[slow saddle]

Agreed

[minor gust]

Ppl really love to obsess with their less than 1% numbers

[thick kelp]

Just get the WA and fix your jastors

dont be lazy

[minor gust]

Just replace Jastors

[thick kelp]

no

:bigsmile

[cunning pond]

I think that would be really fun because it would help things like demolish if you end up with 2 in avatar

[fresh spire]

would make avatar feel like a cd, question is 20% crit for 20 seconds just going to crush cleave on aoe

[smoky kayak]

possibly

you could probably finangle it if you need to

• using Avatar also triggers Recklessness at 70% effectiveness for 20 seconds
  which would be 14% crit instead of 20%, which also might not be the right number but you get the idea

issue is the current 6s buff isn't even long enough to cover CS, much less Avatar, and Arms' damage isn't that concentrated (outside of Demolish, which isn't always available for the first 6s of Avatar w/out delaying one or the other)

[cunning pond]

I do really like how arms is a more sustained spec, I know that's not the best dmg profile, but it's fun

[smoky kayak]

Kinda Warriors as a whole right now, which is fine as long as the tuning is there

[slow saddle]

What?

Fury is 100 sustain

Arms is more burst

[minor gust]

Don't mind me playing warlords Colossus who needs to build demolished stacks on the first pull so my demolish gets no value out of warlords because it doesn't last long enough

[slow saddle]

Facts

[smoky kayak]

exactly why I want the reck buff changed lol

[minor gust]

Plenty of things they can do more in midnight I just hope they do it

[forest perch]

They most likely already finished dev for it and is already on last tit

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/jjkoobies-love-you-boys-last-words-let-go-of-ledge-jump-gif-26209472

going blademaster

let jesus take the wheel

[devout pewter]

Archi for Warrior lead designer

Would you include Bladestorm plus the Avatar Ravager as an active cooldown? Or still as a choice between the two?
I know Bladestorm isn't an exclusive arms thing anymore, but it still feels more at home there and I'm always sad when we rather take Ravager instead...

[dire hinge]

Archi would make pummel effected by enhanced whirlwind

[forest perch]

Bring back heroic strike!

[smoky kayak]

hell no, trying to make yall happy isn't a job I'd wish on my worst enemy

[smoky kayak]

and no, I'd still keep Ravager & Bladestorm as a choice

• I don't think Bladestorm actually adds that much CD bloat. Yes, strictly speaking its an extra keybind the same way Ravager is, but it doesn't fit into the rotation the same way
• because Colossus uses Ravager and Slayer uses Bladestorm, making Ravager passive would also compensate for the extra keybind that Colossus has in Demolish
  The big difference between BS and Ravager is that you're using Ravager to get to something better (Demolish), whereas Bladestorm is the something better

[devout pewter]

but you already do make us happy

[forest perch]

I like the passive ravager idea, why does prot gets the good stuff

[misty bridge]

Archi you think SkS is fine as is?

[smoky kayak]

I dunno, I think it's "fine" but I do think it could be better

• it also contributes to button bloat, and although I kinda like the button and its effects, a lot of players don't so

[devout pewter]

Feel like that's just making Bladestorm just THE better thing, similiar as to how Slayer already does it, would be a way to go then.
But I understand

[misty bridge]

Would you like to see it buffed, made into a passive?

[smoky kayak]

you could

how's this for an idea

• Skullsplitter is now a passive that adds its effects to Execute
  Tune it or place it in the tree somewhere that makes it exclusive w/ Juggernaut or at least less desirable for Slayer
• that would give Colossus more of a reason to care about pressing Execute, without Execute fully taking over the rotation

prob put it where Battlelord or Fatality are? idk

[devout pewter]

I'm playing a bit of warlock and there is a talent for Hellcaller that just buffs your dot on all targets, that could be done with SkS as well I feel like, altough it'd need to be remade with our style.. i.e. the animation be dragonroar or whatever

[misty bridge]

Feels forced 😅 talent into execute as Colossus, I was initially thinking Whenever you activate CS your next MS will cause your bleeds to increase by x%

[devout pewter]

basically the set bonus we're having now baked in? sounds kinda interesting

[smoky kayak]

Sure, I was just thinking back to the previous conversation about Execute not being important for Colossus

[misty bridge]

ah fair enough

[smoky kayak]

Thing about design is that ideas are pretty cheap - practically anyone can come up with a cool idea
the hard part is figuring out how to balance it alongside everything else, particularly when we're talking about Slayer vs Colossus and Arms vs Fury, etc

[fresh spire]

Going from trying to improve to public number 1 enemy when something goes wrong

[smoky kayak]

mhmm

I also like the idea of changing Bloodletting to allow MS crits to add ~4s to Rend duration all the time instead of completely applying/refreshing it sub-35%, with the intent of not requiring you to refresh it manually as often but without turning it completely into a button you just press once per encounter

[fresh spire]

would like it to be consisitant or we get clap execute back

[smoky kayak]

I like the idea of clap execute I just don’t know that it fits either slayer or colossus particularly well

[fresh spire]

could legit add it to slayer tree

[smoky kayak]

It think I’d retheme it as a big cleave instead of a clap, but yeah it could work

Problem is what would fury get in its place?

[fresh spire]

But it has two sides to it.
Colossus has some actual value from sudden death node though execute is still garbage, or they make it a slayer only perk so they can actually focus on aoe while colossus still spams claps anyway because of the value of clap vs execute anyway

[dire hinge]

a bigger whirlwind

[fresh spire]

[dire hinge]

when you press it, it makes even more sounds in a single gcd 📈

[fresh spire]

caching

[smoky kayak]

Haha maybe, but I meant more the rend analogue

[fresh spire]

Tbh, i would love to see 3 target sweep or 3 target execute from prot in arms along side passive ravager for cooldown button bloat reduction

[devout pewter]

Why is this not baked into the 5% size increase of colossus? 5% increase in aoe for everything

i know, balance, but it makes SO much sense!

[smoky kayak]

Maybe that’s the fan of longswords change we need

• Sudden Death triggers Thunder Clap for Arms
• Sudden Death triggers Whirlwind for Fury

Though with how frequently we get Sudden Death, I still think you’d have to limit it to only during either Avatar or CS/Reck; having that all the time would be pretty giga

Rampage/MS feels cleaner but idk, it’s worth a brainstorm

[halcyon valve]

We doing dragonflight s2 again

[fresh spire]

look at it this way, we aren't sending GCDS in CDS to extend dots 👍

big dam buttons only

[minor gust]

ive said this before would be a perfect talent for slayer

also I think its fine cuz it matches the pace of Thane for fury

Thane with the high TB resets a lot of the time you dont even think about WW stacks

[soft gust]

I just think it needs to feel good with our other buttons.
I may be overcooking but I feel like:
Skullsplitter
45 sec cd
Your next cleave instantly consumes and deals 4 seconds of deep wounds and rend damages to targets hit.
Your next MS after this cleave applies a DoT that deals some % of the total detonated DoT damage

Itd be some funnel with some actual interaction with our bleeds

I run sks rn it just feels boring to press. Getting a longer cd ability that was actually meaty would be ideal i think

Having it integrated into a passive would be nice to avoid some of the bloat tho, and tying it to execute would maybe make execute feel good to press in m+ again

At the moment I personally feel like that the lack of interaction with the bleeds is the problem. Doesnt feel like your building up to anything, just pressing dot cause you have to

[smoky kayak]

I think that's fine part of the time, I don't think it should be an all the time thing though

you could maybe try limiting it with something like "when Execute consumes three stacks of Marked for Execution" but that gets tricky with target swapping and basically mandates that you never fill w/ Execute ever again

[thick hamlet]

was execute giving demolish stacks really that bad designwise?

[minor gust]

if we lose the current 2pc for slayer I think the amount of SD usage wouldnt be to high

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, because Execute has no CD

[thick hamlet]

but you would still prioritize MS over execute, wouldn't you?

or at least follow the EP stacks/op rules

so it wouldn't take over the rotation completely

[serene hollow]

Then there are 0 versions of arms that incentivize the left side of the tree at all

The bottom left, I should say

[smoky kayak]

with enough damage maybe, but we didn't last time

it just ends up making Colossus builds look a lot like Slayer builds, and Colossus gameplay feeling a lot like Slayer gameplay

and IMO the game is a whole lot better when you have actual gameplay options, not just fake options

e.g. Season 1 and 2 Slayer and Thane using the exact same talents and playing the exact same way for Fury other than one uses TBlast on proc and the other uses Execute on proc

as opposed to Season 3, where Slayer hard focuses RB and Exe, while Thane hard focuses BT and TB

• are they significantly different? No, they're still both Fury specs which means they're gonna do a lot of the same stuff, but they're not downright identical either

[thick hamlet]

gotcha, thanks

[devout pewter]

man, playing with an actual good group makes one painfully realise how "bad" arms infact is lmao

[spiral coral]

Is arms getting gapped? I haven’t really seen that

[devout pewter]

yeah I might have played not as well as I could but especially on the bosses I was pretty shit

[spiral coral]

Do you CDs saved for boss

[glacial rapids]

Did I read somewhere that we should sim patchwork, 5 bosses for m+? If we arent using MDT or dungeonslice

[devout pewter]

mostly yea

[devout pewter]

just sim patchwork, is fine and enough

[glacial rapids]

1 boss?

[devout pewter]

ye

[glacial rapids]

huh, okie dokie then

[devout pewter]

if you just sim to find the best item for upgrades, patchwork single target is well enough

[glacial rapids]

yeah just simming top gear

[devout pewter]

yeah, singletarget patchwork is fine then

[thick hamlet]

i do 1~1.5min 8target patchwork, 8 targets for 10mins, and 1 target for 3mins
then average it out to compare with other builds/item combinations

mdt is cool too

[spiral coral]

Have you gone to dummie and just done st rotation mindlessly as Col until you know exactly when to time your shit in a boss fight? Idk that’s what help me if I’m ever having dam issues. Just.. go to dummies and slap Spotify on with the rotation on the other monitor

[devout pewter]

yeah I'm way past that. I'm currently just putting it down because I'm tired as fuck

[heavy patio]

I'm a simple man, just make juggernaut take 16 seconds to fall off and make it go infinite if you're slayer 🙂

[cunning pond]

have slayer let battlelord proc SD execute instead of MS

[devout pewter]

With what stats is soleah's secret technique simming? all?

[celest forge]

I use crit

[arctic iris]

If you're pushing keys with a set group, it can also be worth considering the rest of your comp

e.g. if the other two people have great ST but lacking AoE, you may want to lean more into AoE to make up for that, and vice versa

[lofty pulsar]

arcanocore is simming higher for me than the seaforium trinket

in basically all content and idk why

[teal fossil]

better for your gear

[spiral coral]

Frost and arms buff when

[outer forge]

12.0

[slow saddle]

I usual frost mage is due to lack pf players

Arms is just fucked

Coz we got plenty of i refuse to play fury, arms enjoyers

[halcyon valve]

Me

[smoky kayak]

what are you looking at, cause Arms stats for Mythic actually aren't bad

Arms is actually pretty good on a few fights, but it's also got a couple that it's just kinda fubar on (like Dimensius)

[latent moss]

looks like boss damage

maybe

idk fury is giga high

[smoky kayak]

Yeah this raid is actually setup pretty well for Fury on M

[latent moss]

but arms isnt that bad on boss damage

[smoky kayak]

I do think a big part of it is everyone prioritizing Fury, which happens to some degree every tier

[brittle pelican]

I strongly believe that df arms was miles better than what we have now

[slow saddle]

Oh i agree

Sl after tuning as well

[fresh spire]

Fury just plays better now with the reap change for last two where before arms defo had a little more neish for the bosses

Basically most of dimensions fury got value in every phase from it and in burst window 2t/platforms on nexus too

[lean wraith]

Yeah i'm stumped guys, i don't know whats wrong. My aoe dps as colossus is great, but whatever i do i cant seem to do decent damage ST as slayer
I follow the wowhead priority as best i can, i was wondering maybe its something wrong with gear also? I know the lack of an on use is probably not helping

[latent moss]

nah ur gear is good

also wdym by cant do decent st as slayer

[halcyon valve]

I dont have any on use trinkets either, its fine
Just rotation issue id wager

[thick kelp]

it finally happened

[fresh spire]

[thick kelp]

I can finally piss crank my keys

[lean wraith]

yeah absolutely is the rotation then, i knew thatd be part of it i just thought maybe a little part of it is a booboo in my gear too

i did 3.9m on fractilllus yday

its that bad

[halcyon valve]

For reference this is my gear

[thick kelp]

Holy bis gear

Skyreaver @calm vessel

[fresh spire]

Yeh also skyreaver enjoyer

[halcyon valve]

Got it from the first vault of the season

[fresh spire]

Week 3 hard mode here

[lean wraith]

another weird thing, is i keep getting pieces that look like they absolutely should be better than tier, as i have 5pc

and sim just goes nooooooope

[fresh spire]

Arms is in a spot rn where it wants a bit of everything stat wise as you hit the breakpoints for crit and haste pretty easily now

Sorts why tier isn't bad as it is mostly the 2 you want

[lean wraith]

ahh yeah i figured that, mastery keeps simming higher than haste for me on crafted and shit

which is a bit of a problem for me cause i main both arms and prot

[floral ledge]

how much % we get rework for midnight ?

[lean wraith]

makes it more difficult to have both bis geared

[fresh spire]

-20

Reworked into the ground

[halcyon valve]

„Huge class reworks for midnight on ptr“
Arms: (one talent slightly changed)

[lean wraith]

is helliki worth a shout just to see how big the difference whatever rotational mistakes im making are?

or is it trash for arms

[halcyon valve]

You can try it i guess

You should certainly be doing more than 4m dps on a single target fight if you do the rotation ability priority correctly, so if the addon is up to date with everything, it should help you see where you went wrong before

[lean wraith]

yeah that's my thinking too, thankyou

i've just realised im kinda doing my own thing in execute phase and thats probs definitely not helping

i do 2 execute-MS, while weaving in rend roar cds

ill check wowhead see if theres an execute list

[halcyon valve]

I liked doing frequent ms in execute too but lately i started just full sending nonstop execute as long as i have rage

And like yeah on average during execute phase, execute does more damage per cast than mortal strike

[lean wraith]

i thought we have that talent where two execute buffs ms big though?

damn,

[halcyon valve]

Yeah executioners precision

One sec

[thick kelp]

Just read the prio

2ep MS is

very high in there

[halcyon valve]

Ah shit, forgot mobile wcl doesnt let you zoom on the timeline

[lean wraith]

i am definitely not doing this

[halcyon valve]

You should

[lean wraith]

so thats something ive learned already

[halcyon valve]

Bladestorm does good damage when fully stacked and with 2 ep

It sends like 5 mortal strikes for free?

[thick kelp]

3

[lean wraith]

holy shit

i did not know about ms causing rend in execute phase either

jesus im an idiot

[halcyon valve]

Yeah 5 free mortal strikes

[lean wraith]

thanks so much guys this has been a huge help

[latent moss]

gg

[lean wraith]

gotta do some volunteering thing in a min, but after ill run a normal raid so im not gimping anyones hc run and report back

really appreciate all the help

[vast glacier]

@smoky kayak do you think our prayers will be heard or is it (sadly) only cope ?

[latent moss]

coming in 12.0 passive sks on execute

[void lily]

is it ever worth using charges on champ gear that gives me 4 piece? i have 3 charges i can use and only need to use 2 for 4 piece

[thick kelp]

Can you grind 6's for hc gear

if yes then u should not waste charges

[void lily]

i mean im 696. just have very little io

[untold pewter]

Use your own key and IO stops being a big problem

[vast glacier]

Where did you found that Info ? 🤔🤔

I cannot find it

[boreal quartz]

Charlie kirk talent

[thick kelp]

[median scroll]

[boreal quartz]

[median scroll]

go work

[boreal quartz]

At work

[median scroll]

Dont Arbeitszeitbetrug your Arbeitgeber

[vast glacier]

I dont like that. That is an other Version of jug, and for minmaxing you want to hold your SD procs.

[sage light]

Is slayer arms in m+ a meme or low-key pretty decent with the tier set?

[vast glacier]

Meme

You can Play it, but you cannot reach the highest highs that fury can reach.

[latent moss]

u would never ever hold sd

i can guarantee u that

[quasi torrent]

Yes Betrug him

[sharp tendon]

arms need big buffss special in st lets close discord

and proper rework in midnight like other classes got like 2 times a expansion

[untold pewter]

Let's not make this "close discord" tamtrum a norm

It's pathetic, really

[sharp tendon]

its pathetic that some classes get rework 2 times a expansion and arms stay in the shit state

[vast glacier]

Sounds intresting 🤔

[cloud orbit]

Stay strong, brothers. We are warriors and not crybabies as other classes. Enduring the struggles is our class choice

[boreal quartz]

Boss makes a Dollar i make a dime so i shit on company time

[fresh spire]

Realest real

[vapid goblet]

Shitpost on company time

[quasi torrent]

meow on company time

[boreal quartz]

I usually play clash royale on the toilet

And intermittedly some discord

Nothing extreme icl

We dont have a clock so whatever

[boreal quartz]

Was ist mit dir ehrlich jetzt

Machst du doch auch

[dim basalt]

Jeder "fleißige" Deutsche macht das

[quasi torrent]

Not CR tho man

i just doomscroll

😎

[median scroll]

du bist noch azubi.

🤏

[quasi torrent]

Maybe u should all download online casino so u can gamble away everything u made pre shit

[boreal quartz]

Nimmer

[median scroll]

[dim basalt]

[grave mulch]

we gonna get buffed in a few weeks. i feel it in my balls

[loud fjord]

i havent played since least season. is arms still the same pain with 15 juggernaut stacks in raids?

[dim basalt]

ye

[loud fjord]

[spiral coral]

[glacial rapids]

Yep, right after Legion Remix when nobody is playing the base game until Midnight.

[grave mulch]

has remix got a drop date?

[glacial rapids]

I don't think so but supposedly early October

[empty sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[untold pewter]

It's bound to happen yeah, I feel it in your balls too

https://tenor.com/view/me-gusta-evil-smile-bald-the-mummy-gif-17088524

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/dwayne-johnson-raised-eyebrow-scorpion-king-gif-14818863

[celest forge]

Narcissus saw his reflection in the lake and smiled, knowing that he was a perfect creation incapable of flaw or error.

[regal wharf]

I got my full 4 set from the raid

Also i wont lie

If we got a slower pace of updates

But they did better with bug fixing and balancing

I think most people would be ok with it

[fresh spire]

They legit just need to buff the worst classes every week very small amounts until their closer to other specs

Even if its 1% a week

[slow saddle]

also buff arms 5% please

[shadow ibex]

yea balance is great unless you play the game

if you just jump in mid/end of season yay but playing week 1/2/3 just undertuned is meh

idk why they dont tune more aggressive if the game is so seasonal

[mystic python]

So with the set bonus change. Are we still running colossus on council for the cleave damage or does slayer pull ahead with the set bonus and bladestorm damage?

[mystic python]

That's how you get obscene power creep. It's hard to see balance until gear is more standard as it changes the power of different specs in different ways.

You need to balance from both ends and need to account for many variables like over and underperforming individual abilities.

[mystic python]

That seemed aimed at fury more.

[glacial rapids]

Did you read the last part of it?...

[mystic python]

And I was asking for one specific boss fight - the illidari which we run colossus on

[glacial rapids]

Yes if you look at warcraft logs we are still running colossus on council.

For mythic and most likely heroic.

[mystic python]

👍

[obtuse copper]

[teal fossil]

on the last part? meh, that requires a lot of manpower for little gain

if a spec is flowing correctly (very subjective) then you dont need to be tuning individual abilities

[fresh spire]

It's not. Class over preforms -2%

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/real-housewives-housewives-bravo-bravo-tv-real-housewives-out-of-context-gif-22540534

This but tuning

[amber phoenix]

23 streets runs and I haven’t seen ring of the panoply drop for even a single person in my group let alone me, am I nuts? am I farming the wrong dungeon?

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/dandadan-anime-unclephuc-okarun-balls-gif-5866203922181272603

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-dandadan-unclephuc-aira-ball-gif-8579752530239656874

[spiral coral]

I’ve never farmed a dungeon for loot so idk just send what keys I have and what guildies have

[glacial rapids]

Loot pool for streets is "large" I honestly wouldn't even bother.

8 possible items if you even get something. Compared to Eco or Ara which have 4-5.

[small grail]

What should we sim for m+? 6t 1m?

Dungeon slice supported?

[thick kelp]

naw

[soft viper]

it took me 23 streets runs to get my neck piece. that someone else actually just gave to me

[amber phoenix]

i actually got the neck in my first streets ever, got super lucky on that one, yet to see the ring still though

did you see the ring drop in your farming?

[spiral coral]

I might farm hoa

I think I have to farm hoa actually

I need idol

[soft viper]

i wish i could pass you mine im too special to make it work and its nice and 710 already

[spiral coral]

It’s for my other main warr lol

Would be dope tho:)

[soft viper]

oh hey do you also have 3 warriors?

[spiral coral]

Yes

[soft viper]

1 of each flavor?

[spiral coral]

Yes 😂

[soft viper]

!

my man

same 🙂

[spiral coral]

Vulpera prot, Orc Arms, Nelf Fury

[soft viper]

fury human arms dragon cow prot

😄

[spiral coral]

Literally the three other races I would choose

[soft viper]

orginally just made that cow for those DF totem quest line

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/did-we-just-become-best-friends-did-we-just-become-best-friends-meme-step-brothers-best-friends-besties-best-friend-gif-23405805

[soft viper]

https://tenor.com/view/step-brothers-comedy-john-c-reilly-will-ferrell-high-five-gif-3475966

[spiral coral]

I tried to do one or two toons and switch specs but it just doesn’t work if you’re really trying to max a spec out on a toon imo

Too many stat weight changes and variables

For example my orc arms was a fury but it switched just due to how much crit its gear ended up having and my nelf has better fury stats and it was an arms last tier lol

[soft viper]

yes tho my fury did accrue a nice arms set too from farming fury set times i dont like to swap em its hard to make 11%crit work when you were fury but wanna go arms now lol

[spiral coral]

I like seeing peoples faces when they see a Vulpera prot. Immediate doubt.

[soft viper]

my fury human is actually better at arms this season.. i love bonking

i just feel so week when its just 1 target

[spiral coral]

Fury is cranking

I recleared raid with arms last night

Missed fury the whole time lmao

[soft viper]

my fingers are too slow anymore thane is my speed and i see slayers everywhere.. but i like the extra proccy procs on cleave and MS its like whackamole

i like that

running in and getting the 10 stack in like 3-4 seconds is very satisfying but i can't keep up with my arcane guildy

[spiral coral]

No one can keep up with arcane

Busted ass class

Pressing two buttons all raid

[soft viper]

really makes me question what im doing wrong even tho i give it my 100% lol

[spiral coral]

But wanna talk shit to hunters or fury and act like their rotation and spec is hard

[soft viper]

like that akon song... I tryyy soooo harddd

[zenith dagger]

its so disappointing like i usually prefer arms but i think ive just lost my patience with the state of the spec, fury is just too fun rn

[soft viper]

you doing that slayer thang or are you stomping lightning?

[zenith dagger]

never stomp

[soft viper]

gasp

[zenith dagger]

thane is cool for prot but slayer is just infinitely more fun for fury imo

[soft viper]

it does remind me of when i had younger fingers feels like a fury of old

[zenith dagger]

i like what they did for the tier this season, more thunder blasts is good but the fishing for procs shit is boring, more reaps and execute is gooder

i also just prefer fury to be fast and thane feels a little slower and clunkier

[torpid jackal]

Thane at its best feels as fun as slayer's average

imo

chain proccing TB's

[hasty pumice]

@minor gust

stop playing on your alt man

[minor gust]

Tsk tsk tsk can't even call me out cuz I'm NA

EU slander

[shadow ibex]

i would play thane on hunters but fuck rng bullshit

[zenith warren]

is it normal for fractilus to slap me while I charge?

[pearl wind]

if you get too close it knocks you back

[void bay]

He has no legs Roy, he feels vulnerable if you get too closr

[zenith warren]

could be

my arms st sims exactly the same as fury st

[spiral coral]

Charge doesnt knock you back but if you step forward after I think he does

[near radish]

do ya'll bind stone idol to anything or just its own keybind

[stable fiber]

meow

[dire hinge]

Have idol on its own bind. You want to cast it before your burst window happens, so you dont want to tie it to Avatar/etc since you'll eat your Avatar GCDs sitting there channeling, instead of doing dps

[untold pewter]

You could in theory castsequence it, no?

[dire hinge]

technically yes? you can do that with anything though

[untold pewter]

Then again I think having a separate bind for trinkets is best, you get used to them so it won't ever be a problem again

[dire hinge]

yeah it works for this one since it's the same CD duration, but it gets really weird the moment a 2min CD trinket comes along

[jovial hare]

#show
/use 13/14
throw em on a bar somewhere comfy
never worry about oddball trinkets again

[tender ermine]

I put it on charge to make the opener a bit easier and usually im not gonna be charging around on most bosses so it's just a free button that is good real estate for me

[dire hinge]

not a bad idea honestly

wowhead guide recommends Victory Rush/Charge combo'd for the same reason.

[warped ether]

holy i didnt khow you can reflect the shield on second boss priory

[pearl wind]

yes and you should every time

[dire hinge]

and other things too ™
https://tinyurl.com/TWWreflects

[spiral coral]

Spell reflect wa?

#updates-midnight message

[dire hinge]

final boss is quite fun on Prot if you tell your team to not kick at all

those Holy Smite reflects are huge

[spiral coral]

I lost this and couldn’t find it. Is it pinned or listed somewhere? Ty

[dire hinge]

yeah! it's in #dps-faq at the top 🙂

[spiral coral]

You da best:)

[dire hinge]

just bc visuals are goated

[spiral coral]

I haven’t been there in so long lmao

[warped ether]

ye it did like 8-9 mil on 13

and you can have it up everytime he does it

[unreal mountain]

is anyone actively playing Arms in higher keys still ? on mythicstats, we dropped to the last place of all dps

[warped ether]

prolly 30-40mil free damage

[spiral coral]

no

[teal fossil]

Def not after fury slayer changes

[spiral coral]

I’m sure there’s a few stragglers still holding on

[unreal mountain]

yeah i thought so but i dont think that arms is bad right now honestly DPS wise

[dire hinge]

wait, you guys are doing higher keys?

[spiral coral]

But shit if I’m not playing arms I know other arms die hards aren’t lol

[warped ether]

i mean i am still enjoying it

but i am still in the 13-15 bracket

[unreal mountain]

im not a big fan of fury but its in a good spot right now compared to arms but enjoy arms more , so i was curious

[warped ether]

just hit 3k today

[spiral coral]

No, not yet I’m being lazy on my warrior and mage. Doing a fuck ton of raiding instead. Figured it was going to be an insanely long season so was just gonna start late. Doing 12s atm chillin

Like this season is gonna be soooooo long

[dire hinge]

mood, i've been moving for the past few months and im not worried about catching up because this season will still be happening by the time im settled 😂

[unreal mountain]

i think it will be like half year

[spiral coral]

I think the best thing wow has done is found a way to keep the people that don’t play much still being able to stay geared and stay with the rest of the pack just by doing weekly stuff

Confirmed turbo boost is odd though, idk. It’s almost made me not want to play alts cause I feel like it’ll be wasted time lol

[spiral coral]

[dire hinge]

exactly yeah. I've done less than 20 dungeons this season so far, but i can lick out a few delves a week, and im staying geared enough that I can still craft all of my items and jump back in when im able to. It's nice not feeling like im hundreds of hours of grinding behind

cough KORTHIA cough

[unreal mountain]

😆

[regal wharf]

imma be real

i would fw turbo boost so much more

if they made crests transferable when it came

[paper summit]

Watching this warrior stream mythic progression and he clicks EVERYTHING. I don't understand...

[cedar wyvern]

that is fire

honetsly

[fossil thistle]

Help

Is Champion spear a Tether or Root

for Araz

[shadow ibex]

tether

will pull them back to its center

[still fox]

play arms its fine

[lime ruin]

in dungeons in perfectly fine, in raid it's pretty outperformed imo

[radiant dawn]

the only things I raid is the chest at the end of my m+ and the great vault

simple as

[slow saddle]

i disagree

arms is fine

but its way outperformed in M+ as well

the dmg profile of slayer fury is way sup

arms is fine though

[thick kelp]

What dmg profile man

its a flatline

like a dead persons heartbeat

[still fox]

yea, raid is bad and for M+ @ rly high keys fury better because dmg profile more Prio dmg and St is higher but all up to 17 arms is fine and i find much more fun to play

[sage drum]

This, play what you enjoy. All last season my friends kept telling me to go arms but I stuck out fury

[balmy kindle]

Hey as least arms makes your raider Io look insane

Getting low 3k+ instantly puts you within global top 500

[warped spade]

I wish they would 1.5x-2x bladestorm's damage and either make reap proc with dreadnought or up chance to ~35% from 20%. Would bring slarms more inline with fury counterpart

[warped ether]

Ye I looked at mine yesterday I am number 26

[fresh spire]

Would be better if the 150% reap was on the baseline kit for cleave than overpower

Sd should always proc reap though instead of op. Make it same for fury over bt. Wpuld balance out having cleave>sd>ms>op vs raging blow>sd>bt with Target count

[warped ether]

Ye if 150% reap was on cleave it would have been really good

We pray 🤲

[fresh spire]

Ofc archi is trying to get the fan of longswords anima power back for fury. Hopefully we can get a simular counterpart in arms to help boost the value of its Cds allowing something like ms casts cleave/ww

Though would love if we could get sudden death thunder clap back in a means that its solid for St.
He also mentioned here that he would like bloodletting to work at all % at a lower duration. Basically if you ms on cd it never falls off allowing for full damage pushing in cds and no rending

Stream lining ravagar and rend usage to be way less invasive would be a big bonus

Personally would kinda like it if we got the ravager from protection along side the 3 target at all time execute regardless of sweep

Give arms slayer some more value when pushing sd in aoe vs fury

As pushing sd in aoe in arms actually feels so fucking bad (5+ targets)

[warped ether]

Tbh I feel like thane would be much better on arms then on fury

[fresh spire]

Could even make the 3 hits sweep so we hit 6 times 😉

[slow saddle]

Yup

Said that for sev seasons

[sharp wyvern]

But then you would have collosus fury

[jade jacinth]

Am I a sicko for wanting to play Slayer in M+?

With rend talents*

T-Clap & Rend only.

[untold pewter]

Sigh lately this is all we really get here man
"Can I play what I want to play?"

[thick kelp]

no

Heres the talents too
CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAghZmZmxMGzystsMmBAAAYw0AzyMzwYZMzMWMzMmBGGAAAAAAAmxsMGDYLmxy2AbgBMDTIjhNA

[untold pewter]

[untold pewter]

Oh huh no Bloodborne?

[thick kelp]

Correct

Bleeds arent that good

to warrant taking nodes worth <1%

[untold pewter]

Fair enough I thought it'd take over EP

[thick kelp]

Slayer wants to press execute so EP works better for it

cuz u are horseshoed into taking SD

[warped spade]

I do agree. execute feels really bad in aoe and op's proc being lower in aoe when it's also pressed way less than rb is quite cringe

[untold pewter]

Makes sense, thanks for sharing

[jade jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

Here I was just moving one point from Deft Experience into Rend

[chilly hearth]

Wars of any species
Quick question
Any reason why i should talent skullsplitter?
Either raid or for a specific dung
13+ for dungs

[spiral coral]

last I checked no top arms performers are using sks

[empty sluice]

Playing arms rn is like competing in mr. Olympia while being natty

[spiral coral]

I mean usually I’m for “play whatever” but I mean fury slayer is so good, so simple, so fun, really hard for me not to beg people to go play it

[thick kelp]

real

[dawn root]

Does anyone know if the Mortal Strikes cast from Unhinged count towards Collateral Damage?

[thick kelp]

no

they dont

[past marlin]

Really? Oof

[warped ether]

I still don’t get why they made it so it doesn’t work with ss either

Like sorry I get to ss a ms every other bs

[thick kelp]

well it originally worked like that

But they removed it a little bit before TWW launch

:(

[warped ether]

Ye I remember

[thick kelp]

Went thru all of TWW alpha + beta with sweeping unhinged

anlaki

[warped ether]

Can’t have shit in wow

[ornate notch]

dear all, i know this question was raised a lot, why not worgen warr?

[broken silo]

they don't have a tail

[spiral coral]

#onallfours

[dire hinge]

it's all personal preference + racial kits basically.

The passive crit bonus Worgen gets isn't strong enough to make it stand out for Arms much. For example, Human's passive outscales it as you get gear.

and the rest of the worgen kit doesn't really add that much either (compared to things like Shadowmeld, Stoneskin, etc)

but if you like it? Go for it!

nobody can tell you how to play your $15USD a month have fun, pick things you like or think look cool

[spiral coral]

Worgens extra speed racial is helpful in some scenarios

[teal fossil]

human passive takes a long time to outscale

[teal fossil]

literally because stormform and shadow meld is broken

[spiral coral]

It’s not the best speed racial though

[teal fossil]

at the highest level of m+

and any other time it doesnt matter

[dire hinge]

yeah, most races are super even, especially for arms

[ornate notch]

still theorycraffting a warr for the upcoming "season4"

I want to minmax that warr

[teal fossil]

ya

so you go to bloodmallet

[spiral coral]

Then dwarf

[teal fossil]

sort by race

[spiral coral]

Or Nelf

[teal fossil]

or click dwarf

[dire hinge]

for sure, race won't have much impact there, so you can minmax your transmog basically 😂

[teal fossil]

ok tbf

1.5% between the worst and the best isnt miniscule

but as long as you are picking like the top half

its fine

[dire hinge]

vulpera

[teal fossil]

i even excluded vulpera there lol

[spiral coral]

Bro you can push to 3,200 or higher with whatever race

It’s jus the people in that tier would rather play meta

[ornate notch]

question, if i make a random char, can i get a void elf or is that too much troll?

[spiral coral]

Not bad for Prot

[dire hinge]

void elf is the highest simming race so not a troll

[spiral coral]

Velf racial is very good

[ornate notch]

probably ill go that route, create a random guy timerunner or wtv the naming was and do it that way

[dire hinge]

but genuinely it shouldn't matter much. If you start running up against performance issue due to race, you can reward yourself with a $10 race change

[spiral coral]

I’m currently running Orc as my main

[dire hinge]

Orc good shoulders

[spiral coral]

Top tier mog, really good racial

Also I can always see where I am (most of the time)

[ornate notch]

friends are most of them ally, so ill stick with those

[spiral coral]

I love my Nelf just as much

[dire hinge]

but yeah! genuinely pick whichever one you want to 🙂

if you like worgen bc of the crit and move speed, go for it!

[ornate notch]

speedy boy and the fur

Thinkingpepe

[dire hinge]

((with the fuuurrr))

the whole pug? Looking at hurr

[radiant dawn]

not looking dog shit is at least a 5% DPS increase which is more than playing a race you don't vibe with would give you from passives and racials anyways

[dire hinge]

unless you go out the other end, and look dogshit on purpose, so much it starts to scale your dps again

[sharp wyvern]

thats called overflowing i think

[spiral coral]

Wonder how many are nelf cause it’s meta but never use/have no clue when to use meld

[teal fossil]

decent amount id imagine

its not as straight forward as dwarf

[spiral coral]

I got yelled at the other day going in front of the tank

[radiant dawn]

civ gandhi vibes typa thing

[deft osprey]

How far ahead is fury? I play arms no matter what, but just curious.

[radiant dawn]

100% behind if you dont invite a fury to your key

colo arms aoe is ahead by (some amount) but ST is significantly better to the point where its kinda painful

in raid idk lol im washed

[spiral coral]

Raid st arms numbers aren’t bad I don’t think but overall I think arms ends up near the bottom

But Fury slayer m+ build is just gapping colossus by a large number.

[quaint cargo]

Which I don’t get, when I play colossus my numbers look better than when I am fury slayer

[latent moss]

walhe lost to a slayer fury in pre first boss trash in priory

enough said

[spiral coral]

I mean colossus is still doing fine. Can still go up to whatever key with it. It’s aoe is fucking sick.

[quaint cargo]

Yeah, I’m doing 15s as arms atm and just my overall is worst when I play fury, maybe my stats aren’t geared for it but idk

[spiral coral]

Feel > whatever people are playing

[spiral coral]

Likely just that extra millisecond of thinking what to do next adds up to damage lost. Maybe just a repetition and learning curve.

[quaint cargo]

Probably, my st is definitely higher just overall is a lot less, maybe it’s the curve and my stats mixture of both

[radiant dawn]

could've had a good comp to kill bosses ST on your arms so your weakness isn't showing as much

honestly there could be a thousand reasons

[spiral coral]

I mean. If you just randomly playing it you’re not going to excel like you would playing something all the time.

[quaint cargo]

Yeah normally phys comp

[teal fossil]

can i introduce you to hekili

[quaint cargo]

😂wouldn’t I have to get the GitHub profile for season 3 and import it and do a lot of extra work

[spiral coral]

Hekili good trainer

[teal fossil]

no

it comes with the addon

anyone who tells you to import anything is delusional

just need to keep the addon up to date

[spiral coral]

I didn’t know people imported stuff into it

Thats kinda neat

[teal fossil]

well

its because youtubers trying to click farm

and doesnt know what hekili is

trying to import shit

[spiral coral]

Ahh ok

[teal fossil]

they copy and paste the simc APL from github (hint: its already there)

and then break something

the only time when hekili is different from regular APL is when APL gets updated

and the devs are on vacay

or whatever

so there may be a couple days of lag

[quaint cargo]

I can give it a try to see if I can get the muscle memory, what just download and good to go?

[teal fossil]

ya

there are some settings to chagne like optimizing cds

but you can think for yourself for that one

[warped ether]

Yo anyone else a waterpark simulator enjoyer

[void bay]

is that a euphemism?

[warped ether]

Arms so good I’m playing waterpark simulator

It’s a good game actually

[void bay]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[spiral coral]

Power washing sim is really fun ngl

[heavy patio]

my buddy streamed waterpark simulator last night, but it just got us in the mood to start lumber jacking in farming sim

[void bay]

i wish I had a buddy

[minor gust]

Buddyfinder.com

Go find yourself a buddy

[void bay]

the only buddy I had was Bonzai Buddy but he died

[slate island]

R.I.P. Bonzai Buddy

[pearl wind]

F to a real one

we didnt care he was spyware

[celest forge]

Are people getting into 8m+ overall using arms? I can't seem to get over ~7m in any key

Bit hard to troubleshoot whether it's the tank or me causing it

[devout pewter]

I think the worst thing that pulls my dps down is when Warbreaker and demolish start to desync and I have to either wait for one to use both or use them seperately..

[spiral coral]

PEAK

[amber phoenix]

Meet real women!

[spiral coral]

I can’t I’m married

[dire hinge]

Average #ui-addons-manager post

[spiral coral]

My ui looks like a spaceship until I’m in combat lmao

[void bay]

[fresh spire]

scary

[dire hinge]

ok hear me out

[fresh spire]

"cooldowns? more like cooldon't bother"

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/clip-windows-microsoft-agent-gif-11209432

[void bay]

🤣

[untold trench]

In todays world of forced "assistant AI", I miss Clippy

[minor gust]

Clippy will never betray you Clippy cares

[dire hinge]

clippy says, "stop prepotting that hasn't been a thing in years"

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-labeouf-clapping-theatre-gif-12736297714360095095

[glacial rapids]

Depends on tank pulls and dungeon.

[celest forge]

Fair enough

[stable fiber]

MODS

[livid cloak]

I am enjoying of slayer keys

I still love arms but its hard losing the prio damage right now

It feels like a 25% st loss to play arms in keys but the aoe is really good

I don't get how some people are doing 10m plus overall though. Must be a lot better than me

[shadow ibex]

pull size is the biggest thing really

[warped ether]

holy just got hella lucky with procs

think i got 7-8 cleaves back to back

[warped ether]

its really dependent on the tank

[celest forge]

That's beefy, what dungeon?

[warped ether]

13 floodgate

the doom pug dungeon

[fossil thistle]

Yea.
Big difference when the tank pulls 4 packs and you’re doing 15-20M
Vs 2 packs doing 8-14m

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/beyonce-to-the-left-irreplaceable-dance-dancing-gif-2653294108931590923

Until someone goes right and you both die

[nova marsh]

flood is jover

[void bay]

I hate flood, it has so much bullshit

[nova marsh]

I like interactive trash

I don't like that much interactive trash

Man we're gonna have flood in keys for a year

[void bay]

I hate all of it except big momma and the last boss

[nova marsh]

That feels so insane to think about

Same with priory too

[slow saddle]

Also higher key level so the sustained bleed gets to shine

[slow saddle]

I mean flood isnt to bad, but y melee exp is interresting, everythin does somethin🤣

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870682754705150003/1396636223233200249/attachment.gif

[ocean willow]

how is arms 4 set looking compared to fury

[dim basalt]

Just a few more months to go

[ocean willow]

should i make the switch when i get my 4 set

[slow saddle]

Play what u want

Fury better but arms is ok

[fossil thistle]

Hot take for #arms but ok

Arms always better. Doesn’t matter how far behind we are.

[vast cedar]

Im looking at logs of #1 Plexus kill and comparing to my best Plexus kill. Im trying to make sense of why Fearmyrage mortal strike avg cast is 600k more and why his execute avg cast is 1mil more. Our stats are similar, he has 3ilvls and about 13k str on me, i have way more crit. We had all the raid buffs, particulary mystic touch. His fight was a minute shorter than mine, but we had comparable cast numbers (so he obviously played better overall). But i can't get my head around why ALL his casts are way higher average cast damage. Any 50lb brains know what im not understanding?

[misty bridge]

Compare juggernaut uptime/stacks

[fossil thistle]

Augmentation?

[fossil thistle]

There used to be something to compare logs but I can’t remmeber it.
Would compare casts vs APM / downtime / buff uptimes n stuff

[sacred zodiac]

aug should be calculated out properly in logs nowadays

[vast cedar]

we both have aug runes. looking at jug again

i had 7 more jugger count (longer fight) but 3% less up time.

[slow saddle]

But did u have 15 stacks into execute

[fossil thistle]

I’d rather have juggernaut do less %, stack a bit more and have higher uptime

1.5% 20 stacks 20s duration 🤨

[weak rain]

I'd rather have jugg removed and have execute do as much dmg as prot

[tribal kindle]

execute talents should get same treatment as protection warrior , aoe execute talent, jugg removed increased baseline

[sacred zodiac]

"stack a bit more" explode

[warped ether]

what if

and hear me out on this

serenity was actully useful

[shadow ibex]

Who is that

[warped ether]

exactly

spiteful serenity

[shadow ibex]

Why is serenity mad

Who hurt her

[warped ether]

the one dev who puts 0.05% of his time on arms

[olive nest]

We got the dev who’s fully remote and spends 90% oh his day watching streams and playing WoW

[tepid jay]

what role should Brann be for Arms in delves?

Healer?

[fossil thistle]

But they’d last longer so in theory, full uptime.
A true ramp not “lol mechanic happened your SoL”

[spiral coral]

Healer yeah unless you don’t have a damage intake issue then just send it as damage @tepid jay

I usually get away with him as dps and if I get killed and respawn I’ll just switch to him to heals

[fossil thistle]

712 I have him as a healer for the odd 11s I do.
If I’m just slamming 8s I’ll do dps

[warped solstice]

Would kill for a dev that actually played the game. 🧌

[warped ether]

they prolly do

but only get to lvl 80

and then leave

[slow saddle]

Plz no

Remove hoops

Let execute fuck

Let talents rather buff passively or add aoe

Such that slayers execute fucks with sd procs

Sd should gosh dangit thats a lovely proc let me press insta for big dam and big smile

[tepid jay]

thanks yall ❤️

[inland drift]

on Streets first boss, any way to escape acusation and disarm?

[fossil thistle]

Make sudden death a 1% chance to do 999% more damage.

Because suddenly it’s dead

Warrior fixed 👍

[celest lava]

,

[lofty pulsar]

Sorry for dumb question but how accurate is the one against many sim vs arterial bleed sim? How many targets do I need for arterial bleed to be better than one against many

[slow saddle]

1

[void bay]

idk about weap but you can hide behind a wall with the jail thing to make the boss travel further....once you have it I dont think you can stop it happening though

[slow saddle]

😅

[lofty pulsar]

I know the answer is “uncapped” but is the answer 1 or like above 8-10

Cause I know bleed is good single target if you have SKS

[slow saddle]

Bleed good alway

Col 4p carries

[lofty pulsar]

Mortal strike bleed kinda disgusting true

[teal fossil]

The sim itself is as accurate as you wanted to be

[halcyon valve]

11 priory, arms on top baby

[slow saddle]

Mass aoe expert🤣

[inland drift]

big numbers

[spiral coral]

next arms key I do ima ask the tank “pls pull as big as you possibly can”

[pearl wind]

this

[smoky kayak]

that's called "exacerbating the problem"

[teal fossil]

0.1% 99 stacks 10 second duration

So you can really feel the class fantasy

[serene hollow]

1% 99 stacks, never falls off in combat

[fossil thistle]

99% 1 stack? 😉

[shadow ibex]

what if we killed it and burried it in an unmarked grave instead

https://tenor.com/view/rupert-graves-stare-talk-what-glare-gif-17241952

[radiant dawn]

then id find it and bring it back from the dead just to be a hater

[dull siren]

@latent moss

it's starting already

[marble sleet]

is that trinket from HoA really our second best trink? im scared of casting trinket.

[latent moss]

gg

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-use-it-trinity-vampire-gif-24878119

[lofty pulsar]

dumb question but whats the thinking behind one against many vs arterial bleed and SKS/no SKS. im sorry for the direct @ but im just curious. same for the shockwave knockup talent respectively.

im assuming arterial bleed is only optimal in like 12+ at best/optimal tanking styles where one against many is decent vs lower counts?

[smoky kayak]

arterial is ok, just depends on target counts - technically good at really high targets, actually getting rend up on all of them isn't super reliable and packs that big tend to die fast (or you do)

one against many is a lot more consistent in that regard, with or without sks

[minor gust]

The love for Art is mostly for the ST gain

[smoky kayak]

yeah, iirc its much better than Many up to ~4 targets

[lofty pulsar]

so basically bleed is better on toddler pulls and giant pulls

but many is more consistent on what id consider normal pulls?

[minor gust]

And bosses

[lofty pulsar]

ah makes sense

but im not even 3k yet so i should aim for consistency right

only at like 2930

[minor gust]

Considering OAM relies on a sweet spot of amount of mobs pulled. Art is just gonna be better overall imo

[lofty pulsar]

so basically the aoe is negligible whereas the bleed diff on single target wins it easily

sims are saying at least 1% with bleeds

according to raidbots arch build is 1.2% behind

but sims assume optimal play

[minor gust]

The diff is gonna be minimal and not something worth overcomplicating especially in low key ranges like your in right now.

[lofty pulsar]

but if im not even playing optimally this conversation is probably pointless until im regularly and comfortably in 15s tbh lol

[minor gust]

Art has good synergy with tier and brings value in a ST scenario where OAM does nothing for ST

[lofty pulsar]

yeah mortal strike and art seems kinda a perfect match

[spiral coral]

What you do in a +5 shouldn’t be much different than what you do in +15

[jovial hare]

other than cds being kinda whack cus ur going thru it so fast

[spiral coral]

^

[jovial hare]

hard to get a feel for plotting out ur cds when packs last like 12s

[lofty pulsar]

so just make sure im thunder clapping what id say quite a bit but not over cleave or ms

[spiral coral]

You’re only ever using tc to apply rend to a group

So it should be in your opener, and then not thought about again

When you get good at optimizing you can think about reapplying rend but I would recommend not worrying about it.

[halcyon valve]

fractillus heroic warrior dps rankings
99 fury warriors, and one man with a dream

[spiral coral]

I can raid as arms or mage tonight

Idk yet

[halcyon valve]

arms

[spiral coral]

Solely to beat a fury out, maybe

Need to go to my shrine of the jugger and pray for my stacks

[small grail]

How hard am I trolling if I play arms instead of fury in raid prog

[digital terrace]

depends how you perform on the two specs

[mortal niche]

you do you (but yes probably)

[lofty pulsar]

nothing on logs really matters wrt mythic right? cause my ilvl progs make me seem like a beast where my mythic+ progs are like 80s/mid at best at like 83 lol

i mean my points on mythic plus are good but that could just mean i got boosted even though i really only pug

[teal fossil]

m+ logs mean nothing

too many variables

[lofty pulsar]

fair

[teal fossil]

most ppl only look at raid logs

and not even ilevel raid logs

[lofty pulsar]

makes sense youre either pumping or youre not

[mortal niche]

there are alot of aotc only players that are genuinely better players than entry mythic raiders but will almost never beat them on regular non ilvl logs

gear carries a whole lot of people

[lofty pulsar]

interesting

[teal fossil]

ya

gear is op

you dont even need to be like that much more geared to beat someone

[mortal niche]

it's useless for someone doing heroic

to compare to..well mythic

and yes theres flaws with it anyway as mythic rolls through heroic anyway

[teal fossil]

if revvez had lfr gear

and i had mythic gear

i can beat him on any heroic boss

thats just a fact of this game

[cunning pond]

what is the best way to sim for m+

[proper coyote]

we get vacation??

[void bay]

No the devs do

not u, back to work

[kindred oak]

what is the overpower "effect" that cleave uses?

does it consume a charge?

[soft viper]

martial prowess i think 15% buff stacking twice for cleave or MS

[kindred oak]

ty

so does that mean you should always overpower at the start of a pack to buff some cleaves?

[soft viper]

for me overpower is down there a little bit. the start of packs youre trying to up your stacks for demolish asap

[kindred oak]

ty

[teal fossil]

no you cleave first

to put it on cd

[strange perch]

https://ru.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XK8NfVhD2JzLWZRq?fight=2

Tell me pls, is this dps ok? I just got two-hand and swapped from prot to arms

[atomic mountain]

how much haste do we want for raid?

[slow saddle]

What ever sims say

[echo marten]

Question. Is arms "useful " or it gets out dps from every class :/

[still fox]

i am mostly on 15/16 keys first or second overall, but fury dmg profil much better for prio dmg

[echo marten]

So is kinda tge same as before.

[void bay]

every single class in the game out dpses arms, including all healers and classes from 3 years in the future

[echo marten]

:-:

[void bay]

ask a stupid question.....get a.......

[still fox]

ah it's not that bad, play bleed talent tree and its a good mix

[echo marten]

Ok thanks for your time m8

^^

[still fox]

play your keys, or queue as fury and switch before start 😅

[echo marten]

Like the tank "trick" xD

[still fox]

xD

[slow saddle]

works like a farm

[warped ether]

so why do tanks tend to pull first room in streets like an absolute psycho

got this 14 bricked like 5 times becuse of that one pull

[halcyon valve]

ive seen a dh do things in a 11 streets yesterday, you wouldnt believe me

(in a bad way)

[slow saddle]

Because we want gigs pulls🤣

And mobs into.mini boss

[weak rain]

its ok, only 5 days left for arms buff announcement

[slow saddle]

U mean rework

[glacial rapids]

[kindred oak]

I want to play some keys with fury which I haven’t even speced into for 5 years but I can’t loot a second 2 hander for the life of me

[spiral coral]

Do you have any extra sparks or crests from s2?

[kindred oak]

Yeah for sure but ilvl will be like 681

[spiral coral]

There’s also the blue ones you can make without a crest

Better than nothing 🤷‍♂️

I was just giving suggestions

Wont hurt going 2-5s or something

It’s just an offhand

[kindred oak]

I’m 706 right now I’d get laughed at trying to do 10’s with a 680 offhand but yeah it’s something thanks

[spiral coral]

I don’t think anyone would give a fuck in 10s

[kindred oak]

Yeah they are pretty chill now

They still invite only 300 io half the time tho. Kinda annoying

3000

[spiral coral]

Also I mean I don’t know why you’d go into a 10 not knowing fury

[kindred oak]

I know fury I used to do well either it so I feel a couple minutes on the training summies and some research and I’d be fine

[spiral coral]

That’s why I thought you were talking about learning 😂 also we’re at half spark this week, will get a full next and you could craft another 2H

Stay in Arms loot spec btw

[kindred oak]

Yeah 2h axe coming up I guess

[fossil thistle]

@daring heron never let it die

[slow saddle]

Saved

Will be posted 1 time a day

[fossil thistle]

DF S2 meme

[fresh spire]

[dull siren]

@thick kelp

up good

[thick kelp]

Oly moly

D- tier farm trinket

[weak wave]

Is more than 50% haste doing anything?

Cause on my mage haste cap seems to be 50%

[thick kelp]

idk

sim it

[dull siren]

Will be S on Dimmy always I think

since stacks stay from p1 to p3

[thick kelp]

How much does it do on dimmy even

if theres any pub log with a hc screams

[jade cargo]

@thick kelp are the new Papa Arms?

[spiral coral]

Nah papaw just said fuck this shit

[dull siren]

0 clue didn't have it

[boreal quartz]

allegedly

it doesnt work on dimmy right

[thick kelp]

they fixed so it works