arms

[warped ether]

omg floodgate is impossible with pugs

[slow saddle]

Arms mainly is annoying coz to many layers of amps

[teal fossil]

but hey

thats the tactical gameplay people asked for

[fossil root]

Fury is thematically a raging berserker.

Arms is master of weapons (titualr arms), battle stances, pacing, smart tactics, etc. Like a fencer, samurai, well-trained knight.

[teal fossil]

yep

which means 20 buffs to get a big ms

[fossil root]

Sadly skills in Arms do not really flow well into the theme.

[mortal niche]

in my mind every havoc demon hunter is just someone who didnt start wow before otherwise theyd be fury players

[hallow vale]

Amp that ( ( C L A N G G ) )

[dim basalt]

Sounds accurate

[mortal niche]

new fury players dont exist, they play havoc

[slow saddle]

Yes but could be streamlined

Remove juggernaut

And rend

Bake into dw

[mortal niche]

at this point I associate bladestorm closer with fury than arms

[slow saddle]

Remove col dmg.

[mortal niche]

and it irks me greatly

[slow saddle]

Ravager fit arms

Way better

[fossil root]

Just a wishful thinking for Arms.

• add several battle stances and change between them mid combat
• battle shouts and banners with different effects (like a semi-support spec like Evoker)
• weapon specialisations?

[mortal niche]

but bladestorm is THE arms spell

[dim basalt]

agree

[mortal niche]

just bring back banners ngl

[dim basalt]

BS feels really bad to use, at least as Arms right now

[mortal niche]

I get mortal strike is also arms specific

but bladestorm to me is still arms over fury idk

[slow saddle]

Nah

[fossil root]

Colossus feels fitting for Arms, slayer too.

[slow saddle]

We wanna empower ms

[mortal niche]

fury is what..odyns? roar?

[slow saddle]

So rav gives us sexy execute bursts

[mortal niche]

ok you're on about numbers i'm not

[slow saddle]

Nono

Gameplay

And what arms wants

Bladestorm only works as in sl

[mortal niche]

if you had to associate ONE spell with each spec

[slow saddle]

Only for aoe

Bladestorm fury

Ms arms

[mortal niche]

naa no way

[slow saddle]

Ive played 20 years

[teal fossil]

i mean

rampage fury

or bloodthirst

[slow saddle]

Yes way

[mortal niche]

bladestorm was literally the arms goto forever

[teal fossil]

both more iconic for fury specifically

[mortal niche]

I'd say odyns/roar now post legion idk

[slow saddle]

Never truly fit imho

[pearl wind]

i need dat big CLANG

[stable fiber]

i would say its horribly designed

[hallow vale]

why would it be horrible tho

you do not need more than 4-5 rotational buttons

[stable fiber]

every spec in the game is like that

[fossil root]

Class fantasy was on point with Legion weapons. Arms - sword of high king/general. Fury - giant barbarian swords, protection - DW scale.

[stable fiber]

my biggest problem with fury is that rage is so irrelevant that you intentionally overcap rage because our spender is only used to enrage us

[hallow vale]

Thats an issue for the current tuning

[stable fiber]

overcapping on your resources is a sign of a terrible designed spec

nah it happens

this whole season

in bladestorm

you literally ignore your rage bar

its irrelevant

[fossil root]

why do we even need rage as a resources? Like at all,

[stable fiber]

atp we shouldnt have a resource at all

and we would be the same spec

[hallow vale]

make rage increase ability's DMG per rage instead of enable an ability

[stable fiber]

it would still play the exact same

you only use rampage to enrage urself

[fossil root]

Arms can use "paladin" charges
Fury can still use rage
protection can use armour bar that goes up and down (balance between offense and defence).

[hallow vale]

maybe idk ;d

[stable fiber]

then go back to overcapping

also the other problem is that fury is always in cds

[halcyon grove]

"cds"

[stable fiber]

so you are just designed as the most flat profile ever which as we figured out this tier arent really that good when bosses have 100% and 200% damage amps

[halcyon grove]

wet noddle

[stable fiber]

i like rage and enrage and rampage

it just feels like none of them matter, you just spam RB

[hallow vale]

They do tho

you jut spam rb in between them

[stable fiber]

well the enrage matters

first and last one dont matter

[pearl wind]

hit big momma with that 65m demo crit

[shadow ibex]

enrage is just meat cleave

press it every few gcds and maintain

very fun

[stable fiber]

i hit a 75 million demolish on the add during soulbinder fight

fury hits that add with a 6 million cleaved raging blow max

fury isnt even allowed to switch targets or else you lose 20% haste

[pearl wind]

tuff

[smoky kayak]

it's kind of iroinic that Demolish has become such an incredible AoE sniping tool lol

[teal fossil]

the 3 global burst

nothing beats DH unbound chaos

sniping sire adds

[stable fiber]

it could have been so good on stix

but they made the mobs too spread out for it

[mortal niche]

wish it could be freecast

[minor gust]

3 button half gcd combo ability would go so hard for demolish

Instead of cast time

[teal fossil]

that def would

was ret pal the first one who had it

[mortal niche]

qte

[minor gust]

Technically boomy with new moon in legion

But yeah I want ret version

[mortal niche]

look at it now, a disaster

[fresh spire]

guys we can't just copy paladin after they copied us

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-you-can-lucretia-turner-the-upshaws-you-can-do-it-you-got-this-gif-18242098010073293488

here in America we copy and cheat to success

[meager prairie]

are the other wow discords imploding

[hard cedar]

seems like some discord server issues

[dire hinge]

yeah discord issues

[river ridge]

Discord is having a time atm

[minor gust]

Skyhold shutdown for more buffs confirmed

[devout pewter]

was about say, when are we doing that?

[finite grotto]

🤣

[robust cypress]

Is arms slayer viable in M+ like fury slayer? or no? 🙁

[devout pewter]

Are you pushing 16+ or higher?

Then the answer is absolutely

[spiral coral]

Sure but idk why you’d play arms over fury when slayer (to me) plays about the same

[robust cypress]

Cause I hate fury

[devout pewter]

wait.. no I meant if you are pushing that, then the answer is no, otherwise absolutely...
f my english

[spiral coral]

You’ll be fine

Just send it. It’s not trolling by any means.

[devout pewter]

I feel you stormy. I can't for the love of me like fury. Tried many times over many iterations, but nah.

Luckily so far blizz managed to have the speccs still somewhat viable

[rare kite]

like fury slayer? no. viable as in playable? yes

[river ridge]

You can just play Colossus Arms still

Like its not suddenly bad cuz Fury is good

[devout pewter]

I mean unless you're really pushing high it doesn't really matter what you play

[spiral coral]

If you close your eyes and pretend your Arms and just keep pressing two buttons you’ll be fineeee as fury

[devout pewter]

I'd wish I can do that. I'd at least be able to switch around sometimes to just "play something different". But everytime I touch Fury I just get this sudden urge to not play anymore.
Maybe I'll try it once more.. If it's THAT much better than Arms.
But even though the cleave/ms reset thing is kinda meh lately, it's so much fun when it really hits.

[smoky kayak]

buddy its like 3% better on average

play what you want, nobody really cares; and if you come across someone who really does, it's a pretty good indication that you're not going to want to play with them

[teal fossil]

also its not that serious

its just a game

[minor gust]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[devout pewter]

I mean in general, there surely will be a time again when arms is in the dumpster 😄
I'm not loosing sleep on this

[minor gust]

and there will be times when arms is giga strong

is what it is

focus on whats fun

[devout pewter]

true

[spiral coral]

I just like encouraging other warrs to branch out. I’m an arms enjoyer and always will be but being able to switch to all three specs has given me a lot of freedom and flexibility to have more fun with the class.

[smoky kayak]

balance in wow is a revolving door, sooner you come to terms with that, sooner you realize none of it really matters lmao

they don't really design classes/specs to be expressly good at anything anymore, aside from some minor niche leaning

[spiral coral]

^yep revolving door of tuning and a never ending treadmill of loot

[smoky kayak]

it's just kind of happenchance whether something turns out to be a strong ST or good MT or downbad everywhere

so unless you're gonna reroll constantly, better to just find something you enjoy and let it ride

[minor gust]

then your fury in TWW and go from the best burst aoe spec in the game to a completetly flat spec

[spiral coral]

something that you enjoy

so true

Also there has to be some type of subconscious dps % you lose from playing something you don’t enjoy lmao

[devout pewter]

absolutely, and then you play something you don't enjoy, doing something you don't enjoy, and suddenly you rage at your group for the smallest thing

[spiral coral]

hell naw dog if I’m ever raging in wow I’m not playing lmao

But I see what you mean

[devout pewter]

learning very early that that's not worth it is the best thing you can have as a gamer 😄

[spiral coral]

I play osrs and wow idk what’s worth anything

[devout pewter]

I certainly upset some people laughing at a misshap because I just learned to enjoy the little things lmao

[spiral coral]

I was doing a +2 flood on an alt and there was a guy that never did it and he ran into one of the divers bombs and the way his body flew across the map made me laugh so hard

[devout pewter]

hell yes that's the spirit

[spiral coral]

Learning wow has to be the most miserable experience

[devout pewter]

considering that there's probably someone that would not be very happy with that guy running into the bombs

[spiral coral]

Nah bro I run my own keys and it’s always a vibe

[devout pewter]

that's surprisingly fast to do nowadays, tried it yesterday and group filled up quick. Last time I tried it in Dragonflight I sat there with a friend and waited for like 30 mins for nothing lol

[spiral coral]

Even if it was a +12 like it’s whatever. Ppl take keys too serious. Also the leaving system imo for the most part sucks and is more demoralizing for people learning than anything.

I personally believe it’s bad for the game.

[devout pewter]

eeeh, it's a two sided blade.. it's on one hand bad like you said, but on the other it keeps groups together where someone would leave instantly on the first mistake

like that one mistake that takes up literally just 10s but that one dude knows best that the key is f'd because of it

[spiral coral]

Yeah but then you’re just fucked out of loot and time

At least if you bricked the key you had chance at loot and a vault spot

So not all was wasted

Also people holding keys hostage and shit

[devout pewter]

i mean the keys that would still easily finish even with mistakes

[spiral coral]

Or people in 2s that are learning getting toxic rat alts voting to leave because they want to one shot everything and not give the people in those keys the chance to learn lmao

There’s a lot

[devout pewter]

yeah, it's terrible

[ionic tendon]

Guild killed mythic Loom'ithar for the first time last night and I got to experience the joy of what can be possible when Juggernaut never falls off lol

[spiral coral]

Like I wouldn’t be saying it or mentioning it. I’m making a pretty large blue post about it actually.

[latent moss]

gg

now u will feel the despair of it perma falling off

it will never not fall off

jugg curse

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-yeah-yes-yup-yeah-getting-ready-gif-15360783

[ionic tendon]

I have accepted that I have used 100% of my Juggernaut luck for the tier now haha

[latent moss]

once u feel the joy of it never dropping off now u are cursed to feel the despair of it always falling off

unlucky

it transfers to fury too

[spiral coral]

I bet the BM Hunter was like “you just wait till reset” 😂

[grave mulch]

"Im gonna spam kill command harder next week"

[spiral coral]

lol bro I’ve been crashing out about it I need to chill

[regal wharf]

why is it that every class Im enjoying is tuned like dogshit

arms is
outlaw is

[glacial rapids]

balance in wow is a revolving door, sooner you come to terms with that, sooner you realize none of it really matters lmao

[wet magnet]

hold on to your mains and play what's fun

I like setting up a juicy Demolish and watching my details bar explode, so I zug

[regal wharf]

i do play whats fun

its just very demoralizing as outlaw to pop off and do tank damage

[untold trench]

To be fair, monk does dps levels of dam when they pop off

So ain't exactly an outlaw thing

[regal wharf]

eh

target caps really hurt us

[untold trench]

Ah yes, the very common and legendary arms target hard cap

[wet magnet]

Outlaw is currently in "actually not working correctly" levels of damage if I understand right so I feel you

[regal wharf]

im talking strictly for outlaw

ive barely played arms this season

[spiral coral]

arms misses you and you miss it

[regal wharf]

ive been playing it

[spiral coral]

I’m not

fury and mage the rest of the season unless fury catches some random nerf

Burnt out of colossus unfortunately

Idk what I was hoping for coming into tier to change around colossus but it just doesn’t feel engaging

Feels 3/4 of the way baked I dunno. Probably just jaded

[slow saddle]

If sks had been a real nuke button

And tier hadnt been nerfed

Col prob had a place in my heart

[shadow ibex]

if col could get excited about one of the capstones like slayer req BS

[slow saddle]

Fury slayer after tier fix y

[obsidian arch]

Are you guys mostly playing Colossus or Slayer these days for M+?

[pearl wind]

colossus

[zenith warren]

was skyhold down for a bit yesterday?

[halcyon valve]

Discord was

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/243005537342586880/1414740721314955304/image.png?ex=68c0ab78&is=68bf59f8&hm=90e40943d5a9f1bfa77b806ebc581427b445b9bbc045ef08e8da679c4da131b7&

[fresh spire]

Discord was very angry

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870682754705150003/1396636223233200249/attachment.gif

[heavy moat]

Taking Dreadnaught over Skull splitter on M+ talents, any reason I shouldn't? with skull splitter: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5K684UycB8ZZtpKmWeyHzd with dreadnaught: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x8XvxjradrsLCvKTggevgw when simmed SG target dreadnaught is about 30k dps less, but kinda seems like the multitarget gains are worth it

[silent vale]

Hey, I was just wondering how accurate Dungeon Slice Sim is for this spec?

[thick kelp]

not accurate

[silent vale]

Great 😄 So how do you go about checking optimal stats/trinkets for M+? Just Sim for ST/Cleave and guesstimate?

[thick kelp]

sim st and patchwerk 5-10t

[silent vale]

thanks!

[thick kelp]

30k when dealing 3mil or 30k when dealing 14mil dps

is a big % difference

ofc its your choice if u want to game around the small hitbox of DN for the minimal aoe gain compared to taking sks or SoA(-0.4%) for the increased ST

[slow saddle]

u would not take dread u would take strentgh

[heavy moat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p4NXmr1jmXi6ypifbBx2Eq

with strength

[heavy moat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sgUhvsgpajhbNGoLNHQ4Eb https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3AJBRJgofCBZqqE6ojqPmP those are the sg trgt sims

[slow saddle]

then check 2 target as wel

as sks's true benefit is the 2 target prio target

[heavy moat]

how often are you killing just two targets in M+ though

[slow saddle]

hhmm

thats not the point

often killing 2 bigger targets though

also lets c

hmm

u are simming with all buffs

dno how u play m+

😄 but ehm

[heavy moat]

didnt see that I'll resim

[stone marsh]

Slayer arms good in M+?

[eager sigil]

no

[heavy moat]

Strength: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1pbPHFQMgkUUrutWA6ehPw Skull: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7HGZQzDSLLmUpkyv7VqMhk Dread: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pjAfpMtEHh5sN5L4nPeKgn multi target lust/bshout

strength: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qVisG3yfm9Ee7cXAUx2YAF skull: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jF9abHu2TgBj6rdRniNF26 dread: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jYPs9berPWEKnyB2qUXMJR SG trgt lust/bshout

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-pam-beesly-theyre-the-same-picture-the-same-picture-they-are-the-same-picture-gif-20830121

[inland drift]

i miss arms, might craft some rings with crit for later

[astral yarrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1402024314978439373/Doom_Gif_2.0.gif

[inland drift]

https://i.imgflip.com/a389n4.gif

[inner kite]

Whats the haste % breakpoint?

[eager sigil]

haste breakpoints arent a thing for like 10 years now

[inner kite]

Ahh. Ive been gone since wod. Thanks.

[spiral coral]

[boreal quartz]

They technically exist but sims account for them

It's extra GCD in X CD the sim sees but u dont chase

[slow saddle]

Yes there is

45% haste

100%

[warped ether]

Isn’t it like if you have 20% haste you get 1 extra ms in colossus smash window ?

[lunar acorn]

Do you guys wait until you have 10 stacks for demolish for m+ aoe opener

[daring heron]

yeah on aoe you should demo at 10

[vast helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1404607648367775854/884dae019b604034a488bde11a71bd29.gif

[spiral coral]

should? yes. but if you're having trouble getting it out and delaying it too long by accident or you arent used to it, it's likely misaligning your next set of av/rav./wb rotation so imo if you're just learning just send it

[void bay]

Lol....the fact its always you that posts that makes it funnier some how

[heady cargo]

Any one who has done soul binder on mythic are you holding cds for ads when you get to the middle for the first time or sending them on the first two that break from the middle

[dim basalt]

Hold them for the large add spawn

Nvm I thought I was reading the WW discord

But top parses use cds on first two adds (not pull) so it lines up with the large add spawn

[misty bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-congrats-kid-congratulations-nice-gif-11565253382391449339

[unkempt wren]

Only time I ever get Jugg at 100%, someone wipes us at 30-40% /sad

[slow saddle]

Juggernaut is a tease indeed

[lilac fossil]

So I'm practicing the arms Colossus rotation & wanted to know hm ya'll be doing on the cleave dummies when you full send

Has anyone done a full send on cleave dummies recently & may have a number?

[thick kelp]

sim

5t dummies

on raidbots

and compare to yourself

Like this

[lilac fossil]

oh right. thank you

Ok looks about right. thank you

[forest perch]

Does full stack jug execute at 40 rage do more damage than ms with 2 ep stack and 2 op stack?

Cause I feel like being lazy and just wanna spam execute at the end and ignore rotation lol

[rapid bronze]

oh boy this is a tough one

[outer forge]

fuckin rip.

[sharp wyvern]

that ring is good no ?

[outer forge]

for fury

dont think it's anything special for arms

[sharp wyvern]

its in the BiS list on wowhead

for arms

but shortterm it might be bad since you dont have dimensius ring and saladfingers hammer

[outer forge]

yeah well see what the sims say

ive got good hero rings already

[rapid bronze]

any thoughts on this? seaforium is a bigger upgrade when maxed out but I guess we'll get the dinar things soon and can just buy them on myth track

[thick kelp]

no

[forest perch]

[celest forge]

I would take the myth head because you'll want myth tier set at some point and pacemaker is beaten by four other trinkets, meaning eventually you won't want it anymore

[heady cargo]

Ty for advice will try this next night

[rapid bronze]

thanks I appreciate it! that's what I'm leaning towards as well. Any particular reason for head over shoulders?

[celest forge]

Shoulders are not a set piece meaning you'd have to catalyze it for it to be BiS

After you have 4-piece already, I would suggest saving catalyst charges for tertiary rolls before catalyzing no tertiary myth track

(You can get tertiary rolls from deathless tazavesh)

[rapid bronze]

yeah I have 4 piece, all hero, but helm is 6/6 and shoulder is 4/6

so technically shoulder would save some crests

[celest forge]

Does saving crests matter?

[rapid bronze]

not down the line

[celest forge]

^

[rapid bronze]

thank you sir

[celest forge]

Ok does someone mind helping me with mine? Upgrades are circled. My problem is that I like to play all three specs.

[void bay]

On warr I only play fury, but on other classes I like to play more than 1 spec. I usually sim all 2/3specs with the best gear I have for those specs, and note the percentage upgrade. Then I sorta make a gut feeling/upgrade amount difference depending....eg trinkets are a special case sometimes, is it a massive upgrade for one spec and minor for the other, is one spec crying out for say more haste which makes it feel a bit clunky to play etc etc

You cant (understandably) make raidbots sim multiple specs

[celest forge]

Yeah it's difficult

The shoulders and neck are just myth tier of what I'm already wearing. Helm is hero tier of my champ helm. One-hand could be replaced by crafted weapon I guess? Unsure if any spec other than arms needs 7500 crit from the ring.

[void bay]

On my hunter for example, I was prioritising BM, but kept getting MM items, so that ended up being my main spec....annoying as BM wants haste as prio, and MM wants it last lmao

[heady cargo]

how should we be doing on meters against frost dks in mythic

[green geode]

Ragebait question

[heady cargo]

[green geode]

I apologize, my answer would have to be, not great

[heady cargo]

no its fine haha

[wet magnet]

god

[fossil thistle]

Myth tier always good option

[strong kraken]

easily the weapon

idol will be replaced by AA/arcano and screams

but also

SIM IT

[wet magnet]

couple of choices: the stats on the weapon are REALLY bad, and I'd have the second spark for a 720 weapon on next reset. the Idol is obviously a massive boost in M+

but if I took the weapon I'd use those sparks for myth belt w/ my second duskthread (since delve belt's about to get trashed), and replacing my champ ring I think. I've got myth Warpclaw and hero Arcanocore atm

if I took Idol it would replace Arcanocore, and I think I like the flavor of Arcanocore more than the chore of popping Idol lmao

Probably just take the sword and get easy big ilvl boosts now

[slow saddle]

Id say idol

[paper summit]

do we stop at 40% haste?

[teal fossil]

Ya

40/40/10/10

[paper summit]

is it possible to get 40 haste / 40 crit right now?

im kinda close

[teal fossil]

Ya

[candid pecan]

flask on haste

soo close

[daring heron]

40 40 20 10 is meta?

[river ridge]

Not that again T-T

[crimson bone]

D: is mine alil messed up then?

[teal fossil]

Ya your char bricked

Go next

[slow saddle]

Remake

[warm eagle]

Im having a really hard time finding any weapon above veteran level, I just started playing again. Is getting the void touched weap still the way to go if you dont have access to mythic+ or raiding? can weapons drop from a bountiful delve box? thank you

[sharp wyvern]

they can drop from delve boxes yes
and afaik the weekly quests reward champion track items

also if you do +8 delves you can get a hero track item from vault

thats some cahnces for a weapon

[sage bison]

https://tenor.com/view/which-one-choice-pick-choose-decide-gif-15830289

[sharp wyvern]

how is this even a question

only 1 good item in there

[quick badge]

are we just flexing in here now?

[sharp wyvern]

week 5 antenna is hardly a flex tho

[sage bison]

sry, i should respect my plate brothers

just excited

and yeah thats tru

[quick badge]

Listen, this has been my worse season for loot since Legion, I salivate at a mythic antenna

[sage bison]

tbf it sims only 60k higher than a 4/6 hero sacbrood at max upgrade for me. while the plate belt myth is 49k. so its not THAT big as far as i can tell

[amber phoenix]

hello guys, i was wondering if this chest piece is better than raid set or if id wanna convert it to raid set?

[sage bison]

Depends your stat spread tbh, the cata chest is Mastery>crit

[amber phoenix]

ya rn i have a bunch of crit and not a wohle lot of haste

i think i saw others mentioning the breakpoint for mastery we wanna aim for being 10%, so the mastery off cata chest would be useless for me right?

[sage bison]

Yeah id personally consult the sims, but probably better off cata'ing it if you already have juiced 4p tier

Yeah bloodmallet says 10% mast is indeed bis

for m+

Single target a lil different

(the m+ bloodmallet sims for reference)

[smoky kayak]

to be clear, that's not saying 10% mastery

that's saying 10% of your total stat budget going to mastery; it's a neat tool for number nerds, but not really something you should look at to decide how to gear

[reef glade]

40/40/10/10 is eternal

[slate grail]

so what’s 40% of stat budget as crit and haste equal in their %

assuming 723 ilvl

[smoky kayak]

fuck if I know

those stats really aren't something you should care about, because actual gearing isn't that clean

[slate grail]

its just cool to know, ill prolly figure out later for fun

[spiral coral]

Next time my boss asks for any type of “rundown” I’m just going to say that

[teal fossil]

holy fuck

we unironically brought out bloodmallet again

all hail 40/40/10/10

[analog laurel]

100%

[minor gust]

Damn awful a lot of talk about stats something that doesn't matter

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/its-still-real-to-me-gif-12446406

[void bay]

Warrior is the best scaling class with gear in the game so I just equip highest ilevel

[vast helm]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-drebin-leslie-nielsen-naked-gun-funny-surprised-gif-7607922418988056124

[dry frost]

Arms does feel like it always scales extremely well with gear

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/that70s-show-kitty-drinks-drinking-day-chill-gif-16669162

scaling and cloak boots

iconic duo

[heavy patio]

https://gyazo.com/9997c04214ccfc6ac3bc78f96f98d543

(my guildies vault.)

[minor gust]

I got a sword too

[shadow ibex]

i pulled myth axe week 1

as much as my OCD wants to take it for max ilvl offhand

[minor gust]

oof

yeah no cool sword mog for you

[shadow ibex]

ill just get heroic and boost it

[minor gust]

the weapons mogs are pretty good this tier

[rancid robin]

Lol critcake tagging in my key

[minor gust]

make sure to @ him before declining

cant have 2 warriors in a key thats blasphemy

[daring heron]

i was hoping to see arms vs fury

but now it's prot and fury

[rancid robin]

I can still go

buuut double arms since to stink didn't it ?

double war dps *

[daring heron]

maybe

idm it's an 18 so best try our best

[minor gust]

do it its good content

[rancid robin]

Maybe next time D:
My mate sham don't want me to dps looool

[minor gust]

lol

hes healing so gotta listen I understand

[astral stag]

I need help with vault guys, Antenna Heroic or Ara-kara Sacbrood Mythic

[olive nest]

id do sac

[regal wharf]

i hate outlaw rogue

so much

[minor gust]

sir this is the warrior discord

go post this in rogue

[shadow ibex]

lmao

hunter just playing skyrim

[dim basalt]

Most normal wow player

[minor gust]

sounds like you should get banned from here too then

[regal wharf]

i didnt say it here tho

[minor gust]

?

[dim basalt]

[regal wharf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717498714259980378/1122602081950371870/BE9B7A5E-AA29-4448-8174-35E62202CDFD.gif

[spiral coral]

[cunning pond]

Doesnt screams usually undersim?

I have mythic idol and antennae, and a heroic screams, wondering if screams might secretly be better

[fresh spire]

screams is good when boss encounters get longer

[devout pewter]

can confirm, I play a lot better when I constantly scream on longer fights

[smoky kayak]

you might get banned here for it too, that's kinda fucking weird

[spiral coral]

ion good dude also it’s just a video game so like tf

Except for him on the echo couch

[glacial rapids]

For real, get a grip.

[regal wharf]

this was like

last year

[spiral coral]

but you brought it back up as if it were something to be proud of

https://tenor.com/view/richard-hammond-the-grand-tour-clarkson-jeremy-clarkson-james-may-gif-27415224

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/sjwolvs-dies-of-cringe-qui-gon-gif-26188817

[fossil thistle]

Frick im 69/69/0/0

[regal wharf]

I was explaining why i got banned

Im not proud of it

[noble pumice]

Yea kinda

[stable fiber]

i think arms can still have super high overalls

its just 100x harder to play than fury in keys perfectly

[warped ether]

Dude did you just replay to a message from 7 years ago

[paper gulch]

Just got my screams trinket 👍 but question: do I need to die when there's 5 targets for the 150% explosion?

like as a rotational thing or?

[shadow ibex]

absolutely

[paper gulch]

That's what I thought, do I need to warbreaker before I do?

[shadow ibex]

trinket dmg isnt affected by any class buffs

[paper gulch]

ah good, didn't want to fuck that up.

[shadow ibex]

its a passive trinket so shouldnt be able to

[paper gulch]

I thought it might be the next Draught of souls

[latent moss]

prolly still applies spec plays the same

[hushed dagger]

Recently picked up Warrior after a LONG hiatus of not playing the class all the way back in BFA, is it common to be constantly capped on Rage until Execute windows?

[devout pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

"long" hiatus way back in bfa...

but yes, kinda. When you're on a roll you swim in rage

[latent moss]

yes

[hushed dagger]

Okay cool

was worried I was doing something wrong

[half vine]

catalyze myth shoulders with speed or catalyze myth helm with socket?

[latent moss]

sim it but most likely doesnt matter it will just change ur stats

which u can swing with gems easily anyway

in the long run one of them is the better choice

if u want to giga tryhard it u can add gear u could potentially get to top gear then run the sim

but thats too much effort imo

[dire hinge]

Helm with socket pretty goated. Saves you on a socket week later

[dry frost]

Double dawnthread + 723 weap sims lower than Ascension weap + writhing armor banding even at 80% uptime

Is that even realistic to achieve?

[shadow ibex]

thats pretty normal uptime for most fights

probably a bit less later half of m bosses

[regal wharf]

Really??

Arms is pretty intuitive

Just mortal strike and cleave, use ur shit on cd, fill with overpower and when thats on cd you slam/execute

You also keep up rend

[stable fiber]

i would disagree

there are some points where it isnt worth it to push a certain button over a different one, need to know how to line up shit or else your overall can be cooked

[grand idol]

The micro of arms really turns me off.

[stable fiber]

but perfectly played i still think it is very strong overall

[grand idol]

Arms feels like instead of a well tuned clock with all its gears working in harmony it is one of those artsy clocks that uses weird shaped objects to trigger time intervals.

[stable fiber]

its far more thinking for too little reward

[warped ether]

absolute garbage

[mortal niche]

myth wep its big, great day

[shadow ibex]

whats not to love

press 12 buttons to aoe burst

[mortal niche]

if I were to drop sks from colo m+ does it really matter where it goes or

[smoky kayak]

2nd point in Bloodborne

[mortal niche]

sweet ty, sks hater til I die

[smoky kayak]

you do you boo

[zenith warren]

lets go

[shadow ibex]

gz

[latent moss]

piano gameplay

[shadow ibex]

you when you get to tclap more in this pull because all 10 mobs aint bleeding

[latent moss]

is there some superfast way to grind valorstones

[shadow ibex]

wait until turbo and we can xfer

i think fastest source would be clearing raid in a fast grp but kinda hard to get that on an alt

[warped ether]

just go questing

you can get a lot

[wet magnet]

is WA good at counting debuffs you've placed on targets around you? something like "if the number of Rends in your vicinity is less than the number of Deep Wounds, do X"

[shadow ibex]

problem is rend isnt smart

you can probably create a p robust pack that only shows health bars of mobs that dont have rend

[wet magnet]

yeah, ideally that sort of WA would be to let me know to keep mashing it on CD until they equal

[shadow ibex]

but best you could do is wiggle around in melee during the pull

and hope it applies

[wet magnet]

insane that it's not lmao

[shadow ibex]

thats a lot of globals that aren't dealing dmg to hope that it applies to the right targets

sweeping increases the amount of targets but its not very consistent

it helps though and i've had it rend like 10 mobs in one press but really just hoping the bug works rather than a consistent trick

[wet magnet]

pbbb

praying for Midnight QoL passes I guess

[shadow ibex]

you'd hope they would get around to it in TWW

m+ pulls this expac have been massive

in s1/2 the sweeping/tclap bug was real and not like half-fixed like it is now so i guess we didnt notice it

and also didnt have a tier bonus almost doubling bleed dmg

[wet magnet]

are you stressing hitting multiple TCs per pack or just hitting it once or twice and rolling with it

[shadow ibex]

i just abuse bug

kinda cringe cuz you lose a global of CD but i run blademaster anyway and sweeping is long as sin

[wet magnet]

is it as easy as "TC during Sweeping and it hits 10 targets"?

(and some of them can overlap)

[shadow ibex]

no

might only be 7

its not consistent

but its better than 5 ig

[wet magnet]

I see, haha

[shadow ibex]

hasnt been consistent for me at least

ive clapped on first pull in gambit and rended everything

and that's a shit ton of targets

[wet magnet]

crazy

[shadow ibex]

poor people have poor ways

gotta do what u gotta do

[wet magnet]

🪓😔

[bronze shuttle]

Hey guys, I'm pretty new to arms, i was wondering if the JoE trinket is any better after the 8% buff we got??

[vast glacier]

I can only say, what everyone else would say. Sim it yourself. Gear is relative and very dependend on your own Gear.

[limber oasis]

holy shit

[void bay]

Hmm....so you are going by the name James now....interesting

[echo sand]

Can anyone beat my Vault for the best one this season, I really wanted three pair of panties

[void bay]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-calc-gif-9749376165495099240

[vast glacier]

I was Always going by the Name James 🤔

[void bay]

Sure you were....Johnny!

[vast glacier]

Nah, you can Look at my discord Profile, James is my discord og name

[vast glacier]

The only possible thing i could do, would be naming myself after my warrior.

[balmy kindle]

Is it just me or myth belt >> disc belt at 720-723 ?

[void bay]

could be...and once that turbo boost thing happens the belt is going to get nerfed by 20%, so loads of belts will be better

[vast glacier]

For me, it is already 723>disc

[mint patio]

anyone have experience with technique trinket? currently have hero idol and pacemaker. got M technique in vault... it sims better 🤔

[void bay]

soleah?

[mint patio]

yeah

[void bay]

i mean its just a flat stat buff....only issue is you need someone in your group that has the stat you want

nothing more to it than that

it sucks if you want say crit and noone has crit as highest stat or whatever

[latent moss]

its good if u can get the stat u want

[mint patio]

true that, cheers for the thoughts

never considered not getting the stat i wanted lol

[balmy kindle]

Thought I had a bad vault but turns out belt was a 1% upgrade

[vast glacier]

[normal grove]

Any recommendations? (I have no clue how to sim)

[vast glacier]

Neck is good but can drop in hardmode. Same with trinket. I would compare it with the Gear you are wearing.
Belt is slighly better on 723 than the disc belt. And trinket is not the best.

[normal grove]

Aight thx, i crafted a belt already, so i might just go with the neck in that case

[vast glacier]

If you are intrested in simming, i can link you a guide, you can also DM me If you got questions.

[normal grove]

Sure, if you could link me a guide that would be much appreciated.

[vast glacier]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

[normal grove]

Thank you very much!

[void lily]

Anyone run arms since the fury stuff?

[shadow ibex]

Pretty hard to justify it

Fury get better and easier results

Probably feels alright on loom

[fresh spire]

Arms pretty OK on loom and fract

Just fury is a flat winner, simpler to play and easier to padd without sacrificing boss dps

[shadow ibex]

i got my good loom arms parse

so i sent fury last night

[glacial rapids]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "justify"?

[latent moss]

no reason to play it over fury

[vast glacier]

I would say, thanks to jug the only reason to play arms is personal preferenc.

[fossil root]

Same. Sometimes i wish blizz just throws the notion of pve balance into the trash and makes pvp its own game mode without specs.

[untold pewter]

@smoky kayak
I was reading your wowhead post
Do you know if there will be any option in raidbots to like "activate" the raid buff version of weapon enchants?
Or is there any other way to apply that manually?

[green geode]

Thinking about gearing a troll toon with strictly mastery/haste

For colossus

[latent moss]

vers haste

[fresh spire]

As far as I know they are working on it

Add this to the expert section of the sim and it should enable it until a tick box appears
thewarwithin.attuned_to_the_aether=1

[untold pewter]

Huge, thank you!

[spiral coral]

unless you simply like arms more

And even then

Play fury

[latent moss]

ye but then u dont care anyway cause u just play arms

why bother asking at all

[untold pewter]

If you're good at arms you'll beat an average fury
If you're good at fury you'll beat a good arms

The bottom line is: skill > spec 9 out of 10 times
Just play what you want and be good at it and you won't have to justify shit to anyone unless you're pushing HOF or RWF or potentially the highest possible keys but, if you're asking which spec is better, you're probably not doing those things anyway

People pay too much attention to literal minimal damage differences in a game that doesn't demand min-maxing to get almost everything (including CE raiding) done

Just be good at what you decide to play instead

Whatever it may be

[slow saddle]

I mean seeing fury isnt rocket science and dmg profile is flat

Its hard to cuckup vs like fdk

[untold pewter]

Ok but do you want to play fdk?

[slow saddle]

Yes

Also i do

As alt

[untold pewter]

Then that's that

There's your solution lmao

[slow saddle]

But slarms atm

Is horrid

[untold pewter]

It's fine

[slow saddle]

Gameplay and dmg

In raid

[untold pewter]

Damage is perfectly alright
I agree juggernaut is ass

[slow saddle]

Mainly gameplay

I mean fury ia better at every fight

Likenjust hc dimmy

[untold pewter]

Yeah but some people don't like fury

[olive nest]

Preach it

[slow saddle]

The amount of gamin it takes to get a lof thats same is silly😑

[untold pewter]

And yet I prefer doing that over playing carpal tunnel simulation for hours on end every raid day

To each their own man

Boss will die anyway

As long as you're blasting

[dire hinge]

(fury and arms have basically the same apm)

[slow saddle]

Ikr

[untold pewter]

It certainly doesn't feel that way

[slow saddle]

I mean its more

[dire hinge]

i fully agree with the sentiment of "get good at what you like" though

[slow saddle]

Fury is just better

Like arms is trollin a raid

Now if i enjoy i play

But u need more healing//less tanky

[untold pewter]

Nobody is denying fury is better
What I'm saying isn't Arms is better
What I'm saying is if someone doesn't like playing Fury and enjoys Arms, it's completely irrelevant

And people come here, to the #arms channel asking for arms stuff sometimes and the answer is often "just play fury"

That's dogshit help

[slow saddle]

Its not though

From a dmg perspective

Or raid perspective

If not dl 2 weakauras and follow them

Arms solved

[balmy kindle]

fury only has the edge in raid, still doing 15-16s on arms quite well 🤣

[slow saddle]

Oh u can do all as arms

[olive nest]

I’d argue even the lower half of the HoF guilds don’t even need to specifically exclude an arms enjoyer

[slow saddle]

Ofc not

[olive nest]

It’s so irrelevant past race tuning

[slow saddle]

But in a weaker guild. Where u are carring shitters

[olive nest]

Largely

[slow saddle]

Needing more healin does not help raid

[untold pewter]

We must play different games I swear to god

[slow saddle]

Plexus i easily 2 x soak as fury, on arms its less so ideal

I play with bad players man

Survivabilty becomes more important

[untold pewter]

I guess that's fair

[slow saddle]

And fury has a decent edge

[dire hinge]

i think most people do, and yes Fury lets you get away with more things and rely less on others, but arms is perfectly fine. It's not int-ing by any means

play what you like

[balmy kindle]

raiding mythic with "bad" players tho sounds like pain

[slow saddle]

I play both tgough

Its rough

[regal wharf]

wait

im confused

why does the colussus tier set only give you crit strike chance on mortal strike

and not cleave

[untold pewter]

I RL a CE guild, we failed Fractillus DPS check last week by 2.3%
Why?

Elemental and MM were doing bottom DPS
Now the boys aren't bad, they fucked up

It's really, really rarely about spec
Just play what you like (but MORE IMPORTANTLY be good at it)

[dire hinge]

we spam Mortal Strike heavily even in AoE so it's fine 👍

[slow saddle]

Cleave crit should activate 4p ad well

[dire hinge]

i think they're talking about the 4p bonus

[regal wharf]

yeah

[slow saddle]

Ino was a ted talk

[regal wharf]

idk my fave part of colussus is hitting those fat cleaves

[slow saddle]

Fat sks is not?

Fat roars

[dire hinge]

i miss fat sks

[slow saddle]

🤣

Tbh me2

I still say bring that back

[regal wharf]

whats sks again

[forest perch]

I want execute clap back

[dire hinge]

Skullsplitter

[slow saddle]

Skullsplitter

[untold pewter]

I actually miss fat storm of swords

[slow saddle]

No!

[untold pewter]

Not that much

But it was nice

[slow saddle]

It included tom

So n8

[forest perch]

Or fob working even on single target

[untold pewter]

Yeah fuck tom

[dire hinge]

right now it makes your bleeds tick faster.
about a year and a half ago, it used to consume all of your bleeds and do them instantly, so it was one meaty hit. It does the same equivalent now, but spread out over time so it's not as immediately apparent

[slow saddle]

It mean its dmg is also less

Its just worth tskin on col

Before it was worth in st

So relative power has dropped

And if u add a button it should fuck

[forest perch]

[olive nest]

[forest perch]

Uncap clap rend target

[slow saddle]

Let slayer arms use rav!

And remove jugs

[olive nest]

Yuck

Ravager sucks!

Let me free cast during Bladestorm

[forest perch]

Just make execute castable during blade storm

[latent moss]

just make bladestorm not fucking

3204 years long

make it as fast as fury and thats all we need

[forest perch]

Make ip and sudden death execute count as rage used

[olive nest]

Ahh yes ToM aware

[forest perch]

Also helps lower cd for cs and bs

[dire hinge]

we learned our lesson with that one

(it was not fun)

ip spam as an offensive button was so jank

[forest perch]

Macro it to everything!lol

[regal wharf]

god im forgetting

did we ever take that in M+?

[dire hinge]

IP spam counting towards rage spent was a bicycle tire patch on a very leaky wheel

[dire hinge]

we did for a season or two iirc, yeah. You could sweep it to second targets and do significant damage

[untold pewter]

That was Aberrus wasn't it?

[dire hinge]

i just remember pressing it in DF freehold

whichever season that was

[untold pewter]

I do recall ignore pain for DPS in aberrus
Yeah that sucked

[balmy kindle]

TOM ip spam on aberrus

once u proc a fat TOM send SoS whirlwind

[wicked yoke]

🔥🔥🔥

[spiral coral]

God that was the worst

[wicked yoke]

With Arms kinda falling behind, yall think there is a chance for a slight buff or are we locked in

[dire hinge]

there's always a chance for a buff, but it's not predetermined

so it could happen tonight, it could happen in 8 weeks

[wicked yoke]

I hope so, it feels kinda like the intent for the season was for arms to be better in M+

And with the opener being so large I think that’s well deserved

[spiral coral]

No chance in hell 😂

I mean, I hope so but I don’t think arms will get one

Really wouldn’t take much to tip the balance to arms favor though

[olive nest]

Or in our case.. never

[spiral coral]

It’s not bad, just fury is better. I also saw on the tier m+ somewhere they are like dead bottom but I just can’t believe that at all

But keep arms there so they may get a buff go ahead

[wicked yoke]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking haha

[spiral coral]

Pretty sure all the giga wars are just playing fury and it’s hurt the arms overall number

[wicked yoke]

If they drop down to the bottom of a tier list maybe we will see a buff. I also was thinking, with 4set fury really benefits from Reap, is there a way they could make a slight adjustment for arms so that slayer would also benefit in a similar fashion?

[spiral coral]

What’s insane is you’d see it go from bottom to a-s

Very quickly lmao

[wicked yoke]

Maybe I live in a fantasy land but a world where 5 cleave targets each have a chance to proc reap

Kinda like fury with WW and RB

[spiral coral]

Just a tiny st buff

And arms is pumping

[dim basalt]

Revert stray exe nerf on set

[wicked yoke]

Are there any good strictly arms content creators yall watch? With Crit Cake doing pretty much only fury I can’t find one

[glacial rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/@ShirlytheBandit

[wicked yoke]

Ty

[glacial rapids]

[shadow ibex]

fury will do more and do it easier

[slow saddle]

And u live easier

[spiral coral]

Can tank so much more damage and keep uptime more

[slow saddle]

U feel that on first boss

[spiral coral]

Can feel it on everything

It’s not that arms is spongy but fury is damn near a tank

Actually a tank died in a m+ the other night and I was shocked that I was able to take threat/dam in dstance till the tank got back. I would’ve been dead af as arms.

[slow saddle]

Nah

Dbts

Is 100% op there

[shadow ibex]

tbh just dont get crit

[finite grotto]

Arms needs a rework I think but for now Colo just needs buff to OP and buff to execute and we are good to go numbers wise imo

[minor gust]

Ok

[radiant dawn]

arms just needs to passively demolish on every ability

[slow saddle]

What

We need juggernsut gone

Like prot

[candid pecan]

basically yes

and 25% buff to exe to compensate

[slow saddle]

Yup or 30%

What ever makes us sim the same as now

Then id prob prog as arms

[spiral coral]

ayeee raiding as arms tonight

lessgo

[slow saddle]

I cba

Its sadly just way more effort for no reward

[spiral coral]

pray for my jug uptime gokke

[spiral coral]

ive been playing fury just gonna run arms for reclear cause fuck it

too many guildie furys

[slow saddle]

Ahh

[spiral coral]

idontlikeit

[slow saddle]

Yes i will pray

But again hear me out

[spiral coral]

gotta represent yaknameaaan? haha

[slow saddle]

Like fuey jugger is 5 stacks

Also problem solved

But 15 fuckin stacks bound to drop

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/old-school-comedy-will-ferrell-youre-my-boy-gif-3455918

someone has to put parses up ffs

[slow saddle]

[safe oracle]

Hey, maby this is a stupid question but is there any point you would use ww as arms single target slayer build? Or can I remove it from my bar?

[jaunty latch]

hi there, im having trouble with single target rotation, any tips? i use OP and MS but i feel like 2.8 or 3.0 in st isnt good for 709 ilvl bute in aoe im good with high numbers and that

[minor gust]

There is but that point isn't in this raid so don't worry full take it off your bars if you want

[safe oracle]

Thanks

[rapid bronze]

aided by the absence of anyone playing the spec

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/jumanji-see-that-thats-what-im-talking-about-jack-black-professor-shelly-oberon-gif-16523238

Good shit

[slow saddle]

We win in midnight!

[rapid bronze]

13.0 rework

[halcyon valve]

i just did this in heroic

obviously only possible because of full uptime on juggernaut, fuck that talent

[fresh spire]

🤹‍♂️

how it feels to play jug

[halcyon valve]

jugglernaut

[fresh spire]

carnival music

[spiral coral]

I love that emoji and didn’t know it existed and now I’m happy

BAAAALS

[smoky kayak]

Colossus isn't really meant to focus on Execute

if it did, it might as well just be named Slayer

[halcyon valve]

Not focus but it should be allowed to press it

[cunning pond]

I think Colo is fun as is, I just wish it had the 100% bleed damage on tier, while prot kept the nerf so that Colo would still be viable in raid

[pearl wind]

drives me crazy that for colossus, execute is just a minor slam upgrade

[smoky kayak]

I mean Colossus does press Execute in single target

what do you expect it to be?

• It shouldn't be better than Mortal Strike, it shouldn't be better than Cleave in AoE, it already has priority over Overpower w/ enough rage

[pearl wind]

i think there can be some argument for it to be better than MS with SD proc, maybe such that without an SD proc it's still not better than MS so you don't just spam it in execute hp range

it would improve the ST

[smoky kayak]

It shouldn't be better than Mortal Strike when you're specifically talenting into Mortal Strike enhancing things, and Colossus as a tree is specifically revolves around Mortal Strike

[pearl wind]

arms should have strong execute without having to be slayer jugg

[smoky kayak]

not to mention Mortal Strike has a cooldown, so there are natural gaps to use Execute in between anyway

[pearl wind]

well the natural gap here would be that unless you have SD proc it isn't worth pressing over MS

[smoky kayak]

I don't disagree that Juggernaut is problematic, but that's Slayer's schtick, not Colossus

[pearl wind]

can reduce colossus SD proc chance in favor of it hitting like a truck

[smoky kayak]

I get that the theme of Execute is cool, but the absolute last thing you want is to homogenize the two hero specs

Slayer already revolves around Execute and (more so) Sudden Death - there's no need for Colossus to do the same thing

[pearl wind]

that's true, it still wouldn't have as good of execute as jugg-stacked slayer

[teal fossil]

still doesnt change the fact that you are homogenizing

[pearl wind]

just buff MS and not worry about execute ever as col

[smoky kayak]

ok but now you're arguing against yourself lol

[pearl wind]

yes because i have come to agree with you

[smoky kayak]

"buff Exe so that SD is better than Execute, but buff MS so you don't have to worry about Execute"

Also if you take Executioner's Precision, which Colossus would in a hypothetical single target scenario that it's just not tuned very well for atm, then SD/Execute is still playing an important role in damage, even if Execute's direct damage contribution isn't as high

[shadow ibex]

this is just bs lol. slayer presses MS plenty. if colo got exe stacks that's fine as long as MS is still tuned to prio

[smoky kayak]

Cause EP boosted Colossus Mortal Strikes are pretty beefy

[halcyon valve]

how about this
colossus gets execute cooldown back
slayer spams it, colossus presses it every once in a while

[smoky kayak]

we weren't talking about Colossus getting stacks off Execute - they tried that before and it failed

[shadow ibex]

honestly i think if colossus could get away from imp exe or if it were baseline that would be cool

[pearl wind]

that's basically where i was at, slayer wants to get them out, colossus only wants to hit an occasional proc

[smoky kayak]

but also Slayer presses MS "plenty" (cause it has nothing else to press pre-35%), but it still doesn't use it as much as Colossus

[teal fossil]

slayer has to press MS, what else do you want them to press outside of execute, op and slam?

[shadow ibex]

but yea colossus needs a reason to want to use it

[smoky kayak]

it has a reason - Executioner's Precision in ST

[pearl wind]

MS is integral to arms so it has to be the cornerstone of either hero spec

[thick kelp]

ms so integral to arms that Slayer doesnt want to press it

[shadow ibex]

exe stacks to speed up demo casts would be nice too

[smoky kayak]

They tried that and it failed

[shadow ibex]

really just a nobrainer and their logic for removing it made no sense anyway since the amount of casts wouldn't change

[smoky kayak]

it just results in Execute taking priority over everything else, again

[shadow ibex]

only weird thing was ignoring MS during ravager but just tuning again

[smoky kayak]

their logic for removing it was giving Colossus room to specialize in something other than Execute, which the change succeeded in

hence finally dropping Jugg and leaning more into Battlelord

[shadow ibex]

like most problems its really just tuning tho

[smoky kayak]

the whole point of hero specs is to create diverse gameplay options - you don't want both specs to do the same thing, just like Fury currently focusing on RB and Thane on BT, despite otherwise having very similar rotations

[shadow ibex]

just like when exe was usable always

[teal fossil]

if anything i think demolish stacking on execute almost made colossus the better execute spec

[shadow ibex]

colossus also has to press exe occasionally

this doesnt make sense to me

[teal fossil]

thats slam

colossus execute is just slam

[shadow ibex]

yea and slayer MS is just EP munching

[smoky kayak]

not only does more diversity give you a wider breadth of gameplay to choose from (at least for people who aren't 100% meta slaves), but it also gives people who are meta slaves access to more niches (e.g. playing Colossus to snipe add damage on Soulbinder)

[teal fossil]

removing MS from slayer would be removing sinister strike from rogue

its a core button that you cant get rid of

[shadow ibex]

im not saying remove either

[smoky kayak]

it does press Exe occasionally, so what is the problem? lol

[teal fossil]

you press exec sparingly in colossus

[smoky kayak]

like what problem are you trying to solve here?

[teal fossil]

and you press MS "sparingly" in slayer

no problem

yeah

[smoky kayak]

other than "I want execute more"

[shadow ibex]

having value outside of EP

[smoky kayak]

it does; as stated, it's a better Slam - higher damage, higher chance of triggering Tactician, more efficient returns on Anger Managment

[shadow ibex]

wanting exe to have any value is not taking a huge direction

[teal fossil]

this

[smoky kayak]

ok but the thing you're suggesting is not adding "a little bit of value"
it's completely tilting value in favor of Exe > MS/etc

we literally already tried it for two tiers and it failed lol

[minor gust]

[shadow ibex]

and if not i think tier set shenanigans woulda been a good place to make MS feel better like slayer rb rn

[teal fossil]

i think colossus back then gained more value going into execute than slayer

[smoky kayak]

do you remember the execute phase gameplay?
Ravager -> Exe -> Exe -> Exe -> Exe -> Exe -> Exe -> Exe -> Exe -> Exe -> Exe

[shadow ibex]

again

tuning issue

[teal fossil]

no

that was design issue

[shadow ibex]

MS was awful i ns1

[smoky kayak]

tuning and design go hand in hand

[shadow ibex]

MS was terrible in s1

cmon man we had to stack 4pc and OP

that is 1000% tuning

[smoky kayak]

MS was terrible in Season 1

[dim basalt]

It was awful in terms of hitting like a wet noodle

[shadow ibex]

but again i would take some cool tier stuff like current RB fury slayer

[teal fossil]

1.9 per ms

vs 1.3 per exec

doesnt seem too terrible to me

[dim basalt]

Just because it did the most damage in the breakdown it doesnt mean it wasnt bad

[shadow ibex]

it needed 4 buffs man

cmon

[teal fossil]

how come we dont complain about op being op

doing 1.1 per cast

[dim basalt]

They buffed it by like what, 30% over the course of the patch?

[smoky kayak]

doesn't mean it was "terrible" either

[shadow ibex]

it was awful

[smoky kayak]

but again, they already fixed that problem

so why are we still complaining about it lmao

[shadow ibex]

i think fury RB stuff rn is what they should aim for

what it did to aoe is amazing

not even numbers just gameplay imo

[smoky kayak]

what it did to AoE is overpowered

[shadow ibex]

tier sets should change prio/gameplay imo and it does it perfectly

[minor gust]

Yeah idk what you're going off on this RB stuff

[smoky kayak]

TBF Colossus' tier is good for that as well

[minor gust]

I didn't do anything but make Slayer better number wise

And completely kill BT

[shadow ibex]

thats ok for the RB spec

[smoky kayak]

it's not as flashy, but it's def leaned Colossus hard into Demo damage (as it should have been from the start) and the bleed focus is actually pretty neat

[shadow ibex]

i think thats something a s3 tier set should do

[minor gust]

And it's ok for Colossus to rarely hit exe too

That's fine

[teal fossil]

ya slayer buffs didnt change slayer at all, except you just giga jam rb

instead of soemtimes BTing

[minor gust]

Makes things different between col and slayer

[radiant dawn]

It definitely feels weird to not hit execute as warrior but again not really a bad thing

[smoky kayak]

but yeah, the game needs diversity, more gameplay options is better for everyone

[shadow ibex]

so yea tier set should lean toward MS a lot

instead of 1 damn cast

[smoky kayak]

it gives non-meta chasers more things to try and potential to find one they really resonate with
it gives meta chasers more options in competitive content

[shadow ibex]

and also, it didnt change anything but change the prio

[radiant dawn]

The thing is that it provides all of your MS crits with a strong buff

Sure it doesn't make you crit 10 MS in a row

[smoky kayak]

even if they did all crit, is that really "changing the gameplay?" or just "bigger number?"

[radiant dawn]

But it makes your MS better to press

[empty sluice]

SL mortal combo would go hard with colossus

[shadow ibex]

i think CS on demo would have potential to

[radiant dawn]

Tier set that makes you play OSU for 7 seconds for DPS buff

[smoky kayak]

it would, though that is basically Exhil

[shadow ibex]

a scaling CS duration based on stacks or smth

[empty sluice]

ye except it costs global

[smoky kayak]

yeah but it's that or slam so...

[minor gust]

[smoky kayak]

Demo applying CS instead of its own unique debuff has been #1 on my wishlist for awhile, though you'd have to make it do something comparable (and not overpowered) for Prot too

[radiant dawn]

Demoralizes everyone it hits

[smoky kayak]

I mean maybe

[radiant dawn]

But it think that would be too strong

[minor gust]

Can be demo shout for prot

[crimson bone]

Hi sorry to interrupt I’m really new to arms just love the game play 😊

Can I check for opener during M+ AOE would you guys wait for 10 stack to demolish ?

[smoky kayak]

I'm not in-tune enough w/ Prot balance to make a suggestion right now, I'm just saying that you obviously need it to do something for Prot as well

[shadow ibex]

get stacks fast with sweep + ravager

[teal fossil]

how good is that really though? if you garuantee your demo to hit 30% harder, wont you have to nerf demo by x% to compensate

[smoky kayak]

generally yes, though if CS is falling off just send it <10

[minor gust]

Not really because you can already do that now

You just got a press demo shout

[shadow ibex]

it would be way more impactful for arms for sure

whole iftk thing

[smoky kayak]

it's not about dam, so much as to affect smoother gameplay

smooth out the mechanics and rotation first, then tune it as needed

[crimson bone]

What is CS

[crimson bone]

Ty

[candid pecan]

Counter strike

sry, it's Colossus Smash

[teal fossil]

we just give green leaves bad info out here

[crimson bone]

Ahh gotcha thanks a lot will try it on my next run 🙂

[shadow ibex]

its only really a problem for the first pull of a dungeon

after that u should have stacks going into any pull

[smoky kayak]

• Right now, Dominance of the Colossus causes Demolish to apply a debuff which increases damage taken by up to +1% per stack of Colossal Might (e.g. up to +10% damage) for 10s
• My intent is to replace that with Colossus Smash, allowing Demolish to apply 1s of CS per stack of Colossal Might (e.g. up to 10 seconds of CS on each target hit). Obviously, this should extend and stack with any manually cast Colossus Smash/Warbreaker
• Knowing that w/ this effect, Demolish will always be buffed by CS, you can then tune Demolish damage appropriately

The impact of this is that you'd never have to worry about aligning Colossus Smash w/ Demolish again, which is an average damage increase to Demolish and its follow on damage

[minor gust]

Thats another QOL we need fucking increase stack duration to 1 min like ID

Fucking 24 sec sheesh

[shadow ibex]

and also

make them increase your size 1% per stack

[river ridge]

Also Auto Crit Chaos Bolt Scaling Pls 🙏

[shadow ibex]

that's my balance contribution

autocrit scaling with the amount of crit amp we have

https://tenor.com/view/tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-you-sure-about-that-gif-22429959

[smoky kayak]

that was my idea way back in alpha; they tried it, but found that frequently rescaling player size causes the camera to continually zoom in and out in a way that's disorienting

[shadow ibex]

that would be a tough sell

[river ridge]

Atm its a big feels bad to have one pull do several million more damage cuz you crit, and then next pull it doesn’t.

[smoky kayak]

I think a "Demolish always crits and gains increased damage based on the amount of critical strike" could be an interesting bonus talent, again lending a little bit of consistency to the effect (and making it better w/ Spear, should it stick around)

It also kinda leans into all the crit amps that Arms/Colossus has

[shadow ibex]

feel like they would remove critamp else where