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#arms
toxic elm
vital night
❤️
dire hinge
there was that one blood dk with no hands who played with 4-panel footpad and a joystick. Dude gets all my respect
pearl wind
im just saying for me, do w/e is good for u
smoky kayak
I started tanking some keys and all I learned is that if you roll your face across the keyboard, you're practically invincible
you also can't lose threat and out dps a surprising amount of players in the process 
wet magnet
the humble five-button-mouse-haver
dire hinge
I started tanking some keys and all I learned is that if you roll your face acro...
yeaaaah, it's pretty cozy. I swapped to the "Shield Slam extends shield block duration" talent and you can get away with a lot of tomfoolery when you dont have to manage your uptime that much 😂
no idea what half the buttons do, but also i dont die soooo
spiral coral
I thought outlaw has been broken since like legion (in a bad way)
radiant dawn
they need to add a fourth warrior spec that has no weapons and is in fact a psionic warrior who has no spell effects or animations
smoky kayak
yeaaaah, it's pretty cozy. I swapped to the "Shield Slam extends shield block du...
I was told to just macro SBlock to SSlam and hold the key down lol
radiant dawn
projecting negative energy into the minds of my enemy
dire hinge
I was told to just macro SBlock to SSlam and hold the key down lol
you might be thinking of Guardian Druid, where you macro iron fur into literally every single one of your abilities and you never think about it (you can clear 3k io without pressing it manually)
rapid bronze
yeaaaah, it's pretty cozy. I swapped to the "Shield Slam extends shield block du...
I always find it easier to do more prot than fury when arms is down just because prot are like that neurosurgeon cousin you have that everyone is a bit intimidated by and fury is your high school buddy who is always on drugs and is a good hang but you don’t want to spend time with his friends
rapid bronze
I was told to just macro SBlock to SSlam and hold the key down lol
lol is this actually true?
dire hinge
haha i wouldn't recommend it, you'll run out of block charges rapidly
the iron fur thing is real though, it's disgusting
and it's your only uptime defensive so it literally turns bear into a dps rotation
rapid bronze
Meanwhile I did a 14 priory key with a Bdk buddy and those guys are down bad the yo-yoing hp gave the shaman a heart attack
He just explodes every pull lmao
minor gust
i mean thats just blood
dire hinge
if a blood dk dies it's their fault 
the shaman is there for moral support
minor gust
thats how they work
rapid bronze
No I know but he was panicking a lot more than usual
smoky kayak
haha i wouldn't recommend it, you'll run out of block charges rapidly
Yeah but the timers extend so you basically have 100% uptime anyway
with shield charge on top
rapid bronze
Doesn’t it work like avatar sweeping strikes when you have it talented and then you press SS and it just adds the duration?
latent moss
if a blood dk dies it's their fault <a:hmmNod:940376932560822372> the shaman is ...
true
trampoline hp is just their design
and people playing bdk love that design
and tbh it is fun
legit if u die its ur fault
devout pewter
Fun detected
wet magnet
wdym we got one
dire hinge
we dont need buffs 
glacial rapids
Is it getting to that time we do the discord shutdown thing to get buffs yet?
We will never. Just unga bunga your way to glory without begging for buffs like a true warrior.
dire hinge
we're still at one of the most closely balanced points in WoW (ever), just beacuse we're at the bottom of a list isn't a bad thing
it's not like MoP warlock 😂
radiant dawn
Yeah it might feel bad to be lower on the tiers but if you don't think you can't feel bad
So just don't think
Just play and vibe
minor gust
after the last buff for arms its dmg is fine.
What needs to happen now is the top end needs to come down a lil now
glacial rapids
Or just buff execute for arms only
latent moss
what would that accomplish
languid burrow
wdym we got one
missing "in PvP combat"
wet magnet
bad joke, maybe
languid burrow
which part? your comment or the class?
wet magnet
😔
dry frost
We will never. Just unga bunga your way to glory without begging for buffs like ...
True
Topping the charts as Arms feels so good
wet magnet
I always gravitate towards underdogs, so it works out
rapid bronze
It’s pretty great to feel like you know your class and play it well and end up beating most people you group with in lfg as a warrior
wet magnet
🙏
rapid bronze
But then sometimes you queue up with competent people and it just doesn’t matter you will lose to the frost dk
wet magnet
snort
outer forge
gonna cry myself to sleep my my discontinued logitech mmo mouse shits the bed
dull dock
gonna cry myself to sleep my my discontinued logitech mmo mouse shits the bed
They still sell it in Asia so you can find them on eBay
outer forge
yeah? ill take a look
dull dock
yeah? ill take a look
Yup! They’re a little more spendy, like $80-$90 usd but if that’s the one you like might be worth it. Otherwise the scimatar was a good substitute for me
dull dock
scimitar, that's razer?
Corsair
outer forge
right on
rapid bronze
I use scimitar too and it’s pretty great
Took like 5 years before I had to replace it as well because the middle button started getting finicky
dull dock
Yea and the scimatar’s side buttons are adjustable so you can adjust it to be more comfortable for your finger length
rapid bronze
Yeah the panel slides back and forth
Doesn’t it have more buttons than the Logitech equivalent?
dire hinge
hi @dull dock 
dull dock
Doesn’t it have more buttons than the Logitech equivalent?
Technically it has the same side buttons but the Logitech has that 3rd click button on top
dull dock
hi <@223282365395369995> <a:Wave:1202408799215030314>
My man!!! How are you brother
dire hinge
finally moved into the new spot, slowly coming online again 📈
had to spend this week with the PC off bc the amount of sunlight i was getting caused the interior to spike to 85F indoors.
got some nice curtains, back down to 72F already
dull dock
Hopefully that keeps those PC temps down!
icy thistle
during ravager window with merciless bonegrinder talent, do we ever add in cleave in ST rotation?
regal citrus
for pve, where do you ideally wanna be sitting around for stats? i know crit and haste are priority
spiral coral
dreamy wasp
is there any chance they shift our damage around so we're not absolutely ruined if execute stacks fall off for any reason?
glacial rapids
So. Do fury players have to wait two more weeks for another spark to craft thier off hand? Excuse my ignorance.
nova marsh
https://www.wowhead.com/news/boomkins-buffed-without-closing-class-discord-upcoming-class-tuning-378433?utm_source=discord-webhook Wowhead is taking the piss out of rets
I love it
shy dagger
Im loving the slayer m+ build
strange perch
With the changes to slayer is it the better build now? For both fury and arms?
shy dagger
Not sure about pure numbers, but im doing better than colossus, damage on bosses is pretty big and overall im beating most of the specs
And feels better to play
strange perch
Woot I’m so happy to hear that. slayer was always my preferred hero spec but I just did more on colossus. Now I can’t wait to log in and try it on both fury and arms.
dreamy wasp
is there any chance they shift our damage around so we're not absolutely ruined ...
feels like everytime i get forced out to do mechanics in raid execute stacks fall off and so does my damage
smoky kayak
is there any chance they shift our damage around so we're not absolutely ruined ...
yeah, play something else 
dreamy wasp
unholy is pretend big sword man
dreamy wasp
i haven't really played retail in a long time, is frost still a lottery spec?
i haven't played frost since cata was new sorry lol
dreamy wasp
feels like a lot of specs are kinda piano specs now
haste reducing cd's/gcd's is kinda nuts
arctic breach
Hey gang, new(er) arms raider here. How much Haste is enough? % for a Raid and M+ build? Or is there no such thing as TOO MUCH Haste.
wooden lava
the one big issue is that the third click doesn't exist on any other mice
wooden lava
indeed
also the razer naga is actually really good
the only issue is that it's Razer
meaning it's likely going to have an issue within 1-2 years
outer forge
had one of those, it lasted like a year
wooden lava
most likely scroll wheel
yeah
the shape, clicks, etc.
are all great
QA is nonexistent because Razer is full of pdfs
wooden lava
i use this lol https://www.logitech.com/en-us/shop/p/mx-vertical-ergonomic-mouse
wtf bro
pearl wind
i need it
void bay
i use this lol https://www.logitech.com/en-us/shop/p/mx-vertical-ergonomic-mouse
I use this keyboard (also need it):
they stopped making it so idk what i will do when this breaks
pearl wind
plenty of similar keyboards
void bay
tried loads, this just fits perfect
dry frost
I have thought about trying one of the keychron barebones Ergo boards
nova marsh
It's jover
harsh heron
are we still the better AoE spec? i sim at nearly 19mill while fury only at 17
slow saddle
"Only"
I mean u prob still are
But id take fury any day of the week
Consistent high aoe, but also with amazing boss dmg ( prio tsrget dmg)
bright whale
Considering leveling/playing arms as main for endgame contents worth it or play dh or fdk ?
subtle vessel
Is there like a single target raid build that people use for progging myth bosses where you don't get into execute range yet?
slow saddle
Considering leveling/playing arms as main for endgame contents worth it or play ...
Kek
Fury or fdk or dh atm
Or prot
U got 2 very strong warrior setups and then arms
bright whale
Cant play high apm though
hasty pumice
For PvP
slow saddle
In pvp🥲
hasty pumice
Bro this is dogshit
hasty pumice
With the changes to the slayer set there's no reason to play it
bright whale
Idm but why google ai recommending me arm warrior with obr is better
hasty pumice
I'm tilted
hasty pumice
Welp time to suck it up and get good at slayer for big pulls
bright whale
just wsnted loe apm melee spec n all come down to arms
bright whale
just not fun for me
bright whale
guess dh till devourer spec
smoky kayak
yall really act like someone is holding a gun to your head over a 3-5% dam difference
halcyon valve
I tried slayer arms in a key two days ago
Went right back to colossus after
Whats the point of playing arms if you dont do big demolish
balmy kindle
I tried slayer arms in a key two days ago
Went right back to colossus after
What...
based and true
untold pewter
No reason to play anything other than slayer fury
Fury has the worst possible playstyle in this game, to me there's no bigger reason to stay the hell away from it
lofty pulsar
yall really act like someone is holding a gun to your head over a 3-5% dam diffe...
You can’t be serious. We’re behind 20% on single target. The spec that has a giant 1 handed weapon slaps like a noodle on anything less than 10-15 targets.
lofty pulsar
20% behind in one area, 3% ahead in another. Math ain’t math in
smoky kayak
3% multiplied across 10x as much combat time
lofty pulsar
I’m not in high enough keys where it matters but this stuff does
earnest imp
If you want to stick to one spec forever, you are just asking to be sadge
smoky kayak
Anyway, you can go look at the stats but I ain’t doin your homework for you; it really ain’t as stark as you think
lofty pulsar
Anyway, you can go look at the stats but I ain’t doin your homework for you; it ...
Okay you’re right it’s only like 200K so I’m overreacting for sure
halcyon valve
200k isnt much in a time where we do 5m
rapid magnet
Behind in one area, ahead in another
petition to make sims not have juggernaut at max stacks the whole sim
since its extremely unlikely during actual raid fights and the hunters and boomies actually get buffs when they fking cringe the sims
thick kelp
sims dont have jugg at max stacks the whole sim
rapid magnet
this is stack count no?
smoky kayak
this is stack count no?
see the words on the left
thick kelp
Most recently saw my quick sim dropping it at 13 stacks
smoky kayak
its showing you an average across all iterations
rapid magnet
it shows 50% uptime at 15 stacks
smoky kayak
go into the sample sequence table and you'll see where its falling off (in that specific example sequence)
thick kelp
The bigger problem is that the sim is glued to the target
and doesnt take in account losing uptime
and losing uptime = losing SD procs
rapid magnet
dropping juggernaut when ur on fractillus is the real cringe shit
no lost uptime just lost sanity
smoky kayak
just juggernaut things
slow saddle
Only 15 stacks to rebuild😅
quick badge
Good thing you can wipe the raid easily on fractillus if that happens 😈
slow saddle
Yup
weak rain
I feel like arms should be like 3% ahead of fury on pure st, not the other way around. Cuz fury has insane cleave ability without needing to drop st(looking at you reap the storm)
slow saddle
I feel like arms should be like 3% ahead of fury on pure st, not the other way a...
But ye a decent enough adv to account for jugger randomness // less tanky
Not as good at cleave
weak rain
at this point I don't really care about jugg, because surely, surely warrior trees are getting rework in midnight(RIGHT?). I just want arms to be good and playable. I am progging salhadar and there is literally 0 argument to bring in arms. My guild is pretty open minded and they let me decide which spec is better(I played colo on soul hunters for example), but yea, even thinking about arms for salhadaar/dimensius is trolling imo
weak rain
It would be ok, if arms was better at pure st
weak rain
cuz fury does better at st, tankier and does infinitely better at intermission
so...
yea
weak rain
nah at salhadaar its impossible to die as fury, you can reflect claws and even tank frontal, also last tick of big dot
slow saddle
So banish?
weak rain
yep
slow saddle
And u reflect when u get claw?
Im in a super duper low tier guild
We just started mythic
We have ppl in 701 gear
weak rain
yes, claw, big dot last tick(banish) and tank frontal(cone one) are all deflectable
slow saddle
Sagde
Give us reflect
🥰
But ye thats giga
So u sr 2 seconds into banish?
Or how long does it last
weak rain
i just sr at 4.9s left of banish
slow saddle
Oki cant member how ling it is
slow saddle
Ahh
Again low tier guild hc as fury nothin hurts
🤣
But sweet. Anything that can make me improve
weak rain
Hopefully we will see insane surge of fury slayers so blizz notices how shitty arms is compared to this
weak wave
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n5BTq3sQb377KfWRHN6LX5
How can this sim be correct? Mastery and vers are our two least effective 2nd stats.
weak rain
mastery is good, you just have low mastery/versa thats it
swift crown
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n5BTq3sQb377KfWRHN6LX5
How can this sim ...
You're so close to getting it
Stat prios are extremely rough guidelines and 'bad' stats are generally not far behind
weak wave
Alright, thanks
void bay
Alright, thanks
as you got more of one stat, the others go up in value...sometimes you need to reach a certain break point first, but thankfully that is very very rare in retail compared with classic
slow saddle
Breakpoints arent real in retail
Robot is
Robot decides when u need more of 1 stat
thick hamlet
genuinely surprised there were no buffs for arms, but even more so for frost mage
i suppose it's because arms players can go fury while frost mage can play another spec
while boomkin has no other ranged spec
sharp wyvern
its almost like thats meant to be a ST buff
weak rain
just give us 10% ms, 10% execute, 20% troar, is it much to ask for?
slow saddle
i suppose it's because arms players can go fury while frost mage can play anothe...
Frost mage isnt rly that bad
Arcane is just that strong
No good mage plays frost
short oasis
so, with the new fury buff, how cooked is arms again?
sharp wyvern
No good mage plays frost
but all bad mages play arcane
slow saddle
In m+?
slow saddle
but all bad mages play arcane
All mages
If u are so bad u dont know arcane is king u mby play frost
spiral coral
I just realized I’ve raided on my mage and not my warrior this week 
What am I becoming
spiral coral
I do
Just pretend I’m warrior that can shoot shit and teleport and self heal and zoom around
wind plaza
Just pretend I’m warrior that can shoot shit and teleport and self heal and zoom...
So a Paladin
shadow ibex
soubinder pad inflates arms dmg so we wont get buffs
We'll end up exactly where we were at before 8%
Around aug and some rogue and mage spec no one plays
slow saddle
Around aug and some rogue and mage spec no one plays
Facts
Like look at arms remove thay 1 fight
eager sigil
very nice tuning
have you seen yargis gear? lole
spiral coral
So a Paladin
Fucking gross dude
Never
https://tenor.com/view/never-ever-talladega-nights-will-ferrell-ricky-bobby-gif-18131015057981089858
balmy kindle
Changes in midnight surely 
noble swallow
Y’all slaying or demolishing in your weekly +10s?
balmy kindle
good gif 
solemn fractal
mild dagger
so, with the new fury buff, how cooked is arms again?
Wondering the same. As long as it’s close I am Arms, but I’m not so stubborn that I won’t switch if it’s dramatic. Getting tired of falling further behind on the overall damage from my buddies as our lvls go up.
weak rain
Wondering the same. As long as it’s close I am Arms, but I’m not so stubborn tha...
Fury miles ahead imo
you don't lose much on aoe and your st is fucking insane
I am arms nerd, but playing arms is trolling again imo
vestal spade
Is it best to sim Dungeon Slice for M+?
slow saddle
Id say feely craft + sim st
vestal spade
Id say feely craft + sim st
feely craft?
minor gust
Wondering the same. As long as it’s close I am Arms, but I’m not so stubborn tha...
Play it if you want and you shouldn't be falling behind on overall because col arms still fucks in AOE. Fury is just better cuz the spec is just doing insane consistent dmg great ST and good AOE the whole dung. But if for some reason you're an overall Andy and that's all you care about col arms will do just fine. But for serious high key pushing fury is going to be to goto because of ST
hybrid carbon
nah you still boost fulltime for money as a job bro... its okay, embrace it... it won't make warrior discord consider you "less of a big deal" https://raider.io/characters/us/sargeras/Zhaipala
mild dagger
Play it if you want and you shouldn't be falling behind on overall because col a...
It’s not like that. I typically only run with friends so it’s the same people every time, not trying to impress or anything. Just noticing the higher keys we do with higher ilvls the bigger their overalls jump compared to me. It’s not a huge difference, but the relative difference.
I’d rather never play fury tbh, but I did season 1 because the damage contribution from me for the group was much better than when I was arms that season. So i was just wondering if it was becoming like that again.
slow saddle
Overall u can hold ya own as col arms 100€
mild dagger
Cool cool cool. I wasn’t worried about it until i saw someone suggest fury got buffed. Happy stick with where im at
minor gust
It’s not like that. I typically only run with friends so it’s the same people ev...
If you're just playing with friends col arms will do fine for the rest of the season. If your going down in overall your prob doing something wrong. Hard to tell without seeing your gameplay. Fury is gonna be the goto for title pushing but arms will do good in high keys just fine
Col aoe still cranks
mild dagger
For clarity, my overall keep doing up, just relative to some of classes I don’t feel I’m scaling as much. Not saying I’m unhappy with where I’m at
thick kelp
Cool cool cool. I wasn’t worried about it until i saw someone suggest fury got b...
Against what specs are you falling behind in keys
minor gust
If one of your friends could go more ST/prio focus since arms is lacking there
That would help balance thins out
mild dagger
Against what specs are you falling behind in keys
Our typical dps spec are arms, ret, boomkin, BM. The only one I jokingly compete in overall with is my Ret buddy. Not even ashamed by that, homie is pink and orange parsing almost every time. I usually end in second.
mild dagger
Ya, he’s the one that is scaling higher than me too. As we go up in ilvl it feels like every 1 dps increase I do he does 1.5 to 2.
But I’m also super rusty this season not playing as much so a lot of that is on me.
minor gust
Ya, he’s the one that is scaling higher than me too. As we go up in ilvl it feel...
You can get the idea of scaling out of your heard doesn't really exist anymore. Hasn't for a long time
astral yarrow
😮 the s word
teal fossil
Ya, he’s the one that is scaling higher than me too. As we go up in ilvl it feel...
ya warrior don’t scale anymore
We don’t get dev pity
That’s the most powerful form of scaling
granite coral
I’m having fun in keys. Stomping on mages in overall and big cleave feels good
minor gust
nimble jetty
hey i have question is arms realy that bad that you cant play him on m+? is that true ?
i saw that hes not s tier ofc, but is that true hes unplayable on mythic?
slow saddle
Arms is fine
nova marsh
Arms is fine
That dosen't fit my doomer pill
slow saddle
Yup
smoky kayak
Arms is completely fine; ain't on top of the world, but not close to the bottom either
nimble jetty
thanks for answers
rapid bronze
Arms feels great in bigger pulls than fury with those big numbers in more dense dungeons imo
Ecodome and floodgate esp
lean wraith
has anybody tried colossus in the ST fights?
minor gust
Why would you
smoky kayak
has anybody tried colossus in the ST fights?
na it's pretty down bad in raw ST
shadow ibex
"Arms is fine"
"Has anyone played one of our hero specs in a popular scenario"
"Lol its so bad why would you do that"
"Arms is fine"
lapis osprey
for a 710 is okey overal of 8 million in priory?
slow saddle
"Arms is fine"
"Has anyone played one of our hero specs in a popular scenario" ...
If col was best in st... id love that
Rebuff 4p
lean wraith
@minor gust @smoky kayak I just like colossus a lot more
was hoping i could do it
my dps as st slayer isnt amazing, but the aoe damage as colossus is great i was just wondering if there was a viable st build
🙁
rough grotto
arms feels fine on packs but once i hit a boss im doing tank damage 
minor gust
my dps as st slayer isnt amazing, but the aoe damage as colossus is great i was ...
Viable is a pretty loaded term. I would say fun is the most important thing. If the content your doing isn't that intense like pushing for CE or pushing title for M+ then play what's more fun to you.
If you like col more than slayer full send col in raid who cares.
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715 check for a ST raid build for Colo in here if there isn't any or can't find it I can put one together for you when I get home from work later
slow saddle
But like most fights has some adds u can leech
But playing col on frac might be takin it a bit far
😅
sacred zodiac
i will apply to your guilds and replace you if you play col on frac
slow saddle
Roboted by spongie
sacred zodiac
someone has to do it
unkempt wren
Tbh, I've felt like trying Colossus out on the side gle target fights just for the fun of it. But I'm in a casual guild of friends and we only push AotC. I mean, an arms warrior is currently always in top 3 on our meters, so we arent full of the most skilled people lol
Gunna do me a Fract colossus next week just cuz
minor gust
Fun > all especially in a casual guild of friends
Get drunk goto raid blast have a good time
rapid bronze
Goddammit no you shall parse
Honestly lol this disc is full of a bunch of us one tricks who play this class and spec through thick and thin just blast with your homies who cares about optimal
unkempt wren
I wanna be optimal in how I chose to set up. Or rather, do well even when suboptimal
rough grotto
So if arms is so down bad in keys why don’t we play slayer to try and shore up our bad ST
latent moss
So if arms is so down bad in keys why don’t we play slayer to try and shore up o...
u can
slarms isnt as bad as people make it out to be
rough grotto
Right but doesn’t slayer not do as bad on ST for some aoe loss
latent moss
no
st is a lot better
but aoe is worse yes
its basically a lot worse slayer fury
rough grotto
For more buttons
Oof
Like the class fantasy is dope, the buttons feel good to press. Just the damage ain’t there
latent moss
i disagree on everything
lofty pulsar
It’s just mid/bad in ST
i feel like skullsplitter makes us competitive on single target at times
rough grotto
Idgaf about tactics. Swinging big sword
lofty pulsar
exactly
latent moss
then go fury it swings 2 big swords fast and it does damage
rough grotto
Fury makes my hands hurt
latent moss
slayer arms isnt much slower
u can also just drop some haste as fury and take vers/mastery
and be fine
rough grotto
Cries in having 28k haste from gear
latent moss
ye i mean slayer arms wants haste the most as well
latent moss
and when u wb a target below 35 u get 20% haste and basically match fury haste
even with 10% iftk slayer arms is fast
latent moss
i mean no warrior spec is low apm
colo arms isnt slow either
thane fury with powerful enrage
minor gust
So if arms is so down bad in keys why don’t we play slayer to try and shore up o...
I mean arms isnt really down bad in keys especially after the 8% buff. Colo still cranks in aoe just bad boss dmg which isn't even that bad
indigo narwhal
hey yall, im on my arms warrior alt, and got Maw of the Void. how much extra power do i get for empowering it from corpses?
indigo narwhal
ohhh i see, thanks so much!
short oasis
I am arms nerd, but playing arms is trolling again imo
Which build are you playing on arms?
I been testing out critcakes build which uses bleed in colossus tree instead of cleave buff, and i been doing pretty good on both aoe and st
weak rain
Which build are you playing on arms?
arterial bleed in m+ colossus, 1-2-6 bosses st slayer, 3-4-5 arterial bleed colo(with some funky swaps here and there) in raid
I don't think colo in m+ ever worth it with current slayer fury
In raid only 5th is better for arms imo
minor gust
I mean is fury gonna be way better especially if going for title yeah but colossus can still do dmg it's not unplayable it's just not better than fury which isn't a big deal considering how good fury is right now
green geode
anyone got some nice builds for colossus in raid
rapid bronze
Like for the MT bosses or single target bosses?
green geode
ST and Cleave
weak rain
I envy frost dk tbh, both deathbringer(big numba) and rider are good and competitive for both solo target and aoe
why can't we have that
gusty nymph
I been testing out critcakes build which uses bleed in colossus tree instead of ...
Can you link critcake built? I could not find it
short oasis
Can you link critcake built? I could not find it
CcEArbixk/ZKwTdpZGVHeylmLghZmxMmxMz2stsMmBAAAYw0wMzyYGGLjZmxmZmhZwwAAAAAAAwMmtBDYLGwmZMsBDMj2oBsAA Its this one
There are 2 variants, one with strenght of arms, and one with Skull splitter
SS is kinda nice with this build, but it bloats up ur bars even more, so i use str of arms more often
weak rain
smoky kayak
seeing my memes out in the wild 
smoky kayak
SS is kinda nice with this build, but it bloats up ur bars even more, so i use s...
put it on your execute bind, you're not using it anyway 
short oasis
Sometimes, on bosses from time to time
smoky kayak
counterpoint: you're playing Colossus, ain't gonna tell the difference anyway lmao
glacial rapids
counterpoint: you're playing Colossus, ain't gonna tell the difference anyway lm...
smoky kayak
nova marsh
Actual peak gameplay
You press one button and 5 bajillion procs happen and things die
glacial rapids
I...hate...idol...
fossil thistle
Just got it, i hated puzzle box so i don't wanna use idol either x)
using antenna and sac atm
glacial rapids
I don't like any trinket that makes me do something or pauses my combat.
But antenna is nice
pearl wind
at least stone idol does damage too, 2.5% of my overall just from the trinket frontal hit
nova marsh
Yes it does
smoky kayak
Fury owns.
celest forge
Is it even feasible to get it geared up
No way man, you'll only have 5 months and one week left to play it. Why even bother??
smoky kayak
should just wait for midnight tbh
celest forge
If you didn't get full tier and hero on day 1 of m+ why even log in?
granite coral
should just wait for midnight tbh
Wait for last titan at this point
regal wharf
If you didn't get full tier and hero on day 1 of m+ why even log in?
Ngl it feels like that sometimes
bright whale
open bridge
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wil8yVbleS0
I think crit did 45+ in gambit first pull
smoky kayak
yeah but also four months and one season later 😄
slow saddle
🤣
shrewd fox
I shouldn't be too focused on maxing overpowers on MS/Cleave, instead just using 1 for resets yeah?
i.e.
(on pull) MS/Cleave -> OP -> MS/Cleave if available, if not OP again
wind lotus
So why doesnt bliz let arms do more damage like frost dk?
untold pewter
I shouldn't be too focused on maxing overpowers on MS/Cleave, instead just using...
Correct
wind lotus
It sucks to play correctly and still do bad damage
shrewd fox
Correct
Awesome, thanks. I'm still trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong in raid but I seem to do decent in m+
untold pewter
It sucks to play correctly and still do bad damage
Imo it neither sucks to play correctly nor does it do "bad" damage, it's very little behind Fury and personally idc about how it compares to the other classes cuz I'd not swap out of warrior anyway
If you do care about other classes and balance, might as well just meta slave
shrewd fox
Does OP's effect apply to all MS during bladestorm or nah?
untold pewter
Cuz sometimes arms owns, sometimes arms is just alright
Right now we're just alright, and that's still perfectly fine for all content minus the endless scaling hamster wheel that is pushing the highest m+ (and arguably still fine there too)
untold pewter
Does OP's effect apply to all MS during bladestorm or nah?
Yes for the first cast
shrewd fox
Yes for the first cast
Okay, cool. I was worried I missed out on a lot of damage like it was NS-> convoke for rdruid
wind lotus
If you do care about other classes and balance, might as well just meta slave
I dont hop mains but I have moved on
I don't think Arms has been strong since I started playing again back in DF
Before that, I quit after SL S1 because I couldnt get invited to anything
untold pewter
I've played Arms every season since and never ever felt like I was inting my groups
I do not run on that hamster wheel though, only mythic CE raid and 3k score for the rewards cuz I despise m+
boreal quartz
Before that, I quit after SL S1 because I couldnt get invited to anything
missed s2 sl arms
criminal
absolute @obtuse copper
always miss the op iterations
untold pewter
Getting invited is mostly on player perception and the player base has ant brains
You either meta slave or make your group/get recognized for your skills/add people to play again etc etc
obtuse copper
absolute <@109408756164485120>
WHAT
boreal quartz
you always quit when the spec is fun or good
obtuse copper
Real and true
boreal quartz
man my sub runs out today till legion remix 
unfort legion remix is current expac gameplay with the weapon
not legion arm
untold pewter
Legion Arms 
My only gripe with arms rn is juggernaut
Imo juggernaut should only drop out of combat 
Make it a proper single target talent
Old warrior soul style
halcyon valve
Make it 1% per stack, stack infinitely, and drop out of combat
By the end of a dungeon youll sit at 200% dmg execute
Easy win
obtuse copper
unfort legion remix is current expac gameplay with the weapon
Yeah ain't no way I come back for that
boreal quartz
Yeah ain't no way I come back for that
i am prolly playing it cuz mop remix was a blast
halcyon valve
Yeah plus cool transmogs
grave mulch
Arms buff when?
spiral coral
Arms buff when?
weak rain
vast helm
halcyon valve
Tbh give mortal strike and execute like 5% and were alright, not great but alright
fathom briar
Is fury the cool kid nowadays ?
astral yarrow
it is objectively the better dps warrior spec
but it also comes with added carpal tunnel syndrome
halcyon valve
it is objectively the better dps warrior spec
You are subjectively wrong
untold trench
Objectively speaking, there are falsehoods in both statements
halcyon valve
Philosophically speaking, its not false if i really believe it to be true
outer forge
My wrists have had plenty of exercise to prep for fury but damn does it make my fingies hurt
untold trench
Take it one level deeper, and it is all false information and nothing matters
halcyon valve
Psychologically speaking, never stop coping, stay delusional
outer forge
Why live in reality when we can mortal strike in delulu
sacred zodiac
My wrists have had plenty of exercise to prep for fury but damn does it make my ...
realtalk if you experience physical pain from playing you are doing something wrong setup wise or playing for wayy too long
outer forge
I’m old, and definitely playing for way too long
I did make some changes to my setup to improve ergonomics which seems to have helped tho, so that’s cool
hollow plover
My wrists have had plenty of exercise to prep for fury but damn does it make my ...
play powerful enrage then
outer forge
You’re not my dad
hollow plover
You’re not my dad
i will be once your fingies hurt
outer forge
harsh ore
is slayer arms troll for M+?//
sacred zodiac
it'll be good enough for whatever goal you set for yourself but you won't be timing world first keys with it
harsh ore
yall are funny, thanks!
heady shale
is slayer arms troll for M+?//
Remember that people take arcane mage for prio target, so you can also do that as long as group has X2 AoE blasters
Depends on key range ofc
spiral coral
If you’re playing slayer just play fury
Idk why you’d handicap yourself when they play about the same
quick badge
does fury offer the experience of losing 15 stacks?
sharp wyvern
fury only gets to lose 5
weak rain
and you don't really care if you happen to lose stacks, its much harder to lose them, cuz fury gets showered in sd procs and duration is 15 sec(opposed to arms' 12 sec)
lean wraith
guys whats a rough ballpark average of your st dps
say for fractillus, if you need a specific
sacred zodiac
idk you can sim your guilds fractilus fight length if you want
dim basalt
42
glacial rapids
Finally got the HOA trinket, when am I clicking it? 😄
1 second channel, use it when you charge in.
vestal spade
1 second channel, use it when you charge in.
So not after I cast Avatar?
rapid bronze
Cast it when mobs are gathered so it hits as many as possible for bigger crit buff
Then pop CDs and go ham
glacial rapids
So not after I cast Avatar?
I have it macro'd to Avatar. So on boss fights I hit it as I charge in then do the opener and hit the same button again for avatar. For m+ just send it when groups are gathered.
lean wraith
am i going crazy, last night i could swear i was getting about 8-10 seconds of no cd cleave every burst window
is that just me being lucky with procs?
i cant find anything in the talents but i swear it was every time i popped avatar and bladestorm
dim basalt
is that just me being lucky with procs?
yes
lean wraith
goddamn, it felt so consistent. i was certain we have this window of free cleave spam in the build
devout pewter
is there a way in raidbots "top gear" mode to compare two different options of gear, of which I don't have one yet?
Been using gear compare for that so far but as it's a legacy mode I fear it'll soon be discontinued
dim basalt
is there a way in raidbots "top gear" mode to compare two different options of g...
At the top of top gear you can add additional items via search, cant compare complete gear sets tho
devout pewter
ah nice thanks! just trying to see if wrist + weapon or wrist + belt is better for me before crafting
spiral coral
Weapon 99% of the time
dim basalt
Will likely be weapon
spiral coral
1% is if you have mythic already
dim basalt
Weapon dps just adds a ton of damage
devout pewter
hm, interesting then.. got a hero weapon from vault last week just cause I thought wrist belt was better
dim basalt
In that case a weapon will 100% be better
devout pewter
In that case a weapon will 100% be better
Bot says you're right. With armor banding and ascendance even over maw of the void @ 720.
Well I'm glad I asked
it's like 1% but whatever, I'm not seeing myself getting much mythic gear anyways
devout pewter
true, just picked any random weapon to have a 720 comparison to the crafted stuff
lean wraith
does anyone have maw of the void?
spiral coral
Ya
lean wraith
when you equip it can you use right away?
im wondering if i can macro the loot collect
spiral coral
I’ll be honest
I haven’t used its ability
And I replaced it quite quickly lmao
I don’t see why not tho
lean wraith
because a lot of items used to have a 30 sec cd once equipped till you can use 🙁
so im wondering if this uses that, i cant remember if best-in-slots did
yeah i dont mythic raid but a heroic one for aoe loot would be nice
sacred zodiac
does anyone have maw of the void?
maw of the void is a cosmetic item ye
or the on use is*
oh sorry didnt read up
lemme check it for u
i used to own it but cant item restore it sorry i will now explode
latent moss
i used to own it but cant item restore it sorry i will now explode
never owned skyreaver
W
sacred zodiac
never owned skyreaver
i have bad news bud
i think i owned it twice but never equipped so im semi safe
dry frost
so im wondering if this uses that, i cant remember if best-in-slots did
Best in slots did use trink global cd
spiral coral
It did
I really enjoy on-use weapons
I was raiding as my mage and IM A GIGA GAMER so I don’t read bis lists and I passed on the dagger not knowing its bis for mages lmaooo
fresh spire
sacred zodiac
<@164800371057754112>wtf manki
hello
sacred hatch
Hi, I have a question regarding Cursed Stone Idol. When should I use it in raid if it doesnt line up with Colossus Smash? Should I use it on CD with Avatar or hold it for next CS? thanks a lot
latent moss
avatar
spiral coral
Shouldn’t worry about it lining up with cs cause it should be lined up with av and cs should be lined up with av
sacred hatch
"should" but what if CS isnt lined up with av? should I just hold CS and pop it when av is on CD? or should it Just pop cs on CD and hold av for next cs?
spiral coral
So you’re going to have cs by itself at one point because it’s a 45 sec cd
Should be used immediately, and then it will be aligned with av. But, if you are out of sorts and it isn’t lined up best thing to do is just send it unless it’s like 8 secs or something
sacred hatch
im asking because Im using anger management so cs doesnt line up very often with av
spiral coral
Should never be holding really but yeah max to hold anything is like 8 secs max
pearl wind
so often i send WB and then i'm like " i need a statistically improbably sequence of MS resets right now for my demolish cd"
fossil thistle
so often i send WB and then i'm like " i need a statistically improbably sequenc...
You mean like my LFR warrior on fract that pressed MS 9 times in a row
fossil thistle
Legion Arms <a:tierlist:1260831970351517787>
Legion arms after 7.1*
devout pewter
Is simming for gems even good in Raidbots? It's just recommending the exact same gems for every slot in all variants.
Or should I just equip one gem, then sim again etc?
echo tendon
gem sims work fine if you're always being recommended the same thing that just means its the best option regardless of you change your gear
devout pewter
alrighty, it just made me wonder haha
night narwhal
Is simming for gems even good in Raidbots? It's just recommending the exact same...
Probably because you didn’t check the boxes in the raidbots options for gems
devout pewter
I have 12 variations of gems checked, so no
any combination of haste, crit, mastery and for funs included X + vers.
night narwhal
I have 12 variations of gems checked, so no
no
check these
and then compare the results
devout pewter
huh, let me check, thanks for the hint
night narwhal
huh, let me check, thanks for the hint
extremely high likelihood that the best combination is 1 str+0.15% crit meta gem + 1 of each of the 4 gems types, and then it'll fill in with whatever is best
shrewd fox
Do any of you realistically track marked for execution on ST bosses, or is it basically keep up juggernaut stacks and ignore MFE since you're not swapping targets anyway?
misty bridge
I track it yeah, but not visually but through audio 'kaching' sound
shrewd fox
I track it yeah, but not visually but through audio 'kaching' sound
That's the sudden death weakaura, yeah? I have that one too. Been trying to figure out where I'm messing up to parse so low in raid logs on patchwerk. My assumption is that I'm losing stacks somewhere and need to line up avatar with BS more
spiral coral
Shouldn’t be a time where av/bs aren’t being sent at the same time
shrewd fox
Shouldn’t be a time where av/bs aren’t being sent at the same time
Don't they desync through AM so you hold av when that happens?
misty bridge
That's the sudden death weakaura, yeah? I have that one too. Been trying to figu...
I think you're question goes beyond WA, you should do a log compare and see, perhaps share your log in #1347646810457636974 and get someone to look at it and give you pointers
shrewd fox
I think you're question goes beyond WA, you should do a log compare and see, per...
I tried and it got buried under 20 fury log requests lol
People aren't paid to look over that stuff anyway. I want to do the work and figure it out, I just don't know specifically how to check my stuff. Analyzer is giving me diametrically opposed ideas
I just wanna make sure I'm mostly doing things right, and though it's blue for all arms warriors, it's grey for ilvl on patchwerk fights which to me means there's some fundamentals I'm messing up on
dire hinge
let's take a look quick
also dont worry too much about ilvl parsing imho
i'll leave some notes in your review thread 👍
you mostly have it figured out from what I can tell in your own notes, just tidy up the opener and keep your Roar/Avatar synced together. Other than that, don't prioritize Exhilirating Blow resets during execute unless you have 2x EP stacks 🎉
smoky kayak
good guy Hrothmar, always helpin out
shrewd fox
also dont worry too much about ilvl parsing imho
I don't care too much about them outside of low mechs ST fights to make sure I'm contributing. If I'm parsing green or higher, it tells me I'm playing the game, you know?
shrewd fox
you mostly have it figured out from what I can tell in your own notes, just tidy...
Thank you, I appreciate it!
rapid bronze
man slayer fury feels cozier to play but I feel like I manage more overalls as arms
not sure if I'm doing it wrong
outer forge
arms has a slight edge in aoe for M+, so it's possible
jade ember
yeah really big pull dungos especially that makes sense
latent moss
not sure if I'm doing it wrong
yes
but overall is a cringe metric anyway
depends on key level pull size dungeon who ure playing with etc
if u have 3 specs that blast aoe and have bad st (arms)
ur overall will be low
u overkill giga hard on aoe and lack st so bosses take ages
also fury kinda requires u to do semi higher keys
burst is non existent
rapid bronze
yeah that's fair
minor gust
but overall is a cringe metric anyway
Say it louder so everyone hears
paper summit
do you NEED rank 3 Ironclaw Alloy to get max rank bracers?
paper summit
yeah, figured, thanks.
slow saddle
But then every recrsft reqs it
atomic mountain
hey guys. i am forced to play arms in raid... how similar is our priority/rotation to season 1 in neruba?
i am a bit behind in arms and want to perform better
dim basalt
"Forced to play Arms"?
atomic mountain
yes normaly playing prot but we have like 5 tanks
and i saied i dont play fury XD
atomic mountain
Its 100% the same as season 1 download weak aura follow prio
which wa
sudden fox
and i saied i dont play fury XD
Sounds like preference rather than force
grave mulch
do you NEED rank 3 Ironclaw Alloy to get max rank bracers?
That’s completely on the craftsman and you should be asking him that
edgy wasp
Is arms troll spec m+ all raiderio top 100 are fury when u filter for arms
Just wanted to see what some top arms run and there all fury
dim basalt
Not really troll no
void bay
too many trolls on this channel
misty bridge
Just wanted to see what some top arms run and there all fury
Filter by spec
edgy wasp
I did filter couldnt find any arms in the arms filter lol
minor gust
Is arms troll spec m+ all raiderio top 100 are fury when u filter for arms
Arms is fine. Just not much reason to play it when fury so good right now. Most warrior players play both specs but you will do just fine as arms if you hate fury
paper summit
the fury cleave and single target is closer to the same than it is for arms. People might just be lazy. Since arms is different stats. Might explain why most raiders are fury.
rotation is more similar mostly
Arms cleave if your playing colossus is harder to setup. Where as fury cleave is pretty much on demand.
daring heron
i can play both and see no reason to play arms
thick kelp
Legion Crit would play arms 💔
daring heron
spec is cooked
daring heron
legion crit would be playing legion arms so true
daring heron
true
slow saddle
i mean lets be honest since hero specs or what its called
fury has played better
even when arms was better
untold pewter
You'll still have people that can't stand playing fury and will still perform quite well on Arms regardless
minor gust
its ok because 12.0 long imgur rework is coming
dim basalt
It would be shocking if no rework ngl
fresh spire
Blizzard wtf why did you buff bm hunter and not nerf its ake
fresh spire
It would be shocking if no rework ngl
We are mega overdue. We likely will get a shake up of some sort
dim basalt
But surely theres a reason prot got one
minor gust
Fan of longswords in slayer tree
dim basalt
Im guessing they just happened to be done early with prot and pushed it out earlier
minor gust
fresh spire
Test the waters for 3 target execute for arms surely
fresh spire
Fan of longswords in slayer tree
Archi keeps saying he would love this to come back for fury so you ww less
Ngl I want it too
Turn arms into a meatgrinder from casting ms
3 butt sweep can spread them further and double dip
dim basalt
How bad is your connection Fishy
minor gust
Archi keeps saying he would love this to come back for fury so you ww less
it would be amazing jsut gameplay feel for fury and will make cds feel good cuz Archi wants it to only work in reck or ava. But arms would be funny too cuz I would assume it would cast cleave and not WW if talented
so cleave cast on ms cast
sounds poggers
fresh spire
I'm at work in staff room. Pretty much a deadzone
fresh spire
it would be amazing jsut gameplay feel for fury and will make cds feel good cuz ...
See even during cds it sounds badass
dim basalt
Also remove AM finally
fresh spire
Replace the sweep Warlords with it
minor gust
yeah imagine the SS interaction
minor gust
talent sounds like an arpg talent
paper summit
Mortal Strike sounds cooler than Bloodthirst anyway
minor gust
See even during cds it sounds badass
Fan of longswords would be awesome to but I still want S3 DF tier slayer talent where SD casts TC for arms and WW for fury
warped ether
What if cleave slammed every target instead of the main one
untold trench
It would maybe be a good button on enough targets, as it would be the only true uncapped button in the kit
How many? No clue. But prob around the 30 mark
weak rain
It's ok, Lorthemar was playing arms in the cinematic, so we get fat juicy rework
fresh spire
Fan of longswords would be awesome to but I still want S3 DF tier slayer talent ...
Hard agree
Should add it to colossus tree in one of the 3 new nodes
As it's bleed orientated
Then move jug to slayer tree
untold shuttle
Fan of longswords would be awesome to but I still want S3 DF tier slayer talent ...
genuinely so sad this wasnt the s4 set
oak kite
can somebody calm my unease for the past few days since they did something to reap the storm? i have been living with despair of impending doom. nerfbat. i do not want that please. is this hotfix or whatevevr official?
can i calm down or do i have to live with this
vast helm
https://tenor.com/view/frank-drebin-leslie-nielsen-naked-gun-funny-surprised-gif-7607922418988056124
candid pecan
@oak kite stop tweaking
we wont get nerfed, plenty of other strong specs in the game
if not stronger
also, since they're tuning based on raid performance, fury is in an ok spot, I don't really see them nerfing fury
oak kite
i want to believe
candid pecan
NGL, did +16 Halls yesterday with guild group and dealt 150M more dmg than frost dk on 1st boss 
, funnel goes hard.
fury warrior = melee arcane mage 
glacial rapids
NGL, did +16 Halls yesterday with guild group and dealt 150M more dmg than frost...
Fury propaganda 
gaunt owl
https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-cat-tweaking-cat-help-gif-15027370981305715566
kitty is having a demonic shit
sacred zodiac
https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-cat-tweaking-cat-help-gif-15027370981305715566
is that cat having a seizure wtf
candid pecan
not sure, just yoinked it from somewhere
spark prism
How is people's experience with Arms in the current patch? I know it considered bottom tier in the meta, but are people succesfully playing arms in M+ / raids?
limpid hornet
Tbh i tried Slayer Fury for some keys, switched back to Colossus Arms because i find myself doing better with it numberwise. I probably play like shit as Fury idk
balmy kindle
Been testing out using the bag trinket with sac brood instead of idol with sac for more ST, it's like a 1-1.5% st gain for 2-2.5% aoe loss, kinda works on higher key levels heh
wicked yoke
I’ve recently returned to the game and was under the impression that Arms was amazing in M+. Is Fury better? I’m a bit lost
outer forge
I’ve recently returned to the game and was under the impression that Arms was am...
both are strong in M+
fury does much better single target damage, arms does slightly better aoe
delicate mulch
I’ve recently returned to the game and was under the impression that Arms was am...
with the current fury buffs fury is looking to be the go to for the moment. But people are still playing with it
boreal remnant
I got bored
outer forge
that's awesome
radiant dawn
How is people's experience with Arms in the current patch? I know it considered ...
my experience is that I'm having fun as per usual doing col m+
only up to 15s though so ymmv
spark prism
Thanks a lot for the replies!
radiant dawn
in terms of how effective it is, say, versus fdk or fury
if you enjoyed both specs equally to arms and were equally as good you'd do slightly better (fury) and much better as fdk but
ultimately I don't like fury so I do worse on it and I haven't played fdk in forever so tbats out of the picture
lean wraith
yo guys, im tryna use today to work out why my dps is absolute dogshit in ST, when i'm geared. I'm thinking its me not knowing when i have execute stacks, what WA do you guys use?
dim basalt
yo guys, im tryna use today to work out why my dps is absolute dogshit in ST, wh...
Theres a WA in #dps-faq that makes a sound when you should use exe outside of exe-phase
lean wraith
ahh fuck, that will be of no use to me as i'm a no sound degenerate 🙁
thankyou very much though, i'll keep looking for a visual one
outer forge
it gives an icon too
radiant dawn
and even if it didn't, it's not a bad idea to poke around for a few minutes with WAs to figure out basic setup, see about modifying it to be more helpful to you
lean wraith
Yeah i've tried that before, it goes way over my head
I have grabbed it and made it bigger for my smooth brain
thankyou very muchf or the help
i did not have a clue about the stormbolt during bladestorm thing, just learnt that from the guide
glacial rapids
ahh fuck, that will be of no use to me as i'm a no sound degenerate 🙁
No sound degen, as in you're hearing impaired?
lean wraith
@glacial rapids Nah just adhd, but wow sound would drive me nuts from boredom
usually have a podcast or something on
dim basalt
You can have both
dim basalt
haha
dim basalt
Dynamic
lean wraith
niiiiiiice
lean wraith
I thought shadow did?
glacial rapids
Hmm. Video games are one of the few things that allows my adhd to fully lock in. Outside of that and reading im a ping pong ball.
lean wraith
im probably deffo wrong
dim basalt
Im not too sure, I know that they made snapshotting a mechanic for Feral
lean wraith
@glacial rapids i am forever astounded by how different our individual adhd can be 🙂
always hearing diff things from diff people
glacial rapids
<@427560163503898647> i am forever astounded by how different our individual adh...
lean wraith
Just looking at the ST build, 1 point in deft experience out performs skull splitter?
thats crazzzy
i wish there was a bleed based build that leans into it
i know many of you would hate that
boreal quartz
i know many of you would hate that
Idk man it's just 1 more keybind no actual different gameplay
That's the issue "bleed builds" have
sacred zodiac
I got bored
lmao
latent moss
That's the issue "bleed builds" have
ye cause arms bleeds arent real
its just fully passive
and rend is annoying to apply cause blood and thunder is capped
fast nebula
I got bored
got a link?
regal wharf
Hows arms doing
sacred zodiac
we're discussing whether we shut off life support
winter robin
Greeting fellow Arms warriors! I was wondering if anyone here would be interested in looking at some suggestions I've put together to send to blizzard for Arms warrior changes. It is a working progress and is a bit big so I wont send it on this channel. If people are interested I can send it to them directly.
My hope is to come with some good and easy points to blizzard about what makes Arms warrior troublesome and how it could be fixed and pray that they will listen.
And of course if anyone has some more suggestions let me know
halcyon valve
Are you cooking or are you coping
winter robin
Been thinking about this for a while and I assume there are more people that have some similar opinions
spiral coral
probably something that hasn’t already been posted on forums and shared here but send it
forest perch
Without needing to shut down the discord, how often to blizzard implement arms warrior changes based on feedback?
spiral coral
kill juggernaut, fix some nodes and yeah idk. I really enjoy arms and I dunno what much to do to it other than a few tweaks without making it feel foreign. Even folding sks into the rotation or anything played with on arms can make it feel very clunky very fast. But you streamline it too much and it just becomes… fury
So is it a tuning thing? Or a design thing?
spiral coral
Without needing to shut down the discord, how often to blizzard implement arms w...
i don’t think they listen at all tbh
and (imo) that’s a good thing
winter robin
So is it a tuning thing? Or a design thing?
a bit of both
Like I said, the plan is to hope and prey, but I really do think that the people who often times have the best insight of what is needed and not needed is the people playing the class for idk how many hours you have played on your warriors but I assume a lot ^^
halcyon valve
Theres nobody at blizzard working on warriors
At least it feels like thats the case
Fewest changes across the entire expansion
forest perch
And the tier bonus designer really loves overpower
Dragon flight tier set for arms was pretty decent
smoky kayak
Without needing to shut down the discord, how often to blizzard implement arms w...
as needed
fresh spire
They spin the big wheel with all the classes on it and buff which ever it hits
(arms and fury have like 1% total value of the whole wheel surface area)
halcyon valve
But 30% of the nerf wheel
nova marsh
Archis article made me smile lol
spark epoch
does overpower also work like fury with the tier set if i got dreadnaught
surely it works similarly
smoky kayak
it only triggers off of Overpower, not Dreadnaught
spark epoch
?
smoky kayak
so yes, it works the same way in the sense that it has two chances to proc during Sweep, rather than one
but it does not get a separate chance to proc per target hit (Cleave already does that)
halcyon valve
Nah
spark epoch
ok
smoky kayak
would be cool if dreadnaught sorta worked similarly
It might, but Arms already gets very reliable Reap procs through Cleave, because unlike Fury, it isn't limited to 5 targets
spark epoch
Yeah true didn’t think of cleave
But the cleave ones aren’t empowered by tier set right
I guess the sweeping strike overpower ones are tho ok. Didn’t mean to make a whole thing was actually just curious if deadnaught procced. Thanks
smoky kayak
They're not, but Arms was already beating Fury in multitarget damage too lol
fresh spire
for most part on big pulls cleave almost always reaps
spark epoch
Fair enough ya
fresh spire
it does equal out
smoky kayak
I'm not saying the mechanics are completely fair, just that they (were) achieving balance in a different way
spark epoch
Ya cleave being uncapped thing is very nice I don’t take that for granted
fresh spire
in comparison before fury used to do so much less reap damage even on st
spark epoch
Ya dang I can see that cuz it was just like literally a 20% chance from a single ability right
fresh spire
pretty sure like late beta testing fury barely did more than 2% with reap where arms was like 3x that
spark epoch
Ya dang
spark epoch
Haha
smoky kayak
sorry, best I can do is Slam
halcyon valve
Bring back colossal might stacks from execute
main wing
Make it interact with dreadnaught hits lol
thick hamlet
Bring back colossal might stacks from execute
but think of the spec identity
halcyon valve
more stacks = more demolish = more spec identity
vestal spade
Is there an addon which will show me how many targets have rend on them?
halcyon valve
very easy to make a weakaura for that yourself
templates -> debuffs -> rend -> set text to %1.unitCount
its not perfect but works well most of the time
crimson steppe
"We continued to see most classes move very close to our intended tuning targets in group content, with a few classes coming up a little short and requiring some more adjustments to bring them around" so according to this warriors are where they want them
big rework in midnight? 
slow saddle
Fury atm is fantastic
forest perch
big rework in midnight? <:hopium:839076769280557078>
placid knot
Skull splitter in floodgate 11
fossil root
whole warrior needs a remake, not just Arms.
cunning pond
Is a typical slayer build with rend worth trying?
thick kelp
Sure if u like slayer
cunning pond
Can't stand fury, but Colo losing so much ST is kinda wack, wanted to know if playing more towards it is inting
mortal niche
are there any non skullsplitter builds about? for either
thick kelp
Sure
mortal niche
are they grief?
thick kelp
no
mortal niche
just hate sks
thick kelp
Colossus can drop sks for SoA for -0.4%
olive nest
Just untalent skullsplitter
thick kelp
and Slayer just doenst play sks ever
olive nest
Ez
mortal niche
only reason I started fury was initially saw sks in a tree I looked at, ok
thick kelp
Can't stand fury, but Colo losing so much ST is kinda wack, wanted to know if pl...
You wont do the biggest overalls but your boss dam will feel more "relevant"
crimson steppe
https://tenor.com/view/dump-it-gif-26704933
fossil root
https://tenor.com/view/hesold-pump-it-gif-25254676
Just you see when instead of Warrior update, blizz released Titan-Slayer hero-class in TLT (plate + pair of 2h swords).
crimson steppe
exactly
fossil root
well, this is what data-driven game-design gets you.
hallow vale
whole warrior needs a remake, not just Arms.
Fury feels like one of the best designed specs in the game. You have 5 buttons and they all do their shit and their prio changes between builds and seasons.
Nothing fancy, just enough to get you going
fossil root
Same goes for prot and arms
hallow vale
Meanwhile arms had 3 rage dump fillers in df at one point.
And you had ignore pain for offense
hallow vale
Same goes for prot and arms
Nah. Arms looks like a beta spec out of a Kickstarter moba most of the seasons
Compared to other specs that is...
slow saddle
Agreed
smoky kayak
Meanwhile arms had 3 rage dump fillers in df at one point.
That's kinda Arms intent though; it's the opposite of Fury
- fury is mostly generators
- arms is mostly spenders
dim basalt
Fury feels like one of the best designed specs in the game. You have 5 buttons a...
Its the other way around, its horribly designed
slow saddle
Lol fury is awesome atm
thick kelp
That's kinda Arms intent though; it's the opposite of Fury
- fury is mostly gene...
Fury fast
Arms slow
smoky kayak
they've managed to focus Fury quite a bit more in recent patches, I'd say it's pretty solid right now (though still some issues, r.e. Onslaught/OF)
thick kelp
oh wait
slow saddle
Esp slayer