arms

[hasty pumice]

Maybe arms slayer or a mortal strike buff , but I doubt it

M+ arms is in a good spot now

[onyx rapids]

MS buff does sound nice

[hasty pumice]

Arms just struggles in ST mostly

[balmy kindle]

Makes up for being quite good in large pulls though

[hasty pumice]

Yeah but if you look at top specs, they're good in both mostly

A bit more ST wouldn't hurt

Especially for those who want to raid as arms

[thick kelp]

Arms cannot be good or ok in both at the same time cuz of our dogshit talent tree

[balmy kindle]

For sure, shame about our raid performance

colo having bad boss damage I swear is intended by blizz

Juggernaut die pls

[hazy flower]

Its prob the play in like gambit

Maybe db idk

Will see when I get back

[bleak fog]

How many sparks do we have by now?

4 or 5?

So found it out 😛

[thick kelp]

2.5

[hasty pumice]

Yeah but one can dream

Tho tbf I enjoy fury much more in raid anyways

I'm completely fine personally if arms is doomed to be the M+ spec, love that in M+ to bits. By far my favourite spec that I've played, it just feels sluggish in raid

[balmy kindle]

TBF being great in m+ , bad in raid >>> mid in both, m+ is like 90% of the season, most won't raid mythic

^^ mods

[cunning comet]

https://tenor.com/view/whatsapp-gif-25654051

[void bay]

^^ mods

[hasty pumice]

I heard @thick kelp is interested

Maybe DM him?

[thick kelp]

🗂️

[barren void]

For Liquid WA users, how do you disable everything on the screen if you only want it to be installed for possible assignments, do you just set the whole groups alpha to 0?

[hazy flower]

<@&257983573498265600>

[untold pewter]

<@&257983573498265600>

[halcyon valve]

Just set everything you dont want/need to Load: Never

If you set alpha to 0 its still gonna load and do stuff, you just dont see it. If its not loaded it wont have any impact

[sacred zodiac]

WhatsApp car does merit a mod ping

[fresh spire]

Replied to wrong message I guess

[swift crown]

Mods please ban spongie

@halcyon breach

[sacred zodiac]

protect me

[halcyon breach]

[atomic mountain]

what do we play in raid and what is different to the last 2 raidtiers

is it back to slayer? only saw it on wowhead

[fresh spire]

Same shit for arms

Fury presses sd way more now

[lofty pulsar]

bruh

ive grinded this cursed stone idol mindlessly on arms

still nothing

[fresh spire]

[grave mulch]

[eager sigil]

champion trinkets are same as hero for now

gg

[slow saddle]

Facts

[glacial rapids]

Slayer for majority of fights. Colossus for three-ish fights... it's in the dps section of this discord.

[slow saddle]

Tbh fury for most🤣

[fossil thistle]

You can play colossus on Soulbinder, Soul hunters optimally.
You can game it on Araz too

[lofty pulsar]

ima be honest my raid team doesnt stack the soul hunters well enough lol

do yall sim dungeon slice or patchwek

patchwerk

and does it even matter

[ionic reef]

so if i dont plan on raiding and just doing M+ is arms the better option or does fury still take the edge?

[spiral coral]

What you think is funner

[solid patio]

on mythic first boss is arms better than fury?

[ionic reef]

so it really doesnt matter number wise

[latent moss]

colo arms has the most aoe and the least st. thane fury and slayer arms have good aoe and good st. slayer fury has the least aoe but by far the most st

they are all good and playable

in terms of tankiness slayer arms < colo arms < slayer fury < thane fury

but its a warrior

so u re giga tanky by default

[ionic reef]

feels like arms overall for me does the most

atleast thats what it feels like which is why i am asking having a hard time desiding

deciding

[plush jacinth]

For the Arms Colossus build... Does the Single Target rotation change much from the AOE rotation? Just less cleave and replace with MS?

[spiral coral]

Play both and then play whichever you like more

I play and love all three specs

[latent moss]

in aoe u spam ms too

cleave>ms>tc until all targets have rend>op

on st ms>op>execute>slam

[weak rain]

nah st is sks>ms>op>execute>slam, assuming target is rended of course

[fossil thistle]

Doesn’t matter what spec you play if you never get invited to keys

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[pliant urchin]

quick question since i am new on warri, my friend told me there is a way for warri to get out of the cage in Streets 1st boss... Does it work with Berserker Rage?

[latent moss]

sks chatting

[misty bridge]

timing your Bladestorm, Human racial is also an option but that is not warri related

[hot current]

demlish also works, since you cant get stunned

[grim haven]

@boreal quartz hi

[boreal quartz]

Aloha

[cunning comet]

@latent moss @tacit crystal

[shadow ibex]

I used demo to immune last boss in floodgate

Still hurt tho

[silent saddle]

What are some other big brain demo immunes?

The stone mobs in HoA I think right, the ones that do the ring that stuns you if stay in it

[astral talon]

guys my arms warrior friend needs help

and jesus

[raven ivy]

@stuck pebble step up

[stuck pebble]

Stop this bullying while I am 4 meads in

[radiant dawn]

cinderbrew meadery was last season dude

you need to get into this season

[floral marsh]

Hi guys, with colo in m+, against how many targets do we start including cleave in the rotation? 2 (without sweeping), 3, more?

[warped spade]

Replaces slam at 2+ targets, MS at 3+ without sweeping(MS still close to 3 if you need prio), 5+ with sweeping. There is value in MS taking prio over cleave on more than 5 with sweeping if you want a faster demolish reset

[floral marsh]

Cheers mate

[minor gust]

Other guy overcomplicated it for no reason ignore sweeping it has no change in prio.
3+ Cleave > MS > TC ( all targets have rend) > OP
2Targets MS > OP > Cleave
1T MS > OP > EXE > Slam

[latent moss]

forgot execute over slam on st if castable chatting

[minor gust]

execute just so dog for col I didnt feel like including it

[latent moss]

[latent moss]

massacre is a bigger dps increase than ep

[minor gust]

which is a crazy thought

[shadow ibex]

how

[latent moss]

more tactician

[minor gust]

yee

[shadow ibex]

i was gonna say 35% of an MS is damn near an entire execute for colossus

[latent moss]

try pressing execute twice in a row as colo on st

without ct

and skyfury

[shadow ibex]

idt you would ever stack it to x2

just in the rare offurance u do exe

[lime ruin]

Pretty sure execute on colossus just acts as slam filler when below 20% hp

[shadow ibex]

yes mass doesnt change that

nor does EP

[lime ruin]

but its nice when you need to line up CDS with anger management

[shadow ibex]

its prio should stay the exact same

with ep and mass

ct or skyfury dont change anything

[minor gust]

APL might be set up to do EP rotation whenever its talented

instead of the normal replace slam for col

[shadow ibex]

yea thats probably the problem

if APL is actually doing ep x2 that is probably culprit

i cant imagine mass in colossus changes the amount of exe casts that much

[floral marsh]

Thanks! Gonna keep practicing

[thick kelp]

naw

shouldnt be

[minor gust]

thats even more funny then

Buff EP back to legion levels

[placid pecan]

how does fueled by violence self healing feel in m+ with 4 piece? I imagine it is crazy self sustain for a dps in large pulls no?

[minor gust]

this is arms not prot

[placid pecan]

ya but we still play colossus and fueled by violence in m+

[minor gust]

Prot has the crazy modifier on fueld by violence not arms

fueled by violence for arms tickles your balls

[placid pecan]

oh yeah theirs was buffed to like 200% bleed dmg or smthn.

[minor gust]

yee

[placid pecan]

but arms still heals more from their tier at least, idk i just like the lifesteal fantasy

[minor gust]

I mean it heals more than last patch yeah but nothing crazy

you wont really notice it

[placid pecan]

big rip, looks like it plays exactly the same as last season

[minor gust]

for the most part yeah some minor changes for col gameplay but thats it

[placid pecan]

do we prio mastery more due to the tier tho?

[trim arrow]

dh exists for that

well leech

[minor gust]

Any stat question is just gonna be answered with sim but no mastery isnt priod anymore or less than it already has been

[hasty pumice]

Is it worth in streets to hold demolish

[placid pecan]

aite bet thanks

[hasty pumice]

On first boss

To skip the stun

Human / nelf players confused rn

[minor gust]

combat drops dont work

[hasty pumice]

I'm just wondering if I should hold demolish

Because it probably costs way more DPS to break my cage

[minor gust]

hard to say

prob depends on whats the cd on ur demolish and how long till interogation is about to start

[hasty pumice]

I mean if int is on another player you can just blast it

[minor gust]

I would send because we need dmg to kill boss and if my demolish is back up ill check interogation timer

[trim arrow]

only thing meld does on that

is give it to someone else

[hasty pumice]

You'll get it back by the next one

[candid pecan]

lets just say, in a +16 Ara kara, when tank pulls 12 targets with 6 poison spiders, and you have 2 stacks of the venom... you're fine, you're chilling

healer does not have to focus you

[hasty pumice]

We chilling

[trim arrow]

alternatively: stoneform

[hasty pumice]

Def stance ez

[placid pecan]

see that sounds fun, thanks bro

how much hps is that

[dire hinge]

just did a 12 priory and Fueled By Violence was averaging 116k hps alone

average tick was 640k, max tick was 4.5M

[minor gust]

alright

shows how much I pay attention to healing

[candid pecan]

can easily go up to 800k-1M hps

[minor gust]

I was def wrong

[hasty pumice]

i never had it that high

[dire hinge]

arms healing parses are true end game, as we all know

[candid pecan]

also the giga pull in priory after 1st boss, we're CHILLING

[hasty pumice]

wat

[candid pecan]

if healer dies

[minor gust]

4.5 mil tick is crazy on a dps

[dire hinge]

it only counts as HPS if you're not max health, so bear in mind your HPS will skew lower if you have a good healer 😂

[hasty pumice]

ah fair

[full fulcrum]

does anyone have an example what our dmg spread is supposed to look like?

[trim arrow]

sounds like a healer problem

[hasty pumice]

yeah no I usually try to get good players

like Arms Troll #4

he's the best

[dire hinge]

that, or you're taking more damage than you're supposed to...

[trim arrow]

i pug vault keys

then i get demons like a vdh who does 1.67m

in dawnbreaker

[hasty pumice]

+15 keys pugging is basically vault

or +16 now rather

right?

[minor gust]

You wouldnt want me im washed and I suck

[hasty pumice]

dont you also have 15 resi?

or did I catch up with you

[minor gust]

no you caught up I havent played much at all this week

[hasty pumice]

i had an insane day yesterday, pugged 6 out of 8 15s

[trim arrow]

though i also ran into a 12m overall hunt on a 10 fg

that was something

[hasty pumice]

huge snowball idk how that happened

now its back to 0 invites to +16

[dire hinge]

the secret to a good Arms healing parse is to take more damage than your tank while still staying alive

[minor gust]

everytime I go to pug some keys theres only like a few 15s or 16s

so I get bored and go play another game

[hasty pumice]

i feel that with 16s

theres always like 3-4 16s up

for all dungeons

[trim arrow]

is it wrong that i get annoyed anytime i play a dk alt like

how does anyone die as this class

[minor gust]

NA pugscene barely exists in the high key range

[hasty pumice]

psure people just arent there yet in the pugging scene

to have consistent 16s up

[trim arrow]

you probably wont see many 16 pugs

until turboboost

i imagine

[hasty pumice]

but yeah pretty happy with this

0 premades, 0 groups (that I knew of)

[minor gust]

Nice I think I just need a 15 Priory and HOA rest are 15s or 16s

[hasty pumice]

i need to snipe a few 16s to get invite

[minor gust]

I dont remember

[trim arrow]

im still convinced

[hasty pumice]

like with 15s it was

0 invites

[trim arrow]

going right on priory is banned

[hasty pumice]

until I had 2 cleared and then it was so fast

to get into keys

[hasty pumice]

I hate it too but trust me

the reflective shield with our ilvl rn is dogshit

a sub friend sent me a screenshot where he one shot himself on that mob

[trim arrow]

yeah

[hasty pumice]

reflective shield is a bit busted rn

[trim arrow]

thats why you pre cloak

before the secret tech lands

[minor gust]

ive almost killed myself with a demolish MS

[hasty pumice]

a reflective shield

should never one shot you lol

cause you have to break it

[trim arrow]

a secret tech during cds

is like 12m

into 2 10m coups

xdddd

[hasty pumice]

ik

[trim arrow]

overall its dumb

im assuming pet classes it just reflects onto the pet?

[hasty pumice]

i dont understand why its soooo much more nasty than last season

last season I barely felt like reflective shield was a big deal

now you just kill your own char

avoiding the specific phrasing there

[trim arrow]

i've killed myself on it in pugs last season

it also creates a funny interaction with darkness on dh

pop dark right before the shield

[hazy flower]

Pretty sure not

Iirc blood beast exploding could mean dk death

Old beast not the nerfed one

[trim arrow]

isnt that because the bloodbeast is technically gone

when the explosion happens

[hasty pumice]

@minor gust ye

there's only 4 up that I can join

[minor gust]

[hasty pumice]

idk how many with like blood lust check etc but you get the idea

[minor gust]

should be an addon or WA that shows you what classes are in the group

I forget which one that does it

[hasty pumice]

dw

I have more than enough

[minor gust]

oh god not the Decline counter

[hasty pumice]

yes

best addon

[minor gust]

Masochism at its finest

[hasty pumice]

its just gnome racism prolly

15 resi btw

[candid pecan]

wait +16 Eco, oh shit, im queueing

[hasty pumice]

I got declined

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-tyler-scream-gif-15775103

[candid pecan]

same, they invited an unholy dk

what a shame,

[hasty pumice]

fuck youre slightly above my rio

[latent moss]

noob

[hasty pumice]

give me some

[latent moss]

need 4k 20 resil

for 16s

sry bud

[candid pecan]

you're correct

[hasty pumice]

factually correct

unless you play DK, DH or arcane mage

just sell your soul and you will get invites

[latent moss]

isnt assa bugged

[hasty pumice]

it is

[latent moss]

casual got 12mil overall

in floodgate

trollface

[hasty pumice]

assa sucks rn, sub is the juice

i mean assa talents scale worse into higher keys

sucks means still really good btw

[latent moss]

idk its an 18

[hasty pumice]

I shall be quiet now

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-know-let-me-know-dog-meme-let-me-know-dog-dog-holding-laugh-dog-speed-gif-15789708427721573726

[latent moss]

18 flood

tbf its casual

slightly cracked player

also pwar

[hasty pumice]

tomelvis gang

[latent moss]

:trollface:

[hasty pumice]

guess I'll farm some conquest

for fun transmogs

[latent moss]

he did like

[hasty pumice]

ok realtalk is anybody bothered by the physics of the warrior tierset?

[latent moss]

10 mil to demolisher

on first pack

:tf: spec

[hasty pumice]

that the chains are giga goofy

[latent moss]

while doing 35 mil total

problem other classes?

[latent moss]

shredder

w/e its called

the big guy

that casts the saws and hsit

[hasty pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[outer holly]

I can't remember the last time warrior had a tier I was excited for

[heady shale]

Is Rend needed on bar or TC handles it?

[outer holly]

CN ig

tc does it all

can rend for ST but honestly that's like stormbolt during bladestorm

[hasty pumice]

fair

naxx t3 lol

I'd love a naxx t3 rework but kinda want it to be hard to get

I like this tierset on gnome but the chains wiggle around so stupidly

[outer holly]

I think DKs stole our artwork judging by the T3 set

[hasty pumice]

DK tier sets are so much better look wise

[halcyon valve]

When will we get warrior tier that isnt just spikes all over again for the 50th time

[floral marsh]

How will I show how edgy I am if not through spiky set

[rancid solstice]

This war tier kinda grew on me ngl

[sacred zodiac]

this set goes hard idk why you're complaining

[sour forge]

We were literally rocks s1 Df

[latent moss]

ok but imagine

half naked with some cool scars and blood

1 shoulder type shit

[sacred zodiac]

just use that one trading post set or

[latent moss]

nah imagine a set like that

like raid set ye

it would go so hard

bro is literally almost naked

this goes sooo hard

[sour forge]

Just make everything invisible with a piece here and there

[untold pewter]

You can easily reach similar looks without a "set" tbh

Also I'm pretty sure that's a shaman with an earthliving enchanted axe?

[shadow ibex]

lol

thats broxigar with the axe of cenn

the best warrior looks a really badass resto shaman

[untold pewter]

Yep lmao

Tbh I'm still waiting Blizzard to give us totems as 2H weapons like warcraft taurens

I'd race change immediately, something about being a big cow hitting things with a trunk is just peak warrior fantasy

[shadow ibex]

tauren can do that now

[untold pewter]

Is there a totem weapon yet?

[shadow ibex]

some heritage quest in DF i think gave them a totem weapon

yea

[untold pewter]

Holy fuck

I missed that!

[shadow ibex]

i used it in DF for awhile its tauren only and everything

[untold pewter]

Damn thanks for letting me know!

[shadow ibex]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=204084/ancestors-might

[untold pewter]

God damn this is sick

[shadow ibex]

i think they had to make up for what they did to baine in SL

so they went all out

[untold pewter]

That's a fair point

And worthy homage

Baine of the thousand years stare sitting in Oribos

[hasty pumice]

Imagine if orcs weren't goofy fucks

In retail

[latent moss]

0 flavor class

from gameplay to transmog

[hasty pumice]

Grommash laid the groundwork

Just for orcs to turn out to be goofs

I do miss the more rigid looks of warcraft 3 ideas and a bit of classic

Though I understand why it's more cartoonish now than back then

[shadow ibex]

i wouldnt mind a warrior set in the same vein as the gladiator trading post stuff

[hasty pumice]

100%

Schrödinger's warrior tierset

[latent moss]

whats that set

cant log on

rn

[shadow ibex]

its like the varian gladiator set

[latent moss]

no idea what that is

vpn wowhead time

[latent moss]

ok not bad

[echo marten]

Nowadays u have orcs going around dress up like bunny's 😭😭

[glacial rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/redd-foxx-fred-sanford-and-son-nope-not-today-no-way-gif-16933084719828512926

[rapid bronze]

It’s not just the cartoonish design but I hate all the dumb stuff on the trading post, the muffler hats and whatnot

Get your labubu bullshit out of my video game

[shrewd adder]

Where is arms buff

Paly cried and got insta buff but warry can still get fked by balance team

#BlOnWarriorPlsBlizzard

[shadow ibex]

you just reminded me we got new stuff today

[flint ravine]

🙏

shaman seems fucking nuts right now

[nova marsh]

Ele is

[stable fiber]

@shrewd adderitll prob happen

slayer seems stinky in raid ngl

slayer arms is just worse than slayer fury, colossus arms is pretty good though on the aoe bosses

as i predicted prior to this patch

because im the goat

[glacial rapids]

🤣

[grave mulch]

[queen garden]

we going arterial bleed in m+ ?

[pearl wind]

i think so

better uncapped

[balmy kindle]

Helps our very very bad ST as well

[queen garden]

aint thunderclap applying rend to just 5 targets ? we got to try using 2-3 time in big pulls to apply to all mobs ?

[silent saddle]

we did it!

[silent saddle]

Yes that's correct unfortunately

I really wish Ravager applied rends

[dry frost]

No rend slayer build 10 priory

[void bay]

No we didn't

[low elk]

how much is reap the storm of your overall

with 4 set

[shadow ibex]

can try blademaster

for more reaps

[dry frost]

That was overall, 13.3%

[low elk]

why is blademaster more reaps

[shadow ibex]

more cleave casts

[dry frost]

More cleaves

This was with blademaster

[sour forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1412299258207670393/image.png?ex=68b7c9ae&is=68b6782e&hm=11f525d231c68b78884762c91c450049d9d94a1da1f565800a47eeffb5dcff46&

[low elk]

thats pretty massive

but demolish is massiver, no?

[sour forge]

That’s literally the image 2 posts above your question 🤣

[thick kelp]

Would be yes

[shadow ibex]

i only did one slayer key and my reap was second best but i also no idea when to use exe

[dry frost]

But I like slayer in M+

[low elk]

oh true lmao didnt notice

[sour forge]

The point of the slayer build is higher prio/st

[dry frost]

Slayer is SOOOO goood this week, you just stack jugg on affix

[sour forge]

Sub 12s sure

[dry frost]

Makes it insanely easy to keep stacks

[low elk]

affix is only up to11

[dry frost]

Well yeah, I havent pushed keys yet, still just doing for vault

[thick kelp]

if u want more aoe mongo on Slayer try this https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/DAOAUVFREQhYVIpRUBAOVVEVURVFQkVQFQCFEEFVVUBB

[dry frost]

what just rend over massacre? Is Strengh of Arms more worth than dreadnaught on slayer? I wouldnt be surpised with how under tuned Dreadnaught is

Dead was only 2% of my dam lol

[thick kelp]

soa vs dn is personal preference

and I think you didnt play around dn properly, mine usually ends up around 4-5% of my overall

[dry frost]

I just assumed DN is more AOE and SoA is more ST

[thick kelp]

correct

[shadow ibex]

mass probably doesnt cost you many exe cast in ST

cuz of SD

[dry frost]

Prolly not, I feel like Idk where to put OP when many resets

I feel like with mass, and when I get a lot of SD and EB procs I just ignore OP, idk if its right but what I have been doing so I am prolly under casting it with DN

Might try SOA next

[quaint otter]

Whats DN

[sage bison]

deez nuts

https://tenor.com/view/cigar-barish-image-gif-26607457

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-berserk-skeleton-skeleton-skeleton-meme-gif-25494898

we really need a good berserk show

[balmy kindle]

Blue ret nerf

[balmy kindle]

Nah berserk will never see the light of day in current PC climate rip Miura sensei

[halcyon valve]

We have the sekiro anime coming up, which is basically dark souls, which is basically berserk

[heady shale]

Is Execute higher prio than MS in the low health range?

[balmy kindle]

Slayer yes

Colo never press execute unless filler

[void bay]

I love the animes

[void bay]

they made a great anime no? wdym?

[balmy kindle]

Golden arc movies still the

Anime was poorly made but I still enjoyed it

[quaint otter]

Sekiro is far from dark souls wtf

[halcyon grove]

I guess no class balance this week

[fresh spire]

[candid pecan]

It was Labor Day yesterday in the US (according to goggles)

surely they have been prepping the tuning notes

letting them marinate

then SENDING them once they start work

[fresh spire]

[candid pecan]

in 8-10 hours or so

[halcyon valve]

The joke understander has logged in

[quaint otter]

[scenic jasper]

sha;anb

[void bay]

AI Overview:
Labor Day in the USA celebrates women going into Labor and is a national holiday where women are encouraged to give birth.

[balmy kindle]

You can't be serious

[hasty pumice]

I am serious and don't call me surely

[void bay]

https://tenor.com/view/leslie-nielsen-what-wtf-confused-look-confused-gif-283082192766325851

[elder light]

how to learn arms 101

[fresh spire]

Press mortale_frappe

[naive sage]

Look at the spec’s icon
That’s all you need to know

[elder light]

gg

[hasty pumice]

gg

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-gif-1638850359596530672

I got a nice dopamine hit in Floodgate last night. Was helping a friend with weekly keys, saw that big ol 42 Mil Demo crit during the amp phase on Momma.

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-donut-foxy-eat-steal-gif-17426239787426990593

[misty yew]

Is Raiderio not updating anymore

Seems like it's not done a refresh in ages for me

[icy mulch]

Glorious!

[astral yarrow]

if its for your own score, relink your char and wait for next sync

if its everyone else, then you arent updating addons

[halcyon valve]

Ive seen 54m crit there myself, someone else in here posted a 62m earlier this reset iirc
Its fun

This is why we play colossus

[weak rain]

sucks that fdk's mark hits more though

[balmy kindle]

Dmg amp phases with demolish

[halcyon valve]

Dont care demolish feels better

[thick kelp]

we celebrate 64mil crits

whilst dk does 64mil dps in opener

[halcyon valve]

Dont look at what dev evokers are doing

[icy mulch]

There do be some classes that need to be nerfed.

[rotund owl]

arms feels amazing while leveling. it is right in the face of the enemy.

[void lily]

seems impossible to get into keys as arms.

[tiny sable]

Yo, what is yalls sequence for the first pull of a key?

i feel like im wasting way too moch time building up col stacks

[balmy kindle]

At least they are squishy like a piece of tofu

[misty yew]

Mine is pop all ravager, avatar, WB, with SS up and hope stacks hit 10 and demolish

[swift crown]

As a bad Dev, only bad Devs

[balmy kindle]

You cant deny you Definitely need more effort to stay alive though

[late wadi]

hey guys how do I defend myself on the second pull in Streets, like with DK I can just DA

[gusty nymph]

I feel you. Only way is to run your own key

[void lily]

yeh. i think ima run prot till i get some io lol

[swift crown]

having many buttons and having to press buttons to live is a good deal

[balmy kindle]

But I would still say it's big effort compared to other classes, played Dev a fair bit during s2 and once it's 13-14 it's quite annoying

And god forbid if your healer is a tad behind

Their throughput is insane though with flameshaper

[latent moss]

dev dying to roots initial damage on tindral

thoughts

[swift crown]

just dont die

[astral yarrow]

Is there anywhere i can see overall statistics of who dies on Salhadar

[swift crown]

also play Aug you animal

[swift crown]

Yes

Aug is

not squishy

[astral yarrow]

cause if augs arent top, someone is doing a crime

[swift crown]

btw

[astral yarrow]

holy moly

[swift crown]

I'm pretty sure

I'm half of this statistic

[astral yarrow]

our 2 dragons are the other half

[latent moss]

i played warrior

[balmy kindle]

Just demand healers to heal more 4head

[latent moss]

2nd highest damage on logs

while flying

[astral yarrow]

sub rogue being that high is criminal

[latent moss]

thoughts

xdd

[astral yarrow]

cheat and feint for every damage event

dont eat besiege beams challenge impossible

[swift crown]

what cheat

Cheat doesn't exist in P1

that's the phase you die to

[livid cloak]

Arms is very strong in keys atm

Tanky, does good damage

[astral yarrow]

Oathbreak end of p1

i love classes with cheat not getting a pass on this fight though

[balmy kindle]

Maybe just because there's not much players

[swift crown]

yea but if you die to that you either did everything right (pot used) or you're bad

Doesn't onetap you from full

and you should be full

[astral yarrow]

i've had it do almost 10 milly

but most people are 14milly

i just made a WA for people with pot icon if they are have less than 10 mil hp

[daring heron]

It was funny yesterday i failed to reach the soak bc i misplayed beam dodging

so i went into the tank soak and used ER+dstance+SR and lived

and then i misplayed my movement dodging beams again so i got hit by tank frontal and still survived

[swift crown]

Pretty sure

half the abilities on this boss

are natty reflectable

stupid ass class

Even the fucking frontal

nice gaem

Claws, Last hit from big DoT, Frontal

how die?

[sacred zodiac]

ok i will stand in it

[fossil thistle]

Games it poorly on a rekill but I’ve seen 55-56M pretty consistently

[worn nimbus]

I thought i saw a Critcake vid the other day saying he’d never play arms

[severe crow]

is it normal to be pressing alot of slam, i just picked up arms for raid alt and i feel like my ms/overpowers are on cd alot

and idk what else to press

[dim basalt]

Thats normal yeah

[severe crow]

oh aight ty

[weak wave]

As Slayer in raid? No a lot of slamming is not normal.

[fossil thistle]

Define a lot

I avg 30-35 slams seems like

[dim basalt]

Slayer uses a lot more Slam than Colo huh?

In raid its really normal

Has been that way all expac

[teal fossil]

That doesn’t make sense

Slayer should be sending less slams

Because it’s got more SD to fill the gaps

[dim basalt]

Well Im comparing Raid Slayer to M+ Colo

[teal fossil]

Sure because m+ you have cleave to fill

But that’s cheating

Cleave is essentially slam on st

A bit stronger

[shadow ibex]

Slam casts didn't really go down a ton if you compare a sim with and w/o 4pc

[dim basalt]

But in raid Col uses blord anyway

Which should mean less or equal slam casts

[glacial rapids]

I don't know why someone is arguing about this... If you don't have any procs, things are on cooldown, and it's not in execute phase. Yes, you will be hitting slam a lot if procs aren't happening.

[heady shale]

What's the play when I have Overpower ready and both Cleave and MS highlighted?

[last saddle]

Take slam off your bar and wait for your stuff to come off cooldown

[dim basalt]

5head

Cant press Slam if you dont have it bound

[olive nest]

Hollyy smort

[balmy kindle]

Based

[solemn fractal]

Which trinket for arms? all are 707.

[olive nest]

Sim

Jelous of the Arcano/screams combo

Hope to get that this week

[visual fern]

I just realized pacemaker icon is an ironman heart

Holay im blind

[olive nest]

[solemn fractal]

I got both this reset. Mythic Arcano.

[icy mulch]

I have mythic antenna and arcanocore. I set.

[olive nest]

Screams pumps!

[slow saddle]

Facts

[olive nest]

Need!

[slow saddle]

Hc screams > m arcano?

[olive nest]

Grats

[last saddle]

im on mythic arcano + mythic stone idol

if i get a heroic scream i think 710 scream is better for ST though

[olive nest]

Screams beats my pacemaker by 68k
I also have mythic Arcano

[cunning pond]

Is arcano usually better than idol?

My mythic idol Sims higher than arcano

[rapid bronze]

why do I even play this game

[last saddle]

arms neck 😮

[rapid bronze]

yeah but I already have it on hero just feels too early for these shitty minor upgrade vaults

[floral ledge]

gems socket time

[wooden lava]

nasty work

the necklace has speed on it

the ring has avoidance

[icy mulch]

But the idol!

[fossil thistle]

I got three sacs last week.
Champion (Warbound)
Hero
Hero with soeed. Hoping I get a vault one with avoidance or speed as they keep getting better

[icy mulch]

This is what I got to pick from. I really don't know what to grab cause ring, legs, and idol are all big upgrades for various things.

Legs in ST, Idol in 5T

[fresh spire]

Idol nice

[icy mulch]

I have to wait to see if I get lucky in raid tonight before picking something.

[wooden lava]

idol is a very minor upgrade unless u play colarms

legs and chest are likely very good upgrades, but the issue is that you have a chance of getting them from raid

so their rarity isn't all that high

the ring could be an option

[fossil thistle]

Imo if you’re doing M prog grab trinket and get tier from cata or token

[icy mulch]

Ring, Legs, and idol are all about 0.8 - 0.9% upgrade. Ring and Legs for ST, Idol for 5T

[fossil thistle]

Tier legs drop off soulbinder right?

[lapis nimbus]

how good is the cursed stone idol for arms currently

[fossil thistle]

Think puzzle box

[icy mulch]

We're working on the 4th mythic boss in my guild, so legs are some what easy to get.

[fossil thistle]

Yea, whilst you might not see another idol for 2-3-4 weeks, or ever

[icy mulch]

Yeah

[fossil thistle]

That’s my logic anyways.

[icy mulch]

It's also the thing kicking around my head, but it comes down to take from raid or not. lol

[fossil thistle]

4 pc m tier is easier to acquire 😂 sobs in never getting myth shoulders last season

[wooden lava]

it's nice that they didn't lock tier pieces behind last 2 bosses

i wish they'd put a weapon in the first 2 bosses tho, not getting one til araz rekill was annoying

[fossil thistle]

m+ weapon until late

[weak rain]

2nd raid in a row str 2hander is on 4th boss

this is stupid imo

[fossil thistle]

Crafted is an option, bt the time you can loot a M feom raid you’ll probably have another spark or two for bracer/belt craft lol

I made bracer belt first in honest belief I was going to get a weapon from M+ row in week 1/2

[spark mango]

guys

do we need sweeping for demolish

[latent moss]

u should cleave it yes

[spark mango]

so does it work like dreadnaught?

do you get 2 waves?

or just first 2 hits go into sweeping and 3rd slam doesnt

[latent moss]

first 2 are cleaved last hit is aoe so it isnt cleaved

[fossil thistle]

The two ST hits are cleaved yea

Mucho juiceo though, hits hard

[halcyon valve]

The aoe hit cleaving would be busted
Imagine just demolishing for 130 million damage

[rapid bronze]

is this the belt crafting week?

[granite coral]

I'll have to sim when I get home, stone idol is prob my pick because im a big M+ boi

[fossil thistle]

Those keybinds though

Windows key + shift + S makes life easier

[sand kettle]

Everyone have their style

[native obsidian]

Going clicker style

[grim magnet]

Do you guys use the Cursed Stone Idol? How do you use it in your rotatio, have you macrod it?

[granite coral]

In first pull lusts I send it when everything is clumped up then proceed with normal rotation and then it should line up with avatar

You can move as it’s casting

[trim mason]

Getting into warrior. Would you say arms or fury is easier? The apm of fury is nutty lol

[granite coral]

Seeing how this is the arms channel, I’m gonna say arms

But you may find differing opinions

Namely in #fury

[last saddle]

arms is pretty easy but fury is 3 buttons and has 2m more hp

[rapid bronze]

Fury doesn’t have 30 million demolish hits

[unkempt wren]

Its a lot of preference. I'll say I hate fury less this season,but after 2 weeks of it I was dying to go back. Slayer fury feels a bit better than arms, but very hard on the hands. I like Colossus way more than thane fury

[sour forge]

Fury doesn’t have that much more apm

[olive nest]

Fury’s what like 70 apm? But it’s 300 if you count the excessive key spamming in between globals

[latent moss]

slayer is more

i think

im fairly sure it is more cause u stack haste

u have like 9 billion haste

[last saddle]

only 20k

but you get a bunch of haste from the talents

[latent moss]

there are people with more haste

either way

its a fuck ton of haste

• frenzied enrage

• frenzy

[last saddle]

my sim tells me to do 20k haste 25k mastery 12k vers

[pearl wind]

lol i have the same m+ vault except pacemaker instead of idol and i already have myth idol

[last saddle]

I have all of the haste/mast/vers amulets + rings so it can really choose any combinations

[silent saddle]

to all my key pushers, what power are you using for belt?

sims said to go mastery proc but I wasn't sure

[last saddle]

Critical

[pearl wind]

im using crit chain

[silent saddle]

Okay cool. My crit is up to 42% so I wasn't sure if I should start leaning more into mastery

[fossil quiver]

is it really mandatory to play with Skullsplitter? if not, what talent should I take in it's place?

[gaunt owl]

mandatory no

[zenith storm]

is their any reason why soulbreaker's vigil sims so high?

sigil*

[granite coral]

What spec are people using for col in raid cleave fights

[minor gust]

Going to warcraft logs can answer that question for you

[granite coral]

You assume I can read

Really in 2025

You are gonna assume that

[minor gust]

You don't need to read

Just look at the pictures

[granite coral]

I’m also blind

[minor gust]

Sucks to suck

[granite coral]

https://tenor.com/view/redies-dies-again-dead-lives-undies-gif-24888754

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870682754705150003/1396636223233200249/attachment.gif

[hasty pumice]

if you get idol in vault dont ping me

[olive nest]

[hasty pumice]

bonjour mon ami

[olive nest]

Frappe Mortelle

[zenith storm]

how do these 2 trinkets sim better than 704 pacemaker and myth track 707 signet or priory? The core i kinda understand but sigil?

[hasty pumice]

you deserve it

king

[minor gust]

[hasty pumice]

my last vault was 2nd weapon, boots and wrists

[fresh spire]

not sure about sigil, Arcano is a solid trinket

[hasty pumice]

straight garbage

[fresh spire]

Pacemaker was nerfed coming into S3

[zenith storm]

its the sigil i dont understand

[latent moss]

signet is dog ass and sigil is powerful on st

[hasty pumice]

btw @minor gust i did some mythic bosses today

3rd boss with arms feels crisp

[last saddle]

Is sigil lying in sim?

[hasty pumice]

just hold CDs for every add spawn

easiest shit

[last saddle]

Does it think it’s getting vers

Most top parses on 3rd boss are colo arms

[minor gust]

yeah its very funny and pure pad

[hasty pumice]

I had two really good runs until I died in both 1st and 3rd boss

pissed me off ab it haha

[minor gust]

I did two clears as arms on that boss but thats enough sillyness gonna do it as fury this week

[hasty pumice]

1st boss last intermission pattern was horrible and caught me off guard

3rd boss I died from heals

[hasty pumice]

i dont understand how some fury players have 8.5m there

on the first pull I tried fury

no where close

[minor gust]

if their thane its all rng

get procs when adds spawn

[olive nest]

Proc Thunderblast 3/4 times in a row when adds spawn

[hasty pumice]

just play better

when the adds spawned I got 0 procs

[olive nest]

True

[hasty pumice]

was chilling at 6-6.5m DPS

was fun

[olive nest]

Gamba class forever

Both specs

[minor gust]

if their ethical they played slayer if their thane they played the gamba lottery

[olive nest]

[hasty pumice]

when are we gambaing together?

https://tenor.com/view/buttefly-dog-butterfly-dog-собака-бабочка-gif-3477745535671394965

[minor gust]

we were omega gamba with arms last tier

[olive nest]

No 15 jug stacks before execute for you!!

[pearl wind]

my vault is a little scuffed, i think i just gotta take myth chest. i have pacemaker hero, a hero antenna would be better than myth pacemaker. the ring has wrong secondaries.

though my current hero tier chest has 1150 Speed on it you know i love my speed

[granite coral]

18% baby

Never looking back

[pearl wind]

https://tenor.com/view/getting-out-of-leaving-gotta-go-cars-fast-cars-gif-17957775

[minor gust]

imagine not having 31% extra movespeed

couldnt be me

[candid pecan]

omg jugg stacks are so annoying...(progging mythic Fractillus)

beats spamming RB as fury

swing 10.5M execute

[grim haven]

hi

[hasty pumice]

imagine getting into 16 keys

(not me )

but at least I got the new astral hammer transmog finally, even though its the ugly conquest colour

still dope

swing that

btw why no 2h axe

[lofty pulsar]

So execute phase

(Single target)

Is it more dps execute execute execute and so forth, or execute execute overpower mortal strike

[minor gust]

break time till turbo boost

[hasty pumice]

nah

we keep on going baby

man where do they all come from

fourth warrior I saw take a 16 spot

[minor gust]

its a dog eat dog world out there

also holy rare WW monk sighting

[gray terrace]

Got a better ring, is it worth dropping this one?

I dunno how important leech is

[hasty pumice]

WW monk is fairly common in EU I'd say

[gray terrace]

other is Whispers*

[hasty pumice]

I've had several monk DPS alr

[hasty pumice]

leech compared to all our other self healing tools is pretty irrelevant

[minor gust]

Man I wish NA pug scene was like EUs

[gray terrace]

It's what I figure, already have the BiS wrists so not rushing to replace those with a craft

[dim basalt]

Yeah EU has a lot of WWs

[hasty pumice]

I'd rank the extra stats like this

avoidance > speed >>> leech >>>>> indestructible

avoidance is just insane for both mythic prog and m+ push

[minor gust]

so many noobs undervalue move speed

especially for raiding

[hasty pumice]

speed is fine but warrior has enough movement tools tbf

[minor gust]

its more being able to naturally position your character easier

[hasty pumice]

ye ik

[lofty pulsar]

I don’t understand avoidance tbh. Isn’t everything a oneshot anyway or is it for aoe stuff that doesn’t oneshot? Idk how it works cause I’m bad

[hasty pumice]

speed helps you learn mechs easier

[gray terrace]

Indestructible is S tier if you find dying as part of your rotation

[minor gust]

Everytime I inspect a melee without the move speed gem

I cry

[hasty pumice]

crit all the way

[gray terrace]

Crit though?

[hasty pumice]

mastery because fury main spec for raid

[minor gust]

10% MS > than that shitty crit

[hasty pumice]

dont say anything

[hasty pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-tyler-scream-gif-15775103

[hazy flower]

Ngl in s1 i played speed meta gem on my enha

[hasty pumice]

if your movement is good enough

[hazy flower]

Instead of the crit one

[hasty pumice]

then you dont need any MS

i also skip the 5% MS talent

[hazy flower]

For the sake of convenience

And to fuel my adhd

[hasty pumice]

@minor gust mad?

[minor gust]

slow ass bitch

[hasty pumice]

[minor gust]

[hasty pumice]

just dont get hit

[minor gust]

I hope you die to a swirlie in a 16 today

[hasty pumice]

im thinking what would be a fight where I'd love more movement speed

i aint getting into a 16 before sleep

lets be real

[minor gust]

so true

[hasty pumice]

because of the ms talent prolly

[minor gust]

speed gem only that shit owns

[hasty pumice]

they check my talents and see that I have +0% MS

SIKE

what do you say now??

[hazy flower]

Idk how much of a dps loss

Was not playing crit

[minor gust]

the increased crit effect was basically nothing last time I simmed it

tho its been since like S1 since I simmed it

but tbh even if it was 1% I wouldnt care

[hazy flower]

Yeah im talking strictly s1

[hasty pumice]

ima sim it

fuck it

[hazy flower]

S2 i played vdh (mostly, alting dk/mage) so i had lots of movement

[minor gust]

so much of this game as melee is moving around and dodging shit and keeping up with the boss

MS is just so good

[lapis merlin]

I got a netherprism in vault (Hero) and a myth helm. I want to play arms but unsure if I should take the trink or helm

[hazy flower]

Ye movement speed is uptime as well

Which effectively means dps

No fight is truly patchwerk

[minor gust]

yeah and if your bad at prediciting boss movement and moving before and as boss moves more move speed helps cover that

so your not losing uptime

[hasty pumice]

netherprism is pretty doodoo for both arms and fury

take the myth helm 100%

warrior doesnt scale that well with main stat compared to other classes

[pearl wind]

ya netherprism isnt that good for us

seems a lot better for agi specs

[minor gust]

more like Sub rogue one of the best melee burst specs just got a melee spymasters making them explode

[pearl wind]

basically

[hasty pumice]

@minor gust

i get

-0.4% dps

from using the movement speed one

[minor gust]

fuckin nothin

[hasty pumice]

aint worth

wdym

[minor gust]

MS always king

[olive nest]

If I didn’t have 14% speed from tertiary procs I would be running the movement gem

Move speed is heavily undervalued in high intensity progression gameplay

[smoky kayak]

movespeed gem is great; only downside is that it doesn't stack with Fury's Frenzied Enrage

[minor gust]

even if I had 20% from terts id still take MS gem for .4% less sim dps

[hazy flower]

Like 10% speed

[smoky kayak]

highly recommend movespeed bracer enchant as well

[hazy flower]

Vs 0.4%

0.4% is 1-2 missed globals

Which you can easily cover with speed

[olive nest]

Is it true that the move speed gem does not stack with other move speed effects?

Aside from frenzy which archi just mentioned

[smoky kayak]

it doesn't stack with other temp buffs, which Enrage is

[olive nest]

But it can stack with tertiary and enchants?

[smoky kayak]

those aren't temp buffs, so yes

[olive nest]

Ahh! TIL!

[hazy flower]

I wouldn’t advocate for speed enchants

Tho

[olive nest]

Swapping tonight before raid haha

Enchants I’m sticking with leech personally

I just like having leech in raid

[hazy flower]

Last time I raided

I think i was swapping

Inbetween bosses

Kinda whatever I felt like was more useful

[minor gust]

Mans got Bezos money in game

[olive nest]

It’s interesting to me that the speed stat in the character pain doesn’t reflect the speed gained from the gems

Or maybe that’s just my ui

[minor gust]

prob ur UI because mine does

[hazy flower]

I did earn a bit from boosting last ssn…

Tho it’s quite cheap

My biggest expense is augment runes

Got to the point where I use them for weekly 10’s out of habit

[minor gust]

Augment rune you mean the thing ive been using since Season 3 DF

[hazy flower]

I only have that one on 1 char

Which coincidentally I haven’t touched since df s3

[minor gust]

F

[hazy flower]

Well I did raid on it in s1 tww but raiding is half a season at most

[pearl wind]

for bracer id rather have 1090 avoidance

and im a move speed enjoyer

[pearl wind]

it doesn't on mine either but autorun and unequip/equip the MS gem item and you'll notice you run faster

[silent saddle]

interesting. raidbots wants me to go all mastery/haste for ST

[pearl wind]

bleed build?

[silent saddle]

yeah

[pearl wind]

that probably makes sense

jugg slayer arms raid ST is probably better itemize compatible with colossus M+ build

[smoky kayak]

bracer enchants are disproportionately weighted toward speed

• bracer enchants give either 5% speed, 2% avoidance, or 2% leech
• cloak enchants give either 1.25% speed, 1% avoidance, or 1% leech

dropping a roughly equal amount of avoidance or leech for speed isn't worth, but dropping it for twice the returns is

[pearl wind]

5% MS on bracer is quite large but it's hard to get avoidance anywhere unless you get proc lucky

[smoky kayak]

you can say the same thing about speed lol

[pearl wind]

and even then there's like no cap on the amount of avoidance one would wish for in M+ whereas MS you kinda want like

[smoky kayak]

there are exactly as many sources of each

[pearl wind]

15% and call it good

and it's quite easy to scale to 15%

[smoky kayak]

is it?

where are you getting speed from that you aren't getting avoidance?

[pearl wind]

yeah like 2.5k MS is 15%

oh im not saying the sources are different just the amounts and scaling

i guess they scale similarly

but you can get MS from blasphemite but not avoidance

[smoky kayak]

they are, which was my entire point - giving up an equal amount of avoidance or leech for speed isn't worth, but getting more than twice the returns is

Elusive Blas is the only spot yeah, but again that doesn't stack with Frenzied Enrage, so if you play Fury at all, it's a pretty bad choice; even with, I'd take speed any day up to ~+20% or so, since avoiding mechanics is worth way more survivability than a small amount of extra mitigation (especially when you don't even necessarily know if it will apply or not)

[pearl wind]

im strictly arms personally

skipping leg day

[hazy flower]

Its cool but realistically it’s about knowing what the encounter needs. If a boss is very heavy on the rot I’d take leech all day over speed even though the value is much higher relatively. But yeah I didn’t notice that you get much more speed compared to other stuff, that’s kinda cool then.

[smoky kayak]

most people don't get enough tertiary on gear to meaningfully gear around all three

nor are they going to change gems/enchants around from encounter to encounter, when we're talking about such small returns

[pearl wind]

for me in M+ im happy with getting 10-15% MS which is like having druid feline swiftness for free for melee swing uptime/dodging and then prioritizing avoidance as much as possible given arms in high M+ key has a shortage of defensive options imo

i do also take Double Time

dstance is great though, maybe better than druid's situation since you literally do no dmg in bear

but dstance you can still MS

[smoky kayak]

realistically, you have four actual options

• 8% speed vs crit gem, which is kind of a non-choice for Fury, but Arms has more flexilbility
• 5% speed and/or 3% leech talent (not always an opposing choice, some builds can take both)
• cloak enchant - all three give ~1% of a given tertiary, in which case I typically would say go for Avoidance
• wrist enchant - ~2% leech, ~2% avoidance, or 5% speed

[pearl wind]

i wonder how leech should be weighted here vs fueled by violence

especially with arterial precision

[smoky kayak]

Leech is pretty poor in general simply due to the fact that you have an external healer, as well as many other sources of self-healing

[hazy flower]

Both are fake hps most of the time

They’re useful in specific parts of the dungeon/encounter

But most of the time healer would just heal that

[pearl wind]

yeah

[hazy flower]

Passively

[smoky kayak]

it can be useful, but it's not something you can depend on

[pearl wind]

besides we have second wind

[smoky kayak]

which makes it very hard to plan around, it's not like you plan to use damage CDs so you can leech more health

[pearl wind]

leech or second wind wont do anything meaningful during rot

[smoky kayak]

you have second wind, impending victory, and a lot of personal DR

[pearl wind]

is there a way to make a stance macro toggle? like, if you're in bstance and you press it, it puts you in dstance, and vice versa?

i have 2 separate keybinds for it now

[hazy flower]

Pins

Nvm not there anymore

[pearl wind]

oh nice

[hazy flower]

Pin in prot channel

[pearl wind]

its there

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;[known:386164]!Battle Stance;[known:386196]!Berserker Stance