Typically tier sets make you do more dam
#arms
heavy patio
junior remnant
guys i think i need help with dps... what do i need to provide for this please
heavy patio
read the guides
zenith dagger
pearl nebula
just hit 80 now so was wondering if it was worth taking now or no
read the guides everywhere etc but people dont rly talk about it
minor gust
Typically tier sets make you do more dam
Unless your fury then most of the time your tier set does nothing
minor gust
read the guides everywhere etc but people dont rly talk about it
SKS if you want to do max dmg. A lot of ppl just hate SKS too many buttons or just can't be bothered. So you can take the strength of arms talent for a minor damage loss
thick kelp
0.4%
shadow ibex
Max damage probably misleading cuz also assumes perfect use case as well
minor gust
If you're new to arms play around with it. If you like SKS send it, if you don't the. Drop it
minor gust
If you don't wanna run SKS then don't run
I switch between SKS and SOA when I'm feeling lazy or not
thick kelp
Max damage probably misleading cuz also assumes perfect use case as well
perfect use case is pressing it on cd aslong as ms/cleave is on cd
not that hard
minor gust
^
shadow ibex
Didn't say it was hard but its not going to be a strict loss cuz ur not playing like sim always
Obviously its usage is cringe otherwise people wouldn't be avoiding it
minor gust
Keep in mind the .4% is a ST sim
Not aoe
Which SKS is great for prio during AOE compared to OP
Because of how lil you actually end up pressing op in AOE right bow
The value of SKS imo is that prio dmg
boreal remnant
boreal remnant
pearl wind
link
wooden tide
does netherprism have good potential
pearl wind
does netherprism have good potential
i used it until i got idol
thick kelp
does netherprism have good potential
yes
wooden tide
did you save up 18 stacks? or just use as you go with avatar
thick kelp
vibe it out
wooden tide
just tested on training dummies and even an lfr version does big dam
thick kelp
sims just send it with avatar
wooden tide
the full 18 stack ofc
thick kelp
technically you could hold it for every other avatar since it does take approx 3mins to stack afaik
minor gust
Just be a sub rogue and use nether prism to absolutely destroy something
pearl wind
i just sent my nether on every avatar
old blade
are we pressing cleave in st (bossfights m+) for demolish reduce or nah?
late wadi
warriors, I am desperate for aid
I just started playing warrior like a little mroe than a week ago
and I think I cracked single target
not great, not terrible
river ridge
You got a weakaura for Sudden Death?
late wadi
but I do something fundamentally wrong in M+
river ridge
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237307732705415228/123734085400...
Was asking the guy above ^_^;
hexed saddle
yeah that just occurred to me
river ridge
XD
celest forge
but I do something fundamentally wrong in M+
Colossus or slayer?
(if slayer you are incorrect)
late wadi
colossus but... I might just go slayer because spin to win
latent moss
slayer is decent
celest forge
Not as good as colossus
river ridge
colossus but... I might just go slayer because spin to win
Probably just not pressing cleave enough. Can you link your talent build?
random pumice
quick question about slayer(arms):
When cleaving down large pulls in m+, do we still avatar before BS even if that means losing ~4sec on blademaster's torment effects(cleave CD reduction and SS)?
latent moss
quick question about slayer(arms):
When cleaving down large pulls in m+, do we ...
those effects happen when it ends
celest forge
Send a log. You're probably not doing beefy cleaves or missing the buffs on demolish
late wadi
Probably just not pressing cleave enough. Can you link your talent build?
its the same build that is on wowhead/icy veins
river ridge
🤔
late wadi
I don't know how to make logs
I have no idea, when cleave up I try to cleave, usually try to squeeze in an overpower before each, or two
celest forge
Well you can look yourself up on warcraftlogs.com to see if anyone has logs with you in it
celest forge
Or you can get the Loggerhead addon and the warcraftlogs application to make your own
late wadi
ms?
river ridge
Cooldown usage is also a very big part.
random pumice
those effects happen when it ends
tyvm!
late wadi
but what I (try) to do in M+ is to use mortal strike and overpower during sweeping strikes and cleave on cd
cleave>ms>op>cleave
latent moss
even without sweeping strikes ms is always higher priio than overpower
late wadi
the > is arrow
latent moss
cause it procs 4p and gives colossal might stacks
late wadi
oh
river ridge
When are you sending Demolish?
river ridge
No i mean the user above me
late wadi
I have an aura to track stacks
latent moss
ah
river ridge
@-@;
celest forge
I suggest getting a log
late wadi
how do i do that
latent moss
river ridge
Yeah tbh we won't be able to really help without a log or a video of your gameplay.
latent moss
video by one and only goat
river ridge
Dats Fury
late wadi
but apparently i need to lok'thar before ogar
latent moss
are u playing skullsplitter
late wadi
yes I dont like it tho
river ridge
Ooo yeah drop SKS while learning for sure.
latent moss
u dont have to
celest forge
how do i do that
Told you above just scroll up
latent moss
with sks its cleave>ms>sks>op
roughly
there is minmaxing
i recommend dropping it
late wadi
I am thinking of taking dreadnought instead of skullsplitter, i dont like skullsplitter
random pumice
video by one and only goat
Sorry 1 follow up question - I know Merciless Bonegrinder happens end of BS but Blademaster's torment happens when activating avatar, so you get SS (8s doesnt work with unhunged) and cleave CD reduction for duration of avatar. so you do lose 4 sec of that during BS. I assume the 20% damage increase during bs outweights this?
latent moss
Sorry 1 follow up question - I know Merciless Bonegrinder happens end of BS but ...
our cds are much shorter than avatar
demo debuff is like 10 seconds wb is 10 mbg is like 8?
ah bladestorm so no demo but point still stands
late wadi
take strength of arms
wait storm of swords maybe?
shadow ibex
random pumice
our cds are much shorter than avatar
Right on, so it's just worth buffing Bs for the short time you are spinning to win. ty once again! 👍
shadow ibex
lmao
latent moss
is that all it does
shadow ibex
fantastic talent
late wadi
I will do a test run with Slayer tho, maybe it fits my (nonexistent) style better
compact rover
which one of y'all did this 
compact rover
are u just addicted to parsing or were u boosting? @silk spade
silk spade
that is not me man
compact rover
The Chad himself
someone posted that screenshot in mage discord had no idea who it was lol
minor gust
Haha I love that it accomplished nothing but make ppl hate ret more
tacit crystal
the buff was needed
banga pfp
granite coral
What’s everyone playing for alts
Can’t decide if I wanna do BM hunter or guardian Druid
Also has anyone tried bleed cleave? arms/brew/rsham/feral/bm
spiral coral
BM Hunter is super fun and at the same time feels like you’re playing in a recliner
void bay
BM Hunter is super fun and at the same time feels like you’re playing in a recli...
its actually very high apm in aoe if you do it properly....MM is way more chill
fossil thistle
Slight SOS. Sacbrood is simming a 40k dps loss at 710 over my 704 sigil.
Was it nerfed or something, or is sim just saying "your stat weights are trash try again later"
void bay
I mean sacbrood is a shit load of haste....if you already have loads of haste it wont be great. I dont have it on my warr, but on my hunter where haste is the "best" stat, I already had high haste, so a full sim told me to use sacbrood, but use more crit/mastery else where as I didnt have another 710 trinks
fossil thistle
I mean sacbrood is a shit load of haste....if you already have loads of haste it...
16,668 crit
21,574 haste
7,283 mastery
6,352 versatility.
So maaybe, didn't even thing of that
void bay
People nearly ALWAYS make this mistake...."xxx item is BiS, so why is it worse?"....well a BiS list is just that....a list, you cant take each item in a vacuum, thats why you always sim
fossil thistle
I always sim any upgrade, I just didn't think Sigil would be that far ahead at 704 vs a 710 sac
granite coral
Depends on your stats. Your crit seems low? For arms
I’m like 40/33 crit/haste I think?
I gave the gambit trinket to my healer friend because it only summed 0.6% more damage and it was a huge upgrade for him
fossil thistle
granite coral
Still no HOA trinkien tho 
granite coral
I’d trade some haste and mastery for crit until you his 40%
fossil thistle
I’d trade some haste and mastery for crit until you his 40%
Buffed I get 40%
Plus antenna
fossil thistle
Buncha damage
latent moss
anything else
fossil thistle
latent moss
cant open wowhead
fossil thistle
not really
granite coral
Sigil from where again
fossil thistle
mob dies gives vers
tbh i don't even remember, i got it week 1 and replaced M-deck of cards
latent moss
i assume that vers doesnt proc on sims
fossil thistle
fossil thistle
yea
granite coral
Ah a delve trinkie
fossil thistle
Might craft a neck next week
or i guess i could recraft bracers/belt and drop haste for crit/mast or crit/vers maybe
back to the sims
young creek
is arms slayer outperforming fury anywhere in raid right now?
void bay
lol
ionic reef
If I want to dps arms in raid do I want slayer or Colossus
spare lichen
slayer
compact geyser
i played colossus on soul hunters and it popped off.
granite coral
That makes sense
silent sun
we replacing disc belt with a myth track belt yea?
spiral coral
I had a haste/crit champ belt outsim it
Pretty sure it’s just player and gear dependent
silent sun
O.o
spiral coral
siiiiims
zenith warren
in an opener I want to wait with demolish until 10 stacks?
minor gust
in aoe yes ST no just send right after MS
jade ember
Fury (when it procs on big pulls) A-
Fury (when I play it and it only procs on ST) F
icy mulch
Sim yoself
You need to update.
icy mulch
amber phoenix
granite coral
https://imgur.com/a/7KsyCKl
Saved, are you happy
lofty pulsar
bruh devout zealots ring absolutely refuses to drop for me
nova marsh
Tettles made a meta video <:danderson:904606068108304424>
Isnt he just the main balance druid person?
willow halo
Hello I have a question regarding rotation on Arms in mythic+. Am i suppose to always use mortal strike even when sweeping is not active?
shadow ibex
keep MS on CD
lofty pulsar
mortal strike go pow big bleed
vast helm
bleak fog
How big is 4-set for arms? I game 2+2 atm and it’s not super atm 693 ilvl :).
pearl wind
wake up babe time to play the game
gentle dragon
what do u think about that?
balmy kindle
Hope he says fury and arms are shit and totally not meta
Thank you good sir now blizz give us another 5% much thanks
warped spade
what do u think about that?
Fast as fuck boi
grave mulch
gentle dragon
<:peepoHappyFisher:838631904936591401>
I was more thinking abour balance of my stats xD
Crit cap is 33 % right?
halcyon valve
There isnt really a cap
With trinket procs and crit chain from the belt from last season you can easily ger above 50% crit just via raw stats
gentle dragon
I play seaforium ( floodgate ) with idol atm
and about the balance mastery / crit?
What do u think?
pearl wind
i also use idol / pacemaker
lofty pulsar
is in for the kill just straight up better than test of might
pearl wind
yea you can fit more abilities into the cd overlap warbreaker window
but im a vibescrafter so idk actually
how high does fatality stack
not running it now and not sure if its worth
seems like it's a pvp talent
im also debating improved sweeping vs collateral dmg
latent moss
is in for the kill just straight up better than test of might
yes moving most of our spenders to 20 rage and lower rage gen killed it
latent moss
What do u think?
stats dont matter
colossus will prefer crit slayer will prefer haste
latent moss
yes moving most of our spenders to 20 rage and lower rage gen killed it
also the only reason tom was a lot better in late df
was because iftk didnt scale with blunt instruments
while tom did
lofty pulsar
oh damn i have 46% crit think i gotta put some into mastery
late wadi
hey guys what is an addon that shows better character (like secondary stats on items without howering on them) so I can ask which items should I aim to replace and which ones should I start spending valor and crests on
latent moss
oh damn i have 46% crit think i gotta put some into mastery
sim it
coral phoenix
oh damn i have 46% crit think i gotta put some into mastery
I have 29% Haste 🥲
swift crown
40-40-10-10
rough pewter
arms is back?
pearl wind
yes
hoary trail
Hey guys, what is the importance of thunderclap in arms rotation ? A filler when other aoe dealer are on cd ?
late wadi
I hate this man
I turned on combatlog but apparently I have to enable advanced combat logging
so i guess the log is useless?
and I was kinda proud of myself (Plexus HC), 704 ilvl) and wanted to see what is there to improve
oh thank god someone logged properly
how do I share a log
swift crown
you post the link
late wadi
where do I find the link in the desktop app
latent moss
im a bit dumb could you walk me through it
there are other how to sim videos
as well
i think crit made this one cause people kept asking him what to take from vault
latent moss
you post the link
dragonflight tree jumpscare
swift crown
dragonflight tree jumpscare
You cant ragebait me because I didnt play Warrior then
swift crown
<:anda:1168904285136879647>
Cant ragebait me with that either cause I'm free
swift crown
<:anda:1168904285136879647>
You are Wallife
latent moss
ex echoes raider
thick kelp
You are Wallife
latent moss
gg
boreal quartz
remix char or
thick kelp
remix char or
negative
latent moss
pauck wants a lot
boreal quartz
just gnome
latent moss
play vulpera
boreal quartz
well i can also flex race but the name is set
latent moss
slow saddle
Dranei
boreal quartz
absolutely neveer
boreal quartz
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898695696482305/1295407330967552154/...
agagagagaga
latent moss
😔
imagine if it was like
every x seconds ur next cleave costs more rage and does more damage
evil collat gameplay probably
but
boreal quartz
fuck collat
boreal quartz
hate that shit
latent moss
replace collat with sos
boreal quartz
frfr
thick kelp
replace cleave wtih sos
latent moss
they have a hard on for cleave
boreal quartz
ion fw cleave
shadow ibex
Idm it but I hate aoe after 3 seasons
Just spam cleave
If can't use MS if can't use OP
shadow ibex
By the time you reach OP cleave or MS is ready again
boreal quartz
with fob n shit
shadow ibex
Now take fob just to make cd work
2 talent points to make 1 work 
isnt so bad i guess cuz not like other talents are good in that area
Not like gonna take sos
cunning comet
pauck wants a lot
i want you to
fresh spire
i want you to
GOLD GOLD GOLD
lilac mica
Does any of you know the most uptimal way to sim Dungeon dps? Is it just dungeonslice or is it bosses with like 1minute fight time?
spiral coral
I’ve never used dungeon slice lol I just go with raid bots sims and top gear
slow saddle
Tom only in was it wod?
shadow ibex
Tom has been in bfa df and tww
Didn't exist until bfa p sure unless it was some random artifact trait in legion
latent moss
bfa azerite power no
shadow ibex
Yea
keen ember
noble kernel
what my button priorities in mythc+
cleave<-clap if no rend on pack<-ms-<op something like that ?
shadow ibex
MS could be technically highest prio to get 4pc going
noble kernel
MS could be technically highest prio to get 4pc going
but beside that is good?
and bursts as written in guides from dps faq
latent moss
cleave ms tc if no rend op
shadow ibex
but beside that is good?
and bursts as written in guides from dps faq
Yea i really just think of it as keeping the 3 good buttons on cooldown
If you can MS, MS if you can cleave cleave if you can OP OP then start back at the top
If things aren't bleeding clap your hands
sacred zodiac
play vulpera
spiral coral
I hope they make ears toggle on/off when they redo transmog
Lotta helms Vulpera/gnome ears ruin
sacred zodiac
Lotta helms Vulpera/gnome ears ruin
just dont wear helmets as those races or
their head is like 40% of their body its a bit stupid proportion wise to put a helmet on them
latent moss
idk i hate helmets anyway
crude arrow
Lotta helms Vulpera/gnome ears ruin
for me this is their charm
lofty pulsar
How are people pumping 30 mill on big pulls? On use trinkets?
I can do maybe 20
I know the cursed stone idol trinket is absurd rn though
also I see your talents cook @candid pecan
minor gust
How are people pumping 30 mill on big pulls? On use trinkets?
Press buttons in correct order, pop a pot and have an on use trinket
Ez pz
shadow ibex
90 sec trinket. Can run blademaster for more cleaves
candid pecan
and if you can, try to use a collat cleave inside CS/ravager window
shadow ibex
Crit on your demolish
candid pecan
almost there, +15 HoA will take ages with pugs
minor gust
Crit on your demolish very big very important indeed
lofty pulsar
almost there, +15 HoA will take ages with pugs <:critcake:984549832511344640>
Gonna steal your SKS big brain idea
candid pecan
its not my idea
lofty pulsar
oh
candid pecan
I copied some1 else 
pearl wind
buoyant granite
hi.some questions from a noob.
should i not burst on boss pull if i don't have 10 stacks of test of might?
minor gust
You don't mean test of might but I understand.
No ST you can send demo right after your first MS
noble kernel
If you can MS, MS if you can cleave cleave if you can OP OP then start back at t...
but in big group 10 mobs i use MS even without sweepings?
eager nexus
I need someone to tell the dh discord to unban me
shadow ibex
but in big group 10 mobs i use MS even without sweepings?
Yes
hasty pumice
almost there, +15 HoA will take ages with pugs <:critcake:984549832511344640>
How do you get invites
Or do you play your own key?
candid pecan
never give up
hasty pumice
Bro +15 invites legit broke my speed of pushing
shadow ibex
but in big group 10 mobs i use MS even without sweepings?
You only have 3 buttons just keep using them
hasty pumice
From getting resi 14 easy week 2 to getting 0 invites for hours
Either way go get em champ
minor gust
From getting resi 14 easy week 2 to getting 0 invites for hours
You NA or EU? NA pug scene has been dead all week barely any 15s or 16s ever in que
It's rough
hasty pumice
You NA or EU? NA pug scene has been dead all week barely any 15s or 16s ever in ...
EU
It's not like there's no keys up
I even offer to swap between fury / arms depending on our prio / ST damage
I'm just not getting any invites
minor gust
There's just no keys up for NA unfort
Only like 3-4 at a time in the 16 lvl
Takes almost an hour to fill your own 16
shadow ibex
Probably not until turbo
minor gust
Cuz tanks don't exist on NA
minor gust
Probably not until turbo
What I'm thinking. Na are meta andys they waiting for turbo boost and a clear meta comp
pearl wind
meta chasers smh
shadow ibex
Well that + ilvl increase will put ppl in keys they aren't good enough to do now
hasty pumice
noble kernel
You only have 3 buttons just keep using them
Cleave MS OP TC and execute
What place execute takes in this case in m+
minor gust
Replaces slam
minor gust
Cleave MS OP TC and execute
What place execute takes in this case in m+
Also should really be TC > OP if playing Arterial bleeding. Unless every mob in the pack has rend on it
noble kernel
but what about execute 😕
soft gust
Execute is just filler
minor gust
but what about execute 😕
Just said it replaced slam
If you can execute anytime you would press slam you will press execute instead
So you will rarely ever press it
noble kernel
aaaah I see
omg so rarely
lone anvil
I've been playing both Arms and Fury lately and Arms has been doing more in keys that generally have bigger pulls
minor gust
That is indeed what Colossus is good at big aoe
Both have their place in M+ right now. Overall isn't the end all be all
noble kernel
6mil in mythic+ is decent?
top1 7mil top3 5mil
minor gust
6mil in mythic+ is decent?
top1 7mil top3 5mil
Did you beat the other two DPS all that matters because you can't really compare overall numbers like that since every key will be different
Overall is affected by to many things that are out of your control
noble kernel
yeah i was between arcane and demo
may be you could show your dps by abilities
so i understand where dmg comes from better
minor gust
Genuinely if you ever wanna get better at M+ record yourself and vod review after
That will be the best way every time
Then compare your runs to other players like Critcakes or Bizentien
noble kernel
after prot is so easy and no brain
because i play with team as protection and pump 4.5mil
wanted to play smth different since warrior geared well
but stats after prot is shit
thick kelp
arms and prot play same stats
noble kernel
feels like haste too much and not enough crits if comparing to murlok
last saddle
i need that dawnbreaker ring
minor gust
it just sucks being fury and having to find a jillion crit to swap
Literally just get streets neck and dawn breaker ring and your good
last saddle
Literally just get streets neck and dawn breaker ring and your good
thats still only 8k crit
theres no giga crit items this season with like 7k on em
besides buying an entropy
theres that logic gate alpha i guess
minor gust
There's no shot none of your gear has crit
cunning pond
What is average overall at the end of dungeons, I am struggling to hit 8mil
last saddle
minor gust
You still want Crit as fury
minor gust
Yes really
last saddle
i have crit trinks
so isnt low crit better
i compare top gear and crit jewelry is a big downgrade for me
minor gust
Yeah also 11% that's what better than 4 swap out your jewelry for Crit jewelry and that's more than fine
Literally what I did
minor gust
i compare top gear and crit jewelry is a big downgrade for me
Not what I meant by fury wants Crit but your fury Crit is fine at 11% thought you had like 4
minor gust
Ah yeah I read that wrong then
last saddle
DB one is better, i ahvethe streets one already which is nice
last saddle
would put me at like 17k i think yea
i want them for prot anyways
7k crit though
we have too many fdks for me to ever be given this
minor gust
My arms set runs street neck dawn ring and a haste vers ring
You hopefully won't need if you get some other gear pieces with Crit
noble kernel
aW SNAP
last saddle
you are way over on haste lol
stat weights are only true for the exact amounts you are currently at though, they havent been linear for like 15 years
candid pecan
last saddle
its like the derivative of the actual value of the stats now
weak wave
I'm confused now.
Wowhead sais crit > haste for arms but Archon warriors have way more haste.
What's 'true'?
obsidian arch
recently jumped back into wow are long break. damage is kinda poop on 2 set. how much will it jump on 4 set? a fair bit or not much
weak wave
sim your gear
That doesn't help much
minor gust
I'm confused now.
Wowhead sais crit > haste for arms but Archon warriors have wa...
Slayer arms has always wanted more haste and mastery
Didn't want that much crit
silent saddle
hey guys, should I listen to raidbots when it tells me to focus more mastery than crit? I was under the assumption that I should just get all crit gear/jewelry, but when I ran droptimizer it wants me to drop some of my crit gear for high mastery stuff.
I'm simming pathwerk 10 target 1:30min
minor gust
Stats on guides are just a meme
thick kelp
hey guys, should I listen to raidbots when it tells me to focus more mastery tha...
you are simming 10t
aoe arms favors mastery
silent saddle
okay gotcha
I'll try single target. I only really do keys
is dungeon slice a good sim for arms or no?
thick kelp
no
silent saddle
gotcha, thanks
sly geode
Hi, is Slayer okay/fun to play this season in m+?
minor gust
It's ok and fun is up to you
silent saddle
so I haven't been able to loot stone idol yet, but when I do.. is it something you have to press separately? I assume since it has a cast time you can't really macro it onto anything
soft gust
I have it macroes with an alternate charge keybind
Lets it channel while you run in
And sim casts charge and idol simultaneously on pull
last saddle
silent saddle
do you want to cast it on charge though? doesn't it want to hit multiple targets, and isn't there a bit of a ramp-up time before you send?
last saddle
ran 1 streets as arms@minor gust
soft gust
do you want to cast it on charge though? doesn't it want to hit multiple targets...
It has a 1 sec cast time and then it goes off, you reach the group of targets before it goes off
minor gust
It has a 1 sec cast time and then it goes off, you reach the group of targets be...
As long as your hitting all the targets with it. The uncapped dmg that trinket does is pretty understated. Plus you want all that extra juicy Crit from hitting things
charred brook
Unless your tank takes a while to broil? (Group) then I would wait until you’re done grouping
minor gust
ran 1 streets as arms<@404826388701380608>
Absolute gamer
Yeee what Eddie said
I personally wouldn't macro idol into anything
charred brook
autocorrect going sicko mode apparently
silent saddle
Also do you guys like to build to 10 stacks at the start of a dungeon before sending everything?
I love that 10 stack demolisher, but I guess depends if the pack will live long enough
spiral coral
just dont wear helmets as those races or
I just want the option that’s all
minor gust
Also do you guys like to build to 10 stacks at the start of a dungeon before sen...
Are you asking about before key starts or first pull of the dung when you have no stacks
silent saddle
Are you asking about before key starts or first pull of the dung when you have n...
After key starts and you have no stacks for first pull
minor gust
After key starts and you have no stacks for first pull
Always in AOE build to 10 stacks first. ST you can send natty no stacks after first MS
Will be easy to build stacks in AOE with ravager and SS
silent saddle
Oh snap I don't think I knew Ravager built stacks, nice
halcyon valve
Ravager doesnt, the unhinged free mortal strikes do
sharp tendon
What is a good crit % for col to have
halcyon valve
Sim it
minor gust
Oh snap I don't think I knew Ravager built stacks, nice
Read the talent unhinged. Ravager will cast mortal strikes
Which gives you stacks
silent saddle
Aah dope, cool
minor gust
What is a good crit % for col to have
If you don't wanna sim just get close to 40% and vibe. But any question about gear and stats should just sim
tacit crystal
@minor gust @charred brook io check
random gazelle
Does the MS from unhinged cleave with SS?
hexed saddle
no
minor gust
<@404826388701380608> <@185783660706922498> io check
Haven't played much at all this week at 3220 still like last week
NA pug scene has been dead all week
Whenever im on
minor gust
does everyone take merciliess bonegrinder for m+?
Why would you not want to take it
tacit crystal
Haven't played much at all this week at 3220 still like last week
i think im at about the same
though i have a 12 priory still
ill get like 60 points from a 16 priory
minor gust
I just need priory and HOA for 15 resil. But I rarely see them
So trying to get invited as a warrior plus barely any groups its rough
If only NA didn't suck so much
Watched Biz open up lfg and was filled with high keys
tacit crystal
eu is bis for m+ scene it seems
hexed saddle
If only NA didn't suck so much
i didnt even know u were NA
tacit crystal
and 100% because i dont have a weapon
tacit crystal
i didnt even know u were NA
bro sleeps omega late
what weapon does your warrior got
thick kelp
Crafted obv
tacit crystal
i need showing belly to be big for my raid
start them now
bozo do you have an alt thats geared
tacit crystal
whta happened to the pash that you had 4 days ago
hexed saddle
i already told u my hm tazavesh was at 9
hexed saddle
i dont play wow until after 6pm
i forgot to respond the other day but i fell asleep
gleaming mortar
Does any know if you have war breaker debuff on mobs, and then you demolish, and the war breaker debuff falls off before the demolish finishes, does the whole demolish still get the war breaker bonus damage?
pearl wind
just did a 16 eco and did dogshit damage 😭 wth
im gonna try arterial bleed
wowanalyzer says i didn't send cds often enough but i try to line them up to sync them
i should just send them more whenever available unless its under 10sec to sync
i was only 6.15m overall, the other 2 dps were 7-7.5
surreal geyser
first key ever in my life on arms, 4.7m overall, should details look like this or nah?
thick kelp
Rend is very low
surreal geyser
707 ilvl
pearl wind
demolish more
thick kelp
More claps to spread rend and aim your demolish better
pearl wind
my demolish and cleave are about same
minor gust
Does any know if you have war breaker debuff on mobs, and then you demolish, and...
Demolish will not be buffed if WB falls off before the final hit.
pearl wind
though im also trash apparently so
minor gust
my demolish and cleave are about same
That's relatively normal now with this tier set and if running arterial bleeding
surreal geyser
hm okay tclap more, demolish more, gotcha, should i use demolish on cd or pair only with warbreaker?
pearl wind
try and sync them but not if they're like desynced by 20s or something
otherwise just send i think
surreal geyser
its a small radius around the target? not a frontal i hope
tacit crystal
frontal
thick kelp
its a small radius around the target? not a frontal i hope
its a frontal
tacit crystal
i liked the cool spinny swords tehy had on ptr
surreal geyser
hm then i def aimed wrong, thought it was just a small aoe around your guy
minor gust
I liked the ghost shit too unfort it's gone
surreal geyser
and, mortal strike with sweeping in aoe? or spam cleave?
shadow ibex
Demo should be wb hitbox
stuck axle
Cleave > MS > OP
minor gust
and, mortal strike with sweeping in aoe? or spam cleave?
All this stuff is in any of the guides in dps faq
thick kelp
hm then i def aimed wrong, thought it was just a small aoe around your guy
Hope this helps
thick kelp
and, mortal strike with sweeping in aoe? or spam cleave?
hit ms when you cant hit cleave
surreal geyser
very nicely drawn haha
minor gust
Cleave > MS > OP
Realistically with col and art it's cleave > Ms > TC till everything has rend > op
surreal geyser
thanks guess its common knowledge but common knowledge i didnt know heh, appreciated
glacial rapids
🤣
tacit crystal
where is frost scythe
void bay
where is frost scythe
charred brook
<@404826388701380608> <@185783660706922498> io check
im only 3k rn
busy with work and raid havent pushed at all
spiral coral
I need more of these. Can we get a rotation prio made in ms paint cause I want it
nova marsh
Actually peak
slate crest
arterial no sks
minor gust
But you gotta pump those numbers up here in the club we do at least 9mil sheeesshhh
forest perch
Anyone having good results as slayer in m+
last saddle
Anyone having good results as slayer in m+
i do but as fury
forest perch
How about arms
spiral coral
i do but as fury
Arms slayer in m+ seems like it would be trolling
spiral coral
I tried it. It felt awful lol
pearl wind
arms slayer was great until 4pc and better gear
just storm reaping
then it was definitely colossus time
i think they should buff colossus size increase
pearl wind
But you gotta pump those numbers up here in the club we do at least 9mil sheeess...
yea I dunno how to get there, not sure what the diff is
forest perch
i think they should buff colossus size increase
Yes, the more stack the bigger we get, then once we blow our load we become small again
pearl wind
forest perch
Visually it would be fun lol
minor gust
Arms slayer in m+ seems like it would be trolling
It's not trolling
minor gust
yea I dunno how to get there, not sure what the diff is
Don't worry was mostly memeing anyways. Overall is not something to really worry about as there's like 10 different things that affect overall outcome that you have no control over
If you want to improve at M+ looking at overall won't help you
stable socket
are the sims for the chaotic nethergate wrong, I dont know if anyone has tried it yet in M+ but it can be like 6-10% of damage and do like 60m per cast
zenith warren
picked sac from the vault and got it again in tazavesh hm reeeee
rustic radish
Can you help me out? Do you think that's okay or not enough?
For a Halls 12+
silent saddle
can someone explain how colossal might and arterial bleed work? so bleed dmg increases as you stack up your colossal might, but demolisher will drop all the stackss yeah? then you just build to 10 again until next demolisher.
do you have to re-apply your bleeds at 10 stacks, or will it effect previous bleeds?
I guess TLDR I'm just wondering if I should be re-applying bleeds at 10 stacks of CM
spiral coral
Only time you should be re-applying bleeds is if the fight is going to be prolonged and the bleeds will be effective. Otherwise just normal prio.
silent saddle
cool okay, thanks
one other thing I've noticed in practice since switching Arms is it'll be a little frustrating when demolisher turns my character to lock onto my current target, which I worry takes some mobs out of my frontal cone. is that just something I have to get used to positioning? or can I assume the cone is large enough to include most things
fresh spire
Demolish will always follow the target you cast it on
minor gust
Yes your gonna have to get used to how demolish works
fresh spire
as its a targeted slam
minor gust
It focuses on your target
minor gust
Scroll up for a nice MS paint picture for what the cone is like
jade ember
guys i cant get stone idol to drop does anyone have a spare
shadow ibex
loot it in vault tuesday
jade ember
bet im blaming you if its 3 belts tho
pearl wind
If you want to improve at M+ looking at overall won't help you
a lot of it is just up to how the tank pulls really
minor gust
a lot of it is just up to how the tank pulls really
How good the tank is yeah, how good the other DPS are, are there any deaths, when you lust, etc etc there's a lot of things that will affect overall not just your performance.
If you wanna get better at M+ you have to record yourself and vod review after
Hands down best way to improve.
pearl wind
facts, like taking a video of your form so you can see from third perspective
wooden lava
bad tank pulls as colossus makes me want to crash out
i swear
i've substantially improved as a tank myself based on running with shitty ones and realizing how much it sucks to be a dps in those runs
shadow ibex
playing colossus and tank not doing mega pulls is
minor gust
bad tank pulls as colossus makes me want to crash out
Brewmaster ring of peacing the mobs right when you demolish
Always a classic
wooden lava
colossus feels like it has such good impact with big pulls
pearl wind
Brewmaster ring of peacing the mobs right when you demolish
druid typhooning them behind you the instant you commit to demo
minor gust
Well when demolish hits like a Nuke right now thanks to tier soo yeah gonna feel amazing on large pulls
latent moss
Brewmaster ring of peacing the mobs right when you demolish
crashout incoming
wooden lava
prot keeps fucking over fury/arms
it's getting a bit obnoxious at this point
the mt set nerf was cos of prot
and col set nerf was also cos of prot?
shadow ibex
they nerfed the thane tier without nerfing the fury tier tho
so they cando it just didnt
shadow ibex
the mt set nerf was cos of prot
they didnt nerf fury thane just prot
wooden lava
lmao
bro who is our fucking dev
how do you treat one of the most popular classes in the game like this
and keep your job
between arms and fury, dont we make up like a large portion of players
minor gust
crashout incoming
The two other players I was in discord with all heard me yell and was really confused when a brew did that to me last week
I fucking yelled like someone murdered my wife lmao
Watched my demolish go from about to hit 12 mobs to 1
wooden lava
my dh friend would kite mobs out of my demolish all the time
and i'd yell too
he got used to staying more still
shadow ibex
bro who is our fucking dev
glad more of yall finally being radicalized
first krisp now you
spiral coral
between arms and fury, dont we make up like a large portion of players
Hot take: it’s so big because it’s good
silent saddle
Arms feels very good right now. Fury is a bit frustrating on the overall but the prio/boss dmg is nice
rare kite
between arms and fury, dont we make up like a large portion of players
well mostly fury, but yes
minor gust
my dh friend would kite mobs out of my demolish all the time
At least that one was pretty much fixed
minor gust
bro who is our fucking dev
Ever since the guy who claimed to be the rogue/DH dev in DF went silent and how they do class changes it's pretty safe to say the class design team is prob just a small group that all collectively work on all the classes. Would be my best guess
If there was actual devs assigned to classes no shot we wouldn't be so shafted when they changes we needed this expansion are so simple
latent moss
I fucking yelled like someone murdered my wife lmao
valid
latent moss
Ever since the guy who claimed to be the rogue/DH dev in DF went silent and how ...
afaik if a dev is interested in some class they just swap to work on it
so ye there prob arent class specific devs
weird idk
minor gust
Yeah, definitely 100% feels like they just focus on a couple classes every patch and and calls it a day
shadow ibex
the way they probably view it is there's always something really good you can reroll to
latent moss
to be 100% honest
wooden lava
i just don't get how we're shafted in all regards
latent moss
they intentionally make some classes weak to diversify the game
like riot does in league
shadow ibex
i just don't get how we're shafted in all regards
why work on it if it wont make you money
ppl arent going to quit over it
minor gust
i just don't get how we're shafted in all regards
Because most likely in their eyes warrior is fine
latent moss
Because most likely in their eyes warrior is fine
also true
latent moss
generally people know very little about other classes
and if ure doing fine number wise
people assume ure fine
latent moss
but i think rogue and warrior having bad design at this point
i think everyone knows our design is bad
wooden lava
i'm watching ele shamans press 3 buttons
and just giga gap everyone
warlocks are out of control
some of the best warriors i know
latent moss
warriors just need flavor
wooden lava
are being sat
latent moss
this class is completely flavorlese
wooden lava
so they can bring an extra ranged
latent moss
and thats what pisses me off
minor gust
I'm hoping the rumors are true for next expansion that there's gonna be massive class reworks for every class
latent moss
the most
minor gust
To go a long with their addon philosophy of simplifying the game more
wooden lava
the only reason I'm ever brought is because I just do more dmg
but if the locks/mages in my guild actually started doing good dmg, i'd be gone in a heartbeat
ironically, warrior somehow feels more fun and impactful in M+ than it does in raid
abstract cairn
how much crit is too much crit?
40%? for arms
latent moss
sim it
shadow ibex
ironically, warrior somehow feels more fun and impactful in M+ than it does in r...
its felt like ass in raid all expac imo
cept for court
latent moss
40% for colo is fine but for slayer prolly too much but again, sim it
shadow ibex
and mugze but even that is just jugg gamba
wooden lava
its felt like ass in raid all expac imo
i did have fun on mug'zee as arms
until i had to drop jug stacks
shadow ibex
yea only reason it was fun cuz you had reliable mobs to stack it with
and even then it dropped
junior spruce
Hey guys, is Arms Warrior back in raid?
wooden lava
🤷
It's not better than fury if that's what you're asking
but it does have a couple fights where colossus can shine
namely Soulbinder, Forgeweaver, Soul Hunters
junior spruce
I see, thank you. :)
wooden lava
but you'd have to be a really good warrior to make colossus shine on those fights
like elite
cos mountain thane is braindead and does better or comparable damage
@sage badge how is arms
minor gust
I'm playing unholy dk
not even frost sheeeessshhh
hasty pumice
i legit dont understand how I'm getting declined on every single application
+15 isnt even prestige anymore, like wtf happened between 14 and 15
this is so frustrating
halcyon valve
I miss when arms owned
Arms always owns 
sage badge
not even frost sheeeessshhh
Unholy 
flat willow
this little talent gives you the feeling of playing an arms warrior going from bottom to top of the dps meter
without the negative of playing arms warrior
flat willow
and, the cherry on top. You can just pretend your death knight is your arms warrior that died
minor gust
halcyon valve
without the negative of playing arms warrior
As far as im concerned there is no negative to playing arms 
flat willow
As far as im concerned there is no negative to playing arms <:xeos:9455016978479...
I'm being a little unfair, it's only 80% of the talents that suck
spiral coral
I'm playing unholy dk
dang
That kinda hurt to read ngl
MY BOY DESWIND, THEY GOT EM
halcyon valve
You can summon whitemane by opening a private tab uhh i mean what
void bay
+15 isnt even prestige anymore, like wtf happened between 14 and 15
can u help me do some 10s for the weekly Dr Phillip
hasty pumice
first try hoa 15 feels good after the endless shitshow that was hoa 14
but that was close af
sacred zodiac
wouldve timed it as fury gg
hasty pumice
it is timed
untold trench
to be fair, he said it would be timed as fury - not that it wasnt
I will say: it would been easier timed if Fury
hasty pumice
semantics people
also I tried the shockwave cd reduction talent for the first time on arms due to knockup
and man it feels fucking good for pugs
untold trench
its so good
hasty pumice
ngl shockwave is the main reason I cant enjoy fury in M+
getting fucked by aoe stun DR doesnt feel good
knockup? 
minor gust
yeah its rough when your spoiled with Colossus Shockwave
hasty pumice
spiral coral
I thought DH had something similar
spiral coral
I logged into my DH and chaos nova is like 10k less dam and 1 less second
So pretty close
hasty pumice
damage
spiral coral
Idk about leg sweep
hasty pumice
pog
minor gust
dmg is not even a factor the reason why col shockwave is so good is its insanely short CD while also having a Knock up component meaning it will always be useful as an aoe stop and will not have to worry about DR
spiral coral
I just have been bringing and playing with dh's more cause I won't play with pallys and noticed thier stuns being comparable to mine
good spec
gaunt owl
https://tenor.com/view/pour-one-out-for-the-homies-old-english800-gif-14309934
you terrorist
fucking discord sucking
couldnt tag him somehow
spiral coral
I was like, pouring one out for the homie cause he isn't playing warrior
void bay
Never heard of olde English... Expecting it to be an English beer, but nope it's American piss, just like budweiser is piss with the name stolen from Czech republic
fading vine
What spec do you guys run on Araz? M+ or Slayer?
wooden lava
Never heard of olde English... Expecting it to be an English beer, but nope it's...
Don't hate
I love crushing borderline water
hasty pumice
@minor gust bro
I got into a 4 man premade for one key
the difference is out of this world
i even died on the first BL pull from the first swirlie like a loser
minor gust
ez pz
shadow ibex
Never heard of olde English... Expecting it to be an English beer, but nope it's...
As someone who's worked with beer my whole life
This is fuckin hilarious lmao
void bay
As someone who's worked with beer my whole life
Does that mean "alcoholic"?
mortal crag
dmg is not even a factor the reason why col shockwave is so good is its insanely...
Honestly I actually miss it. It's the most redeeming quality arms has imo.
I gotta try arms again but fury just fucks
sly stirrup
What is the optimal setup to use skullsplitter now in S3 for M+? I dont quite understand circumstances for it that best benefit the rest of the group in terms of dmg
glacial rapids
Use on prio targets after demolish.
sly stirrup
Use on prio targets after demolish.
thank you
shadow ibex
Does that mean "alcoholic"?
ironically i do not drink despite working in the industry for like 10 years
void bay
oh
shadow ibex
I think you can get 4 16oz cans of old English for like $3
void bay
lol
shadow ibex
that's why that was so funny lol
shadow ibex
try some lionshead
void bay
I dont drink anymore
shadow ibex
Rework surely