arms

[minor gust]

most likely not

[latent moss]

ye also that

[celest forge]

Is 14,000 versatility too much?

[latent moss]

sim it

but most likely is ye

we dont want vers until we are dring in other stats usually

[celest forge]

Ok thanks

Just haven't had any good crit/haste rings so I'm using one with tons of vers

[latent moss]

Yet another bug has been found. After the hotfix which removed the double dipping from caustic, caustic spatter damage does not singular focus, removing a fundamental portion of assassination’s funnel. Given we have YET ANOTHER impactful bug, I want to go over the list of important issues as of now. These are not tuning issues directly, they are simply not functioning the way they properly should.

General,
Sudden Demise’s execute simply doesn’t work in open world/delves because of ilvl world scaling,
Twist the knife still causes weird envenom timers when the new envenom is shorter than a previous envenom,
sanguine blades still double dips the spec aura just like caustic did, so it’s actually 36% currently,

Deathstalker,
Fatal Intent is severely undertuned but it also has a chance to fizzle. While it pops at 20%, it stops stacking at 30%, meaning you could just lose it entirely on long fights,
momentum of despair simply does not work after pressing shiv with the 2pc equipped,
singular focus does not work with caustic spatter anymore

there are more but cba linking everything

i think whispyr made a video on it

half the spec is bugged

[minor gust]

oof

well guess my rogue buddy is gonna be happy Sub is the only choice now

[stable fiber]

arms actually owns so hard in m+

[wind tinsel]

Did arms get a second 8% buff, or was that just last week's getting listed again?

[sacred zodiac]

yap yap yap

[spiral coral]

🤫 still need work tho

[icy mulch]

@magic canopy That Arms vault doh. lol

[magic canopy]

yeah i took the idol eventually

[icy mulch]

Good

[magic canopy]

but wowee alot of crit

[icy mulch]

That thing is cracked

My current trinkets for almost everything.

[magic canopy]

god damn you're more geared then me

[icy mulch]

I've had some luck with these vaults

Week one was a mythic weapon and now the antenna

[minor gust]

holy

mines been avg

both have been myth tier

[wanton sierra]

holy cow

[grave mulch]

Damn woke up and no ele and no dev nerfs

And no ret nerf

[outer forge]

does ret need to be nerfed? or just deserve to be?

[grave mulch]

Yea so they lock the discord down and cry

And not submit a simc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1405832910250053743/arms_deadge.gif

[fading vine]

Shit, Seaforium is still good this season isn't it

[queen star]

yea

[fading vine]

Yeah just got one in my vault. It's that or I grab the hero track gloves, pop my catalyst on it and have 4p

But I'll be raiding so I might just take the seaforium

[queen star]

for sure grab seaforium then I'd say, you can grind out the hero track gloves elsewhere 😛

[fading vine]

Yeah that's what I was leaning towards WELP HERE'S TO ANOTHER SEASON OF SEAFORIUM

[queen star]

i never saw one in the vault last season, game insisted on showing me that 2min priory trinket

[fading vine]

These 2min CDs are killing me the 1.5mil ones lined up so well with avatar

;-;

[queen star]

yeah

[pearl wind]

i didnt get any 10s week 1 because i was still waffling about which character i wanted to main

i bet it would have been a myth weapon 😤

[grave mulch]

Im at the point where vers is looking really attractive

[void bay]

Aug evoker

[distant urchin]

Hi there! i did get Mythic wp from Vault , my question is where to invest my 2 sparks , wrist and...?

[tribal meteor]

To all arms enjoyers without skullsplitter ofc, Dreadnaught or Strength of arms ?

[main wing]

Soa since OP isnt buffed by tier

[teal fossil]

Just st vs aoe

They are equally good(bad)

[main wing]

^

[shadow ibex]

Die sks die

[pearl wind]

i prefer SOA

with demolish anyway, as slayer arms maybe i'd do dreadnaught

[teal fossil]

true feelycrafter

[compact geyser]

hows the overall at end of run looking running sks compared to not running it ?

[minor gust]

your not gonna notice a difference in overall

on something like that

[balmy kindle]

Arterial bleeding or foc in m+

[charred olive]

I know arms doesn’t have the best damage profile rn but just popping in wondering how it feels to play

[rare kite]

feels okayish to play in m+. dogshit in raid, juggernaut needs to die

[void bay]

https://tenor.com/view/juggernaut-juggernaut-bitch-i'm-the-juggernaut-gif-3089378895832442936

[charred olive]

Meh. I love my warrior but unless it’s at least fun or does big, what’s the point

[rare kite]

some of us are on the big copium that warrior will get a rework in midnight

[charred olive]

Sounds like a Cinderella story

[spiral coral]

oh. my. god. I’ve never heard more shit about phys comp than this season

[lime ruin]

I parsed 100 on Soul Hunter and my damage was still ass compared to the rest of the raid

[shadow ibex]

its not a great fight for us

[icy mulch]

Well, don't expect to get a good parse on Soulbinder either. At least if your group's DPS is good enough to ignore second round of breaking canisters.

Rank 1 kill time was almost 8 mins, so they cheesed it. lol

[halcyon grove]

fuk fuk

[royal steppe]

chest or trinket

[smoky kayak]

M chest is relatively easy to get, since it drops from the first raid boss

depends on how highly you value the trinket - how serious you are about M+

[icy mulch]

and Idol is huge for M+

[smoky kayak]

I got R2 Fury last week; missed R1 by <200k after popping my 2nd ava early

[royal steppe]

ty fellas

[icy mulch]

Yeah, R1 isn't gonna be doable without cheesing extra wave of adds though. So I'm boned on getting a good parse there.

Cause we're just totally skipping second wave of adds.

[halcyon grove]

whats the play here guys for the trink i think im the 3rd in the row wep is good also soon killing 4th mythic boss

[shadow ibex]

i got mythic sac and mythic shoulders

idk what to take

passed on m sac last week for m weapon

[stoic epoch]

pacemaker or tset shoulders ? Do we even take Pacemaker? atm i have sacbrood and idol

[smoky kayak]

its a good M+ trinket, but I wouldn't consider it a must have

[halcyon grove]

+1

[stoic epoch]

i dont mythic raid

[halcyon grove]

for m+ is antenna and idol right?

[stoic epoch]

so prolly shoulders?

[ionic reef]

shoulders for sure

[smoky kayak]

you gotta decide what you're more likely to see drop (and win) - a weapon or trinket

[smoky kayak]

yes, though antenna can be kind of hit or miss in high movement

[grim hull]

https://gyazo.com/c48528a6673dcfd8715a39dd3f187dc3

f#ck what to get 😐

[smoky kayak]

whatever item you're least likely to see elsewhere

[grim hull]

ring is bis endgame

according to ur guide ❤️

so prolly ring ;d

[smoky kayak]

bis only matters in the context of having all of those items

[grim hull]

ow i c

i never looked in that way

[smoky kayak]

if you don't M raid and didn't craft a weapon, I'd probably go weap

[grim hull]

i crafted a weapon

[smoky kayak]

if you do M raid and expect to kill Forgeweaver anytime soon, and/or you did craft a weapon, then you can probably forgo it

[grim hull]

but i dont raid myth this season

[smoky kayak]

I would definitely run this through sims to see what it says, but if you crafted a weapon you can prob afford to go for chest or ring

[grim hull]

appreciate u bro

❤️

[stoic epoch]

@smoky kayak would you rather take the pacemaker or shoulders ? If you dont mythic raid pacemaker is the best m+ trinket passive wise if i see sims right correct?

[grim hull]

trinket for suuuure

[smoky kayak]

generally the best yeah
keep in mind that you'll probably be able to buy it after turbo boost in a few weeks

but by then there's a good chance you'll have found some other M shoulders too, so its a bit of a toss up

assuming you don't have M trinkets elsewhere, I'd probably go with Pacemaker as a M+ focused player

[stoic epoch]

tyvm

[lapis crystal]

I dont really know what to choose

do we have another catalyser this week or the next week

[shadow ibex]

this week is cata week

size colossus meta

[fading vine]

This sims higher than hero track seaforium O.o but I'm assuming sac brood or stone idol is better

[shadow ibex]

whatever one sims higher be better

[hasty pumice]

oof thats garbage (already have a weapon)

[smoky kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-harrelson-crying-money-wipe-tears-rich-gif-16201471

rich people problems

[hasty pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-shirt-rip-gif-26569973

[slow saddle]

to me this is easy. 100% antenna

theres a big line for that trinket in raid

and weapons drops from bosses which i presume u clear

[ancient escarp]

Is a myth chest or a myth cursed stone idol better? Assuming the other stays at hero

[nova marsh]

S I M

[slow saddle]

guess i want a ring ^_^

[pearl wind]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

just gotta start linkin this

[lapis crystal]

Hey i asking myself the first two week i craft bracers and belt for my arms and now i have to wait a lot for crafting a weapon (if i cant get a good one) so it is ok if i upgrade my helmet mythe with my gilded shield ?

[balmy kindle]

Always craft weapon if no M slot

[shadow ibex]

can wait until after your raid for the week is done

but really if you have no other use for crests no reason to sit on them

you can craft this week since you have not enough sparks

[strange perch]

Can someone send me theri aoe sim as arms I want to compare it to my character

[night niche]

nice with socket as second vault

[balmy kindle]

Holy insane vault 👀

[normal cipher]

I have been a lucky boy and gotten both pacemaker myth track and stone idol hero track in vault.

Unsure which one to take 😅 Idol seems to sim better but it’s hero track so not sure if pacemaker is the better choice?

[balmy kindle]

Would take peacemaker myth since it's passive

[dusty summit]

For sure, hero track you can farm as well

[void lily]

Arms worth having as an alt?

[lusty quest]

no

[hoary trail]

Holy shit

[blissful tree]

yeah..and i took gloves...

[hoary trail]

Jail…

didnt had 4P ?

[blissful tree]

sure i have.

but hand are chamption track and those trinkets are not that much better compare to my setup.

sure, idol for m+, but i mainly have to focus on raid

[void lily]

Why is that?

[midnight mural]

It absolutely is 🙂

[lusty quest]

well its somewhat fun in m+

[void lily]

i love arms just hearing mixed things

[lusty quest]

if you like it you should play it

[terse grove]

hey im studying the AOE priorty of col right now... does thus mean we'd rather go afk then using slam in aoe?

[acoustic mulch]

why do you wanna press slam in aoe? you have Point 9 to 14

[terse grove]

given execute is here in the rotation

it means there's a chance you'll run out of 9 to 13

so what do u do when u run out of those when things arent in execute range

[pearl wind]

got 3k as arms today 😮‍💨

it wasn't easy for me lol

[thick kelp]

you run out of pack and charge back in

[limber cove]

now after weapon what do we craft next

[thick kelp]

Use your heroic free crest to craft wrists with the nerub patch OR mythic crests to craft Chest/Legs IF you dont already have a better sink for your mythic crests and dont have either of those on ATLEAST hero track

[eager sigil]

rings are also good

[limber cove]

so no belt like i see on some guidde

[slow saddle]

Ok trying to play COL

with no crit

like 50% uptime on deeper wounds

i cannot reccomend :D:D

for the life of me i couldnt get MS to crit when needed haha 😄

[slow saddle]

good job man

takes effort to hit 3k

[pearl wind]

[latent moss]

ye its not a good idea

sims always tell me my crit is enough

but when i get more i just get bigger overalls

[void lily]

hows arms feeling at those higher keys?

[latent moss]

very good

[pearl wind]

It slaps

[latent moss]

if packs live u can properly play

[pearl wind]

especially on multitarget

[void lily]

sheesh.

[pearl wind]

the biggest issue I have is forced downtime with RP and stuff

[void lily]

making it hard to choose arms or ret lol

[pearl wind]

starting from 0 stacks

slow startup

but stuff lives long enough that even if you do no dmg for like 10-15 seconds depending on rng your giga stone idol avatar tempered pot warbreaker demolish into swept cleaves/ms will rocket you to the top dps and your sustain is quite good

if your cds line up you have a punchy ST burst too but the sustained ST is not so great

and any bosses with forced downtime will own you

like last boss of dawn i struggle with

[void lily]

as long as i can compete idc

[pearl wind]

last boss of streets if the rp isnt pre-started

you definitely can compete but im not sure i can or will push for like 3500 or anything

[void lily]

ive never pushed 3k lol

[pearl wind]

probably get like +14 resil at most for me

maybe 15

[void lily]

my war is 655 lol so i got some gearing to do

[pearl wind]

i just did a 14 dawn in time and grey parsed due to deaths.. arms starts to feel very Soft when casters look at you with kick on cd

and i have shadowmeld too

[void lily]

oof. my war is a chonky cow and im kinda sick of seeing it lol

[pearl wind]

shadowmeld seems like really valuable to me

if your reflect is on cd or you are late to hitting it on like a channel (priory light elementals) you can just shadowmeld it off

reflecting the channel or abyssal blast from minibosses in dawn is excellent

[dawn lynx]

Loving arms in low io. Just started tww last week, consistently #1 every single pull and overall, in raid top 3

It blasts once you get your groove going

So many cds too I always just sync as many up with ss as possible

[stoic epoch]

what did i miss that Storm bolt is above MS in execute phase? but not mentioned in St prio ?

[latent moss]

its not above ms

its castable during bladestrom

and since we cant do anything during it we can stormbolt

for some miniscule amount of dps

[stoic epoch]

bladestorm isnt selected

[latent moss]

@smoky kayak

it should say during bladestorm

[stoic epoch]

that makes sense then

i thought i was an idiot all the time in m+

for not pressing Storm bolt on ST execute phase

[latent moss]

and thats only as slayer cause slayer can cast during bladestorm

but u would never play bladestorm as colo anyway

[mint patio]

few noob questions here as the tooltip is rather ambiguous... 4set for arms, does MS increase the rend/deep wounds on just the target hit by MS or all targets? and is it only the MS after demo that gives this bonus, or anytime MS crits?

[pearl wind]

i dont run bladestorm but if i did i wouldnt cast it during BS unless it was to interrupt a mob that was casting something i either couldn't pummel or it's an ability that isn't technically a spell cast

its on cooldown constantly anyway

kicks and stops are super key

[latent moss]

all targets whenever it crits

[latent moss]

ye its a st thing

[pearl wind]

raiding? whats that

:p

i play with battlelord so im basically always fishing for MS reset or resorting to slam i guess i only storm bolt if forced away from the boss

cant cast mortal strike in bladestorm 🤔

[fresh spire]

holy make stormbolt do insane damage to execute targets

[latent moss]

talent into 6second stun if under 35% or increased damage by 5000%

(u always take the damage)

[fresh spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/702621025048854599/1065702526818729984/gromnakbubble.gif

[latent moss]

piano opener

[thick kelp]

are u good at piano

[latent moss]

collatmaxxing inbound vro

can u prestack

still

[slow saddle]

i 100% need idot 😄

[thick kelp]

no

[pearl wind]

me begging the tank to get a crumb of actual threat on at least 1 guy in the first pull of gambit so i can mortal strike it a few times before its all grouped up

🥺

[lean wraith]

guys im a bit confused, i can see that the arms m+ build takes skullspitter, is this just because of the colossus 4set?

[grave mulch]

made this for a meme . some random in a delve

[limber cove]

yes but u can play with out its 1 % ST Loss or something like that

[lean wraith]

ahh thats all then, i was just wondering why we dont use in raid in that case, but if its cause of the colossus 4set that makes sense

[queen star]

https://tenor.com/view/choices-sesamo-gif-17339400790570888010

[icy mulch]

mythic tier or pace, tier will last you longer.

[fossil thistle]

Don’t listen him, they even mentioned transmog is the end game.
Pick what you don’t have collected for appearances

[queen star]

true

[fossil thistle]

And that’s why I have 3 warrior alts. Vault xmog collectors 🫡

[slow saddle]

My sim said bout 0.4

I reckon that means in real life its better without sks

[queen star]

i did get the mace for the mog from normal raid at least, didnt loot anything else from norm/hc 😄

[fossil thistle]

Yea I got range loot hammer too, it’s fun lol

I’ll probably replace it with my first mythic weapon though

[spiral coral]

Do m+ bosses not drop titan disc fragments?

I just noticed I don’t have any out of 100 and I’ve only done m+’s yesterday lol

can’t be right

[ancient vector]

nope not from m+. But they changes some stuff recently

[spiral coral]

That’s some buuuuulshit

Blizzard “there’s stuff outside of m+ and raid, go do it”

https://tenor.com/view/bobs-burgers-complaining-okay-fine-im-gonna-complain-the-whole-time-gif-15733884

[earnest seal]

Haha I have two. One is prot the other is fury. Love opening two vaults weekly. The fury got a two hander and the prot got myth chest. Hedging the bets

[granite coral]

Sac

[zenith warren]

ye, it sims well for both arms and fury

enjoying playing both atm

[olive nest]

Yoo sack of terror is hidden power

[fossil thistle]

I have hero tier collected minus bracers, half of LFR and normal as well 👀

When I upgrade my hero tier I’ll have like 1/3rd of the myth set done

[floral ledge]

i hit it

priory 10

[misty bridge]

[granite coral]

The belt is S+

For mog purposes

[civic path]

seem's like Arms is back ?

[alpine idol]

brother how

[granite coral]

Never left

[humble oxide]

you can drop the skullspiltter, not much of a st dps loss

[floral ledge]

gaming

[halcyon valve]

gaming

[chilly hearth]

Ayo guys
The best dung to spam for Hero trinkets are +6 of floodgate and halls, right?
Missing any good trinkets as plus source only?

Wanted a on use and a passive

With the +6 i meant for the Hero drops
Or was It 8

[grave mulch]

shutdown 🙁

[olive nest]

Bro sick!

Arms still try’s to get big collateral cleave in demo rav window yeah?

[floral ledge]

yeah

[wooden lava]

wtf

what level is that

[spiral coral]

boss at 4.6% health on echoes - server shut down

So close lmao

[hasty vault]

[spiral coral]

That dungeon isn’t very nice to melee players

[mental horizon]

omg why is arms buttons so bloated, wanting to switch to it cause i dont have 2 good 2 handers for fury

but then i see all the spells i need to have...lol

[shadow ibex]

They had to pull everything

Like 30% over

Otherwise idt there's that much mob health in a 10

[fossil thistle]

I agree

[shadow ibex]

Just at a glance I did a 12 last night where that much damage wasn't in the details

[fossil thistle]

I +2 a 10 and all 3 of us did like 6m overall

[shadow ibex]

Yea for someone to do 10mil in a 10 with others doing 6 and 7 you would have to pull like the entire dungeon

[fossil thistle]

Training dummies too

[shadow ibex]

Just isnt that much health pool lol

[steep stump]

what is the hitting pattern of cleave ? Around us ? Cone in front of us ?

[fossil thistle]

It has further reach

But I think it’s frontal cone

[steep stump]

wide cone maybe ?

[fossil thistle]

Yea, but not 180°

If you’re standing outside of a swirl not in melee range I know cleave can reach

[spiral coral]

Your 691 off hand you were mentioning isn’t that detrimental as you’re making it out to be. You still have a 710 main hand. I don’t think your ilvl/spec is the issue. Also Arms buttons feel good (except for slam, fuck slam).

[fossil thistle]

Arms has bloat?

[mental horizon]

yeah when i compare it to fury

i have to have cleave, thunderclap, and rend!!!!

[fossil thistle]

Literally has the same amount of buttons

[spiral coral]

And sks

And demo

[mental horizon]

no fury has less haha

[fossil thistle]

Remove rend from your bars just use tclap

[spiral coral]

Fury has less 100% and the opener for arms is like a launch code for nukes compared to fury lol

[mental horizon]

oh even in single target? i can just tclap?

[fossil thistle]

Yea

The difference is 0.0083761% dps

[mental horizon]

okay that makess things way easier

im put off by specs that i can squeeze into what i already have set up lol

[spiral coral]

You should still rend in st

[fossil thistle]

Fake number. But it’s literally like 10k damage less

[mental horizon]

cant*

[fossil thistle]

Should, but it’s not mandatory and the damage difference is negligible

[mental horizon]

i know arms does less damage than fury in raids. does it do less in m+ too? or is it about equal

[fossil thistle]

Arms does fine in raid imo

[spiral coral]

Telling me to leave free damage on the table just to save a button, to me, is insanity

Gimmie. Every. Number.

[fossil thistle]

Yea, it’s more dps. But if he’s complains about button bloat you can just remove rend off your bars just

[fossil thistle]

(Meanwhile shamans are doing 1m more dps and parsing green)

[teal fossil]

people leave damage on the table because they dont wanna download a weakaura

[mental horizon]

im still in the figuring out stage

this is the first tier i ever play melee anywhere lol

[spiral coral]

insanity

[fossil thistle]

Tclap applies rend to up to 5 targets

Rend does more initial single target hit, but the rend damage is the same.

[mental horizon]

right now im figuring out fury, but demolish seems fun

[spiral coral]

Demo very fun yes

[fossil thistle]

I only download strong auras because I don’t want to be weak 💪

[spiral coral]

Wait till you get a big dopamine hit from a huge chunky cleave in a dungeon

[mental horizon]

theres weakauras that tell you when to execute and stuff? xD

[spiral coral]

For slayer spec yes

[fossil thistle]

Ish. To optimize juggernaut stacks

[mental horizon]

ah ok, i know fury uses slayer in raids

arms does too?

or still colossus

[spiral coral]

Same weak aura

[fossil thistle]

Colossus on 2 fights

Unless your raid has too much cleave then just slayer everything lol

[earnest seal]

The arms warrior on the heroic pug last night did slayer st for 1st and 6th boss. Rest was colossus. He pumped

[fossil thistle]

Loomithar and dimensius wouldn’t make much sense

You can get away with it on most other fights, but salad bar too would be meh, imo

[spiral coral]

Loom yeah idk why but dim i can see Col being really good

Maybe. Actually idk. Ima do both and find out lol.

[shadow ibex]

Colossus doesn't make sense outside of the add fights

Dimmi has no aoe so idk why you would send that.

Maybe he hit like 4 mobs in the wall with demo but thats like hitting xalatath cc orbs with demolish

[silent saddle]

All I need is the crit ring from dawn, the crit ring and neck from streets, the trinket from halls and the trinket from floodgate and I cannot finally go arms 🤡 ezpz

[smoky kayak]

yeah only thing Colossus is good for in raid is Soul Hunters or add sniping Soulbinder

[forest hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[smoky kayak]

it's about a 140-150° angle but it has pretty good range, so as long as the enemies are more or less in front of you, it usually hits

[outer forge]

the struggle is real

[steep stump]

thank you

[outer forge]

i've got like 23% versatility right now... drops have been... unlucky

[silent saddle]

My crit is like 20% if I gem/enchant, it's awful

I'm just fury until then

[outer forge]

i did manage to get hte ring from streets yesterday

[shadow ibex]

No one ever has crit for soleh trinket

[zenith warren]

my rep is 2499 now

cmon

[steep stirrup]

why is the wowhead BIS gear list so different to the echo guide?

[olive nest]

It’s revvez’s world and we just live in it

[fossil thistle]

Different needs

[glacial rapids]

Contract, then all world quests in Khaz Algar will give rep.

[zenith warren]

its raid rep

must be bugged

[glacial rapids]

Ohh

[lunar acorn]

i see some warriors on raider io use Warlord's Torment talent instead of Blademaster's Torment for arms m+

what do you think about that

[smoky kayak]

Echo's hasn't been updated in awhile

[steep stirrup]

fair enough

[smoky kayak]

and I'm fairly certain it uses the same gear as the Fury list, cause it's prioritizing vers/mastery crafts; there are also a few other minor mistakes, like using writhing + duskthread for Arms

But he's also been busy w/ prog and is likely now taking a well deserved break, so it's not unexpected

[still fox]

anntena sim bait? or hc good? or idol better for m+

[steep stirrup]

Do we replace the delve belt with a mythic track belt fully upgraded I assume

[smoky kayak]

Warlords is obv a little better ST and even a little burstier, but the short reck isn't that strong (which is why the talent often gets skipped entirely); Blademasters is much better for multitarget

and if you're playing Arms in a key, multitarget is probably what you're doing it for

it breaks even around 710 socketed for me, but ymmv

[lunar acorn]

alright

sounds good

[lunar acorn]

i have another question about thane builds both in m+ and for 1-2 bosses in raid i see some people play with hack & slash instead of unbridled ferocity. Can you give me your thoughts on that real quick as well 🙂

[shadow ibex]

[smoky kayak]

for some it might be a comfort option, but it's mostly likely just not bothering to change builds since Season 2

Thane doesn't press RB enough to warrant H&S though, which is why Unbridled is better

[lunar acorn]

thanks

[zinc yacht]

HC Antenna or Myth set shoulders?

[floral ledge]

antenna is nerf by 3% so simm it but i think myth shoulder is better, depend of what trinket u already have

[zinc yacht]

Antenna sims around 1.5% higher, both fully upgraded. Currently have mid trinkets: signet and so'leah. I would replace signet

[solid patio]

is arms really low in raids? or are people jsut not using ti?

[jade ember]

Its ST is pretty close to Fury now but Fury is still considered a little better, so people play it more.

And Fury gives up a lot less ST to be able to cleave for fights where that matters.

[spiral coral]

the detrement of Arms getting the 8% buff so late made anybody that wasn't an arms main leave lol.

Arms is doing well in raid though

[jade ember]

I've always preferred Fury to Arms but I still pay Arms in a few keys with big enough pulls tbf.

[spiral coral]

I've done eco. three fucking times and forgot to talk to the dude to finish the campaign quest

[jade ember]

Could just follower dungo it rq to be done w it

[glacial rapids]

Good, if arms isn't your main then keep chasing that dragon with the rest if the fotm.

[spiral coral]

I'll be going to fury soon, feels better in keys above 10+ to me because of the st

[jade ember]

I think that it's fair to play what you like, but I also think it's fair to want to maximize your contribution to the group. Both are reasonable.

[shadow ibex]

Most of us who really like arms are also progging the boss in the raid that low key demands you go fury

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/im-an-idot-trevor-may-iamtrevormay-im-dumb-im-foolish-gif-17274222

[shadow ibex]

That also post here at least

[spiral coral]

ive never done a follower dungeon

this should be fun lmfao

excited to see this sick ass npc tank

[jade ember]

If you're geared you'll basically solo everything

[spiral coral]

lol one shotting everything

[solid patio]

is there a dummy that does not go to low health?

in dornogal it's alwasy low

[spiral coral]

try the three above the tank one

looool

(dont)

[jade ember]

Can drop a toy or go to a dead capital prolly

[spiral coral]

YOU GET DISC FRAGMENTS FROM FOLLOWER DUNGEON BOSSES BUT NOT M+ BOSSES

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-crash-out-angry-gif-15667791719891680630

[olive nest]

Can’t have you only playing the parts of the game you enjoy

[shadow ibex]

You horde?

Dazaralor always good spot

Best capital ever fr fr

[spiral coral]

ima go there after this

[shadow ibex]

It was like 1 room pretty fantastic for a capital city

Hearth and portals 10 yards apart

We might not get dif faction caps ever again

[spiral coral]

alliance about to be in silvermoon:(

[shadow ibex]

I kinda thought that shit was cool ngl

[jade ember]

It was good until you needed the mission table or to do islands or to do Warfront stuff or

[shadow ibex]

True but still nice to hearth and get right to silithus

[spiral coral]

yayy campaigns done

now time to do some shit with bees in the dome

blizzard and its weird obsession with bees

[spiral coral]

just dawned on me i've never been to Boralus

nice to be back in dazaralor tbh and forgot that in my server ppl hang out here so chat is popping lol

[vast helm]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-happy-gorilla-enjoying-dancing-gif-17773698

[grim haven]

hi

[shadow ibex]

me when i touch the water of bladestorming and joy

[soft gust]

warlord's sims slightly higher in 5-target and 8-target sims for me and way higher in ST, but I have really high crit. I think maybe its because I can normally fit demolish into the crit window in MT because of the high crit? not sure

Wasn't sure if you had any insight into that, always trying to find improvements to my build

[hexed kettle]

rogue in a 13 got mad i was cleaving boss and adds but not executing/ms boss ST prio

eco dome first boss mind you

[shadow ibex]

as colossus you'd still want to keep MS on cd there for sure

[smoky kayak]

Not any in particular, since I’ve been playing more Fury in keys this season; perhaps @fresh spire or @thick kelp could come up with something

My opinion is that small changes like that tend not to make a huge impact at the end of the day, so there’s some room for preference if you want a little more crit from Warlords or if you want to game out more Collateral

Now that I think about it, the implementation of Collateral Damage did just get reworked, so that may have swung a little more towards Warlords

[fresh spire]

i simmed myself with both earlier and Torment was still ahead on 5 targets by like 2%

[soft gust]

Are you running arterial or one against many

[fresh spire]

Arti

[soft gust]

Warlord's is simming .4% higher in 5 target for me

Its gotta be a stats thing

ig

[fresh spire]

mastery dif

my current stats

Active 2 = Torment

[soft gust]

The variant is with blademaster's

I have hero track idol and myth track pacemaker so my crit on pull is much higher

than listed

ok ok i wasn't simming with lust, with lust the blademaster's build pulls ahead .8%

Alright so with haste buffs (PI, bloodlust), blademaster's seems to pull ahead. you base haste is a good bit higher than mine so that's probably where the difference is 👍

[spare lichen]

How do we sim for m+? Any big effects from the trinket changes?

[fresh spire]

👍

[shadow ibex]

patchwerk with 8 targets

[spare lichen]

affirmative

[soft gust]

Ok one last build question, swapping EB -> SKS (heinous ik) sims as a dps gain in ST and 5-target, with a negligible loss (.2%) in 10-target. Wondering if thats the case for anybody else

Swapping battlelord->sks does even better than that actually

[final basalt]

as Arms do I sim Hectic add cleave or dungeon slice?

[minor gust]

If you're gonna talk about Sims helps to link them. Cuz this seems sus. Blord is very good especially for ST as more MS means more likely for CS and Demo to stay aligned in ST

[soft gust]

Can I just direclty drop the link or should I use the share report URL thing

but can do mb

[olive nest]

Just send it

Raidbots links are accepted

[minor gust]

Just send link

But also don't need to think to hard about swapping talents for arms. A lot of it tends to be pretty minor between each other. And a lot of your choices come down to personal pref

[soft gust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2E9PLmRmjMu1kYvKA2Ma8r

[minor gust]

Wether you like playing with that talent or in a real situation not simmed something plays better

[soft gust]

M+ variant is EB -> SKS, M+ variant 2 is BL -> SKS

[slow saddle]

Arms st pure depression

[soft gust]

not simmed with lust, I play with a resto shaman so i just have battle shout, consumes, and skyfury in my sim

[slow saddle]

What about strength of arms instead of sks

[soft gust]

SOA seems to sim worse in generall for me than sks

but I can run it rq

[slow saddle]

Ofc

But not.by much

[soft gust]

actually I take dn anyways so it wouldn't be a trade off there

[slow saddle]

And running sks requires 1 extra key pushed at the right time

Dont take dn though

We dont op that much in aoe

And u want ms procs to keep up 4p

[soft gust]

I think its ending up gaining value here because less MS resets means more OP

in aoe

[slow saddle]

Less ms means tiernfalls of

[soft gust]

True

[slow saddle]

Then dmg skydives

Talkin from a guy that just did an arms key with low crit

😅

And st id sim like 3m

[minor gust]

These are all minor at the end of the day. Personally I would never drop Blord as Colossus. And idk how sim apl handles EP for Colossus but reality is with EP Colossus is you don't have the rage to sustain EP rotation so exe ends up just being a slam replacement which EP doesn't like

[slow saddle]

Y ep is a waste

[soft gust]

I dont take EP

rage starving sucks

[minor gust]

Oh mb read EB as EP

[soft gust]

Ok so 1 and 2 are the same, i skipped three cause I can't count apparently. 4 is with BL, DN -> SKS, SOA. 5 is with EB, DN -> SKS, SOA
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wiKyXRKkfQTuNAm3WJCxFt
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dnx6ka1JGXcXckKfTp2Mrp

variants 1 and 2 gain in both ST and AOE, 4 and 5 see larger ST gain for small aoe loss

and again this may just be cause my stats so

[soft gust]

WIth my trinkets up im sitting at like 50 something % crit in big pulls so I think maintaining tier is easier without EB and BL with my build

and playing sks over BL or EB probably reduces the odds of rage starving cause both those talents increase your avg rage consumption while sks improves generation a bit

idk, I've been blasting some 11s waiting for my buddies to want to push so I'll test it out

[minor gust]

Feel free to play around but Blord I wouldn't drop

[slow saddle]

Keep in mind

We ms for demo

[soft gust]

yeah ik

[slow saddle]

So loosin any ms reset prob not qol

Buy what ever u wanna play u can❤️, as said b4 matters more that u enjoymit

[minor gust]

EB and Blord is there to maintain sync in ST

AOE is not a problem cuz cleave

And Blord is also just a good ST talent

[pearl wind]

battlelord is great for ST I'd be sitting around twiddling my thumbs without them mortal strikes

with that an exhilarating blows sometimes i can just mortal strike like crazy

its hard to resist the urge to just send 5 MS in a row but it probably is best to MS -> OP -> MS -> OP -> MS

[minor gust]

Cleave EB resets are giga too in cds

[shadow ibex]

and when resets arent enough

blademaster for no CD on cleave

[minor gust]

Follow prio send MS on cd

[shadow ibex]

[pearl wind]

thx bestie

[shadow ibex]

and yea as colossus you mash MS until you cant anymore

[pearl wind]

that's what i've been doin

i figure gambling for another free MS is better than juicing OP stack

well it's not free, you can end up rage starved if you get too many resets

[shadow ibex]

kill stuff

war machine

[pearl wind]

the sound of 5 MS in a row is quite nice

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-morpheus-air-breathing-you-think-thats-air-your-breathing-gif-16874743

[soft gust]

I kinda hate spamming the same button after a point, although watching the demolish cd plummet is dope

[pearl wind]

farming that cdr yea

[soft gust]

After I got trinkets tho my demolish consistently is up before warbreaker so i end up holding it

[shadow ibex]

big momma cleave

[slow saddle]

Demo should wb

[pearl wind]

colossus arms goes insane on big momma

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FyK7YWjmr24HXnJg?fight=11&type=damage-done&phase=1

53m demolish crit

[minor gust]

My record is 64 mil

[pearl wind]

not sure what mine is i should make a weakaura to track it

what are people using for spell reflect weakaura?

[minor gust]

I need to make a WA that plays call of duty tactical nuke voice line when my demo critd

[shadow ibex]

mighta cracked 60 if i had avatar

[smoky kayak]

just fyi they're both called "torment"

[fresh spire]

ye i forget its blademaster

:kekw

[vast surge]

I killed myself on the priory mini boss with the reflect shield cause I sent a fully buffed demo into her. I forgot they omega buffed the reflect shield =/

[pearl wind]

i did that before too

i wonder if you can giga gamer spell reflect time the 3rd demo hit and reflect the reflect

[vast surge]

you just get the regular spell reflect DR

[pearl wind]

ah

[icy magnet]

is our best stat haste or crit? I feel extra stupid today

[pearl wind]

sim your character

seems like arms wants a bit of everything

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[smoky kayak]

yes

[minor gust]

Don't ask a fdk what happens when he sends breath/CDs into reflect shield

[icy magnet]

ok I asked mr sim and he said
"Haste 50.70
Critical Strike 41.15
Mastery 40.01"

so to my oga boga warr mind is seem like haste is worth a bit more for my char as of now, thanks

[minor gust]

Uhhhhhhh

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[tranquil oar]

Hey tigers is Slayer viable for m+ or it dose not have enought aoe damage ?

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[minor gust]

If you're not pushing super high keys you will be fine playing Slayer

[tranquil oar]

i need to do all on +12 now most times i am Colo ,but i wanna spin to win

[minor gust]

Then spin to win

It's a video game

Play what you wanna play

Anything and everything can do 12s ez pz

[tranquil oar]

yeah sure ,but when people see me as arms no one invites me

[minor gust]

That's not the reason

[slow saddle]

Yeah, sign as furu

Jump over big gains

[minor gust]

People aren't inviting you because there are people better than you signing up. It's always as simple as that

[tranquil oar]

as i solo player wow is hard now a days

[minor gust]

You're not wrong there

[tranquil oar]

yeah i dont think i am even good i am a wow player since 2004 and wow m+ is the same since legion

[slow saddle]

Ngl its always same answers

Learn tank

Get a m8 or 2

Do ya own keys

And be a meta char ideally🤣

[minor gust]

The game def ain't easy these days especially if your a solo player. And I don't think that will ever change

[tranquil oar]

waited 25 mins today

[slow saddle]

I do 99% of my m+ solo

[slow saddle]

So answer is tank it

And queue time is prob 5m

But i get why not btw

[tranquil oar]

No man i cant tank i need to feel like Guts from Berserk

even that i look like this lmao

guess i need to get better and push to 3k rio

[slow saddle]

❤️

[shadow ibex]

we really need a dragonslayer skin

[pearl wind]

i stuck with slayer arms until i got 4pc and went colossus for 10+ but before then, slayer performed pretty well cleavemaxxing

[shadow ibex]

diablo got berserk skins didnt they?

[pearl wind]

reaping them storms

slayer also had solid boss dmg and good execute if you babysat your jug stacks

[tranquil oar]

yeah i am pushing all dung to 12 now and i dont want to bust peoples keys if the difference is huge between colo and slayer

[pearl wind]

try colossus in a lower key to get used to it and compare performance

[tranquil oar]

will do a 10

[pearl wind]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOAUVFREUhYRIpRUBANVVEFURVlQkVQFCFFEVVVUBR

this is what i play

[minor gust]

Wow berserk collab eventually

[pearl wind]

swap out crackling thunder for something i just took that for gambit murloc slows

[minor gust]

your not gonna fail a 12 because of the dmg diff between the two trust.

yall gonna fail from dying to mechanics

if you feel like you are lacking dmg its gonna be because of personal play and not spec choice

[shadow ibex]

i would cry

[minor gust]

Just more simple overly massive swords is all we need

you got the classic armageddon and then Ashkandur from DF but Ashkandur is to complex kinda kills a lot of tmog vibes

[near parcel]

in the AOE Build for Arms warrior when do u prio MS and when Cleave ? in regards to Swiping strike and number of targets

[shadow ibex]

in 3 target + keep them both on CD

[outer forge]

if i didn't have my regular key group i wouldn't even play the game I don't think

[minor gust]

you can remove sweeping strikes out of the equation.
3 Targets Cleave > MS > OP
2 Targets MS > OP > cleave
1 Target MS > OP > Slam/exe

[pearl wind]

i think i need a regular key group at this point for 14+ i am too soft without externals sometimes

[lapis crystal]

Someone can tell me how to have the def stance big like this when its on pls ?

[minor gust]

Get a defensive stance WA and make it big

[azure karma]

thats not big - my defensive stance WA is bigger than the mini map^^

[outer holly]

Make it so big you cant see your screen, shield yourself from the damage physically and visually

[latent moss]

weird u are prolly not using defensives properly

there are a lot of classes that need externals more than arms

[minor gust]

^

[light sentinel]

How is arms doing in m+? currently leveling a warrior

[sturdy hearth]

Its honestly not that bad on big pulls keys

but the boss dmg is hella sus

[latent moss]

aoe is good

st is not

thane fury is a balance between st and aoe

[minor gust]

just mask your ST by padding on boss fights by pulling shit into boss

[light sentinel]

the ST is that bad?

[minor gust]

nobody actually looks at details breakdowns. Only overall

[light sentinel]

Im coming from SP just wanting an ease of play this season

[minor gust]

its fine

you will do fine

[sturdy hearth]

Honestly not far from the worst ST in the entire game (with Colossus)

[pearl wind]

i use them and then they are on cd and i dont have anything for a targeted cast that goes unkicked, so it's partially being able to call for externals, partially having a locked in group that kicks more gooder

[latent moss]

casts shouldnt be going through

[minor gust]

and you should know when you are about to be casted on

[latent moss]

once u start doing higher keys

[pearl wind]

like if i'm forced to yeet reflect on something kickable because mine is on cd and nobody else kicks it and then the miniboss in dawn rips an abyssal blast on me

[latent moss]

unless u wall them

no one can live them

[minor gust]

so you can reflect or dstance

[pearl wind]

and i only get dbts every 90s

[minor gust]

Dstance

[pearl wind]

i dstance often too

[minor gust]

you should not feel squishy as arms especially in a 14

[latent moss]

as i said kickable spells should get kicked

[minor gust]

if you are theres some issues going on with defensive usage

[latent moss]

on high keys no one lives them

[pearl wind]

yeah this ^

[light sentinel]

What AOE abilities do you use?

[pearl wind]

if i get Bolted in the 14 without reflect or dbts im vaped

dstance shaves a lil off the top but still if im not topped it's probably death

[latent moss]

as colossus?

[minor gust]

not in a 14 no

[latent moss]

colo shouldnt be dying in a 14

i can see slayer dying to castsa

[pearl wind]

yes i'm colossus but again i think it just comes down to things not getting kicked

[latent moss]

but colo is a lot tankier

[minor gust]

bolts arent gonna one shot you till 17s

[pearl wind]

i had a gambit 14 where the tank had zero (0) kicks by the 3rd pull

[pearl wind]

they will if you aren't topped off

[spiral coral]

Swear to god if tier lists come out saying arms is better than fury ima crash out

[pearl wind]

fuck the tier lists fr

[latent moss]

they might cause arms is popping off on overalls

[spiral coral]

Fake ass shit

Our st is doo doo

Like, fucking so bad lol

[pearl wind]

the ST isn't that bad

also depends on rng a little, with MS resets

[spiral coral]

Our aoe does not balance it out. M+ Col st, is terrible

[olive nest]

Just be good at the arms ST and then in your 15 pugs nobody will know it’s bad because they’ll be doing the same amount

[pearl wind]

just pull trash into boss to utilize the good cleave

efficient %

[outer holly]

So the WCL logs seem to quite firmly disagree with the wowhead builds for m+

[minor gust]

colossus ST def aint terrible

its just not good

[pearl wind]

its not great

[spiral coral]

I’m just breaking up with Col and this is me dealing with it

[pearl wind]

but its not that terrible

[minor gust]

if your doing super bad sounds like a skill issue

[stable fiber]

this spec

cranks

[minor gust]

big demo nuke

[sturdy hearth]

yep

[light sentinel]

whats the AOE other than ravager and sweeping buffs?

[sturdy hearth]

Demolish cleave mostly

[stable fiber]

cleave

demolish

thats it

bleeds

[sturdy hearth]

if only we could have uncapped Rend application

[stable fiber]

rend still tends to be my highest damage bleed in keys

[pearl wind]

uncapped rend would be dank

[spiral coral]

probably right. Gonna go watch Crit see what he does for boss fights.

[stable fiber]

with decent rng i get like 4.3m st

bad rng im like 4m

no cds =

[pearl wind]

no cd lineup for the burst and being forced to slam too much makes a sad zug zug

[celest forge]

Man I don't feel like I'm playing that badly but just can't get to 7m overall in keys.

[sacred zodiac]

noob

(its probably a tank/gear diff)

[celest forge]

Probably a skill diff

Just don't know why

[jade ember]

Arbitrarily holding yourself to a specific number when every key is so different probably doesn't do much with differences in pull sizes, how hard your other DPS pump, etc. Just focus on improving and you will.

[celest forge]

Fair enough

[latent moss]

<@&257983573498265600>

[fresh spire]

Good old pauck mr beast hack

[latent moss]

wtf it got removed xdd

[light sentinel]

Demolish should only be used at 10 stacks right?

[fresh spire]

after the pull yes

on pull send it when MS is on cd

in keys on aoe you stack it up faster from sweep+ms/cleaves

so you want to send that at 10 stacks on aoe

[light sentinel]

gotcha

and ST just send it at 10?

[fresh spire]

After pull it always will have 10 stacks from natural rotation

[light sentinel]

hmm okay. and ST im just rotting MS and OP

and keeping bleeds up?

[fresh spire]

[obtuse inlet]

is the omega strong bleed build back or nah

[glacial rapids]

There is no omega strong arms atm, only...

[spiral coral]

Arms Owns

[light sentinel]

Is it worth it to craft 575 gear on new alts? or how do you gear up fresh alts

[fresh spire]

newly leveled charcters, collect the free crests from each rep

can craft 675

[light sentinel]

thats what i meant 675 so just do that?

i just went around getting all the stuff

[celest forge]

That + belt and cloak is the fastest path to m+ and raid ready on afresh alt

Also caches can help too

[light sentinel]

Should i just craft a 720 2h?

since i got the sparks and gilded

well when i get it

[native obsidian]

Yes

[smoky kayak]

if you don't have access to any other M weapons and/or if you want to play Fury, yes

[lunar sable]

do you want to cleave on single target boss with Merciless Bonegrinder up?

[zenith warren]

im stuck on renown 3 and have a raid tomorrow reeeee

where is my 3% buff

I read that it could be fixable with darkmoon fair but it's not there yet

[silent saddle]

Heck yeah boys. Had some buddies help me with a streets. Legs and crit ring both dropped 👌🏼

Now I just need the neck from there, the crit ring from dawn, the seaforium trinket and the stone idol 😂

[vast helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1404607648367775854/884dae019b604034a488bde11a71bd29.gif

[glacial rapids]

🤣

[nimble roost]

do you ever execute as colossus arms?

[stable fiber]

i dont

i use it instead of slam though

as a filler

[nimble roost]

yeah thats how i have been using it

[void bay]

Errfu does like that gif 😄

[vast helm]

it is quite appropriate

[shadow ibex]

remember those boss kills week 1 without the 8%

https://tenor.com/view/oh-god-henry-emory-them-oh-my-god-oh-no-gif-21089707

[vast helm]

Arms with no arms

[distant urchin]

Folks if u have Mythic wp where you craft your two Dusk embellishment?

[tulip surge]

Bracers and belt would be my guess

[lethal stream]

may icraft wepon for arms? and nurbian emblish

[minor gust]

can you?

May I craft a weapon

[lethal stream]

may i

[minor gust]

you may

[light sentinel]

Would support be able to do anything about me not receiving my set piece drop from LFR?

I won the roll but it never got sent to my inventory or mail

[minor gust]

prob not

feel free to try if u want but Blizz support hasnt been a real thing in years

your 99% likely to get a Bot response just saying no

[light sentinel]

Sigh

[void bay]

at least it was just LFR

@vast helm Im way late now, but I just remembered I had the perfect arms meme for the 8% buff

[slow saddle]

Buff slarms another 5%

[void bay]

ye then i can post the arms video

[ionic reef]

been lookin at raider.io and doesnt look like the top arms warriors are using SKS

[minor gust]

turns out ppl dont like pushing that button even tho its better

not surprising

[teal fossil]

doesnt dropping SKS also means you play one against many

[minor gust]

no

bleeds still majority of your dmg even without sks

[stable fiber]

i dont play sks because it doesnt feel important to push when there are 20 targets on my screen

sure when there is 1

[minor gust]

for some ethical prio

[stable fiber]

its lowkey more prio to cleave instead of sks

u hearing me

[minor gust]

I aint gonna tell you how to live your life

[stable fiber]

it uses rage

and u get a stack of might

= cdr for warbreaker and demolish

and u use it again

might be a genius

[minor gust]

thats why you dont press it till cleave and MS on cd

[stable fiber]

slam angle

[minor gust]

you lost me there

I aint buying what your selling

[stable fiber]

does sks count for collateral damage stacks

[minor gust]

yeah

[stable fiber]

aight

thatbutton is peak

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-strange-mob-gif-12413747667150461911

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-emoji-what-say-what-wait-what-gif-4624697785713851431

[shadow ibex]

may sks rot in hell

amen

[hasty pumice]

Best reaction

[oblique lodge]

Wrists gloves

Or whatever off piece

[cunning pond]

my sims are saying to basically just get rid of all my crit and go as much haste as humanly possible, is that normal?

could the be the myth idol + delve belt on crit?

[minor gust]

slayer doesnt need a lot of crit and will generally want a lot of haste and some mastery

[balmy kindle]

Deep wounds doing 4th most damage in keys below mortal strike without sks

[halcyon valve]

gambled on getting mythic weapon from vault instead of crafting one, and i won

+3 ilvl

[latent moss]

slayer moment

haste is all slayer wants

[balmy kindle]

Gz, now you can craft that fat dusk / dawnthread combo

[latent moss]

fat

df bsl gave more stats

[thick kelp]

scaled with ilvl

[latent moss]

ye

just remove embellishments atp

[hoary trail]

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

Are we back fam

Is war arms the best option for mm+ again

[balmy kindle]

Best is not but we are playable

[halcyon valve]

We are huge rn

[untold trench]

Did the arms troll finally notice it ain't all doom and gloom? nice

Still, go prot and be useful for the playermass plx

[grave mulch]

it was 110% troll before the buff

now its decent

[untold trench]

[jade cargo]

[balmy kindle]

Week 1 Colo on m+

[lofty pulsar]

Most everyone going no SKS 2 in bloodborne over the opposite right

cause wowhead says 1 bloodborne 1 sks

[balmy kindle]

No SKS is very little loss in dmg anyways

2 BB and arterial bleeding deep wounds value goes 🚀

[slow saddle]

BLEED THEM DRY

also sks needs to fuck

like it should do 2 x the dmg of now

[balmy kindle]

The old sks was funny though with tom

[slow saddle]

wihtout tom aslo

i miss BRRRR

but it should be a good button to push in Burst phases

[halcyon valve]

BB kinda meh ever since the nerf

2 points for 10% bleed damage? Nah man

I rather take eb

[dry frost]

I loved ToM old SKS

Shit would truck

I played the SKS build in so many Vortex Pinnacles

[halcyon valve]

Hell yeah

That was the shit

[latent moss]

bleeds are very powerful

with new set

[halcyon valve]

I know but its fucking 5% man

Thats nothing

EB simming 1.5% single target damage increase over BB, and it doesnt lose you any aoe

[scenic plank]

Hi, maybe its somewhere written already and I overlooked it but what would be the best options to sim for m+, mostly in context of what trinkets to use that I have?

[calm isle]

Is the best way to sim my stat weights just to change one piece of gear at a time with diff stat prios? Learning how to sim better rn

[sacred zodiac]

stat weights are pretty much the most meaningless sim to try to make

what does a stat weight tell you that top gears and droptimizers don't tell you better with less effort

[calm isle]

That's fair. So if I want to optimize stats, just kinda roll one piece of gear in with diff enchants/gems etc and see where it gets me?

Sorry if these questions seem dumb, just trying to learn the rops of simming for optimization

[sacred zodiac]

idk i dont think thats how you really play the game? most of the time you're wearing all your highest ilvl gear and then you can just droptimizer/top gear if you have equal ilvl sidegrades

[calm isle]

Thanks 🙂

[real birch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c1J6U4EwSaHvR7nM8cmFSW

would you still pick the endboss trinket even if the sim is 0,4% less then arcano?

[latent moss]

neutral augury sim cause u cant sim everything with top gear

[sacred zodiac]

put this into the english language please

[latent moss]

neutral augury arms tech

[latent moss]

if augury simmed neutral with other trinkets it was gg

from my experience it always did more than on sims

[cunning hound]

when is the next arms buff boys

[latent moss]

12.0

[unkempt wren]

13.1

[latent moss]

tbf i dont remember exactly how you did it

equip augury run stat weights

then run top gear and pick gems from stat weights

but if u could sim top gear with more than 15 mil u would just do that

[rapid magnet]

chat why can juggernaut still drop from rng on a boss like fract when are we getting fixed chat

[slow saddle]

Hahahs

Because fuck u, thats why😅

[unkempt wren]

Meanwhile, fury only stacks to 5 and seemed to proc much, much more often lol

[slow saddle]

its not

seems

it procs more often

juggernaut only being 5 stacks

wouldda helped SO MUCH

[sturdy hearth]

The terrible feeling when you lose your 8-1X stacks juggernaut stacks

Especially right around 40% boss hp

[slow saddle]

dno man feels kindda awfull at 50% as well

[candid pecan]

2 stacks of MFE, 5 seconds left on jugg... you're like COME ON... no, it just falls off

just like that

[fresh spire]

Jugg will die in midnight surely

[primal kernel]

Wish they'd make Execute actually feel great like it used to. Now it's just a wimpy rotational ability. Remove all the bs modifiers and just make it truck baseline. 😠

[shadow ibex]

Supposed to die in .2 no?

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-me-now-jeezy-i-luv-it-song-see-me-now-watch-me-now-gif-1660058587531557655

[candid pecan]

yes, surely one of the new talents is: exe dmg inc by 25%, jugg removed

[shadow ibex]

Jugg tier set

Went from jug removed

To jug tier

https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/5fecb5fa60488f2e470efd74/2x.gif

[slow saddle]

but lets be honest

if jug was 5 stacks

it would make tier feel fucking awesome

[candid pecan]

man every1 thinks they're so good in keys.. 3200 rio and all and then this is the overall 11 min into a +15 Flood

they ninja pulled big MOMMA and insta died (9:37 and 9:41 deaths) group disbanded.

[fresh spire]

[solid patio]

so arms slaps in high keys??

[spiral coral]

The damage you can get in big aoe is insane

[solid patio]

how about in mid AOE

[spiral coral]

Insane

Two target? Cracked

[solid patio]

in 3 eneymy like sopul hunters tho?

[spiral coral]

I was pumping last night in soul hunters but usually it’s 2 next to each other and then one off by itself throughout and arms excels more than anything at 2t

[lofty pulsar]

incredibly dumb question here but

does the mortal strike crit

apply the buff after i crit

or stuff i've already applied

[solid patio]

in ST is fury far ahead?

[spiral coral]

Idk right now tbh

[spiral coral]

Are you referring to MS Crit Strikes increasing rend and deep wounds by 80% for 8 sec?

[lofty pulsar]

yes

[lofty pulsar]

arch says its above by 3%

[spiral coral]

Yes

[solid patio]

can arms survive with no crit gear? like haste mastery like fury?

[spiral coral]

I think slayer is haste hungry and Col is crit hungry

But sims

[fresh spire]

Slayer can yeh

Colossus requires big crit to max CM value

[olive nest]

Dayumm!! Arms owns

[arctic iris]

[olive nest]

[fossil thistle]

Arms is like consistent 8m+ dps even if you have no CDs i find

CDs? Openers can be 30M

[vapid goblet]

But how is it on ST

[fossil thistle]

Mmmm

[vapid goblet]

is it like assa rogue where you do 0 dam without funnel

[fossil thistle]

I tend to manage 3.2-4M with colossus

[vapid goblet]

doing like 4.5m as fury atm

[fossil thistle]

#arms

Imposter

[vapid goblet]

? xd

[fossil thistle]

We’re talking arms here not fury

[vapid goblet]

yea and i am comparing

[fossil thistle]

Arms has no comparison because arms is 👑

https://tenor.com/view/knight-dance-wacky-wiggle-gif-8130447

[dim basalt]

Arms does not funnel that well because there's only CD

[fossil thistle]

The two keys I’ve done with similar geared fury war (within 2 ilvl) overall was ~1m difference

[candid pecan]

why is every1 and their mother playing prot war in +15 and up

[olive nest]

Prot war cranks

[fossil thistle]

Ask #protection

[olive nest]

And is very tanky

[fossil thistle]

Also this

[candid pecan]

Kiratv influence

[dim basalt]

Still busted

[fossil thistle]

You can one button 5M dps every pack while only pressing Ignore pain

[olive nest]

No shot

For real!?