arms

[dreamy egret]

give arms trauma buff again

[rare kite]

already got trauma from dropping jugg at 35.5%

[pearl wind]

yeah dont remind me

[heavy patio]

Slayer apex will mortal strike reduces max hp by 10% for 6 seconds

[pearl wind]

that will make arms mandatory in raid

kill the boss 10% faster

[candid pecan]

+13 Flood

[pearl wind]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[dim basalt]

Thats crazy

I thought my 8.8M on my WW was good

[candid pecan]

Big momma boss dmg, ( i did not hold cds for dmg phase, just SENT on CD)

[pearl wind]

damn i do like 860m to big momma

what about your swampface

and are you colossus or slayer

[candid pecan]

swampface, 3 demolishes did not crit

duo boss tho , 10M opener

[pearl wind]

[candid pecan]

colossus

[pearl wind]

my ST as colossus is trash

i think i dont optimize my demolish enough

[candid pecan]

these help very much

[pearl wind]

oh yeah

lmao

[dim basalt]

Jesus christ

[pearl wind]

my trinkets are mostly dogwater

[dim basalt]

Give me that antenna

[pearl wind]

i have a hero pacemaker and the arcane crystal thing that is like spymaster's web but for strength

but it's champion

in raid as slayer, is it worth spamming execute on a big trash add that is in execute range to gain/regain jugg stacks if boss is nearing execute?

or still never delay a MS

[minor gust]

Any line ups tho?

👀

I had a 64 mil Crit on momma last night

[sharp wyvern]

on the dmg amp ?

[pearl wind]

when is the dmg amp btw, when she's zapping the area after adds die?

[sharp wyvern]

when all adds are dead ye

[pearl wind]

[minor gust]

Of course

[loud wadi]

crit build?

[minor gust]

You mean warlords?

[loud wadi]

warlords, arterial bleeds, SKS and 2 points in BB

[minor gust]

Every Colossus build is gonna run SKS and 2BB

[loud wadi]

dropping Dreadnaght/Str of Arms

[minor gust]

The potential choices are warlords vs blade master or art vs OAM

[stuck yacht]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[candid pecan]

1 BB SOA

[loud wadi]

got it

[minor gust]

With how much bleed dmg your doing just drop SOA. BB is gonna give you ST and AOE

[loud wadi]

agree, but maybe in keys where adds keep dying quickly, 2 BB might not be the best option

[candid pecan]

I like this dmg breakdown, we only needed 5% into 8% and an insane tier set

[candid pecan]

hold on, quick math

okay, I believe you

[minor gust]

Especially if your running Art

[loud wadi]

critcake, sorry lol

[brazen sun]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[wise mauve]

Do you have a talent page for this? I want to play without SKS. Is this in M+?

[candid pecan]

put SOA instead of SKS and play the game, enjoy

this is for M+ yes

[wise mauve]

You're the goat love you so much please remember to drink water

[minor gust]

There's water in Dr pepper

[rapid bronze]

buff arms

wicked bolts annihilating the casters did a lot of carrying

[minor gust]

Bricked a 15 HOA the other day. I hope that place is next for nerfs now that streets is free

[thick kelp]

wow whoa came up with that

[cunning pond]

Why does everybody hate skullsplitter, I find it funner to use than collateral damage

[minor gust]

🐐

It's a good obvious choice

[thick kelp]

Arterial bleeding 2bb sks

colossu

owns

[minor gust]

Bleeds = like almost 30% of your dmg

[thick kelp]

More

[rapid bronze]

we're using SKS with colossus now?

[minor gust]

Of course

[rapid bronze]

instead of

[thick kelp]

soa

let me get you the talent page

once this liquid ddoss attack stops

[rapid bronze]

lmao

[minor gust]

Revenge for the Echo EMP

[rapid bronze]

oh why on earth was I using dreadnaught

[thick kelp]

Maybe u were playing slayer

[latent moss]

noooo!! u cant drop overwhelming rage

[rapid bronze]

no that 6.8m overall key was with dreadnaught

[latent moss]

!!

[thick kelp]

!!

Thats the most sinner thing that I have droppped in class tree

[latent moss]

surely its not much weaker than people think

[thick kelp]

But Rally is so strong!!!

how dare you not talent it

grrr

[rapid bronze]

uh what's soa

[latent moss]

strength of arms

[rapid bronze]

ah

[latent moss]

other choice on the dreadnaught node

[rapid bronze]

damn I could've dunked harder on that boomkin and arcane mage

[wise mauve]

Is the difference between SKS and SOA that large?

[thick kelp]

yeah

[wise mauve]

[rapid bronze]

now can you solve my keybind problem

because I dont have any left

[latent moss]

how

we dont have that many binds

[thick kelp]

unbind rend and clap perma

[rapid bronze]

yessir

and wdym we have a shitton of binds

[thick kelp]

we really dont

[latent moss]

tclap doesnt give collat and does less damage on st

im a fiend

[thick kelp]

me when

idc

[latent moss]

i press rend on st

over clap

[thick kelp]

i got 100 on hc pressing clap on ST

I think im good

[latent moss]

i got 32 pressing rend

(i didnt play arms once)

[halcyon valve]

65% 4set uptime in dungeon, neato

big bleeds

this build is so cozy

i never run out of rage, im always doing damage, its just nice man

[teal fossil]

we havent ran out of rage in approximately 3 years

[halcyon valve]

no colossus has always been running out of range in keys in single target

not very long but it certainly happened

[icy mulch]

The amount of casters in there is a little wild.

[candid pecan]

nice

[thick kelp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20U6J79jPyk yo guys SP is back in legion form again, can we get same for arms

[halcyon valve]

nice.

[minor gust]

Yeah it's pretty rough

[shadow ibex]

Be nice if we had disrupt shout

[latent moss]

disrupting shout owns

we would own if rally was like 30% in m+ and if we had disrupting

shout

we would genuinely own util wise

[vast cedar]

Arterial Bleed is the move? also, you think fast footwork is worth overwhelming rage?

none of the top are running skullsplitter you think its the play also?

[shadow ibex]

Disrupt shout and

Let intervene apply spell reflect to an ally

[latent moss]

:mhm:

[thick kelp]

dont need overwhelming rage on colossuss, top players are not running sks cuz they dont know any better or dont want to use it

[vital rune]

For the multi target rotation on col - do we send the first demolish before 10 stacks of
CM, or wait for 10 every time?

[vast cedar]

you see dmg out of skullsplitter then?

i jsut stopped using it because iwas log checking

[thick kelp]

sks amps bleeds

bleeds are +30% of your overall

so sks makes them do more + helps with colossuss boss dam

[vast cedar]

im gonna try your build

im not gonna miss collateral dmg. I dont even try to game it any more

[thick kelp]

collats still there

[vast cedar]

oof, one against many

[empty sluice]

world first? xd

[thick kelp]

but idk why evrryone so stressed about gaming it when it comes naturally 99% of time

[vast cedar]

im dumb

[thick kelp]

pogo

[vast cedar]

you're giving up one against many

[thick kelp]

did u play slayer niool

[latent moss]

ye collat plays itself

most of the time

[empty sluice]

colossus bleed no sks

with soa

[thick kelp]

gg

[latent moss]

gg no sks

[empty sluice]

with warlord torment

[thick kelp]

hooly

crazy bosss dam

coulda been crazier with sks

[vast cedar]

damn

[latent moss]

surely

[empty sluice]

soa does the same dmg, 1 less button

[shadow ibex]

Die sks die

[thick kelp]

idk my sims said sks does more

[shadow ibex]

Plz merge with cs

[thick kelp]

i havkt simmed it since ptr tho

[latent moss]

same

it was simming higher back thne

[empty sluice]

does more by 0.2% so not worth it

[shadow ibex]

I can see how losing it got soa is p much even

You're losing st for st

[latent moss]

ye but in order to make use of soa u need to op a lot

[thick kelp]

Sks is more aoe too and more prio xfd

[latent moss]

which u dont do in aoe

sks is more prio ye

[shadow ibex]

Thsts what you gonna do in st anyway

[empty sluice]

[shadow ibex]

Not like you got other stuff to press besides OP and MS in st

[thick kelp]

one more button wont hurt i promise, not on this spec

[latent moss]

bro idk i think this spell needs more buttons if anything

ur st is ms op

and execute when <35

[shadow ibex]

Yea but sks ain't it

[latent moss]

maybe if slam did something

ye i agree sks aint it

[shadow ibex]

[latent moss]

but its something

kinda

[shadow ibex]

Yea i agree its cool to use when tr is up

[latent moss]

@thick kelp u are gonna make me log in and play colo

in m+

[empty sluice]

sks should be passive and bake into warbreaker/cs usage

[latent moss]

fully agreed

[shadow ibex]

Absolutely

[latent moss]

would go insanely hard with colo

[shadow ibex]

Honestly

Warbreaker baseline

There I said it

[latent moss]

all i want

[thick kelp]

yeah

[latent moss]

is
mop taste for blood
new tactician or maybe not a reset but more damage on ur next whatever
aoe execute
more bleed for colo
rend removed

[halcyon valve]

arms owns

[latent moss]

forgot rend

[shadow ibex]

I wish tier never got nerfed

More guaranteed ms crits

Something primal triggers in the lizard brain when you demo two targets

And you know that swept ms is about to fuck

Pulling the two gargoyle before 2nd hoa boss im about to delete healthbars

[latent moss]

colo 2t

is dopamine

1st boss priory

is so fun

as colo

exhil high roll

gg

[shadow ibex]

If 4pc was as fun as thane 4pc

[latent moss]

deep wounds has a chance to reset mortal strike

gg

in aoe

ms no cd

[slow saddle]

I c a fatality raid build here

Shotgunnin ms

And seeing u dont push exe. U could control it

[latent moss]

fatality is rppm

[slow saddle]

Not in this story

[hollow wave]

You know what, slayer arms in m+ is actually decent, priory damage is underrated

[icy magnet]

should we use wrecking throw first boss in raid?

[slow saddle]

Yup

[shadow ibex]

I think its hasted

Idk i think we can get a lot of stacks in aoe

It's just popping them is impossible

Not only impractical tracking on 8 dif targets

But we can't afford execute

[slow saddle]

It was a raid

Thought

[latent moss]

ye we just cant pop them cause we dont have aoe exe

[shadow ibex]

It needs to be like imminent demise

It should auto pop or whatever imminent demise does

Idk I dont play other classes

[latent moss]

sudden demise u mean

assa talent

if it overkills the target

it autoexsanguinates

[shadow ibex]

Yea fatality do that

Auto kill raid boss at .3%

Cuz the warriors 89 fatality was enough to kill him

[vast helm]

@latent moss confirmed?

[fathom hollow]

is arms better than fury now on m+

[shadow ibex]

Negative

[river ridge]

Depends on comp.

[latent moss]

yes

(no)

[vast helm]

https://tenor.com/view/the-godfather-good-marlon-brando-gif-15325752

[minor gust]

No shot now I gotta sim it when I get home. SKS should be better prio still but man I might drop it too if it's that close with SOA

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-it-out-proud-of-you-here-for-you-good-job-hugs-gif-14437901

[dreamy sandal]

Yo when I play this do I just send stuff as normal or do I keep Colossus might stacks for the bleeds to do more damage?

[tawdry sleet]

is arms easier than fury or both are kinda equal too learn?

[smoky kayak]

they're both pretty similar, diff hero talents are slightly more or less complicated, but Warrior as a hole is one of the more straightforward classes

[tawdry sleet]

hows the PPM compared too prot? im just dpsing for a few raid fights im mainly tanking

thunderclapping in m+ does break my fingers after a few runs

[smoky kayak]

*APM, PPM is something else entirely

[tawdry sleet]

fair enough, ill just play arms as it personally is more appealing, is it much worse than fury in raid dps?

[tawdry sleet]

yea sorry meant apm*

[smoky kayak]

Prot is technically higher when you include oGCD defensive stuff; Arms is a little slower than Fury, but not dramatically

seriously just go log in and play each for like 5m

[minor gust]

Follow normal priorities on wowhead build doesn't change anything

[smoky kayak]

you'll get a feeling for the differences pretty quickly

[tawdry sleet]

will do, thanks!

[smoky kayak]

and arms is doing fine post-buff; it's perhaps not as flexible as Fury, but it's not throwing

[tawdry sleet]

Sweet thank you!

[uncut atlas]

Almost seems like arms is pumpin in mythic

[spiral coral]

It is

[still girder]

Any go-to way to sim for people who do basically only m+?

[shadow ibex]

Patchwerk 5-8 target

[shadow ibex]

ms crit breakdown

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-balanced-gif-3226445978144001245

[spiral coral]

Liquid is so nice waiting for me to get off work to kill dim

[fossil thistle]

Will be upset if no hidden phase ngl

[sacred zodiac]

fight seems complete no

[hexed saddle]

no mythic phase would be very boring

[sacred zodiac]

crush pull makes p3 insanely difficult already

has someone lived to hard enrage yet?

idk i want a secret phase cause itd be cool but i wouldnt get my hopes up

[hexed saddle]

yeah im not optimistic

its just boring if no phase

[hexed saddle]

dont think so

[sacred zodiac]

idk the end of the fight is kinda in sight no

[spiral coral]

That would be, insane

[sacred zodiac]

all stars dead arena size is minimum and they need to live a crush pull overlap

i dont see how they're living the crush pull overlap with that small of an arena

[icy mulch]

I don't think he's suppose to be alive that long.

[sacred zodiac]

why not

[icy mulch]

How they're gonna squeeze more damage in P3 without lust, I have no idea.

[sacred zodiac]

everything is livable up until the hard enrage its just insanely hard

[icy mulch]

Have they gotten sub 20% yet?

[sacred zodiac]

no

but also no one's seen hard enrage shrug

[icy mulch]

Hard enrage is most likely instant death.

[sacred zodiac]

ye thats kinda what hard enrage means

[warped spade]

[silent sun]

when simming for M+ we still doin patchwrk 5 targets 5mins?

[hasty pumice]

man arms won

fuck it

I'm really not enjoying fury in M+ compared to arms

we pushing with arms again (tho fury for raid)

I'm worried I'm trolling due to bad boss damage

[minor gust]

its fine if your other dps are boss dmg gamers

everyones got their role

[hasty pumice]

I just struggle with fury a bit since you gotta stand in every single pack and if you lose enrage a few times your DPS tanks hard

[plain latch]

lose enrage?

[hasty pumice]

with arms it's more about timing

[hasty pumice]

e.g. the huge packs in gambit at the start I quite often get cut off and then lose uptime, which kills fury DPS

cause every tank moves differently

it's 100% skissue from my side tho

[spiral coral]

I’m struggling to understand the difference. We both need uptime and suffer from any downtime equally.

[plain latch]

bro tryna play only rend build

[pearl wind]

barely beat meta specs and they grey parsed

it be like that

another 8% plz

[granite coral]

next week bliz realizes they actually gave us 18% damage

[pearl wind]

i bet they were aghast at the arms warrior beating them

which is a huge part of the kick i get out of playing it

[plain violet]

So i take it the current Arms myth statistics on Warcraftlogs is giga inflated because of our boys running pure single target on soulbinder while everyone else pads on adds right? When i check individual bosses they are worse than fury on both Loom and Plexus, while number one on soulbinder (boss damage) which makes me think it is the case.

[plain latch]

i mean st fury is better aoe arms is equal i thought

who is running full st

[spiral coral]

Really hard to judge logs on a spec that is so lowly played

[plain violet]

I was thinking of this stuff right here:

looks like pure single target arms on soulbinder is dragging the "all bosses" statistics upwards

[plain latch]

but nobody is doing pure single and the adds aren't excluded

[plain violet]

holy crap you are right, i forgot to set it to damage to bosses

[plain latch]

and arms has been doing "decent" aoe even before the 8%

[plain violet]

people are just padding like their lives depend on it

[plain latch]

also there are 34 parses for arms warrior

😄

[plain violet]

yeah go figure

[minor gust]

dont take warcraft log stats to seriously your not gonna really get any useful data right now

[plain latch]

put on brown noise 8hr on full volume and pump away

[smoky kayak]

That’s not pure ST at all, lol, that’s padding adds with demolish

Demolish is one of the only AoE abilities with a low enough cooldown to hit every set of adds, and it’s insanely strong w/ tier now

Unironically way stronger, and even faster, than Bladestorm now

[charred brook]

liquid would have this boss dead with 3 arms executing smh

[plain latch]

what is an execute

also not pressing tc to apply rend in st is throwing me off

[cosmic garden]

does Wowhead have a specific rotation with Colossus for single and M+?

I feel like I'm not doing very well in the rotation sometimes

even more so in single target

[gentle dragon]

Hello here

I'm using the build with "skullsplitter" for mm+ but something off and ppl keep telling me to play with Execute talent

Is that a relaibable option?

[nova marsh]

Colo I assume?

[gentle dragon]

Yes Colossus

[gentle dragon]

You think i can play massacre + executioner precision?

[nova marsh]

I'm not sure why you would

Exe does very little for colo to my knowledge

You have nothing pushing you towards jugg to make it do good damage, EP isn't really worth the rage

[gentle dragon]

35% stacking 2 times on ms i guess?

[nova marsh]

Imo EP is not worth it for colo

It'd more efficient to gamba off of Battle lord and the MS resets

Exhilerating blows

[gentle dragon]

And about " Skullsplitter" the impact is THAT effective, ?

Event under "sweeping striker" i don't feel like a HUGE dps boost

[nova marsh]

With 4pc colo, it should be

[gentle dragon]

Still in 2 p ^^

[nova marsh]

Well yeah then I don't think it matters that much

Exe could be more value, espically on ST. But after 4pc sks has a lot more value

[gentle dragon]

ok i'll stay like this then and see in a few weeks with 4 p

thx

[spiral coral]

GG Liquid

[nova marsh]

Another Liquid W?

Thank god now we can see tuning

[spiral coral]

They’re def killing it soon lol

The damage they just got in p3 with lust was just fucking insane

[hexed saddle]

they didnt kill

[hexed saddle]

im not sure they are

[nova marsh]

It would be nice if they would

[hexed saddle]

i mean ur not getting tuning until the reset

so it doesnt really matter

[celest forge]

Is wowanalyzer still accurate for arms? It's yelling at me to cast more mortal strikes but I think I'm already casting them all?

[void bay]

u can always cast more

[celest forge]

True

[vast helm]

no rework and 10 more talent points we dead

[granite coral]

https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif

[rich ridge]

How’s arms this tier? Is it still good?

[hexed saddle]

no lol

[smoky kayak]

Skullsplitter isn't that impactful, but it is a nice bit of priority damage that Colossus picks up easily

[smoky kayak]

It's not amazing, but it's not terrible

• Colossus does really good multitarget (though almost no ST)
• Slayer is "ok" in raid, but not really any better than Fury; you can play it if you like, but if it's a matter of "I only wanna play the best thing" there's not really any reason to prioritize it

[quaint aspen]

There’s one important aspect (at least for me) to take into account, fury is much higher paced. I personally like slower classes

Fury is prob one of highest APM in the game

[royal steppe]

whats the off-piece for arms

[boreal remnant]

it's in the wowhead guide

[dreamy sandal]

Aight thanks!

[stone moss]

So is arms a cook now?

[thick kelp]

always was

[stone moss]

I thought it was dead before buff

[thick kelp]

Only for a fury player

[stone moss]

as a fury player, I am just seeing how it is on the other side of the fence, arms seems fun too

[weak wave]

Oh yes.
Just a random NHC boss but...

[stone moss]

So like how is arms playstyle wise to fury?

I like how easy Fury is but im not going to lie it makes me hands hurt

[minor gust]

I did 15 streets today with Slayer arms felt kind eh. When your playing Blord are you doing normal slayer execute rotation or Colossus exe as a slam replacement.

[hasty pumice]

damn I feel happy

seeing the massive aoe damage on arms compared to my 3k push with fury

[boreal quartz]

German spotted

[hasty pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-know-let-me-know-dog-meme-let-me-know-dog-dog-holding-laugh-dog-speed-gif-15789708427721573726

I'm home again

[slow saddle]

Hear me out buff sks to make it rly good with col

[smoky kayak]

tbf streets is a relatively weak key for builds that depend on higher target counts

[smoky kayak]

before the buff, Colossus was basically a weaker version of Thane
post buff, it's standing up pretty well, with even more aoe potential, though less ST

[stone moss]

Would you say arms is easier harder or the same as fury

[smoky kayak]

idk, neither are particularly difficult

[pearl wind]

[fossil root]

Cant wait for systems reveal tomorrow only to hear that Mortal Strike is getting moved at the very end of our spec tree.

And top skill changed from MS to Slam.

[hasty pumice]

floodgate 13

feels so much better to play than with fury in m+ man, fuck fury

[tawdry sleet]

how the hell do i use demolish? i used it only with 10 stacks but mine hits like a wet noodle

im missing something surely

[hasty pumice]

always try to align it with the damage amp from warbreaker

and if avatar has like 5-10 seconds left on it, with that, too

can also be stacked with sweeps for some extra damage iirc but its not that important

[tawdry sleet]

20 mil on dummy with warbreaker

seemed better just right after warbreaker

[hasty pumice]

on single target dummy or 5

[normal cape]

My guild asked me to go warrior or ww monk. I like the big hits and both classes are mobile as fuck. Hoe is arms compared to ww in you opinion? I see so many tier lists dooming on arms. I dont want to play fury

[tawdry sleet]

on 5 target it did 35 mil

[hasty pumice]

5 target d ummy

[tawdry sleet]

exactly

im looking at logs and i see that

and i look at mine its a wet noodle

i dont get it

[hasty pumice]

single target

do you have 4p set? Do you actually stack it with avatar, warbreaker and perhaps trinket?

[tawdry sleet]

5 target with avatar and warbreaker

[hasty pumice]

ilvl

[tawdry sleet]

706 xd

im prot main so

[fresh spire]

Could happen

Who knows.

[hasty pumice]

yeah I'm main fury so my gear is more nudged towards mastery than crit

I'm not optimal either

[tawdry sleet]

im at 29k haste xd

[hasty pumice]

[tawdry sleet]

got ara kara and soleahs technique

thats what raidbots told me too use with what i got

idk

[hasty pumice]

on arms the stone idol from HOA is insane

but the cast sucks balls

thats by far the best trinket you can get for m+

[tawdry sleet]

im only gonna raid

im prot main so

[hasty pumice]

then why do you care about arms? kekw

[tawdry sleet]

because we are too many tanks xd couldnt find a tank spot

so im dps until a tank spot opens

[hasty pumice]

psure you wanna go slayer then anyways

col is for m+

[tawdry sleet]

yea but surely not for all bosses

cant be doing forgeweaver mythic with 30 mil demolishes 💀

[hasty pumice]

colossus has very mediocre boss damage

also slayer doesnt have demolish

idk maybe I'm coping and you do play col on soulbinder and forgeweaver

[tawdry sleet]

idk according to warcraftlogs that seems to be the case

[hasty pumice]

do you stack demolish up

[tawdry sleet]

ye ofc

i dont clikc it until its on 10

then warbreaker into it

likei look at soulbinder mythic on critcakes log

and hes max crit hit with demolish is like 55 mil

thats more than mine overall 💀

[hasty pumice]

gotta keep in mind that he has all raid buffs

chaos 3%, monk 5%, 2% mastery, 3% versa

[tawdry sleet]

yea given but still

ur hitting 90 mil on 5 targets

mine did half

somethings still missing

xd

[hasty pumice]

I'm at a loss cause there's not much you can do wrong

can you record your gameplay sequence?

[tawdry sleet]

how horrid is this weapon

[hasty pumice]

I'm pretty sure its not 40m worth of damage

[tawdry sleet]

xd

[hasty pumice]

couldnt be me

[tawdry sleet]

would be faster just streaming it most likely

yea idk how i can fuck it up

[hasty pumice]

im in psf now, can check it out later

[tawdry sleet]

wait for 10 stacks click all cds and smack on dummy

it should do more than 45 mil

[smoky kayak]

You can but it’s really throwing boss dam

Complete pad on soulbinder; AoE is important on forgweaver, but also is boss dam

[tawdry sleet]

obviously looking at these logs

fully buffed, HoA trinket ect guess makes sense for demolish too hit atleast twice mine when im fully into haste

looks alot more reasonable when i look at someone with same trinkets/stats suddenly doesnt hit for a gazillion dmg

[daring heron]

also inflates arms on the wcl stats!

gotta stop padding on soulbinder if arms is to get more buffs

[tawdry sleet]

Do I overpower before MS and cleave or not worth it? And does cleave take prio over MS if both are up or always MS first?

[wooden lava]

I'm afraid arms has hit its cap for buffs this season

to unlock more, lock down discord

[thick kelp]

@daring heron how do you say professional in Norwegian

[daring heron]

profesjonell

[wooden lava]

couldn't call our dev that

maybe a profesjonell troll

[thick kelp]

Thanks, i am filling a job app in Norwegian

[white condor]

do yall play slayer or colo in M+

[sturdy hearth]

colo

[halcyon valve]

always demolish man

it doesnt get better than this

[spiral coral]

really?

[halcyon grove]

our balance druid just yelling at dc " warrior is op " couse of those fights

arms*

[hasty pumice]

Most op spec clearly

[slow saddle]

If colo had good st

Id say it could be quite good on plenty of bosses here

[lapis crystal]

@hasty pumice hello sir, would you like to review one of my key later ?

[hasty pumice]

Sup, I'm not sure if I'm the correct person to talk to about it

What are you basing that off? Cause I'm just a random dude around here

[candid pecan]

sim it, it has no main stat, so pretty horrid

[lapis crystal]

Random dude maybe but better than me xd

I started the game 1 month ago and i main arms warrior

[hasty pumice]

How would you know?

[lapis crystal]

I do +11 key 12 with my friends

[lapis crystal]

This x)

I did a 12 floodgate but i did only 6m dmg overall

[hasty pumice]

I'm just pushing atm, don't have an insane amount of time, at 3073 rn with no fixed group

Like as dumb as it sounds, just following the prio list of the wowhead guide gives you everything you need to know. Sometimes you can hold a few things depending on hp and mobs remaining, like if there's only 2-3 mobs left you can stack up a huge sweeping strikes and keep that cleave buff if you move to the next pack, then maybe stack it with warbreaker + demolish and ravager for a massive cleave

I feel like arms is a lot about aligning damage buffs without holding much

I highly recommend reading through all talents to see what exactly affects your cleave damage for example

[lapis crystal]

Ok thank you doctor

I will do it

[hasty pumice]

Another thing you should do if you struggle with rage gen on single target bosses is to not overcap your overpower stacks. Sometimes you can press mortal strike like 3-4 times in a row, but if you know you won't have ravager soon for a rage refill, you should alternate between overpower and mortal strike

Also I personally hate pressing execute, it's slightly stronger than slam while costing 40 rage, if you have it

Whereas I just want to fish for overpower / mortal strike procs anyways, so you can also save some rage there

[lapis crystal]

talking about overpower i saw on really good arms main how much do they use cleave mortal overpower and i used too much overpower compared to pro

[devout pewter]

Gotta at least just have it on cooldown and never sit on 2 stacks, but use the second stack when nothing else is ready basically

[hasty pumice]

You never want to prio overpower over cleave or mortal strike unless you have rage issues

In aoe you'll never struggle with rage tho

Also remember to always keep all bleeds up and never use the roar without any bleeds on, because it amps up other bleeds

You can also giga quickly stack up your Demolish with sweeps + mortal strikes

Since you only want to use demolish with 10 stacks now, you should quickly get it up to 10

[lapis crystal]

so before the demolish if i cant stack my demolish with only cleave i use mortal strike and not overpower ?

[hasty pumice]

And make sure on fresh packs to mortal strike a mob you won't steal aggro from once while they still get grouped up

You don't want to lose your Demolish stacks while waiting for the pack to stack

[hasty pumice]

Yes, mortal strike crits take off 2 seconds from demolish or give mad demolish stacks

And with sweeping strikes they count twice

[lapis crystal]

okok ty for your advices i have to go but i screen what you said i will read a lot of time i will comeback later if i have another question have a good day

[hasty pumice]

You, too, man

[tawdry sleet]

have nothing else so idk

[crude pendant]

arms viable in M+ yet guys?

[steep osprey]

Do you mean viable or competitive?

Everything in the game is "viable", per the definition of the world

Arms is very good in M+ rn

[halcyon valve]

very viable

plus it just feels good now

colossus with 4set is just so smooth

[steep osprey]

MIght be competitive too

[crude pendant]

more concerned what others think i guess, i just don't wanna play fury honestly

i'll swap to arms for a bit, i've always enjoyed it

[steep osprey]

You don't have to

Arms is pretty equal to fury if not better in certain situations

play what you want

[hasty pumice]

Just try to look for semi Phys comps, you'll likely never get accepted in a group with like DH + mage or spriest / balance

My invite chance is way higher on comps that already move towards Phys comp

[balmy kindle]

u see sham, hunter, monk u try

[steep osprey]

yep

[hasty pumice]

You see feral, monk, shaman, you finish

My other message wasn't family friendly mb

[crude pendant]

alright good advice i'll remmeber as i start going for higher keys

[wooden lava]

have you guys used screams in a key?

mine did some disgustingly low damage

shit was a joke

I lost to a fire mage

[sturdy hearth]

about the same

[wicked oak]

Yop,

Any arms play Slayers in big key ot bad idea ?

[sturdy hearth]

Slayers ST isnt enough to off set the low aoe dmg potential

[wooden lava]

wtf u were cranking

[wicked oak]

Btw , colossus are just the solution so

I prefer to play slayer but if so bad...
I play arm, i prefer to skip any most problem ^^

[shadow ibex]

Seems mega bad for aoe idk

I used it once never again

I use it in raid but only had for a few days so no idea

[balmy kindle]

its ok but i think its comp dependent, u do lose quite alot of aoe.

colo is also tanky as f

[viral locust]

Slayer arms disagrees

Arms owns

[balmy kindle]

4pc ?

[tawdry sleet]

no 4 piece week 2? smh

[balmy kindle]

i took M weapon

[tawdry sleet]

no raiding? or just mega unluck

[balmy kindle]

unfort no raiding, RL is busy with irl so mostly M+

[tawdry sleet]

ahh fair then

[wooden lava]

i need to see some more proof

[balmy kindle]

will guarantee 4pc next week tho so dont regret taking m weapon

[wooden lava]

i wanna cope

[wicked oak]

Thanks for your answers, so I'm leaning towards Colossus.

[sturdy hearth]

holy, can you show the dmg distribution pls

[lime ruin]

I go aoe slayer arms and fury pretty frequently, the aoe isn't even that bad and the ST can be absurd, people just repeat what they read without actually trying it themselves

[shadow ibex]

I don't think it's that deep

I just hate slayer

Atp demolish with 4pc is the entire slayer tree for aoe

[sharp wyvern]

and then you go into streets as col and you have to fight 5 bosses

[viral locust]

I played this (with slightly scuffed fury gear/raid trinkets)

would be more if i had pacemaker/idol combo probably

big trinket on pack with cds

[shadow ibex]

Buffs your next ms, does a ton of aoe dmg applies debuff to everything it hits

[viral locust]

I think there is some dungeons where you might swap if you need more ST in your comp between arms/fury and slayer/colo/thane builds potentially

either way slayer arms kinda fun to play, so simple too

could maybe get some more aoe with culling cyclone if you wanted too

and roar talents over cruel strikes

kinda pad tho

[wooden lava]

what level was it in

[viral locust]

just 11 testing

[rich fern]

Do we have to play fervor of battle as m+ collosus arms ? Its animation is super weird doing half slam half cleave animation and it makes me sick

[thick kelp]

Yes

especially as colossus

[alpine idol]

im guessing u need 4-set to make this viable?

[rich fern]

What about slayer arms?

[soft gust]

Didn't see anything on the wowhead guide so i figured I'd ask here. In big pulls in M+, is it worth thunder clapping multiple times since our tier is such a big boost for our bleeds?

or should we just stick with maintaining five

[minor gust]

Yeah streets is low target and a lot of bosses that's why I tried it out

[balmy kindle]

4 set just makes ur spins stronger and ur op able to proc spin = more aoe

[hasty pumice]

Is col still stronger? Haven't done streets 14 yet since I swapped to arms

There's some routes with spicy aoe pulls

[thick kelp]

u can skip it but its a very noticeavle amount of dmg ur missing out

[minor gust]

Idk haven't done a col streets on a high keys yet. Think I'm just always gonna rock fury in that key

[minor gust]

It's ok I'll look at what the sim does later. I thought you loved me.

[shadow ibex]

Our apex tree or whatever

It's gonna be execute focused isnt it

Thats where condemn will go

[last saddle]

So arms back on top of fury in m+?

I see a couple of arms up there in raid as well on the heroic rankings

[minor gust]

If all you care about is getting a higher overall sure

[hasty pumice]

Fair enough, I might fuck around with col Vs slayer there, but no going back to fury

Though it makes the most sense tbf

[minor gust]

Fury is just really good right now in streets and dawn. Only time I really beat my assa and fdk buddys right now

[acoustic dove]

Guys, what dungeons arms is better then fury?

[wicked oak]

Is not a chan arms ? 🤔

[hasty pumice]

Yeah but tbh idk how it's for you, but I enjoy dedicating to one spec more and seeing that through. For raids I much prefer the gameplay loop of fury while in M+ I just much prefer arms

[spare lichen]

hi what weapon do i craft (be nice)

[eager sigil]

any 2hand strength one

[minor gust]

I freely swap between the two all the time. No reason to hard stay on one unless you just don't like the other. Not like stats really matter for either spec.

Just get diff rings and or neck and your chillin

[hasty pumice]

Yeah I was surprised that the stat weighs are that easy going , swapped from hard mastery focus to arms with just a slight change up in neck and rings and expected to deal Garbo damage

[lapis crystal]

Look on the guide wowhead everyone craft this one

[hasty pumice]

A friend swapped from sub to outlaw rogue and made a new char cause you just needed full versa

I just don't enjoy fury nearly as much in M+ compared to arms, same as any other spec I've tried. It's just such a fun gameplay loop to me

[balmy kindle]

what enchant u use on the off hand

oathsworn ?

[minor gust]

Yeah it's been like that for awhile now I think back in DF all stats are generally pretty good for warrior there's no stat that either spec absolutely hates

[minor gust]

Currently 1 stonebound and 1 depths. Just what my Sims are saying right now.

Dont think to hard just sim

[smoky kayak]

Depths kinda pointless now, even if it sims slightly ahead it loses out in MT

And it’s just gonna keep falling behind

[minor gust]

Yeah ik was mostly for the raid I kept it. I know it's gonna get worse as I get more gear

I'm not rich enough to be swapping enchants constantly and I don't really care to much to min max for M+ right now

Just chilling and doing keys with da boys

[balmy kindle]

probably gonna have to bust out the 2 sword build for streets getting super annoyed pushing it

[minor gust]

It's ok 2 sword build is a lot of fun this patch

[pearl wind]

I played slayer no rend until I got 4pc and colossus demolish changed my life

[past rampart]

hi all ! can i play slayer in MM+ ?

dont really like demolition 🥲

[thick kelp]

yes

[wicked oak]

Oh...

at this point ?

I have just 2 p.

I prefer slayer too...

But the Sim dps...

doesn't agree with me...

• 1.5 M DPS

[minor gust]

Play what's fun to you

[wicked oak]

Less

1 hour to slack because i'm arms ...
if i additionnal bad template ....

i have just 2P

but i prefer the cycle dps

[past rampart]

agree

[final flame]

hi what is better activating set bonus or keeping ilvl?

[wild heart]

Set

[final flame]

ty

[zinc yacht]

Simming is your answer. But usually I keep the old set until I can replace it with the new one

[final flame]

gotcha i didn t download any add ons so i ll just get the set

[past rampart]

look ok for u ?

[thick kelp]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/DAOBUVFREQhYRIpRUBAOVVEVURVFQkVQFQCEEEFVVUBV

[wicked oak]

I try 2 template différence for Slayer

( 2 P )

[wicked oak]

yours is better yep

[wicked oak]

than this one

ty btw

[hollow wave]

How much Fueled by violence is healing?

With all the bleed shenanigans

[pearl wind]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FyK7YWjmr24HXnJg?fight=last&type=healing&source=2

for me a little more than leech

i have 3% leech and dont play SkS

honestly maybe i try ignore pain because warrior seems to lack on demand defensive buttons for acute aoe dmg

the top arms warriors dont run it but i bet they have like fixed groups where people know they will need externals

[inland tartan]

is it? all ive been hearing about lately is how arms is dead. good to know theres some hope

[pearl wind]

arms is quite solid in m+ actually

you still get a little gapped by skilled warlock rogue mage

and ironically it isn't as durable as those three cloth/leather specs

rogue feint is wild

[river ridge]

D stance + Either Spell Reflect or DbtS should be able to help you live most mechanics

[pearl wind]

dbts is only available every 90s for 30% DR

feint is 2 charges every 30 seconds for 40% aoe DR and 20% DR

[river ridge]

No for sure

But Warriosr can live most things with smart defensive uses

[teal fossil]

It costs energy

Not sure if they took it off gcd yet but there’s also that

But yeah dbts is kinda bad

[minor gust]

You have Dstance and SR which are some of the best defensives in the game

Arms is not squishy it's just more squishy compared to fury

[cold vigil]

is battlelord viable for ST?
or fatality?

[river ridge]

Fatality has been undertuend all expansion

[tawdry sleet]

When would i wanna pop cursed stone idol when playing slayer build?

[river ridge]

You play battle lord if you're playing Colossus Tho

[cold vigil]

yeah it seemed to do more dmg in DF

[river ridge]

Before Avatar

[tawdry sleet]

alright thanks!

[river ridge]

Its 1.5 Min, should line up every time

[tawdry sleet]

ahh ye makes sense

[river ridge]

np

[tawdry sleet]

avatar doesnt get reduced like protection has ^^

[proud heath]

why are people not using skullspliiter i thought the tier bonus makes it worth now?

[old urchin]

Cause it feels bad to press

[weak wave]

Can loot from Tazavesh streets also drop in the other Tazavesh key?

[river ridge]

Nope.

[weak wave]

Why does google tell me the opposite? 😬

[river ridge]

Kind of a weird button. But ultimately, adds another ability to manage on top of Arms' Already wonky AoE rotation.

[weak wave]

Yes, any boss-dropped loot, or items available from the dungeon's bonus objectives like the Street Smart Hard Mode reward chest, can drop in either the Mythic+ version or the weekly Great Vault from Tazavesh, provided you complete the dungeon with an active Mythic Keystone or meet the criteria for the bonus reward.

[river ridge]

Was that answer from AI?

[weak wave]

yes

[river ridge]

Well there's your answer LMAO

Google AI is wrong. Loot will only drop from the respective side of the dungeon.

From the M+ Chest

[weak wave]

okay thanks 🙂

[minor gust]

Because some ppl don't like to press SKS

[granite coral]

SKS feels horrible to press

[minor gust]

I like it with the Colossus M+ build. Your bleeds do a lot of dmg so it's good prio dmg. Plus the rage gain is nice in AOE when your spamming cleave Ms and TC

Shit can get expensive with rage when you get good EB rng

[spiral coral]

how

I quite like colossus right now, just wish it had better st

[smoky kayak]

it got a nice buff

[smoky kayak]

it was dropping both sides earlier in the season

[stable fiber]

i think sks generating rage made it a nicer push

[smoky kayak]

they separated them out sometime this or last week

[smoky kayak]

it's always generated rage lol

[stable fiber]

oh

i only played arms like 1 tier

xdd

idk i complained about it before but then i learned it generated rage and didnt care that much about it

[granite coral]

Maybe I am just set in my ways, just doesn’t feel comfy to work into the rotation

Am I crazy or does it seem like such a delayed response when it’s used?

[teal fossil]

you are crazy

just pretend its a slam

that does decent damage

[halcyon valve]

if you account for the sped up dot ticks it does real good damage

[spiral coral]

I mean it might feel delayed cause the opener is a fucking nuclear launch code

[halcyon valve]

arms m+ opener vs arms standard rotation

[spiral coral]

I 100% rush sks though, I think it's like 11 on the rotation but I usually do it right after demo

Also I feel like if I do a cleave/ms WB will be fallen off by then when I hit sks but you want to hit sks in wb window right?

seems tight

[granite coral]

https://tenor.com/view/cross-arms-gif-11236317760153737162

Fine I’ll try it for a bit

[granite coral]

😂

[spiral coral]

Can use it pretty liberally too you don't have to use it in the main rotation after tr/av/wb because its on a like 20 sec rotation so you can get one off outside of all that

[granite coral]

Opener is a fucking rush but man it feels good on those big chonky pulls

Like eco dome first pull 🤌

[spiral coral]

It's really not that bad, just throw on some lofi and hit dummies for a bit

[granite coral]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-music-monkey-monkey-listening-to-the-music-monkey-chill-vibin-gif-24320967

[minor gust]

Opener needs to be shortened with a passive ravager and TR removed and rend applied some other way

[shadow ibex]

passive ravager

no sks

[granite coral]

Just give us S3 DF set bonus

[spiral coral]

Y'all wanna make arms into fury

take away buttons

[granite coral]

Execute = tclap = aoe rend

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/grumpy-cat-viralhog-dont-touch-my-keyboard-dont-do-it-stop-gif-23248135

[spiral coral]

col feels quite like it to me just no jugg bullshit

[shadow ibex]

thats not even possible lmao

we didnt use cleave

all our aoe dmg was DN

[granite coral]

agreed col feels pretty comfy in keys

[halcyon valve]

Yep its smooth

[vague ore]

how bad is arms st compared to fury

[shadow ibex]

they are even

[slow saddle]

3% worsr

[shadow ibex]

check your own gear

some ppl have higher sim for one or the other

[hollow wave]

Is this a thing? Just wondering what is the best to replace SKS for m+ (I hate SKS)

[minor gust]

its an option yeah

[dry frost]

100%

SKS is just a nice prio option

[minor gust]

its like .3%-.4% diff so some people are choosin to drop it for SOA

[grave mulch]

rwf is over now the arms buff can come in now

and RAT i mean mean ret can be nerfed

[halcyon valve]

kekw

first thing thats gonna come in is dimensius getting nerfed by like 20% dmg or some shit

[onyx rapids]

Guys just saw Critcakes youtube
Arms seems viable right?!
actually pretty strong!

[outer forge]

in m+, for a single target opener when i'm running colossus, would I just use the multi target opener and swap cleave out for MS wherever it's called for?

[spiral coral]

@outer forge You would use the single target opener for colossus. You can see this by going to WoWhead, rotations, and then in Single Target put it on Colossus and select m+ talents.

[outer forge]

not sure how i missed that

thank you

[spiral coral]

All g im a nerd and clip these and put these to the side when im on dummies

bro a rwf t shirt for 55+$ after shipping is craaaazy

https://tenor.com/view/sml-jeffy-ordered-ordering-supermariologan-gif-12936916998945385413

[hollow wave]

Arms are very strong in M+, but so is fury

IMO the main difference is that fury is way more durable, and you do more damage when you are alive

[lethal acorn]

Colossus Arms is durable, especially to strong single hits or aoe damage, Fury is more durable to DoT/ticking damage because of the self sustain, Fury is more durable than Arms if the Arms is playing the squishy Slayer hero tree and not the fun (totally not biased) Demolish button on Colossus!

[shadow ibex]

the chad colossus warrior healing from FBV and 80% dmg on bleeds

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-gif-25024682

max heal from fbv in random dawnbreaker

[lethal acorn]

I feel bad for Fury, they don't have access to the sickest button in the game

[manic stirrup]

USA USA USA USA

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-team-liquid-csgoliquid-stewie2k-gif-18838322

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[silent saddle]

lol I'm currently in the process of deciding if I want to learn fury or arms for m+. I main a resto sham and war has been my fun "when I'm bored and want to smash buttons" char. Thought I was decided on fury then I saw Crit's video

If this'll be my cheap dopamine hit I want to look good on meters. Feels like Arms will do that better

[slate grail]

fury is 2 buttons so ur good to go on that anytime, so learn arms

[silent saddle]

Yeah fury felt very simple, and I'm sure I'd bore of that quickly

[faint axle]

anyone into pvp for arms ? beginner here

[silent saddle]

sorry to ask but I didn't see this in the FAQs: can I sim dungeon slice for arms? I feel like it different for every char/spec

[silent sun]

how much dmg do we gain with 4set? im still stuck at 2set till tuesday

[void bay]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview

[silent sun]

thanks

[hollow wave]

What do you mean, Fury have more DR and more HP than arms by a considered amount[

[nimble roost]

how hard am i trolling if i run bladestorm instead of ravager for colossus arms in m+?

[void bay]

Do you prefer it?

[nimble roost]

yeah but if its alot less damage then i dont wanna run it

[heavy patio]

if you like bladestorm in m+ just play no rend slayer

[nimble roost]

iu might try that

[heavy patio]

arms already dog water in keys, might as well play whats the most enjoyable

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-iouvels-side-eye-awks-are-you-fr-gif-24422806

[granite coral]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

[outer forge]

i make arms look like dog water in keys, but that's cause I'm bad

[dry frost]

How much of a aoe loss and st gain is the no rend Slayer M+ build

[silent saddle]

are there any cooldowns you can reliably macro together for colossus m+ build? I'm running out of my usual bindings 😂

[shadow ibex]

if arms is dog water i worry what it was like before 8%

[silent saddle]

question for you guys.. does this opener seem okay in m+ as Colossus?

Charge/Sweeping Strikes maco

Cleave

Thunderclap

Thunderous Roar

Avatar/Warbreaker macro

Ravager

Cleave

Demolish

still very new and trying to learn and see where I can put some macros together to make life easier

[nova marsh]

Well first of all, thunderclap before cleave

Ava and warbreaker don't need to be bound

[silent saddle]

would you mind explaining the why? I like to understand the nuances (referring to clap before cleave)

I still have a button for pressing warbreaker separately but I just figured it saves me a button press during big CD windows with things up

[slow saddle]

Also sweep later

Rav b4 avatar

[silent saddle]

sweet ty guys. I also see a lot of parses where people will mix in a mortal strike, overpower, and maybe another cleave before sending demolish. I assume they're just getting more colossal might stacks?

[native leaf]

anyone tried dropping exhilarating blows for dreadnaught for the colossus bleed build? it seems to be simming higher for me generally in both aoe and st, also in dslice

[slow saddle]

Yes

[silent saddle]

ok cool

and thunderclap I see is target-capped at 5 targets to apply Rend. will it smart-target non-rended targets if I clap again at >5 targets

[slow saddle]

No

Welcome to warrior

😅

U still wanna clap at timrs

[smoky kayak]

thing about DN for Colossus is that you spend most of your time pressing Cleave & MS

[grave mulch]

Time to nerf ele shamans and dev and locks since rwf is over and buff arms

[balmy kindle]

[grave mulch]

I woke up from a nap and chose chaos

[smoky kayak]

I also notice other differences from the standard build, which may be why you're getting unexpected simming results. For example

• you're using Arterial Bleed, which is a lot better for ST than One Against Many
• DN is much worse than SoA in ST and Exil is much better than 2/2 Bloodborne

[grave mulch]

Arch are you happy where our dps warriors sit atm?

[smoky kayak]

I mean... generally? Yeah I think so

There are certainly a few hiccups and problem areas, but there's not that much to complain about overall

[slow saddle]

No race no good!

Lets shutdown forum

[smoky kayak]

• Juggernaut needs to change
• talent-build diversity has gotten better, but could continue to do so
• slam streaks still exist, even if they are a little rarer
• I wish Demolish just applied CS instead of its own unique debuff
• there are a few dead talents that could use some attention
• sweeping strikes should be off the GCD
• spear should be an off-gcd utility ability, roar should be a little better, condemn (or something else that's more ST oriented) could replace spear at the bottom of the tree

[grave mulch]

Without the troll. I am actively having fun with arms as a whole in raid and M+. I am a slayer enjoyer but col is fun to dab in once in a while. 🤝

Bring condemn back. I am not sure if that will help our situation or make it worse tho. Was fun back in the day

[smoky kayak]

Warriors got a bad shake in the RWF, but I'm not sure that's actually reflective of Warriors being bad so much as other specs just being too good. Warriors are actually doing quite well, in groups that can't stack 4x of the same three specs, which is most of them

Those fights also tend to look a lot different by the time the greater raiding playerbase gets to them anyway

[slow saddle]

Ofc fury aint bad

Its just not good

[grave mulch]

Its alright brothers we will have 2 arms warriors in the next RWF

[smoky kayak]

I do think Slarms could be a little stronger in ST to warrant the fact that Fury is generally a better ST/MT hybrid, but you can't really expect that every spec be competitive in every facet of the game all the time either

[grave mulch]

Yeahhhh slam feels a little weak agreed

[slow saddle]

I mean it woulndt be that hard, i do think slarms should.be top st

Of warriors

Coz it requires juggernaut to 15, to be that

[smoky kayak]

the 8% buff did well, and I think both specs are in a fairly comfortable place regardless of their exact position in on stats pages, so no... no real complaints

War is also doing really well in M+ for the first time in awhile too

[slow saddle]

That is true both fury and arms are playable

[grave mulch]

S1 M+ warrior i miss

[slow saddle]

Id still say fury wins hands down but i love.boss prio dmg

[tacit crystal]

in my opinion if you ever just play anything other than warrior you just see how bad it is to be stuck on it when you could play anything else do 3x as much damage for half of the effort

[grave mulch]

bm hunter

[tacit crystal]

then the perception of being it bad makes game unplayable

[balmy kindle]

When my udk on 4pc at 693 claps my main at 705

[grave mulch]

The most annoying this is they nerfed our teir and left us in a terrible spot before giving us a 8% buff

[smoky kayak]

if we're talking about raid, yeah I think Fury is just generally better this tier... which is frankly fine; as long as Arms isn't complete trashcan, I don't see a problem with it

if we're talking M+, I don't think it's as clear cut since Colossus is actually doing quite well overall

[lethal acorn]

Colossus gives % DR and Arms has more built-in avoidance

I also didn't even think of the 4 piece tier set and the bleed heals from fueled by violence

[smoky kayak]

while this is true, Colossus damage reduction is target based and tied to a cooldown, so it isn't completely reliable; its avoidance also got nerfed in 11.0

[lethal acorn]

You at least get the base 5% from the hero tree, so that's neat

[smoky kayak]

that's true, Mountain did get buffed, and it's pretty decent now

but on the other hand, Fury gets 10% from Warpaint also practically all the time

[lethal acorn]

Ah, I forgot about warpaint, I havent dabbled in Fury since BFA

[smoky kayak]

Fueled by Violence also does heal a good amount, especially as Colossus, but so does BT + Gushing Wound as Fury so it's kind of a wash

[slow saddle]

I mean in raid plays trashcan🤣, and every later bosses have phases where we loose juggrrnaughty💩

[smoky kayak]

and actually now that we get quite a few more Sudden Deaths (that deal respectable damage), Slayer's Death Drive heals a good amount as well

[slow saddle]

But i will say arms col seems to do quite good yes

[smoky kayak]

certainly Dimensius is bad for maintaining Juggernaut, but idk about it being bad on every fight

[slow saddle]

Nexus?

[smoky kayak]

there's not really much downtime, all you do is leap, take a portal, and charge into a new mob

[slow saddle]

True true. Imma run next weeks hc as slarms

[smoky kayak]

Arms actually does really good 2target during the dragon set

biggest issue for Arms is its going to do less on the adds, but if you look at boss dam its actually quite a bit ahead of Fury

meanwhile H Fractilis and Soul Hunters are quite comparable atm, and I don't see any reason that should change on M

you know, ironically Arms has actually started to pull ahead on Dimensius too - probably because it has multiple execute phases to take advantage of, despite Jugg falling between phases

I think as more people start trying it, they'll find that Arms is a lot better than it seems

[wet magnet]

as someone who made their first warrior to main for this season, the only thing about the toolkit that I don't love is how terrible Sweeping feels to press, hah

[slow saddle]

Imma try it 100% on next week

Sweep of gcd

Would help

Or passive as suggested

[smoky kayak]

I mean it is a half GCD, so it's really not the worst thing in the world
honestly it's just the principle of the thing; it's completely unnecessary and there's no practical reason it should be on the GCD, half or otherwise

[slow saddle]

I do like its a toggle though

[smoky kayak]

the only reason it's still on a half GCD is because they simply "forgot" to change it back alongside everything else after BfA

[slow saddle]

I think its mainly coz of our long ass opener

[wet magnet]

something about it being a half GCD tends to throw me off my rhythm, just totally unnecessary friction

[slow saddle]

Coz clickin sweep in it self during charge wouldnt be to bad

So archie if i could pray for somethin its prob some opener reduction. Not quite certain how though🤣

Make wb also apply rend?

Sweep 0 gcd

[balmy kindle]

Just make all of our skills apply rend

[slow saddle]

🤣

Ikr, i mean im just trying to make nuclear launch code smaller

Delete roar

[balmy kindle]

In all honesty our main dmg skills shd just apply rend as a qol or rend should be baked into deep wounds

[slow saddle]

Thing is in rotation it works as is imho

Its just opener

[balmy kindle]

Yeah but any qol change is welcomed

[slow saddle]

Mby when avatar active, cleave//ms applys rend?

And ofc no stacls for demo

[balmy kindle]

Having to stack colossal might in 1 T is pretty annoying and I hope they fix it for midnight

[slow saddle]

Imagine if u just charge-cleave-tc-ravager-wb(avatar)-demo

Remove tc dammit

[balmy kindle]

I will support any qol change that involves removing TC for sure

[slow saddle]

I like pressing it

But the none smart and only 5 targets...

I mean come1

Make it smart and at least 8

[hollow wave]

IMO Rend should not exist, what is the reason to have 2 bleeds?
And clap applying rend makes no sense too, how a electric stomp would bleed lol

[serene cairn]

Is cursed stone idol sim bait on arms? The guides say it's fine not great, but sims say it's basically bis.

[balmy kindle]

I think both can co exist but current implementation is just piss poor

Ofc baking rend into deep wounds be like very insane qol wise

[hollow wave]

And demolish should have been a replacement for WB or a skill continuation like the templar paladin

Or combo skill, whatever the name is called

[balmy kindle]

There's a 1 sec channel time and u need to hit smth

[viral locust]

Ye it's clunky but used perfectly like the SIM it isn't sim bait. If used incorrectly probably worth using a close simming passive trinket

[hollow wave]

While the 5% is great, fury has 10% DR from warpaint and 8% DR from thane which uptime is almost 100%. And it's global DR, not like the avoidance that only works for AoE

Not to say the extra HP from another 2H, which is very considerable

[balmy kindle]

The tankiness diff not that huge though, main pro of fury is the ability to crank boss dmg without sacking much aoe

[hollow wave]

I agree it is not that huge, but it is considerable

[lethal acorn]

I wasn't thinking about Thane, I meant like Colossus Arms vs Slayer Fury isn't too big a difference

Thane Fury to Slarms probably gaps for defense

Also top 3 in my realm hype!

I don't even have 4 piece yet either lol

[balmy kindle]

The fun of playing an relatively obscure spec

[hasty pumice]

@minor gust yeah I did db14 yesterday with col and my god the boss damage sucked, especially rashanaan making you lose your stacks

Was like 5.5m overall

I think db14 might be my least favourite dungeon overall, the 1st and 3rd boss break the pace so hard

What aoe options does slayer even go for though? Cause I'm wondering if it would've been better there, but the cleave groups are really good for col

Especially if you maybe go for more coordinated groups with two caster packs together, the aoe knock up and bigger aoe damage might still make it better

Pugs are running out of 14 keys tho, I feel like Rio progress will slow down hard now at 3.1k, I need a fixed group

[stable marten]

Hey everyone, new to Arms and in love with Colossus and Demolish, is it worth it to make a cast sequence macro for Warbreaker and Demolish since they have the same CD? I am trying to cut down on button bloat

[orchid hemlock]

the CD of demolish gets reduced by mortal strike/cleave so they don't always line up

[stable marten]

I see, how do you deal with the button bloat? I am trying to figure out my opener for M+, and it's a lot of things that need to be cast in the right sequence

Charge, Cleave, Thunderclap, Roar, Avatar, Sweeping, Warbreaker, Ravager, Cleave, Demolish

It's a lot 😄

[orchid hemlock]

you can macro roar and avatar together, even if you take upraor it lines up with every other avatar

[stable marten]

Something like castsequence Thunderous Roar, Avatar ?

[orchid hemlock]

#showtooltip Avatar
/cast Avatar
/cast Thunderous Roar
/use 13
/use 14

that will send avatar roar and trinkets

[stable marten]

excellent thank you

[dull comet]

War Arms is back in m+ ? better than fury now ?

[pearl wind]

the buff made it viable but its not meta and maybe on par with fury in m+ overall

[stable marten]

I'm not really interested in being meta, I play prot and just want a viable alternative spec

And while single button rotation is cool, it's not viable for keys over 9 in my experience