The only Thing you brik is your craft for Arms
#arms
vast glacier
Since mythic weapon is GIGA for Fury together with the crafted one
And when you are somehow coordinatet with your crests, you avoid Hand Slot Upgrades, because this will be your craft in 4 weeks, like mine
astral yarrow
araz myth wep drops tonight/tmr and im the only one that can get it 
latent moss
im happy i got myth helm and sad i didnt get a weapon
vast glacier
👌
latent moss
at least i didnt have to choose between shit trinket belt and neck
someone sent a screen of their vault and it was that
brutal
week 2
astral yarrow
1 dk looted wep, other 1 crafted insta and we have no 2h str tanks
latent moss
u got mickey mouse upgrades
latent moss
1 dk looted wep, other 1 crafted insta and we have no 2h str tanks
forge ez
astral yarrow
forge can suck it
latent moss
i heard blizz exploded it
calm hollow
7% speed tho
vast glacier
7% speed tho
Fast as fuck booooyyy
vast glacier
Where is your jestor Diamond ? 🤔
icy magnet
do i craft ring with Elemental Focusing Lens if I already got crafted bracers?
vast glacier
do i craft ring with Elemental Focusing Lens if I already got crafted bracers?
Are you playing raid focused?
icy magnet
ye
vast glacier
Will you get mythic weapon soon ?
calm hollow
Where is your jestor Diamond ? 🤔
gave it to a vendor
icy magnet
Will you get mythic weapon soon ?
don't think so. better wait for weapon next week? i can't extract spark back right?
vast glacier
don't think so. better wait for weapon next week? i can't extract spark back rig...
You cannot, thats the Problem.
You have to wait two weeks now, but this is the best to do in my oppinion.
Otherweise for the next Patch, weaponcraft is most of the time the best choice. You can use embelishments with low ilvl items, they are equivalent.
dim basalt
Theres no reason to wait for weapon
The crafts on the other slots are still really weak
vast glacier
What is this ? 🤔
icy magnet
8% buff is active btw?
vast glacier
8% buff is active btw?
Yes
fresh spire
Colossus feels pretty OK in keys now
Slayer still feels scuffed
Ecodome 10 played bleed build
Probs would have done way more if I took one vs many
daring heron
do you think oam is better for overall
i simmed it the other day and the diff was pretty small on 8t
wicked oak
I prefer slayer.
Colossus its to much random in PU and dépend than tank
fresh spire
Not sure tbh. Gonna feelcraft some more today on what feels better. Ovm on aoe should beat bleeds though st will be way less
zenith warren
vast glacier
At least Set piece 🫠
sacred zodiac
Warpclaw
tacit crystal
icy mulch
Got 4pc last night, and Holy fuck does it change the game. Not saying that's a good thing, but I'm not at the bottom of the meters anymore.
latent moss
ye thats how it feels to have a real tierset
granite coral
I got 4pc, and the trinket from 1st boss heroic
Did a 12 DB yesterday and crushed it, felt good to top damage
icy mulch
Why can't our base kit be really good and rhan good tier on top of it. 
untold mist
NGL the ARms Colossus feels quite good on h uge pulls.
icy mulch
Demolish do be that good dopamine.
untold mist
this (ARA 11+) is w/o a weapon craft and i do still miss some ARMS gear but in 701 RN. Also there's legiot no buff on me (no monk, no feral nothing)
icy mulch
Shaman though, which is arguably the most important.
untold mist
windfury u mean?!
icy mulch
Yes
untold mist
i mean shaman mastery buff is also nice, but the monk flat 5% just insane tbh
keen raven
So we back to arms for M+?
untold mist
I dont think so, probably overall fury will be better ?! but ARMS is pretty playeble now in phsyical comps most likely... need some more testing
latent moss
i mean shaman mastery buff is also nice, but the monk flat 5% just insane tbh
so is skyfury
3% mastery is huge
its basically 3% more damage
and windfury is a lot of damage
untold mist
yup, they are both crazily good
latent hull
i mean shaman mastery buff is also nice, but the monk flat 5% just insane tbh
dont forgett u also have 20% chance ot strike auto attack again
so prettty huge against bosses u have more rage
for more slams
candid pecan
SO BACK
+10 Priory
we did +3 so that might inflate the overall dps number by a lot
but still 
(enh got PI)
lofty pulsar
Why is boneshaker recommended by arch over the knockup? Is the slow valuable
lofty pulsar
+10 Priory
Good lord. You run colossus right?
candid pecan
yes
lofty pulsar
When do you cast skullsplitter? Just curious about optimization
candid pecan
not sure 
, once MS is on CD on ST
icy mulch
We use SkS now? Wot?
daring heron
sks is optimal now on col
4 set increases bleed damage so sks gained value since s2
glacial moat
sks is optimal now on col
Ewwwww
sacred zodiac
+10 Priory
8% nerf
slate niche
+10 Priory
How it feeling in ST ?
candid pecan
pretty good
untold mist
How it feeling in ST ?
on ST its still terrible
slate niche
Pepesadge
floral ledge
+10 Priory
Arterial bleed or cleave one ?
candid pecan
Arterial bleed
icy mulch
Hmm
austere ruin
Is arms finally fixed with the buff I hate playing fury 😆
calm hollow
SKS good for prio damage/st
thanks for reminding me why i'm not playing arms this season
glacial rapids
Is arms finally fixed with the buff I hate playing fury 😆
Then stop playing Fury, unless your guild is making you.
austere ruin
Then stop playing Fury, unless your guild is making you.
No one makes me do anything I just like being viable
glacial rapids
No one makes me do anything I just like being viable
fresh spire
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6LZmc6wT8pdnuotqx1T31w
its so close for both
AB better for ST/OAM good for aoe
was just playing bleeds this morning to try it
lapis crystal
Hello guys i would like to know how do you play Colossus in key before the patch and with 2 set tier 691 ilvl i did 5 million dmg overall in +8key i dont really know how to do more dammage
gentle basalt
i commit slayer , i hate to play col
lapis crystal
+10 Priory
Did you record this key ?
icy mulch
was just playing bleeds this morning to try it
I'll have to give it a go.
forest hearth
do dashes just mean that the sample size is too small or something?
latent moss
invalidated iirc
nah its not invalidated nvm
but its not too small either
if it was too small it would have an asterisk at the end
like 100*
latent moss
nah its not invalidated nvm
or maybe it is idk
livid cloak
Does the apl optimize collateral damage with 2x martial prowess and ravager if available?
If it does, then playing arterial bleed also gives more room for error with the current tier set if you accidentally send a CD cleave without proper buffs
fresh spire
Nope as it sims as a damage loss to attempt to control it
While in real world settings not always the case
fresh spire
Think only time colaterial could be held is legit you have avatar/wb/demolish/rav ready very soon
Longer you hold it more potential you lose from just not sending extra cleaves
latent moss
i wish cd worked differently
candid pecan
Did you record this key ?
no
real birch
Are you using the M+ build from last season (thats currently suggested in archon) or the recommended build on wowhead? 🙂
ionic mulch
anyone raid last nigth w/ arms? howd we do
zenith warren
my st sim for arms is now 50k dps behind fury
so I will be playing that on ST in raid for sure
not a fan of fury slayer
fossil root
Arms spec will be remade into Farms spec.
forest hearth
anyone raid last nigth w/ arms? howd we do
I did pretty well, my secondaries are wack but overall performed pretty well
vast glacier
so I will be playing that on ST in raid for sure
Check bosses and uptimes. If you lose jug, you are more than 50k behind Fury
craggy escarp
My first pink parse ❤️ It’s all downhill from here boys!
boreal remnant
My first pink parse ❤️ It’s all downhill from here boys!
huge bro gj
heady cargo
Might sound like a stupid question but with the 4 piece for colossus in m+, if we crit a mob in a pack should we be swapping target to a new one and be fishing for crits on that
lone anvil
Also silly question, with the 8% buff to arms are we competitive vs fury in keys?
lone anvil
Sadge, I enjoy Arms more - oh well
lone anvil
Fury gives me carpal tunnel
slow saddle
If u arent pushing
Play arms
I just rly like being top dog on bosses
Instead of bottom feeder
dreamy egret
no one is playing arms warrior its rewarding in that regard and I am still top dmg on most bosses for my guild lol
lone anvil
what the helll? lol
dreamy egret
my guild isn't good we get aotc and then stop once we over gear it hell my raid leader uses one button rotation on a bm hunter hes brain dead lol
dreamy egret
exactly
slow saddle
I mean hc last 2 bosses
untold pewter
Hey as long as you guys are having fun
I bet you guys raiding normal have some fun than some CE guilds out there going through CBT on a few bosses until they get nerfed kek
dreamy egret
I cant stand mythic raiding
untold pewter
My guild raids CE every tier but our heroic runs are hilarious in comparison because of all the attention mythic demands
maiden quiver
My guild raids CE every tier but our heroic runs are hilarious in comparison bec...
carry me senpai
untold pewter
Still, every so often we'd hear of other guilds breaking on Tindral, breaking on Mugzee, breaking on this or that boss etc
Or breaking after CE
spiral coral
No matter how much fury slayer I play, my arms slayer is so much better
untold pewter
It can be rough
quaint otter
warrior life
lofty pulsar
How relevant is ilvl parse with regards to actual parse numbers
wheat crow
warrior life
Classic 😎 lol
outer forge
my guild isn't good we get aotc and then stop once we over gear it hell my raid ...
bruh...
lol
going from a 3 button rotation to a 1 button rotation is crazy
dry canopy
warrior life
Lol mine was like that until i timed a 14 Streets then i got into every other key after.
glacial rapids
Yeah thats just dps life in general until a certain io
eager sigil
spiral coral
Why are people so scared to decline?
I never understood that
If I’m running groups, I’m not going to make someone wait around lmao if I’m not choosing them I decline. It’s mad weird to me that people just let apps sit.
glacial rapids
Why are people so scared to decline?
theyre not scared theyre just being lazy
some people want to leave options on the table while others just cba to click or move their mouse
spiral coral
I think it’s funny when other warriors apply to my group
grave mulch
lots people flocking back to arms i see
quaint otter
Lol mine was like that until i timed a 14 Streets then i got into every other ke...
i cba to play anything above 10 with pugs rn
tried 12 so fiesta 
spiral coral
lots people flocking back to arms i see
quaint otter
10 at least playable with 3 people
grave mulch
https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-bigbangtheory-maybe-gif-5336221
i said yesterday and someone said "like who"
glacial rapids
lots people flocking back to arms i see
Yeah like @void bay said the other day. The turds come floating back after drifting away.
grave mulch
big facts.
granite coral
I never left
grave mulch
void bay
AMA about turds
fresh spire
grave mulch
granite coral
Pictured: Arms warrior after season 3 buffs dunking on ret paladins and enjoying their tears [colourized]
fresh spire
colossus actually feelsgoodman in keys
granite coral
Ya give me that big smash attack
fresh spire
hit a natty 250m total on like 13 mobs on gambit 
grave mulch
colossus actually feelsgoodman in keys
it pog in bosses too?
fresh spire
demolish
granite coral
it pog in bosses too?
Not really
grave mulch
thats what im playing
granite coral
Ya I liked it, col just does more damage atm
Felt like a good callback to the way arms used to be
fresh spire
Buff this you mean
fresh spire
colossus needs MS damage while not buffing slayer
5% buff to mortal strike only helps slayer
they need to buff practiced strikes to 30% while keeping cleave 20%
hell they could even buff AB to 10%
fresh spire
the gap is so far between slayer and colossus buffing an ability both use only keeps the gap
slow saddle
Seeing ms stronger on col should help a bit?
fresh spire
Not as much as you would hope
shadow ibex
Both press ms and lot still
vast glacier
Slayer also need a bit of help
Slayer needs a hell of a rework, change my mind
fresh spire
way slayer plays is fine
slow saddle
Like remove juggernaut
fresh spire
Issue is that to take cleave in keys you have to drop so much good shit
vast glacier
Bladestrom and this desync cooldowns is shit.
slow saddle
And we gucci imho
lusty arrow
So general consensus is we can arms again in M+ and feels pretty good? I’ve been scared to throw it on and just be sad about not playing it
fresh spire
fury drops some crit and random reck procs for full aoe meanwhile arms drops jug/rage refunds
also have to switch to WB
vast glacier
Like remove juggernaut
Remove buff duration on jug or increase it to a Point, where it doesnt drop of.
slow saddle
Remove buff duration on jug or increase it to a Point, where it doesnt drop of.
Remove it 100%
And buff baseline exe
Make sd procs just send
Like fury
Feels amazing
Dopamine everytime i,exe coz imma beyblade soon
vast glacier
Make sd procs just send
Would be it, If the duration would be infinite
slow saddle
Would be it, If the duration would be infinite
Better to delete then
vast glacier
The Idea of a ramping Charakter ist fine in my oppinion. Makes it unique.
slow saddle
M8
Pre everypull u would cast dummy
And spam until 15 staxls
Pls no
And we would be balanced around it
So no
vast glacier
Just make it, that you drop stacks in raid at Boss start, or like eye of kezan, that you loses stacks Out of Combat
slow saddle
Make less stacks as well
vast glacier
Eye of kezan had this model
river ridge
Yeah and it was buns outside of raid or when a boss died too quick
river ridge
Imo if we can't get rid of jugg for some reson, then at least have it only come into effect during actual execute phase and not let SD Procs give jugg stacks. Then buff sudden death accordingly so you can just send
No one likes juggling Juggernaut
vast glacier
No one likes juggling Juggernaut
That is true
But i also dislike the Idea of having a flat dmg curve without good execute. A ramping execute would be a tradenmark of Arms.
frosty pike
why not just like double the duration of jugg
itll still fall off inbetween longer pulls but the RNG fall offs or need to hold procs would pretty much go away
vast glacier
why not just like double the duration of jugg
Thats what i Said, or like the eye of kezan Interaktion. Doesnt drop incombat and Out of Combat loses stacks over 30 (or 20 idk) Seconds.
shadow ibex
They all do
Both our hero talents eat ass
I hate Thane expac but unironically the only good thing about tww warrior
With s4 tier its first time warrior has felt as good as something like frost dk when it was mega good
slow saddle
But i also dislike the Idea of having a flat dmg curve without good execute. A r...
M9
Are u silly?
Like last 2 tiers we are fucked if we dont go into exe with stacks
frosty pike
i like slayer, i think the identity and playstyle are cool. my biggest issues are with the warrior base tree if anything
shadow ibex
We still are
slow saddle
Because they gotta tune round that possibility
shadow ibex
Honestly the slayer experience did not change at all
frosty pike
so much warrior identity has to be specced for and it doesn't even have a good payoff
shadow ibex
Playing slayer just feels wrong
You just grab 2 weak auras
And its just kaching
Kaching
slow saddle
2?
shadow ibex
Oppor
shadow ibex
To fix blizzard delay
slow saddle
Ah true
shadow ibex
Well it got better with 4px
Lmao
Triggering slayer strikes = more SD
Since every third strike is sd
And 4pc makes slayer strikes more often
frosty pike
gimme that prot execute cleave
frosty pike
and we'll call it even
shadow ibex
That bit of aoe value would be like 2% of our dmg right now
Unless you wanna move dmg from other stuff
frosty pike
i'd rather just get some utility before inflating our damage to the point of needing nerfs
shadow ibex
Both hero specs just don't work imo
slow saddle
Col works in raid
shadow ibex
Thane is actually good with 4pc if they take it and put it in Thane tree
shadow ibex
Slayer gameplay is just toxic to me
shadow ibex
I mean in raid I refuse to play that shit in aoe
slow saddle
Gets old fast
frosty pike
yeah single target for sure and sometimes you just get cucked even holding procs
but M+ the general gameplay is stupid simple
hey look that guy has 3 stacks ill hit an exe on him
alright back to op/cleave
shadow ibex
Both of them just going down list
Ms op cleave
Change order depending on target count
frosty pike
p much
shadow ibex
Again at least Thane has to react to 100% tb buff lmao
Colossus eh charge keep these 3 on cd
Thats it just keep those 3 on cd in whatever order target count dictates
shadow ibex
I just dont feel impact playing colossus
shadow ibex
Once avatar is over and demolish is cast
livid cloak
Big demolish and big cd cleaves still hit hard
shadow ibex
It's just missing something
livid cloak
And lots of big pulls this season so I do not like the 5t cap of fury
shadow ibex
If our colossus 4pc was a lil different
livid cloak
I don't have 4p yet
shadow ibex
I also refuse to run sks as col
livid cloak
I'm looking forward to it though
slow saddle
Kek
shadow ibex
Im not touching sks fuuuuuck that
slow saddle
If clap just rended all targets
shadow ibex
Add one more button to my 19 button aoe set up
livid cloak
It will be nice on bosses and small pulls
shadow ibex
No thank you sir
frosty pike
SKS would be fine if it was warbreaker/smash style choice
imagine you drop an AOE SKS and your screen floods with bleed ticks
would be kinda cool
shadow ibex
It will be nice on bosses and small pulls
Cba to add another global to the burst
slow saddle
Sks is fine
shadow ibex
It needs to be applied by cs
livid cloak
There is a lot of setup i agree with that
slow saddle
Our opener is the issue
shadow ibex
Already 20~ cooldown with am
slow saddle
Playing thane. Spear and ham
shadow ibex
There is a lot of setup i agree with that
It's a lot a lot
slow saddle
I forgot it allready
shadow ibex
Honestly my biggest beef with col is probably that
The 10 keybinds before aoe can begin
livid cloak
Clap roar sweep ava and warbreaker just go get going
shadow ibex
Yup
livid cloak
Ravager
livid cloak
I don't have it yet 🙁
shadow ibex
I die when I clap
Thane things
Nothing better than tank going to a pull walking right next to him with a 100% dmg amp tclap in the pocket
Knowing if you press this, you die
slow saddle
I press i leap
livid cloak
If i have a big cd stack going into a pull
shadow ibex
Ima mash that fuckin button every time
livid cloak
I always dbts first
livid cloak
They're pretty passive anyway
shadow ibex
Yea when that weak aura says 20 next to my collateral buff
slow saddle
Brings 99% frustration
shadow ibex
I know itd about to be special
Still tho I think colossus just missing some effects
Maybe playing Thane to much but its just cool too
livid cloak
Thane is super cool I agree
shadow ibex
Players can see you popping off fuckin lightning every global
slow saddle
Id wish arms was thane
Claps and ms
Love it
Always silly when u share a hero spec with diffnroll
spiral coral
I don’t care for thane tbh
Slayer fury m+ is super fun though
I’m still debating if I like col lol
shadow ibex
I thought Thane was for losers until I got 4pc
edgy solstice
Demolish brrr
strange yacht
How important is 4 set compared to having 2 set for slayer?
edgy solstice
Might be time to dust off the engi
soft gust
If they sped up demolish by like 20% i think id be happy, just feels slightly too clunky still
soft gust
The fix to the cancel issues was great tho
edgy solstice
Idm demolish feeling slow when it's critting for 50 mil
Cleave spam gotta go tho
Or at least make cleave look better and more range
soft gust
Blademaster’s is awful yeah
If they buffed the damage and lengthened the cd proportionally it would be nice
Would make collat even more fun too
Cleave every other spell is cancer
Like 1-3 sec longer cd and meatier sound/visual design would be peak
edgy solstice
Give demolish and cleave the same visual clarity as shockwave at least
It's not easy to tell what you're hitting unless you've played the spec a bunch already
soft gust
Im still not sure sometimes tbh, i dont have nameplate damage so I just check my demo stacks to see if i hit 3 targets when theyre spread lol
shadow ibex
Or at least make cleave look better and more range
just feels so unimpactful when demo and cds are done
candid pecan
change gem from cloak to crit and farm a good ring/neck
shadow ibex
and im just cleave cleave ms op cleave OP
sharp wyvern
ive done 60 keys the last week and not a single arms ring or neck
edgy solstice
My trinkets are still cheeks
sharp wyvern
got myth plexus trinket from vault
sharp wyvern
i feel like i have nuts gear for fury tho
shadow ibex
i was offered an antenna last night
sharp wyvern
every single piece has mastery
shadow ibex
but i passed on it
when i found out yea im def playing fury on forge
it was like 2% upg for arms but, not playing arms on prog fight
shadow ibex
most ethical thing i done all expac
shadow ibex
i didnt mind passing on NM version and we didnt see heroic one
edgy solstice
if you are arms you are either benched or trolling
sharp wyvern
show myhtic
edgy solstice
something something never give up
sharp wyvern
i wasnt talking about hc
edgy solstice
I'm in a dad guild now so gl
But ya arms feels kinda bad for forge
Cranks on soul binder tho
teal fossil
theres like 3 logs for mythic
slow saddle
A true champion
edgy solstice
2nd place arms is like 2 mil dps under me. Need more believers
shadow ibex
which fight is that?
edgy solstice
H soulbinder
forest hearth
H soulbinder
That one is a menace for arms, what does your spec look like?
shadow ibex
did all other players not touch adds
forest hearth
Just m+ col spec
I'll have to run that back on sunday, I'm finally hitting the wall with slayer and need to pump more
slow saddle
but no one else doing adds
Facts🤣
edgy solstice
Idt we're doing mythic this season tho and cba to find another guild
edgy solstice
but no one else doing adds
A few. All you really need is that demo to hit
shadow ibex
i could never do that
our adds live shorter than a demo cast
even before bs fury is over
shadow ibex
yea i wasnt saying that to flame or nothing
just no way thats possible for a lot of us lol
as much as i would really love to
twin hazel
Cursed Stone Idol good to start?
shadow ibex
yea
glacial rapids
Don't you have to channel that trinket? How is that working in your rotation?
shadow ibex
its a pretty fast one
twin hazel
1 sec
glacial rapids
Pretty fast like still macro it to Avatar?
shadow ibex
someone said they did it during charge
glacial rapids
Ohh so you can be moving while it channels?
shadow ibex
new insult dropped from nexus king
that's actually lmao
shut up bitch you have a physical form
man we shoulda got ethereals
strange yacht
Is the 8% arms buff live now?
latent moss
yes
shadow ibex
putting heal debuff on nexus king makes me feel like an arms warrior for first time all expac
stable fiber
putting heal debuff on nexus king makes me feel like an arms warrior for first t...
Too bad it doesn't work now
void bay
Are you guys happy already?
Are u a real doctor
minor gust
Who's Phil that's arms troll #3
zealous flume
wait, i thought that no matter your specific gear situation arms was "completly and genuinly unplayable in every scenario and if you try you instantly explode"?
thick kelp
weak
polar portal
wait, i thought that no matter your specific gear situation arms was "completly ...
My character actually sims higher as arms
thick kelp
get 4p and check again
zealous flume
i have 4p
shadow ibex
wait, i thought that no matter your specific gear situation arms was "completly ...
were you not aware that there was an 8% aura buff?
zealous flume
or do you mean artorius
zealous flume
were you not aware that there was an 8% aura buff?
i was, but 8% is still a good chunk behind the Optimal full bis fury sim
but think its funny that people automatically thing that that must also be true for every point of the gearing curve inbetween then and there
zealous flume
wasnt it like 5.3 to 5.9?
shadow ibex
idc about a bis profile
zealous flume
and with 8% arms is "optimal gear bla bla" like 5.65 or something?
shadow ibex
i mean for ppl simming in their gear
zealous flume
yeah
shadow ibex
and logs
thick kelp
5.7 vs 5.9 now
shadow ibex
and it was far behind
zealous flume
what is it actually that makes fury scale slightly better towards the end, because it seems that mid gearing process arms keeps pace alright
thick kelp
but furys profile fits better for the raid
zealous flume
(fury damage profile much better for raid, yeah)
well, depends how overgeared you are. if you do like, nexusking post turboboost, the adds in p2 propably just fucking evaporate anyway and arms having a petter p3 damage amp burn might have the "more useful" profile in some situations
similar scenario with dimensius walls
past a certain point of gear adds tend to die sort of by existing near your raid so boss damage becomes more valuable i guesss
latent moss
ye see how u need to give yourself a reason to play arms
shadow ibex
ye see how u need to give yourself a reason to play arms
abusive relationship ahhhhh spec
latent moss
im glad arms is just weaker this season
fury plays too well
12.0 rework
gonna save arms
fossil root
Thankfully they confirmed arms rework next expansion yesterday
What?
shadow ibex
die
fossil root
Thankfully they confirmed arms rework next expansion yesterday
Where?
shadow ibex
oh lord
minor gust
shadow ibex
see what u done
azure karma
fossil root
<:clueless:1099922541923024997>
Throw yourself into the wretched abyss and get decimated you troll.
shadow ibex
lmao
latent moss
its basically confirmed 
minor gust
Throw yourself into the wretched abyss and get decimated you troll.
I mean it's confirmed why you yelling at me cuz you can't read
It's right here
river ridge
minor gust
shadow ibex
rams
fossil root
At this point we need “arms” redesign on a scale akin to rogue’s “combat” to “outlaw” transition.
minor gust
Would be cool
minor gust
Arms does really need it. Its core fantasy has been gone for awhile
Slow big hitting tactical class
hollow plover
has it, though ?
minor gust
Hasnt been that in years
hollow plover
I mean that gameplay style just isnt compatible with modern wow
icy mulch
Since Legion I'd say.
minor gust
Master of weapons
hollow plover
and current arms is very big hitter compared to other specs
already
2x EP MS crit
hits like a truck
minor gust
I mean that gameplay style just isnt compatible with modern wow
I think you can pull it off but It would need a complete rework
icy mulch
At this point, it's got too many things just duct taped to it.
minor gust
hits like a truck
So many specs hit harder so idk arms big hits are whatever
icy mulch
Tear it down and start fresh.
hollow plover
So many specs hit harder so idk arms big hits are whatever
other specs hit harder on special abilities but arms' idea was that you have consistent big hits
slow hits yea
but big hits
minor gust
Hasn't felt slow in years which imo is better but I'm more getting at arms needs a new vision
hollow plover
thats fair
minor gust
Doesn't have to go back to the idea of slow big hits
Or tactical gameplay cuz it hasn't been that in years
They can come up with something new or fresh like they did with MM and the whole outlaw/survival
Fury fits it's fantasy perfectly still I think it's only arms that I just don't feel has been there for a long time
shadow ibex
idk about stance dancing
hoary sedge
hey arms bros, is crafting a 720 weapon for arms that bad? should i just be crafting 2 720 armor pieces?
shadow ibex
but i think some kind of combo system would be good
like if you can only use X while x is on CD makes sense to me from a master of combat building up a combo
hollow plover
hey arms bros, is crafting a 720 weapon for arms that bad? should i just be craf...
are you able to comfortably expect to get a myth weapon soon?
hollow plover
if not, craft
hoary sedge
are you able to comfortably expect to get a myth weapon soon?
not really, i think it wont be in the next 2 weeks
hollow plover
like if you can only use X while x is on CD makes sense to me from a master of c...
i like how whirling dragon punch for windwalkers is enabled by the CD of other abilities
shit like this would be cool af for arms
managing big buttons
shadow ibex
i like how whirling dragon punch for windwalkers is enabled by the CD of other a...
ill link a video of black orc in ror
hoary sedge
thanks for info
hollow plover
np penis
shadow ibex
i like how whirling dragon punch for windwalkers is enabled by the CD of other a...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvJwSt_uzbM its a tank class where u have a bunch of abilities all of which are on a plan system. no plan is usable always, best plan is step 2 or combo and best plan is step 3. after bet plan ability return back to no plan
like snare is always plan 2
but so is an interrupt
so every combo is diff p much
armor debuff into snare into knock down
hollow plover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvJwSt_uzbM its a tank class where u have a bunc...
this doesnt tell me jackshit and i rly dont care cuz its a game i dont play
minor gust
stance dancing
Idk stance dancing has always been bad gameplay imo. As long as you can just macro it into abilities then no reason for it to exist
hollow plover
Idk stance dancing has always been bad gameplay imo. As long as you can just mac...
imo the stance dancing itself isnt what makes it cool
imo its how rage interacts with stance dancing
the management of your rage
that's what i like
shadow ibex
tough sell
shadow ibex
rage mattering has implications
hollow plover
i want conditional rage management
shadow ibex
yea
if rage matters the spec would be different fundamentally imo
so just asking for rework atp i think
hollow plover
like i want to generate a ton of rage but if i click x button to make y button available, i want there to be rage based consequences
such that my decision matters
minor gust
As long as we don't have empty globals I'm always down for some sort of rage management back
shadow ibex
theyve made it very difficult to starve yourself
hollow plover
its not impossible if we have a filler spell
shadow ibex
you want to press devastate?
hollow plover
yuh
shadow ibex
i think if you want rage to matter the way to go about it is making it so our windows matter
shadow ibex
so spending rage inside CS is skill expression
instead of CS is up nothing changes
except my haste
minor gust
Imo there's nothing wrong with managing rage with an off gcd ability like FR or heroic strike
hollow plover
thats fair.
shadow ibex
i think that's the only real way to have rage management + no empty globals
or at least staying away from globals like devastate
but last time any warrior spec played like that, with actual pooling and needed to dump rage in a window a part of optimal play is mop fury
and people hate mop fury
that's the last last time rage really mattered, where you very well could starve yourself and no AM meant that CS window was just fucked and ur dmg is gonna cave hard
shadow ibex
sks was hasted
soft gust
Maybe the lack of meaningful changes recently for arms just means theyre focusing on a rework 
teal fossil
ya
shadow ibex
but idk i played NF s1 sl
teal fossil
that was such simple times
teal fossil
just need to slot machine EB
fossil root
Maybe the lack of meaningful changes recently for arms just means theyre focusin...
Tip grade copium. Can you share some mon?
teal fossil
if condemn wasnt tuned like dogshit
people would love condemn
which they did in prepatch
shadow ibex
they loved it from announcement
even in s1 you still ahd people thinking it was good
open any reddit thread on wow at the time about covenents
blah blah blah they really suck but condemn is really cool
teal fossil
df prepatch
shadow ibex
condemn was probably the most popular ability in SL
shadow ibex
i think it was one of the announced ones shown at w/e blizzcon SL was revealed
teal fossil
a part of it was the fantasy
shadow ibex
they really were proud of it
minor gust
Yeah casuals heard you could use execute at the start of the fight and got super excited don't blame em
teal fossil
ended up being slam replacement
shadow ibex
yea im not saying anything wrong with that at all
shadow ibex
Yeah casuals heard you could use execute at the start of the fight and got super...
and something so cool you'd think
they would take forward in their "taking popular blah blah blahs and putting them in talent trees"
teal fossil
it was in df beta
shadow ibex
like abom limb for example
teal fossil
it just wasnt balancable
shadow ibex
or convoke
shadow ibex
it just wasnt balancable
but aug is?
teal fossil
it was called punishment
teal fossil
easier to remove a talent than a spec
rare helm
is arms cheeks rn or am i cheeks
shadow ibex
they introduced it
teal fossil
is arms cheeks rn or am i cheeks
both
rare helm
:^)
shadow ibex
i never liked condemn but it kinda flies in the face of their "we use talent trees to bring back popular stuff"
teal fossil
arms is pretty bad rn
shadow ibex
cuz idk anything more popular ever than condemn
shadow ibex
i think demolish is close
real birch
Haste or crit for soleahs? Im to stupid to sim x:
shadow ibex
it shouldnt be a separate talent
just feel like one would always be better
and the above 80% one would def eat a dmg hit for more casts i guess
teal fossil
just feel like one would always be better
condemn would def be better in a sim but massacre would be better for prog
shadow ibex
- available with lust
minor gust
they would take forward in their "taking popular blah blah blahs and putting the...
Tooooo be fairrrr they did put condemn in the talent tree in DF beta it just didn't last long
Ppl didn't like it
teal fossil
people liked it
it was just
execute had to be tuned to dogshit
with massacre+condemn existing
teal fossil
(execute ended up being dogshit anyways)
shadow ibex
i cant imagine how cursed the DF beta trees were
so i cant really fault anything for feeling like shit or ppl not liking it in those trees
they were probably awful talent trees lol
teal fossil
oh
teal fossil
Yeah remember first iteration had weapon specific talens
you know people still ask for these once in a while
like once every couple months ppl ask for "meaningful difference" between weapons to "be master of arms"
shadow ibex
i cant be offended if ppl ask for them
minor gust
They do but rarely at least
shadow ibex
i mean dude its more interesting than fucking 2/2 stat nodes
if ppl would rather have some axe or sword node over 2/2 mastery and my dps didnt change
that's fine w/ me its just flavor
teal fossil
except it was the 2/2 stat nodes
except you needed a diff weapon
well its 1/1
but ya
shadow ibex
and if its tuned to be the same and nothing changes its just flavor
i'd rather see that than execute being unsable as colossus cuz no 2/2 crit
teal fossil
well i would consider blunt instruments to be very different than sharpened blades
its like how fury powerful is supposed to be sidegrade to frenzy
but the 1% diff just makes people go to one
even if not big diff
river ridge
like once every couple months ppl ask for "meaningful difference" between weapon...
I want them to hone in on that fantasy through animations and such, but not via talents
teal fossil
i hate powerful
im just saying sidegrade doesn’t work out the way it does a lot of the time
teal fossil
I want them to hone in on that fantasy through animations and such, but not via ...
That’s an entirely different team
And you gotta make another set of animations for however many faces
Races
shadow ibex
i think they might have gave up after WB animation lol
that one did not go over well
river ridge
That’s an entirely different team
For sure. Just another way to accomplish the fantasy
river ridge
guys on a scale of it's joever to we are so back
Depends? Early CE group? Joever. Race to world last? We back.
flat willow
so a perfect place to be fully reworked in midnight
shadow ibex
arms on fract
river ridge
shadow ibex
surely
flat willow
arms is gonna be so great in midnight you guys
and it's not we can all just play void hunter or whatever
shadow ibex
just need a good class fantasy
flat willow
the problem is that the demon hunter discord kind of scares me
finite ocean
am i crazy or did arms single target get worse?
teal fossil
arms ninja nerfed
flat willow
from where
teal fossil
just for you though
finite ocean
i used to be top 3 single target in my raid last season now im barely top 10
teal fossil
ya arms is pretty bad rn
river ridge
and it's not we can all just play void hunter or whatever
If it plays remotely similar to red mage in 14 I'm down
flat willow
arms is bad
flat willow
well if you want to be top 3 in your raid, you probably should
not that fury is uber strong
but stronger than arms
fossil root
When that pic hit the stream. I got copium dose for Arms spec rework. Am I cooked chat?
shadow ibex
you know a spec is down bad
shadow ibex
when the discord is edging to just the name of it appearing in a completely unrelated sentence
flat willow
either it's an arms rework
shadow ibex
i think we might be cursed dawg
flat willow
or a ret paladin/frost dk rework
river ridge
when the discord is edging to just the name of it appearing in a completely unre...
We'd do this regardless
finite ocean
s1 sl was so bad i switched to druid
finite ocean
i quit during s1 then came back at the ass end of the expansion
quaint otter
earnest seal
So fury or arms ? Just got 4 pc
neon wigeon
Arms 😎
fresh spire
limber cove
no way we dont get omega giga buff in next 2week
flat willow
no way we dont get omega giga buff in next 2week
my theory is that they plan to completely rework arms in 12.0, so arms must not be played by anyone during 11.2
that's what they did to demonology
25% blanket nerf the patch before it got removed
if arms does good numbers in 11.2, people will cry if they rework it in 12.0 because "it was so good". It was so good actually means ( I was top damage )
that's my copium at least
smoky kayak
i used to be top 3 single target in my raid last season now im barely top 10
it didn't get nerfed, overall tuning just changed
oak quartz
if arms does good numbers in 11.2, people will cry if they rework it in 12.0 bec...
What makes you think they'll rework Warrior?
They haven't done it in the last 6-7 years, so it's more likely they'll continue like this.
teal fossil
Wages didn’t keep up with inflation
calm isle
Best enchant is Oathsworn OR Council guile? Do we just pick the one that best sims of the two, or is one ahead usually
minor gust
It's all a sim question
flat willow
What makes you think they'll rework Warrior?
They haven't done it in the last 6-...
well they reworked every other class 2 or 3 times
and 6 to 7 years is usually how long they take to fix issues, so I'm hopeful
minor gust
Yeah it took them until this expansion to actually look at shaman
flat willow
surely they aren't reworking ret paladin a 5th time in midnight
minor gust
Shaman and monk were like the most forgotten classes for a long time.
stray willow
arms giga now or still fury for m+?
minor gust
It's 8% better than last week
stray willow
thanks for your usual helpful input
minor gust
You're welcome
minor gust
Hmmmmmm
minor gust
Exactly nah id bet it gets another change or finally removed
minor gust
Id take you up on that
flat willow
dance of death, fatality, juggernaut, spiteful serenity
this entire talent tree must be purged
flat willow
how could I forget skullsplitter
shadow ibex
I still win if its only minor rework aka still dead
If rework or gone to playable you win
I think mn launches first qtr next year
Clocks ticking
minor gust
arms giga now or still fury for m+?
If you're gonna ask that type of question after only an 8% aura buff when arms M+ problem is it's absolute dog shit abysmal ST then yeah you gonna get a non serious answer. It's a fury season. But if you wanna play arms your most likely gonna be most. Competitive with the Slayer no rend build. As the aoe is relatively similar to Colossus and fury but has much much better ST than the Colossus build. But it's all worse than fury so is what it is.
halcyon valve
thick kelp
stable fiber
where's the warr on dimen
not needed
tacit sandal
hollow wave
Which is tankier, Thane Fury or Colossus Arms?
shadow ibex
Yea Thane has as much DR
Well physical I think
And then lightening strikes amp it to 8%?
Or thunder blasts like 44 different procs for Thane
hollow wave
Colossus have 10% DR for 10s after every demolish, and 5% passive DR
I don't know if they stack tho
shadow ibex
They should
stable fiber
fury has a permanent 10% dr
shadow ibex
I never consider demo tho tbh
stable fiber
and an extra 2hander
shadow ibex
But it is there if you want it
hollow wave
fury has a permanent 10% dr
Arms have permanent area of effect DR, I don't know how much, and 1% DR from 2% vers node
stable fiber
its not close fury is just tankier
hollow wave
Low CD on Die by the Sword is a thing to consider too
stable fiber
thunder blast makes you take 8% less damage (not just physical), enrage is 10% (permanent)
pearl wind
DbtS is a sweet button
stable fiber
extra 2 hander for way more stam
pearl wind
arms is cool
stable fiber
fury heals more too
slow saddle
Y
quasi torrent
ping @halcyon breach
hollow wave
How much fueled by violece is healing now that deep wounds do more damage?