#arms
spiral coral
https://tenor.com/view/swaggy-p-nick-young-cocky-missed-it-gif-14557467
How I feel like Arms has been after hearing about the 8% buff
forest hearth
Honestly it all feels better than expected, can't wait to see how it feels after the 8% buff
boreal quartz
Smash
slow saddle
https://tenor.com/view/swaggy-p-nick-young-cocky-missed-it-gif-14557467
My point is if we arent hottest garbage we get no rework🤣
flat willow
Dont worry biggest rework coming in midnight
hasty pumice
Smash
If you don't play gnome, you lost my respect (nelf is accepted for shadowmeld mech dodging)
hasty pumice
Fillipp
summer elbow
Guys can anyone tell me how was arms on legion? What was our rotation or biggest source of dmg? Thanks
flat willow
Well legion is a little vague
There was rage starved emerald nightmare arms
Or focused rage nighthold arms
Or tomb of sargeras big bladestorm arms
summer elbow
I always read that was the Best arms
I main arms on mop too and its way different
Slam hits Hard and tons of utility
We bring a banner which brings 20% cititcal damage increase to the raid group
flat willow
well very basically
the biggest changes were that tactician procs were resetting colossus smash instead of overpower
and your primary burst was battlecry which gave you 100% crit for 5 seconds
also colossus smash and warbreaker were 2 different buttons so you didn't have to sacrifice a lot of single target to be allowed to aoe
sweeping strike was a passive talent, which is way better than what we have now
summer elbow
And in legion was fury ahead from arms? Or equal
flat willow
depends on the patch
emerald nightmare and sargeras were arms
nighthold and anthorus were fury
summer elbow
How about The execute phase?
summer elbow
I saw a video from a guy in antorus fury with execute going from deep to the top of the table
Was amazing
That video made me main warrior
flat willow
which made execute increase the damage of your mortal strike by 75%
stackable 2 times
summer elbow
O love execute more than anything and the sound from arms give me dopamine
flat willow
everyone who played legion hates that video
fury infinite juggernaut stack was a nice meme
but the only boss of anthorus where that really mattered was argus
due to the mechanics of the fight
sure it felt nice on that specific fight but it made fury deal 0 damage outside of execute
the worst part about legion arms were : very raged starved in emerald nightmare ( especially if you got bad luck on legendaries )
and very rng dependent before tomb of sargeras because there would be famine times with colossus smash not resetting
they fixed that by making a talent for c smash debuff to last longer in ToS
the REALLY fun part of legion arms (for me) was actually nighthold
but everyone played fury because of gul'dan's trinket
you played focused rage and were just building giant mortal strikes on your burst window
summer elbow
So big big one hit skills?
flat willow
but maybe modern arms players wouldn't like it cuz they seem to hate spell modifiers for some reason
yeah, you saw some giant mortal strikes in legion
summer elbow
What you think about arms right now
flat willow
extra extra large
summer elbow
Yo be honest i like slayer
flat willow
I don't like arms much since bfa
summer elbow
The sound and the fact it give us execute is lovely
Still arms execute phase relevant?
candid pecan
a focused rage type spell modifier (off GCD) that works with mortal strike/cleave so that rage management will be a thing again would be great 
flat willow
the problem is that the execute phase will only be relevant right now
if rng didn't screw you over and reset your juggernaut
if you go in execute phase with 0 jugg stack it will just be mediocre
well with current tuning even with jugg it's mediocre
boreal quartz
If you don't play gnome, you lost my respect (nelf is accepted for shadowmeld me...
My war is human and my hunter is nelf 
native obsidian
When execute lights up it should be your #1 priority for both arms and fury, how have they not realized this
Execute being this precise buff management thing is not the feel it should be at all
summer elbow
Execute being this precise buff management thing is not the feel it should be at...
Thats right
candid pecan
(this has been said many many times)
halcyon valve
remove jugg, buff execute by 25%
Amen
candid pecan
and buff EP to 50-75% per stack
halcyon valve
Nah 35% is plenty tbh
candid pecan
so you dont spam execute and only execute in <35% phase like an animal 🐀
summer elbow
so you dont spam execute and only execute in <35% phase like an animal 🐀
I like that
latent hull
me2
oblique lodge
Filip plays the 2 most disgusting races in the game
I have 3 nelfs 3 dark iron dwarfs
latent hull
<:Execute:592471626533306378> <:Execute:592471626533306378> <:Execute:5924716265...
ewww why is there a mortal strike there
unkempt wren
That one rare occurrence where we musclick
flat willow
I have 3 nelfs 3 dark iron dwarfs
oblique lodge
https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645
Can't exist without shadow meld
flat willow
One day they'll do to nelf what they did to belf
flat willow
And it will give them so much money when all the nelf "fans" swap to dwarves
No, remove their racial
Ahhh the aoe silence felt so nice
summer elbow
ewww why is there a mortal strike there
You need the refresh deepwounds
flat willow
Heh, they'll probably release a new race even stronger
latent hull
You need the refresh deepwounds
ah true yea
flat willow
You will pay
latent hull
make execute apply deep wounds
latent hull
it used to
when
oblique lodge
Ahhh the aoe silence felt so nice
oblique lodge
But u do execute for it already
shadow ibex
it must have been SL where they removed exe from DW
and you had to track DW in s1 cuz you just mashed exe or smth
like rend + bloodletting now
dim basalt
Revvez making Fury look good 
slate niche
Yep ahah
olive nest
Yes you should not expect anyone to have experience or skill week 1 of patch
You should invite anyone to +10 so they can get vault
Says one of my guild healers btw
olive nest
Yes, cringe mentality otherwise
nova marsh
And is this still the case in about 4 weeks lol
viral locust
Are basic expectations for a group elitism
7m overall or uninstall
If anything my expectations went up, one button rotation you have zero excuse for damage now and paying attention to mechanics spamming 111111111
vivid jasper
that 8% thou
plain latch
8% to 0 dmg is 0 dmg
vivid jasper
🙃
summer elbow
8% to 0 dmg is 0 dmg
We will see tomorrow
glacial rapids
8% to 0 dmg is 0 dmg
plain latch
i'll never stop dooming 
surreal depot
Had a late start to the season, but did some mythics yesterday and thought "Arms isn't so bad after all!"
Stepped into raid...
summer elbow
Had a late start to the season, but did some mythics yesterday and thought "Arms...
I could see any of your overalls?
icy mulch
halcyon valve
So true bestie
shadow ibex
add another 5
shadow ibex
another 5
olive nest
I’ll settle for 40% aura buff
halcyon valve
Honestly fuck it 15% mortal strike buff
olive nest
+20% mortal strike
+20% execute
teal fossil
it must have been SL where they removed exe from DW
ya
this
its to make execute "more dynamic"
granite coral
Perma lust on arms wars
meager vector
Execute is part of the class fantasy. Make it hit hard and let me slam it
granite coral
Execute should function like touch of death on every cast
meager vector
Also, while I'm being an old man telling at clouds, I get why Ravager exists and it's a good ability but damn I want my guy to do a little spin with an empty brain
shadow ibex
Ider talent trees in sl
rare kite
yea shut down the channel
fringe moon
Sad day to see Revvez on the bench 
shadow ibex
Been that way most of the race
The bosses that have taken the most time haven't had war
rare kite
only fractilus coz pure st with no damage amp
shadow ibex
remove heal debuff from all other classes but arms
maybe see one on nexus
+another 5%
summer elbow
I Just ask two things.. Let me spin and big execute. Thats it
dire hinge
Ravager should do what I do
Dancing Rune Weapon, but instead of magic, the sword just does that because it respects us as a colleague
nova marsh
Dancing Rune Weapon, but instead of magic, the sword just does that because it r...
How would a sword even dance hroth
shadow ibex
Idk maybe hes some sort of master of the blade
icy mulch
shadow ibex
A blademaster you might say
dire hinge
How would a sword even dance hroth
shadow ibex
nova marsh
LOL
rare kite
How would a sword even dance hroth
just bounces up and down
dire hinge
i've heard them sing as they slice through the air, dancing is just the next step in the art form
shadow ibex
We got so many sentient swords in shadowlands
And it wasn't even death knight stuff
It was just cool
Jaithys and remoria
dire hinge
knaifus 
shadow ibex
we used to have weapons that spoke to us
now just cantrip
the desecrated gorehowl even sent u whispers with voice lines
still works if you xmog it
icy mulch
I liked Remoria, she was certainly one of those so crazy ya wanna fix her types.
Jaithy was the sword equivalent of Eeyore.
Or whichever 90s emo band you want to pick.
void bay
Or whichever 90s emo band you want to pick.
Spicegirls
ebon herald
Arms got a buff we’re so back right?
olive nest
Keep dreaming pal
ebon herald
spring rune
Might beat the augvokers now
fossil root
Remornia - high tide surfing.
Jobber renethal not invited.
daring heron
thick kelp
olive nest
hasty vault
vast helm
daring heron
hasty vault
rare kite
<a:blizard:1405580521278406697>
daring heron
rude
flat willow
Guys what are the chances the buff will bring arms from dead last to dead last
flat willow
But its a good thing, the numbers must be low or else some of you will complain about the 12.0 rework (trust)
Like how some people pretend they liked bfa arms because it did big damage
olive nest
hasty vault
rare kite
But its a good thing, the numbers must be low or else some of you will complain ...
it could be the most objectively well designed spec in the game and some people will complain
latent moss
Like how some people pretend they liked bfa arms because it did big damage
i hate when people say this shit
oh bfa arms was good!
cause 300000000000% haste and tom
!
and deep wounds was all my damage!
(its cause u were top dmg everywhere)
minor gust
dire hinge
i dont miss having to PVP to get my BiS neck power
mortal rivet
olive nest
daring heron
8% buff will definitely save it
maybe hit that 8% button a few more times blizzard
olive nest
mystic forum
are we still bottom dps after 8%?
dire hinge
it goes into affect on tuesday iirc
or was it a hotfix? idk
(im mostly afk this week, sorry)
mystic forum
right, but will we be bottom still
dire hinge
yeah Aug 20th is when the 8% goes into effect (sorry had to check).
we should be a bit closer to the middle, but it'll be below center still, which is perfectly fine
slow saddle
In a range dominated raid
hasty vault
minor gust
doing a 13 HOA with the boys and we pugged a tank and the tank immediatly whispered the group lead are you sure you want a warrior in the group
gaunt owl
olive nest
icy mulch
scarlet folio
At the end of the day it doesn't matter if arms is good or bad, the only important thing is being better than ret.
fresh spire
olive nest
pearl wind
finite wasp
At the end of the day it doesn't matter if arms is good or bad, the only importa...
That was exactly my thought before the season as long as we do more dps than ret then the balance is fine
olive nest
I got bad news for you
Ret did just shy of 10m overall in a 12 HoA with me over the weekend
finite wasp
Ret did just shy of 10m overall in a 12 HoA with me over the weekend
Welp we’ll see as the season progresses
nova marsh
doing a 13 HOA with the boys and we pugged a tank and the tank immediatly whispe...
Outdps him
Show him whoose boss
minor gust
oh he immediatly fucked up and pulled way to much on 2nd pull and we didnt have the kicks
and he left after we wiped
nova marsh
LOL
minor gust
it was great not even mad
nova marsh
Thats cooked
dreamy spire
https://tenor.com/view/swifty-bad-news-wo-w-warcraft-reallybadnews-gif-20257015
Cata was so great
scarlet folio
That was exactly my thought before the season as long as we do more dps than ret...
The pink line on the logs is just like the pink ribbons in October, it's there to make us aware of the cancer.
devout pewter
So, how is warlock or mage feeling these days?
flat willow
the warlocks are crying over their nerf
but I think they'll be fine
sorry I just love linking logs where arms is dead last
spring rune
and below augvoker
potent parcel
hi how will arms compare after 8% buff? will it atleast be worth playing compared to fury?
potent parcel
still that bad damn
astral yarrow
ST sim kinda similar to fury, still god awful to play
shadow ibex
maybe some hope while server is down but doubt until race is over
scarlet folio
Don't worry after rwf blizzard will buff slam by 5% and consider us fixed.
latent moss
potent parcel
thats gotta be a joke right?
inland granite
How the heck the execute build of Protection is more satisfying than the one of Arms.
river ridge
No modifers + an actual consequence if you fuck up your rage economy.
potent parcel
question when you are simming on raidbots are does it take into account low health for execute?
latent moss
yes
pearl wind
playing arms got me feeling like a stateless refugee
spring rune
Should be fun to get some parses with the low amount of folks playing it 🙂
potent parcel
idk i think its pretty fun, but then again im just trying it for the first time
almost anything is fun when its new
pearl wind
the 8% buff is basically an airdropped crate of famine rations 😂
arms is very fun i'm hooked and playing it regardless
potent parcel
yea, it feels good to know its a little better
minor gust
two too many
0 mythic arms parses till we get double digit buffs
shut down the discord too
sturdy hearth
my bad...
hexed snow
solemn finch
any good news coming arm's way?
potent parcel
wat setting do we use to sim for aoe in a mythic+ setting?
shadow ibex
5-8 target
potent parcel
patchwerk?
astral yarrow
always sim patchwerk
serene canyon
lets go 8% to bring it up to aug numbers 😎
astral yarrow
dslice is often pretty hard to make reflect a real scenario and incorporating it into the APL is a drag that only Deswind has a fetish for
potent parcel
Ok thanks guys
idle bridge
Are we upgrading our crafted weapons or is that not a thing yet?
flat willow
if no weapon in the weekly vault, craft weapon
idle bridge
thanks
sturdy hearth
wait what, colossus cant be parried but warbreaker can??
shadow ibex
yes
vast helm
WE GOOD?
astral yarrow
astral yarrow
make sure to not mention that there is 1 (one singular) arms parse
data says what you make it say
torn goblet
So what you're saying is the arms wheelchair has fire painted on it?
astral yarrow
olive nest
last hope
Respect arms brother.. I already gave up hope..
They literally allow us to be below aug
It’s dead man
pseudo crow
Blizzard’s idea of balance: remove everything that makes Arms fun and hope we don’t notice.
vast helm
halcyon valve
Thoughtful arms changes when
Give us patchnotes with 20 paragraphs of developers notes
Just to feel something
flat willow
make sure to not mention that there is 1 (one singular) arms parse <:okayge:9176...
what he linked is actually the 95% heroic parses overall
as you can see
orchid pulsar
I moved to fury and arms feels better in multi target I don't know why
frosty pike
Give us patchnotes with 20 paragraphs of developers notes
Just to feel something
every line would follow with "we are adjusting the numbers of X ability because of the damage output of prot"
flat willow
so not 1 parse tomfoolery, just arms being the worst spec by quite a large margin
azure karma
i stay fury until Arms gets additional 5% - i already have put time into fury to make it work for me.
I dont switch back to make me weaker
orchid pulsar
Arms feels best in mythic+ and fury in raid
pseudo crow
Thoughtful arms changes when
You do know that they gave Arms to the worst intern they have, right? I think you’re dreaming, buddy. Wake up.
plain latch
arms dev wasnt raiding the fridge thts for sure
halcyon valve
Put a max viewer in charge of arms for the yapping
flat willow
You do know that they gave Arms to the worst intern they have, right? I think yo...
I wish we had an intern on the spec
halcyon valve
You do know that they gave Arms to the worst intern they have, right? I think yo...
I think they gave arms to the raccoon in the dumpster behind the building
flat willow
there's no one working on arms, buddy
frosty pike
i used to think blizzard would be best just hiring the class leaders of each of the discords. i stopped thinking that after getting a glimpse at the paladin disc
latent moss
theres no one working on warrior
orchid pulsar
frosty pike
that said archi is still based
orchid pulsar
Fix it
latent moss
they have like 4 people doing everything
pseudo crow
Arms is basically the new Survival Hunter, a permanent meme
like if u play the spec, u are literally trolling
flat willow
don't insult survival by comparing it to arms
survival is a niche thing sure but at least they are trying to do something
latent moss
fury has been fast gameplay haste aoe = cleave st etc for ages
arms switches up every expac
halcyon valve
i used to think blizzard would be best just hiring the class leaders of each of ...
Arms community stays winning
Despite everything
frosty pike
yeah theres a few outliers but its a pretty fun place to be
i'm gonna keep playing arms cause i still see my character as a chad classic warrior with 3 healers
pseudo crow
arms has a serious lack of identity
Every time I hear the word ‘Skullsplitter,’ I automatically reroll for that patch
latent moss
play no rend slayer
pseudo crow
or spear for that matter
latent moss
its basically worse slayer fury
latent moss
ye true
frosty pike
i love no bleed slayer rn
latent moss
its funny how slayer fury is peak
frosty pike
stay spinning AND winning
latent moss
and slayer arms makes me vomit
pseudo crow
Arms is a clunky cluster fuck and its animation is even fucking worse
frosty pike
basically what im saying is if you spec ravager you may as well shop amazon for your bedroom chair
pseudo crow
i mean look what they did to my guy warbreaker animation
fucking butchered that shit
pseudo crow
basically what im saying is if you spec ravager you may as well shop amazon for ...
better yet, just buy a rope and chair and call it a day
frosty pike
slayer arms is pretty close to what i want from my warrior, just cleave and OP spam
i will however also accept a bleed heavy build like we had in early BFA, but theyre so afraid of making rend/DW do more than 8% damage
potent parcel
holy shit, collosus single target seems dookie
frosty pike
which part
flat willow
holy shit, collosus single target seems dookie
lets imagine you are playing the spec with the worst single target in the game
then you pick the heroic spec that has less single target
potent parcel
i mean i know but still lol
flat willow
then you pick talents to be allowed to aoe, which lowers your single target even more
and now you are in a solid tank level of damage
pseudo crow
which part
I’m tired of bleeds. I want fat crits with my massive Mortal Strike and an ascending Execute phase where every hit actually chips away at the boss by 1%.
Fuck bleeds, let me hit hard
olive nest
12.0 waiting room
Literally
frosty pike
i like both is all
hot current
is 2k enough for m+ 6 or i am just the warrior thing, being declined to every single one for 45 mins
frosty pike
i mean pugging in general as DPS is gonna be miserable
frosty pike
make friends, do your own keys, or be a prot warrior
latent moss
is 2k enough for m+ 6 or i am just the warrior thing, being declined to every si...
pug ur own
get to 10s and just invite people who already timed it
preferably high end raiders filling their vault on splits
potent parcel
cries in arms
minor gust
https://i.gyazo.com/a59f455706d9734780fb98b4fe56f3b4.gif
Paladin missle inbound
pseudo crow
i mean pugging in general as DPS is gonna be miserable
got to 3.5k on my boomie last patch. Lets just say im never pugging that high again
not worth the wait in lfg
frosty pike
i wish there was a more fleshed out reward path with M+
astral yarrow
Paladin missle inbound
chuchuuuuu
frosty pike
for how popular of a game mode it is it is pretty sparse of things between 3k and title range lol
especially with how inflated it is now
even grinding all portals was kinda fun now you have it by day 3
latent moss
for how popular of a game mode it is it is pretty sparse of things between 3k an...
its a for fun mode
idc about rewards i do keys cause its fun doing damage
frosty pike
we can have both
just throw in some extra cosmetics, sets, etc
maybe 3500 gets you an elite mog like pvp gets
frosty pike
the fact that pvp gets its own elite recolor and mogs when its a game mode that like 2% of the population even bother with is silly
gimme their set and weapon illusion so i dont have to spend an afternoon queueing solo shuffle at the end of a season
pearl wind
is 2k enough for m+ 6 or i am just the warrior thing, being declined to every si...
apply as fury
switch to arms
and then crank on em
frosty pike
tbh when i get that 8% and a nice vault wep (guaranteed) im gonna be cranking my mythies
minor gust
tbh when i get that 8% and a nice vault wep (guaranteed) im gonna be cranking my...
yeah John Blizzard already told me im getting a wep in vault
so im good
frosty pike
same same
minor gust
ye that 8% will help a lot
yeah ill start doing some no rend slayer keys whenever I get streets
next week
minor gust
ik
im having to much fun on fury its so joever
for arms
mtn thane clappa and slayer spinnin
latent moss
esp if u go bit offscript from top aoe apl for more prio and st
frosty pike
i like slayer arms cause its like 2 buttons
minor gust
its to good
olive nest
Clapper fury is peak right now
frosty pike
i have 0 mastery or i'd try it 
olive nest
Hell yeah it does
Gotta play with the ai a little more to try to get more HD but it’s fighting me and won’t do it lol
olive nest
I just googled a free one, dall-efree
latent moss
ty
olive nest
First two are free with no water mark
latent moss
chatgpt did a very bad job when i asked to change some colors xd
frosty pike
god damn clankers
minor gust
Hell yeah it does
imagine if we had this Icon ingame. Whenever u got 2 EP stacks MS turns red
frosty pike
honestly i dont need to give blizzard more reasons to monetize me but i'd love a POE-style system where we can alter spell effects in the UI
something between glyphs and warlock green fire
olive nest
Cone it’s actually “dall-efree”
olive nest
imagine if we had this Icon ingame. Whenever u got 2 EP stacks MS turns red
Bro that would go so hard ngl!
MS fuks
Make it 50% of the break down send it lmao
olive nest
chatgpt did a very bad job when i asked to change some colors xd
For reference the only text I told it was
“Replace the blue colors with red colors”
I guess it was smart enough to maintain the light/dark concept
latent moss
ye
pearl wind
just make sure there is no pwar or brew in the group
dude i had to sweat so hard as arms last night just to beat this cracked prot war. he was #2 dps overall and i barely beat him
he had 20 ilvl and tier set on me but damn
his executes hit as hard as mine as slayer
ionic cradle
hey guys, how should i use the unyielding netherstorm trinket for arms? on cooldown or wait until i get max stacks
rare kite
hey guys, how should i use the unyielding netherstorm trinket for arms? on coold...
prob just every cs/wb
ionic cradle
hmm yeah that makes sense
shadow ibex
might can hold for dmg amps in this raid
summer elbow
are we ready for tomorrow guys?
grave mulch
you watch all the people who dropped arms gonna float back like traitors
sacred zodiac
you watch all the people who dropped arms gonna float back like traitors
no one is returning to arms bud
shadow ibex
yea fury is still better lol
grave mulch
110% people will
sacred zodiac
who
pearl wind
im maining arms fuck the haters
void bay
you watch all the people who dropped arms gonna float back like traitors
Like floating turds
glacial rapids
im maining arms fuck the haters
pearl wind
how it feels ^
sage badge
Halls+10... on my 658 fdk. This is fine.
rare kite
you watch all the people who dropped arms gonna float back like traitors
idk about that one mate. after a rework sure
shadow ibex
rework announced tomorrow with midnight ofc
tacit crystal
Halls+10... on my 658 fdk. This is fine.
deswind owns
cyan oriole
i might as well not press my buttons
lapis crystal
i might as well not press my buttons
You can do better yes
i already hit 5m overall +10 key and actually idk how to do much more except the 4 set tier or my positionnement to full cleave everytarget
lapis crystal
im maining arms fuck the haters
+1
nova marsh
huge arms sim
U play void elf?
glacial rapids
Kek
shadow ibex
U play void elf?
shadow ibex
yea tp is nice
glacial rapids
I'll take the transmog troubles of a chadly Dwarf rather than lose stoneform.
nova marsh
Kul tiran for xmog
glacial rapids
Been thinking of switching to NELF though
nova marsh
Been thinking of switching to NELF though
Shadow meld is nice but I hate their animations
(And also all of the male nelf faces)
sage badge
Kul tiran for xmog
KT is bis.
shadow ibex
with 8% my fury and arms will be p much equal
nova marsh
KT is bis.
fellow kul tiran enioyer?
sage badge
Yeah
shadow ibex
i dont like how fat races warp plate is all
i was male panda way back in mop x2 food racial was amazing too
but plate belts just wtf
i do hope they add ethereal or something new in midnight
i think earthen fell super flat. never seen one in a key or had one on raid team
void bay
i think earthen fell super flat. never seen one in a key or had one on raid team
Thats because they are just re-skins, like high mountain tauren and whatever the hell else
Panda was an entire new race with new skeletal system and animations etc
shadow ibex
i think if it was a reskin of something cool you would
just a tall dwarf tho, and even then the customization is just not great
void bay
isnt that what kultirans were? Human skins on panda models, hence the beer gut etc? And zandalari trolls are just trolls they had an intern spend the afternoon going through the rigging and making them up right?
shadow ibex
nah KT is a new model
void bay
Oh ok
shadow ibex
male zanda are similar to NE but i think ppl only think its same cuz their height. fem zanda def their own
i think only ones the same are ve BE, the tauren and dwarves
void bay
maybe im just cynical and expect blizzard to ring out whatever they can from assets, and it just gets worse with the cosmetcs stuff and trying to make you login for your tender and so on
and remix
shadow ibex
and orcs and gnomes
void bay
they really dont want you to cancel your sub, which is what I always do when raid is done and I cant get anymore gear cos im not doing mythic raiding
shadow ibex
i dont really worry about cosmetics since there is a store
and there's unique models ill never get cuz i just wont buy them
whatever has the flashiest effects is good enough
balmy kindle
you watch all the people who dropped arms gonna float back like traitors
I can use some company nobody plays 
void bay
I can use some company <:sadge:820202363359854633> nobody plays <:Arms:592471950...
why do you have ads
snow flame
balmy kindle
my arms sim is huge 4.3mil
Big until you compare to other specs , but Imma take the 8%
glacial rapids
Are rogues difficult to play? Or is it just a high apm class?
void bay
Are rogues difficult to play? Or is it just a high apm class?
Last time I tried, Outlaw was the highest APM spec I played in wow to the point I had to take a break after 15mins. Assass felt pretty chill. Sub "rotation" just looked too weird to me.
glacial rapids
Just wondering why the class is among the lowest played.
wary bay
glacial rapids
Last time I tried, Outlaw was the highest APM spec I played in wow to the point ...
I don't think I want to play a class where my hands need a break lol.
void bay
Im kinda old and already have rsi (I have to use a MS natural keyboard), so im way more susceptible to it. Give it a go, you might like it.
stoic ocean
dire hinge
correct
north forge
close your eyes and imagine...
Arms warriors being middle of the pack in damage done until the boss hits 35%hp and then you just see the brown man start to climb, slapping the fuck out of the bosses testicles with 10mil+ executes and 20mil+ Mortal strikes back to back to back. Add phase? no worries, Bladestorm got made great again and does giga turbo damage like the good old days and you melted them before the warlocks could get their dots up, and would you look at that, its already off cooldown again.
shadow ibex
balmy kindle
close your eyes and imagine...
Arms warriors being middle of the pack in damage ...
And then you woke up
green tree
Do we shut the discord down now so we get buffed lol
balmy kindle
I am pretty sure there's more after 8% , but the 8% will give us some ability to compete at least 
shadow ibex
is this our fate
i'd rather be bad
than be bad and every day LE SHUT DOWN DISCORD
lament fern
should we just plan to swap to fury or like just stay and keep gearing arms
i just dont want to switch and then suddenly arms is viable again due to crafting shennangins
balmy kindle
Just play what ya like, unless you are progging m raid it doesn't really matter
Obviously pugging m+ will be a problem though, but imo arms isnt too bad in m+
fossil thistle
balmy kindle
Nice
lament fern
Just play what ya like, unless you are progging m raid it doesn't really matter
...
yeah im doing mythic prog in raid competition against two fury warriors...still outperforming so far tho lol
https://raider.io/characters/us/darrowmere/Ailinaa
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/darrowmere/ailinaa
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/darrowmere/ailinaa/
My stats.
I was told in fury chat to craft weapon regardless of vault coming up, I think for embellishments? and to swap back and forth but also like eugh
in an effort to stay ahead and be priority I think going fury is the obvious choice x.x just sucks because I have been playing arms forever. I mean my split alt is fury and im about the same skill level with it or w/e
spring rune
how far down you are on your Soul Hunters with an 83 hurts my heart. Literal grey parse above your dmg
lament fern
how far down you are on your Soul Hunters with an 83 hurts my heart. Literal gre...
right LOL
and the tanks kept messing up the boss position so uptime was lower than it shouldve been
and no 4 set
until fater
after
lament fern
was he asleep?
proud heath
Is it worth crafting a wep tomorrow?
unkempt wren
Nobody gunma question the sin rogue on those details? XD
fossil root
And yet craftable 2h is bis if you so not have Myth access
balmy kindle
Nobody gunma question the sin rogue on those details? XD
Normie rogue player being bad is expected
marsh sail
For all we know the rogue is 620 ilvl
rare kite
Nobody gunma question the sin rogue on those details? XD
i don't think anyone questions anyone when all those numbers are so low. it's a m0
balmy kindle
That too, m0 things die too fast
marsh sail
It's a 0 maybe they're just one button rotation vibe gamers
unkempt wren
I only added because they were talking on the sham 😆 not actually wanting to pick on em
Just finished up way too long of a jaunt in hardmode tazavesh with friends. We were not prepared (or very smart)
Have people actually got close to no death yet?
balmy kindle
Jeez hard mode on week 1
unkempt wren
We.figured we had nothing to lose on a Monday night. We didn't think about our sanity. 5/7 killed
balmy kindle
Streets is barely doable even on 8-10s
It was a little better after the hotfixes but still pretty bad
unkempt wren
1st boss was honestly the hardest if the 5
balmy kindle
Bosses aside, dungeon is filled with insanely strong thrash as well
unkempt wren
We got very cheesey. Meld/feign death can't negate the interrogation but bladestorm does lol
balmy kindle
Add mandatory RP and gimmick mechanics and boy you have a really bad dungeon
unkempt wren
Interrogation while the miniboss is up is almost a death sentence
Beam rng is harsh
balmy kindle
Likely nerfed soon along with halls
unkempt wren
We finally got it when I ended up with all 3 interrogation before miniboss died
After that was a breeze
1shot the music boss, 3 wipes on mailroom to stupidity, 4 or 5 on beasts. Salami was cake, but losts of braindead on rune boss as we got tired
Last start for us all xD. We didn't even want to brainpower hooktail
Late not last lol
balmy kindle
Well not looking forward to running more streets for sure
My tank shares the same sentiment
unkempt wren
Haven't gone to look at the latest nerfs yet
My tank is a nutcase, he enjoys it
But he played BrM last 2 seasons. So that explains it already
vast helm
nova marsh
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1404607648367775854/88...
Legs are stronger anyways
boreal quartz
Magus or Ele
dire hinge
Definitely feel low DPS, but got my tens done using hotel WiFi 
near ice
molten marsh
we need double digit buffs or this channel closed
void bay
you tell them david
slow saddle
another 2%
would be nice
and all of those %
should 100% come from buffing mortal strike baseline
so Coll gets closer to slaya
balmy kindle
Colo not having more buffs to MS is blasphemous
sturdy hearth
I wish executionner/overpower stacks could also increases MS crit chance and overcapping crit chance becomes crit damage
misty bridge
Definitely feel low DPS, but got my tens done using hotel WiFi <:chefkiss:675091...
Have been doing the same on a steamdeck
fossil root
Arms - new mastery - while in combat your damage gradually decreases, if you reach 0 damage a buff activates “tis but a scratch” removing one random equipped item from combat then damage returns and starts to decrease again, repeat
wicked oak
We need to find again the glad spec !
coral mesa
What's the damage loss if I don't take SKS for Colossus?
untold trench
Arms - new mastery - while in combat your damage gradually decreases, if you re...
A fatigue mechanic could be an interesting new thing for a WoW class. Would be instead of rage in this case
still fox
have actually slayer in m+ a chance or colo overall ever better?
fossil root
A fatigue mechanic could be an interesting new thing for a WoW class. Would be i...
New mechanic - ANXIETY
balmy kindle
have actually slayer in m+ a chance or colo overall ever better?
If you are in a fixed group and playing arms, probably better to swap accordingly to groups dmg profile and dungeon.
In my group I tend to play slayer on ara DB and streets , where prior damage matters more
On big pulls Colo is ahead, but your ST is dogshite in return
pearl wind
im playing slayer and having a time
untold talon
Guys % should i have as secondary stats ?
like 40% crit 35% haste and how much vers and mast ?
astral yarrow
you just sim your shit or equip highest ilvl. Fury wants basically all stats
haste/mast is an easy rule of thumb if you dont care enough
daring heron
oblique lodge
halcyon valve
fresh spire
astral yarrow
i need nitro again main
tacit crystal
gm critcake
daring heron
gm armstrollnumberfiftyseven
fresh spire
🧌
tacit crystal
ive been getting the itch to play warrior more and more
still fox
If you are in a fixed group and playing arms, probably better to swap accordingl...
ok sounds good, have you ah finish talent tree for the slayer`?
olive nest
near radish
Are arms buffs live or on reset?
untold pewter
On reset
near radish
What are people’s plans if they just play whichever spec is highest dps for raid. Craft 2h, sim and pick?
weak rain
looking at arms performance first week while their set from undermine is still intact
idk if 8% will be enough sir
azure karma
I stay fury until Amrs ST is at least equal to fury in raid. And i craft weapon tomorrow if there is none in weekly chest
weak rain
looking at arms cleave/aoe, arms should be ahead of fury on pure st, change my mind
median maple
but is not xD
slow saddle
looking at arms cleave/aoe, arms should be ahead of fury on pure st, change my m...
Thats how it used to be
weak rain
it ll be roughly 200k behind(3-4% behind) after reset on 5 min sim
median maple
on single target cant stack so fast to derase demolish cd
balmy kindle
ok sounds good, have you ah finish talent tree for the slayer`?
Search for the no rend build,.basically have a choice between going jug or battelord
olive nest
quick badge
Can I play arms this week without feeling like I'm inting 
fossil root
Do you think we will get new gero specs or extension of current trio?
glacial rapids
It's so confusing to me why any dps spec would be so low on the totem pole. Shouldn't almost every spec be about the same and in the end it's about flavor of choice rather than flavor of the month?
slow saddle
Haja
icy mulch
I wouldn't be this annoyed if one of our dps choices was good.
Neither seem to be having much fun though.
void bay
Noone plays wow for fun. It's addiction and to shit on others on dps because we get yelled at for 12hrs at the fast food place we work
latent moss
Do you think we will get new gero specs or extension of current trio?
prolly extensions/reworks
is my guess
slow saddle
I wouldn't be this annoyed if one of our dps choices was good.
Furys pretty good?
icy mulch
Not if you look at raid results
fossil root
… no spellbreaker subspec for magic mitigation
fossil root
Not if you look at raid results
Arms is in the same spot but it does not mean they perform so bad they are unplayable.
Both are good enough for HC Manaforge.
icy mulch
Why are you promoting being absolute bottom of the barrel? By a decent chunk.
mortal niche
like saying you can walk 100miles, doable sure , but it'l suck
viscid grail
I think it gives us a free pass to chirp anyone below us on logs
slow saddle
Not if you look at raid results
I mean ill have an opinion once next week
Where we get weap
icy mulch
When I watch Rogues burst for 10 mil on two targets while best I get is 5-6 is a tad annoying.
mortal niche
with 14gcds
oblique lodge
Not if you look at raid results
fury is actually really good in raid
mortal niche
fury is actually really good in raid
I fell asleep during raid twice
icy mulch
This is the result of first couple days in the raid.
https://www.wowhead.com/news/warlocks-at-the-top-dps-rankings-special-edition-for-the-first-days-of-manaforge-378157
oblique lodge
I fell asleep during raid twice
get a coffee
oblique lodge
bind execute on scroll wheel up
frosty pike
i want to be a super slaiyan
slow saddle
1st couple of days skewed
covert granite
even more execute procs
execute procs off gcd
weak rain
Toggleable bladestorm, every second tick casts execute, every 6th tick casts mortal strike instead of execute
bright basin
fresh spire
Personal feeling is the 8% is no where near enough to save arms in raid
teal fossil
Def need a bit more
teal fossil
Personal feeling is the 8% is no where near enough to save arms in raid
The thing about buffs is that you have to pretty much overshoot a buff to make it worth looking at
real spade
Anyone else wait for you guys to start posting vault 2 handers to know if servers are up?
charred brook
i wont lie arms has me tempted for raid
especially because arms slayer execute destroys fury slayer
thick kelp
I wouldnt say destroys
strange yacht
latent moss
Personal feeling is the 8% is no where near enough to save arms in raid
personal feeling that ur personal feeling is correct
wicked oak
Anyone else wait for you guys to start posting vault 2 handers to know if server...
Yep...
otherwise I should pass fury...
shadow ibex
Too my St loss for aoe.
Still an issue in 2025 is wild
forest hearth
arms is feeling fine through what I've expereinced in heroic, and M+ has been okay in lower keys. I'm a little miffed that the popular builds lose rally for the utility but it is what it is
thick kelp
its a protest
shadow ibex
You're playing with very bad or lower geared players in heroic
thick kelp
to buff rally in 5mans
shadow ibex
Tbh
dim basalt
its a protest
vxTwitter / fixvx
shadow ibex
If anyone losing to you they gotta have like 10 ilvl less or just not pressing button
And yea fuck rally
fresh spire
https://vxtwitter.com/maddl29/status/1957728290593972492
@smoky kayak
The other utility is worth so much more than roar
#thane moment
dim basalt
Theres just no way any healer believes that rally does anything
shadow ibex
It could save a 1 shot but I haven't felt that in any key yet
shadow ibex
Not one that was avoidable
dim basalt
shadow ibex
Like yea rally let's me survive rotten food on band boss if its in my guitar path
dim basalt
Meanwhile rsham has rally built into their kit
fresh spire
Bros playing a different game
shadow ibex
Rally used to be OP in pvp
With master and commander it had 1 min cd
15 sec duration
30% health or 20
So 1/4th uptime
Just insane
dim basalt
Honestly 20% in 5 man is all it needs
dim basalt
20% last second "heal" for the entire group is nice
smoky kayak
The other utility is worth so much more than roar
maybe, tbf Roar + capstones actually does good M+ dam (even if the dam per point isn't efficient)
but I think the difference is that Roar's value is easily measured, whereas Rally's is very much not
half the time you use Rally, you end up asking yourself whether it actaully made any difference or whether it just made you feel better
smoky kayak
raid is a diff context, because Rally is actually very decent when layered on top of other CDs
and in a raid group, you have many more players with which to layer them
dim basalt
Still does feel kinda awkward when theres stuff like amz
But I guess the comparison is kinda unfair
smoky kayak
I don't disagree, but there's a much higher likelihood in raid of layering Rally on top of PW:S or something, which multiplies its value
also incoming damage timing in raids tend to be much more predicatable than in M+ (unless you're pushing with a very coordinated group, in which case this entire conversation doesn't really apply)
- in raid it's all preemptive - you know that you're going to want to use Rally at 1m, 4:15, and 6:55 before you start
- in a M+, at least a general kind of key for a non-coordinated push group, you're reacting to pull cadence, how fast you clear, and who makes what mistakes
but the real fact of the matter is just that an unsupported Rally, by itself, has a very low likelihood of changing whether or not anyone survives incoming damage. M+ mechanics at relevant (talking 8-12 range that most people are currently doing this week) tends to overkill by a lot more than 10%
shadow ibex
It could be a nature vigil or whatever effect
But idk how many more we need of those
Or just 20% hp
calm isle
half the time you use Rally, you end up asking yourself whether it actaully made...
This is the most accurate thing i've ever heard about M+ rally.
smoky kayak
yeah I get one right every once in awhile 🙃
and fwiw, the guides all say that you can pick Rally if you just decide you want it - there's nothing wrong with taking it; I just value other talents more atm
cerulean scroll
5% ms> rally in keys
slate rain
This is the result of first couple days in the raid.
https://www.wowhead.com/new...
Wtf was there no PTR how did blizz mess Arms up that bad...
fresh spire
Moment you actually do meta pushing keys deaths aren't 10% overkills. You get flat out murdered
void bay
M+ is more like this to me, with the "kick!, crowd control!, dodge!" whilst you are also trying to do decent dps and not stand in fire, and do whatever mechanics
shadow ibex
Stop shit from healing
slate rain
I guess they have been kinda phoning it in since Legion
smoky kayak
good example - you could drop Fast Footwork for Rally and not miss it
you can even make a similar argument of whether you really feel +5% movement speed, though I'd argue that moving faster (in an environment in which you're constantly moving) is more relevant than an ability you press once every 3m at most
although that also only applies to Slayer; if you're playing Thane, the choice of what to drop becomes much harder, since it's more pressed for points
cerulean scroll
5%ms saves more life than rally
smoky kayak
the only really good option to drop for Thane is Crackling Thunder (a surprisingly strong damage talent) or Rumbling Earth, and I would argue that a lower CD on Shockwave is generally more conductive to survivability than Rally
cerulean scroll
And nets more through put
fresh spire
5%ms saves more life than rally
Real
Feel like there is alot of circle stand in shit mechanics this season
Last boss hoa before nerf without leap is hella tight
smoky kayak
Thane actually can't even drop Bounding with the current setup, without taking another T1 talent
forest hearth
- in raid it's all preemptive - you know that you're going to want to use Rally ...
These are both the scenarios I've found that rally shines. It's a good additional gap filler for raid to help push through high damage phases and in a fully coordinated M+ group where someone eats a stun or mechanic they didn't expect and you can add a 20% health buffer.
As utility it seems to scale in use with coordination and communication (to a hard cap degree)
smoky kayak
These are both the scenarios I've found that rally shines. It's a good additiona...
in a coordinated group, I agree - I absolutely think that Rally has more viability when players are all tracking each other's health, CDs, timing, and calling things out in real time
charred brook
i just use rally mostly to help my healer out when he doesnt have cds for a big damage phase
smoky kayak
but if you're in a coordinated group, you're very likely to have already had this conversation with your group - there isn't really a scenario in which you just invite someone without knowing what they're using or when they're potentially going to use it
charred brook
like we used it often on candle king at like the ~20 range or swampface
he would ascend 1, tide the next, then link the next, then he would have no cds for one so we would rally and defensive
Its not great, but its good enough to help a little
smoky kayak
I mean that would fall under "coordinated group"
cerulean scroll
Maybe if every thing is super time number wise when again what is warr doing in those keys
charred brook
i guess thats fair
smoky kayak
we're not talking about coordinated groups though
charred brook
It forced me to look at healer cds more for sure though
icy mulch
The problem with our utility is it's stuns which everyone already has.
smoky kayak
partially, yeah
charred brook
Theres so much they could do with warrior shouts lol
Interrupting Shout, Lust shout, move speed shout
icy mulch
At least with Colossus we had the knock up part. That doesn't have a DR at all.
charred brook
All things that could be thematic
cerulean scroll
I feel like rally at the end of sl was balanced for keys
icy mulch
10% is barely useful anywhere.
I take it cause my Raid leader kind of wants it for cushions.
shadow ibex
Feel like there is alot of circle stand in shit mechanics this season
Yea movement speed actual dps increase
vale estuary
Hi guys I’m new to Arms warrior; looking at the current M+tier lists, they all say that arms/fury are placed higher or lower depending the comp. I didn’t look any numbers, so I’m asking: assuming I’m in phys comp, how is our damage (arms specially)? Is it nearly competitive with meta tiers (not the S tier of course, but like A+/A)?
smoky kayak
he would ascend 1, tide the next, then link the next, then he would have no cds ...
I'll point out too that even in this case, that +10% is very unlikely to make a difference in your ability to survive that particular mechanic - at least unless you're doing a very specific key where you've planned out whether every mechanic will kill you without an exact amount of DR
charred brook
Yeah its just extra cushion during everybodys personals
Its not great but it could be the difference between dying on the last tick
Could be a lot better for sure
smoky kayak
Hi guys I’m new to Arms warrior; looking at the current M+tier lists, they all s...
Arms will be pretty decent overall damage after today's tuning; not particularly impressive and doesn't really shine anywhere, but certainly capable of completing general keys
tier lists are completely fictitious, so I'd say probably somewhere around mid-low B tier
shadow ibex
Rally feels good on top of dstance and reflect but not everyone can stack 2 defensive for free
cerulean scroll
Ive also had times where rally killed ppl when a tick happened as soon as it falls off
charred brook
tier lists are completely fictitious, so I'd say probably somewhere around mid-l...
in pure single target atleast
smoky kayak
rally + link can actually do funny stuff in very rare cases
charred brook
anything past 2t it will be cheeks prob
vale estuary
Arms will be pretty decent overall damage after today's tuning; not particularly...
Ty I appreciate
smoky kayak
in pure single target atleast
other way around; Colossus actually keeps up with Thane pretty well, but its ST sucks
charred brook
ACtually yeah I was looking at the sims youre right
And i didnt realize it said M+
icy mulch
rally + link can actually do funny stuff in very rare cases
Yeah, get ppl killed
smoky kayak
you can go Slayer Jugg for the ST prio, but it's really not much more than a novelty in M+
charred brook
I think im probably gonna stick to fury since they are roughly equal and MT ST will be better
Which im okay with, arms was the meta M+ last season
I also dont care for SkS too so I dont really want to play that
Colossus playstyle was really fun to learn last season though
smoky kayak
idk sks feels pretty seamless to me
forest hearth
30% op buff and we end up playing slayer arms in keys
the dream
charred brook
bring back old DN and ill play it in keys again
shadow ibex
30% op buff and we end up playing slayer arms in keys
🤮
smoky kayak
I mean if you wanna play Arms in keys, Colossus is fine
you're not breaking records, but it's fine for weekly key shit
if you wanna be meta... you're not going to anyway, so get over it 
rain cipher
half the time you use Rally, you end up asking yourself whether it actaully made...
it doesn't make difference! 10% is very low
pale mantle
we just need to get invited and not insta declined
smoky kayak
that's not an Arms v Fury or even a Warrior thing
that's a "there's a million more DPS in queue" thing
shadow ibex
I also dont care for SkS too so I dont really want to play that
I just don't play sks
Sucks to press
charred brook
Im honestly not even sure why i dont like it
it just doesnt feel fun for some reason
spring rune
But arms barely has any buttons to press!
charred brook
idk if its the keeping up with rend annoyance
smoky kayak
although my campaign against being shit might get you declined from some keys now
charred brook
you will always get declined it doesnt rly matter
smoky kayak
idk if its the keeping up with rend annoyance
I find its a lot less of a burden in M+, since you're pressing TC regularly anyway
wicked oak
that's a "there's a million more DPS in queue" thing
Allusion on fury btw ? Bécasse yep i sim better in fury than arm..just with bonus 2P and template...
pale mantle
if you see an arms and a fdk in queue with same ilvl and IO, which one you choose ?
charred brook
i was 3850, 698 ilvl, and 2700 io already and getting declined in 10s
pale mantle
99% the FDK for sure
vast cedar
i mean, just run your own key.
pale mantle
i was 3850, 698 ilvl, and 2700 io already and getting declined in 10s
holy shit
charred brook
it just happens
If you want constant invites play a more popular class
Like mage
it is what it is
pale mantle
i wish arms was omega broken like ele shammy
frosty pike
i dont invite rets or mages unless im really desperate, they're the new "trap" class
pale mantle
would be insta invite
shadow ibex
idk if its the keeping up with rend annoyance
It's cringe gameplay
I just play like last season
dim basalt
This guy is cooking
shadow ibex
Press ms cleave op
charred brook
i mean like archi said you dont even notice it as much with TC but i still find it not fun to play
I really cant put my finger on it i just have never liked it
vale estuary
i dont pug mages atm if their arcane... fotm trap shitters
That’s why I currently play Frost mage, but thinking of try arms
smoky kayak
This guy is cooking
cooking up a big steaming pile of 
cerulean scroll
Dropping bounding is crazy
charred brook
dude dropping bounding sucks
i had to drop it a lot last season because one of my groups liked the shockwave cd talent
dim basalt
I just love hes acting like some expert in the comments but clearly has no idea what hes talking about
smoky kayak
Rumbling is my suggested swap for Rally, but I definitely think it's more valuable in most uncoordinated groups
vast cedar
we up btw
smoky kayak
I'm down
cerulean scroll
I almost always die thinking ive leap back up or ive the sprint after it
shadow ibex
I really cant put my finger on it i just have never liked it
I just cba for extra global and bind
charred brook
i dont see why you cant have both
shadow ibex
And for why? You're not keeping up rend on 8 target
vast cedar
*servers
shadow ibex
It's capped
sour forge
Damage reduction rally when
cerulean scroll
i had to drop it a lot last season because one of my groups liked the shockwave ...
Sw cd is pretty good with colo since knock up doesn’t get dr’d
charred brook
yeah
cerulean scroll
And you do notice the range upgrade
shadow ibex
Range is very nice
shadow ibex
I stopped using it haven't noticed a difference
Only used intim in hardmode Taz for dragon cc
lone anvil
With eh 8% buff are we beter than Fury now?
smoky kayak
no
radiant dawn
we're better in situations where the goal is to do less than fury
fury isn't really good at that
balmy kindle
well blizz blessed myth weapon on week 2
cerulean scroll
Can we do the ret discord thing for fury/arms?
sharp wyvern
whats wrong with fury
sour forge
halcyon valve
whats wrong with fury
Its not arms
sour forge
