arms

[shadow ibex]

best we can do is you have to apply your mastery

[fresh spire]

basically ignore it on aoe sending executes on 2mfe like fury

[shadow ibex]

go again

[fresh spire]

then on bosses just be turbo aggressive with it, if it falls off oh well

[hexed saddle]

okay man

[fresh spire]

ill be doing some trial and error with it next week on wednesday reset

[minor gust]

I'll play around with it once we get these buffs.

[fresh spire]

so i can give some feedback how it goes

[balmy kindle]

Battelord non rendslayer is pretty ok imo, but no jug

[sour forge]

You’re sassy too. You get a +1

[shadow ibex]

i swear to god

we need colossus buffs

[fresh spire]

i did try to cook up a non cleave slayer build before patch but was still like 20% behind in aoe

[shadow ibex]

this slayer shit cannot fly

[sour forge]

Non cleave

Ouch

[fresh spire]

basically going for max reap the storm value

[shadow ibex]

i refuse

i refuse

[minor gust]

Yeah non cleave will never work until they make WW work with reap imo

[sour forge]

Now applying dw sounds criminal

[fresh spire]

BS is up all the time and warbreaker helps

[balmy kindle]

I want Colo as well but it's garen RP for now

[fresh spire]

not the end of the world

[minor gust]

It's fine u got WB and BS

[sullen ingot]

we did it boys, better than aug dmg

[shadow ibex]

we've done m+ in the past without cleave yea

[fresh spire]

fury bladestorm in keys legit 30 seconds

its insane

[sour forge]

Oh ya I guess bs applies it. Every 30 seconds ish

[shadow ibex]

pre DF i think most times we had cleave we never took it

[sour forge]

How long is duration?

[shadow ibex]

18 seconds

[minor gust]

Yeah if your spamming WW enough and dumping rage WB will be back before DW falls off

[shadow ibex]

WB also applies

[fresh spire]

long enough imo, you would have had the random swept mortal strike hitting targets too

[minor gust]

Or just after it goes off

[shadow ibex]

in BFA and SL we did m+ without cleave

[hexed saddle]

less with affix or lust

actually insane

[shadow ibex]

and some df seasons too

[fresh spire]

tried to get the SL execute/ms feely back

[sour forge]

Might have to kinda game the cds

[fresh spire]

ye been playing slayer keys for fury

[sour forge]

But I guess it could work

[fresh spire]

insane fun

[valid walrus]

8% .... Good joke blizz

[shadow ibex]

but also

[fresh spire]

RB meat grinder

[shadow ibex]

fuck slayer m+

[latent moss]

bro its actually

crack gameplay

[shadow ibex]

colossus needs buff

[minor gust]

Yeah fury owns

[dry frost]

Almost every talent needs buffs ngl

[fresh spire]

if slayer arms pressed execute on 2x mfe life would be golden

[west umbra]

In m+ do you get to 10 stacks before demolish on the first pull/every pull?

[fresh spire]

best feeling in fury is actually pushing sd again

[shadow ibex]

kaching

[sour forge]

It’s like a good version of Df s1

[shadow ibex]

i would do a reclear rq as arms to see how feels cuz i played fury a few fights

but idk just gonna wait for buff

why play it 8% worse

[fresh spire]

get all your opinons for testing random shit with fury then go back to arms

[vast tinsel]

You can get away with no cleave in a world where dreadnaught does anything

[fresh spire]

Archi and linc cocked up some odyns fury versions thats pretty fun

[hexed saddle]

im in this weird limbo where i think this is very fun but i dont want to praise it too much cause then they might think everything is fine and make 0 impactful changes again

so im maintaining the agenda that its okay but not great

[fresh spire]

tier bonus will eventually die and our anger will still be present in the alpha

[shadow ibex]

im actually liking thane more

which surprised me

[minor gust]

Def still not worth playing arms in raid over fury

[shadow ibex]

cuz i hate thane

[shadow ibex]

just for my own soul

[minor gust]

[shadow ibex]

i mean shit man i beat ppl on a few fights i actually sent it

[fresh spire]

our ret beats raiders

could be worse 😄

[shadow ibex]

yea when more ppl get tier

[fresh spire]

bro rank1 last boss hc and he was 10th on details

[shadow ibex]

rn its just did you gear up

more than the rest of your raid

like someone 701 cuz they been playing since tuesday vs guy who didnt take work off

[fresh spire]

me

[minor gust]

I have 4pc but raid lead won't let me make it yet

[fresh spire]

4p boots and hc scream, got pretty lucky this week

[shadow ibex]

i got mostly hero tier just from m+

i got 1 normal mode piece

[vast tinsel]

Yeah waiting for Tuesday before 4pc hurts but just get carried in keys but guildies with 4p it’s simple

[shadow ibex]

hero track glvoes chest and hat tho

[ripe igloo]

Okay is the buff enough?

[minor gust]

Same I'm just not allowed to send catalyst charges

[fresh spire]

not sure what other guilds was like but the great vaults from last week in ours gave 19/24 players a tier peice

fucking nuts

[ripe igloo]

Will it make arms better then fury

[shadow ibex]

even on hero gear?

that just seems really strict for no reason

[vast tinsel]

You wait vault

Imagine you cata 2 items and then get them in your vault

That’s pain

[shadow ibex]

idk at that point you just seem so obsessed with being strong later

lol

i just dont get prepping for being strong later

when im progging now

by the time any of that matters ill have 8 cata charges

like wringing your hands over being ultimate .1% max out week 12

is pointless if im doing mythic next week

[vast tinsel]

It depends on a lot of factors

How long you raid how your heroic goes which tier drops

[shadow ibex]

i could craft a myth item if that happened

like obviously it wouldnt be ideal

[vast tinsel]

You can do that anyway

[shadow ibex]

and in the top gear sim it might be the .3% gain vs the .4% gain

[thick meteor]

Arms suffering in silence>Ret crying

Does this 8% gonna bring us middle of the pack?

[shadow ibex]

the ppl above us also got buffed

[fresh spire]

bit behind fury imo

[river ridge]

Should be pretty similar in raid for Slayer. M+ Colossus Single Targrt still not super great so probably still Fury for keys.

[shadow ibex]

the floor just raised a bit higher

[fresh spire]

fury still has a better m+ profile

[shadow ibex]

they really need to undo colossus tier nerfs

just bafflingly stupid

[grave mulch]

Like why did col get nerfs ? Seemed just decent to me

[minor gust]

Yeah even on hero gear. He's going off on what if you get a myth piece in vault and you can't cata cuz you spent both charges..... So he's making us hold out till we get to the last 2 bosses on heroic and then hes gonna let ppl with big tier gains send it.

[candid pecan]

because prot was healing too much

and then they buffed thane tier set 3 times so now every single prot plays thane

[shadow ibex]

so just cata it next week, idk

[candid pecan]

[shadow ibex]

i just dont understand that stuff

its not like you have the crest to upgrade it to max

ur gonna craft a weapon

so it can sit in your bag fine

[river ridge]

I thought they nerfed the Extra MS Crit, not the bleed damage?

[rapid bronze]

It’s okay that rng myth track piece that needs to be catalysed is all that’s holding them back from RWF

[shadow ibex]

idk i swear they just dont think

lol

[minor gust]

Is what it is man we raid again Saturday so I'll be able to send 4pc then

[shadow ibex]

its alright to have the myth piece in ur bag imo, u can cata next week and the myth track is irrelevant cuz ur not sending crests on it

[candid pecan]

they nerfed the 100% crit chance MS down to 1 (was 2) and the bleed.

[river ridge]

I remeber the MS part, I don't remember the bleed nerf

[shadow ibex]

applying to keys as fury and swapping to arms

[minor gust]

I'm just refusing to do warrior keys right now because the no 4pc is taunting me knowing I could be doing 25% more dmg

Its DK gearing time

[dire hinge]

honestly just do tank at that point and roll arms spec

[grave mulch]

Tbh just thinking about it I’m surprised any buffs went out while RWF is on . That’s kinda unheard of

[shadow ibex]

i think the tuning is just really bad tbh

have we had a time where all 3 dps specs of a class were like top 5

or top 6 whatever lock

[vast tinsel]

Don’t they usually do small tuning this week for stuff that obviously won’t be played and they don’t buff it enough to be played in rwf

[candid pecan]

that 8% arms buff will make all the RWF guilds play 1 prot for bshout and thats it (same a sbefore prolly)

[grave mulch]

[shadow ibex]

yea this is pretty unprecedented

[grave mulch]

Fug

[shadow ibex]

but thats the point, it really shows how bad the balancing was at launch

i mean we told them how bad arms was on PTR but

[grave mulch]

Yeaaa with a lot of feed back you think blizzard would listen to a degree and that’s the whole point of it but our words went on deaf ears

[vast tinsel]

No warrior dev I fear

[shadow ibex]

get to play colossus m+ next week then i think of SkS

https://tenor.com/view/rollingonthefloor-sad-gif-4639889

[grave mulch]

I loved playing sks in s1 slayer

[clear silo]

Im really glad arms discord isn't following the ret discords steps at the moment

[shadow ibex]

terminally online behavior

[snow harbor]

Can someone approve my dosage of copium that this buff is actually enough to make me want to play arms?

[grave mulch]

5.8 mill enough ?

[snow harbor]

Is that sim number?

[grave mulch]

Yea that’s what our krispy said

[snow harbor]

I don't believe in sim numbers

I am huffing tho

[grave mulch]

Then what’s the point in asking if it’s worth playing

[minor gust]

you mean no rend slayer yeah

[rapid bronze]

What’s hilarious is the reason affliction is op is its undermine tier set being very strong they’ll get worse over time

They basically are getting the fury season 1 treatment

But I remember either last season DF or first season TWW all rogue specs were top raid dps?

I’m sure it’s happened with warlocks in either SL or DF as well

[north forge]

All 3 warlock specs are over performing it's crazy that demo dodged nerfs. I've seen near 10m overall in keys from them. Oh wait bliz don't care about m+ tuning nvm

[shadow ibex]

i will never play this

[minor gust]

do it

demolish and rend suck

[shadow ibex]

its probably the build you would play on nexus king

[rapid bronze]

It does comparable damage in smaller pulls but it’s so ass to play

[minor gust]

just doint think about jugg

[shadow ibex]

cleave to padd intermission

unless you just wanted to full send ST

[minor gust]

arms raid build

yeah its just send ST

never bother with cleave talents

[shadow ibex]

next week ill try raid build

and drop BB for cleave maybe

and FB for like

imp sweep or cd

idk if i will miss FB

[minor gust]

as slayer probably not

[shadow ibex]

if i can sneak into a heroic pug that isnt a boost maybe ill try it rn

idk how many pugs on h nexus king and actually gonna get pulls where i can try

[fresh spire]

reasons to crank out no rend slayer

[grave mulch]

Good lord just felt a little earthquake irl

[glass drift]

So, no rend slayer is probably the pushing build yeah?

Since single is ass on colossus?

[minor gust]

most likely

will still require testing

[glass drift]

That’s kinda cool, I don’t completely despise that build lol

[shadow ibex]

rendless slayer kicked my dog

[celest forge]

Colossus arms is fine in keys

[glass drift]

8% is probably not going to be enough, but it is more than I thought we would get tbh

[sour forge]

There’s a better rendless slayer

Called fury

[celest forge]

[glass drift]

Totally fair haha

[shadow ibex]

a better fury called thane

[void bay]

Sorry I sat down

[minor gust]

[celest forge]

Fresh from an hour ago

[sour forge]

Idk both feel pretty equal tbh. Slayer for prio/boss. thane for more overall

[celest forge]

Recommended Wowhead colossus build

[glass drift]

How was boss dam?

[shadow ibex]

i feel like thane ST is fine as well

[celest forge]

Between 2.4 and 3m

[sour forge]

It is

[grave mulch]

Bro…. First one I’ve felt in 33 years of life …. Don’t do that again

[sour forge]

Slayer is just way better

[minor gust]

I do 7-8 mil overall on my no 4pc fdk that is not fine

[celest forge]

It makes up for it with juicy cleaves

We're the balance druid of season 3

And anyway I'm sure you're better than me at the game

I still have a lot to learn

[glass drift]

I think a big problem will be when people start really doing large pulls with more gear. I would assume that’s when the damage profile starts to suck

[celest forge]

That's fair and probably true

[shadow ibex]

its not capped like fury but rend is

[celest forge]

But we don't have to be all gloom and doom in week 1

[shadow ibex]

tbf a lot of us have been playing it a long time and on ptr and writing has been on the wall for a few months

its frustrating

[celest forge]

Ah ok I never tested PTR

[minor gust]

weve been dooming for like a month now

this isnt anything new

[shadow ibex]

• you have things like them nerfing our tier set because of colossus prot

and then specifically only nerfing thane prot

not end of the world but just another thing to stack on top of the gripes

[balmy kindle]

Colo set announcement was hype until they decided to nerf

[minor gust]

the doom is just also how we fuck around it aint that serious

[uncut atlas]

Are we good again?

[celest forge]

Not yet

[minor gust]

approx 8% better

[uncut atlas]

damn back to delves then

[balmy kindle]

The non rend slayer build is playable if u want

[shadow ibex]

i assume we cant heroic leap over lines on dimenius yea

[minor gust]

only if you have new 4pc

[balmy kindle]

I am only on 2pc but it's a 8% ST gain

Not good, but not insanely crippling

[shadow ibex]

i was very depressed looking at my arms droptimizer lol

[nova marsh]

Hey look we got a buff

Arms gonna be better then enhanxe

[shadow ibex]

little do they know

i play arms

[balmy kindle]

You have skyfury and lust

[rapid bronze]

When u do end up getting into a key it is fun to be the underdog with no expectations and then kick ass

[north forge]

Is there any hope in a slayer arms keys situation ? Id love to have a build which focuses on bladestom / cleave / rend / reap procs for aoe (do SS'd overpowers both have tier set proc chance) and focuses on MS and execute on single target. Or is slayer arms still just so far behind it's not worth

[violet steeple]

You don't like barely hittin 4mil while everyone else is 4.5 bro?

😛

NGL the 8% looks insane on paper and it's sad it still won't be enough

May allow for some damage amp colossus cookin at best

[tulip rose]

what setting are you guys using to sim M+?

[grave mulch]

that was my best in a 9 priory

[violet steeple]

Bro it's so wild how shit arms is rn also lol @ the DH

and Lizard

[grave mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/elio-lizard-button-gif-10528652411096742370

i was playing no rend slayer

[violet steeple]

NGL man after the death of arms I haven't even fucked w 11.2 arms

Lol

[grave mulch]

we semi back this coming week

[violet steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-lizard-button-lizard-tom-the-lizard-pixar-gif-17194109322617058326

[grave mulch]

wait does that mean slayer might be the main M+ spec?

purely because the ST

[violet steeple]

I'm running mine and Archis hybrid slayer fury M+ cook and cranking

So I could potentially see arms filling the same niche

[grave mulch]

Pog! excited

[fossil thistle]

Worth upgrading champ to 8/8 as hero 4/6 is equiv

am I wrong in that assumption

[grave mulch]

we will see like 15 arms players soon and not just 9 of us

[violet steeple]

Gonna surely reach at least 20

@thick kelp will be so happy when he wakes up

[grave mulch]

[twin hazel]

Is it worth it to get 2 new set peices and mix with the old ATM?

[fossil thistle]

yes

[grave mulch]

So when i was breaking my s2 4/4 set and getting 2 set hero it was about 302k DPS increase getting the new teir

[twin hazel]

Wow!

[twin hazel]

Thanks!

[grave mulch]

i was super surprised it was that much

[umbral folio]

I mean rather than directly upgrading champion wait till you get a hero for that slot to save on crests then max the champion piece if you want to save your crest cap

[shadow ibex]

if i got every drop i needed on heroic would still be less than fury sim lol

assuming my gear for fury didnt change at all*

[violet steeple]

It’s so wild eh lol

Ret out here throwing a bitchfit and arms is giga worse

[candid pecan]

Arms being last on hc raid statistics was not on my bingo card

seriously, wtf

[slate grail]

they were both terrible on st

[slow bough]

Ret got arms a buff wild

[latent moss]

bad bingo card then

awful damage profile
awful flexibility in build. ure either aoe or st
low sim

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-jj-alexander-well-damn-antm-americas-next-top-model-omg-gif-11352253

got 701 hat from that hall run

ez 7 ilvls on tier hero hat

whoever thought of this upgrade system deserves anything they ever want in life

[quasi comet]

I may never hate on a ret again if they are the reason we got buffs

[zenith warren]

any idea why there is a server maintenance on eu?

[latent moss]

real

peak system

[hot current]

when are buffs coming live on reset?

[jagged oar]

Guys I just had this stroke of genius while my internet has been out all day

[zenith warren]

and whoever came up with the vault

[vast helm]

https://tenor.com/view/dbd-daima-dbz-dbs-db-gif-4847201313355668427

[jagged oar]

What if we shut down the discord and created a special bitch fest thread about buffs until it magically happened

[latent moss]

wow original idea

im sure no one has done it already

[jagged oar]

I know crazy

[latent moss]

if they arent trolling

that shit is embarrassing as fuck

[minor gust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1405832910250053743/arms_deadge.gif?=)!

[latent moss]

1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg @minor gust

elite ball knowledge required

@cunning comet lore

[dry frost]

I almost wanna join the pally disc just to post this shit

[vast helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284226322585354241/1405809468150644837/a35pgd.gif

[jagged oar]

No worries I got you

Lemme see if I get insta banned

[cunning comet]

Azerbaijan Intelligence Polo https://share.google/01Z9kLFFNpsUBnhNu

[latent moss]

:mhm:

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/my-wife-meet-my-wife-gif-5416698

[dry frost]

send this too

[shadow ibex]

Elite ball knowledge

[jagged oar]

I honestly hope they get buffed like 0.1% for the double digit they want

[void bay]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066

[atomic musk]

that has been send about 10000 time's nobody got banned for that its funny af

[dry frost]

lmao

[jagged oar]

Just keep kickin em

[vernal briar]

ummm did I wake up in the wrong time-line? arms got an 8% buff? (I still don't think this is even close to enough to make us worth considering)

[balmy kindle]

Yes sir

[jagged oar]

Lol no

[balmy kindle]

It's All a dream

[vernal briar]

yeah. thought so.

anyways, LOL rets crying

[jagged oar]

Lemme check back on the kiddos

[vernal briar]

are they still disabled xD

or w/e tf they did

[pliant vessel]

Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Ret [Retribution Paladin]. All this talk that we are “busted” and “constantly complaining for more buffs” just doesnt make sense. We are one of the few classes that FINALLY get to shine after all these years (looking at you MAGES ). Rotationally, its very complex for what we have to do to do “good” damage. Not only do we have to keep our Holy Power in check , we ALSO have to make sure our Final Reckoning AND our Wake of Ashes is in the perfect spot to do ANY damage. We lose everything if you guys move at all. Classes like Mage and Enhancement Shamans don’t have to worry about these issues like WE do. On top of all of this, the apm it takes to play Ret [Retribution Paladin] is more than any other class has ever been. We are constantly getting FLOODED with Holy Power and if we ever overcap, its gg (that means good game). When I’m playing Ret [Retribution Paladin], I’m never not pressing a button while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I’d like to see other people even try and compete with me as a Ret [Retribution Paladin] because they would crumble under the weight of all the responsibility, apm, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I’m out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.

[vernal briar]

WHAT

[jagged oar]

Lol

[vernal briar]

LMAO

[mighty tiger]

Damn, this even got here...

so...

when we crying as hard as them? lmao

[elder zealot]

What's worth more to you: your DPS or your dignity?

[pliant vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/ret-paladin-wheelchair-monke-gif-27475053

[jagged oar]

I played all three pally specs from DF S3 to not too long ago, it really wasn’t that bad

[atomic musk]

we are wow players so our dps

[vernal briar]

honestly, their crying got them a buff. We've been silent for far too long

[pliant vessel]

Arms warriors rise up

[vernal briar]

bring out the pampers, it's time for baby-mode

[pliant vessel]

In arms

[mighty tiger]

And legs

[minor gust]

im good I rather just go play fury

tyvm

[vernal briar]

oh? an imposter..

[pliant vessel]

Unleash the beast

[vernal briar]

amongus?

[pliant vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/nosferatu-ellen-hutter-wolf-meme-jjongvillee-gif-8708095632783399513

[vernal briar]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-loud-scream-girl-kid-hispanic-girl-gif-3761151244536557927

this gon' be me now.

our resident simmers, is the 8% good nuff for us to do higher damage than the augs?

[dreamy egret]

lol we got 8 when ret cried and only got 5

[severe thunder]

We did need it more tbh lol

[pliant vessel]

Aff locks now complaining in class disc

[severe thunder]

Wow afflocks are now 7% ahead of everyone else instead of 10%

[jagged oar]

If it’s not, do you bring an Aug and a priest for PI reserve for maximum power

[dry frost]

aint no way

[pliant vessel]

Still not as OP as ret, amirite fellow warriors

[severe thunder]

Arms needs a full rework in midnight please

[dry frost]

tru

[pliant vessel]

Give them more arms so they can hold 10 swords

[severe thunder]

Fury gives me carpal tunnel so I can't even swap to that

Just make arms better please

[jagged oar]

Lookin like Zo’phex with them arms

[vernal briar]

Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Arms [Arms Warrior]. All this talk that we are “braindead” and “just press Mortal Strike” just doesn’t make sense. We are one of the few classes that have been dogwater since S1 in TWW and nobody even knows we exist. Rotationally, it’s way more punishing than people give us credit for. Not only do we have to keep our Rage in check, we ALSO have to make sure our Colossus Smash AND our Bladestorm are in the perfect spot to do ANY damage. We lose everything if the boss even sneezes and moves out of range. Classes like Mage and Enhancement Shaman don’t have to worry about these issues like WE do. On top of all this, the APM it takes to play Arms [Arms Warrior] is higher than people think—we are constantly spending Rage and if we ever overcap or miss a global, it’s gg (that means good game). When I’m playing Arms [Arms Warrior], I’m never not stressing about my rotation while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I’d like to see other people even try and compete with me as an Arms [Arms Warrior] because they would crumble under the weight of all the windows, rage management, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I’m out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.

[jagged oar]

Thank you for using dogwater I fucking love that word

[dry frost]

Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Arms [Arms Warrior]. All this talk that we are “braindead” and “just press Mortal Strike” just doesn’t make sense. We are one of the few classes that have been dogwater since S1 in TWW and nobody even knows we exist. Rotationally, it’s way more punishing than people give us credit for. Not only do we have to keep our Rage in check, we ALSO have to make sure our Colossus Smash AND our Bladestorm are in the perfect spot to do ANY damage. We lose everything if the boss even sneezes and moves out of range. Classes like Mage and Enhancement Shaman don’t have to worry about these issues like WE do. On top of all this, the APM it takes to play Arms [Arms Warrior] is higher than people think—we are constantly spending Rage and if we ever overcap or miss a global, it’s gg (that means good game). When I’m playing Arms [Arms Warrior], I’m never not stressing about my rotation while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I’d like to see other people even try and compete with me as an Arms [Arms Warrior] because they would crumble under the weight of all the windows, rage management, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I’m out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-hi-bye-gif-8390063

[pliant vessel]

Colossal smash? Where's mortal strike

[vernal briar]

Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Arms [Arms Warrior]. All this talk that we are “braindead” and “just press Mortal Strike” just doesn’t make sense. We are one of the few classes that have been dogwater since S1 in TWW and nobody even knows we exist. Rotationally, it’s way more punishing than people give us credit for. Not only do we have to keep our Rage in check, we ALSO have to make sure our Colossus Smash AND our Bladestorm are in the perfect spot to do ANY damage. We lose everything if the boss even sneezes and moves out of range. Classes like Mage and Enhancement Shaman don’t have to worry about these issues like WE do. On top of all this, the APM it takes to play Arms [Arms Warrior] is higher than people think—we are constantly spending Rage and if we ever overcap or miss a global, it’s gg (that means good game). When I’m playing Arms [Arms Warrior], I’m never not stressing about my rotation while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I’d like to see other people even try and compete with me as an Arms [Arms Warrior] because they would crumble under the weight of all the windows, rage management, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I’m out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.

[vernal briar]

https://tenor.com/view/rudy-kobansky-profitansky-power-respect-respect-bro-gif-7583971524237177134

[shadow ibex]

when youre a sneeze and the boss is in melee range

[vernal briar]

aight, I'll throw this copy pasta in the ret discord.. brb

[latent moss]

send the arms got buffed for more gif

[jagged oar]

Same

[vernal briar]

ZUG ZUG

[jagged oar]

Spice em up a bit they were getting tame for a second there

[vernal briar]

Yeah

[short oasis]

Im so happy for the 8% buff

time to game

[jagged oar]

Zug zug brother

[regal wharf]

We’re not asking to be overpowered.
We’re asking to be respected.
We are the Light’s judgment, NOT the raid’s pity parse.

Blizzard, FIX RET.

Until then, the Paladin Discord is on STRIKE ✊

NO GUIDES. NO SUPPORT.
🗣️ NO GLORY UNTIL BUFFS 🗣️

#JusticeForRet
#LightAbandonedUs

[cunning comet]

🐈👈

[dry frost]

someone quick make an arms version

[vernal briar]

We’re not asking to be overpowered.
We’re asking to be respected.
We are the blade of war, NOT the raid’s bottom log.

Blizzard, FIX ARMS.

Until then, the Warrior Discord is on STRIKE ✊

NO GUIDES. NO SUPPORT.
🗣️ NO HONOR UNTIL BUFFS 🗣️

#JusticeForArms
#ForgottenSinceS1

lads, you know what to do

[regal wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-fate-archer-archer-fate-ubw-gif-10062053075137751536

UNLIMITED ARMS WORKS

[vernal briar]

LMAO

[regal wharf]

I AM THE BUFF OF MY CLASS

SO I PRAY

UNLIMITED CLEAVE WORKS

[pliant vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/524246444560089099/1079170237288698048/cattoastingexpanded.gif

[short oasis]

Btw when is that buff dropping?

on monday?

[shadow ibex]

Lmao

Ahahahahahaha

[latent moss]

🎦

[finite grotto]

Ret players cringe af

[latent moss]

infinite budget works

[nova marsh]

sO

[latent moss]

wasnt ufotable caught for a bit of tax dodging xd

[nova marsh]

Is archi gonna take down the arms guides lol

So arms can get a rework or smth

[atomic musk]

Says with the weekly reset whenever that is for you

[short oasis]

Ah so Wednesday, thanks

[vernal briar]

at least our discord is peak. even if our dps isn't

unlimited cry works

[pliant vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-world-of-warcraft-goblin-goblin-dance-blizzard-gif-25836648

[vernal briar]

8% is probably like a 400k ish dps increase total on ST.. < ass math

[prisma cypress]

prayers for you guys from a rogue

inshallah you win the arms race for buffs with ret

[vernal briar]

thank you habibi, may you have 4 wives

[prisma cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/kediullah-müslüman-kedi-muslim-cat-gif-18148793775225003064

[grave mulch]

Why did the ret copy paste make me think of the navy seal copy paste

[vernal briar]

Semper Fi

https://tenor.com/view/army-marines-firearms-guns-semper-fi-gif-15578650

[balmy kindle]

Arms disc got the best copypastas and gifs

[grave mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1405832910250053743/arms_deadge.gif

[regal wharf]

I am the bone of my 2H
Rage is my body and rend is my blood
I have created over a thousand 2H
Unknown to Nerfs,
Nor known to Buffs.
Have withstood pain to create many 2H
Yet, those hands will never hold Gold Parses
So as I pray, Unlimited Arms Works.

[balmy kindle]

U forgot the middle verses

[vernal briar]

fellas, DKs and Fire mages are copying us

let's go raid them

ZUG ZUG

[dry frost]

Real and true

[regal wharf]

i just stole it from reddit

and edited it

[balmy kindle]

Tinfoil hat moment : maybe bolas was the Messiah after all

Do the dirty work that threatens blizzards wallet

[latent moss]

ballsas

[mighty tiger]

Paladins crying while warrior arms main listen:

https://tenor.com/view/roman-reigns-jey-uso-talking-a-lot-annoyed-talkative-gif-18685968

[jagged oar]

Hey you know the funny thing was I re-made the copypasta for mages and then realized people started to sound nutso

That’s when I realized I was on the ret discord

Anyway here you go

Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Fire [Fire Mage]. All this talk that we are “braindead” and “just press Pyroblast” just doesn’t make sense. We are one of the few classes that have been dogwater since S1 in TWW and nobody even knows we exist. Rotationally, it’s way more punishing than people give us credit for. Not only do we have to keep our Mana in check, we ALSO have to make sure our Combustion AND our Ignites are in the perfect spot to do ANY damage. We lose everything if the boss even sneezes and moves out of range. Classes like Warrior and Enhancement Shaman don’t have to worry about these issues like WE do. On top of all this, the APM it takes to play Fire [Fire Mage] is higher than people think—we are constantly spending Mana and if we ever overcap or miss a global, it’s gg (that means good game). When I’m playing Fire [Fire Mage], I’m never not stressing about my rotation while warriors get to sit there and instant cast Overpower (2 [two] second cast btw [by the way]). I’d like to see other people even try and compete with me as a Mage [Fire Mage] because they would crumble under the weight of all the windows, mana management, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I’m out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.

[balmy kindle]

Holy wall of text

[vernal briar]

Arms is supposedly getting a new “Warlord’s Resolve” system that lets them chain weapon techniques together with devastating finishing strikes. For years, Arms has been seen as slow and clunky, but this new combo mechanic is designed to make them feel relentless and punishing. On top of that, Warriors are rumored to gain a baseline gap closer—something like an enhanced Charge that chains into a crushing attack. Banners are also being reworked so Arms brings unique raid buffs no other spec can provide. In PvP, whispers say Mortal Strike will once again apply an even deeper healing reduction, making Arms a nightmare in melee cleaves. Thematically, Arms will get exclusive brutal weapon transmogs and a blood-red two-hander from the expansion’s final raid. Blizzard supposedly wants Arms to feel like the true embodiment of martial might in this expansion. If true, Arms mains are finally about to feast.

[nova marsh]

Guys let's not be cringe

[lost briar]

where that copy pasta came from lmao

[jagged oar]

I gotchu

[vernal briar]

I made it from the rets own copy pasta

Retribution is supposedly getting a “Zealotry” system that lets them chain holy strikes together with brutal finishing moves. For years, Ret has been seen as clunky, but this new combo mechanic is designed to keep them aggressive and fast. On top of that, paladins are rumored to gain a baseline movement skill—something like a second Divine Steed that chains into an attack. Auras are also being reworked so Retribution gets unique raid buffs no other spec can bring. In PvP, whispers say Judgment will once again apply an armor-shattering debuff, making Rets absolute monsters in melee cleaves. Thematically, Retribution will get exclusive radiant weapon transmogs and a glowing two-hander from the expansion’s final raid. Blizzard supposedly wants Retribution to feel like the poster child of the Light in this expansion. If true, Ret mains are about to eat very, very well.

[jagged oar]

Here

The re-made arms one is in there somewhere lol

[lost briar]

I shed a tear from laughing

literally

[vernal briar]

I gotchu king

[vernal briar]

here

[nova marsh]

Oh

Is this the fan made arms rework I've heard about lol

[vernal briar]

the armsGPT

[jagged oar]

Every class discord should pick their lowest hanging fruit spec and make a buff thread for meme

[vernal briar]

yeah, except augs

[nova marsh]

Frost shock for shaman

[balmy kindle]

It's pretty funny though how blizzard reacted

[vernal briar]

they should stay unbuffed

[nova marsh]

slam for arms

[jagged oar]

Augs don’t exist

[atomic musk]

augs should get deleted

[vernal briar]

and rets >:)

[jagged oar]

I always say the pink men pass judgement fastest in pugs

[balmy kindle]

Fordring was a mistake

[vernal briar]

paladins are a pile of holyshit

AND BROWN TOWN KNOWS SHIT

[balmy kindle]

Totally useless whole campaign, suddenly breaks free from ice to down arthas

[jagged oar]

Now Chinese paladins I played with on PTR were on another level and nice people

And called each other holy knight

[vernal briar]

https://tenor.com/view/bingchilling-gif-10067072887923246131

[void bay]

That's because you don't speak Chinese. They were actually trash talking you the entire instance

[jagged oar]

Hey man if I can’t understand them then it doesn’t concern me

But probably right

[vernal briar]

arm pitts has a point

[balmy kindle]

Nw 他不知道

[jagged oar]

My wife went to heal some and they told her “+14 or we leave” and she was like “are you fuckin out of your mind”

She a healer

[vernal briar]

did she tell them that the age of consent is 18?

[balmy kindle]

TBF most CN players on NA can understand English to a certain extent, some are expats

[jagged oar]

She sent it and they wiped on pull 1 pulling everything they could in Halls pre-nerf to mob density

[regal wharf]

guys idea

[jagged oar]

They said “no, not right” and disbanded

[vernal briar]

let the blade man cook

[lofty pulsar]

Oh wow 8% buff?

[regal wharf]

we convince blizzard that xi jinping plays arms

then they HAVE to buff it

[balmy kindle]

[vernal briar]

https://tenor.com/view/paparazzi-papa-coolmathgames-cooking-papapizzaeria-gif-27607386

[regal wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/tesla-and-einstein-luma-ai-gif-14475294631445060178

[balmy kindle]

The only problem is they call arms and warriors in general 城管 ( Town security)

No CN guides recommend warriors

[vernal briar]

LMAO

WE'RE PAW PATROL FELLAS

https://tenor.com/view/paw-patrol-sir-ryder-sir-police-chase-ready-for-action-gif-2525311626191471518

vulperan warriors

[balmy kindle]

Patrol because always declined

[void bay]

"The town security is bad man. He needs stronger muscle. Do not pick the town security "

[jagged oar]

I hope more copypastas make it on the Chinese copypasta site for MO, I made a few of the ones for LoU

[shadow ibex]

lmao

[jagged oar]

Dimensius alone is a goldmine

[shadow ibex]

im crying laughing rn

town watch

[void bay]

Those were the only thing keeping me sane in Wotlk classic.... People just spamming them in general out of boredom

[balmy kindle]

I shit you not, even in S2 they are like don't pick warriors

[shadow ibex]

so arms warrior is sort of like, a town guard archtype

lol

[jagged oar]

https://copypastatext.com/classic-wow-chinese-copypasta/ spam them some more

[balmy kindle]

Yeah because you can't get in lobbies , CN players are all about efficiency

Classic

They used to be more common, nowadays Chinese players can actually converse in English ( esp if they are on NA / OCE)

[jagged oar]

Paladin homotank 圣骑士同性恋坦克 smear holiness on the floor 将圣洁涂抹在地板上attract thugs and other men 吸引暴徒和其他男人 only one button press 只需按一个按钮 more time for achieve self pleasure中等伤害

The ulduar ones are really good

[balmy kindle]

Yeah because it's very literal

It kinda makes no sense until you realise what it actually means

Eg smear holiness= consecrate

[vast surge]

Damn arms got buffs and we didn’t have to be little bitches about it.

[pearl wind]

💅

[manic pasture]

should I sim dungeon or 5t?

[granite coral]

long ass toes

[shadow ibex]

5t

or 8t really

pulls are big

[hollow wave]

why they close ret discord?

[grave mulch]

Because the ret writer was chimping out

[unborn canyon]

Wait, they closed the ret discord?

Lol

[summer elbow]

bis stats lest goo

[grave mulch]

They closed the ret gen chat and made

thats become the new gen chat

[unborn canyon]

Hey, they buffed ret

[grave mulch]

and theres

[scarlet folio]

This will just encourage them to whine more now.

[hollow wave]

Rets are weird

I guess its their mantra

[grave mulch]

They are vey entitled

[scarlet folio]

The holy channel isn't much better, anytime mele wings is viable you have to put half of them on suicide watch

[finite grotto]

Even with 8% buff, looking at top heroic raid parses raid numbers we are still second to last

[frosty pike]

thats better than dead last

we're so back

[finite grotto]

Lmao yeahhhh buddy!

CHAAAARGE

[jagged oar]

Would it be wrong to break the alpharet chain

[scarlet folio]

If youy do it might start a holy war with the rets, and with their dps that would take forever.

[jagged oar]

Just spell out ARMS

actually, soon someone will have to spell NRF

[summer elbow]

good or bad?

[jagged oar]

All trinkets were nerfed in patch notes iirc

From ulduar that is

[summer elbow]

yup

[balmy kindle]

You can try simming but I would not hold my hopes up (we work better with 90s trinks as well )

[willow coral]

did arm just got 8% buff?

[shadow ibex]

not all but all the good ones

ive been using in m+ from the TW chest. about 33% uptime

not awful considering 10 sec buff

[grave mulch]

I got that trinket before the new and its TERRIBLE i simmed it at max ilvl and vendored it

[heavy patio]

I got cursed stone idol and a signet today. Still using neither

[nova marsh]

People saying enhance and arms should do this

It's so, so hilariously cringe. It's not as if blizzard is actually IN these discords

[flat willow]

Idk, blizzard devs are in the classic discords and I'd expect them to take retail more seriously than classic

But yes its stupid, they are even delusional enough to think the buff was in reaction to what they did and not already planned

Like blizzard saw the dumbasses ret paladin crying and ran to buff them

[void bay]

Blizzard Dev: "100 whines and ill buff you"

[heavy patio]

Plus, where would we do our shitpost memes at anyways

[smoky kayak]

yeah no, it's super cringe and goes against everything class discords (not to mention actual guide writers who claim to be running them) were meant for

[sullen ingot]

Just wait, we'll get desperate enough

[nova marsh]

Ya know archi that's literally exactly what I thought when I saw it

[misty sandal]

Agreed. At least people in here are actually sane about and taking it in stride.

[nova marsh]

Imagine a new ret player just wanting to talk about their spec or get advice that the guides might not have only to be met with the whiny noises of the people doing this

[devout pewter]

But it's fitting for pallies, isn't it? They're in danger, gotta hit bubble hearth

[nova marsh]

[heavy patio]

Technically if you're a pally - you're a simp. WAHH WAHHH LIGHT MAKE ME STRONG

[devout pewter]

I mean, new Arms player going in here and asking for help and getting hit with the coffin meme and "play fury" isn't very good either 😛

but yeah that pally shit is hilarious and ... bad

[heavy patio]

Hey now, some of us would give them legit advice - along with coffin meme

[devout pewter]

But hey, 8% buff, now we at least not getting insta kicked when someone sees us... right?

[devout pewter]

Very true!

[nova marsh]

I mean yeah

But as said before, some would give legit advice

[formal fog]

Worth to play over fury?

[nova marsh]

Probally not but tbh

if you don't care about the performance I don't think arms in the worst state possible post buffs

Haven't seen the number crunches yet

[devout pewter]

is the fix live already?

(eu) 😄

[nova marsh]

Is it tuseday?

[devout pewter]

Somewhere in the world maybe!

didn't see that it's going live on patch day sorry

[heavy patio]

I'm assuming that this 8% aura buff is just a temp thing until after race

[devout pewter]

Let's hope that... Warr dps rework before midnight???!!!!

as if, but maybe with midnight... maybe

[sullen ingot]

are we locking the chat if we dont get it

[minor gust]

have to since it so clearly works

[devout pewter]

eh, seems to work. lets pull a ret pally on this discord

[hasty vault]

im down to lock the chat. crashing out in a bitch fit seemed to work for the rets

[unkempt wren]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[hasty vault]

ill be damned if we're out bitched by a prissy light wielding simp

[pearl wind]

is it worth taking berserker shout for any dungeons this season?

[devout pewter]

we gotta one up them though... delete the discord entirely

[fair siren]

the only thing the ret disc achieved by locking the channel is ruining their rep forever xd

had 0 impact on the changes they were already coming

[devout pewter]

It's baseline again now, so yeah just take it 😄

[fair siren]

i was in there earlier they know it did nothing they are keeping it locked until more buffs they are doubling down

[pearl wind]

lol i mean the shout talent not berserker rage baseline

the one that removes fear aoe

[devout pewter]

oh okay

[pearl wind]

mists of tirna scithe is perfect for that

piercing howl seems like a must for the tazavesh one with all the MURLOCS

[hasty vault]

id like to see the ret crash out if they ever get the arms warrior treatment

[brittle pelican]

what about rogue treatment?

[balmy kindle]

True story

[ionic tendon]

I've been a rogue main for years, TWW launched with the deathstalker hero tree literally bugged and almost unuseable, and you didn't see Whysper or Fuu pulling the kinda BS going on in the ret disc right now lol

[unkempt wren]

Well you couldnt see them do it because of stealth

[shadow ibex]

its so unprofessional lol

[minor gust]

very childish. It would be one thing if there was something fundamentally broken about that needs to be addressed, but no its a tantrum about tuning

[swift portal]

WHY DO we take skull spliter for M+

[minor gust]

because colossus with tier does a lot of bleed dmg

[queen star]

suppose its fair we got an extra 3% for not holding the discord hostage

[shadow ibex]

like

it puts blizzard in such a bad position

[minor gust]

I hope blizz sees their lil tantrum and reverts the 5% buff

[shadow ibex]

the optics are so dumb

[minor gust]

like brother man we all take turns being poorly tuned its not a big deal and there was gonna be after rwf tuning

https://tenor.com/view/diesofcringe-gif-24606059

[flat willow]

Yes blizzard... Revert the ret buff and let ret be shit until midnight

Do it

[carmine iris]

https://tenor.com/view/ret-retribution-paladin-gif-22704986

[flat willow]

The paladins must learn

[minor gust]

to bad they learned their bitching worked

even if it didnt actually the ret mind will always assume it was because of them

[queen star]

did it though or was blizz giving them 5% anyways

[minor gust]

most likely the latter

[shadow ibex]

honestly i wish they would revert it just to cement this kind of optics isnt ok

[queen star]

but yeah shit position that some folks might believe shutting down a discord got em buffed 😄

[shadow ibex]

obviously they didnt change anything because of a discord but it looks awful if its picked up any news

[queen star]

yea 100%

[shadow ibex]

• the doubling down is just like at least have some dignity and apologize hey we were frustrated

but no grown ass men with jobs seemingly behaving like that

and its a wowhead guide writer and they work closely with blizzard

so you have this dumbass employee throwing a wrench in that relationship

its just so fucking stupid on so many levels lol

[void bay]

Are you sure?

[shadow ibex]

p sure

[void bay]

Whats that got to do with blizzard?

[shadow ibex]

they do interviews and content with blizzard all the time?

[void bay]

ive never seen that, my bad

i thought it was "content creators"

[shadow ibex]

i would put a lot of money on wowhead having an interview with some wow devs at gamescom next week

[void bay]

oh there might be someone from wowhead sure, but guide writers just seem to be players that love a particular class and theorycraft the shit out of it/write the apls

[shadow ibex]

i think the official ones are actual employees? or i thought they were. i assumed they received payment for what they did

[void bay]

I thought they are more like contractors that get paid for submitting work (guides)....archi and others like that might be different, ie actual employees, as he does news and other stuff too

[shadow ibex]

thats where it gets weird imo because its employees and just mad unprofessional

[void bay]

like the hunter guide writer has never done any news stories that i can recall, or reviews of guides in general for accuracy

idk if that bolas is an employee

[shadow ibex]

idk anything about the system but i know there was a posting looking for a writer and it seemed to be something that wasn't a huge part of the game

but there was a wowhead article posted about it so def actual employees

[fair siren]

i think ur confusing it because archim is a badass

[shadow ibex]

for even seemingly minor systems

[fair siren]

and has all the connections

guys been the face of warrior for my whole wow career and im old

[void bay]

what qualifies as "old" here? Cos I seen allsorts lol

[hexed saddle]

most guide writers are just contracted

theres not very many actual employees

[void bay]

see ^^

[fair siren]

i started the start of tbc

[void bay]

ah right

[fair siren]

i actually started leveling in vanilla and hit 60 the day tbc launched

so toxic

think i was 14 or 15

[void bay]

i weirdly miss those days, but I think its more my life situation than wow being better

[fair siren]

agreed

classic will never recapture retail

cant go back in time

[void bay]

naw, 100% agree....tried classic upto cata, and its just not the same due to min maxing, RMT for gold, paying to get gear etc etc

seems like everyone just buys gold

[fair siren]

also forums....

[void bay]

I miss the days before even thottbot where you were asking in general chat for quest help

[fair siren]

noone talks about forums but they were everything back then

[jade ember]

My server's community from 2009 doesn't just magically come back so yeah

[fair siren]

yeah also the age of the internet

you cant replicate that

huge factor that people overlook

[jade ember]

The old forums getting nuked is crazy, our server had some banger threads

[fair siren]

who remebers elitist jerks xd

[void bay]

yup, thats where ion came from

[jade ember]

Yea I used to lurk there a lot

[fair siren]

bis forum

[void bay]

yeah i think they were the first proper hardcore theorycrafters, at least as far as I knew

[jade ember]

I wonder if I still have Landsoul's spreadsheet from ICC laying around somewhere

[shadow ibex]

old warrior names

samayeal

i didnt spell it right but it was something like that

think he wrote the guide in mop i think landsoul kinda stopped after cata? still was raiding in vodka i think tho

[jade ember]

name an ICC piece after him
its DK tier appearance

[shadow ibex]

lol

[quick marlin]

Ahhh landsoul. I had a brief tutorial session with him trying to bone up on arms back in wrath. Good times. (I’m still no good at it)

[shadow ibex]

did he get a mop item as well?

i swear a warrior got a mop world BoE

[hexed saddle]

archi prob knows

[jade ember]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-and-community-references-in-wow-226830#warrior

Prolly thinking of Sutiru's

[shadow ibex]

yea

[slow saddle]

We need anotjer 5%!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

10% col st

Somehow

[shadow ibex]

colo could use tier un nerf

[minor gust]

yeah a tier un nerf followed up by massive buffs

[shadow ibex]

yeaaaaaaaaa

it do be needing a lot

[slow saddle]

Just pure st

[minor gust]

I mean aoe too

[slow saddle]

Col could actually be fun to play in this raid

[minor gust]

colossus aoe is nothing special

[slow saddle]

Its fine

If tier rebuffed

[minor gust]

didnt say it was bad

[slow saddle]

To 100%

[minor gust]

just whatever

[shadow ibex]

really not impressed at all

maybe 8% will change smth

[slow saddle]

Yeye, but if the st was fury

Esque

[shadow ibex]

but ya this week even with some p great arms gear

no versi rings

[slow saddle]

Fun class to play

[shadow ibex]

good necklace

[slow saddle]

My guess is

U will do 8% more aoe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[jade ember]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[pearl wind]

did you try hardcore classic?

[slow saddle]

Hardcore only works if games easy

[pearl wind]

did you play hardcore classic?

[slow saddle]

Doesnt change the fact if i did or not

Consider retail hardcore😅

[pearl wind]

classic HC sounds easy until you and four other brave adventurers have found themselves in an unfolding dire situation deep in uldaman

or anywhere really

lotta scary times in BRD

[shadow ibex]

that looks like such a good thane fight lol

[smoky kayak]

class writers aren't involved in any WH interviews
those are done by newswriting staff

[shadow ibex]

even on heroic it feels like 1

[boreal quartz]

i will press blink not frost nova and ignore my mana gem

🧙 🐀

[pearl wind]

iconic hc moment

[dense sphinx]

surely they announce warrior rework

[untold pewter]

It's easy mate
Now imagine you had hardcore retail, walk into higher keys, try to mythic raid at all

Now that is hard

Hardcore only works if the game is easy is very true, otherwise nobody gets anything done and who the heck would play that

[pearl wind]

well, the original point was if hardcore captured the essence of original vanilla

[untold pewter]

It doesn't, that's the whole point, to put a twist into it and raise the stakes

[pearl wind]

obviously you can't have infinite scaling difficulty oneshot machine in the permadeath game mode

[untold pewter]

Vanilla is just romanticized by nostalgia. Game wasn't harder, people were just clueless about how to play because they didn't have 2 decades of experience as we do now

Pick someone who never touched MMOs and get them to play Classic they'll feel the same as folks who played Vanilla

[pearl wind]

yeah i never implied it was like, difficult in the way that keys are

just that it captured the vanilla essence well because it forced immersion and community and cooperation -- and the difficulty comes from things spiraling out of control. feels like a real adventure

especially if you make friends out there and band together it's the opposite of single serving LFG friends

disposable interactions

plus there are plenty of situations you find yourself in that are actually difficult and force you to use your full utility to scrape by alive

i tanked every dungeon to 60 and man i was sweating so many times

BRD was the sketchiest

[untold pewter]

It wouldn't have been sketchy with a group that knows how to do them, that's the point

It's not the game being hard, it's people not having knowledge

The game is still easy

[pearl wind]

we all knew how to do it

well laid plans etc

i had a static trio, me, a dps warrior, and a resto druid, we'd pug two dps and all be in comms lol

[untold pewter]

Idk mate if you think that hardcore classic is hard that's fine, your experience is valid but that's not the perception for many, many people

[pearl wind]

sometimes bael'gar just almost flattens you instantly and then adds show up

the difficulty is in reaching 60 alive

i think if you go do a hardcore run, manage to get to 60, i think your perception would change

especially as a warrior

[untold pewter]

You're assuming I didn't

[pearl wind]

yeah, that is correct

[untold pewter]

Some folks think retail heroic raids are hard too
And that's ok

[pearl wind]

i think you are caught up on the specific idea and definition of difficulty in a limited scope -- obviously there are no boss encounters like +10 tazavesh in classic hardcore

playing a fast passage on a string instrument is quite difficult, but so is playing a light airy note extremely delicately slowly and drawn out with dynamics

it is a different kind of difficulty

[untold pewter]

That's a funny comparison cuz I do play guitar for 18 years
But no, I don't think it's difficult. And if you do, that's fine but you can't really convince others that had the experience and didn't come to the same conclusion cuz their experience is just as valid as yours

[pearl wind]

isn't that what you're doing right now despite intentionally not sharing if you've actually played HC or played it to 60?

(also i was thinking of bowed string instruments but it probably makes sense anyway 😛 )

[untold pewter]

Nah I'm not trying to convince you

[pearl wind]

most of the time, HC isn't difficult. sometimes, it's actually legit scary

[untold pewter]

I'm just showing a different perspective

[pearl wind]

i generally agree with the idea that classic is not difficult mechanically

[crimson steppe]

I've played warrior since vanilla and the class just can't keep up with other dps unless they're doing something seriously wrong

[pearl wind]

usually you are in doodoo gear though, and so is everyone, so it definitely has its moments

[untold pewter]

We've had some tiers in the light man

[crimson steppe]

when was that

8.3 last time I remember being "meta" and we weren't insane compared to the usual Fire mage/Destro lock

[untold pewter]

Even now FUry is ahead of a lot of specs

And I remember Antorus at least

For both Arms and Fury

[pearl wind]

my static m+ group is doing phys comp this season and i tried rogue but it's a lot of mental and physical effort pack to pack, my other options were feral or warrior. i mained druid for a long time, and might still end up doing that, but i'm really enjoying the arms gameplay. those buffs coming at a welcome time

[untold pewter]

Nighthold too if memory serves me right

[crimson steppe]

that was almost a decade ago

[untold pewter]

Yeah but look at Fury today

It's ahead

Of like over half the specs in the game

[crimson steppe]

Idk I'm getting wrecked on big pulls still

maybe on ST we're decent

[untold pewter]

Warrior usually does good damage the reason we're not meta is usually because damage is all we have going for us

Then you have boomkin mage etc doing damage AND having a ton of good shit

For keys specifically

[crimson steppe]

yeah it's annoying I just want to play the game

I can queue on any other class and instantly get into a group

debating going prot

[untold pewter]

Prot is really good now too

[pearl wind]

oh my gawd an arms warrior applied to my normal raid pug we can't possibly bear the burden

[main wing]

Let that chad show yall up

[tight fractal]

I just show up to raid and stunt on those kids.

[hot current]

buffs are live?

[tight fractal]

Tuesday

I'll play arms at its worst state regardless

[main wing]

Chad shit jiff

[reef glade]

[tight fractal]

I also play prot, but. Fuck fury amirite

[halcyon valve]

real

[tight fractal]

add 8% to that and I'll be a chill mill above our second lmao

(For clarity, this was heroic loom)

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/spoingus-pass-the-tuna-down-gif-21178537

[pearl wind]

fury feels spammy compared to arms, i like the slower harder hitting abilities

blizz should give dps warriors a lust/hero shout

[inland drift]

true on the spammy thing, thats why i like arms more 🙁

[pearl wind]

i like the no rend slayer build, juicing cleave for m+ and having good prio damage

feels like at times it could use a ton of haste

[ember hatch]

with 8% buff on war arms will be viable?

[zinc wolf]

No

[fresh spire]

maybe we should reinvent the wheel

and pass the tuna up

[zinc wolf]

Maybe we should really close the arma channel

[fresh spire]

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[dry frost]

https://i.imgflip.com/a397ld.gif

[torpid jackal]

https://i.imgflip.com/a397ld.gif

[daring heron]

https://i.imgflip.com/a397ld.gif

[slow saddle]

https://i.imgflip.com/a397ld.gif

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-steal-fox-stealing-fox-stealing-steal-gif-7025286648669276799

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/spoingus-pass-the-tuna-down-gif-21178537

[pearl wind]

https://i.imgflip.com/a397ld.gif

[ivory harbor]

https://i.imgflip.com/a397ld.gif

[latent hull]

is this lfr

[tight fractal]

heroic loom

[slow saddle]

Nothing like playin with shitters🤣

[primal dune]

Every raid group I joined last night that complained about DPS I reminded them that they are below an arms warrior so get good

[slow saddle]

Though what gear u rockin

[slow saddle]

I also love puggin🤣, a real confidence booster

[primal dune]

So far the hardest boss in pugs has been fractulus, honourable mention to forge

[slow saddle]

Only killed 3 with guild so far

We basicly carrying ppl worse than pugs

But its fun

And that matters more

[primal dune]

I'm just learning ppl are ass at tetris

[slow saddle]

We cleared normal

And 3 hc not bad for going in semi blind and shit

4 hours. I think we spend, highly inefficient but hey, next week will be smooth af

[limber cove]

is the 8 % buff is enough forr arms ?

[lofty pulsar]

what’s best comp to blast? Does it matter as long as everything’s physical

[slow saddle]

No

[primal dune]

All that matters XD the tiers been fun in pugs for the most part

[slow saddle]

I prefer this 100times

Above goblins

[primal dune]

Think we're going up like 4-6 spots?

[slow saddle]

Y so still bwad

For arms to fuck

Col needs to be the spec for raid

[primal dune]

But hey I prefer to play the spec I like even if it's bad then meta chasing

[slow saddle]

Col with great st. Would ne good in amp

I stick to class

So fury atm

But if col was great. It would fuck adds and boss

In raid

Like fr would be awesome

Slayer juggernaut struggles on way to many bosses this tier

[hollow wave]

Can we delete skullsplitter?

[slow saddle]

No

It again would be awesome if tuned

Sev bosses have amp phases a sks send into those is nixøce

[hollow wave]

Me no like more buttons

[slow saddle]

Its so few wdym

But slayer arms im not touchin in raid exept for memes

Its just annoying to play

A world where we play spear as col, 😆

Again 1st swing of demo should be wb

[candid pecan]

man... 8% buff is cool and all

but could they maybe buff, this to 30%

and this to 8-10% per stack?

so we can finally feel not worthless in high keys when it comes to ST

[astral talon]

Ok I gotta ask

I did delve 8

Kyveza wanted to clap me

I clapped her

She dropped map

I did another delve

Dropped hero track swors

Sword

[slow saddle]

Gz

[candid pecan]

Gz

[astral talon]

Did it bug?

[slow saddle]

No

Map = hero

[astral talon]

Cuz someone told me maps shouldn't drop yet

[dim basalt]

It drops with journey level 2

[astral talon]

Which iirc i dont have

[slow saddle]

Also feels like i gotta dust off arms and try

[candid pecan]

[slow saddle]

Sadly our guild has 1 good elemental shaman

So he tops easily

[astral talon]

Ye i did like 4 delves lvl8 this tier tho

Started playing yesterday xD

[astral talon]

okay i do ahve it

didnt even notice lol

anyway, hero sword

[slow saddle]

Gotta craft sword insta next week

So id prob hold off upgrading

[winged obsidian]

damn, the arms are broken, why do we need this buff?

[hasty vault]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-about-that-paul-the-six-heres-the-thing-i-hate-to-bring-it-up-gif-24595764

[slow saddle]

Some dks that be bad?

[grave mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-barnacles-gif-27349480

[weak rain]

what is exact sim post buff?

[mortal rivet]

im gonna guess 8% higher

[proper atlas]

🤮

[astral talon]

nah im protting

crafted shield already

guild is deadge so dont needto do mythic raid

[manic vine]

arms viable now for m+ with the buff? and do i go slayer or demolish with new 4piece

[grave mulch]

if i remember its 5.822 from what one the contributors said?

[lean wraith]

cause i just got one 🙂

not sure if people are aware, i think blizz went back on the delvers bounty change

[mortal rivet]

Howso?

[lucid gull]

So what, you got a Map without being Delve Track 2?

[lilac mica]

Are we back?

[finite wasp]

kind of

but were not as shit as before

ret is still crying that the 5% wasnt good enough

now rets know how we feel every season

[spiral coral]

8% isn’t enough for arms, and it’s pathetically lazy

[lean wraith]

@mortal rivet @lucid gull wait what int he fuck

i am rank 2, im nearly rank 3

but i was just over rank 1 this morning

i havent done any delves

well, until the one that my bounty dropped in

how the hell, can you guys check if you guys are now rank 2?

maybe blizz boosted everyone

[remote talon]

they did

they gave credit for progress that was missing because bountiful delves weren't giving some of the progress they were supposed to and they supposedly also just gave everyone a certain flat amount as well

[brisk parcel]

this is tuesday or is this change live? Should i swap back to arms LOL

[lilac mica]

Its coming with reset

[mortal rivet]

they gave credit for the missing delves

wasn't sure what "reversed" was so figured I'd check

[lucid gull]

Oh yeah, true actually. I'm at 4.4k and I didn't even bother with Delves AT ALL since they introduced the weird Map Timegating

Or I guess more like Prog Gating, since you can technically rush it with an Alt Army afaik

[celest forge]

They buffed it. You only need 13 bountiful full clear delves now instead of 23

[lean wraith]

good that was a joke of a change

[honest ermine]

Im thinking the same lol

[summer elbow]

did we pair fury dmg now?

[balmy kindle]

tues

[orchid pulsar]

Are the build guides in the server for ARMs stll accurate right now?

Slayer is best for raid?

[sturdy hearth]

I'm losing my sanity, did 25 dungeons still no 2H

[orchid pulsar]

Do the timewalking raid. Managed to get a Hero 2H from Uld

[halcyon valve]

I got a 701 2h two days after i upgraded my shitty champion track 2h to 704
Wasted crests

[sturdy hearth]

Sadge, the game knows I swear

[sturdy hearth]

with Haste crit, nice

[latent hull]

5%

gotta ttake in to account trinkets

[mortal rivet]

True true

Hopefully we start beating ret so they can cry harder

[shadow ibex]

Give another 5

[frosty pike]

good morning sky boys we still making fun of rets today