play the class more
#arms
small carbon
play the class more
this has been my main class since mop....
i just havnt played much of TWW so im not entirely sure what the rotation is
boreal quartz
i just havnt played much of TWW so im not entirely sure what the rotation is
So ur not familiar
MoP war and this shit couldnt be further apart
(use Was it's sooo much easier)
small carbon
MoP war and this shit couldnt be further apart
thats just an example of how long ive played warrior, not how long since its been
boreal quartz
Ye but even if i dont play my guy for 2 patches i basically from 50% gameplay wise
Cuz keybinds n shit rarely changes
shadow ibex
get a weak aura to track your MFE and jug
mortal niche
MoP war and this shit couldnt be further apart
passive rend is so nice on mop 🙂
mortal niche
having my highest vault tier piece being a loss is..peak gameplay 
boreal quartz
having my highest vault tier piece being a loss is..peak gameplay <:sadge:820202...
Tier in vault is a huge W
Usually cant be a gain before getting a 2nd one from KSM tho
mortal niche
Tier in vault is a huge W
ok..but how is a champ tier (legs) a dps gain, but hero helm is a loss
both break 4pc
boreal quartz
Also df "passive" rend was better
boreal quartz
ok..but how is a champ tier (legs) a dps gain, but hero helm is a loss
Stats and compared ilvl
grave mulch
lets goooooo
boreal quartz
Dont pick at all, just wait for raid
boreal quartz
lets goooooo
Farmable
boreal quartz
W
slow saddle
How hard are 7s-10s in 685+ish
dim basalt
Not hard
sour forge
I’ve had awful luck with pugs today
heavy patio
super easy
minor gust
keys are super ez just blasting through 10s
strange perch
So what trinkets arms want this season ?
civic path
when do you replace the jastor diamond ?
dim basalt
So many questions a guide could answer
civic path
let's read the guide then
balmy kindle
when do you replace the jastor diamond ?
I replaced mine with a champ ring lol at 691 
Granted it was H track
gentle talon
zenith warren
grave mulch
Question. but I was curious for the slayer no rend build. would it be worth to go spear?
grave mulch
Thats fair i was just looking at it and thought about it! cheers bro
balmy kindle
Am I dumb to take hero tier chest instead of legs just for 0.4% gain
Just realised legs are not farmable
dim basalt
If you raid and have an option between two tier pieces you should wait until raid
balmy kindle
Ouch lol I actually had choice too between head and chest 
mortal niche
I should not have simmed by chars, big mistake
icy magnet
m+ for arms, Slayer AOE build is valid? any place that show the difference?
stuck pebble
PvE bois
I got a tier in vault, is there a way I can input a 2nd piece into my top gear so I can sim a 2p?
cloud gyro
thank fking god we are only A tier, i thought we would be lower
slow saddle
thank fking god we are only A tier, i thought we would be lower
We are d for dumpster
latent moss
in this tierliost sub rogue is below outlaw lmao
sub in the same tier as enha lmao
i would not trust this tier list in the slightest
latent hull
i would not trust this tier list in the slightest
yh its from skill capped they used to make pvp tier lists idk when they started making pve
zenith warren
heroic dimensius hard?
slow saddle
Nexus king is hard.
grave mulch
is it worth getting our 2 set ASAP? and breaking S2 4 set?
dim basalt
sim it
violet coral
in this tierliost sub rogue is below outlaw lmao
It’s also just missing survival lol
Oh nvm I’m just blind
🦮
clear rain
is raiding az col trollling?
dim basalt
kinda
narrow flax
does anyone have that reversed tierlist meme of arms being bottom (and thus being on top) by hand?
latent moss
its not actual that strong
latent moss
ye bro weak class as i said
didnt sandbag
but guys warlock should sim the highest cause they have no mobility and are punished very hard if they have to move
spiral coral
yeah takes super good players to play them well 
"our sims don't represent the player base"
wanton sierra
ok ill travel next week and when i get back i hope to see some buffs!
balmy kindle
=/ for colo it was 1% drop
grave mulch
yo wtf LMAO
balmy kindle
i shit you not, on my toon its a 1% drop to go 4P > 2p 2p
grave mulch
thats buns brother
shadow ibex
even in aoe?
thats gotta be an ST colossus sim
and if its an ST colossus sim well
trying to get blood from a stone atp
balmy kindle
testing slayer 
shadow ibex
i lost my 15 jug stack right before loom exe phase with 2pc
balmy kindle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cRbBhxZb5tdtuJhQGiGbwU
wow slayer actually gains on a m+ build
shadow ibex
doesnt feel like anything changed with the gameplay 🙃
cunning comet
Is that good
cunning comet
come keys bro
Im at w*rk 💔 soon i come...
latent moss
j*b
azure karma
looks nice in manaforge normal
cunning comet
No but thats only if youre a noob if youre good player you can be like affli lock
spiral coral
Bro the fuck did they do to fire mage good god
shadow ibex
nothing they just have 2 other specs
latent moss
holy powerful spec
heroic
xdd
surely just no one playing it right
no one playing warlocks either
spiral coral
Damn Pallys gotta be mad
shadow ibex
surely just no one playing it right
this is proof no one is playing this shit
shadow ibex
capitcal c
spring ruin
question arm/fury at what point should i switch out of old tier? have access to 2 piece for new set or is it not worth until i get 4 piece?
old urchin
question arm/fury at what point should i switch out of old tier? have access to ...
Simmed 2 piece last night and it was 480k dps increase. So ASAP
minor gust
It's just a meme warcraft log normal stat
shadow ibex
that's heroic
latent moss
Is this a specific fight or?
heroic overall
balmy kindle
you know its bad when peeps are on slayer doing bottom dps
vast helm
any Arms enjoyers?
shadow ibex
about 10 on fractal
civic path
can't get any invite, meanwhile my dk is instant inv
balmy kindle
any Arms enjoyers?
playing with friends, using slayer BL atm
colo is terrible unfor
shadow ibex
probably better and more geared players
wanton sierra
rock botton? now im krogtection
untold pewter
We shouldn't have complained about the Warbreaker animation dudes
We shouldn't have
slender urchin
worldly timber
does it worth use 2p - 2p or swap only when get all 4p?
balmy kindle
does it worth use 2p - 2p or swap only when get all 4p?
On colo its a net loss in dmg but on slayer theres a 8-9% gain
slayer actually outperforms colo in m+ now 
balmy kindle
The thing is if u raid then it really seems atm fury is the play lol
bitter escarp
everyone loving the new raid?
celest forge
So are we crafting a 2h this season or nah?
fast nebula
makes me feel good tho because the buffs for arms are inevitable
thick kelp
Are they tho
balmy kindle
surely
minor gust
plain latch
celest forge
Arms is still fine in keys
halcyon valve
any Arms enjoyers?
yes
balmy kindle
the no rend slayer build is surprisingly playable
unkempt wren
No more rend for slayer?
civic path
i don't want to play fury, it's a boring spe
fresh spire
we are believers
civic path
so guess i'll stay arms
fresh spire
civic path
eating my copium
sacred zodiac
we are believers
operation sandbag ends in a few days
latent moss
operation sandbag ends in a few days
🤫
sour forge
i don't want to play fury, it's a boring spe
Tb procs go brrrrr though
minor gust
operation sandbag ends in a few days
It ends?
flat willow
Actually I was planning on arms sucking all of season 3
So we could use it to be top of the charts next expansion
(for 2 weeks)
fresh spire
operation sandbag ends in a few days
wait for 15% buff, then we unleash the real tech
vast helm
we good ?
spiral coral
unkempt wren
Nah, put us on par with Aug. Its only fair
minor gust
It's first week logs that's what it is
They don't buff they only nerf first week logs
civic path
cannot compet against others DPS burst
too much setup for nothing
so
fdk here I come
tacit crystal
@reef glade
reef glade
you will detonate in your sleep
reef glade
spiral coral
how are we feeling arms gamers
Playing fury 
spiral coral
It’s not that I don’t, like fury it’s just, I like arms the mostest and it doesn’t deserve this
inner wasp
for certain members ..
spiral coral
Yellowers
thick kelp
sage bison
safe island
lol
glacial rapids
shadow ibex
inner wasp
what site is this again
latent moss
what site is this again
warcraftlogs
midnight kraken
lament elbow
teal fossil
has any major guild walked into mythic yet
vast helm
gusty nymph
Small Indy company…
lofty pulsar
slayer m+ any good?
calm isle
Is Skullsplitter only after you get 4 piece as collosus?
sturdy hearth
nah surely the reason arms is so dogshit they blatantly ignored it on the "last minute buffs/nerfs" is because we are getting a rework very soon
thick kelp
Is Skullsplitter only after you get 4 piece as collosus?
yes
sturdy hearth
calm isle
Thanks Armstroll
devout pewter
yes
So I just have to never get the new 4pc set if I don't want to use Skullsplitter, understood
thick kelp
So I just have to never get the new 4pc set if I don't want to use Skullsplitter...
Or play Slayer
devout pewter
But I'm not 5% bigger that way
thick kelp
Its about the motion of the ocean
lucid thicket
But I'm not 5% bigger that way
Your dps is better on Slayer
But then again when SMF mogs you it doesn't matter what you take as Arms does it
devout pewter
Who cares about dps? I wanna be BIG
lucid thicket
Then just use the appearance toy to look like a Bonechewer Behemoth and play a real build lmao
civic path
celest forge
Stat weights?
sacred zodiac
weapon dps > idk sim it
granite coral
ok slayer feels actually not terrible in m+
yeah its not bad
rapid bronze
Might actually be fun to do boss damage instead of getting dumpstered every other pull by a DK or a mage
gaunt owl
only 72 parses total rn 😔
Arms only has so few player
if its not the FOTM spec its always down low
halcyon valve
arms will always be one my one true love
rapid bronze
celest forge
Me
glacial rapids
azure karma
I use to play always arms unless its bottom 3
azure karma
oh, so when buffs are coming you go to fury?^^
shadow ibex
azure karma
i see it as a strike
if my boss pay me 10-15% less than i deserve, i will not work either^^
azure karma
that will cost money
anyways - this balancing isnt worth my effort
i play fury until its buffed
spiral coral
Tbh normal/lfr/low keys run whatever
manic egret
wtf with optimization? its worse and worse with every ssn? how much should pc cost to run 10y o engine?
latent moss
wtf with optimization? its worse and worse with every ssn? how much should pc co...
its more than double that
shadow ibex
Maybe when they kill weak auras no more lag
sacred zodiac
something is fundamentally wrong with the game when you go >20 players
not all their servers can handle it at least
latent moss
something is fundamentally wrong with the game when you go >20 players
iirc one of the maintainers of wa said that the engine is cooked in general
i forgot what it was but something regarding number calculation
and when u have a lot of people
it scales horribly
minor gust
just had a healer hold the whole key hostage because the first pull didnt go so great
dry pine
Hey folks! On the m+ slayer build that´s posted on the wowhead guide, why is blunt instruments taken over warbreaker? do we just fully embrace the "we´ll focus on bosses" part or is warbreaker simply less of a deal than I think?
spiral coral
just had a healer hold the whole key hostage because the first pull didnt go so ...
Oh god
My worst nightmare
teal fossil
Hey folks! On the m+ slayer build that´s posted on the wowhead guide, why is blu...
mix of A and B
minor gust
it was a petty off because he wanted to leave but didnt know how to abandon
so he waited out the whole key timer
dry pine
and spending no points on deft experience for the tactician reset wont starve us on rage either? I thought going execute heavy was kinda rage intensive
fresh spire
surely you can report that
dry pine
that´s just outright griefing lol
fresh spire
real
shadow ibex
Yea that's definitely actionable
spiral coral
Idc I’ll be taking screenshots and recordings and sending it to blizzard for griefing. Pretty sure there will be gms looking for this kinda stuff.
minor gust
surely you can report that
oh we did. Converted it to a raid and got the whole guild to report him
spiral coral
Sick
fresh spire
oh we did. Converted it to a raid and got the whole guild to report him
thats goated
minor gust
To be fair we could of voted to abandon but it was a mutual petty off
dry pine
oh is the voting thing already ingame?
minor gust
the way he was acting he was def a league of legends player
nova marsh
oh we did. Converted it to a raid and got the whole guild to report him
Fucking based
Shit like this makes we wonna not play keys thou. Fucking cringe
Aren't they griefing themselves just as much thou like really
meager vector
I'll gear up my shaman alt to heal and I'll just heal some all warrior keys.
spiral coral
I'll gear up my shaman alt to heal and I'll just heal some all warrior keys.
I need to like, play with healers. There has to be one that’s fun. I’ve only ever really tried priest and it was boring (to me).
flat willow
if its not the FOTM spec its always down low
sorry I don't remember the last time arms was FOTM
meager vector
Priest is the only class I have not ever touched. But I like how shaman feels. Very mobile, very good at maintaining constant heals. Not the best at big huge heals but I like it
I think arms "suffers" from being the most basic thematically "Its a guy with a big sword..." vs "A master of the arcane!" or "I sacrificed my eyes to jump around like a maniac on bath salts and shoot fire"
teal fossil
because other games dont have the legion video
flat willow
surely it's not that hard to design a big guy with a sword
shadow ibex
they usually magical
meager vector
Personally I love my big dumb orc with a big axe. He has 2 braincells and is wonderful
shadow ibex
like dragon knights or w/e the fuck is in ff
spiral coral
I don’t think arms nor fury are too basic thematically. I think they leave a lot for you to add in, and I think people like that about Warrior. You aren’t a devotee to something or a student of some arts. You’re just a a hero with some sword(s).
shadow ibex
and guild wars
teal fossil
darius is still the best arms warrior in any game
shadow ibex
wardens or sentinal or something
shadow ibex
man i played so much back breaker assassin in RA
flat willow
I mean, wow warrior also has magic shit
flat willow
avatar thunderclap and the whole mountain thane thing
meager vector
I liked the LoTR Online Captain class, it was kind of a warrior but you got a retainer you could command and not only did you hit things but you buffed your dude and your party
shadow ibex
yea i never thought of avatar as magical either
shadow ibex
just in universe ur an avatar of war for a bit
shadow ibex
cuz w/e the fuck u worship noticed u
teal fossil
(grow slightly and gain 20% dps)
flat willow
i mean, with that logic death knight isn't magic either
unholy frenzy?
you deal 20% more damage
shadow ibex
its orgin is unholy in nature tho
flat willow
nothing magic about it
teal fossil
not every cd needs to be interesting
shadow ibex
its right there in the name
teal fossil
but no CD arms has is interesting
flat willow
and what is the origin of avatar
shadow ibex
its supernatural by virtue of being unholy
teal fossil
but also, bland theme doesnt have to be bland gameplay
idk why people bring up theme
sullen ingot
Id take a cd that buffs character size over one that buffs dmg js
flat willow
and avatar is supernatural by virtue of turning your flesh into stone
teal fossil
and avatar is supernatural by virtue of turning your flesh into stone
thats not represented in gameplay in anyway, it doesnt give a DR even for prot lol
its crazy
flat willow
but yes, theme isn't important
I don't think anyone cares if warrior is magic or not
teal fossil
ik it gave HP and armor in wc3/hots
teal fossil
again i view it more as heightned reality
ya good way to put it
sacred zodiac
again i view it more as heightned reality
You literally turn to stone in the image of the Titans lmao its clearly titan magic
shadow ibex
You literally turn to stone in the image of the Titans lmao its clearly titan ma...
i would agree for stuff like dwarf and human yea
the source of their avatar would probably be titan inspired
idk if i would agree with the avatar of a zandalari
sacred zodiac
It (and thane) are the only magic parts of warrior though and the image of a non magic user being able to compete with magic users by sheer force of will is very cool thematically
sacred zodiac
idk if i would agree with the avatar of a zandalari
Every warrior is odyn touched shrug
flat willow
odyn didn't touch me
shadow ibex
i wonder if they would have handled warrior class hall differently considering where we went with odyn and the titans
flat willow
I don't care what you do in your free time but don't bring me into this
shadow ibex
like odyn is very much a bad guy in wow now i wouldnt be surprised if we killed him if they didnt forget him after DF
flat willow
tbh I like odyn, the guy is an asshole but he has style
sacred zodiac
i wonder if they would have handled warrior class hall differently considering w...
Idk the same no we very much took a stance against odyn with vyranoth unless im missing what u mean
flat willow
I just hate that everything about the legion class hall was vrykul themed
out of all the cool weapons we could have had, we get 3 no name vrykul swords + a new no name troll killing sword
but we already had a troll killing sword
give me a little gorehowl, a little shalamayne idk
shadow ibex
we shoulda got axe of cenarius
that was a major fumble imo
the lore was right there broxigar was even in legion wasnt he
void bay
Broxigar sounds like a cleaning product
void bay
"MOM! THE DOG SHAT ON THE FLOOR AGAIN!! WHERE IS THE BROXIGAR??"
meager vector
"It fell into a time portal and is fighting ancient evils!"
shadow ibex
Broxigar sounds like a cleaning product
noble pivot
Is arms good for raiding
sour forge
No
sour forge
6 of you playing an alt
shadow ibex
spiral coral
grave mulch
sour forge
Yes
sour forge
As is your right
grave mulch
Pog!
shadow ibex
no one is allowed to pla yarms from this moment onward
sour forge
Can’t have more that 13
noble pivot
Uhhhh does arms wanna go slayer for raids
grave mulch
yes
noble pivot
Epic
fierce inlet
Uhhhh does arms wanna go slayer for raids
arms wants to go fury for raids :p
grave mulch
its arms or bust for me.
fierce inlet
lmao
nah fair tho, I prefer arms, I am just doing noticibly more dam as fury in my current gear
the second I have 4p and some more gear its back to arms if possible
grave mulch
Like arm will get buffed. theres no way they leave it in its current state
noble pivot
Maybe they'll get buffed soon
fierce inlet
Like arm will get buffed. theres no way they leave it in its current state
Yeah I hope not
glacial rapids
untold pewter
I tried fury a bit today, yeah nah, I'll make arms work or the team will have to carry their raid leader for once
void bay
I tried fury a bit today, yeah nah, I'll make arms work or the team will have to...
Switch to Pres Evoker like Revvas
gusty nymph
I tried fury a bit today, yeah nah, I'll make arms work or the team will have to...
You and I both 😇
shadow ibex
granted its like .2% but kinda funny my fury set up with imp ww and MC beats full ST arms
celest forge
My arms ST is simming 3.63 to fury's 3.76. It's so over armbros
wooden lava
Yo these disgusting paycheck thieves at blizzard better cook up the mother of all buffs to arms
If I go to the forums and see that mf grell write some more dumb shit to suck off blizz
I'm gonna lose it
We give feedback during ptr, blizz doesn't listen
People complain about the state of arms
Nothing happens
flat willow
well so basically it's because nobody gives a shit about arms
wooden lava
Whichever monkey got assigned the responsibility of watching over Arms and make sure it functions as a spec
Has failed so spectacularly for 3 tiers straight
flat willow
Whichever monkey got assigned the responsibility of watching over Arms and make ...
that would be no one
wooden lava
It's miraculous that they even have a job
flat willow
you really think blizzard has a dev asigned for each spec?
they probably don't even have a dev asigned to just warrior
wooden lava
Ofc not, I assume some guy just oversees a number of classes
But holy shit, what is happening w this spec
It must be the same guy overseeing enhance and ret
spiral coral
nothing
flat willow
well that's one of my favorite subject
so you see, in bfa blizzard really wanted every ability to be on the gcd
but battlecry couldn't be on the gcd so they said colossus smash is battlecry and overpower is colossus smash
and arms never recovered
glacial rapids
It must be the same guy overseeing enhance and ret
Ret and Enh has had so much love over the past year or two. Whatchu on about?
flat willow
of course since then they realized that every ability being on the gcd made no sense and the game wasn't fun, but they never bothered to roll back the awful arms changes 😔
wooden lava
Look at the chart, they're dumpster tier rn
What I don't get is how arms has been piss every tier
Ret had their time in the limelight
So did enhance
If we exclude the fake season (DF s4), then arms hasn't been good since aberrus
glacial rapids
Woke police at Blizz dont like Arms bro splits?
wooden lava
Almost 5 tiers worth of absolute piss mediocrity
glacial rapids
Thing is most people in here would be happy just to sit in middle of the pack. Not even top tier.
wooden lava
We're so down bad that we ask for mediocrity
flat willow
most people would like a full rework
mortal niche
sweeping strikes even on a half gcd is archaic as balls now
wooden lava
Fucking dk has been on top of the world for this entire expansion
flat willow
didn't frost dk get reworked twice in the war within
wooden lava
Fury got gutted within a few weeks of s1
mortal niche
"gutted"
wooden lava
Arms saw the light for about two seconds in s2
Then it gets smacked over the head w/ a hammer
flat willow
I mean at least you could explain the fury nerfs, even if you disagreed with them
arms getting nerfed 5 times in season 1
mortal niche
it was short term thinking, reactionary
wooden lava
Yeah, at least a good fury player could output good DPS even after nerfs
flat willow
and them doing it again with prot and colossus
mortal niche
it saddens me to play more bladestorm as fury
than as arms
is that what we've become
ravager merchants
wooden lava
Arms wasn't doing too hot, then a massive execute nerf
mortal niche
execute has been a noodle
wooden lava
For the class centered around execute
mortal niche
for like..5xpacs now
wooden lava
That primarily plays a hero talent based on execute
I don't get it
If I was as bad at my job as the warrior dev is
I'd be homeless rn
flat willow
talking about execute
let me tell you, unholy has a nice execute phase
without gutting the entire spec either, what a wonderfully designed class
wooden lava
The worst part about that WCL graph
mortal niche
what does blizzard even considers arms' iconic ability
wooden lava
Its only gonna get worse once people have tier
mortal niche
I thought it was bladestorm but idk
wooden lava
what does blizzard even considers arms' iconic ability
Ms
mortal niche
maybe historically
flat willow
what does blizzard even considers arms' iconic ability
I don't think blizzard considers arms
wooden lava
Bro at this point I'll cast rampage as arms if it actually lets me do dmg
flat willow
rampage animation with 1 weapon would go hard
mortal niche
feel like my brain is going to fall off the rails playing fury
flat willow
without the disgusting cast
mortal niche
because
wooden lava
Non rage spender abilities btw
mortal niche
swapped prot for a dung yday, and they run a passive ravager talent
wooden lava
Literally no one bothers w it
wooden lava
Bro if I'm a bulking giant swinging a sword as my main attack
sour forge
Only cause it procs super often
wooden lava
And my entire hero talent identity is centered around casting more of that channeled ability
I played during the CN days
mortal niche
can it atleast do damage
wooden lava
So I know how bad it gets
mortal niche
like the trade off to a channel should be damage
wooden lava
The only thing keeping me from stamping this iteration of arms as the worst EVER
mortal niche
(totally didnt die in hoa during the channel and taking a stone statue to the face)
wooden lava
Is because colossus in keys is pretty nice
wooden lava
Everything about arms has somehow been devolving, it doesn't make sense
Execute damage is barely there
Ability to spend rage is almost non existent
mortal niche
idk if I'm potato as I didnt play last tier
but rage capped with nothing to do with it
is..normal?
spiral coral
Streets gonna be my first key of the season lets go
wooden lava
Arms used to be a great spec centered around decision making with limited resources
mortal niche
Streets gonna be my first key of the season lets go
I already have a strong hatred for it
now the group was bad, but the 5boss timer is..
not it
spiral coral
Should be at 2k in a couple hours lets get it
wooden lava
Now resources don't matter
spiral coral
I'm gonna do Arms until I feel like I'm getting gapped in meters
sour forge
Streets is ass
mortal niche
I'm gonna do Arms until I feel like I'm getting gapped in meters
it's not already happening?
celest forge
Streets gonna be my first key of the season lets go
Just slog through a completion so you can get another key. It's that bad.
Timer is way too tight and bosses are not near each other in difficulty, plus the pulls have lots of partywide damage in them
mortal niche
Streets I can see getting time added
wooden lava
5 boss dungeon was definitely a choice
shadow ibex
the dungeon feels like fuckin ever
and there's so many lil event shit or mini bosses
glass drift
is this slayer build with execute focus actually good?
rare kite
is this slayer build with execute focus actually good?
hahah no
nothing arms does is good
glacial rapids
void bay
nothing arms does is good
shadow ibex
RNG aoe
glacial rapids
are we bothering with a cleave build for Forgeweaver?
shadow ibex
surely nothing will go wrong
balmy kindle
Streets is bad and ovetuned
balmy kindle
is this slayer build with execute focus actually good?
It's decent at least compared to Colossus, Colo is terrible atm
glass drift
we are expecting a decent buff tho?
void bay
we are expecting a decent buff tho?
shadow ibex
gotta start somewhere
rare kite
we are expecting a decent buff tho?
i bet it will be 3-5%
glass drift
and arms is currently like bottom for m+?
rare kite
for m+ i wouldn't say bottom, but certainly not good. for raid bottom yes
big poopoo
massive kaka doodoo
shadow ibex
m+ feels very meh
manic rover
Idk those descriptions still seem to high for arms rn 😞
flat willow
You can be middle of the pack in aoe and do the worst boss damage in the game on bosses
So yeah i'd call arms top 3 worst spec for m+ too
balmy kindle
Slayer in m+ feels ok with the set pieces but still underwhelming
flat willow
And top 1 worst spec in the raid, good job arms
shadow ibex
i refuse to play that slayer abomination in aoe
balmy kindle
I want to play Colo but it's so bad atm
shadow ibex
feels just like last tier only other classes got better
balmy kindle
Like it's ridiculous how removing rend and just becoming Beyblade is better
shadow ibex
im not using sks tho
balmy kindle
Same, but the default battelord Colo build just does very low dmg atm
The slayer build is kinda better now unfortunately, at least one can cosplay as discount havoc
glacial rapids
Are we running m+ build for the DH council?
balmy kindle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fmW284qcQpbiu5pXu98n8z
For anyone looking to do m+, Colo Sims higher on 5T but realistically your dmg gonna be terrible even with 2P+2P
worldly kernel
is arms really that cooked I haven't been on wow in a while
balmy kindle
Colosuss is very cooked
shadow ibex
is arms really that cooked I haven't been on wow in a while
its gotta be a contender for worst dps
balmy kindle
Surely we get big compensation buffs by week 3
balmy kindle
Don't you like it ? Pandering to 100 guys Vs making everyone else happy
worldly kernel
I quit playing when they announced s2 and i've just been on counterstrike the whole time, i'm watching friends play keys, and a warrior I used to talk to started full time furying and he said the same thing lol
shadow ibex
Don't you like it ? Pandering to 100 guys Vs making everyone else happy <:keks:9...
a guildie mentioned it during a key and yea pretty silly we all have to wait for more tuning until some event for a handful ends
warped spade
its gotta be a contender for worst dps
contender with what? slayer vs colossus?
tight heart
What should I be using the enchanted runed crest from killing dimensius on?
unkempt wren
A better class
minor gust
What should I be using the enchanted runed crest from killing dimensius on?
the off piece embelishment
sullen ingot
wait for crest transfers, maybe a rogue?
tight heart
strong mental
clear rain
whats the highest dps / ez to min max dps spec that i can play
im a prot player
but i dont like raid tanking
i always dps raids
balmy kindle
Dev flameshaper maybe
Very ez, brain dead rotations and does ton of aoe and ST damage
spiral coral
whats the highest dps / ez to min max dps spec that i can play
Slayer fury
balmy kindle
He wants max DPS though
mortal niche
I want to play Colo but it's so bad atm<:deadge:900279927138578432>
demolish only kills you not them
balmy kindle
It works on prot though
mortal niche
not tried prot yet, thunder feels good idk
balmy kindle
^^ prot shows blizz can actually streamline both war DPS specs
It's a matter of whether they want or not
shadow ibex
yea its disappointing seeing them iterate on on everything but our 2 dps specs
balmy kindle
Best part when colo prot >> arms
shadow ibex
legion remix formally announced before dance of death rework
balmy kindle
Who knows, we get FR back
slow saddle
nah i dont mean outside of warrior
Fr look at sims?🤣, arms is atm the worst spec in game + has worse game play than fury
lofty pulsar
I haven’t felt the arms doom at all tbh
balmy kindle
I was optimistic until I went into a 10 key as Colo
smoky berry
my ele alt, is new main now. atleast untill tuning
I can accept arms being shit, aslong as they dont kill prott. That spec is so funn!
smoky berry
not tried prot yet, thunder feels good idk
its so funn!
fresh spire
balmy kindle
my ele alt, is new main now. atleast untill tuning <:sadge:820202363359854633>
...
Bruh Colo arms is competing with prot ATM , and prot probably does more damage
minor gust
it was sub last tier now its our turn
balmy kindle
Iirc sub got buffed big time tho through s2
By turbo the spec was like mid upper, granted at that point raid is on farm mode
minor gust
Sub didnt get any buffs throughout S2 it was ignored
smoky berry
Bruh Colo arms is competing with prot ATM <:keks:936231610850897992> , and prot ...
gona show up raid, to dps as prott. new meta
balmy kindle
Pretty sure Colo prot if geared and played well will handily beat a ton of normie DPS
balmy kindle
Ah that explains
shadow ibex
3k hits
so no one touched adds
thats a fight they are gonna scrub add dmg from or smthing huh
vast helm
shadow ibex
just need 4pc for 4mil arms sim
balmy kindle
How is slayer 4pc, if anyone has it
gaunt owl
holy
icy magnet
so arms bad this patch? or it's a meme :x
dim basalt
so arms bad this patch? or it's a meme :x
Do you think this channel would meme about it for weeks if it wasnt actually bad?
sacred zodiac
Do you think this channel would meme about it for weeks if it wasnt actually bad...
masters of sandbagging
dim basalt
Aint warlocks
fresh spire
astral yarrow
i am forever scarred from playing with an MM hunter and Assa rogue for a week
latent moss
i am forever scarred from playing with an MM hunter and Assa rogue for a week
xdd
balance is cooked this patch
cloud gyro
<:blast:1248120836813226099>
plsssss dont furypost 😭
copper swan
Well thank you tw i can peacefully wait for saladar mace
wicked harness
+6334 Force
copper swan
unkempt wren
Heh, guildie currently complaining about Demo lock nerfs. If only I could link them our channel xD
unkempt wren
Dem parsez
halcyon valve
<:blast:1248120836813226099>
What are these abilities? Its not arms thats for sure
grave mulch
I got boots
Grats brother!!! 😄
grave mulch
Naaaaa still goatted bro! we had 2 drop and our sister guild had 4
lucid thicket
But im fury coz i must
Always breach containment
Arm must always cry about being bad
lucid thicket
I mean, Fury is right there
slow saddle
Yeah
Only no burst
Is sad when we got amp bosses
With some ad shit
Had it been season 3 fury from df
We wouldda fuuucked
wanton sierra
krogtection!
slow saddle
Whats up with afflo seems rly strong on sev bosses🤣
sacred zodiac
Did normal tonight. Out there repping arms
what did you parse on dimensius to have an 85.1 avg with those parses
spiral coral
I've gotten asked twice in two different groups. "why are you playing arms"
thick kelp
spiral coral
I 100% believe the one week of Arms Dead gifs made an impact
thick kelp
Might have smth to do with every tierlist in existance rating arms as aug tier
but aug isnt even this bad
spiral coral
I'ma save every details meter up to 2kish, I don't see myself getting gapped
thick kelp
what did you parse on dimensius to have an 85.1 avg with those parses
0 and 0 prolly 
grave mulch
what did you parse on dimensius to have an 85.1 avg with those parses
we havent done him yet
last saddle
Nerf fury
valid walrus
I don't get why arms is so behind this tier, season 2 felt good
teal fossil
I don't get why arms is so behind this tier, season 2 felt good
Numbers tuned low
That’s all
A lot of wow is really just numbers
valid walrus
I get that, but we didn't get nerfed... Did all other classes get buffed so much more?
wooden lava
I don't get why arms is so behind this tier, season 2 felt good
Shit design
Shit tuning
0 oversight from a competent dev
No PTR advice acted upon
valid walrus
wooden lava
Complete lack of vision in regards to the changes, for both specs tbh
weak rain
Arms has 0 scaling nowdays
wooden lava
Let me know when you play test of might
weak rain
so it will always get behind without tunning
wooden lava
Or Reckless Abandon for Fury
Also smf being a real talent node that has existed for years is a joke in and of itself
Arms talent tree is such a disgusting mess
Our premiere single target spec
Is built in a way that battle lord will almost never be taken
We can't spend rage
The new tier is absolutely WORTHLESS
There is no coherency in what we do
Our execute damage is somehow barely beating fury
Also we did get nerfed
The execute nerfs last tier basically sealed the deal on what was gonna be a barely passing spec
They didn't even wait until we got to livr and see the results
Just knee jerk nuked execute from orbit
forest perch
Blizzard hates warriors having fun 😭
wooden lava
And every time I go to see if any real feedback is given on the wow forums
That brainlet Greil is sucking off blizz
Yeah idk
It's hopeless
Just go reroll frost
It's more arms than arms
spiral coral
I mean. If arms were just buffed right now, outside of jugg I’d be happy.
wooden lava
Play windwalker, it's also more arms than this
spiral coral
Would rather play rogue
wooden lava
Multiple class tuning passes
bitter escarp
wooden lava
Not a freaking bread crumb thrown to us
spiral coral
I mean, I agree with you. I think most of us are just, tired.
glacial rapids
Wasn't DK just as worthless like 2 seasons ago? It's all a roulette. Either play a pure dps class with choices or love what you got.
spiral coral
Gave up and went to fury
wooden lava
Everyone has
spiral coral
^kinda how I feel with mmos
wooden lava
I played a damn near perfect fractilus fight yesterday
Still ended up behind a fury warrior
wooden lava
I wish blizz would tune some of these paycheck thieves
bitter escarp
just play no rend
wooden lava
Wasn't DK just as worthless like 2 seasons ago? It's all a roulette. Either play...
So what
Dk has been THE premiere melee this entire expansion
teal fossil
I get that, but we didn't get nerfed... Did all other classes get buffed so much...
thats all it is for the game
wooden lava
Fury came close to tasting that and it just got nuked
teal fossil
some classes get buffed more than others
spiral coral
Was there a dk in last rwf lol
Cause I remember a post about how dks were left to rot
And then DK @ing their entire discord
valid walrus
Didn't think we'd scale this horribly
wooden lava
Yeah idc what those crybabies have to say
wooden lava
They collectively threw a shit fit because blizz said grips were raid buff
Then conveniently skipped over them doing omega damage
That's still top tier after several nerfs
valid walrus
They collectively threw a shit fit because blizz said grips were raid buff
Tbh that's a BS statement from blizzard
wooden lava
Like I'm geared to the teeth rn
And I'd be doing my entire guild a disservice with all the loot I got
By playing this dumpster fire of a spec
Because someone fell asleep at the wheel when it comes to doing bare minimum tuning
That's unacceptable
latent hull
Wasn't DK just as worthless like 2 seasons ago? It's all a roulette. Either play...
bro dk has been meta whole season
wooden lava
Enhance somehow gets looked at
forest perch
Its just a number tuning issue, I just want to feel execute being a bit more enjoyable to press
wooden lava
And we get nothing?
latent hull
bro dk has been meta whole season
whole expansion
last time warrior was good in dungeons was s2 df i feel
or well s1 tww but yknow cant have warriors doing dmg got nerfed in 1 week
wooden lava
Colossus felt decent last tier, maybe a bit comp dependent
But as long as we get hamstrung by target caps, we'll always be doodoo
unkempt wren
Col did fine. Nothing special, some good rng crits could feel nice and it was viable. But thats too much to ask this season I suppose? XD
wooden lava
I've been in prot jail this week so I haven't been able to test Colo, is it looking bad
spiral coral
last time warrior was good in dungeons was s2 df i feel
I loved s3 arms
This version of col with sks resembles it a bit
forest perch
Yeah being able to use sks again is refreshing
I just wish the slayer 4pc woulda let execute proc reap instead of overpower
Would of feel better especially when it aligns with the 2pc bonus 😭
wooden lava
The only nice thing I can say about the tier set is that it may potentially save us from bad juggernaut rng
That's it
I spent hours trying diff talent builds and sitting on the dummy in PTR
And none of it felt particularly great
granite coral
I loved s3 arms
S3 DF arms was amazing
I’ve been playing with the slayer M+ spec it’s not terrible
It’s kinda fun not having to rend
wooden lava
Idk if I have bad memory or what
But wasn't s3 df arms like consistently bad during prog
granite coral
S3DF you didn’t have to really worry about rend because execute casted thunderclap
wooden lava
I remember I played fury for everything except volcoross and Grove keeper
wooden lava
I don't get tom hate
I loved it in bfa with ashvane trinket
And I loved it in Aberrus too
weak rain
same
forest perch
Yeah ToM is great, but too much reliance on overpower right now as slayer, I can see it good in col if we can dump rage well
wooden lava
I felt it was a callback to the older days or proper rage management and playing ur Tom windows
forest perch
That was when its good
wooden lava
My friend put me onto tech in Aberrus where u get blessing of summer and PI in execute phase
And take off
Like 50%+ tom
Back to back
Turned sarkareth into a pile of mush
weak rain
right now its just literally zug zug damage spec
wooden lava
That iteration of arms is 100x better than anything we have had this entire expansion
wooden lava
Didn't we get like some pity 5% aura buff?
teal fossil
Didn't think we'd scale this horribly
scaling isnt a thing anymore
if you are being serious about it
forest perch
Our set bonus just isnt that great to help us overall
wooden lava
Yeah arms felt so much more constrained by hero talents than fury
forest perch
Just gotta make due with what we have and hopefully a good class dev shows up for next xpac
wooden lava
Being locked into bladestorm kills our potential to take battlelord or fatal mark
forest perch
Fatal mark needs a buff imo
hazy flower
Fatal mark is shit
wooden lava
If we weren't enslaved by slayer
hazy flower
Loses value in any MT scenario
wooden lava
Arms mightve had a chance at being decent
They could just tune it well enough that it's a valuable talent on patchwerk fights
But we can't even get that
forest perch
Fatal mark should give us a buff once used like we get +10% mastery or something, it feels like a waste point so far down
teal fossil
Fatal mark should give us a buff once used like we get +10% mastery or something...
that would be a good idea but that shoehorns the profile further into execute
im assuming youd want 10% mastery for the rest of the fight
forest perch
Yup
teal fossil
the problem is, what happens if there are adds
so you consume 3-4 fatal marks
you could just make it not stack
so thatll probably be fine
forest perch
Yeah if its not stackable
teal fossil
but yeah goes back to the problem of shoehorning yourself into execute
forest perch
Or put fatal mark somewhere middle of the treee
teal fossil
i would rather they just crank up fatal mark
rapid bronze
I got that forgotten star trinket last night and holy shit is it good
those buffs were massive
teal fossil
the underlying purpose of fatal mark is that its a fake execute talent
its not supposed to give more damage in execute
summer elbow
guys what if i enjoy more arms than fury? i mean i like big hits and execute dmg.. Is fury so ahead ? thanks
wooden lava
Yeah it's a game, ur choices are your own
summer elbow
but are we that behind? ST and AOE? this is for m+
wooden lava
Yes
lucid thicket
but are we that behind? ST and AOE? this is for m+
SMF does more damage than Arms
summer elbow
Arms doesnt have big hits
i mean big one hits like MS or the las hit from demolish
valid walrus
Pug life as arms this season will be rough then
wooden lava
If enhance hadn't been nuked from Orbit, arms would be the worst spec and nothing would be even close
lucid thicket
Pug life as arms this season will be rough then
You will be told to play Fury (if taken)
flat willow
Alright so basically arms is the worst st spec in the game and the mythic+ build forces you to lose a lot of ST to be allowed to aoe
If you follow the Logic that means you'll do tank damage on the bosses of your m+
lucid thicket
Imagine wanting to play a spec that gets mogged by Aug
wooden lava
Arms also has significantly less survivability in keys compared to mountain thane fury
It's one advantage - execute, is no longer a thing
The tier set is not very good aside from patching a poorly designed juggernaut talent
I feel that it's kinda hopeless to drag arms' corpse around and inconvenience your guildies or your party if you're doing challenging content
If you're chilling in heroic raid or weekly 10s, you are free to do as you like
lucid thicket
wooden lava
My biggest fully stacked jug exe crits were like a joke yesterday
rapid bronze
are you supposed to play mountain thane without the 4 set?
wooden lava
Wrong channel
rapid bronze
people were saying mountain thane is more survivable than arms, so I was asking if it's even something you're supposed to play early in the season
rapid bronze
I honestly feel pretty safe playing as arms in keys up to 10, spell damage in particular
wooden lava
Ofc, 10s aren't necessarily challenging content
U only struggle if u don't press defensives
Arms has decent survivability
It's just the Mt tree specific talents that can give u bonus health
So pressing impending victory acts as a personal rally
gloomy granite
can someone explain to me why the wowhead guide for Arms slayer m+ build is without the bleeding?
wooden lava
U mean business as usual
wooden lava
shadowlands S1 in Castle Nathria
imo the single worst iteration of arms to ever exist
it was unsalvageable
candid pecan
Denathrius was decent but only because you could CONDEMN cleave off the sword.. 