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its more ST since our bleeds are baseline bad
so you take advantage of the new slayer tier and benefit more from Jugg in aoe + ST
and with OP buffs scattered in to our slayer tier, dreadnaught gains value to help boost your aoe further
makes sense
So running slayer for m+ is ok? Or is demo too much ahead in aoe?
I mean running arms in m+ is a meme
Fully st arms spec sims 200k above thane i think
So fury is better atm?
Yes
After new 4p
Fdk with 1 button rotation, can prob almost beat arms in st
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I checked, damn
link?
its from 2018 
🤣🤣🤣
some people just want to hurt others
never stop coping, never stop believing
I already told my raiders that I will officially be the Bench line this season, hard enforced.
i wont get benched because im the only warrior player in the roster rn
I gave up my tank spot because I wanted to play arms for a season 
damn unlucky timing
Guess im still tanking keys, lmao
actually, get it twisted, arms will get buffed after a week or two of the season when blizzard realises the spec is underperforming, never give up on your dreams
many such cases
(i have played arms for 20 years, i will never give in)
class fantasy big sword smack
amen
Besides if I pop defensives and kill my other dps with mechanics, I can pad in execute and still look good
in you there are two arms warriors, the copium huffer and the gif poster
@midnight mural opener POV

YEAAAH BUDDYYY
Should have to verify your arms before being able to post in arms
I heard we are getting buffed my uncle works at blizzard
He is the milk fridge guy
This gif is fantastic
back to udk
My raid team already has 3 dks and 2 warriors but warriors are green parsers so imma scoop that tier set up
is arms good now?
I hope those are fake arms and not injections.
Bro, thats an all natural, vegan body builder.
A whole new generation of arms warriors will get to see what it was like during CN
Very excited for them
ballons arms!! lol
Castle Nathria 
signet RNG, no reck procs on pull = GG, once boss drops below 80% you stop playing the game 
at 35% you resume playing the game
it was horrible
ye i agree, that signet gamble was not very fun
Is there a specific point to break the old tier set or is it just "sim it until it tells you to"?
LOL
The answer to gear questions is to always sim
Manaforge gonna give it a run for it's money atp
If Arms are swole heavy lifters. Does that make Rogues our calisthenics cousins? 
Pilates practitioners
Yeah and monks are acrobatic buddies
Any nerf is just an additional weight to make us stronger in the long run
Parkour pals
How far is slayer behind colossus in m+?
dookie style
Depends
depends what you consider behind
Do you want the sim diff or the diff accounted for when you're gonna constantly loose jugg and do no damage
Slayer is not far behind in AOE but significantly ahead on ST
If I was playing arms In key I would prob be playing slayer
....fr?
no I made up that screenshot

wtf is colossus art
bleed node vs 1 vs many
I would have not believed colossus to surpass slayer in st
Ok nice
Give demolish a 200% damage multipler and make it always crit if it only hits one target
boom
Slayer dead
Actually I could see the always crit on single target
PvP would be fun for a day
Hahaha why not?
Because pvp players still play wow
Despite pvp getting shit on constantly
Idk why they like it still
100% buff col to be the better raid choice
cool skins and mounts
....ehhh fair
if only
Tbh I feel like my idea of added damage to ST Demo like a garanteed crit would help colossus out a bit
Maybe even add yet more crit damage to demo or smth in st, idk
Plenty easy to make demo strong in pve without a pvp hit. Demolish gains 100% increased crit chance vs non-player characters if it hits 1 target. Scaling that doesn't hurt pvp with room for scaling to gear
my idea is another prot nerf
For ST
Na
Do fury too
Blizzard LOVESSS nerfing fury
yes
-Blizzard probally
If you cannot defeat Kyveza, do not bother showing up to raid. This boss is a baseline mechanics check. If you cannot handle mechanics while maintaining a strong DPS or HPS rotation, you will only drag the group down on the harder fights ahead.
This is not optional. This is not “just a warm-up boss." This is the fight that tells us whether you can balance your gameplay fundamentals aka: awareness, movement, uptime, and performance but all at once. If you fail here, you will fail later.
If you can't be bothered to put in the hours to grind this fight, you are disrespecting the other 26 players on this roster who are putting in the work. This is a preparatory fight for a multi-week raid, and it requires commitment. If you can't commit now, you won't commit later.
You all said you wanted to improve as a raid and get a better ranking. That doesn't start with someone else carrying you, it starts with you improving your own gameplay. If you can't do that, you're dead weight. And yes, I'm talking to you, you slug.
And before anyone even thinks about saying, "my class isn't designed for this encounter" fucking save it. I've seen hundreds of Chinese VODs of Kyveza beaten on every single spec and every single hero talent combination possible. The fight is beatable. The capability exists. The only difference between them and you is execution and effort. So here's the bottom line: Beat Kyveza before raid night, or don't show up.
Best copy pasta
ngl I was talking to a guildie about this
Last chance for someone to save us, we coping harder than ever tonight boys or we posting some coffins
Kyzezza on ?? should be a requirement to enter the raid on mythic
that fight is so much fun
my raid leader posted the meme in our discord for people to do it 😄

I honestly feel like this the same as people saying for mage tower compleition for keys
i just think people wont have time to do it and then you end up going into mythic with 10 people
But I genuinely imagine people doing this from now on
They got a lot of positive feedback from Kyveza, maybe they can work with that
also first one wasnt even possible week 1 unless you abused brann tanking the boss
Kyveza delve fight was awesome and every patch should have something like her
if they gonna make a kyvessa like boss every time now they have their mage tower 2.0
I never did the other two cuz I dont care about mounts but watched Crit do Kyveza and that shit looked like so much fun
so intense
I actually liked Zekvir for the most part
had to do it myself even tho I think the mounts all look like garbage
aside from the....really stupid interrupts
underpin ruined my hopes for delve bosses
Underpin was blizzard trolling us
that was the worst thing ever created
Idk about that chief
and i only did it so i could complain without people saying skill issue
Nah Underpin was genuinely an abomination
Oh yes I agree there
Underpin was so bad I just refused to do it
But the worst fight blizzard ever made or single thing....
Im hoping we get a better mount next expac ngl
not getting uptime
The footballs you needed to click were the size of a single fucking pixle
This flying machine is so damn ugly
And the boss covered them up for 90% of the fight
the only real mechanic of underpine is kicking balls that you can't kick half the time because of the boss' fat ass
yeah basically
and you couldnt ignore the adds cause every one had a dot which would ramp with each add
I rember trying to kite him
interact keybind prob went hard on that fight
lel
the boss has a really fat ass
nothing to salvage about the underpine
Even his build up was so cringe
it was easy as fuck too, the only difficulty of the fight is how bad blizzard's ui is
when you get a bad overlap and he does the shield thing in some bombs cause he never moves
so then he heals
kill me
Actually
Complaint about both zek and underpin
Fuck bosses healing
...does Princcess heal too?
imagine if you didnt have to kick balls and the lines on the ground would ramp up the longer the fight went on
and its pure ST boss
it would have been 100000000% better
no
no
She just oneshots with anything that hits you
but i think its the first delve boss where everything oneshots
you could live once if you fuck up
I don't even think you lived most of that shit with a defensive.
but kyvessa needs a cheat death to do that
Zekvir's only problem was a crap arena
If at all
Ngl Kyvessa sounds fun.
It's a shame I lusted through it on my shaman and deleted 30% of his healthbar in 40 seconds
i mean after i beat it i went back and did it for a second time cause of how fun it was
exactly my point
should have started that at 50%
Yeah that wouldve made zekvir much better
Phase 2 was a good burn phase
i think a huge part of kyvessa was also that she was a good raid boss
so they just took a good boss and made it a single player one
Low effort but kinda in a good way
in the best way
So guys what's other specs in wow are piano specs besides frost and arms
mm
Is sub still downbad?
druids
Damn shame im not raiding
I like transmog, thank yo7
its supr good in m+ too, but assa is just
boomy, astral form
Technically ret can be a piano spec IF you're playing it to the fully extent
ret in PvE = Lul - ret in PvP = so many fucking macros
Survival too
100%
Damn
Might be behind fury in m+
Survival is actually fun though I just stopped playing in in S1 because I got tired of worrying about holes
Hows it depressing
So what
Its actually a well designed spec
If not the best designed spec in the game
I would be if my guild didn't need War raid buff
Nobody plays SV because all hunters are ranged cucks
And have to hide behind skillless specs
Survival actually plays a lot like Arms atm
Well I can verify that, MM and BM are insanely easy
So is surv though, easy min max
How long is the server maint
tomorrows?
2000 hours
“4 hours”
Yeah tomorrow
See above
Omg
Teaznik wtf he is called dk theorycrafyer
Has to be high
Fdk high btier for raid?
And uh he put last jesus
So much sandbagging
Arms dead gang gang got tired


Surely buffs tonight 
Man I forgot about ratge

Expect no buffs, be happy relieved if buffed VS Expect buffs, be
when no buffs
scroll down to aug 11
Welp see yall in two weeks
🤠
where are the arms nerfs
surly
Our Enhance brothers got a taste
We must now be called Legs because our Arms do nothing
Oh I see it now
the specialization page is opened upon entry of the raid for arms only
okay, I believe they're unable to tune arms properly, they dont want some execute shenanigans to happen in raid
so they just leave it as is
Is this normal for Arms?
This isn't normal for any spec
usually when this happens it means a rework is in progress

yeah rework.... good one, maybe next expansions
Not cope, source is I played surv, ele, and dk before they got reworks
It’s kinda wild arms hasn’t received anything this week
getting 3-5% once RWF is over I guess
Paladins get a rework every expansion
Ret is their most played spec by a large margin
Thats right, arms in the top 5 most reworkable specs of all time
Doubt
12.0 they’re gonna be cooking
Arms bro's....
gm critcake
gn
what can it be??? is it because of juggernaut RNG? slayer arms does sim 400k higher than fury on 3 min execute patchwerk
.
Bro really, there is a patchnote right before it was our last chance

that actually made me laugh out loud ngl
This is certainly on of the patches of all time
time
it always was
oh wait damn there really was more tuning
and arms got nothing
lmao
holy fuck thats actually hilarious
Woke up to demo and frost dk nerfed but we lost our chance for last second buffs 😭😭
lmao
i thought the link above was the troll link posting from like a year ago
but nah straight up more tuning and 0

Best part is, they buffed havoc by 5% aura who already sims better than arms
Tank crisis? naw never buff dps warrior problem solved
how was arms in bfa?
bad until nyalotha
They don’t want demon hunters rerolling cuz new dh spec coming 11.2.5
They want warriors to reroll though
this gotta be unprecedented for modern wow

stay strong my fellow zugs
has a spec been this bad in modern wow with 0 tuning
like since BFA
this gotta be breaking new ground
You have a good dps spec, just swap to it.
-Blizz probably
Has arms even been meta before lmao. Wasn’t it like for 2 months only or something
i guess aug was really bad for some time after it was broken
Congratz you are Legs Now
Hard to balance a support spec when it’s the only one
Complain more on the forums, it seems to work for other classes
We aren’t even best leg spec tho
in legion, back in 2017, tomb of sargeras
Fury was complaining all s2
Ah ok thx
this was last minute buffs guys, there will be last second buffs soon
warrior is never top in m+, at least let arms be top 3 ST in every tier
in around 8 minutes
Yo….
what if they nerf everything else and then arms slowly goes back on top cuz everything else is nerfed 
I don’t want either war spec to be meta dps
What if they nerf arms cos we have moaned about it for like a week now....
Ideally right outside of meta is best
We need to up the complaining to Over 9000!
what if if what
Bro I went to see what the discourse for Arms warrior was like on the official Blizz forums
Shit was like eye cancer
So guys hope you have your second weapon ready 
Anyone live near Blizz HQ, go and do some dirty protests outside
atp this gonna be worse than CN
I mean arms kinda owns rn, just can't play it when u actually get tier
guys I ran as fast as I can when I heard about last minute changes for the specs that really needed balance
I mean... if we reach 15 stacks of jugg and it never drops off until 35%, technically we'll do fury dmg 
so what's the arms buff
thats the best part lmao
do this awful degen shit ass spec
and be sub par

Blizzard giving us permission to Reroll
still a wet noodle
fuckin jason bourne in aoe pressing 18 key binds to set up my demolish make sure nothing moves 7 yards
do less than some guy breathing frost
idk, being meta for 20 years feels pretty good if you're playing mage
just remove jug and buff execute to it's glory days
they spent an entire expansion making trinkets doin this in DF
💯
remove JUGG, buff execute by 25%, ez
50% and you got a deal
Amen
Yea, and they’re great for ramping until execute phase 
not gonna lie guys, I was really expecting the good old 3% consolation prize
its more funny this way
dimensius has a secret 15 minute execute phase, thats why they cant give buffs
It’s okay guys they cooking a rework in 15.0
Arms does less exe dam than assa, fire or uhdk 
the radio silence + inaction
tbh if you like execute phases, unholy is pretty cool
tww most balanced expansion ever
5% havoc buff aswell
now to be honest
if you exclude warrior
that statement can be true
you just gotta forget warrior exists, like blizzard does
me reading frost and warlock getting nerfed, then the realisation they still like 1m ahead of arms
realtalk i love how consistently and well you're managing to sandbag arms
what if arms warriors shouted extra loud and raid buff gave 30% attack power increase to all arms warriors
ppl will mald like crazy when rwf plays 3 arms every boss next week
colossus is secretly 6m
😉
i still cant believe all we got is hamstring half global
idk if adding 3-4 fake conditionals to the apl is the way to go about it
like that was what they wanted us to take from the patch notes
How do I explain to people how shitty the target cap is that its worse for warrior than many other specs? Someone who plays ret and DK was just like" well we have 5 target caps too"
they couldnt have gave hamstring half global in a server reset patch
Did you mean to post in fury?
well arms is a pvp spec so it makes sense


but the guy on that gif only has 1
well.. if we ain't getting buffed.. Everyone reroll into the S-tier specs and jinx them so that everyone is in the shitter with us
let's even the playing field
oh yeah, that is more for fury haha
unholy has all the execute damage arms warriors crave for
but you have a blizzard ai pet
yeah because fury has no juggernaut rng bullshit
that will sometimes stop doing damage for 20 seconds because it feels like it
Raging blow
so is arms DED for season 3?
S3 fury low key only soft capped
Do we have to go through this cringe bullshit they do with our spec at the start of every season
nah sometimes it's the opposite
there wasn't a single moment arms was over tuned on ptr
Execute nerf made sense
before season 2 it was "overtuned"
Protection got colossus buried before it even got to live
so they nerfed execute
Did we get buffed (nerfed)
there hasn't been a single moment in wow history that arms was overtuned on the ptr
The stray nerf from prot didn’t make sense
So it was an inside job ? to kill arms ;P
It’s funny cause the thane tier changes made Colo irrelevant anyways
So they could have at least reverted the bleed nerf
colossus in keys has shit ST, and its dead in raid, unless you dont care about boss dmg
, and every prot is thane now... very well done Blizz.
A lot of specs have good aoe and shit st
guys can u stop being angry and wait patiently for the 20% demolish buff in 3 months? seriously this is disrespectful to blissard
S2 Colo was the same way
if there are any modders in this thread. Please make an addon or a WA for arms warrior that changes the SFX of our attacks to noodle slaps
me reading the last minute changes
i wish they would just come out and say yea we dont want you to play arms
be preferred to the radio silence
on friday i will share my 6.3m bleedwarrior apl+talent setup
Blizz does not like the swole bros
a whole new generation of dps warr getting the castle nath experience
so happy for yall
real
We are being persecuted for being the spec with the most perceived toxic masculinity
youd still play warrior cause of tanking requirements not fitting warrior no
maybe we need to recruit from the Feral disc >_>
playing demo with one-button-assistant is better than playing arms perfectly
letsgobro
why would u not run prot warr
in raid
Im talking about CN
aaah
tomorrow is a new day
then we found out the only thing that matters for your parse is jugg gamba and MS crits
just crit on 50% of your MS baby

I love rng


yeah, honestly, last second additional tuning
little does he know
radio silence best we can do
3 more hours
That one blizz dev with full access to the code and makes the most banger arms rework ever made in history
😃 👍 playing demo with one-button-assistant is still better than playing arms perfectly 😃 👍
we really gotta get this out
How are they still forgetting us lol
? wym bro we are getting a fat rework
Armsgmentation warrior?
plant flags make everyone feel good, wave ur arms around and cheer the squad
Oh boy!

i literally watched drive like
2 hours ago


Arms is barely worse than Enh
After all of the buffs
They needed it
I don’t wanna rework I just want stuff to hit harder (and also fix jug).
i want omega giga rework
yeah like if now enh is S tier lmao
Look they broke us 😦
Feels good tho, and would feel even better if bleeds were more effective.
Bleed haters 
nah its still utter shit 🙁
but in turn ele is a god
i know but some arms warriors think that enh didnt deserve the buff, enh was like 20% behind everyone else on single target before this week buffs
Also I know it sucks now for arms
Maybe we're just playing arms wrong
nothing for us ):
Called my buddy, John Blizzard, he said "let me cook"
i did one, feelin lucky
every word of that is funnier than the last
We are great at dodging!!! Warriors remain unchanged!!!!
fury gameplay is still ass right
I like it 
Slayer fury feels fine but slayer arms/fury are super interchangeable to me
worst part is some things are cool
when ravager down and resetting MS cuz unhinged and EB and ur resetting MS cuz EB and just casting like 8 MS in a row

getting like 12 MS hits is wasted on this bad spec
hitting the dummy on PTR as slayer arms, slowly but surely, got up to 14 stacks of jugg in 2 minutes... the new tier set is
.. and then the stacks fell off 
its ok, we do more dmg than thane fury!
remember what they took from you (old warbreaker)
warbringer
remember what they took from you (cs resets)
remember what they took from you (heroic strike)
remember what they took from you (focused rage)
remember what they took from you (battlecry)
broskis once more nothing for us really?
guys we nerfed warBRINGER 
Don't forget yoinking deep wounds giving it to mage.
they also yoinked improved hamstring and gave it to monk
now that I think about it, modern combustion is just battlecry/old recklessness
brb, swapping to fire mage
a worse spec
Why fire mage
the aspirant set is pretty nice
Our brother in the wowhead comments 🫡
No legs, like LT Dan.
@daring flicker
na needs to dodge buffs
I'm gonna macro combustion to look like battlecry, fire blast to look like heroic strike and pyroblast to MS and pretend I'm playing arms
Look at MOP Warrior and now 2025 , our entire degradation
Cata and MoP arms
Can someone change the milk to say “Arms Nerfs”
if you arms boys are down some gamer is gonna cook a 6.3m sim build soon
cataclysm mop, legion
what do they have in common? they have cs resets
wod, bfa and everything else, what do they have in common?
no cs reset
outside of the last raid of wod ( which is when people started enjoying arms )
truuuue, played a lot on MoP recently and when I came back to retail this week it felt really awkard to wait for colossus
what does that tell us? arms players want cs resets and they are sad when they don't
I really really don't want CS resets.
yall just should go play mop classic where we still have all our goodies
Makes target swapping miserable
and fury warriors complain about sucking
mh - they brought back gladiator warrior ...
i do the same dmg with protection spec as with arms
100% sweeping strikes uptime
Look where fury is and arms is
we had CS resets in wod i think but it was trinket
fuck mop
I think they're talking about Fury Warriors complaining in MoP not retail (even though they're doing plenty of that still)
mop owns
The extended maintenance tomorrow is actually because they will be pushing through some phat arms buffs that the people aren’t ready for you’ll see
shout out to anyone who has patience to play fury mop in first tier
they are going to give arms titans grip
and mortal strike will hit with both weapons
its titans grip but it ties the two weapons together
Did you see s2 fury?
I mean I could say the same thing about plenty of tiers when Arms was bad lol.
Fury/arms takes turns being in the dumpster
For sure. Its just more times than not Fury is playable while Arms is dumpster tier.
Yall are looking at this in the worst possible way at least we are ahead of pwar and vdh
Diff is fury was just bad in M+ arms is bad in both areas this season
Fair. Colo st is stinky
Beauty
whbere did his arms go
They got taken with arms dps
Blizzard took them
MILK
I need an artist to add “arms nerfs” to the bottle
how good are we lookin on dps metters?
bottom

i got a 6 days vacation next week, so i hope when i get back we are on tier S
its evolving
Guys it’s only 12 mins left for buffs im starting to worry

Lmao
This is punishment for all of you that skipped leg day. 
Ok it’s 5pm we’re fucked
What makes you think anything more was gonna happen
delusion i think
nothing will more then likely happen until after RWF
the fact they dropped something today nerfs/buffs is pretty rare
It’s over
the simcraft list hasnt taken into account the 5% they just gotten
Oh....
🫡
dead spec*
Ive red even SMF furys doing more dmg than arms °J°
you might need a new glasses prescription
There was absolutely a fun cook going around a couple days ago but it was just fluff
Ppl just be sayin’ shit around this time of season
1 button warlock > arms
oh for sure they do. people do shit like that to throw specs off and discords
Wtf, Havoc buffed by 5% and Arms gets nothing?
yep
Blizzard: Just go play Fury
😂
atleast havoc was good in df
its good right now
i think this is my least played expansion
dunno why
i played shadowlands more than tww
Cause Warrior has obviously been treated as second class citizens?
just as forgotten as rogues now
been like that since forever
Blizzard’s the type to get mad at people who play human Fighter

We all should go to the warriors forum and create a post, each person a post, maybe one day they finally will listen Lol

Don't worry, you'll get the same 3 people that will come in and tell us Warrior is fine.
yup
Yup, a paladin, a hunter and a warrior that god knows why always says we are just perfect
blizzard doens't read any posts that don't include "mage or paladin"
Lol
OK, I'll do it. My forum name is WarriorHater69
XD
nothing beats a jet2 holiday
Hahahaha
we'll just get buffed right before raid open unprecedented but cuz we're special
2 weeks in. Still last
A season where I don’t have to answer a million FOTM reroller questions about if there’s a way to bind rend and clap together 
I welcome it, we deserve this
Think you need to change the icon buddy
Fury likely won't shine cause of spread cleave and its pancake damage profile. So we will see
Fury ain’t exactly flying high either, when Hank kicks it back into the pit it’s just landing on arms offscreen
So true bestie
Doesn't warrior barely get any value from PI?
the bonus of flat damage profile
Right before you login to play arms
Is it worth breaking t33 4p for upgraded ilvls from new m0s?
After cs I think
haven't messed with sks since like df s3
bind tc to a different one
Ideally you'd want to get a WA to track your uptime on 4set and send skullsplitter after a crit following prio
Prolly just gonna send it off cd and try to align it with wb when up\
I feel like in df we had other things that applied rend
outside of rend/tc
am I smoking crack
bloodletting?
maybe i thought ms at one point applied rend
cata classic it did
during execute only
well refresshed it
I thought deep wounds in MoP was great, I don’t see the appeal in rend nowadays
I think bleed is great too, just don’t feel like it should be something Arms has to manage
Bleeds are fine as a secondary kinda thing, but we should still be doing the vast majority of our damage via weapon strikes.
Level of management is certainly up for debate
AKA go away SKS no one loves you.
Like both, both just aren't implemented well.
I mean not a lot of arms is
What stands out to me is needing a weak aura to track the 3 different buffs affecting execute lol
I could apply this to so many specs
Used to be as simple as Sudden Death procs, so you just pressed it. Not having to wait for slayer strike stacks
Remeber when the one button came out and there was that little discussion of "is wow too complicated?"
I only really play Warrior, but that doesn’t surprise me lol
only thing I agreed with asmons malding about it
instead of just making the game easier, you go through loops and bounds to help people play the hard game instead of... making it easier
After making the decision to make the game harder
Yeah basically
I'm not even saying wow needs like further homoginazation
But do we really, really need like 4 conditionals for one button>
Do we really need enhance to afk because the rota is terrified of proccing asct at the wrong time, getting 3 stacks of tempest and munching procs?
That’s the thing right? Why do we need to wait for buffs to align to press something, when it should be doing good damage on it’s own
Well, we know where the game is going. Should be really interesting when add-ons are gone.
As much as we rag on blizzard
I played a lot Cata arms, can’t say there was a whole lot to keep track of. Besides a buff basically giving a free Heroic Strike
I genuinely think even blizzard understands addons are never going away
Like....they aren't that stupid as to uproot what they've based their entire game around.
Espically with the current direction of classes lol
They are. Maybe just for the short term as an experiment, idk. And it's not all types of adrons
Addons
Oh I know, blizzard just wants to reign in combat addons
And I don't blame them
I genuinely hope blizzard got the message of too much to track being actually bad
The top right of my screen
makes me fucking sad
So, much, information. Especially in raid ffs it’s insane
Guys why can't MMOs design a good fucking buff bar
The only one that has a good one is FFXIV oddly enough I'd say
Maybe ESO's.....but that's the biggest maybe ever
Havoc stole em
It was more about encounters having to be so complex because they know smart people will make wa to mitigate what they can
havoc getting buff and arms nothing is insane
I honestly think it's.....kind of both?
We as humans have a limited amount of things we can keep track of at the same, at least....ya know effectively
I really wish I could see Blizzard’s thought process 😂
Blizzard has a thought proccess?
I thought they were just high at the office all the time 
they have a dart board
"Hey guys what if we give boomies the most broken tier set ever and then nerf them into the ground to make them cry?"
Yeah well they are trying to make their own version of a buff tracker. They ain't making a tool you can configure to show where to stand and who to stack with and the soak order
The thing is it dosen't really matter if they do
You take those things out the game, it's replaced with humans and people get pissed off because people will fuck it up
Which isn't really any different to rn anyways
That's what they want. And the better players will fuck it up less. They want you to look where your team mates are and communicate, not just dps til a wa shows you have a green circle and so does another fuy
Guy
And I don't really have a problem with it
Sure, it'll make prog more infuriating
But one thing I will always praise wow for is not falling into the trap of "damage solves literally evreything!"
My friend just started playing wow (high masters in startcraft 2) and asked me “how the fuck does anyone keep up with anything” 
I don't really raid mythic and most stuff on heroic doesn't need anything special or you just out gear it. Be interesting what ce raiders think though, especially top 50 guilds or whatever
I find it really funny how wow is the exact opposite of most MMos at this point
Oh 14 and GW2 are simple?.....Wow over here with 50 priorities
For even a simple spec like arms
and like 4 conditionals attatched to one button
I think the most beautiful example is old school runescape bossing or PvP. Can make something super simple, immensely hard.
Also can’t wait for those wow people that went to osrs to hit late mid game then come back to wow
They always come back to wow
Soda not playing osrs solely because the backseaters annoyed him is peak
People pay attention to streamers?
I can't stand streamers anymore
I've not played osrs, but it looks like the most boring shit ever. Like an auto clicker with ps1 graphics
Unless you’re Just Talking lol
I honestly feel like
I am the only person who dosen't mind graphics
I mean also we play fuckin wow
I don't if they aged well. I love the 8bit and 16bit look
Half of wow has not aged well tbh


