#arms
icy mulch
latent moss
shadow ibex
Can't wait for these buffs
neon hedge
sacred zodiac
naive sage
grave mulch
icy mulch
slow saddle
shadow ibex
Midnight reveal gonna be so cool warrior rework mentioned for sure 
warped ether
warped ether
Midnight reveal gonna be so cool warrior rework mentioned for sure <:FingerGuns:...
I can’t inhale anymore copium I need help 
latent moss
tacit lodge
is this when we all swap to DH, are we in hell
dim basalt
DH 
Going from one class with no changes to another class with no changes is absolute cinema
tacit lodge
who do we gotta call at microsoft to make MS good again
last saddle
swap to DK not DH
shadow ibex
Either tbh
warped ether
who do we gotta call at microsoft to make MS good again
Yo is there a service hotline for arms warrior
weak cosmos
My arms friend challenged me to swap mains this teir. He'd go mage and I'd go arms. Did I get hosed?
runic rock
Anyone got a large dose of copium? Im building up tolerance quick here
warped ether
My arms friend challenged me to swap mains this teir. He'd go mage and I'd go ar...
Brother he basically caught you with your pants down
candid pecan
My arms friend challenged me to swap mains this teir. He'd go mage and I'd go ar...
ok jokes aside, you might get benched for raid if your guild has a prot warrior, and the chance of getting into m+ groups is... lets just say if you have all +13 keys times, you might get invited to +12 
weak rain
olive nest
weak cosmos
At least he issued the challenge months ago. That way he's not an arse... Just clairvoyant
warped ether
At least he issued the challenge months ago. That way he's not an arse... Just ...
Thing is if you get into a group and out dps everyone else
You know for a fact that you are better then all of them
weak cosmos
I am become meme.
rare kite
plain solstice
any buffs?
granite coral
We get buffed before gamescom
Gamescom is just the event for our buffs 
dim basalt
+3% aura buff
candid pecan
+15 Halls, 8-10% aura and we're good
Frost dk did 300M more boss dmg on 1st boss and last boss
idk how
funnel I guess
candid pecan
I guess frost is not dead 
high field
daring heron
gm critcake
gm arms troll number 57
latent moss
title time
quasi torrent
if arms is dead im happy
latent moss
ye im happy cause im going to deal damage in mythic plus (m+) (keys)
hasty vault
doom and gloom aside, is colossus arms still viable in m+ if to just push 3k rating?
latent moss
(im playing assa and sub)
latent moss
doom and gloom aside, is colossus arms still viable in m+ if to just push 3k rat...
yes
try no rend slayer
bit worse aoe much better st
hasty vault
sick. works for me then
shadow ibex
try no rend slayer
This deserves to die
wanton sierra
why all those coffins gifs leadin that we arms are dead?
misty bridge
can someone link the no rend slayer build?
wanton sierra
was playin some protection warrior on mists of pandaria, damn its indeed fun! i wonder how the gameplay is on retail
i mean, of protection warrior... i might try if we continue F tier xD
latent moss
can you link
CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAghZmZmxMGWmtllZmBAAAYw0wYWmZGGLjZmxiZmhZwwAAAAAAAwDwsMzMDYLMW2GYBMgZYCZgNA
u can drop roar and both capstones
for 2x cruel strikes and some utility
u lose a tiny bit of aoe and gain some st according to sims
i havent played no roar tho
i played no rend and its good
fresh spire
Hunters are very not dead
wanton sierra
tacit lodge
just do more damage than the rest of ur raid team and it won't matter how low arms is
rare kite
just do more damage than the rest of ur raid team and it won't matter how low ar...
yes, but then the problem is you're playing arms
glacial rapids
Doomin aside... Will the dps-faq info be updated tomorrow or sometime over the next few weeks when we have more info?
icy mulch
If there is anything added, yeah. Guessing WoWhead will be updated tomorrow or tonight.
fresh dove
why is arms dead 🙁 me hate fury
glacial rapids
why is arms dead 🙁 me hate fury
Then don't play fury?
vast surge
why is arms dead 🙁 me hate fury
Arms died so frost death knight could live
fresh dove
Then don't play fury?
but I don't wanna be stuck on a dead spec lol
vast surge
I would wager after RWF is over arms will get some tuning and it’ll be mid like it’s been for multiple seasons
Not bad, not great
lunar remnant
Time to go fury.. sike frost DK gonna fuck this season
sour forge
I mean arms is still playable
vast surge
If you want to be miserable the entire time sure
shadow ibex
Wouldn't be too surprised if bshout came from prot in rwf
calm hollow
I mean arms is still playable
since when do we use playable as a synonym for dogshit?
sour forge
since when do we use playable as a synonym for dogshit?
Did I say it wasn’t down bad?
vast surge
Playable is borderline gaslighting given arms current tuning
shadow ibex
Probably not playable in current state if your guild is doing mythic week 1
sour forge
It’s not gonna be used in rwf. But you’ll still be able to do stuff
vast surge
Being blind is only an impediment if you’re trying to walk around but if you sit still who needs eyes.
fresh dove
Frost DK baby! Blue arms warrior here I come.
sadly my raid team drafted me playing warrior cause we need battle shout lol
gusty nymph
Being blind is only an impediment if you’re trying to walk around but if you sit...
Touché 😇
sour forge
Being blind is only an impediment if you’re trying to walk around but if you sit...
That’s not remotely the same but go off king
vast surge
That’s not remotely the same but go off king
The point is and it’s unfortunate that this is the case but how a spec is tuned at the start of the season cements in people’s minds whether it is good or not for the remainder of the season.
Furthermore it’s unlikely that whatever tuning arms gets and obviously it will get it; is going to catapult the spec into the meta.
Now blizzard could surprise us with a rework but it’s unlikely at this point.
So being “playable” is cold porridge for comfort.
night mulch
shadow ibex
Just need 15% aura buff day raid opens. Blizz is very likely to drastically change class balance right before content begins
shadow ibex
I don't think it's likely
untold pewter
We prob won't get 15% but it's rather unlikely that we'll get no buffs
We may or may not be ahead of Fury in the end but if you prefer Arms just play Arms, it won't matter
hexed saddle
dont think you'd even want to play current warrior in this raid
arms buffed, great - what now
still doesnt do burst dam
dim basalt
Yeah dmg profile just sucks for most bosses
last saddle
fury was good on gallywix maybe it will be good on dimensius too 
hexed saddle
cause boss hp resets
thick kelp
arms vs sylvanas but this time no mobs to padd
last saddle
my rl wont let me swap to fdk because they think one of us are gonna quit and then they wont have warr buff
shadow ibex
dont think you'd even want to play current warrior in this raid
Yea i think rwf will use prot for shout
Neither war does anything amazing
last saddle
double prot
hexed saddle
Yea i think rwf will use prot for shout
thats my thought as well
shadow ibex
Sub par s2
hexed saddle
pwar/ppal
dim basalt
Why bring a fury when you can bring a dk
dim basalt
Or lock even
hexed saddle
tbf i dont think you will stack any melee this tier
including dk
amz is worse now than it was before
shadow ibex
Grab a prot war and get shout and bring any dps 
shadow ibex
We have a prot war so I think very real possibility we bring 0 dps war
untold pewter
Unless you're looking to get CE within <2 months it's kind of irrelevant
thick kelp
whos that guy who knows tettless
where can I leave a complaint about his wowhead tierlist
hexed saddle
me lmfao
thick kelp
me lmfao
I think if boomie and aug are C tier arms should be D tier
its not even close between those 3 specs
motw + uncapped mass aoe = shout and target capped aoe
(both have piss poor ST)
@tettles ?
tacit lodge
pressing whirlwind might be one of the worst keypresses in the game
slam feels just a LITTLE better and they key feels gawd awful
shadow ibex
Lmao
last saddle
@tettles ?
Are we getting nerfed
undone karma
gentlemen its been an honor
last saddle
This sounds like we’re getting nerfed
shadow ibex
Some of the strongest aoe burst cooldowns in the game
shadow ibex
In the game
latent moss
@tettles ?
this just HAS to be bait right
the only redeeming thing about the spec
is st in m+ and survivability
not even cc cause no colo shockwave
colo shockwave kinda cracked icl
fresh spire
@tettles ?
sour forge
The point is and it’s unfortunate that this is the case but how a spec is tuned ...
The community will always think that the .1% meta actually matters for the vast majority of players. Arms can and will be able to do 15s.
Is arms under tuned? Yes
Fury had the same problem last season
gusty nymph
Paying to play a competitive game and accepting to suck comparatively does not seem not like a sexy proposal….
minor gust
@tettles ?
Oh that's not a wowhead comment. Wtf is Tettles smokin
stable fiber
i mean he has no idea what he is talking about
he only knows boomkin and he sandbags them heavily
fresh spire
vast helm
stable fiber
the fact he is the person that does the wowhead m+ "tier list" is funny because he just doesnt know anything about 3/4s of the specs in this game
stable fiber
haha
shadow ibex
New discord nickname just dropped
minor gust
icy mulch
New discord nickname just dropped
?
wicked oak
Yop, new member
I play arm... :x
Ok ok ...
I know...
fresh spire
latent moss
icy mulch
thick kelp
gaunt owl
minor gust
magic canopy
sharp wyvern
noble acorn
warped ether
dim basalt
serene canyon
vast helm
hallow panther
sour forge
I think Arms state is worse than current Furys state
Aren’t the roles just reversed s2 fury has bad aoe but decent st. S3 arms has decent aoe but bad st
zenith dagger
dim basalt
Aren’t the roles just reversed s2 fury has bad aoe but decent st. S3 arms has de...
I wouldnt say that S3 arms has decent aoe tbh
minor gust
icy mulch
❤️
icy mulch
dim basalt
minor gust
arctic iris
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1402024314978439373/Do...
Mods, new sticker?
sage badge
shadow ibex
this spec fuckin suck
fresh spire
holy train
minor gust
fresh spire
minor gust
if someone knows how to do this better feel free to take the idea and make it look nicer
fresh spire
spiral coral
novel sluice
the sad part about this is that arms actually feels really good to play with the new tier set imo, execute feels strong and it seems like we're getting a lot more sudden death procs so juggernaut rng isn't as bad
spiral coral
I didn’t want to participate anymore but that gif is too good
novel sluice
but the numbers just don't add up i guess
spiral coral
Im playing arms outside of pushing but, yeah. Numbers.
sharp wyvern
multiplying the spam by using this now
novel sluice
i honestly think it'll be decent on loomithar as slayer and decent on soul hunters and nexus prince on colossus
minor gust
multiplying the spam by using this now <:keks:936231610850897992>
yeah im Doom spam min maxing
granite basin
hows arms this season? contemplating rerolling from havoc
thick kelp
bad time
minor gust
scroll up
thick kelp
try again in 12.0
slow saddle
i honestly think it'll be decent on loomithar as slayer and decent on soul hunte...
Issue is when u 600-700k behind fury, idc if profile is better
shadow ibex
I don't think any testing suggested arms has a good profile for anything in raid
dim basalt
the sad part about this is that arms actually feels really good to play with the...
The rng is still as bad
shadow ibex
There are many damage amps, of which arms cannot take advantage of
sharp wyvern
but fury can ?
thick kelp
You will not be playing colossus on any fight this tier, Slayer arms does better 2t regardless and Colossus arms is 1mil dps behind fury in st
shadow ibex
And the rng is not better yea
golden smelt
the sad part about this is that arms actually feels really good to play with the...
I'm really not a fan of skull splitter, it doesn't feel good at all & we're forced to play it with the new tier. I don't mind some bleed synergies but it should be baked in to our other cooldowns
spiral coral
hows arms this season? contemplating rerolling from havoc
Best funnest warrior spec! That's tuned to shit
sharp wyvern
all i heard is that fury is bad for amps cause flat dmg profile
sharp wyvern
100%
thick kelp
both specs are pretty flatline dmg profiles due to our uselss cds
novel sluice
I'm really not a fan of skull splitter, it doesn't feel good at all & we're forc...
i dont think skullsplitter is mandatory
pretty sure sims are showing double bleed talent instead of one point there
is better
thick kelp
SkS is mandatory for colossus
novel sluice
instead of taking overpower rage under 35 percent and skullsplitter
thick kelp
Slayer not
sharp wyvern
SkS is mandatory for colossus
for m+?
shadow ibex
Honestly if you are playing arms play whatever talents you want
novel sluice
i mean in m+
slow saddle
There are many damage amps, of which arms cannot take advantage of
Ofc arms can its called 15 juggrstack and sd
novel sluice
ive been playing the colossus skullsplitter arterial bleed build
novel sluice
and it's honestly kinda sick
rend and deep wounds do giga damage in keys
just gotta up keep
slow saddle
Dno what to say, play with bettrr ppl😆
sharp wyvern
imagine picking Skullsplitter Collosus if you can play fury
thick kelp
Slayer no rend is the giga chad M+ arms build
u r welcome 
golden smelt
oh i meant for slayer
It's annoying Arms is so bad, I want to play prot in keys but Fury stats are not great
minor gust
u r welcome <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
novel sluice
i mean most of the current dungeons you're gonna pull mobs on the boss for funnel anyway
slow saddle
imagine picking Skullsplitter Collosus if you can play fury
Oh if it did more st in a heartbeat
dreamy sandal
I mean we are pretty likely to play arms until we get the 4p for fury
thick kelp
yes
minor gust
ST and Prio dmg is gonna matter much more this season
sharp wyvern
are we going thane for fury week 1 for m+?
dreamy sandal
If you dont have 4p for fury you are prob not playing it
thick kelp
are we going thane for fury week 1 for m+?
Swap thane with new 4p
sharp wyvern
actually thats a trick question cause we all play prot
thick kelp
Otherwise colossus in keys
golden smelt
Arms Colossus M+ until 4 set
spiral coral
imagine picking Skullsplitter Collosus if you can play fury
col > mt in terms of feels. mt gameplay loop is...
sharp wyvern
skullsplitter just sucks
spiral coral
and gets boring after a bit
serene canyon
Fury slayer when 2/2 in M+ or nah?
sharp wyvern
prot
golden smelt
and gets boring after a bit
The dopamine from the TB resets is pretty high
vast helm
sharp wyvern
novel sluice
i like MT in M+ but it can be a bit of a lottery
fast wharf
in terms of feels col > mt >>>>>>>> slayer any spec imo
novel sluice
huge pull, dont get resets, get the pack down to 3 mobs then get all the resets
lol
golden smelt
i like MT in M+ but it can be a bit of a lottery
100%
spiral coral
in terms of feels col > mt >>>>>>>> slayer any spec imo
helll naw dawg
hard cobalt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1402024314978439373/Do...
we good?
spiral coral
I love Slayer
dim basalt
sharp wyvern
for some reason its realy satisfying how they get sinced up
thick kelp
livid cloak
What is the slayer no rend build
slow saddle
Dont
minor gust
wdym dont
minor gust
the numbers speak for themselves
livid cloak
Does it have execute talents?
minor gust
livid cloak
Ptr or live?
minor gust
ptr
minor gust
yeah
livid cloak
Do you need tier to make it work? Or just the buff to bladestorm
fresh spire
2p
heady shale
What if Devs made a typo and wanted to be Skullspitter instead? Probably why it doesn't split skulls
broken cove
what if devs made a typo and it somehow made skullsplitter completely unuseable and was deleted from the program files and couldnt ever be put into the game again until it wasnt a doodoo dogass ability
shadow ibex
warbringer devs
latent moss
minor gust
zenith dagger
candid pecan
surely
minor gust
its our buffs from the max tier list that they always listen too
mortal rivet
void bay
Lol
rare kite
3% aura
heavy patio
I've done that before or done an itteration of "DPS Minimum"
candid pecan
idk you tell me
Arms https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4BkZNZcg5koBtW1b7ftRma
Fury https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gpjPg2RgDt2anm45brkP1T
shadow ibex
when you realize both are on the bench cuz of prot war
shut tinsel
5.4 wait thats better than i thought
candid pecan
PTR 11.2.0 updating 
(bnet)
tacit lodge
5.4 wait thats better than i thought
Siri pull up the demonology warlock sim
shut tinsel
yeah I mean demo warlock is overtuned af
candid pecan
wait hold on.. they added some specs to the simulationcraft.org/reports, manaforge sims https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW3_Raid.html
im sorry WTF, all 3 lock specs
ALL 3
minor gust
All B tier
candid pecan
just built different
heavy patio
willing to bet they made their sims look bad too 👽
tacit lodge
See, the problem is, the warlocks have cried since dragonflight and this is the fruits of their labors
Warriors need to cry more to get results
heavy patio
Locks have cried since the dawn of time, locks are such babies that they invented fucking crypto currency in babyrage
minor gust
10% slam buff
heavy patio
I'll take 10% slam buff over them buffing some shit like bleeds or skullsplitter
shut tinsel
if it doesnt have 10% warlock nerf what are we even doing at this point
barren nova
I am sorry, is there a new PTR buff I did not see?
gusty nymph
Good to know. Not sure they are listening 😇
candid pecan
I am sorry, is there a new PTR buff I did not see?
there is a new build according to https://x.com/algalon_ghost/status/1952420480259936513?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
dreamy sandal
👀 Sweeping strikes off GCD, +100% MS damage and Demolish now allows you to move?
Surely
heavy patio
demolish while moving has already been a known change
for the ptr atleast since like... month + ago
Just heroic leap, not sure on intervene though
dreamy sandal
Yeah sure but I mean like, letting you move your character with WASD
heavy patio
Go home, you're asking too much
dreamy sandal
Its true
Maybe a cheeky little combining the 3 Demolish stages into 1 singular big one maybe ?
sacred zodiac
Good to know. Not sure they are listening 😇
ya this is a different problem lmao
heavy patio
Its true
Best blizz can do is, throw a brick at your head when you hit demolish and add sad trombone.mp4
dreamy sandal
Best blizz can do is, throw a brick at your head when you hit demolish and add s...
I am sure there already is a weakaura for that
heavy patio
I just don't have that problem though, i've been doing slayer in m+
dreamy sandal
So that your nuclear launch code opener can do 20 mil less than the fdk 2 button opener
dreamy sandal
I just don't have that problem though, i've been doing slayer in m+
Nice, heard something about a Slayer no rend build
seemed fun
heavy patio
thats for next season
dreamy sandal
y
grave mulch
Yooo last min buffs??? And warlock nerfs potentially???
heavy patio
grave mulch
Praying the build is our build
latent moss
grave mulch
Hey what else do we have but copium
grave mulch
heavy patio
nocturne hedge
So we got buffed?
grave mulch
There’s nothing in the update channel as of yet but supposedly a new ptr build has been sighted
It could be anything really to trinket nerfs to lock nerfs to arms buffs
bitter escarp
hamstring gcd buff
rare kite
Don’t bare false hope it will probably be some tuning irrelevant to ware
nahh i wouldn't be surprised about an arms buff. just don't expect a relevant one
3% aura
fossil thistle
finite wasp
nahh i wouldn't be surprised about an arms buff. just don't expect a relevant on...
Hopefully you prove me wrong
rare kite
Hopefully you prove me wrong
3% aura is what i bet on when arms gets buffed
heavy patio
i'm betting another prot warrior nerf, that in turn nerfs arms and fury.
static grove
Hey can sks get swept? Noob q but wanna know
rare kite
Hey can sks get swept? Noob q but wanna know
yes
shadow ibex
where da buff
heavy patio
Its in a box
halcyon valve
tis but a flesh wound
tacit lodge
It’s gonna be the “we’d rather you not play arms” like they told demo locks in WoD
vital forge
trying to dial in rotation., whats the longest you should wait for ravager/warbreaker to come off cd again before using a collat buffed cleave?
with anger management talented as well
minor gust
trying to dial in rotation., whats the longest you should wait for ravager/warbr...
theres no hard rule on this will just come with experience but no more than a few globals unless for example the pack is about to die and your able to hold your collat for the next
vital forge
theres no hard rule on this will just come with experience but no more than a fe...
thanks!
astral yarrow
its one of the last things you realistically should worry about getting better at
foggy cairn
anyone know why my arms warrior fails to copy over to the ptr?
stuck yacht
Make Arms Great Again
fast wedge
what does arms need to be competitive. not S but like A/B in m+
minor gust
only thing were getting is tuning so only thing we need is more dmg
glacial rapids
fast wedge
i don’t get all the doom. we are the same as last season with poor tuning. wouldn’t one buff. even an aura buff solve the problem ?
unborn canyon
pure otter
I just dont wanna play 4 diffrent minigames to do the damage other classes can do in 2 gcds
gusty nymph
I just dont wanna play 4 diffrent minigames to do the damage other classes can d...
one button minigames 🙂
pure otter
True
Warrior so simple one butten rotation should be a buff
Sure, they could aura buff us into the stratosphere, but that both, wount fix our weird design, and means devs get a reason to ignore us for another 2 tiers
vast helm
pure otter
warrior overpowered, gets kneejerked nerfed, gets aurabuff to the moon last month of the xpac, something in our kit interacts funnily in prepatch and we get a hammer to the face, devs dont put anymore time into the class cause they already invested time into it and other classes need help, que ad nasium
gusty oak
Looking at arms for next patch how hard is it to master for raid and m+? Is it middleish for difficulty/ engagement? Coming from hunter
grave mulch
gusty nymph
rare kite
Looking at arms for next patch how hard is it to master for raid and m+? Is it m...
like comparable to MM difficulty wise. I would advice against picking arms if you intend to raid, Extremely frustrating in raid this expansion
weak rain
so no buff huh
heavy patio
there will probs be some buffs this week
digital dome
fresh dove
<:copium:839076283467431956>
owo
minor gust
grave mulch
icy mulch
wary bay
heavy patio
ancient scroll
vernal compass
So my guild asked me to swap to warr DPS for the buff. Was going to come in here and ask how doom we were about arms, since Fury kills my wrist. I'm assuming this is not a great time.
sage badge
wary bay
awful in raid and m+
Max and a bunch of other streamers rated us as one of the worst specs going into the next season lol
vernal compass
Ayyyy, perfect time, thanks guild. Really lookin out for me wanting to be viable. 🥲
grand idol
Fury is good though and thane is the preferred spec which is a bit slower.
vernal compass
Now I need to scrounge together a second weapon.
Or do a ton of keys by the end of tonight. x_x
vernal compass
True, but I'd rather not feel gimped until that point.
toxic elm
dont worry we've got a big rend buff coming in week 3
digital dome
heavy patio
<:copium:839076283467431956>
Dork.
digital dome
Yeah I don't talk much in here after they nuked the PvP channel
But I am curious why the arms doomer
Guess it had its time
Back to Fury
heavy patio
People aren't looking foward to hitting skull splittering in colosus arms m+, some of the lowest raid dam, medicorce m+ ST dam, and theres plenty of design issues
demolish not being cancled on a target moving was where the arms balancing budget got spent
heavy patio
I've only played slayer even in m+ though, so not my problem
hexed saddle
Fury is good though and thane is the preferred spec which is a bit slower.
not in raid its not
heavy patio
I'll be smooth sailing no bleeds slayer build
heavy patio
From what i've seen the fights don't appear favorable for how fury works
hexed saddle
correct
lofty pulsar
So are you guys sticking it out with arms or
grave mulch
yes
lofty pulsar
Hell yeah
grave mulch
people forget . things might be meta or OP on PTR but tuning will happen and things will go up and go down and leveled out .
tuning will happen after RWF. it 90% the time always does
lofty pulsar
Ability on a spec > meta until 14+ maybe higher
sour forge
I’m switching back to fury
grave mulch
we can tell
sour forge
How?
grave mulch
sour forge
Could be prot thane
grave mulch
Thane is back and alot of fury talk
lofty pulsar
Dumb question but why is skullsplitter the move now
grave mulch
ahhh so its used for Col now. bleed build
sour forge
Colo tier buffs bleeds by 80%
empty sluice
balmy kindle
So are you guys sticking it out with arms or
I am because it's week 1
S1 we started on top and we got rekted
grave mulch
warped spade
https://www.wowhead.com/news/item-level-681-champion-gear-available-from-base-my...
this is contradicting their own promo vid
grave mulch
I didn’t see the original one
warped spade
Vid mentionned hard-mode only tomorrow, this says it's just not available at all until 12th
unkempt wren
My guild sucks and we just go for AotC. Arms is functional enough. Enjoy M+ but if I can't get in groups, oh well
warped spade
which is also weird, why would they not allow m0 if hard-mode isnt in
grave mulch
That’s a good question
nova marsh
crimson steppe
buoyant cargo
Ability on a spec > meta until 14+ maybe higher
Have fun queing a random +10 pug with great warr ability when EVERY clown arcane mage will be invited in like max. 10sec
lofty pulsar
Have fun queing a random +10 pug with great warr ability when EVERY clown arcane...
Honestly fair lol
grave mulch
slow saddle
Nothing
boreal quartz
<@653287531038900236>
Got banned last year
rain crag
Got banned last year
So sad
balmy kindle
just play with guilds. fuck pugs
Alawys cool when my m+ push tank is like just play what ya like
balmy kindle
Have fun queing a random +10 pug with great warr ability when EVERY clown arcane...
There's always the spam prot until your ilevel is enough
Just W key and let your team work to keep you alive
charred brook
we did it gang
one last hurrah for arms
before the patch
(ill still be colossus for like a whole week)
tall gazelle
having a very minor misunderstanding with the execute rotation;
is it execute x2 for x2 precision stacks then mortal strike repeatedly and only overpower with oppurtunity (slayer) procs?
and do you only mortal strike strictly on 2 of those stacks, never overpower > execute (1 of each stack) > mortal strike, will always be 2 stacks of precision minimum?
But if you get 2 oppurtunist procs, you would execute > execute > overpower (proc) > overpower (proc) > mortal strike?
charred brook
I’m not 100% but I believe so
wicked oak
I think its just numbers...ok...
The meta...
But exept big key, the skill and habilities to play et spec, is better and more appreciate than just opé spec
dim basalt
having a very minor misunderstanding with the execute rotation;
is it execute x...
Youre correct, but opportunist doesnt stack so exe > op > exe > op > ms is more realistic
But otherwise yeah, you only ms with 2x precision and always press op when it procs
Unless you already have 2 stacks of martial prowess, but thats uncommon
silk spade
tall gazelle
Youre correct, but opportunist doesnt stack so exe > op > exe > op > ms is more ...
I see thank you!
brittle pelican
No buffs?
fair tinsel
Nope, enjoy waiting up to a month or more for rwf to conclude, and then MAYBE they'll remember dps warrior exists
I'm astounded fury hasn't taken strays from prot thane before even week 1 raid tbh
brittle pelican
prot reroll
fair tinsel
no! don't get thane nerfed for fury indirectly
Then there is nowhere to retreat to when they slap prot warr down too
so much for last second 3500 before s3
alts were a mistake
dreamy spire
Is colossus + skullsplitter a thing in 11.2 for singletarget, or will slayer still be much better?
quaint otter
🫳
🔮
rotund owl
i think arms does way more damage than fury if played by a professional
fresh spire
dim basalt
grave mulch
tall gazelle
during execute with slayer; if Mortal Strike is on CD and you've already hit execute twice for the buff, is it better to then go overpower until your Mortal Strike is off CD or keep slamming exe because jugg,etc?
sacred zodiac
@dawn stag my minion will arms be meta?
dawn stag
<@126061157508317184> my minion will arms be meta?
Of course. its always meta.
I am blue
sacred zodiac
You are my favourite creation
balmy kindle
On the bright side, high io this season = you are the top arms player
dreamy spire
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
so, we play the exact same without any shakeups in our rotation or talents... fun (singletarget)
static grove
Is sks really THAT low down in aoe priority, even with new tier?
Or do you just pop it with tier set effect?
reef glade
I mean only more dam on the 1/2 targets it hits no
maybe if you’re like looking to prio a big mob sure hit it but in a pack of 10 mobs imagine your other abilities that hit all of em just better
static grove
I mean only more dam on the 1/2 targets it hits no
True true
thick kelp
Is colossus + skullsplitter a thing in 11.2 for singletarget, or will slayer sti...
slayer will be much better
fresh spire
Unless the buffs likely coming with patch launch buff colossus in a way that doesn't buff slayer there is likely no places to play colossus in raid right now
I already checked the crystal ball
🔮
Arms will get lazy buffed
dim basalt
sage bison
dreamy spire
slayer will be much better
rare kite
<:deadge:900279927138578432>
Go fury. Arms dead in raid
candid pecan
icy mulch
quaint otter
weak rain
balmy kindle
u WILL take the 3% aura buff
vast helm
grave mulch
wicked badger
https://i.imgflip.com/a1vjj2.gif
PLuta or plata?
floral ledge
is there anychance we got buff before season start ?
or the patch will be like 1-2 week after
fair tinsel
It's a warrior dps spec, so not likely
Maybe after rwf ends they'll remember that they left arms dead
dim basalt
If anything in the first week, otherwise after RWF
balmy kindle
jade ember
Good luck to everyone's banks, let the great disappearance not happen again
fresh spire
grave mulch
fresh spire
Buffs likely will come with major class tuning with the launch of patch as per usual with major patches (arms still dead until otherwise)
dim basalt
limpid lotus
void bay
Don't worry, revvez is going to do insane damage as arms and get it nerfed so the coffin will be in the ground
gusty nymph
Nah. Nobody will this time around
hasty pumice
with all the PTR changes, what are we looking at for M+ as DPS? My warrior brain doesn't let me find the arms vs fury comparison in M+
only found this #updates-midnight message but this was before a few changes
shadow ibex
Don't worry, revvez is going to do insane damage as arms and get it nerfed so th...
I doubt anyone brings dps war when you can just bring another dk for amz
icy mulch
It's gonna be a prot season.
sacred zodiac
It's gonna be a prot season.
Cope
lament elbow
icy mulch
Prots about to get exploded
Prolly, and fury takes a stray that drops em to dobby or get mad.
terse spindle
there is no reason to cap vault this week right?
icy mulch
Delves and M0
candid pecan
there is no reason to cap vault this week right?
there is, do 8 tier 8 delves for hc track gear from vault.
candid pecan
Im EU too, afaik there is no reason to cap vault
terse spindle
ty my friend
fresh spire
8 m0 for vault tier odds too
icy mulch
That's pretty much the best case scenario. Some tier.
shadow ibex
Prolly, and fury takes a stray that drops em to dobby or get mad.
They shoot prot tier and everything is mega dead or they don't and just mostly dead. Fury doesn't bring any useful dmg profile to raid so idk why you'd bring one assuming it doesn't get hit by prot
dim basalt
Id be very surprised if they nerf prot
violet steeple
It's basically guaranteed they're nerfing prot btw
icy mulch
Max and the Poddy C crew basically secured that.
dim basalt
Kinda lame tbh
violet steeple
The only question is if they lazy nerf and it ruins fury
Or if they use their brains
So probably the 1st option
Having said that they're heavily aware arms is dumpster tier, it will get buffed
dim basalt
Of course they will lazy nerf it
violet steeple
And if colossus gets enough, it fits the fight designs very well and could become viable
Big demolishes into big damage amps = goated
shadow ibex
It's basically guaranteed they're nerfing prot btw
Unless blizzard has said this it's all make believe
It's basically guaranteed they know how bad jugg is
dim basalt
Thats practically the only thing that can save arms this tier lol
violet steeple
Well
candid pecan
revert the colossus tier nerfs and aura buff arms , nerf prot not thane tier set , ty, amazing.
so easy actually
violet steeple
I'm not leaking shit I'm not supposed to, and it certainly isn't because of me we know
But we know
candid pecan
Having said that they're heavily aware arms is dumpster tier, it will get buffed
okay great, sounds great.
violet steeple
No we were never once told jugger was being changed though
They don't view it as bad, we do, and it's been said to them we do
They've never once said back "yeah we know it's bad"
shadow ibex
But we were told they made a tier set for it specifically
So they know it's bad otherwise s3 wouldn't exist
violet steeple
They know it has problems we don't like, doesn't mean they agree with us
shadow ibex
They made a tier set to try and fix it
violet steeple
They've had like 15 suggestions on various fixes sent to them and ignore them, same as roar/spear etc
They don't view them as problems worthy of effort rn, they do think prot is a problem worthy of effort rn
shadow ibex
But not near two useless dps specs?
violet steeple
We'll know soon, the patch notes for today will have everything we'll probably see before next Tues
icy mulch
shadow ibex
Isn't worthy effort
violet steeple
Arms is def not staying as is
shadow ibex
That just doesn't make sense to me; they are that offended by prot but not the status of either of the dps specs
violet steeple
Blizz is dumb as shit, they're baby hand nerfing FDK despite it being broke but crushed others....I'm pretty sure they use a dart board or worry more about community perception (Max and them throwing fits about some things and completely ignoring others) etc
grave mulch
untold trench
Blizz is dumb as shit, they're baby hand nerfing FDK despite it being broke but ...
So what you are saying is.... We should do a concentrated effort to make CritCake the biggest WoW influencer
shadow ibex
Arms is def not staying as is
Well they running out of time to fix that
violet steeple
I mean tbh the fact that we're so honest is probably fucking us over
We watch tons of other community influencers sandbag tier after tier and get ignored/left busted
shadow ibex
Maybe we need someone else talking to them for us
violet steeple
Take 1 tier and giga nuke any sandbagger to irrelevance for the entire tier
And watch how fast that shit stops
wheat shard
Vote with wallet.
violet steeple
That doesn't work cuz very few people will quit regardless lol
shadow ibex
Vote with wallet.
Your guild will just recruit another warrior
violet steeple
And unless we all quit the same day and put "WARRIOR BAD WE HATE YOU" and their AI picks it up
It doesn't matter lol
blissful oyster
Arms meta
wheat shard
Both true lol but I’ll be up 15 bucks.
shadow ibex
And unless we all quit the same day and put "WARRIOR BAD WE HATE YOU" and their ...
That's all we can do really isntry and have a bunch of players not play in their raid
But all you would do is get replaced
steep osprey
Take 1 tier and giga nuke any sandbagger to irrelevance for the entire tier
Honestly I'd really love for Blizzard to nerf MM by 15% and write "Now it's in Dobby tier" in the dev notes
violet steeple
Ye exactly lol
steep osprey
violet steeple
Genuinely I'm not memeing, if they did that it would send a giga clear message
steep osprey
Genuinely I'm not memeing, if they did that it would send a giga clear message
Exactly
shadow ibex
Ye exactly lol
If all 19 of us who actually prog as arms decided to boycott
violet steeple
"We have data too and we're not as dumb as you think, this behaviour will be punished"
shadow ibex
Nothing would change
violet steeple
THERE ARE DOZENS OF US
untold trench
And unless we all quit the same day and put "WARRIOR BAD WE HATE YOU" and their ...
Blizzard spots 4k player quits the same day. Shrugs. It is Monday, they will be back Tuesday.
shadow ibex
"We have data too and we're not as dumb as you think, this behaviour will be pun...
The thing is, they've done nothing but confirm they are as dumb as we think
violet steeple
Well the reality is we all do come back
shadow ibex
They've done nothing to say otherwise
violet steeple
No I know it's depressing
shadow ibex
Lmao
violet steeple
We really should start sandbagging
shadow ibex
Warbringer devs trying to sound smarter than anyone else
What a fuckin joke that would be
icy mulch
I mean tbh the fact that we're so honest is probably fucking us over
Whoa, is this a step to the dark side with the rest of us?
shadow ibex
That would be amazing. Being talked down to by the same person who made spiteful serenity
I need to see that
violet steeple
I still think fury is strong rn but the fact that I'm 99% sure the prot nerf will ruin fury bothers me, and arms has been garbage this entire PTR cycle which is stupid as shit
hasty pumice
violet steeple
And the fight design fucks fury
shadow ibex
Fury has been garbage too
violet steeple
Which is dogshit
violet steeple
If these fights weren't all random damage amps everywhere fury would be quite good, but sadly even WITH that massive buff fury will be mid as fuck for the raids design
icy mulch
Not sure if you're trolling us or actually on board with what we've been pushing on the forums.....
shadow ibex
And yea 0 fights lend themselves to either spec dmg profile
violet steeple
On arms I'm on board and always was, on fury for M+ I don't think we need a buff (we don't need a nerf), but for the RAID design fury is not in a great place and arms is dead
I would be happy with arms buffed to be good for raid, fury left as is for M+, honestly
And I ahve to be honest IDGAF about prot at all
shadow ibex
Love random dmg amps for specs with no dmg cooldowns
violet steeple
If they deleted prot I'd be fine lol
And I'm definitely still annoyed we got giga fucked S1 for their fight design
But now we're getting giga fucked by their fight design now and the classes who will do what we did S1 are NOT getting nuked
hasty pumice
lincc, as long as there's no further changes, do you think arms colossus > fury thane for M+? Or is fury too good despite the target cap?
violet steeple
God no arms colossus needs god man
violet steeple
No further changes = fury is quite good for M+
icy mulch
Might be all we have left this season. That would be straight bullshit if they let Prot war be both tank and dps spec. It's stupid enough that I could see Blizz doing it.
hasty pumice
sadge
steep osprey
I still think fury is strong rn but the fact that I'm 99% sure the prot nerf wil...
Yesterday I said that the best thing they could do is nerf the tier set damage bonus from 100% to 50% for both Prot and Fury and then only buff Fury's TB
tepid dagger
maybe arms gets the boomkin treatment - complete dogshit on release then gets giga buffed
shadow ibex
We really need an advocate
steep osprey
maybe arms gets the boomkin treatment - complete dogshit on release then gets gi...
Arms isn't staying like this
we're not playing classic wow
violet steeple
I mean arms needs a seriously MASSIVE buff today/next Tues or it's dead
civic path
is arms really that dead ?
steep osprey
Even if it doesn't get a buff, it's not staying dead because tuning passes are quite frequent
violet steeple
Arms is beyond dead rn
untold trench
Arms really need buffs to do m0, fr fr
civic path
Arms is beyond dead rn
both raid and m+ ?
violet steeple
It's not awful for M+ but it's noticably worse than fury
Which means its GIGA worse than everything else
steep osprey
It's not awful for M+ but it's noticably worse than fury
the only reason it's noticeably worse is the prio/boss damage IMO
violet steeple
Fury is upper middle for M+, arms is dog
Yeah but that's a big enough problem to not play it
steep osprey
True
That's why I think they should only buff Arms pure ST abilities
instead of an aura buff
because if they did that, that'd mean their aoe is gonna go ahead of fury
and fury is gonna be dead
thick kelp
:bigsmile
violet steeple
The only people who will be playing arms this coming tier in current tuning are casuals or ride or die I refuse to spec fury/prot people, but they will be holding their team back
shadow ibex
You think they give a shit
steep osprey
If they didn't give a shit, they wouldn't tune anything
violet steeple
That actually might be the biggest gap I've ever seen going into a tier
At least in modern WoW
thick kelp
4.7mil vs warlock 6.3mil/dev evoker 6.2mil etc
thats in m+ build
cunning comet
thats in m+ build
Better to have a walhe in your hand than a philwar on the roof
steep osprey
That actually might be the biggest gap I've ever seen going into a tier
It would be if there are no tuning changes until the raid releases
violet steeple
Bro I straight dumpstered this TFT lobby while typing here, the emotion flowed through
thick kelp
Ye but aren't we like 5.2 in ST build still
5.3
cunning comet
5.4
steep osprey
is arms the lowest simming st spec
cunning comet
No
violet steeple
Wait is there something actually worse lmao
steep osprey
There could be but seems unlikely
steep osprey
well, aug makes sense tbh
hasty pumice
Wait is there something actually worse lmao
deathstalker sub rogue and shit iirc
dim basalt
Theyre actually simming that low
steep osprey
not for a fucking second
violet steeple
I mean boomy should be deleted also I'm positive they're sandbagging because they always do
violet steeple
But yeah they're pretty bad too
steep osprey
and i wouldn't
dim basalt
They got completely massacred on PTR
dim basalt
4.8M even haha
steep osprey
I'm thinking maybe all the 6m ones get nerfed
steep osprey
I'm pretty sure FDK is like 6.2m something
hasty pumice
clearly its 100 dps
steep osprey
lmao
hasty pumice
cant you read? 
steep osprey
Some specs are clearly overtuned like demo and destro
candid pecan
wait thane prot 4.164M?? WTF, yeah that's not staying
steep osprey
unless they decide to buff like more than half the specs in the game close to 6m
i don't see how this is coming out like this
shadow ibex
unless they decide to buff like more than half the specs in the game close to 6m
Considering they buff mob health
dim basalt
Are any of the lock specs bursty?
shadow ibex
I don't think they know how kuh dmg we should be dealing at all tbh
steep osprey
Are any of the lock specs bursty?
I think aff is
demo is pretty consistent from what i've seen, destro too
dim basalt
hmm
Because if either demo or destro are/were bursty they would prob stack those for RWF
halcyon magnet
destro is the new dot spec aff bursts
for raid its a little more front loaded but its still kinda weird
icy mulch
4 warlock specs top 20? Holy shit.
steep osprey
lucid thicket
They understand the 
strat
cloud gyro
lucid thicket
slow saddle
My dk is so rdy for next season
Fury raid as im solo warrior
Dk anythin above a 12
icy mulch
Fury raid as im solo warrior
You gonna get asked to tank like I most likely will be.
slow saddle
Lol
Top 2k guild priviligr
I can outplay 90%
We have 2 players thst tank they wouldnt survive the dps jungle
Downside... we only killed oab
cunning comet
@latent moss
vast helm
wicked oak
Hello, I'm 10-12 in MM + can I play arm without too much trouble or do you think it's better for me to play fury to ensure I'm taken?
cunning comet
What
plain latch
go prot to assure you get taken
cunning comet
What is it now
slow saddle
Prot 100%
slow saddle
Hello, I'm 10-12 in MM + can I play arm without too much trouble or do you think...
Keep in mind u are talkin after new 4p? As 1st couple of weeks its col arms
icy mulch
slow saddle
If no more tuning it wont happen until after rwf
Well we got 8 mpre days
Hope they.aura nerf prot warrior
Else fury thane is a goner
wicked oak
Keep in mind u are talkin after new 4p? As 1st couple of weeks its col arms
nop in general, not to speak 2P or 4p, in general to play MM + and for play fun, for me wow is a outlet, i love my war but i don't to about to play him enter fury and arm
slow saddle
nop in general, not to speak 2P or 4p, in general to play MM + and for play fun,...
Keep in mind thane is 99% carried by new tier set😅
So as fury u will prob have a meh time until then
As arms u will just have bad time.once all get 4p🤣
icy mulch
How did you understand that jabbering mess?
slow saddle
Im not quite certain i did
wicked oak
So as fury u will prob have a meh time until then
where in fury I wouldn't have this problem? because I'm not looking for the world top... I just want to have fun with my war and perform well.
slow saddle
Fury needs new tier to perform
So give it 3-4 weeks and go fury. This will also make sure tuning is somewhat done
icy mulch
where in fury I wouldn't have this problem? because I'm not looking for the worl...
Thank you for translating that for us.
wicked oak
So give it 3-4 weeks and go fury. This will also make sure tuning is somewhat do...
in Fury or to stay Arm ?
slow saddle
If u meant u lazy go fury
wicked oak
Thank you for translating that for us.
?
icy mulch
Don't worry about it.
slow saddle
🤣
wicked oak
If u meant u lazy go fury
I'm asking simple questions... no need to flame... I like the arm spec... I just wanted to know if I could continue or if it was a big mistake.
thick kelp
I'm asking simple questions... no need to flame... I like the arm spec... I just...
play arms
icy mulch
You can play whatever you want. For just doing weekly keys with friends you'll be fine.
icy mulch
It performs well enough for casual play.
Just don't be expecting quick invites to M+ or raid.
wicked oak
Thank you for your answers.
Not performing, just 10-12, no more.
I needed counterparts to decide between Fury and Arm