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i mean like 2 thane fights isn't bad. tho i seem to be one of the few believers in thane on the dh boss
Ehhh I guess it cant be worse then enhance
And id have two specs i can tolerate again
Yea more of a statement about other capstone
The best one is one that just adds 3 800% ap attacks so your cooldown
L

Arms blow up
new hero spec: forearms
Wrist.
new hero spec: pallbearers
Big shout
New hero ability: put out to pastor.
Every ability makes you cast all shouts playing the audio files for everyone.
Meanwhile
CELEBRATE 11.2 RELEASE WITH DEALS ON SERVICES
CELEBRATE CELEBRATE 11.2
CELEBRATE 11.2 GUYS WONT YOU CELEBRATE
No
I love the energy, but I'm not sure if it's proper.
Sorry , only 5 people can hear that.
They took the wrong one
Shoulda been jug
Not tom
The wrong one died

Tom was a real one. Never let us down.
Oof. It seems I picked the wrong time to swap off prot to Arms based on all the doom in here
So much doom....
Is arms really this much in the shitter?
"comp dependent" - that's how everyone will make you feel better about arms
for raid absolutely. for m+ only knee deep
12.0
ahh so M+ is the same as this season thats better than nothing
You're actually mad tier.. perfect for arms 
:real:
sandbag tier list gonna go crazy
honestly, drop arms in that tier :kekw
put warrior in S tier to force others to rank things above it
yeah mostly. tho st is worse in comparison

also fury is just ahead of arms in m+
just wait until pulls get crazy big
ehh just get lucky and get a bunch of thunderblast procs
I actually thought we'd have our moment this patch with the Mob counts in the various dungeons :/
🤤 thinking about huge pulls
fury not garbage at huge pulls next season just because of tblast. i am not saying fury is great at it to be clear
Cant wait for Kalamazi to sandbag
its guaranteed
Death before fury... guess thats true now
what are the odds fury gets nerfed during W0 when people do M0s

history has a tendency to repeat itself
thane owns. i want fury to play thane everywhere
bad take
i played it on rik when no one did. thane goated, tho it's troll to play now after turboboost(adds die too quick)
powerful enrage should not exist
makes the spec play worse when fury is all about fast gameplay
agreed
you're gonna have the same problem with slayer next season. powerful is the play
yes
ye arms it is
for all of raid most likely. unless the extra haste gives you better cd timings for adds i guess
now i have to brainwash my RL to let me play arms
Is Max doing his tier list today or just setting it up?
even on live for a bunch of people powerful sims better on st
already started
right now
Max has an uncanny face
he is known to be 2d irl
If Crit doesn't put arms in your actually mad tier it's gg
he is also known for his hunter pet names
arms is gonna be in whatever tier warlocks are gonna be in
S 
"yes we top the damage meters but we have to make health stones and summon people.... B tier"
to be fair lock is the class for cucks gotta summon everyone put down healthstones and set up gateway every pull and your teleporter if needed
maybe your locks, mine has to be cajoled into making a summoning stone and then refuses to do any actual summoning with it!
see thats why you need to whip them into shape!
they're warlocks, already beyond the point of saving
“Wakes up no 20% warrior buff” time to go back to sleep
Hey can I get healthstones because I forgot to get them when they were down and placing your gate and tele down
i've played warlock in raid before. my rule was "i make the summon portal but i do not summon people"
whats the move with embelished items? Cloak is getting replaced and belt isn't an option... What are people moving their cloak embelishment too?
leading into the season your best options likely are boots and bracer mainly because delve belt will last a little while longer, then switching into Belt Bracer later on
for some reason i thought i saw something about bis boots from raid
i played warlock this season and now im swapping to warrior for s3 this is.....painfully accurate
But you will be able to go Weapon/Bracer
if you are unlucky with mythic weapons in vault early on
I usually rush crafted 2her to take some mystery out of it
If you get a belt week one, it’ll probably be replaced
just loot weap from first vault
ez
pre season 3 moving to boots makes most sense. Then shift to bracer/belt bracer/weapon depending on your luck

I wouldnt even bother moving your pre season 3 embelishments. Embelishments are weak af and are just replaced by ilvl very quickly
holy fury doomers in here now?
this is coffin posting channel
fury bingchilling. get out
Buddy you and I BOTH know fury will get 4 nerfs in 3 days
Need a maximum "arms owns" video
This is your fear boys
colossus is safe
Thane prot about to ruin fury thane when they finally tune it because prots tier is 40%
thane tho.. 
Fury will join us in you're actually mad on next tuning 😉
surely colossus wont get shot anymore
blizzard will not let prot go live like it is
good
didnt the same thing happen last time with collosus
where arms cathed a stray
yep
love how fueled by violence healing was insane as colossus prot... so they nerfed the tier... now every prot war is playing thane 
Bleeds was really good after you double their damage with tier who would have guessed
My spec is a machine that turns good damage into Protection warrior strays. 😤
arms just catch stray nerf from all specs
arms caught max strays from tiers nerfs this patch already

BASED CRITCAKE
BASED
Based Crit
BASED CRIT
LETS GOO
That means this will be our best tier because buffs, right guys? Right…?
arms owns
i mean there is no warrior dev so someone has to do it
might as well let theorycrafters go ham
ill see you guys at the fury chat
I am impressed, warlock spent 3 sec, and already tanked down 200k from their sim DPS 
I know this is copium but if arms gets buff to match fury DPS does it get picked because of better burst profile?
Arms needs god
would be fight specific
If Arms got a big ST buff that applied to both hero talents it could be in a good spot again. That seems to be what it's missing the most everywhere.
so one aura buff away
ahh, good ol 30% MS buff(and 20% exe buff)
I would think colossus burst would make it really good
no
collosus ST is awfull
the only time i can see it being played is on the council boss
well it would need an unreal buff
cause only colossus is bursty
and colossus st is giga awful
RIP alright
Yeah Col has really bad ST and Slayer is just worse than Fury Slayer, but Col still has good AoE.
I guess i didnt realize how bad it was
So just pump up the basic ST profile.
dont look mountain of muscle and scars
bottom left
node

colo prot is bad anyway
- they can do per spec hero talent tuning
I mean you can target the specs separately if you wanted to, surely. No idea why they don't so often.
MS and Exe buffs aren't crazy exciting but they would work at least ig
I rolled warrior 20 years ago to get big MS crits and I have been held hostage since, #bringitback
what the fuck is an aug
Our new friend, you be nice to it.
tierset is good
we are just tuned very low
Not gonna play enhance?
5 BIG BOOMS for S2
You're Actually Mad for S3
Arms trolls at it again


arms got no hands
Hands are all that's left.
class balance is that hard or is it a way to keep us guessing / hoping?
Oh I was about to ask how we're doing next season the gifs might say it all, fuck

Arms is so back
mods ban this man
How come big man with big sword hit small number but small man with little staff hit big number?
Me no understand
How come big man with 2 big man swords hit smaller number than big man with one big man sword
thats obviously a torso warrior
1 big sword with 2 hands bigger hit. 2 hands 2 swords more hit
And for Raid? I didnt find it, sorry.
same as M+ at the bottom
Unlucky 🙃
I miss the Amirdrassil tier set.
tier set strong, base tuning bad
can you play phys dmg comp w/o war. or does it really have to have a warrior
You can but warrior is the other "main" raid buff so
BS is really broken for a full phys comp
does arms do good damage in that comp for s3 (with monk and sham) or is arms just in that comp to bring the buff and boost others ?
for s3 you would be playing thane fury warrior in that comp as of current tuning
But if you want arms only, colossus does respectable aoe and below average boss dam
i see so much doom. we do good dmg in phys comp or we just there to bring the buff really?
Arms is there to bring the buff
Fury is there to bring the buff and damage
Man the only spec in the game brought to buff and boost others as main purpose is aug 
Hey, someone know if valorstones doesnt reset? I heared something like this
My arms warrior died and came back a frost DK
It won’t reset so you can stockpile
And got nerfed
now come back
thanks, but prob cant trade between alts?
without delving too deep into the nuance
- Arms gaining ~10% from S2->S3 set with no other changes
- Everyone else gaining 17%+ and many of them with other changes on top
I think they’ve disabled it for the start of the season.
you cannot trade valorstones in S3, no
Hello there ! Anybody got a link to a gdoc referencing dps sims from every spec ? Or are there none yet ?
Alright, thanks for the answers 
Nah bud, I’m sticking with FDK, I’m not playing another season of colossus jank. FDK is a far more coherent spec now IMO.
Also id wait for after RWF cause things will go up and down.
Yeah, i just wanted to have a general idea of the tuning right now (though of course i'm waiting the release and RWF). A guildmate of mine asked if there were any sims as well
hmmmmm idk hard to tell atm? i could be wrong?
alls i know is arms isnt great atm and fury is playable
Surely arms gets buffs after m0 week data 
Haven't we been mad for awhile now? The lack of real qol changes or even variety of talent builds?
😅
apparently not as mad as this season
I think this is just the dam breaking after having hope slowly fade and trust in Blizzard lost.
Blizzard has fixxed ret a million times to make it feel better, even when numbers werent great.
Warrior, have had more semi decent tuning, but gameplay....
Or feedback on buttons...
My cope is that there's a full rework of a lot of core combat systems in Midnight to make up for less direct tuning and changes in TWW.
Like rogues have been in stasis too
what are y'all crafting instead of cloak to have ready for the start of next season when cloak is replaced?
nothing
Rogues got a rework not long time ago lol
Still doesn't excuse their hero trees
Not when hunter and shaman got a lot of work
It makes some sense if their main combat designer has been working on Void Hunter for a while
Still sucks
dude that would make so much sense if its just 1 guy doing every class reworks
It's not every class, but the combat design team does have a point person for a couple classes each.
Rogue/Demon Hunters have shared for a while now
Another example was DF alpha. Druid/Priest person left Blizzard and iteration on their talents stopped for most of beta
One interview or another regarding the rogue rework in DF being delayed was "It's better for us to wait for someone to return than to try to have someone who hasn't been working with the class to step in"
counter point, buffing a low damage ability when clearly its really fucking bad (cough roar) is not an excuse to "wait for another person"
Maybe but who knows what goes on day to day
"we got all these knobs we can turn to turn every little thing" turns them once every 8 weeks
There's probably a lot of work going on to be ready for Midnight Alpha in a month or so
Still blows my mind that it's that close if we're somehow getting a late January prepatch
they working cleaner now, 3 patches head at most times now, they likely already started work on midnight before s2 even was finished
I believe art and level design is that far ahead. I'm not sure combat design is
Give me back Ancient Aftershocks
I want a glyph too
A beam of death that left reverb dmg
Just make it brown
Remove shockwave
Coz obviously we prob.cant have both?
Coz then war would have great cc
Cant have that
they need to aurabuff havoc and arms but like
idk
since patch notes are out
not before the release, right?
at this point
I’d prefer a ret level rework but I’ll take a pudding cup if I can’t have the whole cake lol
arms needs more than that imo
needs a complete redesign imo
give it some niche like funnel and we ball
Ret reworks where huuge
ye for arms they have to sit down and talk about what they want arms to be
Nah its not rly that bad
Its warrior tree and capstone mess
Like arms has some pretty focused profiles in slayer and col
slayer is just shit
i dont want random spin to be my top dmg
i dont want bladestorm cdr
we already have anger management
Thats u
what so you enjoy the fact that cleave does piss damage and its purpose is to proc reap
and the fact that the hero talent focuses on sudden death which is entirely useless in aoe
Slayers is raid // execute profile
Havoc will be fine i think
Also cleaves dmg deffo is not piss
On Wednesday(EU), will we be able to complete an M0 and get S3 loot, or will it still be loot from S2?
Idk man I'm not convinced funnel isn't cope
In the same way 5 target niche is totally a great thing
funnel is not cope
You trust blizzard to pull that off well? And balanced consistently in our favor in a way that feels good
look assa rogue
Just think putting a lot of faith in blizzard to do it well
legit played for the profile
So arms is cooked?
That’s so sad I enjoyed it last season in raid
What’s the worst season arms had since lets say sl s1
i think its between this and 10.0 before 10.0.5 but i dont remember 10.0 very well
we are actually mad
people floating around looking for that OP busted S teir spec
wrong place. this is the casket
I still can't at MM/BM on tierlist placement
What tier list? Those are all bollocks
So Max got class writers on his stream and did a teir list on where they think they should be. Critcake did a whole message and we are at the bottom
this is the bottom of the barrel we got ranked this for raid and M+

Abberus we were p bad imo
Abberus was ok, Amirdrassil arms was bad
I'm aware
i think this was justified
you know it was cause nobody accused you of sandbagging this time
oh it was great. now we gotta get those fat buffs
buffs wont fix talent tree sadly
we gotta go up soon

put
in the bag as well plz
Just make colossus the meta tree and give MS twice the damage
My relationship with execute has ended
Execute has been so bad for quite a long time now...

im a slayer enjoyer .
Change all slayer modifiers to apply to mortal strike instead
This would fix slayer
Maybe apply to cleave too for M+
I think blizzard is just afraid, afraid of big men with big swords hitting big numbers
Blizzard has always been afraid of making warrior great ever since vanilla...
We're not allowed to have fun
or just give execute aoe value
The only fun you're allowed is in classic servers on the vanilla patch
Yea idk about that we tried that in Dragonflight Season 2 i think it was
And it wasn't that great
what
make execute proc Reap the storm 100% the time
s2 df had sks
sd procs reap
and
could make just sd hit more targets
prot has it
why not arms
Slayer is fun to play, but it performs so poorly in M+, i wish it performed on par with colossus
I mean, SD should proc reap for sure instead of 20% on MS tbh
Also Mortal strike should give 1 or 2 jugg stacks if it's consumed with Exe precision
anyone have a good slayer m+ build? for like 14+
thank u
GZ on the class writer position

As we keep stacking crítical we will swim in rage in later pases?
Class writers totally not just an assortment of random ppl that max knows
dont think they should talk about our incorrectly simmed talents that we'll use during prog to suddenly jump to #1 dps 10% ahead of everyone else
It's really funny we have talents that haven't been used the entire 2 expansion cycle and they just haven't been touched
They did touch dance
For some reason
If every talent redesign didn't essentially kill the talent it might have been useful
I just wish the civilians knew about dance
@boreal quartz he dancin
Fatality?
at some point there will only be passive nodes left making it the only true passive skill tree
i think blizzard is cooking
Ye arma redesigns are 80% nerfs of goos talents
He dancing
ye and then suddenly 1 cast of ms > cast of roar
Has anyone posted this on the ptr or we just complaining among ourselves?
always complaining amongst ourselfs
jugg suggestion was posted and they did nothing
im glad arms is dead in raid
i dont wanna play
but there is no way devs dont know we dont take capstones and the passive nodes instead
one more season of juggling sd
jugg isnt as bad with new tierset
tbf i didnt play it this season either
Jiggling my nutsack
but less cringe
fury also has jugg
aghhh
relevant feedback is always passed along the proper channels do not worry about it
fury procs sd
like 10 times more
and ashen is way easier to build
and not as bad when it drops
ashen dn
ballshd
ok
jugg is for juggling
12.0 grand philiarms return
12.0 bfa nyalotha arms for sure
Don't attribute to malice
What you can explain with stupid
after the rework
they know everything
inshallah
Maybe they just are stupid and/or bad at their job. Occams razor and all
12.0 innit
12.3 arms rework for fated
I think just maybe dumb
fated xalatussy
huge
they gonna replace it with odyns sadness
Onslaught
imagine if prot had more execute dmg than arms 
Slam did about x2 dmg as execute in pvp for a lot of this season
Cuz devs didn't realize pvp was separate
Shit like that is why I think maybe they just stupid and bad at job. Idt they know about 0 capstone
How can you think they know about anything
in SL as necro arms
cs + ava + banner + trinket
When shit like this
ye and banner had some movement impairing effects reduction or something
You couldn't be slowed below 130 iirc
real shit
Like a deaths advance
are u playing mop
ye idk if i had mop char and a guild i would maybe play mop but theres nothing to do innit
except raid
and cba raiding
go mm i go assa
turla goes fdk
find tank and heal and we blast
we do that
myrt and greg (egirl healer)
surely myrt 
i just wanna play my hunter
myrt is
8 key levels above me
icl
itd be disgusting boost
also my hunter is 639
so once i get home tmr
i need to do delve belt
and maybe do some 10s
im around there too ye dont wanna craft anything
just gonna spam m0
next week
i got belt tho
got jastors from token
i need to get gold from someone
i cba buy it
and then wait
nah i mean kill bosses
just gna get some key gear
first one is easy
3 coins for curio
1 coin = 5 bosses or dungeons
or something
i did most of lfr already need to pug normal
idc about gear i just want cantrip
if i can bother getting gilded might craft 681 dagger
to make m0 week bit easier innit
Remind me i need to upgrade belt
ye i mean should be doable

No idea mine like 693 or smth
kinda cooked gear icl
xddd
big neck tho
got a fucking cloak from the free hc piece
and the neck
csgo...
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xddddd
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i forgor
W mog or?
gurubashi poker peak
where does it drop
ngl idk i just have it
i will fuck (you) 😳
good tuning (fuck warrior anyway)
it just drops from some perma random mobs
Make SKS an uncapped aoe don’t @ me
Make sks unsweepable don’t @me
Delete SKS and add it to WB you mean
When I'm in an aoe set up competition and my opponent is an arms warrior

(He's about to press 8 globals before starting to hurt the enemy)
cant be worse than unholy
Pet classes aren't real to me
The lion doesn't concern himself with his dsm-v diagnosis
Uh fucks from 1st global?
Only 8?
Must lack some prep
🤣
Roar ms cleave tclap sweeping wb ravager cleave and ms to build might
Idc about order just listing
as soon as you press demolish you do dmg
Ngl its annoyon
When cds dont fuck like u gotta roar and clap but they dont feel good
im still glad sweeping strikes is on the gcd to keep its cleaving capabilities in check
If we could sweep off global we would be too far ahead of everyone else much better this way
Can't be too powerful
Or it being passive
It's at least only a half gcd but yeah shit is pretty cancer
Ewww wouldnt want THAT
We need passive SS back
Just of gcd and im good
And just uncap rend thing
Well clap
Or remove col and just buff cleave
hows arms shaping up for s3?
kekw
i just dont think it needs to exist at all
why do i need to activate my cleave
Because its a differwnt swing
Its a sweep
No but for real passive might work, reducing button clutter in opener would be nice
with the M+ build wiht colossus no jugg or exe precision, do we just press execute whenever overpower and mortal strike are on CD or do we prio cleave even over that and/or slam?
Execute is your slam
so its just a overpower/mortal strike BOT and aoe is overpower/cleave/mortal strike bot all dung long?
tyty
Don't cleave st
Pretty behind fury in raid ST so not much reason to play it in raid besides you like it more than fury. M+ Colossus pretty competitive with Thane in aoe but it's lacking ST so thane angle unless you just like arms
Actually mad is technical term iirc
CN was the best raid in SL. By a long shot.
I wish I raided in shadowlands but I had just started playing wow and was casual. I spent most of the time I played getting through the campaign lol
You didn't miss much besides CN
council of blood
Only fight I absolutely hated was SLG rest were good or alright.
I was stuck playing a boomy that tier so sludgefist was a vibe
slg is like top 5 worst fights ever easily
Oh I did hate Inerva the fucking drain and triangle boss just because there was a bug with convoke and if you tanked her where she stood and you weren't in the right spot your convoke would just cast only healing spells.
council in a top 10 list for sure
I didn't mind it but I was a boomy so my opinion don't mean shit
fucking awful
sludge is probably best boss ever? best combo of position in raid + amazing difficulty
doesnt redeem CN tho
Sludge and Donny are enough for me to remember the raid fondly
i wish we got a sludgefist type again
maybe terros boss in raid can be that
but seems like type of boss easy to just weak aura 
Ya I mean he's in the Sledgefist spot and he's a 5 min hard enrage
Does he have an amp? idk. But yeah the mech being WA fodder is a little sad.
SASHAY LEFT
P R A N C E F O R W A R D
BOOGIE DOWN
breaking the coffin dance train is bad juju
BoooOOOOOooogie DOWN
cat go away
Noh
ok
I wont allow 

What if the real reward was all of the boogieing down we did along the way
Hey guys I was watching the new yoda video and he said arms was actually gonna be like s tier with slayer in m+
who told him
it was supposed to get sandbagged
Wth

120.0
spec so bad gotta play beat saber 🎦
Im sad can't sleep
preparing for fury season
I'm mad too why isnt the Long imgur copy pasted into the game yet
I mean, shouldn't he be mad? How the fuck he gonna gain rage with no mad
xd
spam execute on aoe for higher chance for tactician
never press demolish
for 50% op dmg
If they increased dn dmg to df level, slayer might not be bad in m+ lul
idk its so weird btw
cause they "solved" execute rage cost
by giving u infinite sd
Colossus can take DN too xd
which just kills test of might forever
idk whats their thought process
did they forget about tom or
it basically got removed
20 rage cost fillers
and a lot of sd with slayer
and colo cant spam exe anyway
sd sucks, I'd like for sd to be gone, or be less frequent and actually work with AM
SD just needs to proc reap
They decide what you're playing, and if that means ToM is dead for an entire xpac so be it 🤷♂️
noob tome ilvl
crazy how that wasnt the default option
more haste
I've always thought that, and was just confused why it doesnt
i might have a big haste ring
u need X haste for iftk i forgot
nah but thats so boring when you get showered by SD procs, i'd prefer for SD to do good damage or at least work with AM as 40 rage spent
to not drop shield block
in m+ not that bad
in raid is awful
I’m done raiding. I just wanna be an m+ Andy
SD needs a reason to be pressed in aoe the cdr isnt enough to make you care/like pressing it
flat profile + low sim dps
fury is flat profile + high sim dps so its not bad
fuck ton of amps
its playable
thane fury is better tho
but for most content wont make a diff
the biggest difference is fury st is much better
arms i assume still has better mass aoe
unless fury high rolls
with tierset
I mean if you're slayer m+, the reason to hit execute is just for better prio dam
My group is making a phys comp. Do I stay on Hunter or do I go back to warrior
thane fury is pretty good
gotta fill the rotation with something ahh
pressing a purely ST button in an aoe situation doesnt feel good its an awful way to do prio dmg
unless its funnel
yeah
i fw funnel a lot
unless for funnel
assa is fun
slamming envenom
just wish deathstalker was a bit less cbt
and in pugs its dreadful
single vanish
and u dont get to restealth
0 damage
Depends if you have brew tank
I dislike that MS and OP are so much of our aoe rotation but like atleast theres things that make it feel fine to press in aoe
SD needs that reason as well
True, I'd love execute proccing reap the storm would make it feel less crappy but; sometimes you're in a key and not a single fucking person is focusing the prior target so you gotta just do it
Yeah we got Brew tank, restosham
aoe execute 🎦
Mainly just deciding if I’m going to play warrior, or we fill with another
The dps spots are semi flexible then
i have 16k haste rating now
its my highest
You’ll want a warrior for sure
im not gonna ss my stats cause im in dornogal and i have the haste aoe talent
Bshout is strong
yeah thats why if u read the long imgur we want things like passive SS and increased SS targets would make for a much better prio profile
what if we had ss but instead it lasts like 20 seconds and hits up to 8 targets but cleaves harder the less targets there are
should be fine i think
to swap to iftk
fuck hr on god
Yeah I’ve just been playing around on which of the Phys dps I’ll be going with, and which one will make my life easier when the group isn’t on and I wanna do keys
where even is iftk
oh i was using that anways
ye i mixed it with iftk
ye for itf u need some breakpoint to have 100% shiedld block
X haste rating
Solo play you’ll only really get more invites if you play Fdk probs
16k should be fine iirc
hunter will prob be the easiest to move around in the pug world assuming its still tuned high enough to be apart of it. But I imagine theres ton of viable variations of phys comp
really just need the classes and you can mix and match the specs and roles however u want
I know MM was giga before this last round of nerfs. Now I think BM is okay
Does frost work well in the phys comp though?
I mean it just kinda blasts
after the last round of nerfs fdk def aint op anymore
its good but its not crazy good
Assa's the bad one rn, which is funny. Think Outlaw is considered the best.
assa benefits like 3% from bshout or something
Don't quote me.
assa is def not bad
assa will always be the best rogue spec for m+ unless its horribly undertuned
I mean I’m not pushing for title or anything so it’s not like super sweaty. Probably just like 17-18s





