arms

[fresh spire]

Condemn takes its spot

[icy mulch]

Ancient Aftershock >

[sharp wyvern]

[sharp wyvern]

now that would be hype

fuck condemn

[icy mulch]

[lucid thicket]

Imagine unironically not liking Condemn

[shadow ibex]

Impossible with am

[fresh spire]

Cater to the class trees introduce something to replace roar that interacts better with colossus and thane and then spear dies for 100-80 execute+additional damage as shadow from condemn

[sharp wyvern]

seriously the devs should be aware about the fact we take 8 fucking passive nodes instad of roar talents or spear

[shadow ibex]

Idk so much of this is also pvp shit. We can't have a strong 3 minute cooldown because we're a class balanced around low uptime in the minigame

[shadow ibex]

AND THEYVE REMADE THE TREE LIKE 3 TIMES

Same mistakes

[fresh spire]

Spear would be moved to a cc spot on tree with 0 damage or moved to pvp talent

[lucid thicket]

he thinks they balance pve for pvp reasons

[icy mulch]

At this point, PVP might as well be a completely separate game.

[lucid thicket]

doesn't realize we get the shit end of pve choices

[grim oasis]

theyve shifted the game in general away from 3min cds

most classes are 45/1.30 or 1/2

[sharp wyvern]

they dont tune for for it but they do change how abilities work sometimes because of pvp

[shadow ibex]

I mean we have charge and 0 ranged attacks

We'll never get a cd like meta

[icy mulch]

We got a temu version of it.

[grim oasis]

press avatar while ur in heroic leap

gg

[lucid thicket]

What is Ava/Reck

[sharp wyvern]

we have weapon throw

[icy mulch]

The new Reckless abandon.

[shadow ibex]

20% dmg increase

It isn't meta or a 3min cd for another class

[fresh spire]

Avatar is colossus smash but less amp longer durstion

Legit same button different icon

[lucid thicket]

It's like 2 min for Meta iirc

[icy mulch]

and thankfully neither can be parried now.

[lucid thicket]

But they can get mini-Metas

[sharp wyvern]

remove avatar and make CS give 40%

[lucid thicket]

Imagine getting parried in the year of our Lord 2025

[rare kite]

warbreaker can still be parried...

just cs can't

[shadow ibex]

Lmao

[sharp wyvern]

question tho
if we had more passive points to take for dmg would we even take warlords torment ?

[shadow ibex]

If we had no other options?

[sharp wyvern]

like if cruel strikes would be a 3 point node

[shadow ibex]

Warlord is honestly insulting

6sec reck? Every 90

Idek how long it is

[sharp wyvern]

6 sec yep

20% crit chance for 6 gcds

[shadow ibex]

It's like had a moment of clarity and realized it can't be too strong it in the class tree

But failed to realize the 18 nodes above it contributing to our dam

[sharp wyvern]

reinforced plates and armoured to the teeth are just there to waste 4 points

land they put them over spear aswell

[thick kelp]

Sanctified plates 🥀

[shadow ibex]

Idk how they have shit like that

Meanwhile DK capstone x2 charges on death advance

Or will of the necro

[rare kite]

this is how we get double time as a capstone

[latent moss]

12.0 its gone

avatar goner

from tree

[shadow ibex]

Flash back to the dark times when it shared a node with bolt

And like, second wind? Ider

[latent moss]

and iv

impending victory

[shadow ibex]

LMAO

[latent moss]

double time iv storm bolt

[shadow ibex]

Very similar abilities

[latent moss]

it was cinema

do u want

mobility and rage gen, survivability or the only cc in ur kit

without storm bolt

[shadow ibex]

Idk how I did 2s in bfa

[latent moss]

warriors had 0 cc btw

[shadow ibex]

Thinking about that

[latent moss]

unless u were tauren

[shadow ibex]

And somehow it was the most fun

[latent moss]

i just played double time as arms

[shadow ibex]

I think it was cuz bfa had OP pve tank trinkets

[latent moss]

and said no double time was big dps loss

[shadow ibex]

Oh I mean pvp yea

[latent moss]

oh pvp

no glue about pvp

[shadow ibex]

Pve I think you no matter what dt

Let the rogue do the cc in bfa

Or DH

Every key had 1 of the 2

Man bfa pvp was so fucked

DH had fighting game invuln frames

Just randomly immune your bolt with blade dance or meta

[lucid thicket]

Bfa was fucked in general

Whoever decided that Azerite Powers were a good idea should be dragged out back and shot at the bare minimum

[shadow ibex]

It was just tier

With a grind

[lucid thicket]

Worse than tier

Didn't roll the exact 4 nodes? Eat shit its worthless

[latent moss]

i played with a cracked rogue

was good

[fresh spire]

Azurite early expansion be like

[shadow ibex]

I was prot in keys

[fresh spire]

Man good job your a top tier raider. Enjoy your 1st trait in 3 weeks

[shadow ibex]

Didn't they have a vendor you could gamble for or buy specific?

[river ridge]

Yup S2 there was a vendor. You got dust from doing M+ from the weekly chest.

Took like 3 weeks to buy one item

[shadow ibex]

I remember gambling and getting best chest and shoulders first try

Meticulous scheming

Got the shoulders and chest every tier. Very fun wearing same item just higher ilvl for like 3 years

[vast helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[icy mulch]

Azerite armors were indeed not implemented well at all. Sadly, a lot of them are baked into classes now.

[gaunt owl]

They were a big miss

people only remember the broken one

but most of them were absolute shite

[icy mulch]

I was very happy to get rid of that necklace as well.

Some of the powers it could use looked cool, but man it was such a drag.

Depends on last minute tuning, but fury is looking better right now.

[sour forge]

To be frank, arms needs some major love to outshine fury currently

[sharp wyvern]

It's gonna get Aura buffs dw

.5 patch at the latest

[sour forge]

Buff sks/ms

[oak quartz]

Delete sks

[sour forge]

After this tier sure

But colo needs it

[gaunt owl]

Make SKS 300% more dmg

[sour forge]

Ionizing strike type buff

[gaunt owl]

If we buff the button enough people will overwrite their short memory with WOW IT WAS A GREAT ABILITY

[icy mulch]

They could still target buff a few things for Arms that might bring them up to par. For raid anyways.

[gaunt owl]

MS by 50%

easy fix

[void bay]

Bring sunder armor back as part of arms core rotation!

[gaunt owl]

ok thats such a bad idea

[icy mulch]

Or just Arms only execute.

[gaunt owl]

i'm gonna campaign to get you muted for a day to rethink

[void bay]

[weak rain]

will we see some final tunning before the patch you think?

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-hood-fortune-teller-future-prediction-gif-25704815

[gaunt owl]

it's that or after heroic week when nobody plays Arms anyway

[weak rain]

my rl just told me that fury is useless and arms is trash go dk, fml

[icy mulch]

I won't be surprised if we see Thane nerfs for Fury/Prot, and some how Arms will catch a stray again.

[sour forge]

For raid? That’s a big cap

Fury is in a good spot

[weak rain]

For raid, myth prog, yes

[sour forge]

Ya no that’s a cap lol

Fury is fine

[icy mulch]

Unless you have a Prot warrior, 1 dps warrior will be there for shout.

[sour forge]

Asking you to reroll is troll

[weak rain]

We have 2 warriors, 1 have ret alt(rets are trash too) and I have dk. My rl thinks fury is just a useless spec, arms is ok, but trash numbers-wise

sO it looks like im dk if no tunning

[sour forge]

I think prot war is gonna struggle in raid though right?

[gaunt owl]

always hard to bring a protwar

[icy mulch]

Anything with ST, kinda.

[sour forge]

Fury is literally better than arms currently for s3

[shadow ibex]

Prot was good this tier

I wouldn't be surprised if minmax source of bshout is just prot war

[sour forge]

Doesn’t pwar get shafted by the amount magic damage

[icy mulch]

Externals would be needed.

[shadow ibex]

I don't think anyone is set it stone until raid week

[icy mulch]

I'd rather not have to raid tank, at least I got the gear for it though.

[olive nest]

Fury tier for me probably

Think I need a break from jug gamba

[sour forge]

Welcome

[olive nest]

We’ll see though I’m way to arms obsessed

I say this every tier lmao

[sour forge]

I usually dabble in arms but this season kinda forced me to Col m+

[olive nest]

Amirdrassil was the first time I actually did fury tier

I liked Colo M+

Furry clappa seems like it’s going to be so good this next tier

[sour forge]

Ya colo was fine I just vibe with fury more

But it felt a little troll outside of top and rook

[shadow ibex]

If I get the go ahead for DK I'm committing that

Idk if our tank is prot again

[vast helm]

its time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[gaunt owl]

[lucid thicket]

[minor gust]

[icy mulch]

🫗

[rare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[fresh spire]

[naive sage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[spiral coral]

[olive nest]

[dim basalt]

[latent moss]

[thick kelp]

[young raft]

??

[toxic elm]

https://tenor.com/view/coffin-coffin-dance-crew-dance-ghana-gif-17020916

[shadow ibex]

Get off work crack a beer to the greatest show in discord

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-duck-gif-13236181837901593958

[spiral coral]

imagine being a new arms player and seeing this

[minor gust]

https://youtu.be/tqKhlfzf6-k?si=ZB2bQwMKNHofv1sb

[young raft]

Time for what brehs ?

[minor gust]

Make sure to like and comment for this great react video

[dim basalt]

Whats up with the arms troll nicknames

[minor gust]

@latent moss

[spiral coral]

boredom

[sour forge]

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-brennan-huff-step-brothers-no-not-at-all-gif-16704124883174027526

[high field]

buff warrior

[sour forge]

Buff odyn fury

[latent moss]

12.0

arms owns

in 12.0

[sour forge]

And sks

[dim basalt]

owns at the bottom fuck yeah

[spiral coral]

I'm going to make Arms own in 11.2 dawg

[minor gust]

12.0 arms owns

[latent moss]

12.0

[spiral coral]

I'll still play whatever does most in raid, but, I'm bored of mt.

[sour forge]

Half of s1 we played thane

[spiral coral]

I played thane the wrong season (this season). I'll pick it up later on next season I'm sure.

I played all three wars and specs but Arms the least for the first time lol

[sour forge]

You didn’t arms in keys?

[spiral coral]

I did when I got to around +15ish but for the most part I played Fury this season in keys.

[icy mulch]

I especially liked the intimidating shout angle. Lol

[minor gust]

He's the goat

🐐

[shadow ibex]

talented tom

but not fatal

idk about that goat talk idkkkkkkk

yall think they will delete the valorstones bags you can take from m+ vault

or disable them somehow. ik valor isn't getting reset so idk why they would

trying to go into s3 with like 100 caches of valorstone

[minor gust]

no clue but its worth trying

[shadow ibex]

young boy never farm valorstones again

[latent moss]

time to watch the goat madox

[minor gust]

🐐

need more content creator reactions

[charred brook]

Had a dream I was topping the meters in execute phase

Woke back up to my nightmare

[minor gust]

that dream will come true in 12.0

[spiral coral]

[charred brook]

Atleast I won’t be stuck in priory prison anymore right

…right

[spiral coral]

.... FUCK

[charred brook]

Do we have to be a support class for hunters next season

[minor gust]

yes

[hexed snow]

If my crafted embellishment right now is cloak and we should be ready to swap over for next season

[charred brook]

Fml

[hexed snow]

What do I go for instead?

Currently its Cloak + Bracers

Boots? - I feel like thats also bad cuz of boots from the bosses

[charred brook]

Bracers boots ig

But boots from bosses yea

And can’t do belt

[latent moss]

rn he is yapping about slam spam

he doesnt know what battlelord does xdddddd

or taste for blood

[sharp wyvern]

how about just run with wrists since you replace everything anyway

[charred brook]

Taste for blood was my fav talent of all time

Idk why

Maybe just good memories

[latent moss]

cause its peak

simple gameplay

[hexed snow]

Like single wrists no other embellishement?

[latent moss]

works well

[sour forge]

Wrist and wep

[charred brook]

Maybe cause I only PvP back then

And fat overpower owned

[sharp wyvern]

wep would be realy dumb especially for arms

[sour forge]

S2 emb will probably be replaced by ilvl is my guess

[charred brook]

And if you overpowered somebody during a cast it would nerf it

[latent moss]

ye but arms

[charred brook]

It was so good

[latent moss]

in 11.2

[charred brook]

What was that talent

[latent moss]

[charred brook]

If you overpower somebody mid cast it debuffed them

[sour forge]

Honestly don’t even worry about s2 emb

[minor gust]

dont worry to much about embelishments their piss weak barely anything. S3 is gonna be the same as S2 start with crafted wep and wrists(unless lucky from vault) and transition to wrist/belt later or wrist/bigarmor slot for ilvl

[sour forge]

Is there any decent jewelers emb

[jade ember]

As in embells that go on jewelry? Pretty much just the focusing lens damage proc. Everything else that can is bad.

Or I haven't seen any of the others ever be used at least, I don't think.

[sick leaf]

Are they doing nothing with crafting again for S3? Like no new blacksmithing stuff? It’s kinda boring as designed

[sharp wyvern]

i only know that there is new ore

[minor gust]

embellishments seem to be pretty forgotten and left behind this expansion

nothing new for blizz

[jade ember]

It's a lot of work for a very small bonus, esp with S3 gear.

[minor gust]

they were already pretty worthless with S2 gear

[dim basalt]

Even S1 if we are being honest

At least in comparison to DF

[minor gust]

yee

[jade ember]

Hopefully they aren't so awful in Midnight

[dim basalt]

They will be

[jade ember]

Just give engineers something that matters this time, please

I belieb

[sour forge]

Let us craft tier

[jade ember]

Also stop giving me special cloaks and belts so I can still pretend there's a reason to stay engi

Thanks

[sour forge]

Rip engi

[minor gust]

could genuinly be an option to help crafting maintain usefulness. Remove the catalyst shit and instead you craft your tier instead of turning gear into tier

[sour forge]

Time to swap to alchemy

[jade ember]

4 hour flasks poggers

[sour forge]

As long as it isn’t lower ilvl

[minor gust]

I mean that doesnt matter

[sour forge]

Doesn’t it?

[minor gust]

you will get myth tier anyways from playing the game

so no it doesnt

its just to help you aquire tier in the first place

[sour forge]

What about non myth raiders

[minor gust]

not a bis item

[hexed snow]

Hold on guys Madox is typing.

[magic canopy]

Has to be a bench unfortunatly. Being on a mount means your legs wont be locked at a 90 degree angle at all times. Becuase of this you won't be making the most of Ignore Pain as you fight blood clots

[dim basalt]

potion bombs kekw

[minor gust]

normally I would say fuck em but yeah that would put another layer of get fucked for M+ only players. Maybe hit a certain key lvl bracket and you get tokens to upg em idk

[hexed snow]

https://tenor.com/view/yungviral-gif-570542313379526372

Found the new bench meta boys

[shadow ibex]

embellishments seem like only around to justify prof system

various 1-2% gains, with 90% of them being ignored since they arent the best

[minor gust]

eh you could argue being able to craft unlucky slots is valuable

especially rings and neck

[sour forge]

Being same ilvl would promote that better

So you aren’t afraid of crafting big pieces and losing out on stats

(If unlucky)

[shadow ibex]

i dont mind the crafted gear but i wouldnt mind embellishments being gone. just feels like crossing off things on a checklist so guild doesn't yell at you

none of them have any feeling cuz they can't otherwise they aren't 1-2% gains

[outer holly]

I mind embellishments not being tied to the professions

Sure you can craft the gear, but you can't have the shiny buff without doing it yourself

[sour forge]

Think he means removing emb altogether

[shadow ibex]

some you could, like BS could make fang adornments and put it on your own weapon

but fang adornments was bad

[outer holly]

Oh I get that, I want to bring back mandatory professions for min maxing

[shadow ibex]

which goes back to 90% of them just useless since they dont sim best

[sour forge]

Nah don’t force people onto specific prof

That’s bad

[shadow ibex]

MoP has that now sorta

BS gets free sockets

engi tinker

[spiral coral]

I’ll just go play osrs if I wanted to “skill” tbh

[void bay]

Dont u you just auto attack in osrs? It looks boring as hell

[outer holly]

I think you mostly post on reddit

[sour forge]

Did you mean classic?

[spiral coral]

If they’d just make professions do stuff for mounts instead of putting them in the shop or giving it to pvp

[void bay]

no

[spiral coral]

I think that would make professions relevant, kinda. Mogs and mounts.

[sour forge]

That would def overhaul the economy too

[shadow ibex]

they throw mogs on reps

that ive genuinely never maxed out

i didn't reach max rep with anything in DF and damn sure not maxing out any rep in TWW cept raid

[spiral coral]

Like I die a bit inside when I see dope mounts go into the shop. I just see a missed opportunity for content

[outer holly]

Oh you didn't grind [Mammoth recolour #14] yet?

[spiral coral]

Super ez to grind out the DF reps rn tbh

[shadow ibex]

there was a time in this game alliance players complained about horses

cuz they got a lot of horses i guess

so they got that bee mount in BFA that was alli only

[spiral coral]

I’m only missing some of cartel reps to be maxed out

Hallowfall mounts are so sick

[sour forge]

Druid form mounts when

[spiral coral]

I’m starved on crystals

[shadow ibex]

meanwhile i cant spend them lol

[outer holly]

warrior mount when

fly around with some leg kicks, or possibly whirlwind style

[shadow ibex]

ive never spent a resonance cyrstal

everyone ive looted i still have

[sour forge]

A helicopter mount with a warrior just blade storming on the top

[spiral coral]

Omg I wish I could buy them from you. I’m still missing like 3 mounts to unlock because getting 24kish crystals is wack (after spending sooo much on other shit)

[jade ember]

Nah just have a carrot on a stick in front of the warrior and have him Charge it.

[sour forge]

But how would it fly

[shadow ibex]

i have about 50k

[jade ember]

You throw the carrot, duh

[latent moss]

@magic canopy good talk 12.0 will save us 🙏

[shadow ibex]

genuinely nothing to buy

[minor gust]

12.0 🙏

[spiral coral]

I was really sad the the back pack from raid didn’t have a separate mount thing that just let you fly with a back pack

[sour forge]

11.2

[spiral coral]

Like gta San Andreas’s

[shadow ibex]

i still havent seen that gobs iron chin

our prot war has it on his DK

idek where the fuck its from

[spiral coral]

I just got it

Looks insane

[jade ember]

Model rigging and animations would have cost at least 2 raid tiers

[shadow ibex]

that shit may as well be from a fuckin hidden mob under the world

where does it even come from

[outer holly]

delves

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-box-gif-4154066459530846772

[spiral coral]

I got it from a random delve when underpin randomly spawned

Got it from his chest specifically

Been looking for it all season too

[outer holly]

yeah sounds about right, I keep getting warbound ones like that

[latent moss]

xan doing fury then we do class and explode on forums

12.0 🙏

[minor gust]

We will strike hard and fast

12.0

🙏

[latent moss]

hard and slow

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

charge ava wb guillotine guillotine cleave bladestorm

slayer will own

colossus will own

[minor gust]

pssssssshhhhh you think im playing cleave when I got mutha fuckin funnel

[latent moss]

true

[spiral coral]

Arms funnel spec

[void bay]

Funnel sunder armor to 5 mobs in aoe

[latent moss]

explode immediately

[latent moss]

rot in steel + hemorrhage colossus

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-gif-25783770

12.0

[minor gust]

[void bay]

Why dont u like sunder

[latent moss]

exploiter guillotine

into in for the kill second guillotine

pack disappears

12.0

[minor gust]

will have a sick banger sound effect like mortal combo

[latent moss]

5 jugg stacks

ye

prob shouldve noted it somewhere

[spiral coral]

Someone get the warr dev in here boys are cookin

[latent moss]

long imgur image coming to forums

soon

with fury and class tree

safeguard is coming back

2 leaps

12.0

[shadow ibex]

2 LEAPS

[latent moss]

memory of the leaper

my beloved

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/tru-2chainz-rule-the-world-song-true-truth-gif-18811196

[sharp wyvern]

Stop the cope

[sage badge]

[sharp wyvern]

this is going to far

[shadow ibex]

fury belongs to the streets

[latent moss]

deswind come back to arms in 12.0

[sharp wyvern]

you are setting yourselfs up for depression once 12.0 beta hits

[minor gust]

no you must believe

[sharp wyvern]

[sage badge]

[latent moss]

trust the imgur image

[minor gust]

and fight with us on the forums once were ready

[shadow ibex]

we said the same stuff in DF

11.0 rework surely

[latent moss]

df had no imgur image

[sharp wyvern]

idk in what to belive in the imgur fanfic or that there is a warrior dev

[latent moss]

now we have

[minor gust]

In the long imgur we believe

🙏

[sharp wyvern]

our lord and saviour

john imgur

[latent moss]

long image becoming longer with fury

[sour forge]

Did yall see the meat cleaver funnel idea for fury

• damage to primary for each enemy hit by meat cleaver

Devs should stop by and take notes

[latent moss]

i mean

there is so much they could do

so much unexplored ideas

for both specs

idk to me it seems like they stopped caring after legion

[dim basalt]

dead game, Asmongold was right all along

[minor gust]

very lil actual creative decisions go into warrior

[shadow ibex]

??? you dont think 7 stat nodes is creative?

does no other class have their bottom row of talents canniblized by 2/2 ranks of a stat increase?

and not even unique to our spec tree too

[minor gust]

Need I remind you of what happened to poor poor SOA

[shadow ibex]

warrior fantasy = picking up 1% haste and crit in your talent tree

since all 3 specs have those type of talents, ig that's the fantasy?

[latent moss]

9000000000000 million damage execute

12.0

[shadow ibex]

me waiting for the class fantasy to become passive sweeping

PROT GOT IT CMON ARMS

I BELIEVE

https://tenor.com/view/proud-of-you-emotional-cry-sad-girl-gif-1257088295181012831

[sour forge]

Prot getting a cleave execute before arms is wild

[latent moss]

arms has aoe execute if u talent into it

12.0

its soon

[sour forge]

Every other tick of Bs casts execute

[shadow ibex]

make SD count for rage spent

if DKs can get that shit for like 18 years

that's honestly one of my biggest pet peeves

rime works as a rune spent but ???? consistency

[sour forge]

Tryna bring back tom?

Or just for am purposes

[shadow ibex]

just for sake of consistency tbh

[minor gust]

Tom cant be brought back if it doesnt exist

[shadow ibex]

but yea i think tom should be good

[minor gust]

12.0🙏

[shadow ibex]

or at least not dead

i'd like choice nodesto be a choice

that node is fucked tho

at best its aoe vs ST

at best

which is very boring for a node to be IMO, especially right next to blunts and WB

which is just aoe vs ST

two aoe vs ST talents right next to eachother kinda tacky kinda ugly ngl

[icy mulch]

Man, I need that right now. It's so warm and humid. Feels like the air has a layer of soup in it.

[rare kite]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[tacit crystal]

hi

[hollow plover]

hi gio

[tacit crystal]

kronzo

i need io

bro

[hollow plover]

huh

[tacit crystal]

3/4 19s im missing

[hollow plover]

what u want me to do about it

[tacit crystal]

i could have timed

[hollow plover]

im eu

[tacit crystal]

play on my acc

🙂

[hollow plover]

?

no

Weirdge

[tacit crystal]

you get to play dk

🙂

[hollow plover]

Why would i do that

[rare kite]

hi

[minor gust]

you still pressing buttons as frost

[shadow ibex]

monkey paw curls and they change tom to globals spent inside CS or something

aka flying in the face of the haste from iftk

[tacit crystal]

i only practice frost on top

[minor gust]

it hurts to play but I know it gets better next patch

[tacit crystal]

yeah

i got told to prep my dk before my warrior

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-hmmm-spd-snl-keenan-wait-a-minute-gif-22246045

why would that be

[hollow plover]

in ur top 500 guild ?

shii man

[shadow ibex]

[latent moss]

brutal

[tacit crystal]

madox

[magic canopy]

yeah every time i go out i come home and just douse myself in cold water. its v not fun

[tacit crystal]

did you see refined was looking for a war

what ahppened to relinda

[fresh spire]

uk every time its just warm

[void bay]

Invest in a fan

[fresh spire]

cant carry a fan around outside

[spiral coral]

You absolutely can

Power banks

Just roll around a box fan

[icy mulch]

I'm just glad I live in Canada and not the southern States. I'm told it's like this all the time.

[rare kite]

headfan

[jade ember]

Guys my flight out of Cleveland got delayed enough by a storm that I'm gonna miss my flight to get home tonight, haven't even talked to the Southwest people yet

Help

[icy mulch]

Hope you got a book or phone game to keep ya occupied till your flight is cleared. It really sucks though, I feel bad for ya.

[shadow ibex]

we just had a power surge in philly

today is mad weird

[jade ember]

I got like 8 hrs of YouTuve downloaded for 3 hours in the air

Getting back on the plane good luck us

[icy mulch]

Have a safe trip!

[dire hinge]

did you try spell reflect

(im sorry to hear about the travel woes, i hope you can get home safely soon friend)

[serene cairn]

I haven't been very tuned in to wow recently. How frustrating is playing around the juggernaut/execute stacking in raid now? I know at the start of the tier it was pretty annoying. Anything in the new tier set to make downtime less punishing?

[shadow ibex]

still gonna be tracking MFE. you send exe at 2 stacks and/if when jug is about to expire.

still probably gonna have occasions where you slam over exe because not at x2 stacks/milk jug uptime. quicksim for current tier casts slam like 35 times vs like 30 for next tier

just looking at slam casts at least

[icy mulch]

Slam is such a sad button to ever press.

[serene cairn]

how big of a deal is it to let it drop though? I know this tier my damage felt like it cratered if I had downtime on a boss (stix, sprocket if things went sideways and I had a far bomb etc)

[shadow ibex]

really comes down to how fast it is to build stacks back up

[icy mulch]

It's a pretty big loss.

[shadow ibex]

its not gonna feel good

even if its minor players dont like missing out

[icy mulch]

Worst part is sometimes you just have no control over it.

[shadow ibex]

if you lose a 12 stacks cuz mech, how long does it take to get to 12

[grave mulch]

Mannnn I can’t wait for S3

I want something new to do

[fair tinsel]

Cant wait to play my fdk and mm hunter

[sour forge]

Can’t wait to see 6 months of doomers

[fair tinsel]

Thank blizzard

They shown in tww prepatch how fury could be good in keys without uncap

Arms idk though

Last time that felt great was bfa when having 70% haste

[fair tinsel]

Well, less feels great than viable

Mop was smooth

[balmy kindle]

Inb4 nerfed before raid and m+ opens

Knowing blizzard it's never good to be on top 1st week

[fair tinsel]

I've got havoc ready too

and enhance (likely ele going off tuning atm though)

[balmy kindle]

Same I have havoc ready as well , set bonus is looking insane and my push group has 2 casters

But never know , blizz loves their week 1 trolling

[silk gull]

Sorry for stupid question but should you use Ravager single enemy if it's a boss?

[quaint otter]

Yes

It does send ms each other gcd

[zealous pivot]

is shamelessly plugging my stream of mediocre warrior gameplay allowed here?

[magic canopy]

There is a #promotion section you can do so in

[zealous pivot]

are you the youtube madox?

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-weird-stare-big-eyes-gif-26186132

yuh

[zealous pivot]

love your shit bruh

[magic canopy]

tyty

[zealous pivot]

you feel the passion yk

[magic canopy]

appreciate the kind words

tis bed time for me have a good day

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chuni-sleep-gif-20108376

[zealous pivot]

gngn

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-bed-sleep-going-to-bed-sleepy-gif-12132362867930761117

[strange perch]

@magic canopy Make a video please

[magic canopy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/894792867518771214/1109477164220428440/cat-chuni-reversed.gif

https://tenor.com/view/horse-bed-sleep-going-to-bed-sleepy-gif-14168377

[strange perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777652753274503209/1255784665562873978/f84ef8743b2dec20.gif

[fresh spire]

[empty marlin]

Hello guys, just a quick question. Do we need to press Mortal strike on cd or only after 2 overpower ?

[sacred zodiac]

Hate your shit bruh 🗣️

[fresh spire]

[swift crown]

Real Mad Ox???

Wow

Don't listen to this stupid Spongie57 hater

[fresh spire]

Hes mad

[swift crown]

No slam that shit on CD

[empty marlin]

Pro player data ?

[swift crown]

What

[empty marlin]

By the end of the year this button will be destroyed

Mark my words

[rare kite]

xD?

[fresh spire]

XD?

[swift crown]

XD?

No seriously no clue what youre waffling about

[icy mulch]

Slam or MS?

[sacred zodiac]

Pro player data ?

[sharp wyvern]

If you can't back your claims up with logs from revves don't even talk

[spring marten]

Hey guys . it.s still we play Clossous for arms in 11.2 or slayer?

[dim basalt]

In M+ Col

[spring marten]

I cannot find even 1 video for Arms warrior in ptr at youtube:D

[dim basalt]

Have you even tried looking

Because I can find multiple videos

[spring marten]

Can you link 1 of them pls

In any M+

[dim basalt]

I can even send the page https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ptr+arms+warrior

[strange perch]

[latent moss]

tbf

there are not many cause the spec is dogshit

[olive nest]

[brittle pelican]

[latent moss]

12.0

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bus-grumpy-car-driving-gif-9267379998701770684

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277500347516321792/1371480590284750948/1x.webp

[slow saddle]

Arms nerf when?

[shadow ibex]

Same number for arms and fury

[fresh spire]

Tonight surely. Need to be 15% behind

[slow saddle]

I mean some of these youtubers takes are so horrid

[strange perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN0ohjownnU

[unreal rover]

Where can I find the general Arms FAQ? Things like Hold CS for if <5 for CD if talented and SS is active etc

[slow saddle]

I mean its so situational

U kindda gotta learn it

[unreal rover]

Kinda like how the Mages do it:

Surely we've got a doc like that somewhere?

[slow saddle]

Thing is m8 in m+

[unreal rover]

Theorycrafters love their docs

[slow saddle]

When ya spec is based on multipliers

If arms u wanna cleave at 3 mobs ms at 2

Done

[unreal rover]

I get the idea of learning it yourself, but with thousands of people who love the maths of the game, write the documents and just full on nerd out in 10 pages of niche information - Not one of them is an Arms player?

[slow saddle]

Problem is doenst rly work with coø

[latent moss]

colo doesnt have that

[slow saddle]

In gen send shit

[latent moss]

u just cleave>ms>op on aoe and ms>op>exe>slam on st

ig collat optimizations but collat is very situational

[unreal rover]

What I mean is, That information is not on this discord via the guides or the FAQ, which just seems odd when it's still a part of the classes current design

[spiral coral]

Nope. Frost, arcane, and fire all having pooling choices and correct timings. Only thing with arms you possibly hold is Demo for 10 stacks in aoe.

[spiral coral]

what isn't?

[unreal rover]

Like this

[nimble girder]

how are we looking for m+ in 11.2?

[unreal rover]

I just want a little more info on some optimisation and I was asking where I'd find them

[spiral coral]

Because there isn't any holding/pooling or decision making

its just follow the prios

[unreal rover]

So holding CS for Collat when SS has 3 seconds left is not a decision to make?

Not sarcastic, I'm genuinely asking

Can't remember the debuff time, but if it's shorten than SS buff time etc.

3 seconds was just a random number to ask the question

[wanton sierra]

mister grey its nice to try to allign some skills, but rotation wise, you wont have that window... at least 2x op

[unreal rover]

My apologies, what do you mean at least x2 op?

[wanton sierra]

there is an scenario when you stack those colateral and blast next pull... so you should have CS up

[wanton sierra]

op = overpower, each op stack increases your cleave or mortal strike damage

[teal fossil]

its called martial prowess

MP

the buff it gives

[spiral coral]

But they're talking about Col

[wanton sierra]

sorry im off, its like 2 months i dont log on... but im playing mop classic and havin a blast! 😄

[unreal rover]

This is kinda what I mean in that I'd love to read more about niche stuff like this, is it worth getting 2 stacks of MP for that Cleave with Collat? Or just don't even think about it

[teal fossil]

its nice to have ya

[dim basalt]

Only worth if youre not gonna miss a cleave cast doing that

[unreal rover]

Send Cleave and if you get MP for the collateral, cool, but if not it doesn't matter at all overall or is it a minor DPS gain or even a loss for pressing OP when you could be pressing Cleave etc.

[wanton sierra]

that specific colateral stacked yes you need 2x op to blast it, but its not good to hold that cleave stacked for too long, sometimes is better just to send it

[teal fossil]

oh wait

MP is only 15%

lmao

i didnt realize

i just remember they nerfed it

[spiral coral]

@unreal rover I really wouldn't worry about this niche. Don't ever hold CS/WB though, send it as it comes with demo, if you have 10 stacks cool if not whatever. Feel like telling someone to hold for 10 stacks while learning is just going to fuck up their rotation and put the timings off. Arms just sends shit as it comes in terms of prio, period.

[teal fossil]

and buffed baseline

[unreal rover]

Thank you, I suppose missing a Cleave is always the worse option, I appreciate the help

[wanton sierra]

mister steel has it! demo aways with WB, other stuff is not that important

[dim basalt]

Eh, even demo you just send if WB has too much cd

[frank dagger]

Hitting fat collats is a fun minigame tho

[dim basalt]

Shouldnt happen though

[spiral coral]

agreed

[dim basalt]

Hitting 1st boss floodgate for almost 40M with cleave is fun

[unreal rover]

Understood, Thank you :) So it's only ever really worth holding if a 10 stacks Demo is coming up and holding those 5 seconds could make a difference? Or have I misread the advice

[wanton sierra]

yes, there is an min max that mister bizentain covered it, if you start 6-7 seconds pressing SS before pull your next col should be perfect allinged with big cds

[unreal rover]

Bizentain? Is that a comment here or YouTube?

[teal fossil]

hes the #2 warrior

[wanton sierra]

big warrior, the guy is insane

[dim basalt]

Who is #1

Crit?

[wanton sierra]

me

xD

[unreal rover]

Sounds like Kroggarb

[wanton sierra]

not me! im faaaar behind

[spiral coral]

I mean you should get 10 stacks, very quickly within a couple seconds in aoe after tc and applying deep wounds with cleave

[dim basalt]

Oh right Farover exists

[unreal rover]

And I suppose it's never worth holding Demo for WB

[wanton sierra]

there is a bunch if big warriors names

[unreal rover]

Especially at 10

[spiral coral]

Mmmmmm if wb is within like 5 seconds or something

I'd hold

[teal fossil]

Best Warriors in the servers based on leadership,firgurhead,big data collection,and Modesty on the server for this patch so far are : -

1- Bizentein
2-Critcake
2.5 - Revvez
3- Benzai
4- CupCakez
5- Deswind
6- Todu
7- Mr Rox
8- Jakey
9- Erga
10- Maid
11- Unfortunate
12- Epsilonee
13 - Warriorsari
14 - Grams
15 - geegee

mb

biz is #1

sorry

[dim basalt]

Ah forgot the copy pasta

[wanton sierra]

wow nice list! there is some old gems there, they were gods but now retired

[dim basalt]

Revvez at 2.5 still makes me laugh a bit

[teal fossil]

i think its cuz revvez doesnt hangout here

[wanton sierra]

like old warrior soul todu xD

[spiral coral]

it is if it's within 5 seconds or so

[wanton sierra]

i know and interacted with most of them, but there is some ive never seen here

[spiral coral]

too busy gaming dawg

[wanton sierra]

where is your spot on that list, mister steel ?

[spiral coral]

Next season

[wanton sierra]

archi, april, nomeratur

[latent moss]

goat

some names on here

....

[wanton sierra]

hehehe nice! rootin for you mister steel

[latent moss]

unfortunate goat

[teal fossil]

hes too busy edating

[strange perch]

wrong, wrong, wrooooooooooong

[wanton sierra]

next season i shall join an mythic raid, ive met some ppl and they are considering me ❤️

[spiral coral]

Paucks mad archi yelled at them

[wanton sierra]

those are legend ❤️

now, who is pauck? xD (just kiddin pauck <3)

[strange perch]

yeah..

[spiral coral]

I’m like “I wonder what I’m gonna get in my vault” then remembered i dont need anything

But filled it anyway

I think the only thing I forgot to do was get that cloud serpent mount from mop classic download leveling thing

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-otters-nutria-gif-25748318

[wanton sierra]

jesus bro i forgot the maintance!! i was about to log on to create scroll of wisdon, its daily locked!!!

[shadow ibex]

I'm just filling vault for valor stone bag

6 currency

Man if only valor didn't exist

[sharp wyvern]

midnight its gonna fix it

[shadow ibex]

I think that's possible tho tbh. With them making it not reset

Yea

I think that was them saying ok it's dumb they will be gone next

[sharp wyvern]

question is will it be warbound at seasonstart

[shadow ibex]

I think for health of players no

But idc I don't alt much until we are like 70% done prog

[sharp wyvern]

last season i saved up boxes from events in week 0
so i had like 5k valorstones saved up once m+ dropped

[shadow ibex]

Yea they need to die

[latent moss]

12.0

arms rework valora removal

[sharp wyvern]

just wait for WoW 2

[shadow ibex]

[sharp wyvern]

it will fix everything

[shadow ibex]

Gw2 did it

[sharp wyvern]

and it didnt help

[shadow ibex]

crazy to think about. Sequel to mmo. People have put years of hours into wow

Idk if you can really make a 2 of this genre lol

[olive nest]

Imagine they pull a square enix and just do a end of the world event and then we start over

[sharp wyvern]

would just be a level/stat squish

aint no way they delete every character

[latent moss]

lowkey

[shadow ibex]

I'm sure there are some players who if you add up their hours it's gotta be the equivalent of like 4 years spent in game

[latent moss]

would be cool

[olive nest]

Honestly that would probably actually kill this game

[latent moss]

after world soul saga ends

an expansion of peace type shit

[shadow ibex]

Guild wars gave you cosmetics in gw2

[olive nest]

Think about how many people probably stay only because they have 20 years of there life invested

[shadow ibex]

Titles and pets

[olive nest]

If blizzard just deleted that

[sharp wyvern]

see that makes sense

[olive nest]

People would leave

[sharp wyvern]

if you keep every accountbound thing

not that big of a deal

[shadow ibex]

You had a special room with like 5 statues to categorize accomplishments

[wanton sierra]

i mean, the plot leads to azeroth destruction... there is big references with HC lovecraft, and azathot is an cosmic horror that is at sleep, and all reality stands by its dream, so the moment azathot wakes, we are going to vanish, we are its dream xD

[shadow ibex]

And you filled them up. Armor sets. Companion. Pets. Hard mode challenges

All had point values to fill a meter that gave stuff. Exactly a renown track really

[frosty pike]

i would lose the insane amount of time i have put into WoW if it meant we could retcon the stupid alternate dimension / time travel / afterlife stuff they put into the story. its so hard to even care about the writing at this point

[olive nest]

If they did it in a way where we kept legendary appearances and mounts I could see it being well received

[sharp wyvern]

people play for raiding and dungeons not lore

this isnt FF14

[frosty pike]

both can exist in the same game

[olive nest]

Sadly it used to be a lot about lore man

[frosty pike]

and by that logic, nobody cares about their mounts and collections - we can just do a new WoW 2 with raids and dungeons!

[sharp wyvern]

we all watch the datamided cutszenes so we can skip them once we actually play through it

[olive nest]

People would RP their factions

That’s completely dead now

[shadow ibex]

Yea I think that ship has sailed

[sharp wyvern]

well lets see how housing is gonna turn out

[shadow ibex]

I like alli v horde

[sharp wyvern]

biggest casual addition to the game since mounts

[shadow ibex]

But I think that's gone the dinosaur way

[sharp wyvern]

even after the 8th time ?

[olive nest]

People’s mindsets evolved

[sharp wyvern]

just to team up again

[wanton sierra]

agreed, i like the old plot that we are enemies and boots on the ground... that war now feels like nothing

[olive nest]

Limited faction stuff is just not popular anymore

[frosty pike]

i'm happy the faction v faction stuff is gone away (mostly). i think warmode would be fun if it was entirely FFA at this point

[sharp wyvern]

they could still do something with sub factions that are in conflict

like the FF14 guilds

or whatver they are called

[wanton sierra]

how in the seven hells we dont have any kind of castle siege? i remember playin L2 and that kind of event was super fun... guilds were after to take big castles to get the respective city income, there was a tima that i was king, and hero!

[shadow ibex]

I just like two factions fighting it's very 00s mmo vibes

[olive nest]

Game felt “cooler” when glory and honor with your chosen faction mattered ngl

[frosty pike]

most of those older MMO mechanics of realm v realm or city owning / siege worked because they had populations of like 1-2k

[shadow ibex]

Not saying blizzard does it good it's same thing everytime

[frosty pike]

MMORPGs have a hard time existing today cause it needs to facilitate 5x the population of what it used to

[sharp wyvern]

yeah i agree factions dont work for modern day MMOs

splitting your playerbase is kinda weird

i think a modern version of that would be covenants and thats what they tried to do in SL

[shadow ibex]

As long as the content is doable across lines

[latent moss]

idk online games nowadays are just getting competitive and focus on performance more than anything else

[sharp wyvern]

exactly

[toxic elm]

factions were so cool and impactful super early, like BC and wrath

definitely made the game better

[latent moss]

and people chase parses / highest keys

[sharp wyvern]

why were they impactful ?

outside of RP

[olive nest]

This is just it, the game practically isn’t even an mmo anymore

[toxic elm]

very strong "us vs them" vibe, I guess it didn't matter if you were on a pve server or w/e

but on a pvp server it was peak

[latent moss]

and its not even a wow only thing

[wanton sierra]

remember at blizzcon if someone shouted its respective faction? everybody starts shoutin around

[toxic elm]

and that was before sharding

[latent moss]

all games are like this

[toxic elm]

so you'd get to know the other faction's baddies and they'd get to know you

[olive nest]

I agree and it’s a sad reality for me personally

[frosty pike]

is this what it means to get old

[sharp wyvern]

i just dont understand this appeal

but i started in wrath and i love instance based games

[shadow ibex]

It's fun in a pvp game. I play warhammer online private server and it's pretty much only pvp game

[latent moss]

i think blizzards best move atp is to go deep in spec fantasy and gameplay

wow has the best combat

[shadow ibex]

Leading warbands of 24 players you begin to recognize the People leading them

[wanton sierra]

me too mister ravon, i mmean... i played some unofficial servers than i started on LK on officials

[toxic elm]

I guess it depends on the memories you made/stuff you did around that time, but for me it really was an awesome experience and the alliance vs horde stuff was a big part of that

[sharp wyvern]

reason i hated D4 was cause you have to run everywhere cause OpEn WoRlD
and everygame does this
just let me get into the fucking dungeon

[toxic elm]

I wouldn't expect everyone had that experience

[olive nest]

I’d assume the appeal is geared towards the mindset of a person who doesn’t think every single person on the planet needs to be considered equal

[frosty pike]

its the social aspect of it. you wanted to fight the same people every day, you made friends with people who had similar interests.

you could replace most of my M+ groups with AI and im not sure i could tell on the average day

[wanton sierra]

damn i need to start to "awnser" ppl coz chat is gettin down fast

[latent moss]

yeah no point talking about arms its dead until 12.0 anyway

[shadow ibex]

[latent moss]

dw 12.0 is gonna be peak

[toxic elm]

but I would be paratrooping into stormwind city with my squad of 8 dudes playing a protret pvp pally build, taking on the city until they called in their big pvp guild to route us out

[olive nest]

It truly does I could see that turning out well

[toxic elm]

at like 3am

[wanton sierra]

im tauren at mop classic bro, arms is strong there! taurengarb!

[toxic elm]

core gaming memories for me born from faction warfare

[latent moss]

its annoying how bland specs are

in a game where combat is the reason people play it

[shadow ibex]

7 stat nodes

[latent moss]

not the only reason ye but a big reason for sure

[sharp wyvern]

the gameplay is still good tho

[latent moss]

it is cause combat is perfect

but it could be a lot better

[sharp wyvern]

if you ignore your passive tree and dont know every intricate thing about your spec

as soon as you understand how to play optimally it starts to get annoying cause of the amount of shit you have to track

[wanton sierra]

retail is too overwealming, there is so much stuff that its hard to an new guy to try to keep up, thats why we are the same community, we grow old togueter and there is no new players on wow xD

[sharp wyvern]

thats true for mythic raiding
idk how true that is for normal/hc

or even m+

[latent moss]

they gotta realize

paying for an expansion and then paying monthly

isnt what u do

in 2025

[shadow ibex]

Of course you don't have to, but competing for raid slots and parses for those who will

[shadow ibex]

The fact monthly subscription doesn't give me like a free race change every few months

Idk

Shit like that

Rivals is free lmao

[wanton sierra]

i get ravons point, but when you learn to play optimal, you shall never go back... you wont "degenerate" your progression

[latent moss]

i mean if it made sense to track them it wouldnt feel bad

shit like juggernaut is just objectively bad

[sharp wyvern]

jugg

exactly what i was talking about

[latent moss]

sd should be a big feel good proc

same with tactician

tactician is your gameplay enabler

[shadow ibex]

How far are we from them just giving us the few buffs to track as movable elements on UI

[sharp wyvern]

SD will show you the stacks on the button next patch

[latent moss]

and its locked behind rng

makes no sense

thats why in mine and walhes rework u get op deterministically

[sharp wyvern]

if tactician wouldnt also look the EXACT same as a OP reset i wouldnt even mind that much

[latent moss]

and tactician is a big proc

its fixable by making slam less boring but

[sharp wyvern]

its mostly a UI issue for me

[latent moss]

that wouldnt change anything

[sharp wyvern]

except jugg

[latent moss]

slam being pressed so often as a last resort filler with no interactions

[wanton sierra]

hey we had banners, that we can intervene, we had shouts, interrupt aoe... we had bloodbourne, lil popup button that bleeds your target, we had big button to help tanks, vigilance somemthing... where are those skills man

[latent moss]

is very bad

[wanton sierra]

our battle shout was part of rotation, it gives rage... why its changed

[shadow ibex]

It could get some oblit like effect to make pressing it in cs immediately make you not have to press it again for a few globals unless very unluck

[fresh spire]

Battleshout has no cd on ptr

Can spam it hard as fuck in downtime

[shadow ibex]

Like auto proc op reset

[wanton sierra]

i liked it, i like to press battleshout on combat, especially if you can sync with mimdway charge or bladestorm, you wont lose cgd, adds fun to it

[sharp wyvern]

never understood the slam hate
people are surprised a filler is a filler like its weird

[shadow ibex]

A capstone to make the slam hit hard as fuck inside cs ( call it slam and smash idc)

Well it's done different stuff in the past while still being filler

I don't think just cuz it's filler means it has to feel bad

[wanton sierra]

slam is the worst filler in the game xD feels bad to press it, damage output its on late cgd, its a bad skill

[strange perch]

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[sharp wyvern]

cobra shot on BM is pretty close to slam when it comes to feeling imo

[shadow ibex]

I think it used to hit harder in cs

Had a cast time

[latent moss]

its a last resort filler

[shadow ibex]

It's been very different

[latent moss]

it has 0 interactions

and u press it

sometimes

6 out of 10 globals

is the issue

[sharp wyvern]

why does a filler need tome interactions

[wanton sierra]

on mop we slam themm down, its big dam button

[latent moss]

if u press something

[sharp wyvern]

thats what happened to OP and it became more than a filler

[latent moss]

6/10 globals

[teal fossil]

there are much wores filler

[latent moss]

u want it to do something

[sharp wyvern]

now it can be prio #1 with the right proc

thats not a filler anymore

[fresh spire]

[latent moss]

no way u are arguing that pressing slam as much as we press it now is fine

[shadow ibex]

I think you just remove it

[sharp wyvern]

as soon as oyu have interactions on a filler there will be situations where its gonna be higher prio

[shadow ibex]

That's ok

[sharp wyvern]

therefore not a filler anymore

[latent moss]

thats why u reduce the amount of slam casts

and its fine

[shadow ibex]

If it's a capstone talent

[wanton sierra]

plz dont bring crushing assault back! it was like 4% proc rate and yes, it blasted ppl out on pvp coz massive numbers, but its so rarely... azerite powers

[sharp wyvern]

never argued that

[shadow ibex]

That's OK to change gameplay

[latent moss]

slam is fine as a last resort filler

its bad cause we press it too often

atm

[shadow ibex]

Opportunist would be the perfect capstone

[sharp wyvern]

buff tactician

[latent moss]

just add taste for blood

ms gives u 2 op

tactician would need to be like df

[shadow ibex]

Un change rage costs

[teal fossil]

37 slams over 5 minutes isnt that much

[sharp wyvern]

slam costing 5 rage so we press it more for tactician procs

[wanton sierra]

but if you check details, even 37 slams is close to nothing

[shadow ibex]

I think its OK to not like 37 presses that didn't do anything but fill the time

If we wanna squint and say am value of 20 ability sure

[sharp wyvern]

thats clearly not the issue
cause i assume you would still dislike slam if it just got a flat buff

[shadow ibex]

But a lot of those uses are us slamming over execute because wenste milking jugg uptime and mfe

So it feels even more bad imo

[teal fossil]

well thats a differnet problme

yea

[wanton sierra]

your assume is correct

but at mop i do like slam, if you press it with SS it has an AOE effect

[teal fossil]

theres always going to be a dogshit filler

[latent moss]

not anymore

sd>slam

[latent moss]

ye but keep it as last resort

arms lacks a button on st without exe

[shadow ibex]

Just let exe always

Ffs

[latent moss]

u have 2 buttons with interactions

ms and op

[teal fossil]

arcane shot is also a do nothing spell

they press that shit way more

[wanton sierra]

slam should have like 10 secs cd and it should give rage regen or flat rage... so it become part of rotation and not a filler

[latent moss]

so if their

gameplay is even worse

ours is fine

?