They’ll fix it
#arms
steep osprey
native obsidian
yep
spiral coral
That’s how it kinda felt
latent moss
12.0
minor gust
Its alright im taking my juggernaut vacation with some fury action
spiral coral
Wow 2??? Someone call Preach
minor gust
😎
lucid thicket
So I'll see you all playing spooky arms?
shadow ibex
Its alright im taking my juggernaut vacation with some fury action
frost DK or bust
spiral coral
So I'll see you all playing spooky arms?
shadow ibex
still get to use 2h as frost DK
minor gust
frost DK or bust
yeah thats my alt shits gonna own
lucid thicket
still get to use 2h as frost DK
Ye, spooky arms
spiral coral
I’ll be probably borderline maining fdk
shadow ibex
XD cuz blizz doesn't want us playing arms amirite 
lucid thicket
XD cuz blizz doesn't want us playing arms amirite <:keks:936231610850897992>
Class Changes
• Woyer
• Arm
Get fucked lmao
minor gust
spiral coral
Archi killed Arms confirmed
rare kite
never appreciated archi more
minor gust
He like Palpatine has been sowing the seeds of arms downfall since the begining
smoky kayak
Archi killed Arms confirmed
Yeah, I’ve been subliminally hiding “nerf Arms” in all my feedback
lucid thicket
In the beginning, Arms was ass. In the end, Arms is ass
smoky kayak
whispers Fury tier 🤫
smoky kayak
In the beginning, Arms was ass. In the end, Arms is ass
S1 raid was actually p good for Arms
lucid thicket
S1 raid was actually p good for Arms
The beginning was Classic
And God knows you don't play Arms in classic
smoky kayak
I mean ok, if you wanna go that far back, no it was called vanilla - classic came well after
lucid thicket
Same shit lmao
smoky kayak
And if you wanna go that far back, Arms was way better when WoW first started
Fury didn’t even exist until the second patch of BWL turned Bloodthirst into a real attack - you can blame Indalamar for that one. Even then it didn’t start to take off until late AQ/Naxx gearing
elfin kindle
Arms is a pvp spec
spiral coral
Arms is a pvp spec
steep osprey
Fury didn’t even exist until the second patch of BWL turned Bloodthirst into a r...
Wait, is that Ramaladni backwards
That name is in a lot of blizzard stuff
smoky kayak
Yeah that’s where the name came from
smoky kayak
Wait, is that Ramaladni backwards
Travis Day was a senior game designer on WoW, D3, and bunch of other stuff at Blizz; before getting a job there he played a Warrior named Indalamar in the original WoW beta, frequently arguing on the forums that Warriors were not as underpowered as people thought they were at the time, and Bloodcraze was actually busted AF
steep osprey
Lmao
severe haven
Travis Day was a senior game designer on WoW, D3, and bunch of other stuff at Bl...
this is the original warrior nerf story lmfao
steep osprey
Is ramaladni mentioned in WoW
smoky kayak
P much, and after successfully campaigning to nerf Warriors, he became an item designer
smoky kayak
his brother, Morgan Day, still works at Blizz as Associate Game Director
steep osprey
Oh shit
broken cove
speaking of tuning
and somewhat lack there of due to the raid releasing soon
is anyone watching evo
lucid thicket
Indalamar is a WoWTCG hero
broken cove
next week
lucid thicket
But yeah Ramaladni is it backward
severe haven
is anyone watching evo
FGC?
broken cove
ya
smoky kayak
Is ramaladni mentioned in WoW
yeah in a bunch of places
severe haven
yeah in a bunch of places
archi archi how big are the buffs?? I fell on my knees in the supermarket
severe haven
https://tenor.com/view/armor-king-ak-king-tekken-tekken-8-gif-164504683927249540...
o yeah
smoky kayak
less than 5%
severe haven
we'll take it
steep osprey
archi archi how big are the buffs?? I fell on my knees in the supermarket
Lmfao
Why always the supermarket
smoky kayak
we'll take it
unpopular opinion around here!
severe haven
its the meme, its in the AMs where I'm at right now
smoky kayak
you don't go to the grocery in the AM?
severe haven
unpopular opinion around here!
I'd rather they do at least 1 of the 10 things u recommended they changed but at least hitting harder is good
severe haven
you don't go to the grocery in the AM?
i could, but pref not to
elfin kindle
Is there an updated list on all spec sims s3
severe haven
I have a store that is open till 4 am across from my flat
broken cove
yeah i think everyone seems more upset of the complete absence of change in terms of spec vs "u hit harder"
smoky kayak
I'd rather they do at least 1 of the 10 things u recommended they changed but at...
now if only that one thing was buffing Colossus or fixing Juggernaut 
broken cove
at least i am i just dont give enough of a shit to complain
jade ember
I go get groceries on the way home from work on Mondays and get dinner from the hot bar
severe haven
now if only that one thing was buffing Colossus or fixing Juggernaut <:Sadge:107...
colo set nerf was the most out of pocket thing
broken cove
because warrior is kinda fatherless atm unless ur prot
jade ember
Meta af
smoky kayak
blame Prot
broken cove
they put all of the resources into glad spec only to remove it an expac later after it being a balancing nightmare
i will hate glad spec forever.
👴
steep osprey
It’s been 10+ years
broken cove
please take note of the old man emoji ive posted
elfin kindle
because warrior is kinda fatherless atm unless ur prot
Max didnt put a prot in his raid grp setup guess, also brew is m+ tank, so dps spot is currently safe
broken cove
i feel like i understand what you said
jade ember
The real glad spec was ArP stacking during Ulduar and oneshotting squishies with Reck Block Shield Slam combo
broken cove
but i also feel like some words just dont belong in that sentence
uber eats on the way with my smashburgers sisters, we are going hard this weekend.
jade ember
Smashing
icy mulch
5% aura buff, I suppose at this point that's all we could hope for.
I still think they should of done more focused tuning to prevent Sudden death be a Weak aura button.
latent moss
12.0
shadow ibex
its bad
void bay
I still think they should of done more focused tuning to prevent Sudden death be...
Yes, other classes seem more fine-grained and we get a lazy blanket aura
icy mulch
Welp, that just straight sucks.
shadow ibex
arms probably worst plate dps atm
idk how ret is doing but def worse than both dk and fury
void bay
I mean from what people say on here, fury is better, but again that got a lazy flat 5% also
shadow ibex
Fury was already ahead
void bay
Yeah that's what I meant
fossil thistle
5% boys
smoky kayak
check the date
wooden lava
5% buff to a spec trailing behind everyone is an insult
Wtf
Did I miss something?
Cos last time I checked, arms was simming like ass
smoky kayak
5% buff to a spec trailing behind everyone is an insult
Arms definitely was not trailing behind everyone else lol
fossil thistle
I think fury is slightly a head but we’re talking sub 1% iirc
smoky kayak
R u sure? Cos arms was simming like almost 300k less for me on ptr
300k less than Fury is not "trailing behind everyone else"
wooden lava
Unless fury is gigablasting, does that not make sense
I did pretty thorough testing in MFO as well
Arms was squarely ass
Fury was middle of the pack
wooden lava
I did my best to maintain jug stacks
smoky kayak
feels like you have a really skewed view of what "everyone else" means
smoky kayak
nobody is arguing that Arms isn't behind Fury, but there's a huge difference between what you're saying and what you mean lol
shadow ibex
Lost to Madox spamming RB
just hope for tuning raid week
smoky kayak
like Elemental needed that huge buff, it was doing tank damage - that absolutely was not the case for Arms
fossil thistle
Don’t worry
wooden lava
nobody is arguing that Arms isn't behind Fury, but there's a huge difference bet...
Fair point
fossil thistle
When patch hits blizzard will give us a 12% damage nerf
11.2.5 we will get a nice buff though
wooden lava
It just feels like shit to put your best foot forward as arms and have absolute piss for results
smoky kayak
I mean, you've played WoW long enough to know better
fossil thistle
smoky kayak
WoW is not a balanced game, it never has been and it never will be
wooden lava
One can cope
smoky kayak
whoever happens to end up on top is largely a matter of luck and circumstance
shadow ibex
true
fossil thistle
^
shadow ibex
keep the cope alive
wooden lava
Just let me execute man...
smoky kayak
and getting buffed one week doesn't mean you won't get buffed again the next week, or nerfed the next week, it's all basically a crapshoot because Blizz' goals and metrics don't always match those of players
wooden lava
I wanna have big meaty swings
shadow ibex
play fdk atm
fossil thistle
Didn’t fdk just get gutted
river ridge
I wanna have big meaty swings
I mean isn't that just colossus atm?
smoky kayak
really just gotta relax and not live and die based on the state of a single tuning patch, season, or even expansion - tuning is a complete revolving door in this game
wooden lava
I mean isn't that just colossus atm?
Colossus in raid feels weird
Only good fight for it was soul binder
minor gust
Just dont take it too seriously you have no control over the outcome of tuning
just play the game and vibe or doom and vibe
it is what it is
fossil thistle
Just dont take it too seriously you have no control over the outcome of tuning
We can if blizzard sees arms has a 0.0% play rate
minor gust
We can if blizzard sees arms has a 0.0% play rate <:keks:936231610850897992>
rogue has like the lowest play rate by far and is still a complete mess play rate dont matter to them
smoky kayak
look at your MFE weak aura and play the game
don't need to look, it has sounds 
river ridge
We can if blizzard sees arms has a 0.0% play rate <:keks:936231610850897992>
They made survival a melee spec that had almost no play rate for many years. That won't do shit.
wooden lava
RIP rogues, I'm sorry for you guys
fossil thistle
They made survival a melee spec that had almost no play rate for many years. Tha...
Yea but survival isn’t a real spec.
river ridge
So just gonna ignore S3 & S4 of Shadowlands?
fossil thistle
Don’t we ignore shadowlands in its entirety?
river ridge
No.
river ridge
Shame. Arms was actually giga for Raid in S2
icy mulch
idk how ret is doing but def worse than both dk and fury
Who gives a shit about Ret? That spec can fall off a cliff with how bloated it's kit is, yet still mostly a 2 button class.
I liked Shadowlands, or at least Night Fae Fury. S1 had good story, and an absolute awesome raid.
hexed snow
Arms boys... Are we back???
fossil thistle
I liked Shadowlands, or at least Night Fae Fury. S1 had good story, and an absol...
Yea, after raid was cleared and campaign was done i kinda lost interest. I liked the covenants but hated how you had to swap between them
ornate oxide
Hey I feel like I am not pressing execute enough in that case I don’t have a opportunist procc In what press OP?
icy mulch
Yea, after raid was cleared and campaign was done i kinda lost interest. I liked...
Thankfully they changed that.
fossil thistle
Yea I heard it got better towards the end, but life got in the way a bit too so 💁🏻♂️
fossil thistle
Hey I feel like I am not pressing execute enough in that case I don’t have a opp...
How are you not pressing execute enough? 😮
icy mulch
Yeah, real life much better than WoW.
ornate oxide
How are you not pressing execute enough? 😮
I guess I am pressing to much OP
fossil thistle
Yeah, real life much better than WoW.
Lately been 😂 i biught a new bike back in February
fossil thistle
I guess I am pressing to much OP
Did you read the execute ability priority ?
ornate oxide
Yeah but I am not used to play warrior I was kind rerolled for like 1 week https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mwHyb9PRFT4G2qxC?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=8
icy mulch
Lately been 😂 i biught a new bike back in February
Oh, as in motorcycle?
fossil thistle
Oh, as in motorcycle?
Yea!!
hexed snow
We’re still rowing the copium canoe
Never again
icy mulch
@fossil thistle At least you're smart enough to wear leathers. I see too many crotch rocket riders in t-shirts and shorts.
fossil thistle
<@153341970767544320> But don’t I do execute execute 1x OP into MS ?
Don’t have to. If you don’t have a proc you don’t have to press OP
fossil thistle
<@153341970767544320> At least you're smart enough to wear leathers. I see too m...
Time and a place! I was on the track.
If I’m just going to grab a bite to eat I’ll just wear some riding jeans and a T 😂
icy mulch
I had a nasty crash, if it wasn't for my jacket my arm would look like someone took a cheese grater to it. Course that was a long time ago.
ornate oxide
@fossil thistle Is that the reason that my execute is that bad ?
grave mulch
Yo wtf
fossil thistle
C’est francais I think
fossil thistle
<@153341970767544320> Is that the reason that my execute is that bad ?
You’re probably not pressing it enough? Execute is almost spammed during 35%-0
It ends up overtaking most abilties in overall except MS
ornate oxide
But so since I was pressing op to much would explain that case why execute is that high that it should be
gusty nymph
C’est francais I think
Yes it was 😇
fossil thistle
But so since I was pressing op to much would explain that case why execute is th...
Yea you should pretty much be pressing like execute execute ms
Overpower when under 60 rage
Or opportunists proc I think
(It’s muscle memory for me I don’t pay attention to what I press 💀)
hard zenith
Huh.... I actually called it
jade ember
I do feel like "5% both specs" is a joke someone could have made lol. At least Fury seems pretty good to go.
vast helm
balmy kindle
5% 
crimson steppe
is playing Slayer Arms in M+ griefing your group? I just don't enjoy Colossus
lucid thicket
is playing Slayer Arms in M+ griefing your group? I just don't enjoy Colossus
Playing Arms is griefing
minor gust
is playing Slayer Arms in M+ griefing your group? I just don't enjoy Colossus
Will it do less than Colossus yes. Is it griefing no the dmg difference isn't gonna be the reason you didn't time the key unless your doing world first level keys
slow saddle
When fury is alot ahead why similar buff?1😆
slow saddle
I do feel like "5% both specs" is a joke someone could have made lol. At least F...
Ye fury must be very good now?
lethal acorn
hexed garden
should cleave be doing more dps than demolish or am i doing something wrong
fresh spire
swift crown
sour forge
5
zealous flume
When fury is alot ahead why similar buff?1😆
well, it wasnt ahead a lot of other dps specs, people were considering getting battleshout from prot and sitting dps warriors
zealous flume
is there a space where i can find up-to-date ptr sims including other classes?
slow saddle
Brother
Fury is always on the edge. But dmg profile usually makes em raid viable
- prot tanks have a biiig magic defense issue now
spare steppe
lyric sparrow
hello there , I have played my Warrior for 40 days /played and for the first time specced arms. My main question: How do you do AoE when Sweeping strikes runs out? 😄
fresh spire
Cleave
balmy kindle
If fury is m+ pick again it's bye until nightmare 
lyric sparrow
is there ever a reason to press rend over thunderclap to apply rend?
broken arrow
Tiny bit more single target dmg with rend. I personally don't bother
icy mulch
I'm actually surprised Arms didn't get bigger targeted buffed.
sharp wyvern
they are scared of phys comp
icy mulch
I guess?
dim basalt
It's crazy both specs got buffed by the same amount
dim basalt
It's crazy the gap widened
Huh?
dim basalt
Oh you mean because the 5% is more for Fury than for Arms
steep osprey
Why would it be
swift crown
yea % buffs aren't made equal
swift crown
it's the same shit as someone saying "this is 2% in my sim" which is absolutely useless information
steep osprey
Ok true
dim basalt
How much does Fury sim now
latent moss
big st buffs
swift crown
probably 5.8 ish
latent moss
How much does Fury sim now
still not much compared to some iirc
dim basalt
That's pretty good no?
swift crown
hard to keep track with napkin math
dim basalt
Lock yeah
swift crown
Last I heard Unholy lost 400k with trinket nerf
dim basalt
But was nerfed hard
swift crown
Lock was 7 mill is now 6.2
latent moss
ye we lost 150k
thick kelp
Arms balling at 5.1
latent moss
xdd
dim basalt
xd
latent moss
arms balling at 8 dps
misty bridge
arms getting balled
swift crown
balls
latent moss
arms is so dead
steep osprey
This channel is so frustrating to read lol
latent moss
me when i give blizzard exact damage numbers and they just do 5%
dim basalt
Just wait until they buff every Arms ability by 10 to 15% in the .5 patch like they did in S1
steep osprey
Y’all acting like we’re playing in classic WoW with huge gap between specs
latent moss
and keep the spec dead
latent moss
Just wait until they buff every Arms ability by 10 to 15% in the .5 patch like t...
nah but has to be some obscure ahh
like dreadnaught
in 10.2
something random
by 50%
dim basalt
Yeah
latent moss
rend damage increased by 4000%
misty bridge
buff heroic throw by 275%
swift crown
Wrecking Throw buffed by 500% again
shadow ibex
All expac no changes wicked emoji
dim basalt
slow saddle
Y’all acting like we’re playing in classic WoW with huge gap between specs
K i mean
Last sim i saw fury wad 500k infront of armd
Both got same buff
500k at 5.5m is a decent diff no
fresh spire
Arms
slow saddle
Not talkin dks bein 6m or lock bein 6.5?
fresh spire
Fury
shadow ibex
Idc about number I care about using weak aura to play this awful hero spec
fresh spire
Fury is closer to the average now
coarse agate
5.8 is likely above average on st fwiw
slow saddle
More
candid pecan
wait... closer to the avg? @fresh spire what is the avg sim? 
shadow ibex
12 like the good old days
fresh spire
6m seemily is "the average" Though there are still much higher outliers
dim basalt
6 is above for sure
coarse agate
now it's roughly 5.6
of course it all depends on how much work has been done for the individual specs
it's just that there are obvious outliers (warlock, dk and now also ww on st because they got a hilariously stupid buff that makes no sense)
dim basalt
I was surprised about WW getting whole 5% ngl
dim basalt
Is DK still an outlier though?
coarse agate
but needs like 15-20% in aoe
dim basalt
After the trinket nerf
coarse agate
I didn't check but I presume they just changed to funhouse lens or lily
should still be around the 6m mark
fresh spire
melee average before last night was around 5m, caster average was over 6m
coarse agate
that's also just because there's not alot of caster sims around
there's one good warlock spec, mage has not had alot of work done so far, shadow priest is at 5.5, boomie gets sims usually two weeks into the raid done
dim basalt
Boomie is prob around average
They got completely torn apart by that one nerf and got a compensation now
swift crown
there's one good warlock spec, mage has not had alot of work done so far, shadow...
two good Warlock specs
But honestly idk which sims are public knowledge now and which just fly around
shadow ibex
How often did that hit Bloodthirst, curious
1rppm
slow saddle
Bt needs to be moved to my slam button
slow saddle
And rb will have 2 buttons
coarse agate
instead of ara kara
fresh spire
Arakara/Searform
slow saddle
No burst im guessin passive good
swift crown
It's really funny
coarse agate
I mean
slow saddle
Hahah
fresh spire
Delve trinkets are a bit weaker compared to before
Arms wants to use the mastery one
but its barely ahead of the next option
coarse agate
that energy drink or mechano amplifier should win over sacbrood
fresh spire
they dont exist
coarse agate
those two are in a different scaling class
fresh spire
new pool of delve trinkets
slow saddle
Krisp what does col vs slayer arms sim
slow saddle
Still 300k behind
fresh spire
was like 100k behind slayer before the hit
slow saddle
Fuck was so uness nerf
Prot just needednaurs nerf
Prot just uses thane to fuck now
candid pecan
Arms wants to use the mastery one
this one?
coarse agate
new pool of delve trinkets
both energy drink and mechano are part of the delve trinket pool according to mimiron
so idk
just used that as a baseline
swift crown
That's still the old loottable
They rotated trinkets between S1 and S2 too
they wont exist
coarse agate
nah there's definetely new trinkets in there
fresh spire
odium died anyway
swift crown
Will be great
slow saddle
I mean did they rebuff ara kara
swift crown
Fury Slayer and Fury Thane every boss
slow saddle
Fury Slayer and Fury Thane every boss
Facts
Like at this point id prefer arms, but if just 1 of our dps specs are good im happy
shadow ibex
Deathbringer DK*
slow saddle
I rather fury than slayer arms juggermynuts
candid pecan
lemme test the 5% buff on the PTR in a key as colossus 
fresh spire
3 seconds and 10 less stacks makes one hell of a difference
shadow ibex
Weird I read here that the change was minor and the 100% was just a way to make the rend bonus work
fresh spire
Weird I read here that the change was minor and the 100% was just a way to make ...
Which?
shadow ibex
Everything adds up
fresh spire
Moving damage around while tanking other part of class
Not sure how it changes St vs St and aoe vs aoe
shadow ibex
Yea frost is eating well
slow saddle
Me neither but their forum sais 0
fresh spire
They are just rebalancing damage around In the class before they just aura nerf it when it's looking balanced
fresh spire
If one ability is giga strong others weak. Hard aura nerfing isn't the fix. They are still rebalanced a rework. It won't get fine tuned right until the end. They may have hated aoe doing big damage from all abilities. Hit them all 3% and buff up one other thing to keep St similar
dim basalt
Plate dps with off gcd resource management
Play IP lol
latent moss
Id wish sweep was off gcd
slow saddle
My dk is rdy for next tier. But im only warrior sooo...
fresh spire
I'm convinced the buff this week was to counter the mystic touch nerf
Last weeks was to buff aoe for slayer
dim basalt
We found a replacement warrior for me 
dim basalt
But legit nobody wants to play woryer
slow saddle
I mean it will
candid pecan
Arms will get direct tuning
yeah but... why not from the start? why fucking 2 months into the season
shadow ibex
How many slam casts by the way
fresh spire
Likely because they are trying to work out the hellish mess of balancing instead of guessing
Like on testing we was middle of pack
slow saddle
Sry but if its that far behind we will get buffed fast
Buff base ms
I want to press ms even more
Battlelord loadout yes
shadow ibex
Likely because they are trying to work out the hellish mess of balancing instead...
How many slams in a sim
latent moss
is to kill it
slow saddle
is to kill it
Nah krisp made a post
Read it on forums comment
Only bad part. It was within reason
fresh spire
Colossus has a built in aura they can't even use to fix Colossus smh
thick kelp
How many slams in a sim
30
slow saddle
Imho it would be rly cool if
1 vs many talent
Included ms and op
Arms suddenly funnel
fresh spire
All hero trees should have a talent like strength of the mountain
And they use that shit to tune them instead of class auras
thick kelp
They did tune precision strikes from colossus tree once this expac!
shadow ibex
Siiiiiiiick
shadow ibex
is to kill it
Too cool to have your aoe be rng spin?
shadow ibex
Nerfed and buffed
candid pecan
2% -> 3% -> 5% yeah
shadow ibex
Think most colossus things were
candid pecan
shadow ibex
Size of mountain was nerfed before launch to 4%
slow saddle
Col had... 2 weeks??
shadow ibex
Cuz colossus was doing so well? Lmao
shadow ibex
Me when I show up to the 3 button competition and my opponent is an arms warrior doing m+
quaint otter
latent moss
GUILLOTINE 12.0
shadow ibex
Collateral was cool before tww
Before we always used it it was cool
Familiarity breed contempt
shadow ibex
We used to use collateral like once or twice an expac
shadow ibex
Its the whole interactions within interactions for pref dmg
That's colossus aoe
Press these 7 globals
slow saddle
Ye but u wanna rav on pull, so like shit aligns based on luck
shadow ibex
That's our talent situation really
Sks interaction with tr interaction with tier and bloodletting etc etc
It's plans within plans
shadow ibex
It's unnecessary when someone can not have that and get similar results at worse and often times just better results
It's cool but too many moving parts can be bad
candid pecan
HMMM, wiped twice on 3rd boss, ok so its not that bad... ST kinda sucks (was dealing 100-150M less compared to dk and mage on bosses)
slow saddle
It's unnecessary when someone can not have that and get similar results at worse...
100%
Bad dk😅
jade ember
HMMM, wiped twice on 3rd boss, ok so its not that bad... ST kinda sucks (was dea...
Almost FDK dam, nerf Arms
jade ember
Man just buff tf out of MS and lemme feel like it's the old days
jade ember
I want to die to mechanics because I'm watching my combat text for big MS crits
hexed garden
Ms does fuck decently these days
i miss legion ms
jade ember
Mo bigger mo better. Screw it, make 80% of our st MS. 
weak rain
wtf is this buff, why is fury getting the same 5%? I guess I have to play fury for prog
amazing
slow saddle
Because fury is also behind
slow saddle
wtf is this buff, why is fury getting the same 5%? I guess I have to play fury f...
M8 fury is always the play
For prog
Fury lives more
weak rain
M8 fury is always the play
I was able to get away with arms play for like 3 previous raids in top 100 range
slow saddle
I was able to get away with arms play for like 3 previous raids in top 100 range
And u can do that now as well
weak rain
And u can do that now as well
diff is too big dps wise
slow saddle
Depends rly. If u are only warrior
weak rain
last sim b4 the tunning was 600k-ish diff , no? It's too much
spiral coral
last sim b4 the tunning was 600k-ish diff , no? It's too much
Yeah, 580-600k.
slow saddle
Small numbers
weak rain
yea, surely playing arms isn't shooting yourself in the head with current tunning
alpine dew
Anyone got the link for 11.2 dps sims?
slow saddle
Next week, arms gets aa instead of fatality
latent moss
Man just buff tf out of MS and lemme feel like it's the old days
ms fucks
its just
it doesnt fuck enough
cause a lot of our damage is put into execute
cause of slayer
not like
they have
tuning knobs
on colo or anything
echo plume
"mortal strike" deals 1m no crit, very mortal indeed
echo marten
Question does anyone have tried slayer arms on ptr ? And if yes does it work well enough ?
minor gust
That will just always be the nature of arms as long as Crit dmg exists
minor gust
Question does anyone have tried slayer arms on ptr ? And if yes does it work wel...
Your gonna have to be more specific in what you're asking
echo marten
Is like a mile behind on dps than colossus :/
dim basalt
In raid? In M+?
dim basalt
Though Slayer should be ahead in ST
But Arms is generally not in a good place so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
echo marten
:/ . Anyway ty for your time fellas 🙂
minor gust
Idk the state of Slayer m+ on ptr I didn't bother testing it but it's of course gonna be behind like on live by how much idk.
Unless the dmg diff is really bad which I doubt you can very much play slayer keys if you hate Colossus. The dmg isn't the reason why your not timing keys unless it world first level
echo marten
I just played abit and I really liked it. So I wanted to ask
jade ember
Could always just make Rend always apply passively or maybe replace Deep Wounds and have it actually have some special effect
gaunt owl
so make Rend basically Deep Wounds ?
not every ability need to have something special
they just need a purpose and enough power
thick kelp
so make Rend basically Deep Wounds ?
gaunt owl
i was always against those passive dmg
we arent stupid boomkins just spamming shit dot here and there
shadow ibex
https://imgur.com/a/arms-rework-idea-by-cone-walhe-TMLL2qY
Why not have execute usable whenever
With so much focus on avoiding slam with taste for blood AND tact
latent moss
Why not have execute usable whenever
then it does no dam
no massacre
no 35% only 20%
but it fucks
its just a game of tradeoffs
shadow ibex
then it does no dam
What if increased cost
shadow ibex
Increased cost above normal exe range
latent moss
didn't play that well in wod iirc
shadow ibex
Was tuning more than anything
Gotta find a balance to where you don't want to just cast it
unreal mountain
shadow ibex
Would it not be enabling guillotine in aoe from the exploiter
latent moss
well an idea i had was to remove guillotine and ep and replace ep with an aoe execute
or keep ep and rework the tree
or make ep slayer only kinda
by replacing jugg
with it
actually a good idea
shadow ibex
I was gonna say there isn't an aoe rage dump really
In the same vein as frost strike and glacial advance
latent moss
ye
rare kite
by replacing jugg
good idea. need EP to press MS
latent moss
ep is a buff anyway
not a debuff but it could go back to a debuff with aoe exe
it wouldnt make a difference
rare kite
oh i just mean you need EP to be a thing, otherwise you just spam exe and never press ms
gusty nymph
https://imgur.com/a/arms-rework-idea-by-cone-walhe-TMLL2qY
Impressive work
shadow ibex
Looks like spending rage would be very difficult
At least in current economy
Every cast of MS would be 2 OP casts, only need to fill 3 global between each MS and MS has 2 charges so that's 4 free, you'd get back up to 3 before reaching 0
latent moss
keep in mind u have no iftk or warlords torment or wild strikes or anything
shadow ibex
Yea true
rare kite
can also slam to spend rage and/or fish for cs resets
shadow ibex
Yea but fuck that button
I think a random "slam always generates an OP charge" inside CS somewhere to avoid feel bad of using slam multiple times could fit under any talent
rare kite
idk i didn't really mind slamming in legion just because cs resets were so satisfying
rare kite
i do not know, but alot
thick kelp
Guys im working on a YT guide for Arms warrior s3. Anything I should include more?
latent moss
Guys im working on a YT guide for Arms warrior s3. Anything I should include mor...
@strange perch
include pauck
elfin kindle
doesn't arms look pretty strong in m+? also physical comp looks good
why the dooming
rare kite
doesn't arms look pretty strong in m+? also physical comp looks good
not really. single target is ass
fury looks good tho. so you play fury for phys comp
thick kelp
doesn't arms look pretty strong in m+? also physical comp looks good
Looks good but fury is better
elfin kindle
idk didnt look at sims for a while but arms simmed better in aoe
swift crown
Missed the funny 700% Thane buff
elfin kindle
do really that few ppl play both specs
thick kelp
Not once since they reworkd thane 4p
thick kelp
Yeah
rare kite
do really that few ppl play both specs
nah most people play both i think
thick kelp
Arms guys play both but prefer arms and fury guys can only play fury
hazy flower
L
swift crown
Arms guys play both but prefer arms and fury guys can only play fury
And stupid people play Warrior
fresh spire
Arms guys play both but prefer arms and fury guys can only play fury
real
gaunt owl
https://imgur.com/a/arms-rework-idea-by-cone-walhe-TMLL2qY
are you interested in working for a shit pay at Blizzard ?
thick kelp
are you interested in working for a shit pay at Blizzard ?
Yeah
gaunt owl
speed dialing the bald guy
thick kelp
Good I need a job
zenith warren
Fury got 177 reactions on a recent buff post and arms only 25, disappointing
At least arms is not hard aoe capped ^^
gaunt owl
only true connoisseur can enjoy Arms
viral locust
Once you watch the execute video arms is the only choice ever
dim basalt
The execute video full of fury warriors?
viral locust
Irrelevant
dim basalt
shadow ibex
It don't even look cool
gaunt owl
people got baited by the hype music of DBZ
sour forge
At least arms is not hard aoe capped ^^
Fury is less hard capped next season just fyi
sharp wyvern
latent moss
ong thane prolly less capped than arms
zenith warren
Care to explain? I wasnt paying attention to ptr only saw Crit doing a new dungeon as fury and saying it is ok
sour forge
Care to explain? I wasnt paying attention to ptr only saw Crit doing a new dunge...
Thunder blast is soft capped
sour forge
And tb is used much more often
latent moss
ye but blast perma turbo fucks
sour forge
With the tier
latent moss
unlike cleave
latent moss
ye but blast perma turbo fucks
cause fury has no cds
sharp wyvern
blast is also an rng proc
latent moss
which procs all the time
sharp wyvern
cleave is more consistent
sour forge
You’re casting it a lot still
sharp wyvern
are we prioritizing BT over RB as thane now ?
sharp wyvern
alright
zenith warren
Good
sharp wyvern
blast is gonna proc more
zenith warren
Is blue bt higher prio too?
sour forge
Blue bt?
zenith warren
From thane
sour forge
Idk what blue bt is
sharp wyvern
the only thing blue is tc or tb
sour forge
highest prio
zenith warren
When you clap your bt is empowered right? Dunno the name
sour forge
I mean you always press bt
candid pecan
@zenith warren by blue BT do you mean this?
sour forge
the CD reduction?
Ya this has to be it I think. The proc where you can cast 3 by in a row
sharp wyvern
ngl if it turned blue that would be a lot cooler than a glow
wait it gives 2 additional rage ?
this changes everything
zenith warren
i mean icon changes for it by default or was it only in my weakaura, cant tell
sour forge
>
>
in aoe afaik
sharp wyvern
its your WA
sour forge
Ramp over by if you need to enrage
zenith warren
its your WA
gotcha, I use luxthos'
sharp wyvern
i use basic UI so i know that doesnt happen by default however i wish it did
marble steppe
i was worried for a bit for 12.0 but then i remembered we scale with stats
shadow ibex
Another 7%
sharp wyvern
only for arms
dreamy egret
So we got taken down to 0 aura ?
glossy hill
Lol
quaint otter
Handicapped spec...
shadow ibex
Low-key hilarious they just said fuck it 5 for both
No attempt at targeted tuning just hey it's all brown anyway
clever lichen
bleak dawn
imagine getting a straight damage buff and being upset about that
dim basalt
imagine getting a straight damage buff and being upset about that
Well yeah theres reason to
lol
gaunt owl
aura buff are lazy way to make the people compliant
hexed snow
aura buff are lazy way to make the people compliant
Make arms great again
sharp wyvern
and yet if that aura buff would make us the best spec people would be hyping it up
as if people ever cared about how scuffed the gameplay is when a spec is op
shadow ibex
as if people ever cared about how scuffed the gameplay is when a spec is op
People have thought colossus aoe was one note even when it was good
candid pecan
well yeah, I see that it's impossible to change jugg, buff roar, make bloodborne 1 point.. impossible... prolly saving those changes for 12.0, times are tough... so atleast make tuning great, so that Arms is not 800k behind caster sims
shadow ibex
People can't want gameplay improvement it's what the fuck i engage with I want it to be good
sharp wyvern
the only hope is that they ´mentioned they dont want specs to need to track too many things
so that means they gonna cut something
shadow ibex
the only hope is that they ´mentioned they dont want specs to need to track too ...
I really wouldn't believe anything they saw about any system
latent moss
well yeah, I see that it's impossible to change jugg, buff roar, make bloodborne...
its coming
12.0
dry frost
I just zug and pretend everything is fine
As long as I am playing well and pushing the limits of my spec I am happy
The true power of ignorance is bliss
zenith warren
at least we have a good class discord
and decent player base so lots of folks to compare with, get vods/educational content
take survival hunter for example, even if decent at times no1 plays that shit
zenith warren
smol
btw is skyhold the only class discord that messages are being posted 24/7? I appreciate it
I joined once paladins one and it seemed dead
compared to what we have
brittle pelican
Warrior
void bay
we spend 60% of the time complaining 39% posting memes, and 1% helping each other.
dry frost
The rogue discord is relatively active as long as you aren’t an assassination rogue
They tend to spam cat pics a lot though
glass wharf
Hello guys, thinking of maining arms warrior next season for the first time since dragonflight S1. How are we looking ? Are we happy ? I saw the 5% buff surely it’s a good sign
gaunt owl
Hello guys, thinking of maining arms warrior next season for the first time sinc...
Always choose your favorite gamestyle
looking at numbers will only give you pain and suffering
brittle pelican
Hello guys, thinking of maining arms warrior next season for the first time sinc...
You cast fyralath also every fun talent form df is nerfed/not taken
Also war breaker animation
cosmic linden
Any arms build for mythic keys on the ptr tro try? Kinda lost with my own combination atm
eager nexus
We have defeated the Europeans
thick kelp
Any arms build for mythic keys on the ptr tro try? Kinda lost with my own combi...
Copy the s2 colossus one and you got yourself a good build
sharp wyvern
warbreaker only loooks good when it has spikes
plain solstice
brittle pelican
Feel the bite of fyralath
rare kite
Hello guys, thinking of maining arms warrior next season for the first time sinc...
don't do it
slayer+jugg has made this the worst version of arms i have ever played
sharp wyvern
i would rate this just as bad as the ToM fatality gamble
sharp wyvern
DH tanks
rare kite
no. there are just class discords that doom less
rare kite
ret is usually pretty chill
sharp wyvern
rare kite
warriors only became this bad of doomers cause of S1
fury sure. arms playstyle needs god
sharp wyvern
since DF
rare kite
all fury needs is less rb spam. arms needs so much to fix it
sharp wyvern
remember when shockwave was equal to avatar
jade ember
god i remember when unhinged cleaved
Add this back as a Slayer talent in Midnight
tacit crystal
no
sharp wyvern
midnight wont have slayer
sharp wyvern
we cant let unhinged carry the specs even more gio
everything is already build upon it
brittle pelican
Midnight should keep everything from tww and continue adding more doom
tacit crystal
we had it taken away from us
brittle pelican
Let’s limit test this spec
tacit crystal
unhinged actually felt meaningful before
rare kite
Midnight should keep everything from tww and continue adding more doom
double the jugg stacks for each expansion
sharp wyvern
i think it would actually be better to make bladestorm have a ST variant rather than having 1 single talent carry it
brittle pelican
jade ember
New hero talent: Skyhold Chat Channels. Icon: 
shadow ibex
i would rate this just as bad as the ToM fatality gamble
Nah not even close. I never once tried tom fatal tech and had at least 90+ avg all of df
This jugg shit
This shit is like conduit energy bad
sharp wyvern
Nah not even close. I never once tried tom fatal tech and had at least 90+ avg a...
i can say the same thing not givnig a shit about jugg
cause guess what most people dont have god like rng either
also with the new tier its gonna be less bad
STILL bad but less
maybe even worse cause its gonna drop at higher amount of stacks but overall you do get more stacks so i guess it depends on who you are
also fatality traumatized me on smolderon and i will never recover
shadow ibex
i was traumatized on smold for different reason
related to amazing legendary acquisition process
dire hinge
Then we got <@102221603760271360> to help people
🥰
Currently relocating to a new city but I’ll be back online in a few weeks
minor gust
The people need you King!
tacit crystal
hrothmar you are the best
fresh spire
wasn't dooming s2 when our tuning looked solid we looked amazing
then we was gunned down just before launch
FUARK
fresh spire
execute nerf went too hard
jade ember
I remember when everyone was talking about maybe multiple Arms on OAB and Mug'zee for RWF looool
dim basalt
I mean there were 2 Arms for Mug
latent moss
I remember when everyone was talking about maybe multiple Arms on OAB and Mug'ze...
that was pre 15% exe and max gaslighting
that exe is giga important
sour forge
bracers belt boots
Not boots
jade ember
Boots you'll want DH boss boots if you're willing to raid for them tho
candid pecan
need boots to boost cloak
dim basalt
Not boots
Literally doesnt matter because all of these 3 pieces give low stats
Oh right
Nvm
sour forge
Is there a special neck next season?
jade ember
No
sour forge
I’d have to look at the loot tables again. But this season was ass for necks
jade ember
Just cloak, boots, and ring. The ring is just toughness for raid tho, pretty much.
dim basalt
Next raid drops a 2h agi weapon and Im the only person who needs it 😩
Surely it drops week 1
candid pecan
Is there a special neck next season?
they added a high mastery neck to floodgate
sour forge
Oh sexy
sharp wyvern
fury warrs are gonna be happy
sour forge
Bis fury dungeon lol
shadow ibex
There's a neck in raid but I think it was defensive?
sharp wyvern
halls of attonement and tazavesh has big haste necks
looks like streets has BiS arms neck
lament elbow
sour forge
hexed snow
fury warrs are gonna be happy
Meeee
Going back to fury unfortunately
Back to where my calling is
Gonna be fun to get carpal on left hand again I'm so happiii
sharp wyvern
we all going fury until they buff arms 2 weeks into the season
hexed snow
we all going fury until they buff arms 2 weeks into the season
Or just flat out nerf fury again
hexed snow
Haha low HP adds that spawn exactly 1.5 mins in 
sharp wyvern
still coping on RA for fury cause of all the dmg amps
hexed snow
Dude I loved reckless abandon
sharp wyvern
i only like it cause its not the way it was in S1
hexed snow
It was literally the best thing. They nerfed fury what, 4 times but RA still made it fun imo
sharp wyvern
nah i hated S1 RA
hexed snow
Click rampage - two shining buttons. Chefs kiss 😂
sharp wyvern
the new version just makes CDs feel better
sour forge
Gonna be fun to get carpal on left hand again I'm so happiii
Carpal tunnel? Why
marble steppe
back in bfa i got sinovitis
on my left wrist
from playing fury :p
and gym and excessive hand writing due to uni stuff
sour forge
I mean it’s like 5 apm higher?
marble steppe
idk personally i think i chose bad keybinds for WW, rampage, RB and BT
and it fucked up my wrist
hexed snow
Carpal tunnel? Why
Click friendly class
sour forge
Wdym
Last I saw fury was sitting at like 70 apm
I’m on mobile rn not gonna go pull up the apm sheet
rare kite
Click friendly class
unironically not that bad to click. so many of the casts are rb, just press the cds and click rb
sour forge
Oh you’re clicking the spells my b. Ya if anything fury has less buttons than arms
sour forge
Point still stands regardless
slow saddle
Thats a lot of clicks
sour forge
Just get auto clicker
Set it to 80/min
Then get banned for using forbidden software
hexed snow
i think he was memeing
Semi :D
My left hand is weaker than general - so I have managed to get numb when I play Fury
strange perch
<@456226577798135808>
latent moss
hi
sacred zodiac
Currently relocating to a new city but I’ll be back online in a few weeks
i hope you will become spherical
minor gust
olive nest
minor gust
<:Armsowns:857748787710787605>
Hey that's the guy that nerfed execute before raid release
unreal rover
Sorry if this has been asked before - During AoE (Say 3+ targets) do we stick to the AoE rotation even during Execute phase of a target?
ST to Exe makes perfect sense, but do we go to the Exe rotation during an AoE fight when our Primary Target is in the Execute phase? That might make a little more sense to read :D
minor gust
If only SD did cool things and was useful in aoe
olive nest
Yeah like cast a free empowered thunderclap that refreshed rend on all targets
latent moss
If only SD did cool things and was useful in aoe
if only blizzard listens to long imgur image
arms will own in 12.0
minor gust
Waiting for the Madox reaction video
minor gust
He better do it that was my one free content idea for him
minor gust
Holy send it when you're done
latent moss
gotta get xan to yap for 30 minutes surely blizz steals something from it