condemn = weaker execute
#arms
shadow ibex
lets just not have either 1 of them so my aoe doesnt have another global to set up the dmg
latent moss
remove jugg
shadow ibex
minor gust
I think spear is fine just 400% dmg increase and double the crit dmg bonus from CM
latent moss
lets just not have either 1 of them so my aoe doesnt have another global to set ...
u dont like doing
minor gust
latent moss
charge tc cleave roar ss wb rava
minor gust
watch the demolish spear line up go big
latent moss
90000 globals
shadow ibex
charge tc cleave roar ss wb rava
um akshually u need to MS first to get bleed buff from tier
minor gust
charge tc cleave roar ss wb rava
thats why the rework will remove rava rend and SS passive
latent moss
guillotine
play slayer with jugg
minor gust
guillotine
the guillotine cook went pretty hard
latent moss
the guillotine cook went pretty hard
u know whats the hardest part
it applies ep
so ur next cleave
turbo fucks
if u play cleave
minor gust
EP buff is huge and so annoying that its not
latent moss
ep being a debuff killed slayer ngl
and the fact
ur aoe comes from reap
instead of cleave
for whatever reason
cool random spin is my aoe
š
minor gust
I think reap is fine but yeah I would rather have cooks with making execute useful in aoe
latent moss
also guillotine applies trauma as well
shadow ibex
cool random spin is my aoe
appy w arms
latent moss
cinema
minor gust
with Legion SS and other things
latent moss
I think reap is fine but yeah I would rather have cooks with making execute usef...
yep
exe is core arms
should be used always
minor gust
and yet since DF SD procs have always struggled to find a place in aoe
but then they decided to make a whole hero talent about SD
and still give it no aoe capacity
latent moss
and realized it has no aoe value
then put bs and reap in
guillotine should've been in slayer
cannot convince me otherwise
minor gust
they just thought the BS cdr would be enough but its so annoying to manage in a M+ setting
latent moss
some sort of exe cleave
latent moss
they just thought the BS cdr would be enough but its so annoying to manage in a ...
also forcing us to take a talent i dont want to takw
i dont think anyone wants to play bs arms ngl
minor gust
tho man idk if you can remove bladestorm btw
shit is so integral to warrior fantasy
in wow
latent moss
idk could keep it as baseline
minor gust
it would need something really cool to replace it
latent moss
it fucks and does nothing else
only on aoe
no st value
like in sl
in sl it was a filler
minor gust
first arms BS should be the exact same as fury cba with this longer version
latent moss
ye
bs should be baseline to all warriors idc about prot
we have shield block and slam
if u are braindead enough to use bs as prot its on u
minor gust
like in sl
yes I think thats completely fine an aoe only cd that fucks and is easy to use and weave in. Slayer would need a rework tho which is fine
minor gust
yup
minor gust
would be to much of an uproar from long time wow players to remove BS
latent moss
with ww
shadow ibex
and fury/arms should have execute aoe value in their tree
should have prot execute cleave
how they can even drop that in
and not think hmmm this would be good elsewhere
latent moss
ngl i dont want it on arms
prolly would suffocate the rotation very hard
if exe was tuned high
slayer would spam exe most likely
if it cleaves to more than 2
which it would
cleave exe exe cleave
type shit
shadow ibex
i think that's fine if cleave eats EP
minor gust
Execute would be hard to tune
minor gust
because presumably colossus needs to be just as good
shadow ibex
atp im with colossus can just cut out the middle man and have frontal MS
minor gust
and I assume your still going with the whole colossus= MS slayer = Exe
reef glade
remove colossal might from execute because theyād be worried weād hit demolish too much!!!
oh no!!!
Execute synergy with the non execute focused hero talent!!
not allowed!!!
latent moss
mine and walhes idea is to keep bleeds and exe relevant to both hero talents
but
colo talents more into bleeds
and slayer more into exe
but its relevant for both
so like slayer could easily talent into jugg
and have a large portion of aoe be carried by guillotine
reef glade
I feel like thereās zero things wrong with collo pressing demo more in aoe
itās almost never overtaking slayer in raid anyway
latent moss
rest by cleaving executes and ms
latent moss
I feel like thereās zero things wrong with collo pressing demo more in aoe
i dont think exe giving cm would change anything in m+
reef glade
and if the extra demo happens to give it the slightest of edges in solely execute itself while slayer is more of the overall dmg up thatād be cool
reef glade
o I mean m+ w/e coloās already perfect
latent moss
wish collat and rend application was less cbt
shadow ibex
they need to make tclap uncapped
latent moss
but ye other than that
colo plays very well imo
cds are big dopamine with cleave and exhil
reef glade
me when mop arms tclap gives uncapped deep wounds to everything it hits
the technology is there
reef glade
2 dots is silly
latent moss
serves 0 purpose
shadow ibex
im ok with that
reef glade
just make dw like 50% stronger
latent moss
nah 2 dots is fine if rend did something had some interactions or something
latent moss
ye
minor gust
bye bye rend
shadow ibex
pick 1 or the other tho
reef glade
I mean tomato tomahto
have 1 dot
whether dmg is based on bleed or not same shit
bleed is always active
and everything apps it
shadow ibex
blizz says must have both
latent moss
me when i am in a misleading tooltip competition and my opponent is blizzard
minor gust
gg kiddo
latent moss
gg kiddo
stack jugg to 5 get exploit weakness press wb get sd
press guillotine and it mortal combos
minor gust
also they really waiting till Friday to drop notes what a day what a day
minor gust
indeed only hope for atleast a funish tier will be colossus raid
shadow ibex
stg
latent moss
9 buttons lightning up
shadow ibex
we gonna play same talents in raid for whole expac
shadow ibex
only bad ones
shadow ibex
like sweeping unhinged
latent moss
ye i mean
shadow ibex
latent moss
they just kept removing talents
compact geyser
drop rend then fix rage gen and give us ToM and make skull splitter increase rage regen so we can have bigger ToM windows
shadow ibex
and tclap sweeping extra applications
latent moss
drop rend then fix rage gen and give us ToM and make skull splitter increase ra...
tom will never be good
with 20 rage spenders
compact geyser
#cookinboys
latent moss
even if its better in exe which it isnt cause iftk has exe value
shadow ibex
btw
SoS not usedall expac
spiteful and dance of death on track for not being used for 2 whole expacs
latent moss
even if its better in exe which it isnt cause iftk has exe value
and slayer has SD too much
shadow ibex
shadow ibex
easily
latent moss
i was gonna say ignore pain for am but then i remembered
shadow ibex
happy with warrior just ignore test of might spiteful IP dance of death fatality storm of swords
- the amazing 90 sec cds in class tree
compact geyser
the amount of SD is fine. the fact im not supposed to actually spend em is the cringe part. idk whats supposed to feel good about not hitting execute any and every time its usable
reef glade
Rip the dreadnaught massacre
shadow ibex
strength of arms
idk how they can defend DF to TWW with stuff like imp slam and DoD and spiteful
no way they have any idea wtf to do w arms
latent moss
no way they have any idea wtf to do w arms
if only they let me and walhe 
minor gust
come one blizz you know what to do I need to see an extremely based copy and paste
and well start from there
formal verge
i miss df s3/s4 arms.
spice agate
why are there no leg enchants on the AH?
latent moss
why are there no leg enchants on the AH?
they are called armor kits
i think frosted armor kit is the armor one
most dps cause armored to the teeth
reef glade
Lvl 85
assume thatās a mop classic thing
unless lvl 85 means Ilvl 85 in which case that also sounds wrong
foggy cipher
With critical chain getting nerfed, will we still run it in the next patch?
terse osprey
Seems to me like warriors arent getting much love next patch
Unless their doing last min changes
shadow ibex
we probably wont see anything but tuning
terse osprey
Rip
sour forge
Seems to me like warriors arent getting much love next patch
Fury has gotten some solid buffs
terse osprey
Fury has gotten some solid buffs
Thats good at least
sudden fox
Seems to me like warriors arent getting much love next patch
Both my mains, warrior and rogue are in a cooked spot and both need some serious reworking lol
Its brutal
terse osprey
Both my mains, warrior and rogue are in a cooked spot and both need some serious...
Oof
spring rune
You got time, get that Enh rolling
hazy flower
jade ember
But think about it, do you actually want to have fun playing a video game? Isn't being in a toxic relationship with your class healthier for you in the long run?
proud remnant
slow saddle
Both my mains, warrior and rogue are in a cooked spot and both need some serious...
Rogue is fine
sudden fox
Thatās cap
slow saddle
I c ppl doing quite well
sudden fox
One of their hero talents is entirely unusable lol
Hasnt been adjusted once all xpac
Completely neglected
slow saddle
Who cares if the other is strong?
sudden fox
Rogues? š
Variety is nice
Its in the same boat as warrior where the whole thing is just a bit uninspired and needs love
slow saddle
I mean apm is stable of outlaw. So i mean if u dislike it just aint for u?
sudden fox
Doesnt change the fact that the class needs some major adjustments lol
Outlaw has a very niche playerbase
sudden fox
I care more about raid than keys
slow saddle
Top 8 sorry
Again 100% on par with warrior this tierš
And we approve of our raid dmg
slow saddle
Yeah live raid dmg is mid
sudden fox
So is S3 so far
slow saddle
If we are talkin next tier, well nobody knows
slow saddle
Or there seems to be 5-6 outlier specs
That do way more, rest seems stackee together, and arms could use a rework, but mainly needs tunin
sudden fox
You could tune any spec to be good, how it plays is arguably more important
Having opportunist do comparable damage to MS this tier was cringe
brittle pelican
in my worldview if arms isn't #1 execute spec then it's trash
brittle pelican
juggernaut stinks
slow saddle
Having opportunist do comparable damage to MS this tier was cringe
Which was tuning and not an issue for arms as well
A proc should be want to click. Opp was
Jugger stacks and holdin sd procs prayin for good rng is hell
brittle pelican
they should double the max stacks and halve damage bonus
dim basalt
they should double the max stacks and halve damage bonus
That doesnt fix anything
jade ember
Just get rid of the darn thing
Or give it a small stack cap that's easy to hit if you lose it idk
But it's just silly atp
slow saddle
they should double the max stacks and halve damage bonus
Makes it worse
Max stacks 5
sudden fox
I think he means double the damage and halve the stacks lol
slow saddle
5stacks 17 seconds bandaid fix
fair tinsel
Shit, bring bloodbath back
slow saddle
Until a proper rework
slow saddle
Bladestorm did dmg
fair tinsel
Yea that was another thing, bladestorm actually being a cd
Ppl legit fled for their lives from it
dim basalt
Arms is pretty strong in pvp
slow saddle
In pvp
fair tinsel
Bleeds were way more impactful it felt like
Having a poweraura for that hilariously tuned shadopan rep trinket and reapplying dots for giga bleeds was so juicy
8800 str from a rep trinket was so unhinged
That too, arms was wild in pvp, honestly peak of the spec for me
Then wod happened.
Then they detected fun aka glad stance, and cut off that escape route from the spec
But yea probably the last time execute range felt good
Argus meme doesn't count
brittle pelican
I think he means double the damage and halve the stacks lol
no I mean they should make it worse
brittle pelican
nerf rage generation
fair tinsel
Give every mob absorb shields that have to be broken to gain rage
brittle pelican
cinema
fair tinsel
Add an affix which only triggers the moment demolish starts casting
smoky kayak
there already is one, it's called -99% movement speed
quaint otter
Add an affix which only triggers the moment demolish starts casting
Balls
dry frost
I quit playing seriously S3 DF and quit fully early S1 TTW. Is it worth coming back with the intent to CE again?
slow saddle
It always is
Raids are good
Dependin on ya criteria? Do u play only warrior? Do u only want to play if we top dps
Also why did u stop in season1
dry frost
I mostly play Assa and Arms. I CEād S3 DF and played S4 but got screwed by my guild and then they had tons of issues S1 TWW and I was having irl issues and just quit. I sorta kept up with Assa but not at all with the state of games or raids
I was Rank 94 Assa 10.2.5 
So I wanna get back into pushing ranks again but idk if the game is really worth playing rn
thick kelp
New raid looks like a banger but arms class design isnt in the best place rn.
dry frost
I mostly favor specs that are dot or bleed heavy so Iād prolly come back as Assa if Arms bleeds arenāt strong
thick kelp
Well Colossus plays more around rend, dw and Troar due to the s3 tierset but nothing that makes your gameplay different. Only difference is that you would also talent into SkS but for "pushing ranks" you would not play colossus outside of m+
swift crown
Surely Colossussy on DHs?
Idk I didn't test stacked much after Thane buffs is Thane just goated now
thick kelp
Well on DH's yes for Colossus altho with the state of Thane atm x
thick kelp
Play wildstalker feral then
dry frost
Itās not just bite spam?
Last I rember it was like convoke, pray for 16 bites, bite again, stonks š
gray swallow
Is there any chance for some talentās rotation, or class changes for arms warrior before 11.2 goes live?!?
thick kelp
non
swift crown
PTR has a release candidate build, the only thing that will happen from this point is number tuning, if that
sacred zodiac
PTR has a release candidate build, the only thing that will happen from this poi...
12% nerf to fury 50% buff to aff please
swift crown
You know
thick kelp
PTR has a release candidate build, the only thing that will happen from this poi...
Raging blow buffed by 40%
swift crown
I dont think Aff performs better than Fire Mage
with a 50% buff
Well it does
Hmm what would the number be
20% buff they would likely be equal-ish
50% is hyperbole but Aff is genuinely awful
and there's no Bandit this tier
@sacred zodiac We're doing PTR keys next week
fresh spire
quaint otter
icy mulch
fresh spire
lament elbow
clever lichen
latent hull
guys
clever lichen
Delete juggernaut stacks pls
latent hull
im predicting warrior buff
shadow ibex
clever lichen
Heroic leap cd decreased
daring heron
Nerf fury
latent hull
Heroic leap cd decreased
clever lichen
We can spam it yo
latent hull
i mean even if warrior did top dps ppl still wouldnt take them cuz 0 utility
and fury will just never be top dps unless theres a dungeon where you pull 5 mobs at a time
clever lichen
No itās not true
In s1 beginning fury was pretty good at killing small adds
So we get 2(!!!) fury warriors on first mythic kill ansureq
And 10 nerfs after
latent moss
i mean even if warrior did top dps ppl still wouldnt take them cuz 0 utility
thats just incorrect
dps is what matters the most
- warriors dont have 0 utility
colo shockwave is the best aoe stop in the game
20s cd with rumbling earth
stuns and knockups
shadow ibex
just need class to titanforge
just roll warforged gemsockets tert stats on your class
I doubt blizzard even knows our fear is target capped
wanton sierra
omg what happend
shadow ibex
Nothing ofc
wanton sierra
i read some ppl talking about changes, but i cant find the news on wowhead
wanton sierra
Nothing ofc
oh xD ok
high field
buff warrior
astral yarrow
buff warrior
need another 50% on MS
high field
icy mulch
I doubt blizzard even knows our fear is target capped
I 100% bet this is the case. Lol
icy mulch
need another 50% on MS
But we'll have to hit slam before we have that active. Uh huh uh huh.
icy mulch
Are we actually expecting something?
jade ember
Noyes
shadow ibex
Are we actually expecting something?
I'm not expecting anything until patch is live atp
I don't think blizzard actually knows how bad arms is so we just gotta wait until wowhead liberation of undermine dps ranking
jade ember
Just hire a new Warrior dev and make him wear a shock collar that goes off any time someone makes a horrible meme about Arms in this channel
icy mulch
Arms was played on what, two fights? Cauldron and Mug'zee. Mug'zee being very much up for debate.
icy mulch
Just hire a new Warrior dev and make him wear a shock collar that goes off any t...
Jesus, we don't want to kill the person.
jade ember
I could prolly solo tbh
broken arrow
shadow ibex
Arms was played on what, two fights? Cauldron and Mug'zee. Mug'zee being very mu...
Oab but not for 90% of players p much
shadow ibex
Wouldn't that be nice
icy mulch
Am I one of the very few that like all the Warrior hero talents?
I have some gripes about stuff, but over all I feel they were good.
onyx rapids
um guys for mythic plus is arms colossus still the go to spec? or fury thane?
i cant play much so trying to stick with one spec
spiral coral
um guys for mythic plus is arms colossus still the go to spec? or fury thane?
Go ahead and learn some mountain thane fury, cause pretty sure Fury is going to be the go-to for M+ and raid next tier. But currently Arms is perfoming better in m+.
onyx rapids
Go ahead and learn some mountain thane fury, cause pretty sure Fury is going to ...
thanks for your insight.
Appreciated
spiral coral
Was seeing that Fury Slayer was doing well too. Tbh go ahead and learn both, but I think we're all in conclusion that Arms is going to be pretty bad next tier compared to Fury.
shadow ibex
Am I one of the very few that like all the Warrior hero talents?
I have some gri...
I think slayer is awful for both specs
Colossus root can still die. Maybe if it was meta in raid and every casual andy had to interact with it we could see change there
shadow ibex
Weak aura face ahhhh spec
spiral coral
Maybe I'm play other specs wrong but I haven't ran into a spec that is reliant on a weak aura like that.
latent moss
I think slayer is awful for both specs
agreed, my issue is that spec design itself doesnt support exe in aoe so they just chucked in reap and bladestorm
remove ravager make bs baseline
hollow plover
Maybe I'm play other specs wrong but I haven't ran into a spec that is reliant o...
enhance
latent moss
remove ravager make bs baseline
and rework arms to support exe in aoe
spiral coral
Shammy is the one class I never really "learned" so that makes sense.
latent moss
and make slayer exe only
hollow plover
+1 agreed
hollow plover
yea arcane barrage is similar to slayer exe
spiral coral
You don't really need it though, you can decide yourself most of the time when it's best
hollow plover
You don't really need it though, you can decide yourself most of the time when i...
same for us tho
spiral coral
Feel like I can pay attention more as arcane, whereas with warrior like, the ad or boss is my fackin face
jade ember
Yeah I play my mage without it but I'm also not stressed about only doing 95% of it's potential dam
Big vibez
hollow plover
i mean yea we're melee
covert geyser
Maybe I'm play other specs wrong but I haven't ran into a spec that is reliant o...
Outlaw
latent moss
what do you need as outlaw
spiral coral
Oh shit yeah looool
covert geyser
Managing buffs and not munching unseen blade
latent moss
haven't touched it in a while
shadow ibex
Maybe I'm play other specs wrong but I haven't ran into a spec that is reliant o...
Are there people tracking something like mfe and not casting an ability in order to extend 15 stacks of a buff?
Not even getting into tracking slayer strikes
latent moss
extending 3 stacks of a buff hoping that it will reach 15 and transition into execute phase with 15*
shadow ibex
Tracking slayer strikes so I know when SD will proc
hollow plover
Are there people tracking something like mfe and not casting an ability in order...
bro enhance on ptr has to go afk mid-pack rn in order to not get shitty tempest proc timings
latent moss
xddd
shadow ibex
Yea man idk this shit can eat my ass
hollow plover
so they keep it for next pack
latent moss
peak gameplay
hollow plover
Tracking slayer strikes so I know when SD will proc
i should probably do that
jade ember
Lol have they fixed the zone out tempest stacks thing at the beginning of keys somehow yet?
Such a mess
shadow ibex
bro enhance on ptr has to go afk mid-pack rn in order to not get shitty tempest ...
Sounds like collateral in some cases
hollow plover
Sounds like collateral in some cases
yea but worse
collat is a less painful version of ptr stormbringer
ngl
its one of the reasons im not playing enhance as alt
next season
its so degen
spiral coral
mm hunter feels degen
jade ember
Totemeic enhance is actually really fun
spiral coral
same with bm
jade ember
So there's that
hollow plover
Totemeic enhance is actually really fun
hard disagree
spiral coral
hunter is too damn ez it's crazy
I feel like I'm playing the game, and not the spec when I play hunter
hollow plover
I feel like I'm playing the game, and not the spec when I play hunter
sounds boring
spiral coral
It's a nice couch to lay on after playing warrior/mage tbh
jade ember
hard disagree
It's actually so much better than Storm, altho I still think it's actually fun. I don't mind the mini game of moving the totem tho.
spiral coral
i js lost a fair bit of respect
I pick 3 specs to play in an xpac usually, was just learning mage. Won't play it again next tier lmao. FDK is taking its spot.
I learned so much this season about so many classes and specs cause of the turbo event and being able to level everything
Whens the cutoff for title?
latent moss
I feel like I'm playing the game, and not the spec when I play hunter
try sub rogue
even easier
:cluegi:
spiral coral
Played sub most of DF
Tried a bit this tier and at the time it seemed, broken in a bad way lol
shadow ibex
sometimes i think why drink energy drinks why not just cut out the middle man and drink pre-workout and cut out redbulls and shit
shadow ibex
people see banned substance and get skittish
olive nest
Energy drinks are the worst possible thing you could consume right before a workout lmao
shadow ibex
I almost always have scoop of my preworkout right before and a monster 1-2 hours before cuz work/waking up
Super high caffeine stuff I've noticed it's impossible for me to fully inhale but that's just cuz I'm stimmied the fuck out
hollow plover
Energy drinks are the worst possible thing you could consume right before a work...
thats just not true my g
olive nest
Brother.. they are nothing but sugary garbage??
hollow plover
glucose and caffeine have beneficial effects on muscle endurance during a targetted workout
they dont have a beneficial effect on raw power/similar
olive nest
Caffeine is the best stim
hollow plover
the body wants glucose during a workout
sugar is just that
i mean if ur fatigued from a workout
smth like a snickers bar will genuinely do a lot for the body
despite it technically being bad for you
olive nest
Slam a monster then go lift hard and consume a snickers bar post workout for recovery
Yeah bro
Iām just saying things
shadow ibex
Drink a coke for carbs like a real one
I used to mix in this powder that was just pure carbs nothing else. 1 scoop like 15-20% of daily intake. Great for energy that wasn't caffeine
Mixed it in preworkout of course so had caffeine anyway
vagrant aspen
Rice Krispy and coffee goated pre workout
spare steppe
All i do is eat that feast before first pull and in set for an hour
candid pecan
blizz devs are starting work SOON TM.. surely surely.. we get something today.
jade ember
jade ember
If that's the case then who tf out here training ChatGPT to torture us Woyer players
lucid thicket
If that's the case then who tf out here training ChatGPT to torture us Woyer pla...
Mages
shadow ibex
Probably nothing until raid open tuning
half vine
If that's the case then who tf out here training ChatGPT to torture us Woyer pla...
The people that played bottom tier specs in vanilla. Warriors have been punished since then
lucid thicket
The people that played bottom tier specs in vanilla. Warriors have been punished...
Unironically
jade ember
Punished for the sins of my forefathers (' class design) smh.
I didn't even get to do any of that in Classic I got to 56 and gave up and a bud convinced me to come back for TBC. And then I tanked in TBC, unfortunately.
sour forge
Notes today 
jade ember
Friday evening notes we believe
elfin kindle
Is there a weakaura that I can give to my m+ team that says if im about to reflect?
i know bansheers has it
but im unsure hwere to get it
vast helm
Friday evening notes we believe
lucid thicket
The amount of cope is real
lucid thicket
Class Changes
ā¢ Woyer
ā¢ Arm
You ain't getting shit
jade ember
I am willing to sacrifice another class for buffs.
jade ember
Throw the rogues or mages into the volcano
rare kite
if there is a tuning pass then arms will get buffed. prob not by much tho
3-5% is what i am guessing
rare kite
yeah i mean before raid when i say "if"
shadow ibex
Honestly idt they have any idea state of arms and just waiting to see our numbers in last week of liberation when we have all patch changes
Maybe we get buffed like we got execute nerfed cuz we were good last week of ansurek tier 
rare kite
just need to get critcake on max's stream. tho crit doesn't want arms to get buffed
hollow axle
Do we get new consumables on season 3?
minor gust
Is there a weakaura that I can give to my m+ team that says if im about to refle...
Can just make a macro that does a /say or yell but I've been using that shit for years and let me tell you no one fucking pays attention to it. Best notification will always be verbal communication.
jade ember
That latest D4 update. 
It's a sign.
rare kite
Do we get new consumables on season 3?
new healthpot and a meld pot. but that's all
steep osprey
That latest D4 update. <:critcake:984549832511344640> It's a sign.
A sign of what lol
jade ember
Are we getting a reusable rune?
jade ember
A sign of what lol
No balance changes, we ship as-is.
steep osprey
We always get those in last season
steep osprey
No balance changes, we ship as-is.
There were balance changes a few weeks ago though
dim basalt
Out of curiosity, what do you guys think of this tier now that it is pretty much over
jade ember
Lemme guess, 250k?
steep osprey
Out of curiosity, what do you guys think of this tier now that it is pretty much...
Itās good
Enjoyed it
elfin kindle
Can just make a macro that does a /say or yell but I've been using that shit for...
its a nondiscord grp, 3830+ range, I have a say macro, but i want what bansheerz has
steep osprey
One of my favorite seasons in a long time
dim basalt
One of my favorite seasons in a long time
For me it's the other way around
steep osprey
For me it's the other way around
L + ratio
minor gust
its a nondiscord grp, 3830+ range, I have a say macro, but i want what bansheerz...
No clue what he has I'm sure you can ask him for it maybe check out his discord if he has one. But either way in my experience nobody notices anyways even with good players
dim basalt
L + ratio
Dunno, Rik + Stix + Bandit are horrible fights, Mug and Gally are really boring
steep osprey
I donāt care about mythic raid mostly
I only killed sprocket
I just had an overall good season
dim basalt
Honestly heroic > mythic this tier lol
elfin kindle
No clue what he has I'm sure you can ask him for it maybe check out his discord ...
his discord link on twich doesnt work,. but yeah will do next time he's online
steep osprey
Playing a lot of classes, enjoying m+ and raid sometimes
Thatās all I can ask for
dim basalt
M+ rota wasnt actually that bad
DFC is prob the dungeon I dislike the most
Bad PTSD you get in there as a prot
dim basalt
shadow ibex
Out of curiosity, what do you guys think of this tier now that it is pretty much...
Lasted way too long
Gally huge let down
dim basalt
I like that gally mythic is a completely different fight but its just too easy
shadow ibex
It's such a weird fight
Just nothing to do. Aoe adds. Don't soak or soak if you sre supposed to
rare kite
season has felt so long, even tho it really wasn't. the extra power midseason didn't exactly help
shadow ibex
Then just so many meh fights like Stix and rik. Downtime isn't fun imo
olive nest
This season felt fast for me because this is the first time I havenāt been trying to squeeze in a last 1-3 week CE
shadow ibex
season has felt so long, even tho it really wasn't. the extra power midseason di...
Is it not longer than other s2?
jade ember
I did enjoy alts this season. Only actually geared out a few but I got all of my alts at least a gilded crafted weapon. I'm a delve fiend tho.
shadow ibex
Idk abberus felt like forever too tho
olive nest
Actually felt really nice to be finished early and have time to do a bunch of reclears
solar swift
What do I do when theres nothing to press in m+? Do I even use Cleave on ST?
rare kite
Is it not longer than other s2?
no not really. s2 came out in march i think?, it's like 5 months long
rare kite
yeah so 6 months
olive nest
What do I do when theres nothing to press in m+? Do I even use Cleave on ST?
Read the tooltip of slam and cleave how much damage does each one do to a single target?
rare kite
6 months pretty standard season no?
olive nest
We had like 10 month seasons in shadowlands
solar swift
Read the tooltip of slam and cleave how much damage does each one do to a single...
I had no idea if Slam was back tho
jade ember
I bet S3 gon be long. No Fated, Legion Remix and prepatch adds housing. A lotta stuff to keep us busy before 12.0.
dim basalt
Nah it will be about as long as this season
jade ember
Maybe I ain't even looking at the timeline just spitballin
solar swift
I didnt understand #8
this is execute rotation for colossus
what do I do during Ravager?
zenith dagger
Spam execute because unhinged will mortal strike for you
dim basalt
If you use EP
rare kite
this is execute rotation for colossus
just don't run executioners precision and only execute if you would normally slam
way easier prio
solar swift
what to replace executioners precision with
rare kite
bloodborne
dim basalt
Bloodborne
shadow ibex
So excited notes
vast helm
So excited notes
strange perch
@tacit crystal open up wiiiiide say "aaaaaaaaaaah"
brittle pelican
fresh spire
hexed snow
Arms boys... is it over
hexed snow
Mage lock and dk guaranteed
:(
Gotta call my friend - John Blizzard to make some deals
jade ember
Buff Marks imo
shadow ibex
Can't wait for notes
jade ember
No matter what happens it's gonna be a mess lol
shadow ibex
I don't actually think we will get anything until the week of raid or week before
hard zenith
Aura buff inc.?
olive nest
dim basalt
gaunt owl
midnight kraken
jade ember
IM BREAKIN DA CHAIN
fresh spire
dim basalt
More trinket nerfs
"The only way to make bad trinkets good is to nerf the good trinkets" -Blizzard, probably
jade ember
"We saw you guys eyeing the HoA trinket as a 90s option so it's 2m now and also the cast is 3 seconds"
5 minutes brothers and sisters hold
Trust
sour forge
Fdk mm nerfs surely
fresh spire
forg
shadow ibex
Nice notes
dreamy sandal
Nice notes
WITHIN THE HOUR HOLD
jade ember
Guys I have bad news
I kinda had no basis for saying notes by 7 mins ago
But by the top of THIS hour tho
Fo sho
broken cove
what do you think of the fat creature i posted
jade ember
That is a humorously oval froge
shadow ibex
Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick notes
civic isle
Came for notes, left with frog.
sour forge
Notes today guys just wait
shadow ibex
Why wouldn't there be
dreamy sandal
But by the top of THIS hour tho
shadow ibex
WHERE DA BUILD
fresh spire
should be soonish imo? they close up for day in like 2 hours?
jade ember
I am not to be held responsible for any yolo guesses on notes that may or may not happen.
DEF notes in 23m tho
minor gust
God damn get off work and still no notes. Why the teasing my willy like that for just 20% slam buff
Also I can't type c ock in skyhold that's fucked up
fresh spire
minor gust
sacred zodiac
I am not to be held responsible for any yolo guesses on notes that may or may no...
got to read them early arms is getting a 2% ww buff and fury is getting an aura nerf of some description
minor gust
10% TB nerf inc
jade ember
10% TB nerf and Meat Cleaver bumped up to 66 from 65%
minor gust
Poor EU boys tryna go to bed
jade ember
Their fault for using kilometers
minor gust
So true
minor gust
Microsoft fired the guy who does the notes
He called Warbreaker Warbringer too many times
jade ember
Both specs 5% aura lol
rough sluice
5% for fury followed by 5 nerfs
minor gust
oof the 5% for both specs means they have no idea how behind arms is from fury in raid
but whatever fury tier boys
jade ember
I'll take it for now but please god hire a warrior dev instead of giving one of the other devs 5 bucks to come up with Warrior notes
minor gust
I would assume there is no class devs
im sure they fired some people and now its just a team of ppl doing every class
toxic elm
arms will get more aura buffs week 2
jade ember
Who knows atp I wouldn't be surprised either way
jade ember
I don't have a good peg on how well taken care of the other classes are
grave mulch
Finally all our stuff buffed by 5% .
shadow ibex
roar stocks huge
minor gust
5% for both specs I have a feeling thats it for tuning warrior
finally I can unleash the doom
shadow ibex
fine for fury
minor gust
shadow ibex
arms is actually fucked still
minor gust
grave mulch
M0s are the real high life
rare kite
Lmao fury buffed by 5% as well hahah
shadow ibex
arms needs more than 5%
they really just dont give a fuck lmao
just threw a dart at a dartboard
jade ember
I feel like Fury is gonna look really strong in lower keys before pulls start getting gigantic
Arms kinda still cooked tho
shadow ibex
feral 8% aura is insane
minor gust
just threw a dart at a dartboard
nah wasnt a dartboard they saw how much they needed to buff fury by and were like eh im sure arms only needs the same
smoky kayak
they really just dont give a fuck lmao
grave mulch
smoky kayak
feral 8% aura is insane
Feral was kinda in the shitter so
shadow ibex
https://tenor.com/view/crybaby-billy-butcher-karl-urban-the-boys-wah-wah-gif-804...
when someone shit talks dance of death
stuck yacht
Why blizzard dislikes warriors so much
smoky kayak
who brought up dance of death?
halcyon valve
Wow devs carefully crafting shaman tuning šØāš¬
Wow devs just slapping 5% aura on warrior 
grave mulch
Those ele buffs tho
shadow ibex
me just now
smoky kayak
ok.... has anyone ever said it's a good talent?
next sphinx
We back?
shadow ibex
just saying that gif is relevant whenever someone insults dance of death
river ridge
Plus there's still time for additional tuning.
smoky kayak
just saying that gif is relevant whenever someone insults dance of death
ok... still dunno what you're talking about or what relevance it has on this conversation
shadow ibex
arms needs more than 5% is pretty safe statement tho
smoky kayak
but you go girl
next sphinx
arms needs more than 5% is pretty safe statement tho
So we not back? š¦
shadow ibex
ok... still dunno what you're talking about or what relevance it has on this con...
same to you girly
smoky kayak
feels like you're trying really hard to deflect here
how about just don't cry about buffs lol
smoky kayak
yes, you were crying about buffs... right after crying all week that you hadn't gotten any buffs!
shadow ibex
the world isnt going to explode
i said i expected tuning to be heroic/raid week
since you paying close attention to what i said i feel like youda noticed that
river ridge
i said i expected tuning to be heroic/raid week
No heroic week tho
shadow ibex
No heroic week tho
heroic/mythic week i meant
smoky kayak
well it's another tier of retail wow, so it's a safe bet to assume there will also be further tuning post-launch, yes
just like every other season for the last, idk, 8 years or so
next sphinx
Archi please tell me if this buff is enough to keep me well ahead of my group in DPS. I mean I've never been outdpsed by any of them on any key regardless of balance but
shadow ibex
i feel like ive said many times we would be buffed
next sphinx
I need to know how smug I get to be when I pump
shadow ibex
anyone who plays wow nows tuning happens
smoky kayak
this feels like a lot more deflecting lol
shadow ibex
we are upset with lack of changes like no jug address etc
river ridge
Archi please tell me if this buff is enough to keep me well ahead of my group in...
I mean if you're out DPSing them now...
smoky kayak
you correctly predicted that an obviously undertuned spec would get some buffs
shadow ibex
whatever you say champ
dreamy sandal
Was hoping for more than just an aura buff, but it is what it is. Still fun to play
shadow ibex
Was hoping for more than just an aura buff, but it is what it is. Still fun to p...
same
smoky kayak
point is there's no reason to complain about being thrown a bone - is it as much as you'd like, maybe not, but it's more than you had a minute ago
some of you guys just seem intent on being disgruntled no matter what
shadow ibex
i disagree and that's alright man
we don't have to agree with what bar arms has to meet
smoky kayak
there is no bar, it's all arbitrary
minor gust
this late into ptr Im expecting nothing but aura tuning
next sphinx
I mean if you're out DPSing them now...
But if warrior is joever when I out dps them I can be smug about it
smoky kayak
if you've played wow for any amount of time, that should become very clear lol
Welcome to World of Warcraft, where the tuning is made up and the benchmarks don't matter!
shadow ibex
yes so don't tell me what part of arms i can't find good
next sphinx
If warrior is good they just nerf execute first anyways and I dont want them hurting my son anymore
shadow ibex
i would have liked jugg addressed this cycle
grave mulch
Like I agree with what arch said but it can feel underwhelming with what some other classes got today or in the last week but itās 5% more then what we had and further running will happen
Tunning
shadow ibex
its very underwhelming considering the lack of changes we saw this ptr and expac
smoky kayak
there's an argument for how many changes it needed though - despite everyone always feeling like their favorite class/spec needs a rework to fix all of its issues asap, Warriors actually... don't have a whole lot of problems compared to many specs atm
next sphinx
Like I agree with what arch said but it can feel underwhelming with what some ot...
Damn how bad down were the other classes then?
shadow ibex
lol
river ridge
there's an argument for how many changes it *needed* though - despite everyone a...
I mean look at like Shadowpriest. They're actually terrible.
next sphinx
You say warrior is fine but we dont get to do 80% of our dps in the execute phase anymore. I miss the bar going big brr at the end
smoky kayak
Yes, Warriors have issues. Every class has and will always have a certain amount of issues
at the end of the day though, Warrior's issues are fairly minor in the grand scheme. There are a lot of specs out there that are just fundamentally flawed and really struggling to make ends meet, whereas Warrior's problems basically boil down to
- it's annoying that we need a WA for Execute and Sudden Death isn't quite as exciting an immediate proc as it should be
- pressing Slam more than once or twice in a row is uninspiring
- Roar is underwhelming
- "utility"
This is aside from general tuning ofc, which is always a concern for virtually everyone
naive sage
I laughed out loud reading 5% aura buff
smoky kayak
meanwhile you have like... Rogue which is just a complete and total mess atm
shadow ibex
worse than RB global gaming
smoky kayak
at least roar got better <:keks:936231610850897992>
technically it stayed the same lol
sudden fox
meanwhile you have like... Rogue which is just a complete and total mess atm
My man, this is what Ive been saying and no one listens haha
Rogue is fried
heavy patio
Wtf are these patch notes as of late
grave mulch
The evoker buffs I was surprised . I thought they were in a good spot
sudden fox
Has been for ages
minor gust
they have been doing a lot of fixing this expansion I think Warrior and Rogue are the last two classes that feel like a mess
smoky kayak
My man, this is what Ive been saying and no one listens haha
it's cause people only really pay attention to their chosen thing (it's me, I'm people; I really don't care about other classes whatsoever)
smoky kayak
they have been doing a lot of fixing this expansion I think Warrior and Rogue ar...
Those issues always feel exacerbated to the people who play it day in and out, but Warrior really is far from a "mess"
next sphinx
they have been doing a lot of fixing this expansion I think Warrior and Rogue ar...
Idk i think I've had fun every single xpac with my warrior. At the end of the day I always get to do enough dps to accomplish the goals I want and look the coolest when doing it
I have to assume the haters arent playing Pandaren and just dont get it
minor gust
Those issues always feel exacerbated to the people who play it day in and out, b...
Yeah of course, I understand the bias doesnt mean im wrong in how I feel 12.0 will save us
smoky kayak
I mean 12.0 will definitely have changes, new xpacs always do
anyway, as far as tuning goes - yeah Arms needs more to keep up with Fury, that's not really a secret or anything, but there's also no reason to believe that they won't do any more tuning over the coming weeks (spoiler: they will)
But the fact that they gave it anything at all, when it was clearly low, is a good sign
minor gust
yee but will those changes save us!
next sphinx
What if their only 12.0 change was giving heroic strike back
fresh spire
slam has been renamed and icon changed 
next sphinx
They already had the perfect tubing knob all this time to manage excess rage and yet they insist that slam is actually cool to hit
fresh spire
Heroic slam
next sphinx
Heroic slam
Hol up
minor gust
Bloodletting was cut in half to make another talent
smoky kayak
TBH though I would be less concerned with Arms catching up with Fury and more concerned with either spec catching up with casters
minor gust
fresh spire
minor gust
river ridge
TBH though I would be less concerned with Arms catching up with Fury and more co...
Isn't warlock the only out of hands? They just coped big nerfs this build no?
next sphinx
Well casters are further away from mechanics and it's easier for them to keep up dps and they are safer so they should be higher dps then the class who must enter the rectal area of a boss
sudden fox
it's cause people only really pay attention to their chosen thing (it's me, I'm ...
I care about rogue and warrior, I get CE on both regularly and itās just sad to see them both where they are haha. Any buff is a good buff tho
smoky kayak
Isn't warlock the only out of hands? They just coped big nerfs this build no?
Warlock was just hella ahead in general, but several casters (aside from Ele) were hovering around 6m, while most melee were closer to 5
smoky kayak
Well casters are further away from mechanics and it's easier for them to keep up...
That's not really how it works in WoW
smoky kayak
it might
drowsy eagle
Something will go up if we catch more buffs alright
grave mulch
Then the casters will look up at us
grave mulch
next sphinx
Something will go up if we catch more buffs alright
Hol up
smoky kayak
people tend to forget that everything Blizzard does is incremental
onyx rapids
guys sorry for talking about something else.
is arms colossus still worse than fury thane after the abovementioned patches?!
fresh spire
thane is still ahead
smoky kayak
nothing really happened in that regard since the tier adustment
onyx rapids
ah ha
thanks alot for answering guys.
i guess i will farm fury gear lol
grave mulch
Slayer on top
rare kite
guys sorry for talking about something else.
is arms colossus still worse than f...
ofcourse. both arms and fury got buffed by 5%(ish)
tacit lodge
If u just hit ur keys harder, youāll do more damage as arms
latent moss
go next
lucid thicket
ah ha
thanks alot for answering guys.
i guess i will farm fury gear lol
Just go play spooky arms
plucky mortar
Ill be playing arms if it was dead last and if fury was at the very top
mortal strike
spiral coral
Iām not playing arms next tier am I
steep osprey
Decide when tuning is done
sour forge
Iām sorry itās a 100% fury tier
I just wanted to play fury in keys
Didnāt want yall to get shafted
fresh spire
unless they actually buff arms directly and not fury it will be a fury tier, 600k difference rn
minor gust
fresh spire
thane st after buff will be close to slayer st in slayer i stg
minor gust
we had it good this tier with arms and fury being even
shadow ibex
yea 5% not enough
minor gust
we had it so good
shadow ibex
minor gust
thats doom af If thane fury beats us
fresh spire
not far off at this rate
thane st crushes colossus st regardless as its so far behind after the tier nerf
shadow ibex
you shoulda been here earlier saying these things was apparently controversial
shadow ibex
thane st crushes colossus st regardless as its so far behind after the tier nerf
how is colossus vs 8target vs thane
minor gust
I dont take it that seriously
shadow ibex
vs 8?
fresh spire
its ahead even with arms aura
latent moss
shadow ibex
if its ahead vs 8 even
shadow ibex
lmao
spiral coral
jfc
latent moss
<:sadge:820202363359854633> ok
guillotine in 12.0
smoky kayak
you shoulda been here earlier saying these things was apparently controversial
Saying arms is behind isnāt controversial, complaining about buffs is. They coulda just buffed Fury and ignored Arms entirely! 
steep osprey
smoky kayak
Clearly Blizz just doesnāt want yāall playing Arms since itās so broken and in need of a rework rn, right? š
latent moss
12.0
smoky kayak
WoW 2
jade ember
Fuff Bury, Erf Narms