#arms

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rare kite
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i would not do mythic raid if it didn't drop mythic pieces. i like the challenge of mythic as well but it needs both

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needs challenge and loot

olive nest
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I think character progress is the primary reason people log in

tacit crystal
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theres also people who only play to hang out

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like

olive nest
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And when that comes to a halt people quit

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If m+ gave myth track faster than myth raid people wouldn’t commit to a raid team on a 3-4 night schedule

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Guaranteed

gilded kraken
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why do people push keys tho

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also you still have mount / ce / hof

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/ tmogs

olive nest
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It’s an endlessly scaling game mode and it’s easy to log in for an hour an attempt your key randomly at any point in the week

gilded kraken
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ok but there's no reward past 10s so surely people would all stop at 10s but they don't

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i think youre underestimating that a good chunk of people truly do engage with the endgame for the challenge only

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i agree that making m+ give farmable myth gear would be broken but at least more than 1 piece per week

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like idk 1 random dungeon drop per week from the whole pool or smth

shadow ibex
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yea idc about loot. its been proben they are like 1% differences. i played and loved gw1 and that was an MMO with 0 gear progression but had an endgame

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all cosmetic and it worked somehow

olive nest
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I would like to see them allow us to target specific dungeons for myth track from the vault

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You target bosses in raid

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So it would mesh well imo

olive nest
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Outside of that some deal with it for the mount or for some sense of achievement yes but I think that pool is rather small compared to those who simply want the best loot

sour forge
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io rating probably encourages people to push past the max vault ilvl

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People like showing their “skill rating”

olive nest
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Exactly, Like why am I doing 16s when that’s not title? It’s rather useless other than it will make next seasons first week invites much more reliable

sour forge
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Make number go up means dopamine

olive nest
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I very well could be totally off with my viewpoint too of course, I just think it’s pretty solid when you consider the fact that turbo boost exists now

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They went ahead and slam dunked that right about the time people would quit playing because they were maxed out lol

lucid thicket
latent moss
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@daring heron shouldve read the bit above example builds chatting

olive nest
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Oof

sudden fox
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Wheres tuning copium

sour forge
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Any minute now

void bay
shadow ibex
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any moment

charred brook
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tuning ?

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wdym by that

sour forge
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It’s when arms gets nerfs for prot sins

charred brook
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oh! yeah we should expect that sometime soon

gaunt owl
charred brook
gaunt owl
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make me things of all those stupid idiot with their shit box that makes too much noise

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its always the portuguese

charred brook
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lmao

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when the nissan altima missing a front bumper drives past with the straight pipes being loud as fuck for no reason

gaunt owl
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exactly those idiots

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last one that took my parking spot couldnt move after using my spot

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2 wheels were MIA

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we are mostly plagued with people having those shitty Golf R or Audi R3 you know

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and they always were a cap

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to hide their baldness growing

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they cant take a curve so they have to speed in a straight line

charred brook
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oh the audis yeah

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always entitled

void bay
spiral coral
spiral coral
worldly geyser
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Hello, someone got a link for the arms rework was reading crit ? can't find it by myself

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latent moss
worldly geyser
latent moss
worldly geyser
latent moss
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fuck battle rez when u got damage

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ez

hallow turtle
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Is arm still in the state of no realy opener?

worldly geyser
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I don't like arms warrior and prefer do no damage at fury but would be hype to see a rework

latent moss
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by no realy opener

hallow turtle
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No real opener. Last time played arms it didnt matter the order you pressed cds in your opener

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like fdk and unholy have a set way your suppose to start the fightt

tacit crystal
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that's just wrong

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lol

worldly geyser
latent moss
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and it always mattered for arms

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sure its not like u will lose all damage

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but u lose a good bit

hallow turtle
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S4 DF it wasnt that big of a deal to not follow the sim order

latent moss
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no clue took a break in s4

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all df dungeons 🤮

hallow turtle
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I had orange mythic logs I remember

olive nest
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Cone why remove Bladestorm and ravager?

sour forge
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Bs is ass

latent moss
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ravager is just unhinged enabler

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bs if it was fast and did a lot of damage maybe

teal fossil
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Bs just needs to be tuned WAY higher

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It’s iconic I wouldn’t wanna remove it

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Or you can tune culling cyclone giga

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If you are worried about burst aoe

latent moss
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i mean i dont think adding bladestorm back would change much ngl as long as unhinged is removed

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and bladestorm is an aoe only cd

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in my original version i had bladestorm in the middle below imp ss / collat

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but then it gets very hard to talent into the cool stuff

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idk

teal fossil
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I think every major button needs to be worth pressing in every situation

latent moss
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i will come back to it and redesign hero talents also prolly

tacit crystal
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bc thats very different

latent moss
tacit crystal
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5 more 19s

latent moss
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with resil its hard to tell

minor gust
latent moss
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12.0

minor gust
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It was Ppawws last hope when he dropped his then he quit

latent moss
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@gaunt owl come back in 12.0 when they follow manifesto

fresh spire
teal fossil
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Ppaww theorycrafting next TFT set

fresh spire
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Garen always

minor gust
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i heard he theorycrafts grass

tacit crystal
fresh spire
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Never face check bush

latent moss
minor gust
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Thank god I got the Critcake Audio book for this Manifesto

inner dock
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I need serious help. I'm like 800k under the single button dmg

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on the dummies

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where should i start? logs?

minor gust
inner dock
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I've read the icy veins one a few times

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i suspect it's just not knowing the rotation well enough yet to where my apms are too low

latent moss
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sd with weakaura>ms>op>slam

minor gust
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not pressing buttons enough is a top issue in low dmg performance

latent moss
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just follow that religiously and u will do good damage

teal fossil
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Use helper

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Xd

inner dock
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sd?

void bay
latent moss
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sudden death

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i mean we also dont know if its slayer or colossus

inner dock
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colossus, M+ build

icy mulch
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12.0 rework, HA, that's some high grad copium right there.

latent moss
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mortal strike>overpower>slam

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outside of execute phase

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mortal strike>overpower>execute>slam

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in execute phase

latent moss
spiral coral
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^where cleave peepostudy

inner dock
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i feel like with just that and no CDs i'm falling behind quite a bit

latent moss
latent moss
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colossus arms do be like that

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if u mean compared to others

spiral coral
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There should never be nothing to press though.

latent moss
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ye u can always slam

inner dock
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maybe i just need more time

latent moss
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mortal strike
overpower
execute
slam

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is the priority

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on st

inner dock
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and for aoe?

latent moss
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cleave
mortal strike
overpower

spiral coral
inner dock
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and demolish at 10 stacks?

spiral coral
inner dock
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oh nice!

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and warbreaker?

minor gust
latent moss
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main target explosion

spiral coral
latent moss
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idk arms always struck me as a funnel spec 🤷‍♂️

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st/funnel

spiral coral
latent moss
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and low target

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fury is like

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more aoe to me

spiral coral
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yep

sour forge
minor gust
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might be to much interaction with SD tho

spiral coral
minor gust
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like theres a ton of mods here for SD when slayer exists. But shit SD needs to feel more core than it is now

latent moss
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that are sd

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except sd itself

minor gust
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ive counted like 4 so far in the first 18

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not including SD

latent moss
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wdym

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death sentence and martial prowess

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or did i forget something

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ig massacre gives a charge

minor gust
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Shattered defense has a 100% SD increase massacre

latent moss
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ye cause it loses value

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cause sd always crits

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thats only with martial prowess

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numbers are placeholder

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% and shit

minor gust
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yeah yeah

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still this shit is a good rough idea of what a lot of us want Arms to go back too

latent moss
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ye

minor gust
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Xans fury rework was a fun one to go through too

latent moss
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imagine all cds

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guillotine

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cinema

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pack obliteration

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prolly way too hard to setup though

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u would have to get a proc of exploiter then wb for shattered defenses

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actually not that hard ig

minor gust
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passive SS with collateral increasing targets would feel so good

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Arms feels weird in the sense 2/3 of your aoe rotation is just ST waiting for cleave to come off cd

latent moss
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ye

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btw in for the kill can reproc guillotine

minor gust
latent moss
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i hope they take inspiration

minor gust
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if they ever see it

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gotta put that shit on the forums somehow too

latent moss
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taste for blood 2 ms stacks mortal combo battlelord reducing ms cd

spiral coral
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daily thread bump when?

latent moss
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would feel so good

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on st

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never slam

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fuck slam

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actual last resort filler

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as it should be

minor gust
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yeah I like the cdr instead of resets

spiral coral
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If I never pressed slam again, I'd be very happy

minor gust
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makes your only procs more meaningful with big SD procs and Tac procs

latent moss
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also

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please

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give us opportunity strikes back

minor gust
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yeah would be another way to help rage in execute for colossus

latent moss
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or just

minor gust
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not another thing to stack im good

latent moss
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nah ud love executioner trust

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peak cata design

icy mulch
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Any time I have to hit slam it feels like I'm losing dps.

minor gust
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cata arms was a lot of fun when I was playing it

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was a nice fresh breath

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Im not that much of a fan of MOP arms so far its alright

latent moss
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legion classic waiting room

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legion arm

shadow ibex
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ptr build waiting room

void bay
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Legion was my fave xpac systems wise

latent moss
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wish i played it

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had a blast hitting dummies

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as arms

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and did a bit of raiding and m+

void bay
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Story was a banger too

latent moss
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everything except initial legendaries

vast helm
tender ermine
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Idk maybe I'm not super well versed in wow, but I think that the rage generation on arms is what makes it feel a little weird. There's no pro/con to casting an ability or consideration as to "should I use this and keep my dps consistent or try to build up rage and dump it for burst". The skill expression of arms rn is just listen to my WA ping and use execute. Does it not feel weird being the spec that has no control over it's resource?

latent moss
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rage is meaningless

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last time we thought about rage was sl

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since then we just spam everything and have rage

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anyway

tender ermine
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Don't get me wrong I don't wanna be fury and slap my face on the keyboard till I can rampage but surely there's gotta be some middle ground

latent moss
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when u spend 150 rage in 4 globals

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3x exe into ms

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colossus still doesnt have enough

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neither does slayer tbf

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it just has sd procs

latent moss
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would let u pool rage

tender ermine
latent moss
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warlords torment. reck on avatar cast

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it used to give on cs as well

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then lift rage generation reduction to 50% from 25%

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if <35% or something

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or give colossus some extra rage gen

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pwar would like it too iirc

tender ermine
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Maybe OP gives a lil rage and for prot IP costs less rage on a node?

latent moss
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op gives rage with finishing blows

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i think for prot its not that big of an issue

vast helm
latent moss
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dont look at roar and spear keks

shadow ibex
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roar doing like 1% fury st

sour forge
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And 2% aoe

shadow ibex
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where note

manic birch
minor gust
magic canopy
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<@&257983573498265600>

vast helm
open ingot
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I hated the legendary system in legion

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Was like only 1 viable legendary for fire mage and if you didnt get it, it sucked

slow saddle
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Just make 5.mages

void sigil
fair tinsel
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Classic needs to stop having the old server deleted when new goes up

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Biggest L

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Wanted to play prot warrior pvp in wotlk but haha jk here's cata

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Same shit maybe occurring with wanting to pvp as arms/fire in mop

quaint otter
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Gladiator stance xan

fair tinsel
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Lore accurate

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Rip heroic strike

dim basalt
thick kelp
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hesRight

slow saddle
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Wheres the better buff arms memes

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Or the nerf fury, arms takesna stray. Like col just did due to prot😅

grave mulch
dim basalt
quaint otter
dim basalt
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I didnt even notice lmao

quaint otter
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As an arms warrior i put Garen to S tier

fresh spire
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Stone Idol got shot on ptr

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Does this count as another nerf

tacit crystal
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and the answer is 100% yes

fresh spire
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It was shot pretty hard no longer bis

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Like minus 100k on sims

dim basalt
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So from broken to maybe dead?

fresh spire
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Went from 25k crit to 9k

dim basalt
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???

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Dont tell me 9k on 821 or whatever the ilvl is

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Because thats really low

fresh spire
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723

dim basalt
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Woops

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HoC gives more than that

fresh spire
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It's less than house of cards rn in on use

dim basalt
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Why do they have a hard time to find decent middlegrounds atm

fresh spire
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Hoc on last use is more ye

balmy kindle
quaint otter
calm hollow
dim basalt
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I cant

spiral coral
candid pecan
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I believe you

magic canopy
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yeah ptr keeps exploding

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cant touch anything

candid pecan
dense sphinx
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nerfed?

candid pecan
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yes, from 25k crit down to 9.6k crit

magic canopy
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were you able to activate it

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eh doesnt matter if the sim says its bad unlucky

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yeah this was the original values for it

inland drift
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damn..

swift crown
fresh spire
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We knew it would happen

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Still bro got murdered

swift crown
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they always do this

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with trinkets

fresh spire
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Might be bis in aoe still

swift crown
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shoot them into completely unusable state (compared to passive ST)

magic canopy
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melee isnt allowed to have broken trinkets

fresh spire
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But we no longer have a good 1.5n trinkrt

thick kelp
fresh spire
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Dk sims took a 400k nerf from the trinket nerf compared to our 100k apparently

swift crown
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Yea I mean

fresh spire
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And its still bis for dk

swift crown
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hahaha

magic canopy
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even the prim stacking trinket from raid like spymasters for casters is neutered becuase it has damage associated with ith

swift crown
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Rogues also wanted this right

magic canopy
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its a str trinket

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they cant use it

thick kelp
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rogues had 2min from raid

magic canopy
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legit just nerf to warrior dk

swift crown
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The Prism trinket is neutered because they think that having a trinket that provides a damage proc and NOTHING else outside of its use effect is acceptable

thick kelp
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hey bt

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now we can delve

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for a passive mastery trinket

fresh spire
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The spy master one also sucks for 1.3

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As it takes 140/150 seconds to fully start

thick kelp
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Conveniently takes around 2mins to fully stack

swift crown
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Prism is just Spymaster without any of the upside of Spymaster

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The big upsides were it being somewhat flexible because it was actually a GOOD passive trinket when stacked so you could afford to sit on stacks

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as well as obviously being an insanely good active

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and this thing just doesnt do any of that really

latent moss
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shitass trink

swift crown
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really is

fresh spire
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They introduced a lazy trinket that works for all cds

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That's all

icy mulch
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Sounds like we'll be using two stat stick trinkets than.

dim basalt
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When every change makes me happier that Im going to reroll

wanton sierra
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hey fellow gamers, i tried mists of pandaria classic, very cool! xD i become warrior on legion, i didnt knew that we got banners and tons of shouts on pandaria classic! slam was good button

icy mulch
dim basalt
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WW was the only option I had, else I prob would have quit

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At least raiding

wanton sierra
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did we got nerfed or something? there is time to tunnin to happen ^^ ❤️

dim basalt
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Read the chat

wanton sierra
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i mean, there is tons of other games! hehe good luck brother! ive heard something about classic +... is it official? belular talked about it, any hype?

icy mulch
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Classic, meh. It's something I pop into once in a while to remind myself how slow the game use to be.

wanton sierra
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i had fun playin hc, i agree that the game is slow af

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but i belive there will be some changes, some retail stuff plunged into classic

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idk, i hope they learned with sod

icy mulch
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I'd rather they don't. I didn't say the slow pace was bad. It's just such a different game.

rare kite
wanton sierra
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hmm i heard critcake talking about PTR and he was playin fury and slarms, he said fury is on a good spot

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idk about fury, ill mantain arms... and colossus, i hope it shall be viable on next season

icy mulch
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Fury is currently better than Arms in all aspects, but to say it's "good" is some up for debate.

lucid thicket
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genuinely fine
inb4 dogshit

rare kite
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oh i thought this was fury channel. lemme rephrase on the tuning part "fury is genuinely fine there*"

lucid thicket
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Probably not tbh

rare kite
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on ptr it is whether you like it or not

icy mulch
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It will really depend on the final tuning pass. If we stay mid or get left in the dust.

rare kite
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ofcourse it will depend on final tuning pass, this entire conversation is based on what ptr is like now

wanton sierra
lucid thicket
rare kite
wanton sierra
rare kite
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would take some decently big buffs for it to be ahead of fury on ptr. the single target is abyssmal

lucid thicket
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Arms is about to turn into MM with the way they doing the Kurt Cobain impression

sharp wyvern
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just 1 tier of collosus on ST pls sadge

rare kite
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you're gonna play juggernaut the spec and like it

wanton sierra
rare kite
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means extremely bad

spiral coral
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Super bad 😂

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I love that

wanton sierra
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ok ok got it ty

spiral coral
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I never thought of it interpreted that way. English can be odd lol.

lucid thicket
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Abysmal
Abys = Abyss
Mal = bad (hi Latin)

shadow ibex
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Bys is actually pronounced like s so it just sounds like ass

wanton sierra
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Abismal (same word in pt)
we can use that word to represent extreme of something, but depends how you construct the sentence you can get diferent meaning, thats why i asked

shadow ibex
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Source I created it

wanton sierra
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damn its good to chat with you that i learn alot! and i pretice my english too

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pratice*

wanton sierra
icy mulch
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Don't say that too loud. Ppl might actually think we care about education. keks

shadow ibex
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Last time things looked this bad was sl beta

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Imo

sharp wyvern
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education in warrior chat ?

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the zug zug class ?

shadow ibex
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But that was dmg this gameplay

wanton sierra
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its 2025, even warriors are studying now xD

lucid thicket
sharp wyvern
lucid thicket
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Take flight paths to study the Art of War

sharp wyvern
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does that mean you need to be a painter for war ?

wanton sierra
shadow ibex
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Did they change trinkets or smth

icy mulch
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Crit trinket was gutted.

shadow ibex
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Oh big nerf

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Sad

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Yea it's looking bleak ngl

lucid thicket
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Dps woyer is definitely not looking good

fresh spire
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Unholy dk tanked like 350k dps on sims from trinket nerf

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We took 100kish

rare kite
shadow ibex
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But really just. Shit ass fuckin booty trinkets next tjer

spring ruin
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too many 2min trink

spiral coral
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SHIT ASS FUCKIN BOOTY TRINKETS ROCKIN EVERYWHERE

shadow ibex
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Dropping everywhere woulda been better

olive nest
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Love that they just haadd to add a channel to the 1:30 trinket

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Buncha bums I tell ya!

fresh spire
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All good it died anyway on st

icy mulch
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I'm not holding my breath thinking they're gonna make warrior strong enough to matter in M+.

latent moss
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thane disagrees type shit

icy mulch
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It would of been nice to actually have a stand out trinket for us though.

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Thane is still gonna suffer from target cap gap.

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Unless Crit is sandbagging a lot, he's almost keeping up with Rando hunters and DKs. While getting gapped kinda hard in some cases.

minor gust
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I wouldn't bother thinking to much about warrior m+ performance.

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As long as phys comp exists so will warrior

latent hull
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the only way to save warrior is to create 4th support spec

fresh spire
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Banner bros

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Every button is a shout or banner

lucid thicket
teal fossil
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yeah i prefer to be balanced around an 8% buff instead

untold trench
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Nooooo, you dont udnerstand, we wouldnt be balanced around thaaaaat!! We looooost DPS!! We need compensation buffs!!!

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Did I do it right? I think that was pretty spot on

latent hull
icy mulch
latent hull
minor gust
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The community has finally realized you can play other classes and still get title/world first keys phys comp will still exist

fresh spire
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Remove mystic touch

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Remove dh one

shadow ibex
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True

minor gust
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Just seems obvious all the ppl playing phys comp now would keep playing together next patch

latent moss
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nerfing mystic touch doesnt change anything

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everyones is tuned around raid anyway

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u will just be doing 3% more after then nerf

craggy oriole
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yeah all us phys people will still play with each other
all the "nerf" is, is just putting the buff back to 5% which is what it currently is

tardy hare
# latent moss u will just be doing 3% more after then nerf

Where is this 3% aura buff, less then 2 weeks left before the season and no meaningful compensation after mystic nerf. They were trying to make mystic touch as beneficial as other buffs since so few classes benefit 100% from it but then you had people gas light the community that blizzard was going to make phys damage dealers garbage

minor gust
untold trench
minor gust
tardy hare
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Not bait blizz even said what their intention was and that the change was because of community fears

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15% bladestorm buff doesn’t make up for mystic touch being reverted

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How much damage does mystic touch provide a raid vs mark or sky furry?

dim basalt
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3/10 bait

minor gust
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It's getting worse

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2/10

dim basalt
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Buffing mystic touch to make it even with other buffs is just a bad idea

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In case youre not baiting

tardy hare
dim basalt
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No, my logic is based on common sense

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1/10 at this point

tardy hare
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Let’s say it’s common sense. Mystic touch got reverted where are warrior buffs to account for the 3 % loss

spiral coral
dim basalt
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If Blizz genuinely cared to make phys comp stand out more they have to buff the individual specs

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Because mystic touch always affects multiple specs, whether its a buff or nerf

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Buffs in general are really meh for balance

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But thats the only way they can prevent class stacking

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

charred brook
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The logic behind mystic touch effectively being a nerf for warriors would be true

dim basalt
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If anything the dh and monk debuffs should just be combined into one

charred brook
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They have to tune classes around the raid buffs

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They do it for all classes

dim basalt
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Because of how few specs actually do pure phys damage in comparison to specs that do pure magic damage

charred brook
spiral coral
charred brook
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If you had a feasible way of proving that all of warriors tuning thus far was based on mystic touch being 8% I would agree

tardy hare
charred brook
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But we don’t know how they have been don’t

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I agree it’s embarrassing

spiral coral
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Warrior ain’t getting changed, anytime soon

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Just seems a swapping buffs between the classes

tardy hare
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That’s my point though if blizz had planned on warrior being tuned around mystic touch buff. We got to play with it we weren’t great they reverted it and guess what no compensation

dim basalt
#

Warrior needs way bigger changes that couldve only happened in the first 2, maybe 3 weeks of PTR

charred brook
#

What if we all just played single minded fury in protest

#

I’ve come to terms with the fact that warrior is just gonna be what it is

#

And I’m gonna play it either way cause I enjoy it

#

It sucks we don’t get the attention some specs do but it is what it is

#

Playing a mage did have me spoiled for a bit

untold trench
#

So tldr in here atm, in arms, is that arms lose the 3% dam amp from the monk buff. As such, all is doom and gloom, as blizzard hasnt tuned us around that buff yet. Therefore, we shall all use single minded fury in protest.

#

Aight Hydrate

charred brook
#

You got it!!!

#

I almost wonder and this is a complete hypothetical, but what if they had tuning planned to roll out, but decided to revert monk buff back and had to pause on it to fix it

tardy hare
#

I don’t know warrior been bottom damage in keys for three seasons now and we had a chance for a free 3% buff and everyone lost their mind and told blizzard to revert it no wonder they don’t care about phys comp classes

charred brook
#

Because if they had it set to roll out BASED ON the 8%, they would have to drastically change it

dim basalt
#

Arms is not bottom tier damage in keys this season?

untold trench
#

Arms been bottom tier? I am a bit out of the loop, but from what I seen it really kept up

#

Fury been bottom tier, for sure. But arms or prot?

tardy hare
charred brook
#

Would you rather be never included in a non meta group because you’re missing 8% damage

sacred zodiac
#

like literally #1

tacit crystal
#

yes

charred brook
tacit crystal
#

hi eddie

#

:3

charred brook
#

Good morning gio

tardy hare
#

We weren’t being brought in non phys comp groups in title keys anyways

sour forge
#

Shockwave is bis

tardy hare
charred brook
#

Yesterday

#

I mean we may not always be favored sure

#

I will always agree to that

sacred zodiac
charred brook
#

But if we are tuned around 8%, you have to understand, if we run without a monk now we will be doing like tank damage

sacred zodiac
#

no one is brought if their damage is garbage even if they have the best util in the game

charred brook
#

We go from being okay without a monk to now being completely screwed without a monk

tardy hare
charred brook
#

It doesn’t matter if it’s their intention because we know through interviews that classes are balanced around raid buffs

tardy hare
sacred zodiac
#

we do, you might not

dim basalt
#

They would forget they buffed the monk debuff within weeks

charred brook
#

You HAVE to balance around raid buffs

tardy hare
sacred zodiac
#

pretty good right

charred brook
sacred zodiac
#

again just because you are not #1 doesn't mean you don't bring top tier damage

#

there are entire classes that are worse off

charred brook
#

Have you ever heard a caster in raid complain when arcane intellect isn’t there

#

Just wait until you hear phys classs when a monk buff isn’t around at 8%

dim basalt
#

Even at 5% lol

sacred zodiac
#

im already malding when theres no sub rogue in raid

dim basalt
tardy hare
charred brook
#

Right, because their class is tuned around having that buff

tardy hare
charred brook
#

And if they don’t have it they do a lot less damage

sacred zodiac
tardy hare
dim basalt
#

We arent 3% weaker because they reverted it to the original state, to be fair

tardy hare
sacred zodiac
#

only up to 3 dps specs can be meta at the same time in a game with 13 classes you are expecting a bit much if you want to be #1

teal fossil
tardy hare
teal fossil
#

In raid you are balanced around all buffs active

#

So our goal sim would be the same whether it’s 5% or 20%

#

Whether that goal is changing is your opinion

tardy hare
shadow ibex
#

Just get rid of them

untold trench
#

Are we still going on about this "theoretical" loss of 3% damage, from something we were never tuned around?

charred brook
sacred zodiac
tardy hare
sour forge
#

Crit has a random comp and is gonna get title

charred brook
#

Well, not a random comp

sacred zodiac
#

idk unless you are trying to time worlds best keys you are not being comp limited right now

untold trench
#

Random doesnt quite fit there

charred brook
#

He buffs his entire comp lol

sour forge
#

Okay “non standard”

tardy hare
sacred zodiac
#

are you being perception or skill diffed

tardy hare
#

No one say oh a warrior let me give him a shot over a boomkin

sacred zodiac
#

or tuning

tardy hare
charred brook
#

Fwiw, Laayne is one of the better warriors in title keys

sacred zodiac
#

cause you are being perception diffed not tuning diffed

charred brook
#

We both play with a lot of the same community

sacred zodiac
#

pretty natural development for an mmo

tardy hare
charred brook
#

Haha, I try

tardy hare
#

So we are tuning diff

sacred zodiac
#

so are we returning to the we aren't #1 therefore we're useless argument

#

reasonable

tardy hare
sour forge
#

Doesn’t phys comp still complete same level of keys

charred brook
#

No

#

About 1 key level under

untold trench
#

Only 1 now, not 2? Nice

charred brook
#

Yeah it’s not bad

#

It may not even be impossible

#

But it’s definitely insane phys comp players doing it

craggy oriole
#

if we're talking world first key level then yes they are the same level
besides like 1 dungeon maybe

sour forge
#

But it’s obviously doable

charred brook
#

I wouldn’t say obviously

#

It’s incredibly difficult

sour forge
#

It’s been done

charred brook
#

Yeah

#

On average phys comp is about 1 key level lower than meta comp

#

But it’s definitely doable

sour forge
#

So it’s not a tuning issue

charred brook
#

Not entirely

#

It’s mostly like a utility thing I think

untold trench
#

Yeah, it can be done. This is true. What many argue is the effort needed to do so.

Why do 'phy comp', if doing 'magic comp' has a 20-30-40-60, whatever % better chance to succeed a key on avg.

Sure you can still get to say, a 22, just hammering at the wall till you hit that sweet spot that breaks it down. Be it a 1% chance or 3% chance.

Most ppl would say the 3% chance is worth hella'lot more than the 1%, even if the 1% can do it, might even do it before the 3%.

#

Its kinda that logic that drives many when they say 'it aint balanced' or 'fair'.

#

Not necessarly the possiblity to get there.

charred brook
#

I mean that’s what it really does come down to

#

Effort put in

#

It’s arguably just more difficult to do as a phys comp than it is the meta comp, but it’s still doable

untold trench
#

Yeah, I kinda agree. Problem is, we talking a video game and the 0.1% - at that point, balance at that point takes a backseat to the rest of the game. For the 99.9%.

So lets say the fix is to nerf VDH (for the sake of argument, they are the reason for this unfair lead), and at the highest 0.1% level they now equal to Prot Warrior.

But - at the 1-75% level, VDH is now dead in the water useless.

#

One can argue, VDH is kinda in that position right now.

sour forge
#

Idk it seems like everyone mostly cares about the .1% tuning though. Cause they think it’s troll to play something outside of meta

untold trench
#

It is one of those things you see us bash our head against a lot. But, it makes sense from a more casual view on things. Yet, we shouldnt brush away their concerns outright. As it has been proven, community perception of what matters, is what matters.

weak rain
#

Thats a lot of talking just to say buff arms

sour forge
#

But that’s not something Blizz can “tune”

#

Community will always place the best 5 on a pedestal

untold trench
#

It cant be easily tuned, but - in the example of Fury, that was 20-10% behind on overall in the keys ppl are doing. That perception is reinforced. The easiest way to handle that as it balls on, is a buff to solve the 'issue' of low overall DPS.
(lets set aside the argument of prio vs overall dam)

sour forge
#

Right but if warrior isn’t within 1% of a meta overall people would still view war as lesser and the problem still exists

#

And if we are meta. Then another class isn’t. So it’s not like we’re special in this matter

untold trench
#

There are degrees, and community perception will soften as they play with warriors that dont do the 'bad damage' they fear. Currently tho, they do play with said bad damage on the meters in their keys - and it cements.

shadow ibex
#

It's more than being behind tho

untold trench
#

Think of it in the same tune as "VDH bad, they keep dying in keys", VDH wasnt played at lower levels at all, as what they saw was - VDHs dying. Now, VDH got to become meta, that shifted, VDHs still die in droves - but the perception that they are the best is given from the top-end. As such, ppl still believe that VDH is good, even if at their gameplay level they are still the same thing. The perception flipped.

shadow ibex
#

It's being capped, low utility etc

untold trench
#

Honestly, 99% of ppl care about DPS, not the effect of the spec in the key.

#

That is my take on it tho.

sour forge
#

Thats kinda my point theres always gonna be a top spec and the community will consider anything under that as less desirable

#

Doesn’t matter if the spec is capable or not

untold trench
#

Totally agree. I just want to stress the point that there are degrees to community perception impact, some are acceptable and others directly harmful.

sour forge
#

I think harmful was Aug release

#

Idr how many key levels ahead god comp was

#

But it was wild

#

I feel like the balance is much better rn even if warrior is middle of the pack

spring ruin
#

make aug a tank spec

sour forge
#

I think this is a common opinion but it’s not like support is a bad idea. Having only 1 supporter is though

void bay
wanton sierra
#

i agree the issue was introduce an new kind of spec, that obviously would be strong in that time coz of its own launch... so that straiten up the amount of comps, the meta was an very especific composition

sour forge
void bay
# sour forge That’s an entirely different game at this point

yup, was just saying they did try support in the past....and they tried super simple talent trees, and now they are back to super complex.....and they tried "bring the player not the class" and now we have "we need at least 1 of x" for the raid buff....they tried a lot in the 20 years or so its been out

shadow ibex
#

Aug did irreparable damage to game

dim basalt
#

It did?

#

For me aug is just another spec, either really strong or useless

#

And thats also partly because they dont know what they want aug to be

wanton sierra
#

ye now its better, ive played some 17s with aug and it was pretty good, the feeling is that with aug, bosses are faster but trash takes more time... and without aug is the other way around xD

reef glade
#

holy infinite funky yap in the arms channel

#

what happened

thick kelp
sour forge
#

Notes today gang

#

For sure this time

jade ember
untold trench
hazy flower
jade ember
#

Excuse me sir, could you please spare a PTR tuning pass which involves improvements for woyer deeps?

sour forge
#

Ww buffed 5%

#

Slam buffed 20%

jade ember
#

We are so back

olive nest
#

17 paragraphs 20% slam buff

sour forge
#

Oops sorry arms is performing .01% better in single target than we intended. Execute damage nerfed 10% and bleed from tier reduced to 60%

jade ember
#

Yknow what, you're right. Prot should catch a stray from us this time.

#

Back and forth strays until nothing is playable les get it

sour forge
#

We are removing spell reflect because it makes our brain hurt

jade ember
#

2 much brane 4 woyer warriorbrain

olive nest
#

Spell reflect requires a player to press a key bind after a split second decision of whether or not a spell is being cast at them. We’ve decided this is too technical and thus we will be removing it completely.
Blizzard 2025

jade ember
#

Blizzard just searches Wago and deletes any spell that has a special WA

shadow ibex
#

My hero spec is a weak aura

olive nest
#

Instead of Weakauras bosses now we have Weakauras specs

shadow ibex
#

Got both

manic stirrup
#

if no parts of god comp? 2-3

#

aug was criminal but the real disgusting op thing was spriest

#

and obviously how the 2 interract with mage in the comp

vast helm
chilly hearth
#

Bois
Wanna put some spicy thought on the new set
25% haste into a mastery/crit prio?

#

Bleedin damage prio into burst w/CDS

#

Talking about M+ for the new season

thick kelp
manic stirrup
#

40 40 10 10

chilly hearth
manic stirrup
#

oh this is arms

#

30 30 30 10

thick kelp
#

36 38 32 9

manic stirrup
#

doesnt have the same ring

latent moss
#

ideal would be 50/0/50/0

manic stirrup
#

100 100 100 100

latent moss
#

100 0 100 100

timber galleon
#

42/42/42/42

chilly hearth
#

Love the fact all wars are silly fucks
Love you all bois
Keep up with the zug

latent moss
thick kelp
swift crown
jade ember
#

PTR nuse not woyer note, woyer angy

boreal quartz
#

jaaaahhhh

minor gust
#

40/40/40/0 is peak

swift crown
#

0 0 0 0 cause I wont spec Arms next patch baseg

boreal quartz
#

40 40 10 10

#

but schmidi is right

bronze tiger
#

random stat BOEs? FIX YOUR FUCKING GAME BLIZZARD

half vine
#

no thursday balance tuning notes for PTR?

sour forge
#

Just don’t buy boes easy

bronze tiger
#

adding in dumb ass shit instead of fixes classes and bugs

quaint otter
#

@untold trench im tired daddy

half vine
#

PTR has Thanos Balance then?

bronze tiger
quaint otter
untold trench
latent moss
quaint otter
#

best friends

#

gladge 🚬

untold trench
#

huh?

quaint otter
#

after i died 4 times on a pull chatting

untold trench
#

Did you cut it at the AoE only part?

quaint otter
#

yes

#

becuz fuck fury aoe?

#

useless piece of garbage

#

even other capped classes do more

untold trench
#

sadge u trying to make me look extra bad infront of everiiiun

#

I trusted u

quaint otter
#

We ball s3 trust

#

(i reroll to new world)

untold trench
#

Slayer OF Fury, s3, it is time

quaint otter
quaint otter
#

basically play once every 1.5 min

#

subrogue but worse

untold trench
#

At least you jump up on the meters by a ton each time

#

When I press CDs, I lose DPS

quaint otter
quaint otter
#

i played arcane today

#

the jumps from 1.2 to 1.9 st are real

untold trench
#

Not a real spec! No!! sadgers

quaint otter
#

i was forced to with boosties sadge

#

663 arcane btw

untold trench
#

Get it to 685, so you can boost me already

#

Monk aint cutting it

latent moss
#

best 15s in ur lfie

#

while in cds

#

then torment

#

until cds

quaint otter
vast helm
quaint otter
latent moss
#

real

quaint otter
#

meanwhile

#

fury gameplay

bleak dawn
#

Who doesn’t like dogs

#

What a freak

quaint otter
#

🤷‍♀️

plucky mortar
#

Hey guys can it be my turn to ask how arms is looking for s3???

quaint otter
#

From what i heard looks great

#

St kinda sus

lucid thicket
quaint otter
#

(frost dk better)

plucky mortar
#

(I was kidding)

#

But thanks babes

plucky mortar
lucid thicket
#

Little bro thought he got you, but then you got back up because you ain't a bitch

plucky mortar
#

You had to be bested in combat to walk off death though

lucid thicket
#

Not necessarily, he got a cheap shot

#

Why do you think IBF is a button

plucky mortar
#

DK head canon lore

lucid thicket
#

I make too many d&d backstories

#

I'm washed

#

Although my forever DM is going to be running WoWRPG+3.5e soon, so there's that

shadow ibex
#

where build

void bay
jade ember
#

open WoWHead
no notes
close WoWHead
binge pint of ice cream while crying

#

The cycle continues

shadow ibex
#

I got a cat named him dog instead

jade ember
#

This sounds like a line from cheesy slam poetry

void bay
#

Idk why I bothered naming my cats, all they responded to was "pss pss pss" and "ch ch ch"

steep osprey
lucid thicket
steep osprey
#

Classic

lucid thicket
olive nest
flint plank
#

any up to date arms cooks for PTR m+?

shadow ibex
#

no notes then

bronze tiger
#

Why doesn't Kurt Cobain ever drive?

Cause he'd rather just ride shotgun

inner dock
#

so we're not even using WW in our rotation at all correct? The guides make it seem like it's our primary ability for AoE in some places, but then it's not listed in the priority list

steep osprey
#

Cleave replaces whirlwind

#

You use Cleave for aoe

arctic iris
#

Where are you seeing whirlwind in the guides

minor gust
#

WW is worth using after the buffs at like 3 or 4 targets instead of slam.

#

But in M+ your gonna always be using cleave sooo

minor gust
jade ember
steep osprey
#

Silly me

void bay
steep osprey
#

I think my favorite is cookies and cream

jade ember
#

Ya can't go wrong with cookies n cream

spiral coral
#

dirt cake by Ben n Jerry’s ruined all other ice creams for me

#

Ultimate cookies n cream indulgence

sour forge
#

Ngl I’m a sucker for tonight dough

vernal briar
#

bois how we looking for the next patch 😦 I haven't played since Nerubar

north forge
vernal briar
#

Oh.

#

Ice cream guy, can I get a hit?

sour forge
#

Arms is pretty good in keys rn

steep osprey
inner dock
north forge
inner dock
#

why is it annoying in keys?

sour forge
arctic iris
#

Yeah, that's the abilities list on wowhead

Don't use that to learn which abilities are important, it's literally just repeating what you could find on the talent calculator

north forge
#

there's about 6-7 GCDs of setup before you start doing good damage. colossus ability can be outranged and just cancels and goes on CD because for some strange reason we get practically rooted throughout the channel. Cooking on incite stacks and cleave stacks for big cleaves carried over between pulls is required for good dam. its all doable and skill diff but i feel like it has a couple of unecessary elements in the modern game.

sour forge
#

The payoff is pretty satisfying though

arctic iris
#

There's someone at Blizzard who is convinced that what melee specs really need is rooted channels, and they wander from spec to spec, shitting them up until they get distracted and go somewhere else

#

You can tell that they don't think Ret is melee because they've never done that to it, unless you count Fyralath

sour forge
#

Seeing you spike the meters after hitting demolish

#

Demolish root doesn’t feel that bad to me tbh

sudden fox
#

Surely theres more tuning this week

dreamy sandal
sudden fox
latent moss
#

but on ptr

#

its much better

#

tbf killing spree

#

was a lot more evil than demolish ngl

sudden fox
#

Never forget draught of souls

tacit lodge
#

Hello sirs, it’s a week until patch, are we winning or losing

bleak dawn
reef glade
#

rare instance of swap to fury

void bay
bleak dawn
#

because it's over

void bay
#

Nooo

north forge
#

am i alone in insanely missing DF S3 arms tier? rend damage UP. Sudden death procs UP. Sudden death procs a very powerful thunderclap = more rends and auto refreshes. Big power in dreadnaught + sweeping strikes aoe...

hallow turtle
#

Is there every a time I hold colassol smash to align with Ava and Troar? Like 5 or 10 secs off?

minor gust
#

ava lasts 20 seconds you can pop it early if CS is sub 10 sec cd

#

and you will still get the full value of CS in ava

tacit lodge
hallow turtle
#

Ive been running into CS being ready 10 secs before an ava

tacit lodge
#

If MS ain’t hitting 30 bombs I ain’t wanna see it

hallow turtle
#

so ive held it and aligned it with ava

minor gust
#

thats fine if its sub 10 seconds

#

theres no hard rule on these things all feel. Just know things with CDR generally want to be used on cd always but its fine to hold and align things if they are almost off cd

latent hull
#

when are the last balance changes coming

minor gust
#

🔮

tacit lodge
#

What’s the orb say if my dps is a brain diff or a class diff

sour forge
#

When the game shuts down

#

We have at least 3 years of tuning left

latent moss
#

no more mortal strike explode aoe or explode st

minor gust
#

damn bros doing abillity art and tooltips now

#

living in the fantasy of what well never get

minor gust
latent moss
#

some app from df era

#

lets u make trees

minor gust
#

thats cool

latent moss
#

thats how i took screenshots of the tree type shit

latent moss
gilded kraken
#

on par with destro w no chaos bolt or smth

latent moss
#

trust u wouldnt want to press it over cleave

#

cleave murders everything

shadow ibex
#

notes any moment

#

day just ended

jade ember
reef glade
#

prayge

tacit crystal
sudden fox
latent moss
#

20% deep wounds, rend, troar damage

#

9000% mortal strike damage

#

and colossus takes over everywhere

#

best case scenario

sudden fox
#

anything that makes skullspltiter viable is an instant L

#

that ability blows

latent moss
#

its viable anyway

#

cause of tierset

#

just use it as filler

#

if u dont have ms or cleave

sudden fox
#

yeah, L

latent moss
#

press sks

reef glade
#

roar needs like 200% buff tho fr

latent moss
#

fury can drop it on pure st

#

and play only ava

#

xdddddddd

sudden fox
#

Spear removed or buffed to match lol

#

Awful talent

latent moss
#

roar removed

#

spear removed

reef glade
#

spear surely better now

latent moss
#

ava removed

#

ava baseline for arms and prot

reef glade
#

gameplay doesn’t change if all that happens

#

w

latent moss
#

so still worse than no capstones iirc

#

for fury

#

idc about slayer arms

#

its dead

#

anyway

sudden fox
#

Its not dead?

reef glade
#

don’t u still have 1 point to use on capstone

#

If u get all 4 2 pointers

#

No damage further up in the tree no

latent moss
#

ye idk u put it somewhere else i dont remember

reef glade
#

Like have to pick base roar or base spear

latent moss
latent moss
reef glade
#

Yea

latent moss
#

u need cm for spear to be remotely useful

latent moss
#

but u can drop it if u dont want to play it

#

its like lowest prio

minor gust
#

I heard it was fury slam prio

#

thats how bad it is

latent moss
#

yep

minor gust
#

in the rare times that you press slam as fury you will now press your 90 sec cd

latent moss
#

xd

#

powerful 90s cooldown

#

i wouldnt be surprised

#

if 1 natty ms crit is more damage than troar on arms

minor gust
#

its fine that its not great in ST its mostly an aoe cd but like spear still being dogass when roar is this dogass is crazy

latent moss
#

i disagree

shadow ibex
#

both gotta go

latent moss
#

it shouldnt be massive on st i agree

#

but to be this shit

#

is crazy

shadow ibex
#

we have 90 sec ability that does as much as our avg global

latent moss
#

keep nerfing cds blizzard

shadow ibex
#

and 0 changes

latent moss
#

👍

shadow ibex
minor gust
latent moss