i mean. besides mage tower dagger
#arms
regal socket
boreal quartz
Dagger is heresy
regal socket
which is unobtainium
thick kelp
thick kelp
assa artifact sheats on back
regal socket
oh okay thats why
lusty plinth
@regal socket
regal socket
that sword is awesome, wish my rogue could use it
boreal quartz
If u rightclick it and mog it as either item
regal socket
ohhh i see
ty guys
this game has like barely any good daggers.. so annoying
they all look so comical
lusty plinth
big sword
regal socket
i switch between warrior rogue and dk usually
regal socket
LOL
yes
just ttried frost dk on the PTR 11.2.. feels awesoem
i cant even log in rn.. character list retrieval broken
missing gobling spawn so upset
broken for anyone else?
boreal quartz
Na is fucked yh
boreal quartz
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vj4X4ZmLUfeGPnSq78xJi1 BOOM
Is that a lot
What does arms sim for
thick kelp
What does arms sim for
4.9
boreal quartz
We fugged
dull siren
regal socket
isnt the difference like so negligible at this piont
compared to the history of the game
its like the smallest delta in dps bewteen specs
ever
like at 100% parse the dfiferences are like 3% or something?
regal socket
im talking about on release
boreal quartz
Is kinda big no
regal socket
of course they will fix it
regal socket
they balance tweak every week
regal socket
im not sure what ill play s3.. is warrior looking good or not really?
boreal quartz
Play your dk icl
boreal quartz
I cant lie
olive nest
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873282359074627585/1274193280258674749/at...
Me every time I compare arms st to fury st
rare kite
not good, but fun?
both. arms is not looking good, and juggernaut still exists so not fun either
shadow ibex
Jug worse than tom
regal socket
both. arms is not looking good, and juggernaut still exists so not fun either
oh jeez okay
is there no outfit in the game that actually matches the cata legendaries lol
dim basalt
I dont think there is
regal socket
fk u bliz
outer holly
For a situation like DFC first boss, is cleaving the adds for faster collosal might stacking a prio target DPS gain or loss?
rare kite
it's a gain on the meters which is all that matters. if it's a gain in killing the boss faster i do not know
outer holly
fair enough
tacit crystal
its probably only worth if ms isnt up
otherwise cleave + slam isnt speeding up the boss
rare kite
there are adds to pad on, big number
lunar remnant
im not sure what ill play s3.. is warrior looking good or not really?
I quit cause S3 looks to be the same old shyt for warr
But if your raid needs battle shout you can be the token warr I guess lol
Play MOP classic arms you’ll have a much better time
smoky kayak
first you gotta be able to play MoP Classic without lagging out for 10s every 3s
slow saddle
Jug worse than tom
At least jug + slayer = worse than tom
And if its raid fury looks fine
dim basalt
Yoda uploaded a meta analysis for tanks and the top comment is "based on this list I would say nerf fury" lmao
Warrior really has a become a meme class
vast helm
smoky kayak
Not really changing much unfort; adjusting Juggernaut is more of a gameplay improvement, and even extending the duration is only a stopgap - it is still going to fall off during fights with actual mechanics
That said, while Arms is looking a little weaker than Fury, the overall tuning isn't actually bad, moreso that both are pretty good atm
rare kite
Not really changing much unfort; adjusting Juggernaut is more of a gameplay impr...
extending the duration is a temporary solution for when they fully remove juggernaut in midnight(let me cope)
smoky kayak
only 2m sim diff
between Arms and Fury? no it's not lol
olive nest
The spec functions so it’s fine Blizz did a good job
tacit crystal
between Arms and Fury? no it's not lol
war and demo
smoky kayak
extending the duration is a temporary solution for when they fully remove jugger...
hence why I called it a stopgap, it's really just one of several ideas to help avoid WA usage
tacit crystal
smoky kayak
war and demo
yeah the spec that's obviously overperforming?
rare kite
ahh i did not know what stopgap meant
smoky kayak
we were talking about Arms and Fury, why are you bringing up Demo?
smoky kayak
ahh i did not know what stopgap meant
temporary measure
tacit crystal
because the tuning overall isnt good even excluding demo
smoky kayak
There are like 3 specs simming in the 7m range while everything else is ~5mil
rare kite
because the tuning overall isnt good even excluding demo
there's usually a few outliers and comparing other specs to them balance wise is not it
smoky kayak
and if you really think they're gonna stay 50% stronger than everything else, you're deluding yourself - even WoW's worst balanced tiers didn't have gaps that big
olive nest
You’ll take your 5mil dps and you’ll like it!!
errant goblet
and if you really think they're gonna stay 50% stronger than everything else, yo...
warlock s3 and 4 of sl?
rare kite
warlock s3 and 4 of sl?
maybe in m+ but in raid no.
smoky kayak
Absolutely not 50% stronger than the average
charred brook
Less than that I believe
It’s like 500k last I saw if even
I lied it’s more like 600k
hollow axle
Should we craft belt going into season 3, cuz that new boots? I was thinking about using bracer+boots till i get the boots and replace the belt with a myth track one, thn stay bracer+belt. Is that ok?
devout pewter
I'm so glad I don't really plan on going any higher than 10~12 again, if I even get there and not distracted with other games AGAIN ... And players on that range are completely open to what people play and not get trapped in a meta mindset
rare kite
Should we craft belt going into season 3, cuz that new boots? I was thinking abo...
wait for archi guide
dim basalt
Will be bracers + belts
weak rain
why not bracers and rings
patent ridge
in a +17dawnbreaker on ptr arms is looking okayish
minor gust
I have come with awful news the rogue parry bug has been finally fix
It's all over boys prepare to be parried again
nova marsh
I have come with awful news the rogue parry bug has been finally fix
So im staying shaman got it
God why does blizzard forget parry exists
Delete it
wanton sierra
in a +17dawnbreaker on ptr arms is looking okayish
witch build, mister eznex
latent moss
add spell resist
nova marsh
Oh no we cant have our poor baby spellcasters suffering
They're already too focused on not moving, now they have to deal with parry too? Mages would be overrr
wanton sierra
why you want to delete tho? i mean, its a nice feature that we got... i know changes nothing, max 1 or 2 hits but its a thing (i mean in high keys, i saved some keys tank death and i tanked by a bit)
minor gust
Blizz just couldn't help themselves fixing the parry bug
nova marsh
why you want to delete tho? i mean, its a nice feature that we got... i know cha...
Just enemy parry
minor gust
They need us to suffer
nova marsh
Idc about player parry
But loosing damage just cuz the game said "lmao fuck you" isn't fun
wanton sierra
hmm I got it, you mean by high level targets right? like WB parried by boss
wanton sierra
ye its tuff indeed, when it happens i know the "try" is done xD
grand idol
We are down to only raid bosses and very select special exceptions parrying in pve.
Might as well just remove it tbh.
nova marsh
We are down to *only* raid bosses and very select special exceptions parrying in...
And then they keep designing bosses you need to stand infront of
wanton sierra
or make certain kills unparryable
nova marsh
or make certain kills unparryable
We already have this
Blizz just dosent wonna give it to cs
wanton sierra
since WB is aoe, it shoudt be parried ever, only CS
nova marsh
No
wanton sierra
oh we use blunt xD true
nova marsh
No dude
wanton sierra
i play m+
minor gust
Yee but reg attacks can still be parried which is still cancer
nova marsh
The fact that a meaningless filler like op cant be parried but your main cooldown can is baffling
minor gust
That 6 mil MS crit you were gonna get fuck you
latent moss
minor gust
Yeah I've had that happen so many times
nova marsh
This is why I play enhance lol
minor gust
Parried SD just fucking me over
nova marsh
I get to be melee without the parry problems
grand idol
Also how parries punish the things they are parrying vary wildly. When cs could be parried it was an absolute disaster. But a rogue thing gets parries and its just like 10 energy.
latent moss
ye bro
vendetta getting parried by sylvanas
back in 9.1
was 10 energt
and all of ur damage
its like imagine ur avatar gets parried
nova marsh
Ava is still such a bad cd
nova marsh
Okay should say just bland
minor gust
It is a bad cd
nova marsh
And funny that cs's damage bonus is higher despite having a lower cd
nova marsh
Like the st capstone is so nerfed
You mean berserker?
nova marsh
That shit kinda deserved it thou
slow saddle
You mean berserker?
Warlords
slow saddle
And bigger
nova marsh
The reck obe
latent moss
then u look at shadow blades
nova marsh
That shit was absoutlely deserved
slow saddle
No furys actually decent
slow saddle
Capstone
minor gust
and u turn gray
slow saddle
But avatar on arms is a joke
slow saddle
ava reck roar spear
Would be more fun if just throwing the spear was dmg as well y
nova marsh
I'd like it arms and fury didnt share half their cds
minor gust
The torments were supposed to make it more interesting but they gutted them for both arms and fury
minor gust
Blade master is ok but warlords is pathetic
slow saddle
I mean dno why we couldn have crit % for every cs window
Instead of 6 seconds in savatar
minor gust
It was the rage gain is why the got rid of it
minor gust
But instead of just nerfing the rage they took the whole thing away and nerfed it
naive sage
It was the rage gain is why the got rid of it
They were very passionate about making the red bar even more cosmetic
minor gust
Tbh from a design perspective warlords torment makes no sense that it puts reck on CS when torments are specifically about spicing up ava
slow saddle
It gave on boty
minor gust
Problem is 6 second nerf reck on ava is fucking awful
naive sage
I mean dps warrior could be without its resource and nobody would notice
slow saddle
I mean 20% crit on wb made arms more bursty in aoe
St as well ofc🤪
But imagine bladestorm doing good dmg
And u wb into bladestorm
Good old times
smoky kayak
any effect can make it stronger, but the point was that Arms getting more Reck uptime through a talented proc than Fury's active cooldown was kinda weird
minor gust
They were very passionate about making the red bar even more cosmetic
Alright guys arms has a too much rage problem so instead of giving them a way to spend that rage we're gonna nerf the rage gen and rage costs so your rage bar is still cosmetic except for in very certain situations where you will just have no rage
smoky kayak
tbf rage right now isn't bad
minor gust
Eh prob should still consider it bad
slow saddle
I mean just press op
minor gust
You don't think or care about rage and it's cosmetic 90% of the time
smoky kayak
only part that's bad is exectuing as Colossus, but Colossus doesn't really focus on Execute anyway, so I don't think that's exactly a flaw
charred brook
What if you don’t have op
minor gust
It still needs to be looked at
smoky kayak
You don't think or care about rage and it's cosmetic 90% of the time
that's practically every spec though - resources aren't really something that are meant to be explicitly played around anymore, they're more just there to control the pace of the rotation
charred brook
Only resource I find myself watching is on my dk
When I’m looking at runic power
But I’m also not nearly as good at that class so that’s probably why
naive sage
that's practically every spec though - resources aren't really something that ar...
Enhancement would like to have a word
Marksmanship too if you would
minor gust
that's practically every spec though - resources aren't really something that ar...
I don't think that's true at all resources like rage are not meant to be ignored and Blizz spends time fixing these issues look at FDK cursed spec ignores runic power and Rime procs now that's fixed in 11.2 you care about spending Rime procs and you care about not overcapping RP
slow saddle
Ret paladin as well
smoky kayak
Enhancement would like to have a word
even maelstrom isn't something you really spend a lot of time actually thinking about, it's p much as passive as rage these days
minor gust
Problem is overcapping
smoky kayak
I mean if you press Avatar with zero rage before execute you will def care lol
minor gust
You should not be ok with overcapping
It shouldn't be a correct decision to OP with full rage
naive sage
even maelstrom isn't something you really spend a lot of time actually thinking ...
- not true at all, especially when you have to build tempests from pack to pack
- the point is, this argument does not change the fact that warrior's resource is practically irrelevant
smoky kayak
- I didn't say maelstrom didn't matter, I said it's not something you spend a whole lot of time thinking about
it's closer to Fury rage than Arms, but it's still largely passive
again, most class resources are secondary or tertiary considerations, and I really don't think that's likely to change
minor gust
That's fine tho as long as you care about not overcapping that resource
It's ok if passive good play naturally keeps your resource in check
And you don't really think about management
smoky kayak
Well Arms doesn't like overcapping, it just cares more about starving
and that's because Arms is a spec that constantly spends small amounts, instead of one that spends in bulk
minor gust
Yes and no
smoky kayak
so overcapping a little bit is fine as long as its not so much that it causes you to starve
minor gust
If your next button is OP and your full rage your gonna OP over slam
smoky kayak
that said, Arms doesn't actually overcap very much anyway
smoky kayak
If your next button is OP and your full rage your gonna OP over slam
the question is more why you're full rage at that point in the first place
minor gust
Cds
naive sage
Because spec is full of problems and you don't have meaningful ways to spend rage
smoky kayak
without big reck anymore, you really don't overgen that much
minor gust
I agree it's not bad like DF but still could use more work but idk how they adjust it anymore without a full overhaul of the spec
shadow ibex
Reaching 0 rage is a feat frankly. You're either playing poorly as colossus or very lucky with eb procs
smoky kayak
I agree it's not bad like DF but still could use more work but idk how they adju...
for what you're suggesting, there's no good way without changing a lot of stuff in a way that doesn't necessarily make the whole better
minor gust
Yeah
shadow ibex
I agree it's not bad like DF but still could use more work but idk how they adju...
Runic power is proof they can make a resource that matters
Because it absolutely does
minor gust
Like I want that perfect middle ground but I understand that is very difficult to achieve without major changes
naive sage
I agree it's not bad like DF but still could use more work but idk how they adju...
It would be the best thing, even if it's not perfect, at least it would be fresh air
smoky kayak
fwiw they tried this in WoD and I actually liked it - Execute was usable anytime for a really high rage cost (I wanna say it was like 60-80 rage), with the idea that you'd press MS and Slam most of the time and then Execute before capping
but while that was a cool concept, the reality was that you didn't bother with all that... you just pressed nothing until you had enough to Execute
minor gust
What was wods rage economy like tho?
Because if we had that with DF rage economy shit that's all I was ever asking
smoky kayak
we had that with DF rage economy in Storm of Swords
smoky kayak
it was just offset with a CD, but the point is that if the big rage spender is stronger than th little ones, you just stop pressing the little ones in order to press the big ones more
now, if you add enough effects to all the different spells to keep them viable (buff maintenance, etc) you could probably find a middle ground so that every spell remains important
but we're talking about changing a lot of stuff at that point
minor gust
Was gonna say make MS a generator again but then that just turns arms into Fury light
minor gust
100% I think they can fix rage just yeah would require a big overhaul to the spec that we will never get. So we're stuck with our current rage situation which is mid
teal fossil
it was just offset with a CD, but the point is that if the big rage spender is s...
Even if you tune the DPR of the high rage spend to be inefficient?
smoky kayak
again it depends, if it's that inefficient, why bother pressing it at all?
teal fossil
Like you would tune the DPR to be worse but then the value proposition is the GCD saved
smoky kayak
with all the moving parts in modern wow combat, all the various de/buffs, and spell effects, that's can be a really hard needle to thread
akin to "Bloodthirst is worse than Raging Blow unless you have an auto crit from Bloodcraze, unless Brutal Fervor is also up, or the new tier effect which also just makes Raging Blow always better regardless"
smoky kayak
cause it was just button bloat
minor gust
Ik ppl had button bloat complaints but I loved it
wanton frost
I just wish I never had to press slam again
boreal remnant
is there a collateral damage stack count where it's worth to send cleave over ms on st
surely at some breakpoint it does more damage
slow saddle
Runic power is proof they can make a resource that matters
Also dks this tier ignoring overcappin big time😆
slow saddle
surely at some breakpoint it does more damage
If u have a stack just send it empowered? With rav
boreal remnant
Idk if I'm at like 2 stacks or something I just full ignore it
slow saddle
Like surely u have a gcd for a cleave when ms is on cd?
It needs to outdmg a slam not a ms or op
boreal remnant
I mean if I'm choosing between cleave and slam sure, but most of the time I've got op up
minor gust
is there a collateral damage stack count where it's worth to send cleave over ms...
Over MS not really over slam def
shadow ibex
Also dks this tier ignoring overcappin big time😆
That's why they got rework
minor gust
Can also just do the math on some dummies real quick to see how many stacks = Ms dmg
boreal remnant
ye
minor gust
I don't care enough of that lvl of min max since its so minor so I just always send collateral stacks instead of slam whenever in ST
With how long collateral lasts should be able to hold it for the slam moment always shouldn't need to send it when you can MS/OP
teal fossil
Like you would tune the DPR to be worse but then the value proposition is the GC...
Wasn’t this already true with sos
SOS was worse than MS and was about as efficient as slam?
patent ridge
@wanton sierra normal build 1 point in skullsplitter instead of x2 bloodborne and warlords torment
naive sage
It's just my opinion but I never felt like arms had a button bloat problem
unreal mountain
guys , is their an WA that shows me , how much targets i can cleave?
minor gust
It's just my opinion but I never felt like arms had a button bloat problem
I didnt either maybe like 1 too many when IP was a thing but overall last thing I wanted gone was big WW. It was a common complaint ppl had tho was button bloat
gentle frigate
Are we cooked for the upcoming expan? Or are we thinking we are gonna get some buffs?
minor gust
you mean patch not next expansion midnight right?
nova marsh
It's just my opinion but I never felt like arms had a button bloat problem
Playing 14 and enhance made me Realize this
gentle frigate
Yea patch my bad
minor gust
arms is pretty mid in M+ and mid to lower end for raid currently will hopefully get some buffs here in the next round of tuning
minor gust
do you M+ or raid
gentle frigate
I do both I spam shit hard at the start of each season
dim basalt
dk angle
minor gust
just stick with warrior. As long as the phys comp exists warrior is required. and Raid you can just play fury its doing really well. Same with M+ Mtn thane fury owns
gentle frigate
Really? wtf I saw that fury is shit right now
minor gust
well maybe not really well in raid but much better than arms
Mtn thane tier change and meat cleaver buff makes it pretty competitive with colossus arms also has great ST
latent moss
arms awful st*
arms has awful st period
colo isnt far behind
its not cause of colo
dim basalt
minor gust
latent moss
charred brook
Everybody says arms col st is awful (number wise I agree) but I definitely find myself sometimes on the top or close 2nd on ST fights in keys
minor gust
Everybody says arms col st is awful (number wise I agree) but I definitely find ...
it will always be hard to find definitive answers on these things as ptr keys a ptr keys people are bad or they dont know the class or playing 0 UI
minor gust
oh this season yeah Col ST wasnt that bad was much better than S1
tender ermine
Ive been on a break from wow for a bit, does slayer have any decent m+ abilities or is it looking like colossus again? I'm the kind of idiot who likes seeing all the little mini bladestorms so hoping that playstyle gets reasonably good
jade ember
As it stands Col is definitely much better, altho if you are willing to flex Fury Thane is looking the healthiest. Altho everyone's kinda hoping for more Arms tuning.
minor gust
Will it be better than colossus no but you can very much play slayer in keys and do fine
shadow ibex
My FDK is 665
More converts
When pillar auto casts winter next tier
Man imagine if cs auto cast sweeping
minor gust
oh yeah dude what a solid change
shadow ibex
Remorseless easily my top dmg in pulls
If you maintain it the whole length of a pack it's like breath p much
And uncapped 
fresh spire
Dk gets shot this week
minor gust
zenith warren
what slots we will craft embellishments next patch? cloak and boots taken so wrists and what else
minor gust
belt not hands
zenith warren
oh ye, forgot about belt
shadow ibex
Dk gets shot this week <:copium:839076283467431956>
S3 Fury does what frost does this tier on first floodgate pull
Even if you shoot it we need god
nova marsh
Warr needs an overhaul
Not a rework, an overhaul
Make us the new ret but without the op range 
tacit crystal
Dk gets shot this week <:copium:839076283467431956>
cope
you guys are worried about frost being good but forgot that unholy is barely worse atm
shadow ibex
P much
icy mulch
Are we still doing the 
in here?
minor gust
always
shadow ibex
Frost at worst probably still one of best m+
fresh spire
minor gust
olive nest
shadow ibex
Build soon surely
icy mulch
icy mulch
I already got you my friend.
minor gust
I see you in the trenches
icy mulch
Official forums are indeed the trenches.
fresh spire
I already got you my friend.
🦊
fresh spire
untold trench
Happy birthday
grave mulch
Happy birthday
❤️ ty
shadow ibex
Hit em with the birthday let down
naive sage
ripe igloo
Is it confirmed that fury is currently looking better then arms in m+ next season?
minor gust
for the time being yeah but can change anytime
wouldnt put to much thought into it right now
wide pebble
671 pacemaker vs 684 Lock-n-Stalk for mugzee??
Lock it in
balmy kindle
Fuck another Thane season 
sour forge
Another?
sour forge
Thane had half a season in s1
shadow ibex
no matter whats good we lose
rare kite
??
sour forge
Arms was unplayable in S1 past 12-13
Cap. But even so. Thane wasn’t good last season
balmy kindle
The issue is that in S1 one had to play Thane because the other choices were so bad
rare kite
That's just not true. Colossus saw play
sour forge
The issue is that in S1 one had to play Thane because the other choices were so ...
S2 you had to play colossus then
balmy kindle
I quitted once I got around 637 so unless there was borrowed power I am pretty sure most people played fury to prog keys on S1
balmy kindle
S2 you had to play colossus then
Yeah because fuck 5T hard cap
rare kite
Someone that is not on phone can check raiderio for last season. Phone raiderio sucks
shadow ibex
Arms was unplayable in S1 past 12-13
fury just strictly worse than arms for most of expac in m+
balmy kindle
Pretty sure in S1 it was a struggle to get in weekly 10s on arms lol even when near max 
random ibex
does WCL not count add damage on mugzee?
sour forge
Pretty sure in S1 it was a struggle to get in weekly 10s on arms lol even when n...
Lfg isn’t an indication of something being bad
arctic iris
does WCL not count add damage on mugzee?
random ibex
Rip
balmy kindle
Lfg isn’t an indication of something being bad
I would argue pug experience is super important, it's why we have autists playing boomkin while being bottom dps
sour forge
I would argue pug experience is super important, it's why we have autists playin...
If you’re not a spec that’s broken you don’t get invited. It doesn’t mean the rest of the specs are incapable
balmy kindle
I am blessed to have a push group this season but in S1 it was 90% pug and boy being in arms spec meant getting declined
sour forge
I am blessed to have a push group this season but in S1 it was 90% pug and boy b...
As did all non meta
balmy kindle
Fury was not even that good but It doesn't matter
Thing is fury was not even that "meta" 
sour forge
Fury wasn’t getting invites either
balmy kindle
Maybe on higher keys but I was able to pug to 12s
sour forge
Then you got lucky as fury and not on arms
balmy kindle
Granted, S1 had no borrowed power so that skews things
sour forge
This is just anecdotal unless you got a spreadsheet of a bunch of data points
balmy kindle
Well TBF nobody cares about spreadsheets , I will just vote with my wallet
Season bad = unsub and play other games
sour forge
Warrior is in a comp that matches highest completed key this season btw
spring ruin
EH worst part is how stale the meta going to be given nearly all same spec/class going to be in that meta again
Vengeance again, disc again. DK again but frost this time, all three mage specs apparntly and a wild card
balmy kindle
^^
ancient hollow
Probably WW for mystic touch?
balmy kindle
It's back to 5% now and unless WW has insane numbers I don't see it being really good
spring ruin
At least something like season 4 shadowlands had survival hunter as a contender throwing wildfire bombs all over screen
ancient hollow
It's back to 5% now and unless WW has insane numbers I don't see it being really...
ah it got reverted then
hallow turtle
Hey, which is looking better for raiding in S3 Arms or Fury?
Also, does arms and fury play somewhat similiar to S1 TWW?
ancient hollow
I might go warrior for s3 even though it doesn't look too hot atm in terms of meta, but i find the gameplay loop enjoyable
shadow ibex
col needs st big bad
spring ruin
I def like how thane feels , just miss odyns and the higher cap, col is cool but sooo much set up and its annoying in pugs
sour forge
Thane next season is a little less hindered by target cap
hallow turtle
Are they playing simailar to season S1?
sour forge
No
spring ruin
They pretty much gave up on slayer tho right?
hallow turtle
is live a different gameplay than s3?
sour forge
No. Slayer is good for raid
spring ruin
ok coo
sour forge
is live a different gameplay than s3?
Yes
shadow ibex
keep ms op and cleave on cooldown
hallow turtle
is that S3?
Is there any misalignment in CDs?
I really dont want to haev to juggle CDs or hold to align things
sour forge
Thought 80% buff was still enough to take sks my b
minor gust
you will def be taking SKS still even after nerfs
sour forge
aren’t bleeds still like 15% overall
minor gust
more
shadow ibex
is that including TR?
minor gust
bleeds are 24% of your dmg still your taking SKS
thick kelp
or will you
slow saddle
Well if they buff cleave or ms that number will change?
shadow ibex
bleeds are 24% of your dmg still your taking SKS
i havent seen anyone keep up full uptime in aoe pulls on ptr footage tbh
minor gust
things can change of course but right now bleeds own
fossil thistle
Please no sks
floral ledge
Guys with all other class nerfs arms is still ok/good no
tacit crystal
too soon to know buddy
m+ meta isnt established until 3-6 weeks in
raid tuning will happen
balmy kindle
m+ meta isnt established until 3-6 weeks in
Not getting my hopes up but
slow saddle
Please no sks
Sks in m+ settinn is fine, not like we gonna play sks in raid
thick kelp
Main difference is the hero talent, not the environment of play
Slayer wont pick SkS but Colossus will
So if colossus is raid meta then you play sks in raid too
slow saddle
Ofc, but that would require a biig col buff that wont help slayer
tacit crystal
youll already play colo on dh boss
thick kelp
Wouldnt require that big of a buff, Colossus isnt far behind Slayer in ST at all
And colossus has multiple ST only tuning knobs in its hero tree to buff it separated from Slayer
slow saddle
Well how much behind
thick kelp
100k or so
thick kelp
when we are doing 5million ST dps in sims, 100k is a small number
tacit crystal
no way thane is better on dh boss
thick kelp
Wouldnt be suprised
thick kelp
Also a buff to MS would massively benefit Colossus more than Slayer since in s3 Colossus will finally be playing battlelord
slow saddle
Ok😆, well i prayed for col to be bis raid spec
Obviously i prayed for it ro be on par with fury😅
slow saddle
when we are doing 5million ST dps in sims, 100k is a small number
Does that mean, that beforw the 20% bleed nerf they were even closer?
spare steppe
Father warrior dev please let me be arms
balmy kindle
Arms buffs where🩶🤎
Suffering is the game
balmy kindle
Only 1M , not sure if I should be optimistic
I just don't wanna play fury FFS pls 🙏
astral yarrow
Imagine getting to be the top spec <:sadge:820202363359854633>
reserved for mostly mages and warlocks 👍
spare steppe
astral yarrow
Only 1M <:copium:839076283467431956> , not sure if I should be optimistic
lets call it 1m behind 🙂
do not try to find warlock sims
daring heron
do not try to find warlock sims
7.2m for warlocks was it
quaint otter
Oversim.
daring heron
sounds like they need more "warlock sucks" videos, gotta pump those numbers up
astral yarrow
7.2m for warlocks was it
Yuh. I linked it in guild discord and tagged our warlocks to explain xd
Splatlack just posts a picture of a guy in a demon outfit and Dahl goes "we need to be tuned like that cause we dont have raidbuffs, while warriors obviously do 
"
astral yarrow
daring heron
bruh
thick kelp
They aint raidbuffs afterall
thick kelp
Yep
astral yarrow
locks are getting closer to the boomkin hate i have
daring heron
meanwhile i post a video showing fury keeping up / slightly behind top specs in m+, titled "fury is pretty good"
astral yarrow
Naïvecake
daring heron
maybe we're too honest
astral yarrow
i dont think the transparency necessarily is helping us, but i also think going the Azor way is cringe as fk
fresh spire
We showed nothing compared to last tier in dps
astral yarrow
idk how public warlocks are with their stuff
thick kelp
i dont think the transparency necessarily is helping us, but i also think going ...
Lets create a private discord and then publicly tell that we are doing extremely bad with an extremely weak tierset. just like how warlocks do
daring heron
Revive the ASS discord
astral yarrow
new post 👀
thick kelp
Its a gromnak clip..
astral yarrow
thick kelp
🤔
daring heron
holy moly 10.2 content
thick kelp
Theres another secret one too
astral yarrow
and then Krispi, Walhe and Cone started the train which clearly has no brakes
fresh spire
thick kelp
Our brakes are the limits of our class design!
astral yarrow
Our brakes are the limits of our class design!
so top speed is very slow
thick kelp
so top speed is very slow <:ratge:890357732543168594>
...
astral yarrow
💀
astral yarrow
fresh spire
https://tenor.com/view/dog-handshake-eager-gif-4935828
I cant message In the fury channel.
Surely some class tuning today
Just before crit logs in and gets us nerfed again
daring heron
we love getting nerfed
fresh spire
It's all we know
astral yarrow
I cant message In the fury channel.
Fury stinky
zealous flume
dont know current sims relative to other classes, just "how much" is arms underperforming
like, "tuned badly but will go live this way possibly" or "no shot this goes live this way"
icy mulch
we love getting nerfed
icy mulch
https://tenor.com/view/fox-fennec-fennec-fox-nugget-chicken-nugget-gif-686641168...
Le Goob want the nuggy!
Also, for you Krisp!
fresh spire
Jump scare
sacred zodiac
https://tenor.com/view/fox-fennec-fennec-fox-nugget-chicken-nugget-gif-686641168...
@dawn stag Look at this
fresh spire
dawn stag
midnight kraken
hollow plover
@magic canopy vid when
magic canopy
<@110993922691477504> vid when
were up to 9 slides
honestly i just need to record it at this point i just spent all day mount farming
magic canopy
nah its all there just have to actually record it
i have actually just done literally nothing but collectors bounty mount farm between 8 different characters and our mythic raid
grand idol
The only thing I wanted from this event didn't really get a relevant increase (thuderfury bindings). So I didn't do anything during it.
magic canopy
The only thing I wanted from this event didn't really get a relevant increase (t...
have to get both on the same guy still but i was buffed
grand idol
Yea, just not enough for me to bother. I have all the mounts that were bumped that I want and I have everything else on that mog list.
magic canopy
fair enough
grand idol
I rage quite bindings years ago after getting the same binding three times.
lucid thicket
I rage quite bindings years ago after getting the same binding three times.
Skill Issue
Raughs in Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
covert island
there a big difference between colossus and slayer for M+?
spiral coral
there a big difference between colossus and slayer for M+?
Yes
covert island
how big? ik like slayer but if its bad lol
lucid thicket
It's SMF tier
covert island
SMF?
spiral coral
how big? ik like slayer but if its bad lol
Slayer isn’t bad
Col is just miles ahead in aoe
proud iron
checks channel name
covert island
bah i hate having another button but i guess ill get over it
lucid thicket
*checks channel name*
checks give a fuck about stupid comments
spiral coral
*checks give a fuck about stupid comments*
Good morning bud 😂
proud iron
the irony
lucid thicket
Like everyone here?
Pvp chat doesn't, but that's because they all rerolled away from Stockholm Syndrome
dim basalt
lucid thicket
SMF Thane is literally a meme in pvp chat
quaint otter
With daggers?
lucid thicket
With daggers?
Can you Stormstrike with daggers?
quaint otter
🤔
fossil thistle
Sks in m+ settinn is fine, not like we gonna play sks in raid
Thank lord
onyx rapids
guys do we need to go back to fury... i just got the hang of arms damn it
arms better than fury in 11.2?
or vice versa?
spare steppe
They should make arms focus on crit mastery and haste be dogshit
Would love huge fat hits
Slow pace 😍
void bay
Would love huge fat hits
Did you misspell the last word?
spare steppe
😂
fresh spire
spiral coral
guys do we need to go back to fury... i just got the hang of arms damn it
At least you can play both effectively and can switch. Both are fun.
slow saddle
Thank lord
Unless col beats slayer🤣
spiral coral
I’m pretty bored of col I’ll admit
lucid thicket
guys do we need to go back to fury... i just got the hang of arms damn it
No, because you play Prot or reroll
slow saddle
Its same?exept u can leap and hit somethin no?
thick kelp
it doesnt stop casting if your target leaves your range until its like 50 yard away
slow saddle
But hits 5 yards in front of ya current position
slow saddle
Oh its a great changee
Also means if u get boss.mechanic mid cast u can leap to new spot
grand idol
The pvp clips of warriors starting demo on one player and leaping it to another.
earnest frost
havent played arms in a while when is it worth to spend all rage on execute?
fossil thistle
When you can press it
earnest frost
When you can press it <:okayge:917646812519739433>
but is it more worth then mortal strike?
fossil thistle
If you read the guide you can see the execute priority rotation
fossil thistle
but is it more worth then mortal strike?
spare steppe
fresh spire
OK sir. Nerf warrior. Got it.
minor gust
spiral coral
havent played arms in a while when is it worth to spend all rage on execute?
It’s… not “when you can press it” lol.
For Col it replaces slam as filler when the target is under I believe 35%, so basically never. As slayer you want to get the WA for conditionals to press Execute.
jade ember
Still waiting for the tuning post
lucid thicket
Still waiting for the tuning post <:critcake:984549832511344640>
Class Changes
• Woyer
• Arm
• No changes
dim basalt
fresh spire
Copium
swift crown
"Fury will get nerfed"
> Fury gets nerfed
> You can finally play Arms, rejoice
> You end up being benched instead of playing Arms
Legs Warrior
icy mulch
OK sir. Nerf warrior. Got it.
fresh spire
Fury nerfed. Both not taking to race as prot op
mortal rivet
Fury nerfed. Both not taking to race as prot op
But won’t bdk be taken for their raid buff
gaunt owl
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1154405608422903919/1392616330842210345/i...
It's because there is nothing wrong with it
minor gust
Surely notes today
olive nest
I can’t wait to read all the other classes spec changes
Wall of text for mage again surely
sour forge
I’m rooting for you arms mains
steel elk
Do we have a BIS list for next patch? I can't find it.
heady marlin
do we stance dance still in mop classic?
fossil thistle
fossil thistle
It’s… not “when you can press it” lol.
For Col it replaces slam as filler when...
“Spend all rage on execute” is a bit indicative of execute phase 🤷♂️
That’s why I posted the Wowhead guide 👍 it answers what ya need
sour forge
Do we have a BIS list for next patch? I can't find it.
Tuning isn’t done yet. Also bis lists aren’t really relevant until end of season
olive nest
Surely notes any minute now
shadow ibex
shadow ibex
just you would think thats something they would get right
especially sicne happened to arms a lot in s1
eating nerfs cuz fury slayer
sour forge
Definitely one of the negatives of having a shared hero tree
olive nest
Bro warrior is after thought
We have known this for a while
We get iterated on during the last 1-2 hours of the day, ya know when everybody is in fuck it mode
icy mulch
spiral coral
YOU’RE GONNA PLAY FURY AND YOU’RE GONNA LIKE IT
ornate oxide
Hey do we use slam?
hollow plover
Hey do we use slam?
you have the choice of using slam as filler or going afk
slam is better than going afk
tacit crystal
li believ you
sour forge
YOU’RE GONNA PLAY FURY AND YOU’RE GONNA LIKE IT
Wasn’t that arms this tier
tacit crystal
i rend always
icy mulch
kronzo how is the goth gf
Today's goth girl is so much different when I was a goth kid in high school.
minor gust
Wasn’t that arms this tier <:keks:936231610850897992>
Nah you could very much prog on either arms or fory this tier if u wanted. Unless In a HOF guild. Stix was only boss the felt mandatory fury prog and same with Rik if you did him first or second week
icy mulch
We would listen to Type O Negative, watch vampire and horror movies, (as well as be nerds), while just wearing black. These days it's techno and raves.
void bay
We would listen to Type O Negative, watch vampire and horror movies, (as well as...
Did you go to anime club
outer holly
We had emos, which were ig goth kids who liked pink?
icy mulch
Those weren't a thing when I was in High School. We had bootleg VHS or late night teletoon DBZ.
bleak dawn
hollow plover
Today's goth girl is so much different when I was a goth kid in high school.
it is different indeed
void bay
I didnt have goths in high school
not that i noticed anyway
but you had to wear a school uniform like in harry potter
is this a goth?
untold trench
That is emo
void bay
ah
forest dove
Have there been any arms updates at all in the last few days? Been playing so much of it in the last month or so and I’d really love to be able to main it for s3 haha
But my guild is in that spot of “killed 4/8 this tier and want to seriously push for possible CE next tier” so I don’t want to make any decisions that actively gimp us
hollow plover
But fury was better at 6 out of 8?
depends, rly
depends on when you checked
cuz OAB was arms dominated until it thane took over
for example
dim basalt
But my guild is in that spot of “killed 4/8 this tier and want to seriously push...
Your choice will not hold your guild back
You dont have to optimize at all to get CE
hollow plover
^
teal fossil
Especially if turbo boost is gonna be a thing again
rigid ravine
Your weakest players will always be the one holding your guild back
Have like 4+ stinkers in your raid group then it's just infinitely harder
dim basalt
^^^^
forest dove
Cooool cool cool, I figured! As a guild that just like… would like to get CE, I figured as much, but I guess I wanted to hear it
rare kite
Especially if turbo boost is gonna be a thing again
pls no(it likely will be)
but pls no
slow saddle
I mean what ever helps bad guilds get kills
We needed the ilvl just to get oab
Like its sad but true
rare kite
just nerf the bosses instead. having to "gear" mid season is ass
slow saddle
Hmm, but it felt more empowering
dim basalt
I liked boost a lot more tbh
slow saddle
And less as a looser
rare kite
very happy i don't push keys as turbo boost would invalidate all progress
slow saddle
U keep pushin though?
rare kite
you do, but the keys you did before were kinda pointless
dim basalt
Does it invalidate progress tho? I mean youre only gonna push cutting edge with a group anyway
And for the pugs its gonna be +1 key level at most
rare kite
Does it invalidate progress tho? I mean youre only gonna push cutting edge with ...
for keys it does
rare kite
it did
forest dove
Like the intention with turbo boost seems wholesome (but a little handholdy…) like “you grinded all season and tried to farm specific pieces, here’s an opportunity to fill some gaps where maybe you didn’t have good luck”
slow saddle
No?
forest dove
But part of what makes those sought after drops special is the fact that it does come down to effort and a bit of luck
dim basalt
The BLP is 10/10 tho
slow saddle
Its ya guild suck heres some free ilvl for dmg
rare kite
i like feeling "done" with gearing at some point in a season and turbo boost pushed that further away. the dinars are fine, i just hate the extra ilvl "grind"
slow saddle
I loved it😁
forest dove
Ehhhh, I mean that late in the season everyone’s basically max geared… so giving someone’s BIS trinket or BIS weapon is an upgrade, but also not like completely game changing for a raid group
I have to imagine the intention was mostly dopamine
rare kite
giving someone the blp is not the thing i am against
i am against the extra added ilvl on gear
slow saddle
I just hope our bis item is earlier so i can buy it
daring heron
turbo boost was an L
untold trench
I enjoyed it well enough, the ilvl bump gave me a second wind to do some keys at a higher level. Getting access to some raid loot also helped just getting some builds going. Not only for my main, but also my alts. The extra cheeze did work on this rat
untold trench
Dont worry, I am 100% certain someone will manage to carry your weight for the whole 6 hours of gameplay that ilvl would "matter"
nova marsh
reef hornet
Question for the Sudden Death weakaura. Do I really only use Execute when the weakaura tells me to? Not even when I get a sudden death proc right after pull?
nova marsh
Im only 10 ilvls behind lmao
minor gust
turbo boost was an L
Why L is it because turbo boost on top of the raid buff made raid too easy?
nova marsh
Turbo boost forced me to login after getting full bis and max ilvl
The real L
Also how's the belt looking for next season?
Still like shit?
thick kelp
Also how's the belt looking for next season?
Gets replaced eventually
nova marsh
And by eventually is it at mythic lvl
minor gust
Shitttt All I had to do was like five mythic plus dungeons and then I was fully upgraded because I used all the shitter crests and turned them into gilded
thick kelp
And by eventually is it at mythic lvl
Yeah
nova marsh
Cringe
thick kelp
In bis gear you are using a crafted belt with duskthread
thick kelp
idk if I wanna craft belt first with mythic crest
minor gust
Unless your lucky it's most likely a wep with ascension angle again
shadow ibex
Notes any moment
minor gust
Nah last minute before they get off work sooo in 4 hours
spiral coral
turbo boost was an L
Not really, people like me on time restrictions but want to level up other toons fast while still being able to prog their main and main alts was awesome. I was able to level every class and have warbound gear waiting for it in the bank from other quickly leveled alts. Was great.
I thought the whole point of it was to give the mains a little bit of a boost but if you were bored you could go level stuff super fast along with time walking/visions and slew of leveling stuff to do
Then cap it off to go farm stuff in wait of the next season, idk I thought it was done ok.
gilded kraken
that would be fine and all if they didnt make you need 5 quintillion crests for every alt
which goes completely against the point of an alt friendly system
rare kite
Not really, people like me on time restrictions but want to level up other toons...
i think you're too focused on the dinar part of the turbo boost which no one is really arguing against. what people have an issue with is the ilvl increase
gilded kraken
even dinars had pretty big issues
the requirement from m+ myth trinkets being 12s while for raid being full mythic clears is fuckin kek
that and no mechagon staff in vendor was funny, fuck arc mage
wanton pumice
are you saying the bar was too low for m+ items from 12s or too out of reach for myth raid bosses
olive nest
Well yeah can’t have caster mythic plusrs get a fat weapon for free and everybody else requires mythic raid
gilded kraken
unironically both
non raiders got fucked in the ass while non m+ers get their shit basically for free unless someone still wants to pretend any key below like 16s isnt borderline tutorial
olive nest
You really think most people in wow can do a 16?
reef glade
😭
wanton pumice
I mean, non raiders wouldn't have normally gotten raid items regardless
gilded kraken
no, just like most people cant get ce
but if you want myth items
either everyone works for it or no one does
minor gust
that would be fine and all if they didnt make you need 5 quintillion crests for ...
yeah idk why they cant just make crests transferable hell ill take a tax cut to it too once they uncap them
gilded kraken
only 1 qol update at a time remember
minor gust
I wanna gear an alt should be as easy as bam grab my warbound gear transfer valor and crests and start slammin upgrades
rare kite
I wanna gear an alt should be as easy as bam grab my warbound gear transfer valo...
nah nah, clearly you want to grind a shit ton of m+
🙂
tacit crystal
i do
olive nest
I view the dinars as an easy mode handout to begin with, so why have the annoyance of requiring myth difficulty? Just let everybody get their cool items so what. HoF is closed and anybody going for title a few gear handouts will make zero difference
minor gust
yeah clearly I wanna spam end of season 7s and 10s when most of the ppl in that bracket are all really bad
tacit crystal
yeah clearly I wanna spam end of season 7s and 10s when most of the ppl in that ...
people in 19s are all really bad
minor gust
I love being the only human pressing my buttons doing dmg while the tank pulls 1 pack at a time
tacit crystal
theres no difference
gilded kraken
I view the dinars as an easy mode handout to begin with, so why have the annoyan...
i dont disagree but i was mostly responding to the whole "the problem were crests and dinars were fine" thing someone said because dinars absolutely were not fine
minor gust
people in 19s are all really bad
well yeah cuz NA but you know what im talking about
olive nest
i dont disagree but i was mostly responding to the whole "the problem were crest...
The only counter argument is the fact that it would be odd for people to have a mythic capital punisher while progressing mythic gallywix, I recognize that odd scenario.
gilded kraken
it would but it'd be fair at least
not that fairness matters but it just feels like shit
olive nest
I’d rather it be everybody gets their candy easily or just don’t do them at all
gilded kraken
agreedge
tacit crystal
mutou
rare kite
i dont disagree but i was mostly responding to the whole "the problem were crest...
in comparison dinars were absolutely fine. not that dinars didn't have problems but maaan is the turbo boost aids
tacit crystal
listen to the song im listening to
gilded kraken
also agreedge
getting punched in the face is aids but getting punched in the balls is turbo aids
type shit
rare kite
listen to the song im listening to
listened to it before. Your name owns
rare kite
yes, i have listened to it before. big good song
tacit crystal
theres a part
olive nest
I enjoyed the excuse to log in and grind dungeons for a week, but being a person who enjoys parse chasing the turbo boost was rather annoying yeah
minor gust
I’d rather it be everybody gets their candy easily or just don’t do them at all
I said this before but I think theres nothing wrong with rewarding people who take the time and effort to do the raid on mythic
gilded kraken
I said this before but I think theres nothing wrong with rewarding people who ta...
that's not the point though
the point is raiders got it all while m+ers got half of it
wanton pumice
i cant tell if its rage bait at this point
minor gust
well if you dont raid you would of never have gotten it anyways
olive nest
Discussing varying viewpoints doesn’t automatically equate to “rage bait”
gilded kraken
yeah thats obvious but like
it still doesnt change what i said
the diff requirement for unlocking myth track items is so wildly different its completely unfair
olive nest
the point is raiders got it all while m+ers got half of it
Really blizzard wants you to raid it’s that simple
sour forge
I do wish key population had access to myth track a little more
minor gust
I get the frustration M+ needs some help with gear progression, It was disgusting that the dinars were gonna intially launch with no M+ items at all
gilded kraken
ok then change mythic lockout so it doesnt force me into finding a guild and committing to a schedule!
olive nest
They would kill mythic raiding if they enabled farmable myth track from M+
That’s why it will never happen
I’d be shocked
minor gust
im not talking about farmable myth loot
sour forge
They would kill mythic raiding if they enabled farmable myth track from M+
Not farmable but at least potential to get a 2nd piece or something
minor gust
just better loot targeting earlier and permanent
olive nest
People like to pretend like they do mythic raiding for the experience but let’s be realistic with ourselves, nobody’s dealing with that shit if it doesn’t give superior loot. It’s nothing but a hassle for your typical gamer
minor gust
ok then change mythic lockout so it doesnt force me into finding a guild and com...
also something every wow player but blizz agrees on
Mythic lockout system has been awful for the game for almost a decade
sour forge
Like crafted items should be able to be catalyst
olive nest
That being said yes there are outliers, like myself I don’t mind the hassle because I like raiding
gilded kraken
People like to pretend like they do mythic raiding for the experience but let’s ...
but disagreede
or else no one would push keys ever
theres a sizeable chunk of people who only play for the gear treadmill
but also a sizeable chunk who play for the challenge
olive nest
theres a sizeable chunk of people who only play for the gear treadmill
That’s what I’m getting at