So? Requires sd procs galore
#arms
calm hollow
new set
slow saddle
How much is a maxxed jugger
calm hollow
we have plenty of procs
calm hollow
yea
candid pecan
45% yes
calm hollow
3% 15 stack
slow saddle
Y so 25% is huge nerf
calm hollow
nah, for 65% of the fight, doing 25% more is decent, and u dont have to rely on rng stacks
but i would take more
calm hollow
i would say that would be too much
slow saddle
Noway. Its a 10% loss
calm hollow
since jugger is a damage amp, and you get 35% without drawback or buildup
no way that wouldnt be op
slow saddle
In the 35% part where we have 80% of our exe clicks??
minor gust
25% is a good number for perma uptime
calm hollow
35% is getting nerfed after 2 weeks number
minor gust
35% would be too much
theres a talent that would replace jugg
that u have to consider
minor gust
sad but true
minor gust
if they did it once they will do it again
slow saddle
But slayer arms without juggernaut...
minor gust
disgusting dev behavior tbh
calm hollow
i would do anything, to send exe procs when they happen, without managing stacks
minor gust
here we cant do our job and come up with something so were gonna split this talent in half to replace improved slam
shadow ibex
here we cant do our job and come up with something so were gonna split this tale...
SPITEFUL SERENITY
HERE'S THIS TALENT SO I CAN KEEP MY JOB
straight up 0 apperance on ptr
we woke up one day and it existed
minor gust
I rather get anothert spiteful serenity than a current existing talent get cut in half
minor gust
id take that trade any day
slow saddle
Hear me out warrior have weak cds
Lets cut em in half
And make em last longer
Or am which does the same?
But no downside
shadow ibex
Or am which does the same?
gotta read war talents to know this
warbringer devs
dont know war talents
slow saddle
Truuue
shadow ibex
slow saddle
At least cs // wb makes senwe
shadow ibex
choose between 2 talents that do the same thing
the fact its been this way this long
its emberassing
its literally the same thing
minor gust
gotta hit em with the great
shadow ibex
idk how they havent been laughed at in an interview
minor gust
is what it is
shadow ibex
just ask ion to explain it
shadow ibex
just unrelated hey man can you explain these two talents
grim oasis
spec on life support, dev doesn't care, tale of majority of specs in the game that arent shaman/paladin/mage/hunter
nah druid is cooked
charred brook
For sure we get tuning late tonight or early tomorrow right
stiff turtle
only because they are fixing the bug
shadow ibex
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icy mulch
At best we get massive aura buffs, a tweak to two or three talents before patch launch.
Worst case, nothing or a minor aura buff.
My guess is the nothing option.
grim oasis
candid pecan
whenever we get new dev notes, I always scroll slowly... to delay the disappointment
normal mason
Itās weird how warrior is one of the highest playerbase percentage but doesnāt get much attention
minor gust
because like it or hate it warrior has a good functional gameplay. I didnt know how cursed Frost dk was until I tryed it
so were low prio
grim oasis
new fdk is great
minor gust
yeah new FDK feels amazing to play
grim oasis
should be the standard for mdps now imo
minor gust
they fixed it perfectly like they did with Havoc DH in 11.1
grim oasis
big chunky buttons, some off-gcd generators, clear concise rotation
minor gust
no longer ignoring half your shit
slow saddle
Fdk deffo is good now. And yes arms rly just need small thing
I my dream col is gone for m+
I heavily dislike the cd after cd things
minor gust
Arms does have a similar problem to FDK they ignored Runic power like we ignore rage
so I hope rage gets another look at for next expansion
should never be the correct option to prio OP over a rage spender when your capped on rage
dreamy sandal
Guys, if I am getting around 400k dps from Mystic touch today, how much would I be getting after the 8% buff?
minor gust
3% more
normal mason
Arms just feels too slow when setting up damage. Like crit just suggested on his stream add skull splitter to colossus smash as a choice node or something so itās less setup
minor gust
your welcome
minor gust
Arms just feels too slow when setting up damage. Like crit just suggested on his...
theres a lot of different directions they can go to help this problem hope they do something about it because thats a pretty common complaint
I dislike it as well
minor gust
my favorite is just hava avatar give 10 stacks of CM
so you no longer have that need to build stacks for your first demolish
minor gust
huh?
icy mulch
The "big" buffs we got at the start of s2.
teal fossil
bro literally asked a middle school math question its crazy
minor gust
I dont think you know whats going on
teal fossil
Arms just feels too slow when setting up damage. Like crit just suggested on his...
i rather have 10% aura buff as a choice node
steep osprey
i rather have 10% aura buff as a choice node
Imagine voting on what ability gets buffed
I vote rampage for 20% buff
instead of Raging Blow
normal mason
i rather have 10% aura buff as a choice node
If I had my way fury wouldnāt be garbage in m+ and not hard capped
icy mulch
I dont think you know whats going on
I was talking about this:
#arms message
minor gust
yeah IK what does that have to do with S1
icy mulch
Those buffs where not enough to make up for what happened in S1.
teal fossil
isnt S1 nerfs mostly just uncapped AOE stuff
minor gust
yee
basically all nerfs to fury that ended up being minor nerfs for arms
then arms was buffed massively towards the end of S1
thats why arms was pretty good in the later half of S1
teal fossil
ya
well technically
if you wanna get into the knitty gritty
any buff to our ST is a nerf to AOE
because you are balanced for an end results
but thats not what really happened
you could argue that a lot of other classes just outpaced us
mortal crag
minor gust
With FoB talent yes
minor gust
you could argue that a lot of other classes just outpaced us
basically new wow patches in a nutshell some win more than others so lower ones will get big number buffs to keep up
wind flicker
That way u bring tier and collat n
teal fossil
ya
teal fossil
basically new wow patches in a nutshell some win more than others so lower ones ...
and since wow dps is all relative
someone has to be on the short end
just happens more often than not thats warrior
minor gust
yee wow is basically a new game every major patch
teal fossil
i do agree that warrior tuning is very conservative
minor gust
would say for raid were usually tuned pretty well Its rare were ever going into a tier garbage
were like middle of the pack 80% of the time
teal fossil
ya
south cipher
what amount of targets is it worth using cleave?
teal fossil
3
native obsidian
Why do they tune us so carefully and low when we are the coolest RPG archetype
nova marsh
Why do they tune us so carefully and low when we are the coolest RPG archetype
We are?
native obsidian
Every RPG needs a big weapon swinging physical battle fighter
plush smelt
And every RPG needs a semi-frail staff wielding magic caster
native obsidian
Yep
plush smelt
Doesnt make your opinion fact
Theres also multiple big weapon wielding classes in this game
native obsidian
Like if warrior mage or rogue are ever really bad something went wrong
minor gust
Any language other than english is fake and made up
what if you speak American
native obsidian
Those are the classic archetypes people want to play
plush smelt
Like if warrior mage or rogue are ever really bad something went wrong
What about paladin. Paladin is like a magic holy warrior
native obsidian
Yeah Paladin is like a subset of warrior
shadow ibex
paladin and blackguard are pretty common fantasy classes
native obsidian
So it's important but not the absolute classic
plush smelt
I mean if you want strong warrior gameplay relative to the rest of the curve
Go play classic
slow saddle
Not
plush smelt
Idk what else to tell ya
slow saddle
Classic is horrid
native obsidian
Classic is so bad and way too easy
slow saddle
Its. Not about number its gameplay atm
native obsidian
But it did get the strength of warrior right
slow saddle
Nah?
void bay
plush smelt
But it did get the strength of warrior right
Nvm idk why im trying
minor gust
the man just wants to be op what can he say
native obsidian
Like the bwl speed runs with 35 warriors
fading isle
probably i'm not going to play this patch as warrior
plush smelt
Mom always told me not to engage with the monkeys at the zoo
fading isle
like s3 df
plush smelt
Shouldve listened
fading isle
i'm so bored of this shittttttttttt
slow saddle
the man just wants to be op what can he say
Ye i want a better rotation free of juggernaugthy
shadow ibex
the man just wants to be op what can he say
fading isle
not a single buff since the 20% MS or something
fading isle
probably that
slow saddle
We need roar out, juggernaughty out
native obsidian
It's way more important for a warrior to feel good and strong in a game rather than some made up thing like evoker
Warrior, mage, rogue, this is the dps conceptual foundation
slow saddle
Are u a bit high?š¤£š
native obsidian
Then the other things are offshoots like, what if a warrior used holy power, or what if a mage used shadow magic
What if a rogue was a cat
jade ember
Nah warriors are just paladins who forgot how to heal
unkempt wren
Paladins are just cowardly warriors that need magic to feel powerful
jade ember
Bro why so negative, Paladins are Priests who decided to hit the gym, it's a glowup if anything
steep osprey
^
unkempt wren
Hm, if that's the order of operation, paladins are forgiven. I accept them as they are now
jade ember
It's actually lore-accurate when they established the Silver Hand they were all like "we need priests with a little oomf" and took some priests from the first war and trained the up to have martial prowess as well
unkempt wren
Pretty neat, never been huge on the pre-wow warcraft lore. Warpriest/paladin/cleric stuff does tend to be pretty interesting in rpg writing though
Actually had fun doing warrior priest when Warhammer online was a thing. Fairly pally similar
jade ember
Yea the original Death Knights in Warcraft lore were pretty cool too, before they were just champions that Arthas raised. They were originally the souls of dead Orc warlocks that Gul'dan put into the bodies of dead Stormwind knights. That's what Teron Gorefiend from Black Temple was (and why Teron'gor was just an Orc warlock in WoD, hadn't become the DK yet).
shadow ibex
ptr build surely
shadow ibex
safe dagger
what's the discord for mop?
spiral coral
Thereās Fight Club for Warrior Classic
safe dagger
ty
spiral coral
Idk about classic discs tbh
shadow ibex
Canāt wait to read all the warrior notes tomorrow!
there's your notes
stable fiber
Damn they nerfed colossus again
shadow ibex
set nerfs
dreamy sandal
candid pecan
its fine... I can raidlog I guess
shadow ibex
candid pecan
????
grim oasis
shadow ibex
no
timber heron
maybe perhaps
karmic reef
olive nest
candid pecan
no we're not dead... its just annoying
holy fuck... its as if they want us to reroll
candid pecan
there may be a potential they buff bleeds themselves
was just thinking that.. but idk anymore
fresh spire
we haven't had actual tuning yet where we usually do very late into cycles
shadow ibex
keep looking for any logic
candid pecan
there may be a potential they buff bleeds themselves
yeah well not picking any capstones for ROAR in raid build is not a great design
fresh spire
you take them in colossus 
shadow ibex
yeah well not picking any capstones for ROAR in raid build is not a great design
does less overall than sidearm for fury
fresh spire
just cruel strikes really good for slayer
shadow ibex
fresh spire
we might still see tuning this week
shadow ibex
fresh spire
as tuning can be done with hotfixes
karmic reef
olive nest
Surely they buff our damaging abilities
fresh spire
its also a monday, we got the whole week to cope
dreamy sandal
Surely we get additional buffs later in the week like wlock and rogue got last week 
pastel stag
What should I play instead of warrior?
olive nest
Warrior
shadow ibex
fdk is gonna be good
pastel stag
a different game
I could replay Elden ring š¤
regal dragon
Donāt be a fotm nerd
already swapped to mage
regal dragon
Short and stubby swap to wizard specs
arcane go brrrrr
rare kite
you know earlier when i was memeing about 3% aura buff? well i wish it was that now. tho happy about the thane tier change
fresh spire
doesnt seem like the bleed nerf was as big as i thought
rare kite
hilarious, arms catching strays literally the entire expansion
regal dragon
hilarious, arms catching strays literally the entire expansion
warrior since after vanilla
fresh spire
With Wahle 2x BB tech 1vMany was equal to bleeds
ancient scroll
minor gust
really just more tier set changes
minor gust
they must be really behind if their still just doing tier tuning right now
fresh spire
ITEMS
Valorstones are no longer reset upon the start of a new season.
we might have got shot
but this some goated shit
shadow ibex
they must be really behind if their still just doing tier tuning right now
idt they even know how warrior is
acually waiting for the week between s2 and s3 to see how we are
fresh spire
my concern is that the set bonus was bugged for colossus
shadow ibex
and tune around that
fresh spire
and they tuned it while being bugged, ofc we know tier is still insane strong
shadow ibex
and they tuned it while being bugged, ofc we know tier is still insane strong
you would hope they would know its bugged
minor gust
Thane fury got a W atleast
shadow ibex
i mean the fact thats even a fear
minor gust
big tier change
shadow ibex
is more a critique on them
if yo uare worried they they are tuning it using bug numbers
i mean we're just really fucked then lol
cuz you can just log in press demo and find that out would take like 3 minutes
minor gust
nuts no
fresh spire
waiting to log in to test if tiers nerfed
minor gust
but much better yee
fresh spire
fixed*
latent moss
thane going to be nuts surely in keys
JA CLAPPA 
minor gust
it was prob close with MS cuz rage spend = better BS timing
fresh spire
and opportunist made it slap
you press execute alot more in aoe for slayer now
insane cdr value for bs
fresh spire
dont need to imagine
minor gust
you press execute alot more in aoe for slayer now
how so?
unreal mountain
thats it, im gonna reroll after 10 years, i cant stand this anymore
minor gust
later
fresh spire
additional procs from 2p, execute damage on tier makes it pretty solid
CDR/MFE goes hard
minor gust
even in aoe?
olive nest
Blizz dev seen you pre stacking so they couldnāt give us buffs to compensate for that behavior
spiral coral
Fury gonna be good in m+?
minor gust
better than it was
sudden fox
Target cap so
drifting heart
<@404826388701380608> Where my buffs at bro
As a Tekken streamer once said, they are smoking the OG bomb grand master season 3 kush at the blizzard police department and it is FIRE
sudden fox
How tf did BM hunter catch a buff lmao
rare kite
As a Tekken streamer once said, they are smoking the OG bomb grand master season...
i know this is offtopic but man fahkumram in tekken 8 is amazing to play
vast helm
QUIT FOR SURE
rare kite
How tf did BM hunter catch a buff lmao
don't think they did. this is a massive tiernerf
hexed snow
How tf did BM hunter catch a buff lmao
All damage dealt reduced by 3% aswell
fresh spire
nerfed 2 talents in bm, shot the tier some more and then buffed the hero tree they didnt use right?
spiral coral
they donāt seem too phased lol
drifting heart
i know this is offtopic but man fahkumram in tekken 8 is amazing to play
still waiting for Miguel release bro, didnt play since end of season 1
rare kite
idk if you're gonna get your wish. not many miguel players out there
floral ledge
WTFF IS HAPENNING WITH BLIZZARD
rare kite
it's a nerf meant for prot and arms is catching a stray
sour forge
Target cap so
TB is soft capped so it helps a bit more in that department
unreal mountain
i want to push harder next season, im gona reroll, i heared Frost DK is insane right now?
sour forge
i want to push harder next season, im gona reroll, i heared Frost DK is insane r...
Still a bit early. Iād be surprised if frost doesnāt get bit
unreal mountain
well ok thats true but still, warrior will be trash compared to other classes so
sour forge
Not trash just not meta
minor gust
phys comp will most likely continue so warrior will always have a spot
as long as its doing good dmg
which it is
sudden fox
it's a nerf meant for prot and arms is catching a stray
S1 2.0
grave mulch
So like people forget that they do tuning after RWF too . If something is incredibly meta thereās a chance it will be nerfed. Being a meta slave is never the play
grim oasis
The one thing stopping you from playing arms in m+ rn for phys comp is gonna be the degen gameplay and pre-stacking
bshout is too good and it's not like arms does tank damage
unreal mountain
i don mind about being invited but the class designe is horrible. I play 19/20 keys and it feels terrible to play as arms. 50% Talents are useless, Fury still got Single Minded Talents, like why?
and then, we literally are the weakes DPS specc with AUG
i watched the highest Rio players trying out warrior today on PTR and they allways felt like a noodle compare to others
unreal mountain
we also deal no damage in Season 2 compare to other class, its just Statistics
i know
thats how it is and thats why i want to reroll and asked for a good Pug Class
wicked badger
Thats not true
grim oasis
Your gonna reroll a lot then
minor gust
your not gonna get an answer to that for awhile
grim oasis
Chasing the meta gets exhausting
minor gust
literally any can change at anytime
grim oasis
Afk until week 12 then decide
wicked badger
least of my conceren is the game
unreal mountain
@grim oasis thats true.. i play Warrior for like 5 Years now but at some Point you need to try out some new stuff š
hexed saddle
we also deal no damage in Season 2 compare to other class, its just Statistics
just play mage
vast helm
What data did they use to compare with M+ in the PTR raid test?
wicked badger
like terrisorisim or cybe electronic warefare?
grim oasis
genuinely if you want a class that is almost always meta, it's druid and mage
wicked badger
SPeaking of Meta whatever happend to those quests? HTML got em?
hexed saddle
what are u talking about man
naive sage
It's slayer time
wicked badger
not just yet
vast helm
we dont want to be Meta, just give us something that we can compare to others.
vast helm
to have some fun as a warrior , so much pain right now
blissful tinsel
So glad I came back from a break since SL to the same shit
wicked badger
to document
shadow ibex
to have some fun as a warrior , so much pain right now
me when i get to press 7 buttons to set up aoe dam
wicked badger
cringe at most
vast helm
Playing a game should be fun, not always filled with disappointment and pain.
blissful tinsel
me when i get to press 7 buttons to set up aoe dam
Legit I came back and couldnāt believe how many things I needed to do to do any dam
wicked badger
Legit I came back and couldnāt believe how many things I needed to do to do any ...
U ever watched DDL There willl be Blood ?
š
blissful tinsel
Negative
rare kite
Weird they nerfed arms
they nerfed it coz of prot. arms was just collateral damage(hah get it)
wicked badger
Amazing movies
open ingot
Unlucky
shadow ibex
coming back from SL to this gotta be worst luck chief
unreal halo
guys
i have a real question
why the fuck are they nerfing warrior set, like what did they see on ptr or testing to decide nerfing AGAIN the set? were the numbers crazy or what
jade ember
I blame Critcake for streaming earler tbh. He was topping dam in a PTR key when the servers went down.
unreal halo
its a prot nerf
just forgot we dont exist mb
jade ember
I mean Arms has been catching strays all xpac lol
One of the downsides of hero talents that I was hoping wouldn't be that bad because it's such an obvious problem that I figured they'd at least try to work around it
steep osprey
I wouldnāt worry about this much because thereās easy ways to just tune our aoe abilities
Irregardless of the set
plucky mortar
I wouldnāt worry about this much because thereās easy ways to just tune our aoe ...
tunes down aoe dmg 1 week before live
latent moss
don't think they did. this is a massive tiernerf
@strange perch MONGOOSE BITE ANGLE?????
covert drift
ngl each tuning coming with only nerfs feels such a kick in the nuts man...
wth is this?
dense sphinx
aura buff later 
daring pagoda
3% week 4 here we come
covert drift
yes, that is my point. where are the buffs to compensate?
the tier is too strong on prot, so just nerf it and let arms and fury even worse and call it a day?
i'm not trying to be doomer but it really does seems that blizz don't have ppl working on warrior
idk why
did they decide the melee dps of this expansion is DK?
minor gust
its called be patient try not to think about it
it doesnt matter right now
once you see the big tuning patch then you can complain
covert drift
ok man, if you say so
slim compass
lol this guy is just a tier list doomreader
covert drift
nah man, i'm not talking just about numbers
i'm talking about them at least trying changes
latent moss
its tier tuning relax
minor gust
I get the feeling trust I know but its ptr cycle and things are still being tuned anything can change anytime once you see the big post the a fuck load of aura buffs and nerfs then its time to complain if things are bad because shits almost ready to ship
I wouldnt expect changes tho its to late for that there was none planned for warrior this tier. Its just tuning now
urban egret
here's hoping warrior/rogue rework for midnight i guess
What you'd like to see getting reworked ?
covert drift
For arms i think everyone agrees to see juggernaut go and the tree be adjusted to allow warrior to take a bit more of utility
On a more personal note, i think rend and deep wounds should be combined no need to have two separate bleeds. I dislike roar, is just a button to press. I would like SS to be off GCD
When it comes to utility, giving a brez or lust. I honestly think prot hold dps warrior back
Idk a lot about fury but the hard cap of 5 is just crazy...
latent moss
When it comes to utility, giving a brez or lust. I honestly think prot hold dps ...
brez or lust wouldnt change anything
having unique utility changes things
minor gust
Utility argument is forever a cope
covert drift
is not the only point
minor gust
Arms needs talent and rage reworks
latent moss
arms needs god
minor gust
^
shadow ibex
arms needs more than they are willing to do apparently
gusty nymph
minor gust
Torments gutted didnt help ava
shadow ibex
dont look at TR dmg
latent moss
on st its bad yeah in aoe its good
covert drift
anyone else also dislike roar?
latent moss
there is just no point in having so many offensive cds
minor gust
its an aoe CD that interacts with our bleeds its fine where it is
minor gust
if they could replace spear with a more ST orientated cd that would be good
shadow ibex
its an aoe CD that interacts with our bleeds its fine where it is
it does nothing without capstones
latent moss
if they could replace spear with a more ST orientated cd that would be good
hear me out
shadow ibex
without capstones its straight up just a 90 sec slam
minor gust
it does nothing without capstones
ok so what wow you need to invest into something for it to be good
covert drift
I really, really enjoyed mop arms...
shadow ibex
ok so what wow you need to invest into something for it to be good
its a 90 sec offensive ability
that's the thing its terrible
covert drift
something like that would make you choose BS/Ravager/Roar nowadays
shadow ibex
it probably shouldnt exist in the class tree if you want it to be good
minor gust
that's the thing its terrible
in aoe its not
latent moss
remove ava and spear from class tree and put some execute shit in there and move it stuff like sd and massacre from spec trees to class tree with some big execute capstone
shadow ibex
in aoe its not
and in ST it does less than sidearm
latent moss
that way all 3 specs have real execute
covert drift
I'm not talking if it does damage or it is good or not. I'm talking about a design stand point. Numbers can be tuned around if the skill is gone
minor gust
and in ST it does less than sidearm
thats why the class tree could use a better ST option TR doesnt need to be good in both
shadow ibex
remove ava and spear from class tree and put some execute shit in there and move...
ava would never go anywhere
latent moss
give arms a real cd in the spec tree
fuck avatar
genuinely
ive never seen a 1:30 that boring
covert drift
make avatar a pvp talent and give a new cd for warrior
latent moss
idk make it a thane thing only
during which u tc is replaced with tblast or something idk
shadow ibex
thats why the class tree could use a better ST option TR doesnt need to be good ...
the fact class tree has multiple CDs is the problem
latent moss
avatar is evil
especially for fury
fury needs to get rid of avatar
and buff reck
make it a real cd
then choose between short cd and very powerful cd
with am and ra
latent moss
the fact class tree has multiple CDs is the problem
the main issue with avatar imo
is that u dont even know if its up
minor gust
the fact class tree has multiple CDs is the problem
the ST option doesnt have to be a cd
latent moss
without looking at ur buffs
minor gust
could easily be condemn
latent moss
or EP that works for all 3 specs
make it 1 stack for fury
theres a lot they could try
latent moss
ashen juggernaut would work fine
minor gust
most likely not š
latent moss
i mean they obviously gave up on spear
my bet is that its gone in 12.0
no one likes it
shadow ibex
i hope the same for roar
latent moss
no one ever liked it
shadow ibex
i hate this 6 global aoe set up
latent moss
except when it was busted with mikanikos
minor gust
I think theres no way to fix arms rage issue without a full rework to the spec
latent moss
yep
minor gust
they tried to fix it going into TWW
latent moss
no real spender outside of exe
minor gust
but it didnt work at all
latent moss
and during execute without insane sd procs u legit cant keep up
i mean it kinda works cause colossus plays blord
shadow ibex
nothing was accomplished its actually impressive
covert drift
anyone played mop arms ?
latent moss
and slayer has giga sd procs
minor gust
its the overcapping problem that exists as well
cedar sentinel
how's arms looking in PTR?
minor gust
that doesnt feel fun
cedar sentinel
or warrior in general
latent moss
its the overcapping problem that exists as well
ye
shadow ibex
its the overcapping problem that exists as well
there's not a fun way to spend it after mortal strike is on cooldown
latent moss
imo something they should definitely try
shadow ibex
as colossus at least
latent moss
is to decouple wb and cs
shadow ibex
slayer can exe ofc
minor gust
should never be a world you press a non rage spender at max rage
shadow ibex
once MS is on CD colossus doesnt have a way to spend rage that feels good to press
jade ember
It's funny to think how rage is still a problem even after all its gone through. Nothing will be worse than Classic design tho.
minor gust
is to decouple wb and cs
it truly just is a Legion Revert
latent moss
decouple wb and cs
keep wb as an aoe cd u talent into
tactician back to cs
gut rage gen
remove jugg
shadow ibex
i guess cleave tech
latent moss
it truly just is a Legion Revert
y
latent moss
It's funny to think how rage is still a problem even after all its gone through....
s1 df pre .5
cs slam slam slam
wait for tom
sks
s1 sl was awful as well
venthyr s1*
latent moss
it truly just is a Legion Revert
also imo colossus plays like shit on st and its not fixable without a rework
eb is procing!!! ( cant press ms)
minor gust
it needs that perfect middle I dont want to be rage starved to a point im afk no button pressing but I also wanna care about not overcapping rage
shadow ibex
they could fix colossus ST feel if they double EB/battlelord proc chance inside CS
latent moss
it needs that perfect middle I dont want to be rage starved to a point im afk no...
s3 sl
sl arms had that middle ground
minor gust
I only played a lil of SL I thought it was a lil too starved
I like off gcd or big rage dumps like with DF
instead of just having low rage gen
latent moss
s2 had globals u held to pool rage
s3 with pile on
u had infinite tactician
so u never had dead globals but u also never capped or starved if played well
since df its all gone to shit
jade ember
There's always the final iteration of Heroic Strike where it was an off-the-gcd rage dump ecksdee
latent moss
ngl ep is kinda the devil
forces us into 2x exe -> ms rotation
which is 100 rage
in 3 globals
minor gust
since df its all gone to shit
I thought DF was fine we just needed a better way to spend the rage Off GCD abillity plz
arctic iris
I think they should increase rage generation and increase Slam's rage cost
I think DF S1 was a lot closer to being great than what we have now
gleaming cosmos
Anyone have an example PTR build? Was watching Crit earlier and he mentioned we doing more bleed damage so curious if any talent changes because of it.
latent moss
df mega capped outside of st
arctic iris
I actually liked Ignore Pain as an oGCD rage dump
arctic iris
df mega capped outside of st
I definitely agree it had problems, but they were fixable
jade ember
Anyone have an example PTR build? Was watching Crit earlier and he mentioned we ...
Only thing I know for sure is its Skullsplitter thyme again
arctic iris
They threw the baby out with the bathwater
latent moss
Anyone have an example PTR build? Was watching Crit earlier and he mentioned we ...
not sure cause todays changes
but it was
arterial bleeds over one against many
2x bb + sks over soa/dn
gleaming cosmos
Oh true I misread the change. didn't see if twas nerfing bleeds.
latent moss
its weird
cause art is better on st and big aoe
so prolly art
cause its either st or big aoe
latent moss
I definitely agree it had problems, but they were fixable
adding an offgcd spender doesnt change anything
throws rage management out the window completely
turns arms into fury lite completely
minor gust
imo thats fine
latent moss
big gen fast spend
latent moss
not when its braindead
like it would be with heroic strike
funny how they could just take legion arms
and put it in
shadow ibex
fury mop was probably only time we ever had that level of rage management in the arms spec i think
minor gust
you want more punishment for mistakes in play vs just dont let the bar overcap
shadow ibex
like you wanted to go into CS windows with 90+ rage for x3 heroic strikes
cuz you could only get 3 off
jade ember
Take us back to Cataclym when we had to stance dance to Overpower we deserve it
latent moss
ye
shadow ibex
i think thats only time we really managed managed managed rage
latent moss
#showtooltip Overpower
/cast Battle Stance
/cast Overpower
then /cast Berserker stance on every other
jade ember
yeeeeeee
latent moss
you want more punishment for mistakes in play vs just dont let the bar overcap
arms should be a punishing spec imo
tactical gotta plan ur stuff type shit
shadow ibex
frost punishes you for using cds with no resources
idt arms has been that case in a long time
minor gust
arms should be a punishing spec imo
yeah I get you im fine with both but I rather have the off gcd route
jade ember
A gameplay loop where you're more conservative with rage spending so you can go nutty inside CS would be fun if done well
latent moss
idk holding gcds to pool rage was peak in sl s2 for me
minor gust
Legion revert one day
latent moss
cause it was rewarding
u get to unleash mortal strikes
but every single ms turbofucked back then
shadow ibex
probably gotta turn MS to generator if you want to rework rage
if u wanna make it matter players gonna need a swing timer
arctic iris
like it would be with heroic strike
There's a middle ground between heroic strike and no oGCD spenders
shadow ibex
and they def dont expect players to get swing timer
latent moss
^
shadow ibex
yea but not for avg person playing
arctic iris
Having an oGCD ability on a 12s cooldown and Storm of Swords was that middle ground.
There were problems with rage gen still, but the foundation was there.
jade ember
Make slam reset swings again hell yea
minor gust
I like that little nugget of detail
shadow ibex
its very obfuscated way to generate resource
jade ember
Go ahead and make rage based on white damage again too send it
shadow ibex
if u wanna make that the way to generate it + have it matter a lot
latent moss
Having *an* oGCD ability on a 12s cooldown and Storm of Swords was that middle g...
which u stopped doing in s3 and just proceeded to cap perma
shadow ibex
idk that jsut goes against everything theyve done with making game more approachable
latent moss
with sd procs
still s3 arms owned
worst part about it was getting back to back sd procs in cs in exe
unable to build tom
shadow ibex
when the SD proc happened mid execute
animation
lmao
oh what a fuckign cursed resource we play with
jade ember
Prot did just literally lose Spell Block because Blizz thought it was too hard to know how to use, lawd please protect Reflect
shadow ibex
now you get slayer strikes instead
latent moss
spell block isnt a solution to a design issue with prot tbh
smoky kayak
Reflect is fine, even when it doesnāt reflect something it still does dr
latent moss
id rather have some other way to mitigate magic damage more often
than a 20s immunity
which they havent given us tbf
jade ember
Yeah I just feel like the "needing to know what you can reflect" argument is similar to the thing Blizz said about Spell Block. I'm being silly, I know. I don't expect it to go anywhere.
latent moss
i always hated spell block ngl
cause im main dps who plays prot first week or two in m+ usually
and i have no clue where to use it
and if tank is not playing and im tanking a higher key
and i misuse spell block
i just explode
shadow ibex
idk they arent consistent
jade ember
I didn't even think about Prot with the new Thane changes like are they gonna be Thane all the time and super strong in dungos now? I think they were already good on the PTR atm.
shadow ibex
prot war also gets destroyed by bleeds
how do they not know these things exist in the game they make
latent moss
i mean
u need a weakness
bdk gets oneshot by 4 melees syncing
pwar loses 100k hp
shadow ibex
thats more a tuning thing for the DK no? or misplay with no resource?
im talking like bird boss in AA from DF where prot war just hard punished cuz its a bleed
latent moss
thats more a tuning thing for the DK no? or misplay with no resource?
prolly but bdk does get randomly oneshot often unlike pwar
smoky kayak
Yeah I just feel like the "needing to know what you can reflect" argument is sim...
Youāre not wrong, thereās definitely some similarity
But reflect is more forgiving in several ways - shorter cd, has an effect even when it doesnāt fully āworkā, and itās typically not as do-or-die, since the most dangerous abilities typically canāt be reflected anyway
Whereas spell block was either invincible or death
jade ember
Ya das fair.
sour forge
30s magic dmg reduction is still pretty strong for dps
earnest imp
i like that MT stonks are rising, since its been underloved this expac
halcyon magnet
does opportunist have the highest priority in raid?
latent moss
no
halcyon magnet
outside of ms and ep stack
earnest imp
you see, short term memory dictates that this season is the only one thats remembered haha
latent moss
outside of ms and ep stack
yes
halcyon magnet
in execute do you prio getting 2x ep or using an opportunist proc
latent moss
2x ep
halcyon magnet
ty
latent moss
in execute do you prio getting 2x ep or using an opportunist proc
well technically its opp op but its annoying to play like that for no dps gain
if u have less than 2 stacks and < 80 rage and opportunist up
its technically higher prio
short spear
So is arms being nerfed on the ptr solely because of raid?
minor gust
no its being nerfed becasue of prot
spring ruin
Don't worry, plenty of time for tuning ..
short spear
So they just hate on warriors in general when even one spec gets too strong
open ingot
Yeh its not the reason colossus got nerfed. Prot like others have said
Eh i mean if we get anything like last season no reason to complain really
All classes within 6% in raid
More just m+
short spear
Ya I like m+ a lot more
open ingot
I mean if warrior is middle of the pack in m+ its a good spot to be considering we contribute a heap with battle shout
I will be happy if they fix arms single target dmg
Is a bit rough watching it this season compared to other classes
In m+
spiral coral
I kinda love how this late in the season 10s feel like 4s
If youāre in a super geared comp just filling vault
final dove
so guys just a real quick question in ST raid - do you prio Overpower when tact procs or always MS
balmy kindle
pTR notes
boreal hawk
sharp tendon
Its funny to see warrior nerfed again when they where not great
balmy kindle
blizzard seems to like the 2 caster comp in m+
dense bridge
stoic epoch
@open ingot well cool if you have battle shout but why bring a warrior when you can just bring a frost dk that prolly brings shitton more dps to your grp that battle shout is a meme and has actually utility
Wish I could play Arms the last season but well guess i wont sacrifice everything for a good feeling
hazy flower
thick kelp
shout is the best melee raidbuff
dense sphinx
the fdk would want battleshout if he's the VIP dps
strange perch
<@456226577798135808> MONGOOSE BITE ANGLE?????
near radish
what do you copy over to keep add ons and stuff for ptr is it the retail folder or wtf?
naive sage
i like that MT stonks are rising, since its been underloved this expac
I still keep thinking that mountain thane would be cool af if it was given to arms
fresh spire
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/850857508389519430/1282737334550265857/ph...
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winter leaf
what do you copy over to keep add ons and stuff for ptr is it the retail folder ...
Interface + WTF folders + if you want edit mode profile you must go to ptr/wtf/accounts/you account name/then delete the "edit-mode-cache-account" then copy it again from retail folder (same as for ptr)
worthy mortar
at this point i think Borat theory abut brain size is 100% true for blizz devs
quick frost
Colossus brothers hear me!
When is it appropriate to use demolish? off CD or hold during thunderous roar for bleed dmg increase etc?
wanton sierra
hey our new tier set got nerferd? i thought it was 2 garantee criteed mortal strikes
barren halo
rough dirge
hey our new tier set got nerferd? i thought it was 2 garantee criteed mortal str...
Yuuupp
Nerfed to 1 MS and now nerfed to 80% bleed
wanton sierra
wtf! ive seen varius tier lists across the internet and the hiest ive seen arms is at B (i mean this new season and tier)
rare kite
wtf! ive seen varius tier lists across the internet and the hiest ive seen arms ...
stray nerf. prot targeted
rare kite
yes
wanton sierra
maybe arterial bleed value? but that one against many is way too powerfull, solid %
rare kite
with this tier nerf i think you no doubt go One against many
wanton sierra
ye, our bleeds are not crazy damage right now, even with 80% and sks
rare kite
bleed damage is pretty decent, but before this nerf people were debating arterial vs one against many. now i think the debate is dead
tacit crystal
in theory bleeds just do more damage with higher target count no?
quasi torrent
short spear
i started playing arms after giving up on fury in season 2 dungeons. ive started really enjoying the feeling of hitting packs with demolish crits
sage badge
Arms owns.
tacit crystal
lofty pulsar
This may be obvious but I hold demolish for a juicy pack right
half vine
dont worry, dont worry.............dps warriors are getting true attention in the .5 patch of WoW 2.0. itll finally be our time
lofty pulsar
like I save more time for a key blasting 10+ mobs than I do finishing off <5 mobs right? Basic math?
tacit crystal
depends hp of mobs
you should have it for the start of every pack
maybe a 2nd if long enough
lofty pulsar
Yeah im still in mid-low keys where half the pulls are baby pulls
teal fossil
Colossus brothers hear me!
When is it appropriate to use demolish? off CD or ho...
Demolish right now donāt have much to do with bleeds
spiral coral
I would personally, just get used to sending cds as they come and just trying to line them up if they're within a couple seconds of each other.
quick frost
Well you get bleed dmg increase from not using it right
teal fossil
Itās minor
lofty pulsar
Itās 10+ so itās pretty average but thereās no effort Iāve seen to pull big for the most part
spiral coral
"Holding them" while learning imo will just end up making you forget lol
tacit crystal
if it was a bad press you should try to figure out why and not do it next time
spiral coral
holding and pooling are for mages. thinking about what im saving going into combust and what pack is next makes my brain hurt
spiral coral
if it was a bad press you should try to figure out why and not do it next time
be your own hekili 
jade cargo
Hello Mankis
wanton sierra
Arms bleed meta... like in BFA.
i member, corruption + deepwounds was insane
wanton sierra
Hello Mankis
hey todu ^^
jade cargo
@wanton sierrahellou
wanton sierra
i wonder how they nerf it, i mean... none of the tier lists of big gamers had arms up high, all i see its midterm or mostly A-
wispy escarp
Wouldnāt be a patch without them hamstringing us in some way šŖ
sacred zodiac
i wonder how they nerf it, i mean... none of the tier lists of big gamers had ar...
The tier lists are sandbagging warrior like crazy we are outrageously broken
(Please stop using tier lists for info)
tacit crystal
wanton sierra
(Please stop using tier lists for info)
what should we base on, mr spongie? i dont have the time i had before, work and wife... send us
sacred zodiac
Wait until tuning cycle is done and then consult your magic orb
wanton sierra
so not discussion allowed based on tier lists until the tunnin cycle is over? got it
dim basalt
Thats not what he said
tacit lodge
My orb says warrior should have an axe throwing spec then weāll finally be ranged
unkempt wren
My teir list puts warrior in the top spot because smashing things is fun. Only relevant teir list imo
arctic iris
so not discussion allowed based on tier lists until the tunnin cycle is over? go...
Looking at damage before tuning is done is like looking at a house's insulation before the house is built
unkempt wren
Not enough warrior nerfs for tuning to be done. We can still walk
minor gust
so not discussion allowed based on tier lists until the tunnin cycle is over? go...
Basically until the big tuning patch where you see many aura buffs and nerfs, nothing matters and everything is the wild West.
limber prairie
Guys, GG elvui for 11.2?
dim basalt
gief me en klaps papa
sacred zodiac
Elvui is a sin
words from someone who doesnt have an overkill pc
minor gust
It wouldn't be arms without catching strays from the other specs
swift crown
so not discussion allowed based on tier lists until the tunnin cycle is over? go...
Discussion based on tier lists is always pointless and stupid
fresh spire
words from someone who doesnt have an overkill pc
Dunno. Got a 7800x3d and it was not happy on ansurek. Swapped to default ui and gained some solid fps
Too much bloat in elv. Just release elv with raid frames and it would be goated
sacred zodiac
Dunno. Got a 7800x3d and it was not happy on ansurek. Swapped to default ui and ...
i am baiting you my solid man elvui is a resource hog of course
minor gust
fresh spire
i am baiting you my solid man elvui is a resource hog of course
My brain doesn't understand sarcasm. Man's brains rotten
minor gust
To be fair sarcasm with text is 50/50
sacred zodiac
To be fair sarcasm with text is 50/50
it is a fine line to walk
latent moss
Too much bloat in elv. Just release elv with raid frames and it would be goated
uuf
is goated for that
minor gust
it is a fine line to walk
my favorite is when something is clearly not sarcasm and the person back tracks with bro it was just sarcasm chill out
fresh spire
I just write bluntly as much as I'm not intending things to sound evil/nice
When people get mad as you write normally :/
I'm just a gold fish
latent moss
i am baiting you my solid man elvui is a resource hog of course
i stopped using it when i realized the only reason i was using it was cause of unit frames
slow saddle
Red mby here
sacred zodiac
i stopped using it when i realized the only reason i was using it was cause of u...
idk i use it cause the ui i steal uses it
we are not the same
latent moss
idk i use it cause the ui i steal uses it
i started stealing a different ui
slow saddle
Base ui. As long as i got plater
rare kite
switching to the blue side
what blue side? mage or shaman
stuck ruin
How we feeling in here today?
smoky kayak
Well, a streamer/theoryceafter spot, just opened up on mage
na he got unbanned
slow saddle
na he got unbanned
To bad
stuck ruin
Thatās good news!
jade ember
Also arms got hit by strays
Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brudda, Arms catches strays due to the hero talent system.
sour forge
How could they compensate without touching prot? Buff cleave?
smoky kayak
adjust an Arms specific spell or modifier
smoky kayak
or change one of the Colossus modifiers to a diff number for Prot vs Arms
there are a lot of ways, just depends on how much effort they wanna put in and how much they want the potential change to affect
sullen stirrup
Wish we had the sod / mop devs working retail 
slow saddle
Tbh less bleed dmg, and pure dmg for col is fine
sour forge
It wasnāt that big of a nerf though right? So surely canāt be too hard to tune something else up
smoky kayak
it was like -2-5%
slow saddle
A lot
jade ember
I really don't see how this problem is so bad when it was so obvious from the start. Like hey don't tune things for an entire hero spec if only one of its specs needs tuning. But here we are.
minor gust
decent nerf but tuning patch hasnt come out yet so it doesnt matter
smoky kayak
not really that significant actually, but doesn't feel that warranted either
minor gust
till it matters
smoky kayak
I really don't see how this problem is so bad when it was so obvious from the st...
I mean that problem exists no matter what, even with spec-specific tier bonuses you have the issue of changes aimed at Slayer affecting Colossus and vice versa
WoW Combat and spell data is insanely complex, there are just a whole lot of moving parts
jade ember
Just feels like more ways to have a spec catch strays which shouldn't really happen
slow saddle
I think issue is they want tiers to be equal
smoky kayak
not really, the only difference is they're affecting two specs and one hero instead of two heroes and one spec
slow saddle
And tune around it
smoky kayak
but yeah, you're overreacting, they're clearly trying to dial in the sets and then they can go back and adjust the spec as needed - it'd be nice if they did it all at the same time, but that's not always effective or even feasible
jade ember
Yea that's the thing tho it feels different to have it go across specs, to me at least
Maybe I'm too old-brained idk
smoky kayak
it's really not any diff in the long run
slow saddle
Ofc not they need to c where dps ends up from tiers and tune accordinly
jade ember
Its like nerfing Warr's ability to tank and damage vs just tank or sumn idk
smoky kayak
I just don't see the reason to get upset about the state of what's still PTR
Now... if they don't go back and adjust, and something just ends up clearly mistuned because they either ran out of time or effort, then sure, lambast them all you want
But as long as it's still PTR, I am completely comfortable with giving them leeway and the benefit of the doubt - this is literally what the PTR is for
jade ember
Yea I'm super not bought into any gripes about tuning until PTR is over the cross-role strays is just a thing that's forward on my mind
smoky kayak
Sure, same can be said for pretty much everyone in here 
olive nest
My spec isnāt absurdly overpowered on the very first ptr build!!! Better riot!!!
smoky kayak
well we're a little beyond the first PTR build, but I agree with the sentiment... and people literally were losing their shit over the fact that the first pass on Thane's set bonus was so mid
slow saddle
This sd holding shit has to go
smoky kayak
tbf the set does help address that
minor gust
is it still send at MFE > 1
slow saddle
At arms? We send to hold juggernaut yp?
And i cant believe they arent willing to change that playstyle
I havent heard 1 guy praise juggernaut on slaydr
minor gust
talking about 11.2 here friend not live
slow saddle
Still same rule no?
minor gust
its not
minor gust
slow saddle
What ever sims better will be the way
fresh spire
guys thane is so back
pliant kindle
theres a way to play slayer in m+ next season?
jade ember
For Arms? Col is way way way ahead.
white berry
theres a way to play slayer in m+ next season?
Yeah just spec into it, but if you plan to push then no
minor gust
heavy patio
Its nice in like 10-14 keys for killing prio targets asap, slayer m+ that is
minor gust
the dmg difference from slayer and colossus wont be the reason you dont time a key
slow saddle
Just reap
minor gust
even all the way up to title range keys
heavy patio
What it lacks in overall it makes up for in whatever can brick your key dieing a lot faster
Also insanely fun for rookery final boss š
inner terrace
Should I craft a weapon over heroic bestinslots
Same question for jastor tbh
Oh right, sims
inner terrace
Yar thought so. Getting back on da warrior grind.
glossy tusk
Yar thought so. Getting back on da warrior grind.
watch out for depression
inner terrace
watch out for depression
This is very possible as I have been other more enjoyable classes this season
hollow wave
Blizzard, make Ignore Pain great again
naive sage
This is very possible as I have been other more enjoyable classes this season
āthisā season
inner terrace
āthisā season
What do yoy mean by that
fresh spire
It defo has its ups and downs of feeling fun and then just feeling stale
Praying for the big man colossus buff in next tuning to have some freedom in raid for colossus/slayer fuckery
inner terrace
Arms has felt very stale for a long time
Season 3 dragonflight was fun as hell but teah
Yeah
dim basalt
Yup