arms

[steep osprey]

Based

[teal fossil]

You will be doing tank damage outside of execute in that case

[worthy mortar]

arent we already ? 😄

[olive nest]

The problem with doing giga execute is that when the fights get shorter you get impacted the most

[worthy mortar]

ye when we have luck with jugg stacks to 12+ dmg feels so good

but thats more rare then gordon ramsey hells kitchen stake

[shadow ibex]

So many fights are easier with faster pushes

Something arms can't really contribute to at all

[stark fable]

im thinking about what to choose for my 3 gear from cartel chip
can someone help me, should i choose best in slot for my weapon? or craft it myself and choose the ring, 2x trinket

[shadow ibex]

Assuming the execute niche is actually strong

[olive nest]

You want to be a frequent burst class

Not an execute class

Even though I like the concept of strong execute

[shadow ibex]

Burst non consistent dmg

[worthy mortar]

so fury?

[shadow ibex]

Fury is the most consistent flattest profile in the game

That's the problem with it lol

[worthy mortar]

what is it oposite then 😄

i mean what spec

[shadow ibex]

Some ranged class

Uh dk

[olive nest]

Fire mage is pretty ideal

So is MM

[shadow ibex]

Frost dk

[worthy mortar]

aah ok, so that is lets say best way to be atm in pve?

like ideal profile

burst on demand etc

[shadow ibex]

Next tier has a few damage amp bosses

[teal fossil]

Yeah

[shadow ibex]

Classes that burst best in that short time are gonna do better than one that just deals flat consistent regardless of if they have cds up

[worthy mortar]

oh fuck lol

[teal fossil]

Specs like fire mage and unholy dk

They do tank damage outside of cds

[olive nest]

Frequent burst is the best profile to have

[teal fossil]

But do about 4 arms warriors in cds

[steep osprey]

Fire mage is not that bursty anymore

combustion has a pretty decent uptime

[shadow ibex]

It tickles me someone would read this and be confused and assume fury right

[worthy mortar]

is it somehow retri pala?

[steep osprey]

if you want giga bursty specs that's arcane mage and MM hunter

[shadow ibex]

Surely it must have good burst right

Lmao

[steep osprey]

fire is not even close to arcane in terms of burst

so far down

light years

[olive nest]

You still do morbillion damage as fire during combust right

[steep osprey]

Not really

[olive nest]

Just not as big as past iterations

[shadow ibex]

Fury must have good burst right it's a 5 target spec so to compensate it's gotta insane burst

[olive nest]

Lmao

[steep osprey]

I mean you do the most damage in combustion but combustion is also more frequent

[shadow ibex]

XD

[steep osprey]

I don't know if unholy is that bursty either

it used to be giga bursty in df

[shadow ibex]

I assume so just cuz still using summon shit

Abom and all

[steep osprey]

Summons aren't as strong as they used to be

the damage the UH player deals is now actually a lot more than minions

it used tobe like 70% minions

30% player or so

now it's the other way around

[void shell]

war damage feels super low on the PTR

[steep osprey]

I wouldn't worry about raid tuning

[stuck loom]

anyone have an avatar plus trinket macro?

tried making one myself but never worked

[worthy mortar]

/cast Avatar
/use House of Cards
/cast Blood Fury(Racial)

[stuck loom]

🫶🏾

[sour forge]

Or /use 13

[olive nest]

@shadow ibex what kind of overall are you seeing in 16s? On avg

[shadow ibex]

I don't do keys on my warrior anymore

That's a raid log char for like 3 month

[olive nest]

Ahh shoot alright

[shadow ibex]

Done more ptr keys than live

[olive nest]

I’m behind my MM/Outlaw buddies by like a mill so I’m washed and gotta work that out

[charred brook]

You will be behind both of those typocally

[olive nest]

Yeah but a million overall?

I was playing bad

[charred brook]

A million is maybe a little much but it depends on the key

Especially outlaw

[olive nest]

17df was down a mill

[charred brook]

Outlaw can gap you big time

[olive nest]

16 cinder** was down 1.3m I think

[charred brook]

This is obviously like a rank 1 key but

Outlaw can gap you big time

[elfin kindle]

just did a ML20 and a shammy told me there's stuff to reflect on last boss, does any1 know what he ment?

[olive nest]

Atleast the gap is comparable

[charred brook]

You taunt spell reflect a tank mechanic

Only do it if you know the timing or else you can die

[elfin kindle]

is it like the assault flying map in DF?

forgot the instance name

on last boss you could reflect the spear

nokhound offensive*

[charred brook]

https://youtu.be/ECEmy1N1nsY?si=AulAveezAvnyZCLh

This should link to time stamp

For the reflect

[elfin kindle]

thank youi

[spiral coral]

Would pay attention to this and look up what’s reflectable, really makes an impact.

Free damage on the table sometimes to pick up

[elfin kindle]

eh i know all of the nontaunt shit- i pug so no voice

is there other things to boss taunt?

[shadow ibex]

Reflect my mother's love

[charred brook]

Last boss workshop

Taunt reflect after recalibrate

[stark fable]

should i craft my weapon a sword or axe or mace?

idk the difference

[shadow ibex]

0 dif

[reef glade]

Whichever either cheapest mats or has mog you like the most

(polearm only option in that regard sword and axe look terrible)

[stark fable]

thanks

are we crafting 2x ‍Duskthread Lining?

[spiral coral]

If you only have one craft, you do the one where it boosts whatever embellishment you have on the weapon on your crafted armor, then if you replace weapon or craft two others (boots/neck whatever) you do giftahs on your weapon then do x2 dusk thread

It’s on wowhead still

[stark fable]

got it man thanks

[wooden lava]

@smoky kayak have you done any sims yet?

[spiral coral]

Is the #updates-midnight not what you want?

@wooden lava

[wooden lava]

oh i missed it

thanks king

[tacit crystal]

class tuning isnt done

[wooden lava]

yeah

they'll nerf execute before raid launches

[smoky kayak]

Let's hope so, we can have another season of Fury & Colossus

[quaint otter]

weird feral not gaped

[reef glade]

pretending warrior tuning hasn’t already finished

:cluegi:

[tacit crystal]

cluegi

[unkempt wren]

Warrior tuning isn't finished,obviously. Not enough nerfs yet

[sharp wyvern]

*for fury

[jade ember]

3 target meat cleaver inc lets go

[icy mulch]

I mean, not much of what they're doing makes sense. So why not?

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-let-me-in-clawing-at-door-knocking-at-door-waiting-at-door-gif-10636413725109957056

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-boop-happy-gif-431135646442387035

[naive sage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[tacit lodge]

Be honest, did I swap back to arms from demonology at the worst time looking at season 3

Blizzard is inting me

[minor gust]

if you find it fun thats all the matters

tuning is a coinflip that you cant control

[icy mulch]

Didn't warlock just get some big buffs?

[tacit lodge]

Yuge ones

[reef glade]

classic warlock

Already op

needs more buffs

Yep cocka

[shadow ibex]

wait till u find out tr is doing less dmg than sidearm

[reef glade]

powerful

[tacit crystal]

sugma

[minor gust]

Five Seven Frost dk owns

[shadow ibex]

iconic ability reworked and weird resource priority that causes you to sit on procs or sit at resource cap at various points fixed

All arms issues fixed in like w
2 weeks

But dk

Tr doing as much dmg as abom limb tho

[tacit crystal]

yeah i might play it

[fair siren]

<@&257983573498265600>

[edgy canyon]

Someone smoke this clown

[fair siren]

sick em

[void bay]

Did I miss yet another free gift card?

[half vine]

looks like tier list season is about to fully begin

[grave mulch]

Teir lists are cringe

[heavy wren]

How high on the list do you think this seasons tier list will be ranked?

[slow saddle]

I low key love it

I dont make any choice based on those

[slow saddle]

Some ptr players

Hows col in keys?

[novel sluice]

reflecting on mythic testing from this week

i think colossus arms might be the spec for at least 3 bosses

it seems like the best option on soul hunters, araz, and soulbinder

[slow saddle]

Better than fury?

Coz atm arms seems faar behind

[weak wave]

And we all know there will be 0 balancing at all.

[slow saddle]

Tbh if we get 1 decent specc for m+ and 1 for raod

Its ok

[weak wave]

Even arms Slayer is a decent spec for M+ right now.

[slow saddle]

I mean i did do some 14s keys

As slayer arms

Its fun

Though for it to rly shine blizzard needs to delete juggernaut add season 3 df 4p bonus. And ofc buff normal execute🤣

I would love this so much

Imagine if sd proc made u go boom press insta gratification

[brittle pelican]

Warriors must suffer

That’s why Templar has non scuffed demolish

[slow saddle]

ikr

like ive always felt like Pala is a somewhat simplified and modernized arms warrior sadly 😄

[novel sluice]

MT isn't terrible on the fights I mentioned, it's actually pretty good on Soulbinder, but I found for Araz and Soul Hunters that the timings are really great for Demolish and Warbreaker. You're constantly able to keep both of them lined up via cleave and the adds on Araz spawn at perfect intervals to have it up for 2/3 waves of each set. Plus there's a lot of target switching on both of those bosses that makes Slayer just a pain to play.

Plus the colossus tier set is pretty decent

[slow saddle]

i know, but isnt Collosus tier bugged atm

so we cant actually c how good it is

where it gives u 14 seconds of crit atm

but im a HUGE fan of playing COL arms though

[viral locust]

love it too but demo is just ass having to stand still channeling

many other melee have channeled skills and can move, makes no sense

[slow saddle]

100% is the LEAST of the problems

of collosus

[novel sluice]

the hitting the mob even if it moves away QoL change is actually really nice honestly

i also think colossus will be pretty good on Nexus Prince

quite a bit of burst AoE and a 2 target damage amp

[viral locust]

Yea I didn't say it's top issue, I just really dislike it when other melee have channel that you can move with

there is no need

[novel sluice]

it's just the other specs and hero talents just don't apply well to some of the fights

[slow saddle]

i dont mind it as much now

it does have drawbacks

but in a raid setting its tiny

[viral locust]

yea raid its fine as things rarely move, more m+ it's annoying af, the change is nice and I have been lucky with alot of movement speed mythic items so I can actually move a tiny bit out of a circle lol but still makes zero sense to have it fix you in place when as I said many other melee have similar channels and can move freely

[latent moss]

i just leap

to reposition

micro leap

[novel sluice]

i mean colossus was the way to go on bandit prog this tier

[viral locust]

yea but thats a waste other classes dont need to do that

they can just move

[novel sluice]

and it didn't have an actual good tier set like it does now

[viral locust]

i mean warrior tank for buff and bench was the way this tier lmao

for this fight

[novel sluice]

idk about that, despite our tier set being terrible this tier, warrior was pretty decent on almost every boss

[viral locust]

slayer and full focus 1 add was the actual play to kill boss anyway, col was just pad when your comp didnt have all the relevant classes due to tuning

[latent moss]

just get 5 spriests

[novel sluice]

during prog you did more bomb sets so the aoe was impactful

the boss damage didn't matter until 30 percent

for last phase

[viral locust]

exactly the play pre nerf was just to bench war bring in another sp/lock or something

[novel sluice]

and the colossus build had juggernaut and executioner making the execute phase pretty good still

[viral locust]

pretty good but not the play

bench was the best place for warrior pre nerfs I'll stand by that lol

[clear silo]

Just now starting up arms warrior again. any good arms warrior youtubers for PVE out there anymore?

[thick kelp]

Critcake, biz, madox

madox mostly fury tho

[latent moss]

start streaming cro

[thick kelp]

Already did and got my affiliate too

[latent moss]

start making guides

[rare kite]

link twitch

[latent moss]

workshop take 2 small guys before maze

and stack collat and keep colossal might

[thick kelp]

twtv/wvalhe

[rare kite]

hmhh been a while huh

follow anyway

[uncut shard]

Archimtiros is Revvez

[candid pecan]

I don't think so

[slow saddle]

IS void elf going to be bis next tier as well?

[shadow ibex]

They haven't changed anything about racial idk why it wouldn't be

[swift crown]

Gio is Galastronk

Walhe is Wallife

Anda is Revvez theory

Schmidi is Spongie

@sacred zodiac that has never been debunked

[uncut shard]

Never seen Anda and Schmidi in the same room

Anda might be Schmidi

and therefore Schmidi might be revvez

[shadow ibex]

Anda is there whenever your jug ticks down at 3 mfe

[olive nest]

🙂

jug is so good

[shadow ibex]

New empower rune weapon is off the gcd

[rare kite]

Does it still do the same thing

[shadow ibex]

No

It has 2 charges and generates KM insta

It's fucking amazing

It's like if we had some way to generate an OP charge off the global cooldown

....

[rare kite]

Holy moly

[shadow ibex]

Yea

Deals dmg too ofc

But not the point

[slow saddle]

Should i rly go dk next tier

[shadow ibex]

I wish I was joking man but every arms issue they fixed with fdk changes. Sitting at rage cap and using OP and shit over slam

Sitting on SD procs and using slam over exe

[slow saddle]

Sd proc fix 4p from df deletejuggernaur

Counts towards am

[shadow ibex]

Yea their free abilities count towards mechanics

[slow saddle]

As it should

[shadow ibex]

Like runes spent extend winter but rime is free but still counts

[slow saddle]

Is breath mandatory in raid?

[shadow ibex]

Consume 2 km charges to fix weird holding a charge and trying to avoid going over 2

Probably but it's fun to use anyway

[slow saddle]

Ok😁

I will not lie, im tempted

If we get noting

And not just 5% aura. Jdd

[fresh spire]

Its ok guys colossus might be back on the menu depending how they tune it in coming weeks

Only 2% behind slayer rn

[olive nest]

a colossus raid season sounds sick

bursting adds with demo

mmm

[shadow ibex]

I played colossus on nexus king was fun

Have demolish for add intermission

[fresh spire]

After cooking with stone Idol you will sit on cd/rav cds on occasion to line them up. And you always send demolish in Cs windows now

[candid pecan]

710 ilvl

[fresh spire]

Yeh its a big trinket

[candid pecan]

do we use it first and then CS/Avatar?

because of the channel

[shadow ibex]

Where it from

[candid pecan]

Halls of Atonement

[fresh spire]

On pull you charge channel then do opener. I tried delaying it for rend but its a dps loss

[shadow ibex]

Delve?

Kk

[fresh spire]

You delay every other Cs for avatar line up if its within 14 seconds

So you end up stacking full cds. Trinket and demolish amp

[shadow ibex]

NO

DELAY NO

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-8064623806697547309

[rare kite]

Lmao that's cursed. Fitting for the trinket name

[fresh spire]

I mean you say cursed but when you consider just how much of a difference it makes having all those damage amps stacked it makes sence

[rare kite]

Delaying cds is always cursed. I wanna SEND

I understand why, i just do not like it

[shadow ibex]

Spiteful then

[naive sage]

Haha I’m really glad for you, sweet child, unaware of the pain of playing stormbringer enha shaman

[shadow ibex]

Cook spiteful

Die delay

Tom tier

Surely

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-duck-gif-13236181837901593958

[rare kite]

I got offered enh spot next tier a while ago. Declined coz of stormbringer xD

[naive sage]

In single target it’s chill I must say
But in keys

[candid pecan]

its so annoying the mobs that run away when they reach a certain HP in Halls, atleast the bleeds are ticking on them

[dim basalt]

Mages

[candid pecan]

hate them

[livid pond]

sorry if this has been raised before, been having a debate on whether rend is even worth taking because of its low damage, do you take it purely because slam is a lower spender so because there is enough downtime where you are casting slam, its worth maintaining 100% uptime on rend?

[shadow ibex]

Yes rend is worth to take

There aren't anything else to take anyway

[gaunt owl]

Hey guys you still playing WoW in 2025 ?

[thick kelp]

Worth to take

back in the good old days rend was the reason you were able to deal

damag

[stable fiber]

rend carried cata arms

and wrath arms

[warped ether]

The good question here

[stable fiber]

wrath arms

[tardy gull]

how much is the m+ performance different for colossus and slayer?

[dreamy sandal]

Pretty big, slayer just does way less dps

[thick kelp]

Abit in favour of colossus

[dreamy sandal]

That being said you can play both up to a certain level

[tardy gull]

i tried both slayer seems rng heavy for the 20% proc?

reap the storm

[dreamy sandal]

It is quite RNG heavy, but more so for Fury than arms

[tardy gull]

man warrior without bladestorm and meaningful execute feels lame

i mean the colossus aoe talent people are using

[dreamy sandal]

Make your voice heard on the forums or on the ptr ^^

The more people talk about it the better

[latent moss]

yeah colossus is basically post castle nathria shadowlands arms on steroids

[tardy gull]

cleave is cool but this is too much lol

[latent moss]

personally i fw cleave

it is too much right now tho

[stable fiber]

cleave owns

[latent moss]

next patch ur dps is a lot more spread

between cleave/ms and ur dots

[stable fiber]

whirlwind is like the worst button ever

[latent moss]

which to me is peak arms design

big hitters + dots

[tardy gull]

i wish dots and big hits contribute more

rend and deepwound looks pitiful on meter

[stable fiber]

its all better next season ngl

[latent moss]

u are in for a treat

[tardy gull]

but that's colossus only right?

[latent moss]

from critcakes stream

[tardy gull]

oh nice

[latent moss]

first pull arakara

big pull onto the spider

big miniboss or w/e it is

the one hanging

[tardy gull]

rend is a weird skill, no interaction whatsoever and barely worth it for a GCD

[latent moss]

it does a fuck ton of damage

not the cast itself

but the dot

does a lot

especially with next season tierset

for colossus

[tardy gull]

is slayer looking any good? seems weak

[stable fiber]

it doesnt look like it does a lot, but it does a lot for how little you push it

slayer good in raid as usual

colossus also looks good in raid mostly because the bosses look good for colossus

there are a lot of non execute damage amps in this raid and they last a pretty small time which is good for colossus

[tardy gull]

i think overall i'm not used to arms yet

[latent moss]

ngl

might be colo angle

this season

slayer fury / colo arm

[tardy gull]

like last time i played warrior was like legion or before that

[latent moss]

unlucky

from peak design to this

[tardy gull]

and we didn't have to choose between big execute or aoe

[stable fiber]

colo dps is being artifically boosted rn though because tier set is working in a unintended way

[latent moss]

that is true

[stable fiber]

but it does still seem good

[tardy gull]

i think it's jsut wrong for any warrior to not have big execute

[latent moss]

but still demolish does most of the job

[tardy gull]

man it's lame

[latent moss]

good old days

i wish i played back then ngl

legit what we want from blizzard btw

take legion arms

put it to live

ez

[tardy gull]

and the 2 execute > mortal strike cycle is so point consuming to set up for big rage generation so you can't put points in other cool thing

reserved for single target

[latent moss]

and colossus cant play it

[tardy gull]

man

[latent moss]

cause no rage

[tardy gull]

it's like good old arms warrior splitted into 2 lesser specs

[latent moss]

waiting for legion classic

[tardy gull]

lol

oh well

might not main warrior after all for the next season

[latent moss]

for me colossus is pretty fun in m+ and slayer fury in raid

[warped ether]

Rend from shadowlands Wasent that bad tbh

With the 10 % crit damage amplifier on it

[outer holly]

Idk how I feel about colo arms, at least slayer has SD procs to pay attention to. Colo is a bit of a snoozer for me

[latent moss]

imo they could get rid of rent put that dmg into deep wounds/spells

[latent moss]

i was mostly talking about aoe

with eb perma proccing

high cm generation

low demo cd

high rage spending so low wb cd as well

etc

[rare kite]

we have that baseline now. without rend

[fresh spire]

ofc the kick back of colossus is battlelord resets for ms vs sd procs

[latent moss]

yep

big ms

big demo

big cleave

[void bay]

big nipples, big life

[quaint otter]

[latent moss]

[nova marsh]

Guys is it over

[shadow ibex]

It's crazy to me they have frost a off gcd resource generator

[thick kelp]

@calm vessel Drink up

[fresh spire]

Stella one of the worst drinks

[thick kelp]

Forgot that you are british and only drink Guiness

[fresh spire]

i stg you been drinking every day this week :kekw

[thick kelp]

Vacation mode

[fresh spire]

[shadow ibex]

I used to drink stella in the shower

Shower beers went hard

[grim oasis]

pray they use it as reception for arms changes

[chrome matrix]

How do I go about mastering the arms warrior rotation in m+

[shadow ibex]

We had an off gcd way to generate procs

Ignore pain

[grim oasis]

yeah but we know what their opinion on that was

[shadow ibex]

Just makes no sense lol

[grim oasis]

its just another spec on life support with a dev that either has no clue what to do, or has his own idea for the spec with zero interest in hearing feedback

[shadow ibex]

Don't look at tr tooltip

250% hit and 250% dot

Meanwhile sidearm is 70% ap per hit

Aka it takes like 7 sidearm to out damage your 90 second cooldown

Tr was dealing like 1-2% in raid

Vs sidearm 3%

Not saying sidearm is good. Just how shitty tr is when it's a capstone getting out dmg by a passive one point ability most players would have to crane their neck to notice

[teal fossil]

I told yall sidearm is bis

[shadow ibex]

They lowered target count but inc dmg

So naturally it beats out your 90 sec cooldowns in ST

[drowsy eagle]

guys does anyone have some arms m+ gameplay from ptr?

tried looking around on youtube and didn't have much luck

[wind flicker]

Its the same as it is now tbh

Even the numbers are the same kinda

[grim oasis]

[fossil thistle]

Ilvl goes up dps goes down

🫶

[drowsy eagle]

[slow saddle]

Thats sad

[shadow ibex]

happy with warrior

[wind flicker]

unluku maluku

[shadow ibex]

Ulug Ulus or Uluγ Ulus may refer to:

the Golden Horde

[spiral coral]

tf

ppl looking for warrior in a 17 the hell is going on

[sour forge]

Fury ain’t too bad in top

[gaunt hazel]

That's not even a physical comp lmao

[spiral coral]

that's what I'm sayin

[grim oasis]

dont you know?

[sour forge]

But ya not even phys

[grim oasis]

arms owns

[sage badge]

Arms owns.

[spiral coral]

I haven't been in a non phys group in a looong time lol

[ancient scroll]

we are a bit better

bc tierset is very strong

[ancient scroll]

I streamed some a few days ago but as ptr goes the runs were super scuffed lol

[nova marsh]

And we got less jugg gamba

[ancient scroll]

cant really tell anything meaningful from ptr

[rare kite]

compared to other dps i'd say we are worse. so many strong specs on ptr

[wind flicker]

Mutou be speaking facts

[shadow ibex]

we'll get last minute aura buff

but gamepaly changes ship has sailed

[dim basalt]

[shadow ibex]

tbh probably not aura buff cuz that would buff TR dmg

probably just abilities again like undermine

[minor gust]

We shall see what happens we'll get more solid tuning either this week or the next.

Right now they really haven't done much as far as tuning so shit is still wack

Not really worth fretting at

[wind flicker]

Honestly

Just let me get rid of prestacking

And im happy

Like its so cringe i gotta prestack every dungeon

[shadow ibex]

And 90 sec reset on boss wipe

[minor gust]

Someone said they killed prestacking

Can't confirm tho

It's even more fun when you do Slayer keys gotta stack up imminent demise and build a collateral before dungeon start

[fair siren]

just be like farover and arms is fine

sounds like a lot of skill issue complaining

[ancient scroll]

yes they did

unless its a ptr bug or something

[minor gust]

like everything is dead?

or just certain stuff

[spiral coral]

“fine”

[ancient scroll]

idk colossal might and collater damage buffs randomly fall off like 5 seconds into they key

shamans were saying its fixed for them too

[minor gust]

lets hope its dead then ill have to try slayer and see if Iminent demise goes away

[fair siren]

had to double take after checking how high the arms m+ team is ranked rn for timed runs

[wind flicker]

Honestly

[spiral coral]

I love arms don’t get me wrong, but there’s things that can be improved upon.

[wind flicker]

Ill be happy already if they remove rng from tier

[ancient scroll]

its unfort because prestack is even more imprtant for us next season

[steep osprey]

There’s pretty bad prestacking for WW shado pan monk with the tier set

[wind flicker]

Like im getting so triggered from not proccing on big pulls

Im just sitting there with 10 stacks for 4 minutes

Not proccing

Malding

[ancient scroll]

it def shouldnt exist

but we should be compensated since they removed it lol

big dps loss

[wind flicker]

I mean its nice minmax and everything

But its RNG

Like i had a motherload the other day

I didnt proc till like 4 minutes in

I was so mad

[ancient scroll]

tierset doesnt really matter

[minor gust]

oh yeah fuck our tier set man its so cancer

[wind flicker]

Ye its

Kinda annoying ng;

[minor gust]

both tier sets next tier are good and dont feel annoying so thats a +

[latent moss]

shoot prestacking in the head

classes that had to prestack should get compensated

[minor gust]

Blizzard only works in half ass so best your gonna get is prestacking dead with no compensation

[ancient scroll]

everyone just play bad in ptr raid

then blizz will buff us

[minor gust]

the warlock strat classic

sandbag on ptr sandbag sims and put all 3 lock specs in B tier on Maxs tier list

[shadow ibex]

no one played arms on testing so thats sandbagging right

[rare kite]

think i literally only saw khazix play arms on ptr

for raidtesting that is

[magic canopy]

from the mythic testing i did, outside of additional tuning didnt see a point

collo arms on the add boss maybe but

eh

[shy tide]

probs just gonna be fury on bosses where execute doesnt matter

and then arms on where the last part matters more

good ol classic

unless tuning mixes things up a bit

[minor gust]

def will get tuning

if no tuning comes before raid release then its cooked

[shy tide]

yeah but i dont see them buffing arms so much that itll overtake fury in ST overall

[minor gust]

I dont either

which is fine if its like undermine tuning where they are basically even thats good enough for me

[wind flicker]

I played arms last week on PTR

In the new dungeon

Besides the shitty UI and terrible ping, it looked fine. nothing too special tho

[rare kite]

yeah in keys i've seen a few. did aight, nothing special like you said

completely whatever spec

[sour forge]

Better than fury at least

[hexed saddle]

i could see arms getting played on some of the aoe fights this tier tbh

[swift crown]

Some of them have good Demolish lineups

and Bladestorm kinda blows for doing actual damage to some of these

[smoky kayak]

prestacking is degen and deserves to be

[minor gust]

[mortal crag]

chat

i did what u guys

i hit harder and it worked

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aNKYp7ngXPyZQGRM?fight=56&type=summary

[steep osprey]

It’s that simple

[mortal crag]

truly

howd i not figure it out

[mortal crag]

prestack EVERY SINGLE PULL

[spiral coral]

Goated Brew.

[olive nest]

havent pre stacked yet

refuse to do that nonsense

[sacred zodiac]

this is why you dont time keys

[olive nest]

right that makes all difference xD

[fair siren]

its an excuse for casuals let em have it

[sour forge]

What exactly are we pre stacking

[olive nest]

pre stacking collateral is why people dont time keys

[sour forge]

Think I missed the tech

[olive nest]

xD

[sour forge]

Before key starts? With like dummy toys

[olive nest]

various ways but yes

[sacred zodiac]

words by someone who doesnt time high keys (12+)

[olive nest]

afkd keys this season probably get base 16s or 17s before the season is over since my friends got resil up there

[fair siren]

i only got to resil 13 and stopped playing 3 weeks before masks came out. im a casual. ive watched farover do 20s without stacking so ur skill gapped if u arent trolling

[olive nest]

good enough for me 🙂

[latent moss]

hoooly

prestack master now or

did u prestack

(i know u did no way u didnt)

I hope they get rid of prestacking and compensate arms for it

cause u are forced into prestacking pretty much

[shadow ibex]

they would just say prestacking was unintendedly giving classes burst that dont have profile that support it

or some nonsense buzzwords

idk thats my first draft at blue speak

[latent moss]

i will kill them

[shadow ibex]

prestacking is getting around mechanics and buffs that need to be stacked for a reason blah blah blah something who knows but you aren't gettign 1-2% to make up for it

[mortal crag]

nivs is my man

[mortal crag]

in flood? no i didnt on first pull

cant be assed

[latent moss]

ye but are u like

conciously prestacking end of pull

for next

cause thats where u lose most

damage

[spiral coral]

could you have used rav more?

[latent moss]

u can send wb close to end of pack to get iftk with ss

and stack collat

this spec is so degen if u want to fuck

[spiral coral]

im stealing this

[mortal crag]

oh im trying yeah

im tryna focus on that more

and im trying to focus more on playing around my SS windows

like for example

with BL, i know i can SS on pull and i'll have it done and then 2-3 gcds later ill have a 15 stack cleave

with warbreaker

without BL, i send SS like 5-6s later

so i ava

[latent moss]

people didnt believe when we said that colo is actually hard asf

[mortal crag]

then i get a like.. 6 stack collat?

lined up on warbreaker

[latent moss]

yep

[steep osprey]

Hey turbo

[mortal crag]

and then on next warbreaker ill have a 12-15stack

[steep osprey]

Have tried the blue Fanta

[mortal crag]

that OR

i can extend SS on last sec

and get a 20 stack warbreaker

[minor gust]

just collat managment which has no hard rule on how to do it. Just experience and play

[latent moss]

welcome to collateral damage

[mortal crag]

its LITERALLY cringe though

ngl

[latent moss]

yep

[latent moss]

no

[mortal crag]

actual bozo cringe gameplay ngkl

[steep osprey]

Damn

Delete collateral damage tbh

[minor gust]

yeah its something that was fun and interesting at first but like the Jugg min maxing it has its diminishing returns and now its more cringe than fun

[latent moss]

might sound stupid

but it keeps me awake

gets boring fast tho

[steep osprey]

Get coffee

That’s a better caffeine than collateral damage

[latent moss]

not true

[fair siren]

just make the dungeons harder mechanic wise ez

[latent moss]

24/7 thinking about collat

[rare kite]

They prob will in midnight

[latent moss]

i go to sleep and i still manage collat

wr are not the same

12.0 loading

[mortal crag]

got rag mount

:3

[steep osprey]

Hopefully remove jug or make it better

[mortal crag]

yeah it was fun for like

3 pulls

[steep osprey]

Gz

[mortal crag]

then it was just genuinely pain

BUT the good thing is that if u line it up

it KINDA naturally lines up

[steep osprey]

I need the experiment 12-b mount now

[mortal crag]

shaman is disgustingly more cringe

but its easier to prestack

[minor gust]

you kinda get the flow of it of when you can prestack before next pull/hold

after awhile

[latent moss]

wb makes ur next cleave do 200% more damage or something

ez

[steep osprey]

Didn’t they remove this prestack shit for enha

[latent moss]

fun big number without the brainrot

[mortal crag]

NO 🙂

[steep osprey]

Gg

[mortal crag]

enha has a workaround it

[latent moss]

just wait till sks minmaxing next tier

collat + sks

[steep osprey]

Of course they do

[mortal crag]

u wanna hear it?

[minor gust]

Kurim said prestacking is dead at the start of the dungeon type shit

[mortal crag]

🙂

[steep osprey]

Blizzard fixes something bad, they work around it

I hate WoW players

Just stop

[mortal crag]

have u played enha stormbringer?

or nah?

[steep osprey]

Yeah

I have

[mortal crag]

ah fairs

so u just prestack 3 awakening storms and like 30+ maelstorm weapon

in dornogal

go key

put dummy

[steep osprey]

I know that

[mortal crag]

get 1 tempest going

from awakening storm

[steep osprey]

I thought that’s fixed for s3 tbh

[mortal crag]

oh for s3 i got no clue

but it still works rn

[steep osprey]

Tho

Ok

I know it does

[mortal crag]

cringe

[steep osprey]

I don’t mind it tbh but it can get annoying

At least it’s not something you have to think all the time like Ct

[mortal crag]

yes it is?

[steep osprey]

It’s just pre key insert

[mortal crag]

no

you have to maintain tempests between pulls

if u enter a pull with no tempest pre-stacked ur cucked

[steep osprey]

That’s normal to me

Its part of it

That’s fine

[mortal crag]

yeah u have to think about it all the time

[steep osprey]

CT is a lot more annoying than that lol

[mortal crag]

CT=collateral?

[steep osprey]

Yeah

[mortal crag]

Clap thunder :Chatting:

[steep osprey]

Tempest you just gotta pool them at the end of the pull for next

That’s very simple

Doesn’t take much thought

[mortal crag]

in that regard yes

but holding it between pulls/trying to minmax holding it as long as possible

like for example u cant REALLY hold a CT on certain pulls

like after 1st boss

on TOP

u cant really hold it cuz of roleplay etc

but u can technically cheese the shit out of tempest and maintain it for like a solid 45s lmao

[steep osprey]

You have to line up things for CT sometimes

[mortal crag]

yeah but u have to do it on tempest too, if u have a pwave coming up u send it before tempest

u presend tempests before ascendance

[steep osprey]

I still think that’s different than CT unless I’m just cooked

[mortal crag]

Ct is more active thinking

but tempest is more like

constant

[steep osprey]

I just have more experience with tempests so it’s second nature now

[mortal crag]

i have to remember collat every 30s ish and work around it, with tempest its literally THE ENTIRE SPEC

[steep osprey]

If you play it a bit you’ll get the hang of it though

And it’s not something you have to really think about

It’s like muscle memory

[mortal crag]

nah i rather play arms

at least im a warrior

:3

[steep osprey]

Bet

[mortal crag]

enha is cringe

so squishy

[steep osprey]

I’m thinking of maining a heal for raid next tier

[mortal crag]

+responsibilities

[steep osprey]

And some dps spec for m+

Could be the same class

[minor gust]

Frost dk owns to play

[steep osprey]

It does

Howling blast doing damage is a godsend

Been a while since it did

[tacit crystal]

not another season of death knight

i want to play giofiveseven

[steep osprey]

It’s inevitable

[minor gust]

spec actually functions smoothly instead of the cursed mess it is on livd

[steep osprey]

It’s not that different but it is a lot better

[minor gust]

your no longer ignoring half your shit thats a massive win

[steep osprey]

They should probably revert some of the buffs though

Especially the aura buff

And the obliterate one could be 15% instead

Glacial advance too

Should be fine

[mortal crag]

Chatting

[glass wolf]

Hey the guide says
"Arms multitarget rotation is made up of several abilities with short cooldowns and bloated by conditionals from what specific buffs are active to how many targets there are, making it somewhat complicated to follow to the letter."
but can i find those conditionals soemwhere?

[mortal crag]

yeah gl

we just spoke about it earlier

its mostly sweeping strikes and collateral damage

very very quick breakdown:
if 2 mobs and no sweeping strikes ur priority is:
mortal strike > OP > slam

if 3 mobs and sweeping strikes>
mortal strike > OP > cleave

if 3 mobs OR MORE and no sweeping strikes
cleave > OP > mortal strike

[verbal marten]

go to hell

[mortal crag]

only took what

10 tries TOTAL?

EVER?

maybe 12?

[glass wolf]

i would cleave on two targets no?

[verbal marten]

uhm

[glass wolf]

casue of fervor is simply stronger then slam?

[verbal marten]

psure ms is stronger

[glass wolf]

well its not about ms

[shadow ibex]

2 target no sweep is MS OP cleave

[glass wolf]

ye thought so

ngl arms is so button bloated

it feels like so badly or at least different designed from some other classes

[glass wolf]

like why i have to have redn and thunder clap, aswell as slam and cleave

[glass wolf]

seems correct

i mean that collossus is another button while sentinal for hutner isnt, show such a huge difference in philosophy between classes

we had 2 area buttons with kyrian and nightfae ind SL, make sentinel the same, hutner has like 4 buttons

instead its 2 season holding rapidfire cooldown for it 😄

[grim oasis]

most people just want to hit buttons and feel like those buttons do something impactful

[glass wolf]

and i feel like sweeping strikes could get deleted aswell and jsut built into CS or so

[grim oasis]

the recent reworks (ret, dk, hunter, shaman) have achieved that somewhat well

just pray its warriors turn soon.

[latent moss]

mostly dumb optimization tech

[glass wolf]

so many speccs/talent trees ar ejsut bloated

like nehnacer has at elast 1 system too much, dks have 10 buffs/debuffs

like not even about easy/hard i thinks it just bad design

friends and i want to play physical comb next season, but im not sure i would enjoy arms

[grim oasis]

Yeah on dk its pretty funny just touching a mob and seeing 10 different debuffs pop up

have to blacklist half the kit from my plater just to play the game

[glass wolf]

yep feral kinda same

and there its the same i dont think anyone enjoys adaptive swarm

why does it exist. bloodtalons at least has some historie and some people enjoy it, though i also think its not modern desing anymore

and if i ignore it in cooldowns it kinda defeats the prupose

rant over sry

[spiral coral]

What

[spiral coral]

I like my arms buttons

I don’t want to become BM Hunter

[spiral coral]

I can’t really disagree. Lot of nodes/branches that don’t make sense or you have to use something shitty to get to something good. Feel like there’s a lot of wonkiness still due to hero talents that will be, imo, impossible to smooth out perfectly. Overall they’ve done extremely well though.

[glass wolf]

my hot take is that the 3 option rows were the better system, they jsut didnt iterate on them

if they spend the same time on those then they do nowadays on talents they would be better

[latent moss]

same shit

with 3 per row system u just chose between stronger talents

its illusion of choice anyway but casuals like it

arms tree was horrendous in sl

u played the same build in all content

[glass wolf]

but i like if they change tuning and i play a bit of a different sepcc from time to time

and dont have 10 debuffs and buffs from didferent abilties

tbf some classes have like u do 10% more dmg etc but other like dk just give to "mobs take dmg, u gain dmg buff, thos gives mastery this gives haste etc

[inner wasp]

im down to 27 rolls to pity w/ 3 days left
this is downright doable

its not cope 😔

[slow saddle]

Tree is good now

Its a decent illusion

For most classes who has had it reworked a couple of times

Also arms is deffo not button bloated at all

Aoe rotation cleave>ms>op>tc

[elfin compass]

what ability would y'all macro Best-In-Slots to? I'm pretty new to warrior in general lmao

[slow saddle]

Cs

If u have a 1.5m trinket as well?

[elfin compass]

ye I do, I've had BiS macroed to bladestorm/ravager (it hasn't been working well) and I just havent been using my 1.5min trink in a macro, just have that shit on my actionbar

[slow saddle]

1.5m bound to avatar

Wb//cs for bis

Easiest.

[elfin compass]

big thanks

[slow saddle]

Ideally ofc bis has its own spot and u remember to push and shit

But lets be honest,who does🤣

[elfin compass]

if I can't remember to do that while playing my braindead Ret main, then I won't be able to remember it here lmao

[lofty pulsar]

Dumb question: is slayer just objectively bad in mythic+

[tacit crystal]

its worse than colossus but if you find slayer fun play it

[icy mulch]

It's actually decently fun, you're just missing out on Demolish.

[fresh spire]

[stone nymph]

quick question: wht is the best way to sim your toon for m+?

dungeon slice?

[inner wasp]

every morning when u wake up u have to flip a coin

if heads then dslice if tails then patchwerk x5

for the rest of that day

[stone nymph]

Instructions unclear...don't have a coin

[inner wasp]

use a nintendo switch 2

[stone nymph]

ewww

I'm a Nintendo hater

[inner wasp]

ppl be like "im a nintendo hater" when they're about to release game of the century Donkey Kong Bananza

says more about u

[stone nymph]

jokes aside...I'm still trying to understand which profile to use 😅

[sacred zodiac]

there is no best way

i personally just sim st and call it a day, ppl will probably come out and throw random time and target count combos

[wind flicker]

Lets see how arms does in the Gambit and Streets

[spiral coral]

same

If it’s an increase in st 99.9% of time it’s an increase in AoE as well

[shadow ibex]

Next 2 days off but out of shit to play

[fossil thistle]

Have you played other classes?

Or maybe I’ve just played arms for so long it doesn’t feel bloated

[shadow ibex]

its gets bloaty with sks

and the aoe set up is like 18 key presses

if that counts as bloated

[minor kraken]

Can't wait for s3, another season if mediocrity 🙃

[wind flicker]

Can confirm

Very mediocre

[shadow ibex]

we really need some TLC

the frost dk changes give me some hope at least

getting an off GCD spender, making frostscythe clearly the aoe button as opposed to the arms warrior mashing cleave and MS on CD at 2 target and 8 target wit

getting rid of setting up your aoe with no more dnd cleaving strikes

pillar of frost grants remorseless winter instead of needing to spend globals setting that up

let CS grant sweeping strikes

[minor kraken]

Like how is it that we have spear of bastion which is a great ability fantasywise and was fun to use.

The last time we played it was during SL. Like what's the point of leaving it there if they won't tune it to be competitive. Like hell make it a CC for mobs like the dudu ability or something.

Clueless devs

[rare kite]

sure the last time arms played it was SL. fury played it for all of dragonflight in raid

fury also played it in s1 tww on st

but yes it should be made into a utility ability

[minor kraken]

Like if they were so worried about spear being busted why not give us banner from Necro as a support utility option.

[shadow ibex]

it should just be ursols

instead of that being a unique ability for 1 class

[minor kraken]

Yeah that's what i meant

[shadow ibex]

we've said this before its nothing new

it would be fine spot to throw in warrior utility, an already weak pot

[spiral coral]

Mediocre?? Arms owns.

[candid pecan]

I will play warrior in raid and m+ no matter what

[spiral coral]

Like, Arms needs shit sure. But we’re a good ass spec, period. Calling it mediocre is bullshit lol

[candid pecan]

we might complain now

but in 1 week from now (2-3 days)

after the 10% aura buff

we'll be singing

[charred brook]

I wouldn’t say we are a good spec

It’s gotten very bland

Tuning wise we are good sure

But there’s so much that can be done with the spec to make it not bland

I love it and I will continue to play it because it’s just my favorite but it’s definitely a mid spec rn

[shadow ibex]

that's just every patch since like legion

get 6-12% aura 2 weeks before/after raid open

worst case is CN where we didnt get it until like prog was over

[candid pecan]

well since we cant expect any reworks, I jsut want the tuning to be decent

[shadow ibex]

fingers crossed it isnt abberus and we aren't competing with whatever the worst evoker spec was then

[shadow ibex]

that's what ive realized this tier. the jugg gameplay is just toxic to engage with 3 hours a night. if it was a fun spec wiping to sproc wouldnt be so bad but wiping to him at 12% while also losing jug extendo at like 36.4%

just kill me

[charred brook]

Any time RNG is involved I start getting pissy anyways

Like

If my parse entirely depends on wether or not I got lucky with sudden death

That pisses me off

[shadow ibex]

people loved SL tho

and that was just enduring blow gamba

i think this is always gonna be rng spec but atm its in the depths of the depths of hell

[pastel stag]

I miss tomb of sargeras arms

[shadow ibex]

I liked SL and colossus atm in ST

I think if colossus has higher MS reset or battle lord proc rate inside CS it would feel super smooth just MSing back to back

Ms op ms op feels really good

[warm fog]

Jugg is bad because it’s the worst kind of RNG good = good damage. A buff you desperately try to keep up is way worse than like ele shaman where you just proc an ascendance

One is a nice dopamine hit, the other is anxiety and eventual disappointment

[shadow ibex]

jugg leads to anger

https://tenor.com/view/fear-is-the-path-to-the-dark-side-fear-leads-to-anger-anger-leads-to-hate-hate-leads-to-suffering-fear-leads-to-anger-anger-leads-to-hate-hate-leads-to-suffering-gif-13858055100705051300

hating other dps because they not pushing fast enough

why the fuck isnt mug at 35 yet type shit

[minor kraken]

SL is peak warrior gameplay imo

[shadow ibex]

if demolish was like AA we'd pretty much have it

press MS on CD

OP really good button

no combo

[spiral coral]

Tbh I’ve been in and out of wow communities throughout the years (discord doesn’t show when originally joined servers anymore if you leave) and this one is by far the best. Weirdly enough, that’s what keeps me playing my warriors. These fucking weirdos in here.

[dim basalt]

Yeah this one is pretty good

On other servers you sometimes hear that the warrior discord is full of dickheads and whatever but sometimes you cant help it

When people ask very common questions that have been answered just a few messages higher up

[shadow ibex]

the worst question you get is do i need rend and tclap

[dim basalt]

Its also insane when people try to argue stuff theres nothing to argue about

[shadow ibex]

if its not that it was do i need to rend in exe in shadowlands. always this damn rend guy

[dim basalt]

And I find it confusing how many people refuse to use the search function

Like a lot of questions are answered faster by looking it up

[latent moss]

facts

[fossil thistle]

Legion was pretty solid I think.

[shadow ibex]

them giving frost DK off gcd tool gives me hope for something like legion

i didnt play legion but i would love focused rage

[fossil thistle]

Didn’t play enough of SL to experience other covenants, just played Venthyr on launch and developed a broken key spamming execute so much lol

[shadow ibex]

or heroic strike praise be his name

[fossil thistle]

Focused rage was ass

Hated it, 7.1 rework was good

[shadow ibex]

i like off gcd stuff + tact 🤷‍♂️

that cost rage*

[fossil thistle]

It just felt bad to play

Fury was goat though at the time I loved. The arms rework though… haven’t touched fury since 7.1 lol

[shadow ibex]

we used IP in df so i can see why

gotta get 2 uses in cs cuz 11 sec cd and p much use on cd was kinda toxic

[fossil thistle]

Yea

Kinda hated that in DF

[shadow ibex]

i think colossus has a use for something like that now tho

just gotta figure out if its longish cd like erw is 45 sec

anything to not press slam and use op/ms more

[fossil thistle]

I’d just like arms to have heroic strike back as a proc instead of SD, and remove that randomness

Then you don’t feel bad when you get no procs for 3min

[shadow ibex]

i guess theres cleave cuz ur always playing colossus in aoe

probably real answer

[fossil thistle]

Cleave somwtimes meme

[spiral coral]

I pressed cleave 272 times my last dungeon

Not enough

[latent moss]

venthyr was so shit

condemn spam

[latent moss]

legion best iteration

[shadow ibex]

it was bait honestly

[fossil thistle]

It was, didn’t enjoy it that’s why I stopped playing in SL until the end

[shadow ibex]

it did no dmg in s1 at least idk s3

[fossil thistle]

Condemn was kinda fun in pvp though ngl

[shadow ibex]

war was nutty in s1 pvp

[strange perch]

@latent moss i am drinking an infinite amount of high fructose cornsyrup until i die or something interesting happens

[latent moss]

condemn + death sentence

[latent moss]

mongoose bite meta when

[strange perch]

4 more weeks of ptr surely they buff it 😛

Even if they doubled the stampede damage for survival bm would still deal more with it cuz for them its tied to bestial wrath (like 25sec cd) while for surv its tied to ca (1min cd)

@latent moss are you adcended in valorant

[latent moss]

no im omega washed

[sacred moon]

Does arms look promising for m+ next season?

or warrior at all

[shadow ibex]

looks a lot like it does now

tier is the only change we've gotten so if you like it now probably like it in .2 m+

MS crits fuck with the crit debuff

demolish hits hard

[sacred moon]

Aright thank you, been away for a good while since IRL so havent been up to date

[teal fossil]

You have to press sks

That’s basically the main diff rotationally

And a bit more emphasis on ms in aoe

[shadow ibex]

cd to sweeping also maybe?