3% isnt very noticable vs 8. Comparitively as a raid buff sure they may be "balanced" but 3% to all casters when dh missing is a little less of a screw over to logging than missing monk buff for warrior 
#arms
fresh spire
smoky kayak
and arguably, phys comps suffer the most in M+ atm anyway
sharp wyvern
also skyfury is also there
fresh spire
monk missing? dont even try to remotely log this week
sharp wyvern
but thats already the case
smoky kayak
^
sharp wyvern
we didnt have a mage on reclear today cause everyone was on alts
minor gust
and arguably, phys comps suffer the most in M+ atm anyway
imo they 100% did that cuz they noticed Phys comp being an actual thing and wanna do everything they can to keep it existing
sharp wyvern
you think any casters were parsing?
teal fossil
imo they 100% did that cuz they noticed Phys comp being an actual thing and wann...
think its a bit of A and B
mystic touch being the 2nd worst buff in the game
and then to prop up phys comps
minor gust
this has been an amazing M+ season for balance wise
smoky kayak
imo they 100% did that cuz they noticed Phys comp being an actual thing and wann...
I think that's probably part of it yeah, wanting to encourage more
but it's also about the raid-wide dam contribution, because they were entirely correct about it not providing as much across a raid as Chaos Brand
minor gust
have 2 completely different comps existing is insane
fresh spire
having a 3% swing vs rng likely still keeps you in a radius that you could still potentially log/ at least orange log.
smoky kayak
Mystic Touch would need to be 10%+ to do as much as Brand at 3%, across a typical raid group
fresh spire
remove both those buffs 😠
smoky kayak
also fwiw, 5->8% is actually only +2.8% 🤓
fresh spire
just make classes give some stats instead
sharp wyvern
how do you feel about kill times influincing parses
latent moss
nature of parses
smoky kayak
how do you feel about post-release raid buffs, encounter hotfixes, and surprise raid tuning influencing parses? 
not to mention throwing out pretty much all the work done ahead of release
sharp wyvern
based on what he said regarding monk buff he should hate that bosses have different kill times if someone dies early
smoky kayak
well I think that's a gameplay issue, not a design one
fresh spire
nerfing boss + 18% damage buff is bruh
smoky kayak
even if it's a pretty common gameplay issue
sharp wyvern
how do you feel about post-release raid buffs, encounter hotfixes, and surprise ...
stacking dmg buff every 2 weeks 
smoky kayak
I do think this raid was overnerfed, not because of the stacking raid buff, but in combination with the enchants, belt, etc
fresh spire
tap on some borrowed power for another 5% free damage
sharp wyvern
nerfing boss + 18% damage buff is bruh
i wouldnt mind it but the turbo boost on top of that is insane
sharp wyvern
ye
smoky kayak
even though I only had to buy one thing 
minor gust
I think its fine and tbh idc about ppl slowly not respecting parses anymore cuz the constant mini raid buffs
smoky kayak
tbf the community is a little too parse crazy to begin with
minor gust
yeah
sharp wyvern
i stopped giving a shit this season
minor gust
they need to be toned back a lil
same with the M+ pug community
really needs to chill
sharp wyvern
especially since the degen strats on bandit
smoky kayak
Blizz has been trying to... not really kill parsing, but at least inject more randomness and diversity between players for years; move away from every player being an exact carbon copy of each other with the same gear/talents/build/rotation
inner wasp
turns out im a dps again after all next season
excited to find a way to get kicked by archi again
sharp wyvern
at least we got to the world where everyone has BiS and nothing depends on gear
god forbid you get a mechanic tho
teal fossil
Blizz has been trying to... not really kill parsing, but at least inject more ra...
i mean is that really possible?
smoky kayak
to a degree yeah
teal fossil
theres always going to be an optimal rotation
and talents
and gear is just a math problem
smoky kayak
sure there's an optimal goal but that doesn't mean it's easily obtainable
teal fossil
and talents
optimal talents given any fight
smoky kayak
- gear sets are a lot more varied now than they used to be
- there's are a lot more very rare items, cantrips, and more difficulties which further shake up gearing
- there are still cookie cutter talent builds, but even then players routinely make small deviations
- hero talents also play into that, even if there is often one generally accepted "better" performer, there are situations in which both may be played
pre-BfA was a lot more static than it is now
smoky kayak
only at the start, because of legendaries and artifact power, but by the end it was pretty cookie cutter too
teal fossil
SL i felt like everyone did the same shit
olive nest
I kinda like static logs ngl
teal fossil
cuz the SL leggos are just tuned poorly
olive nest
It’s nice to compare yourself against others
smoky kayak
I kinda like static logs ngl
ofc you do, all power players and parse chasers do
sharp wyvern
there is a reason people hated azerite armour
smoky kayak
but it is also pretty boring
sharp wyvern
cause it was all rng procs
smoky kayak
na, the real reason they hated azerite power is because of the acquisition and the repetition
olive nest
I loved artifact power
smoky kayak
artifact power was conceptually fine, the issue was the acquisition fomo
smoky kayak
a few hardcore players decide to farm their lives away and get 1 higher level, suddenly everyone freaks out because they don't have it too, even though the practical value was largely insignificant
smoky kayak
that wasn't actually artifact power, that was a corruption
latent moss
had to just send the clip anyway
smoky kayak
also Gromnak is kinda 
on a good day
olive nest
(Gromnak is great content btw)
smoky kayak
also true
minor gust
Good Gromnak clips actually never get old
sharp wyvern
this is everybody when their trinket doesnt proc as much as the other warrior
sharp wyvern
get pushed out of the guild
fresh spire
warbreaker PARRY GET ME THE FUCK OUT
sharp wyvern
its fixed
minor gust
WAH WAH WARBREAKER PARRY GET ME THE FUCK OUT
fresh spire
sharp wyvern
https://youtu.be/IHEWfuAV1fg?t=3
the heavy breathing lmao
fresh spire
its so good
olive nest
Soulrender intervenes the tank
latent moss
IM WALKING IN BURSTING OUT THE CASTLE DOORS
minor gust
YOU'RE SELLING BREAD IN THE ALLEY FUCK YOU
latent moss
https://youtu.be/IHEWfuAV1fg?t=3
nah theres a better one
minor gust
actually havent seen that one
sharp wyvern
he actually looked happy for a second there
thick kelp
yall missing the weakaura
latent moss
u dont get to play the game straight up
thick kelp
sharp wyvern
should make it crit
latent moss
id rather see it get parried
than not crit ngl
prob more dps loss from it not critting than getting parried
considering arms crit damage steroids
smoky kayak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdkxBz67BQo
til fruit vendors sell bread
bronze tiger
til fruit vendors sell bread
best they can do is tortillas
grim oasis
Prot warrior tier
?
smoky kayak
love me a good tortilla
bronze tiger
love me a good tortilla
minor gust
P Tier
olive nest
Tier
grim oasis
bronze tiger
wasnt this season a pwar tier?
strange perch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km-mZplvTSY
crude fulcrum
How is raiding looking for Arms and Fury so far?
mortal crag
any giga arms that can check my breakdown on a 19 rook
and tell me if MOST of my issues is just not optimizing pre-stacks between pulls etc?
(most as in, thats the biggest minmax to do, since i know sometimes my opener might not be optimal etc and those are things im aware of/working on)
preferrably Kurim
latent moss
any giga arms that can check my breakdown on a 19 rook
and tell me if MOST of my...
get farover to review it 
bronze tiger
There's no greater betrayal than when a Zyn randomly poisons you instead of making you feel good
iron ibex
hm?
latent moss
any giga arms that can check my breakdown on a 19 rook
and tell me if MOST of my...
.
time to reveal secret tech
mortal crag
hm?
learning arms for the last week or two and i wanna know things that im doing wrong OUTSIDE of just holding pre-stacks properly
also for example how the fuck can u prestack dungeons like floodgate/workshop/priory? can you even?
mortal crag
time to reveal secret tech <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
frfr
we need a farover guide/key POVs on youtube
both biz and crit last vids are like 17s from 2 months ago
sick leaf
What do you guys mean by pre-stack
mortal crag
im timing 19s and most of the time my damage is fine (green logs, sometimes blue), but i wanna genuinely blawst
blast
mortal crag
What do you guys mean by pre-stack
you can pre-stack collateral damage + colossal might before key starts
so u can enter first pack with 10 stacks colossal and 10-12 stacks collat
sick leaf
Gotcha
mortal crag
pop cds, drop a fucking nuke
latent moss
so u can enter first pack with 10 stacks colossal and 10-12 stacks collat
u can get a lot more than 10-12 no
sick leaf
And have everything turn to nuke you 🙂
mortal crag
i mean fuck me how much would i get more?
15?
12 is with no BL and full uptime
and with no shenanigans
if we remember to BL i get like 15 i guess KEKW
sick leaf
Yea I just feel like that is not a total game changer
mortal crag
its like 10-15% dps increase on first pull
latent moss
on top of not having to waste globals stacking demo
i mean u arent wasting but u kinda are
sick leaf
And that impacts your overall materially at the end?
mortal crag
yes?
latent moss
yes
mortal crag
outside of the gigantic first pull, it also sets u up to continue pre-stacking next pulls
latent moss
100% not worth doing unless u need to
mortal crag
i mean, at 19s id rather make our timer be as lenient as possible
latent moss
by need to i mean +19s 20s 21s and shit
sick leaf
I always want to do more damage. I’m in 17s
sick leaf
Start learning now
mortal crag
now we have fucking 3 cb20s 
need a farover interview
literally 0 high m+ content from the past 2-3 weeks
iron ibex
learning arms for the last week or two and i wanna know things that im doing wro...
I will send u some wall of text i send if i get a question about min maxing
Not a guide, but some tips i guess
mortal crag
thats good
ill take that
like i check dmg breakdowns and my % damage is fine, but my stuff just hits for less lmao
i compared some of my logs with you and like your cleaves literally deal double my damage
so it HAS to be pre-stacking, hitting more with cleave (like aiming it better ig) etc etc
latent moss
I will send u some wall of text i send if i get a question about min maxing
Not ...
is it possible to prestack with avatar for even more collat
BRO IMAGINE
mortal crag
inb4 farover does some janky shit and gets fucking 30 stacks
latent moss
i think biz covered that in his prestacking video
mortal crag
nuke 50mil, die to aggro
yeah i need to finish watching that but I REALLY cba doing GIGA shenanigans
latent moss
haste flask
mortal crag
depends if key is resil or not
iron ibex
thats good
well i believe what i sent u will help u more than me checking logs
because the conclusion will be same anyway
and also I'm not best at doing that and it takes ages
mortal crag
conclusion is "git gud"
iron ibex
also for example how the fuck can u prestack dungeons like floodgate/workshop/pr...
U can do in floodgate if ur tank is fast at stacking next pull.
You can do in workshop if ur tank is REALLY fast but i cba, tried it couple times ages ago and it felt annoying
Also u probably won't hit all mobs with empowered cleave anyway cuz they wont be stacked yet
I don't think u can in priory
Maybe in some super old routes where u played knight etc
Lust + Warbreaker to get stacks before key
U can even have a target sub 35% for extra 10% haste or even equip haste gear then change before key
I only do the first two, sometimes only WB cuz lust cd
mortal crag
yeah i usually lust warbreaker
thats it really
u do dummies or mobs?
i tried dummies and melding but i insta get back in to combat cuz of dots and it fucks up
ancient scroll
dots wont put you in combat
have to walk a few steps away from the dummies before melding
only dungeon you need to pre-stack with mobs is cinder
any other use dummies
in cinder you pull 3 patrons if you dont have lust, 5 if you do
press slam a few times so the mobs dont die too quick
near radish
i made my warrior last week how many runs does fyralath take fresh these days?
sour forge
i made my warrior last week how many runs does fyralath take fresh these days?
14-15 for 100%
I think it was 15
sour forge
14-15 for 100%
On heroic or higher
near radish
so myth not faster?
latent moss
so myth not faster?
myth like 4
or 5
but it can drop as personal loot but idk about the drop chance for that
minor gust
just get it on your first try ez
regal dragon
hows testin gone for arms in ptr?
minor gust
vast helm
serene fable
New to warrior in TWW. Having fun with colossus arms. Outside of tuning, what’s on the warrior wishlist for a rework? Been seeing lots jokes about the rework we’ve been waiting on coming in midnight now lol
broken cove
obviously im aware things are subject to change but is there a place i can look to see what raid testing dps is like by class so i can send it to a friend
fierce pebble
New to warrior in TWW. Having fun with colossus arms. Outside of tuning, what’s ...
fury's improved whirlwind needs to be redone, mostly. either that or give fury's burst AoE back.
a second suggestion is changing Champion's Spear into a mob grouping tool instead of a burst damage tool.
bronze tiger
is finger one the top or bottom ring
fierce pebble
TOP
serene fable
Gotcha. Doesn’t seem to major. Nothing from an arms perspective?
minor gust
Season 3 DF tier set added as a talent, Jugg removed or reworked, Reap works with WW, SKS deleted, Demolish reworked to not be a cringe no move channel.
rotund lake
Got CE down in a 1 night a week guild lfg
minor gust
bronze tiger
what are you guys simming for right now?
im noticing our m+ sim is like 500k lower than our st
dire hinge
unless you're in AoE talents trying to sim Patchwerk 🤔
wise hare
New to arms, what are we supposed to do when avatar doesn't line up with col smash and demolish. Am I doing something wrong
bronze tiger
if your AOE is simming lower than ST
i just saying its 500k lower between the two, which i have multiple classes 670+ and they are much closer
boreal hawk
try to pair avatar always with warbreaker/colossus smash, you will never have always avatar up when using colossus or warbreaker, so just send it in that case, but track the cooldown of avatar and colossus/warbreaker because when avatar is up you want to use it with warbreaker/colossus most likely (or just 2-3 seconds after u used warbreaker) @wise hare
wise hare
Thanks. Will track. I kinda hate cdr on avatar, wish it was more like other specs where they have 1.5 min cds and 45 sec cds that always line up naturally
olive nest
the only boss i need to rekill was sprocket and thats the only one we arent doing this week 😄
hollow wave
a second suggestion is changing Champion's Spear into a mob grouping tool instea...
That would actually be very nice
serene hollow
surely a class tree rework in 12.0
untold thorn
when i spam to fast, its feels like the GCD have reaset but my ability have some delay to go off. i saw a post about this on reddit to, anyone have the same feeling?
near radish
dumb q, same consumables next season or we gotta craft/buy new shit?
broken arrow
when i spam to fast, its feels like the GCD have reaset but my ability have some...
Yeah, mostly in raids. I'm guessing the combination of high haste, button mashing and having an old PC is causing issues.
slow saddle
It is prob delay, depends a bit on frames + internet and delay u put on
hollow wave
I am not sure if I should be happy or not with this mystic touch buff
slow saddle
Sad
For raid
Prob glad for m+
As ap + touch together makes warrior more likely to be in comp
In pugs
hollow wave
Looks like it's gonna be the legendary weapon problem, if you have it, you do the same damage as other classes, if you don't have, you are bad
slow saddle
Mby not meta but still
Oh it will
And also u want resto sham
🤣
Also atm we arent doin the same dmg
So dno what u talkin bout
🥲
balmy kindle
Glad I have a fixed team this and probably next season Feels good pushing towards 17 even if off meta
quaint otter
dim basalt
balmy kindle
TBF no need meta unless pushing towards 20
dim basalt
Im trying to think about a comp we could do
As I will reroll to WW maybe pwar rdruid ww rogue hunt
Cant use rsham because then we dont have brezz
rogue could also play sham which is probably better
balmy kindle
Honestly for us a viable comp will likely involve shaman , with a prot Pala or druid tank for b rez
dim basalt
ppal is paper on ptr
balmy kindle
Ik, my tank ain't too happy about it, but he hopes he can play brew or prot war
dim basalt
Deal damage like a dps but also die like one
balmy kindle
But if he goes prot war I will need to play dh since the other 2 is arcane and warlock
dim basalt
Brew is for sure a safe bet, I can see pwar getting nerfs
balmy kindle
Hopefully brews good , makes comp building alot easier
At least, there will be some variety instead of the constant magic / caster comps we have
quaint otter
As I will reroll to WW maybe pwar rdruid ww rogue hunt
Ww is sus
dim basalt
Ww is sus
I cba playing tank
WW is not really that bad
Just has the issue that they can get downtime if no procs
dim basalt
Nah if you dont get any procs at all you definitely get downtime
In longer aoe situations
But thats also kinda rare
inner wasp
do the balance changes at all effect which hero talent u play in which content next patch
inner wasp
is it still colo m+ slayer raid
balmy kindle
Yes
inner wasp
let execute be cleave call it execleave and let me play slayer in m+
thick kelp
dim basalt
inner wasp
hi walhe im ur #1 fan
steep osprey
I’m #2
swift crown
@thick kelp you guys do testing?
fresh spire
latent hull
let execute be cleave call it execleave and let me play slayer in m+
hits every target in in 10 yard radius
uncapped
thick kelp
<@865605822638063647> you guys do testing?
idk im guildless
My prev guild had 4fun non mandatory testing
dim basalt
Why guildless 
swift crown
void bay
https://tenor.com/view/lenny-confetti-stare-staring-stare-cat-cat-gif-1194853617...
Capybara betrayed by cat
dim basalt
Capybara betrayed by cat
Cant be angry at Evil Tangyuan
thick kelp
Why guildless <:critcake:984549832511344640>
Irlmaxxing for now
dim basalt
damn
fresh spire
Again? Sheeeah
quaint otter
Irlmaxxing for now
lunch in Europe
swift crown
Arms is Fire
slow saddle
man 0.8% whipe on oab today
we are gettin there but jesus we are carrying dead weight
steep osprey
damn
fresh spire
slow saddle
it should be easy, but like when ppl are doing bad dmg in gen
slow saddle
on that try i was top dmg
😦
which makes it even sadder
tbh we had 3 ppl die to being run over by boss while lightning was up
coz tank kindda did his own move but still 😄
dreamy sandal
New to warrior in TWW. Having fun with colossus arms. Outside of tuning, what’s ...
Honestly its mostly our upfront burst thats the problem right now. Its good, but takes a bit to long to set up. Other specs can do our burst in far fewer steps. Some major points I would like to see is for example,
- Colossal might stacks being easier to stack up.
- Demolish applying the warbreaker effect on everything it hits, before the damage step.
- Sweeping strikes not being on the GCD
dreamy sandal
New to warrior in TWW. Having fun with colossus arms. Outside of tuning, what’s ...
Otherwise its just general warrior stuff, like taking a look at our utility and buffing it (Rallying cry being better in 5 man content, AoE Fear being usable), or giving us something unique that would make groups want us (Lust, speed buffs, something more than what we have now idk)
Spear of bastion becoming a grouping/chain ability (altough unlikely as the dks would hate us), would go pretty hard.
steep osprey
Man, fuck DKs
jade ember
idk man they already out here still fighting for a raid buff I feel for them a lil
if they got one Blizz could be a little less conservative with giving other people grip effects tho ig
fresh spire
https://tenor.com/view/stare-gif-21412044
sacred zodiac
man 0.8% whipe on oab today
Wouldve killed it if warr had Lust or a 2 sec cast time melee range cr
thick kelp
Again? Sheeeah
Retired alc at work
astral yarrow
Retired alc at work
Cya needs a warrior 
dreamy sandal
if they got one Blizz could be a little less conservative with giving other peop...
Yeah true, lets pump up that #GripIsNotaRaidBuff
serene fable
Honestly its mostly our upfront burst thats the problem right now. Its good, but...
Appreciate the perspective. In the short time I’ve been playing warrior I can agree to all of these. Would be welcome changes
thick kelp
Cya needs a warrior <:ratge:890357732543168594>
Why does every guild you play in always need a warrior
swift crown
Aagard professional ditcher
astral yarrow
Why does every guild you play in always need a warrior <a:chatting:1266019851743...
Cause both me and their second warrior gquit 
astral yarrow
I cant do the 3 chars and everything else when i work fulltime with gf and a shepherd dog, so ill play in sabotage till i die
thick kelp
jade ember
Man the whole Death Grip thing is such a meme sometimes. I had to main swap to DK for my guild to be able to do Aggramar back in the day.
storm lark
2 day guild 0 splits>>>
fresh spire
2 day guild 0 splits>>>
Real
thick kelp
6 day guild 7 splits>>>
swift crown
Clear normal+ 7/8 heroic 1 day then get hardstuck stix day 2
swift crown
Oh sure 2x3 bit diffy
thick kelp
might need it all for norm + hc
dim basalt
might need it all for norm + hc
Correct
swift crown
But raiding 2x4 without split in my old guild would have been
Legit banging head against wall for 3+ hours
thick kelp
2x4 certainly a split angle
dim basalt
If your guild is really good you could do 1 split with 2x3
thick kelp
And splits are just free loot for 0 effort in the end
storm lark
We did day 1 normal + hc until bandit with a few lootbodies.
Day 2 finish hc go to mythic kill vexie and a few pull on cauldron.
thick kelp
Especially just 1 split
swift crown
We did day 1 normal + hc until bandit with a few lootbodies.
Day 2 finish hc go...
Yea could just be an efficiency diff
We did 2 splits normal and both splits to Bandit day 1
Then we decided to play it safe and send mains on last few bosses
Which still is an insane tier diff
thick kelp
30man ansurek with 7 mains was an experience in s1
thick kelp
3 characters still fun territory
astral yarrow
did 3 warriors first tier and then started switching out 1 alt
so 2 warrs 1 rogue and swapped the rogue to enh the tier after and so on
thick kelp
I think the best part of splits, is the new expac launch, leveling them all and prepping them for raids from outdoor content/hc dungeons
dim basalt
Are Normal splits ever relevant?
dim basalt
So mostly just trinkets + rare items
thick kelp
Yes
eager sigil
also just tier the first week
fresh spire
2x3 hours bis
swift crown
kinda sweet getting more experience on a boss on mirrors early
Okay relax I play Warrior Evoker Lock
fresh spire
Mostly ride the nerfs though. Get to stix boss nerfed as we get there
Get to sprocket nerfed as we get there.
Bandit nerfed 2nd raid
swift crown
maybe unpopular opinion
but I prefer playing bosses when they're harder
if I pass my trial I'll think about mirrors...
fresh spire
3 day guilds that aren't cranking must feel fucking miserable spending time on bosses to have them nerfed day after
Think most do
I dont mind bosses being hard. When they aren't bullshit like sprocket
Love me a weakaura solving boss
thick kelp
if I pass my trial I'll think about mirrors...
Mirrors comfy, alts fun
fresh spire
Sprocket honestly probs "hardest" boss in raid now
astral yarrow
Okay relax I play Warrior Evoker Lock
filthy ranged man
swift crown
Sprocket honestly probs "hardest" boss in raid now
Sprocket dies before it does a single relevant mechanic
(The suckin with wide beams)
astral yarrow
but I prefer playing bosses when they're harder
thats the only reason i wanted to get up the rankings. Still got tindral to 6% tuesday and killed it in 10 pulls wednesday post nerf :))))))
dim basalt
Sprocket dies before it does a single relevant mechanic
As if bad guilds do that much damage
fresh spire
Wipe more to bombs not being soaked as weakaura boss than actual brains
latent moss
echo of neltharion was peak wa boss
dim basalt
storm lark
This raid was missing a good ST boss
fresh spire
I quite enjoyed nelth
rare kite
nelth was just bingchilling as melee til p3
quaint otter
echo of neltharion was peak wa boss
Also dps stop?
storm lark
Couldnt have been any better for melee ST
Theres nothing to do on sprocket as a melee u just afk and hit boss
dim basalt
Theres nothing to do on sprocket as a melee u just afk and hit boss
Sounds enjoyable to me
quaint otter
rare kite
im thinking more kyveza
always got 2nd charge. might have been a good boss but wasn't for me coz of that
fresh spire
Magmorax was such a weird boss. Insanely easy as a concept. My guild just liked to be shit
fresh spire
astral yarrow
Kyveza when you got terrorists in intermission with lines
being the people with 2 melee in their pizza slice was spicy during prog
hollow plover
being the people with 2 melee in their pizza slice was spicy during prog
i got ordered to sit on top of both tanks due to too many melee
died every time
astral yarrow
at least the dh i was with was giga good at seeing shit going wrong and using fel rush to make space
weak rain
i got ordered to sit on top of both tanks due to too many melee
I was placed alone, cuz "warrior squishy" KEKW
hollow plover
I was placed alone, cuz "warrior squishy" KEKW
unreal halo
tall pawn
Lol
rare kite
I was placed alone, cuz "warrior squishy" KEKW
tbf it was kinda true in s1 for arms overall. just not true on intermission for kyveza coz of sr
weak rain
tbf it was kinda true in s1 for arms overall. just not true on intermission for ...
Yea, but raid leader didn't know that SR deflects 1 charge completely
rare kite
yee, bingchilling
near radish
two questions, if you have stacks of collat is it worth sending it in ST (i.e., its on a boss and you are losing it anyway)
And, consumables - do we get new ones next szn?
rare kite
two questions, if you have stacks of collat is it worth sending it in ST (i.e., ...
yes to the first one depending on amount of collat stacks. there's a meld potion coming next season and i think a new health potion(someone correct me here)
left tundra
hey guys, are there any rules of thumb regarding asynchronous CD's for arms in m+? e.g. if avatar has less than 20 seconds hold your warbreaker for it?
dim basalt
hey guys, are there any rules of thumb regarding asynchronous CD's for arms in m...
Just send stuff
20 seconds is almost enough for you to get warbreaker back up
quaint otter
hey guys, are there any rules of thumb regarding asynchronous CD's for arms in m...
Wb will be back in 20 secs due to am also avatar is 20 sec duration can send it if wb is 20 sec away easily
left tundra
same for ravager, roar etc?
eager nexus
Blizzard not communicating with their players and pushing out stuff that is universally against what players want shows they need more layoffs
quaint otter
olive nest
We reviewed all of our data collection for mythic dungeon testing and found that players tend to prefer hitting 5 or less targets so we’re removing all mobs that serve no purpose other than to hit the tank.
hexed snow
spring ruin
is there only one new min five cd trinket?
olive nest
Yeah and it’s a 1sec channel
hexed snow
They heard from someone that 1.5min trinkets sucks so they reduced the amount of 1.5 min trinkets
eager nexus
Like I legit don't get where their attitude of their job is promised and they can just continue to ignore playerbase and do the things people don't like.
olive nest
Yeah blizzard is just on some shit
Apparently it’s a problem that we macro 1.5mins to avatar and have an easier time in life
olive nest
Right
olive nest
It’s not a really big issue but it’s like a come on guys really?? Annoying thing
ancient scroll
6 gcds before we start doin damage
olive nest
Apparently a dev noticed the more casual players macroing avatar and cs together with trinket and potion
ancient scroll
It’s not a really big issue but it’s like a come on guys really?? Annoying thing
Exactly haha
olive nest
To much qol gotta make it more annoying
ancient scroll
Casual players will macro it to their other cds and not even realize it isnt being presssed
shadow ibex
Wait something change with trinkets?
olive nest
No just that the only 1.5min trinket next tier has a 1 second channel and costs a gcd
dim basalt
brittle pelican
No just that the only 1.5min trinket next tier has a 1 second channel and costs ...
was puzzlebox longer?
rare kite
was puzzlebox longer?
yes
olive nest
Yes and was equally annoying
hexed snow
So double equip next szn?
olive nest
Double passive season for sure
Unless it’s drastically behind
Vault will give me myth track shit channel trinket first week you watch
eager nexus
We should go do a picket line outside blizz hq
hexed snow
Vault will give me first week
Hmmm
Weapon
I'm Lowkey not feeling next season
Season 1 so far was still the best imo
Was fury, but the nerfs really got me
spring ruin
wait we will still have delve funhouse lens prob right?
olive nest
8 runs of the fastest one and move on with life
Don’t even bother with the keys just play for vault luck
olive nest
over 500 plus done
Insane!
spring ruin
I had to check , 774
between alts haha
not much else to do when waiting in que for m plus invites pugging
fresh spire
New delve trinket is op currently
Also like 3 dungeon trinkets that are pretty good too
bronze tiger
i wish warrior didnt feel like ass in keys
olive nest
We’ll get to skullsplitter soon
bronze tiger
theyre taking away spell reflect from us too because "its too OP"
bronze tiger
how is ww better than cleave
i wanna hit more than 2 enemies
lunar remnant
I'm Lowkey not feeling next season
Quit halfway through S2 (bc my girl had our baby) but I see no reason to come back P3 with how things are looking on PTR
latent moss
cleave hits more than 2 enemies what
bronze tiger
I have two possible solutions to this issue:
Have cleave baseline replace whirlwind for arms warrior and remove the cleave talent (or change it to something else).
Include whirlwind in the hero talents and make the cleave talent a choice node to change whirlwind to cleave and some buff to whirlwind so players can have a choice
latent moss
i agree that having to talent into cleave is stupid but cleave>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ww all day
teal fossil
theyre taking away spell reflect from us too because "its too OP"
Spell reflect it’s not going away
It’s spell block
bronze tiger
which is like a % of what spell reflect currently is, no?
teal fossil
No
bronze tiger
i thought they were giving us 2 talents in replacement of it
olive nest
Big glad that cleave replaces WW
teal fossil
It’s spell block for prot warrior
olive nest
Imagine having to juggle both
bronze tiger
ah its only a pwar change?
bronze tiger
not a dps warrior?
teal fossil
yes
bronze tiger
that makes sense, i was half asleep watching some video for it last night
teal fossil
we love being angry about things we dont understand
teal fossil
i agree that having to talent into cleave is stupid but cleave>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ww...
they just really need to make WW interact with slightly more things
that cleave is already interacting with
but overall i think having to talent cleave isnt the end of the world
every spec has to talent into AOE
latent moss
just remove ww
and make cleave baseline
fury should have imp ww baseline too
having absolutely 0 aoe
without talenting into it is stupid
minor gust
Anyone else notice this man said cleave only hits 2 targets and that's why it's bad vs WW?
olive nest
latent moss
Anyone else notice this man said cleave only hits 2 targets and that's why it's ...
ye thats the part i didnt understand exactly
teal fossil
#showtooltip cleave /cast slam
teal fossil
having absolutely 0 aoe
thats techincally every spec in the game, thats the illusion of choice that comes from a 70 point talent tree
i do agree it feels bad though
stark bay
latent moss
idk sub has bp
outlaw doesnt have to talent into blade flurry
itsj ust weaker without talents
lunar remnant
Ret gets 10th rework we get a tier set
teal fossil
ret still has ds
ret has to talent their ST spender so its basically the same
i think dk has to talent into their dnd cleave right
but either way
latent moss
thats not the argument
argument is ret with st has ds
arms doesnt have cleave
fury cant cleave
teal fossil
i guess we are talking about different things, you want more AOE while in ST spec, im saying that a lot of specs sacrifice a lot of ST for AOE
ret loses like 15-20% in sims on ST going AOE
if i remember correctly
arms like like 9-10%
fury is like 2%
i dont think this is even close to a top prio for war
olive nest
The thing is they cant hit things with DS even while fully talented into ST
We have a short window to sweep extra targets
latent moss
its a small thing most of the time but ww and cleave thing is just confusing new players
for no reason
teal fossil
we do have WW for that, WW just needs to be tuned higher
latent moss
we do have WW for that, WW just needs to be tuned higher
which is cleave
without talents
so just replace it with cleave
olive nest
Agree cleave should be baseline for arms and WW for fury
teal fossil
cleave essentially says "increase your WW damage by X%"
latent moss
like imp ww with 2 stacks should be baseline for fury and cleave for arms
teal fossil
and make it interact with talents
but baseline divine storm isnt much better than WW lol
latent moss
ye i love having to change talents after a st fight in raid to not get yelled at for not clearing trash is my biggest annoyance
its annoying for no reason
i raided as ret a bit in df and could ds
on trash
teal fossil
you can also ww on trash (after the 120% buff)
latent moss
okay but whats the point of ww on arms exactly
teal fossil
our baseline AOE (thats piss weak)
which is about the same as divine storm without supporting talents on ret
(also piss weak)
and arms has baseline sweeping while ret has nothing similar to that
fury could stand to get improved ww baseline though
that being said i dont think blizz would want that since fury loses so little going AOE
latent moss
cleave being baseline wouldnt change anything except u would maybe have some aoe in raid while doing damage to the boss unlike colossus
but warrior players are allergic to qol istg
no one complaining about blood and thunder is beyond me
n1 example of bad qol
oh we wont let u apply rend to more than 5 at a time
cause?
teal fossil
thats not QOL
thats a straight up buff
if you can just apply bleeds to 20
thats just not the definition of qol
teal fossil
cleave being baseline wouldnt change anything except u would maybe have some aoe...
you mind logging in for me to see the tooltip #s between ww and cleave
not next to computer rn
i wanna do some math
olive nest
Should be able to apply rend to all targets within range of TC
latent moss
if you can just apply bleeds to 20
if they want us to deal damage
they have to
cause next tier
teal fossil
ok but thats not QOL
latent moss
we will prio tc overo p
teal fossil
thats a buff
asking for a buff is fine
and i think we need buff
just dont call it a qol when its clearly not
olive nest
Fair to say it’s a mixture of both
teal fossil
is uncapping odyns to 20 a qol then
olive nest
That’s not a maintenance dot though
teal fossil
i would say turning TC to smart application (prio no bleeds>least duration bleeds)
would be a really good qol
teal fossil
good thing the game lasts for more than 1 tier
teal fossil
so you are saying putting 4x the bleed on pull is just barely a buff to burst
latent moss
same with sks
latent moss
so you are saying putting 4x the bleed on pull is just barely a buff to burst
u just delay while building cm
like there is no reason not to make cleave baseline
teal fossil
so you have 86% of a cleave on full st
latent moss
we cant apply deep wounds to more than 2 targets without it
teal fossil
not my problem for trash
i think what i would do is to make WW baseline apply dw
but not interact with MP
olive nest
Wait a minute am I reading that correctly
WW slams the primary target?
Even in single target build??
olive nest
Hmmm
Wonder if there is some pad to be had in some raid fights instead of using slam filler
teal fossil
Even in single target build??
well you need to talent fob
and fob isnt mandatory to go down
technically you arent supposed to talent fob in full ST
but yeah you can do something
olive nest
Ok that makes more sense I thought I was crazy for a second
Well I am anyway
But even more so
teal fossil
about half the talents in the game are filler
but i would say most talents have a use
outside of bloodsurge,DoD,SoS
every talent has seen play
bronze tiger
sigh, i think they should just make AOE or ST builds and thats it, whats the point of choices if we dont ever use them
teal fossil
people like discovery
not everyone is warrior brained and just go wowhead and import
i think people like this system more than 3 choose 1
bronze tiger
i think doing that it just gives people the option to be less optimized
teal fossil
ya
bronze tiger
which at the end of the day does more harm than good
teal fossil
some talent trees arent bad
warrior really only has ST and AOE
but rogues has 2 major builds going that arent just ST/AOE
that plays pretty different
obviously one is better than other one can still be fun in a weekly
bronze tiger
i get that, and maybe DH with its mover and no mover build
but for me thats just class identity
dim basalt
Meanwhile WW almost having the exact same build for ST and AOE
bronze tiger
shy tide
the raidbuffs are in my walls
shy tide
removing raidbuffs would be funny
you would instantly see
the most degenerate
class stacking
steep osprey
You didn't see that in legion did you
gaunt owl
5 rogues shenanigans
shy tide
we already had some degen class stacking/swapping this tier
with raidbuffs
mugzee and bandit specifically
imagine if you didnt even have to fill the buff slots
shy tide
even tho stix was hitler i dont really care that much since it was early
shy tide
if raidbuffs werent a thing you probably wouldve seen like what just 2 melee on mugzee
the rest would all be locks, mages spriests and dragons
dim basalt
Mugzee would prob be more mages and arms actually
hexed snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbMsdJXQSuE
Hooray!
dim basalt
And dev ig
hexed snow
I'm still coping and saying warrior buffed with 3%
shy tide
arms was good boss dmg but i dont think youd bring more than 1 still
dim basalt
They even used 2 or 3
void bay
removing raidbuffs would be funny
We already had that with "bring the player, not the class" in what....2009?
gaunt owl
since forever
shy tide
fire was insane for that fight on rpog
youd probably just drop all melee for more firemages
dim basalt
It was lots of padding though
dim basalt
Because of padding yeah?
shy tide
broken class
yeah boss dmg padding
login
youd probably get enough locks, spriests and dragons and a BM hunter for coins
and then fill the rest with fire mages
shadow ibex
Yea you wouldn't stack us
shy tide
if buffs werent a thing
shadow ibex
We can't cheese prison
dim basalt
void elf
shy tide
im talking about bandit
dim basalt
I think they even went void elf for that
shadow ibex
So much boss dam loss
shy tide
mugzee was something else on prog
shadow ibex
Even then only 1 or 2 uses of ve
shy tide
tbf if you were tryharding mugzee during prog youd just get rescued/gripped during prisons
0.5 second window
yipee
hexed snow
We did grippies
shy tide
looking at old prog and seeing how much of a joke gally was makes me feel weird
almost 2 weeks for mugzee and then gally falls over in 50 pulls
hexed snow
So epic to fail mugzee bcz someone failed to grip
shadow ibex
0.5 second window
I mean even just porting out after killing
Vs waiting for knock
Even that time lost boss dam gonna matter super early
shy tide
well
depends early on when youre seeing p2 for the first time maybe
but you ended up holding dps for so long
eventually
it didnt even really matter anymore
its just for warriors early on we were whining for our fatal mark stacks
stray willow
how are yall macro'ing bestinslots weapon and funhouse lens if you have it, this 20 second internal on use CD is killing me
stray willow
nice thanks
regal dragon
When I see no warrior changes
bronze tiger
how is ret even still meta
shadow ibex
Easy class lots of utility at key level where most play
slow saddle
how is ret even still meta
Because aoe is high st is high. Super tanky. Immunes utility. And cc
regal dragon
Easy class lots of utility at key level where most play
no utility for us
regal dragon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossles...
Is it time to try shamwow
😂 😂 😂
bronze tiger
Because aoe is high st is high. Super tanky. Immunes utility. And cc
makes zero sence
regal dragon
Dno man if warrior could just je upper in raid and m+ 1 tier
i pray
stable fiber
Dno man if warrior could just je upper in raid and m+ 1 tier
warrior is usually always pretty good in raid
DF it was high in like every raid i think
hasnt been great in TWW though
m+ is the problem
olive nest
Arms has been pretty good boss damage though
Aren’t we up there with MM literally right now?
slow saddle
Nope not rly
regal dragon
guess rework in 12.0
tacit crystal
🥀
olive nest
I don’t mind being the boss damage guy
stable fiber
guess rework in 12.0
id prefer this
olive nest
I just want it to be enough where it’s noticeable
tacit crystal
me too
stable fiber
i dont want a rework mid expansion
tacit crystal
i think they should bring back of tier set as capstone
stable fiber
prepatch reworks are always the most fun and best times usually
regal dragon
id prefer this
I might play a diff class till then tbh 😅
stable fiber
id do that right now
cause if they rework it in the .2 patch and you dont like it
then your stuck with a class you dont like and undergeared alts or no alts
regal dragon
Choosing for me is difficult because I have a hard time overthinking
slow saddle
i dont think we are close to MM or Dev
We are below ret brother
stable fiber
talking like ret is bad ST
slow saddle
Ofc they arent
stable fiber
mugzee though, all 3 hunter specs are top 3 on boss damage, then arcane -> dev -> feral -> unholy -> 2 warrior specs
damn all 3 hunter specs
wtf
olive nest
Oh look at that a wowhead post about wizards getting changes or buffs again
regal dragon
Any recommendations for a change of class would be appreciated lmao!
slow saddle
We are below hunter - ret - arcane - dk - dev
stable fiber
Any recommendations for a change of class would be appreciated lmao!
DK is simple and fun, usually pretty good in raid and m+
regal dragon
DK is simple and fun, usually pretty good in raid and m+
I tried Unholy and I was not a fan
regal dragon
you need gear or else its like not fun
that might be why but isnt frost lookin better next season from what ive seen atleast
stable fiber
yeah unholy was kneecapped with a target cap
regal dragon
ooooof
stable fiber
and sanlayn is looking worse now
stable fiber
nah it does for sure
tacit crystal
no chance, its not even your biggest contributing damage atm
slow saddle
To compensate
slow saddle
Yeah, its almost no aoe loss for more st
olive nest
They now have mastery scaling as well
tacit crystal
as sanlyn your damage will still be epi/dc vs plague
slow saddle
Yeah fam, like uhdk will fuck
tacit crystal
and bs being lower doesnt do anything
stable fiber
yeah i figured that out when they changed death grip
tacit crystal
our raid wide utility is worthless
like
we have nothing
and they complain about a passive getting untuned down slightly
xd
that makes no change to rotation
you only go from 29xx ap to 248x ap
xd
like
latent moss
i think they should bring back of tier set as capstone
colo 4p for sure. put the 100% bleed on wb or something. and every wb/cs ur next ms/2ms crit
or something idk
latent moss
they lose all damage bro
regal dragon
im thinking either MM hunter, Dev Evoker, or Arcane mage(i dont have a phd so that might not go well)
spiral coral
dk players are entitled
still can’t believe they @‘d the entire disc
tacit crystal
i can
latent moss
nah we should
slow saddle
they lose all damage bro
Thing is the loss is at 20 targets
latent moss
crash out on forums icl
tacit crystal
honestly best crash out would be posting this
slow saddle
So at 5 targrt and st they gain significant dmg increase
spiral coral
crash out on forums icl
Bro no lol say what you want but I think you’ll agree Warrior overall is about middle of the pack, we need shit, but, imo it’s one of the best spots to be in an mmo. (Not talking for fury m+)
slow saddle
I mean
Dno man
Feels like being mm
Is goos this expansion?
And when mm was bad bm fucked
spiral coral
Mm and BM got nerfed but still performing really well
slow saddle
And if they sucked surv had great st
spiral coral
I was talking about ptr sorry
regal dragon
ya'll making me wanna swap to MM
spiral coral
ya'll making me wanna swap to MM
BM cause animals everywhere makes me happy
slow saddle
- hunter in raid coz u always get.the annoying jobs🤣
regal dragon
We have 3 hunters allready
my guild has 1 hunter, 4 pallies, 3 shaman, and 3 warriors
And no evokers
olive nest
I simply do not like casting though so it didn’t last long for me
spiral coral
I’m gonna main arms, BM is going to be my main alt so can be mechanic bitch
last inlet
im stuck between DK/Warr/WW
last inlet
like can't decide
xD
i mean not wrong
was going to ask how bad is arms single target on ptr but...
spiral coral
Community here, is the best. Sorry dks.
spiral coral
“Is there evoker mains now?” - Maximum on stream yesterday
regal dragon
“Is there evoker mains now?” - Maximum on stream yesterday
listen we have none in our guild that raid buff is important
spiral coral
Made me laugh cause he just straight up doesn’t play or pay any attention yet is the guild lead to liquid lmao
shadow ibex
If God doesn't want me executing the bombs on gallywix why would he give them healthbars
shadow ibex
He must not be a god then