arms

[dim basalt]

Welp the solution from the forums doesnt help because Im on Linux kek

At least I expect my firewall to be a bit smarter

[narrow flax]

ah

what i did yesterday

is boot wow once

then wait for 20 minutes

then it was open

but yeah linux gaming

nice

[dim basalt]

Disabling firewall did work though

Well

What did Blizz fuck up now

[void bay]

I just clicked "play" windowed down for 30secs to do something else, saw wow hadnt launched, clicked it again, window down etc etc....did that about 6 times and it finally launched....was just about to properly look into it

[dim basalt]

Whats really weird is that I enabled my firewall again and now it works right away

[astral yarrow]

I promise you that your device firewall has nothing to do with whether WoW starts or not unless you randomly decide to delete rules after installing WoW

[urban egret]

i'm happy to see i'm not the only one, in my case I do have to close the program directly from task manager & click repair on battle net to actually be able to start it

[dreamy sandal]

Bois, on the PTR when do I send skullspliter? Just on CD or am i timing it to Deeper wounds?

[near radish]

I did a homework cinderbrew as fury for the score. That was a rude awakening.

[dim basalt]

On cd else you lose a lot of casts

[balmy kindle]

Should have gone TOP instead

[dreamy sandal]

Aight cool, where do i fit it into the opener?

Just after cleave and Tclap?

[dim basalt]

Im not sure but I believe before popping all your cds

[dreamy sandal]

Will try that, thanks!

[dark cypress]

Hello,

I'm a fury main & I'm getting into arms for the sake of maybe it'd be necessary to switch in some later content (though I doubt I will), but I really don't get how it's supposed to work.
Every other skill is a spender with 0 builder but auto attacks, even clap & execute, & there are way more spenders which I have a hard time figuring out how to prio, especially in aoe (Do we Cleave on cd or only when sweeping buff ends? Clap only for rend? Do we ever use Rend as a skill? Only or Single ou double target)

Everything feels very clunky. Anyone got a good breakdown of the class? Checked Maxroll & Icy Veins but doesn't help with the feeling

[jolly goblet]

3T Cleave > MS > OP
2T MS > OP Cleave
1T MS > OP SLAM
EXE: MS > OP > Exe clap only for rend

and obsly when the sweeping ends just cleave

[urban egret]

The spec feels clunky untill you manage to have a good understanding of how and how often you need to spend. the goal is to manage your rage so you're not starving but not capping either

[wind flicker]

Nah u wont run out of rage

Dw

[dark cypress]

So you gotta have all those skills in the bar but just press them depending on each situation?

[urban egret]

[dark cypress]

& sometimes ignore them?

[jolly goblet]

si

ignore ur spells , like warrior got ignored in m+ que

[wind flicker]

Just think, do i want to cleave targets? Then press cleave. If u dont press mortal strike

[urban egret]

coming from fury it seems kind of slow but believe it or not we do have a good and smooth gameplay just a lil' more on the slower side compared to fury mashing keys and investing into keyboards once a month

[dark cypress]

Was hard at the start but I'm good now, queuing as Fury 😄

[dark cypress]

Slower is okay

It's more like having more buttons

& just ignoring some

Feels weird

[wind flicker]

Nah

Just look at it like this bro: overpower buffs ur cleave and mortal strike

[dark cypress]

As Fury I change buttons priority depending on situation but they're the same skills

[wind flicker]

U press cleave in aoe, mortal strike in st

And if u dont have them

U buff it with overpower

[dark cypress]

So like Cleave & Mortal Strike are interchergeanble depending on situation?

[wind flicker]

Yes

[dark cypress]

I see

[feral oar]

Hello guys! How is arms looking next season? Do you recommend any creator that I should take a look at ?

(mainly played Prot, but I might have to DPS next season)

[wind flicker]

U can choose to mortal strike in aoe tho

If u want more prio

[dark cypress]

Do you press Rend ever?

Only in ST I assume

[wind flicker]

Just press tclap really

[dark cypress]

Instead of clap

Rend does a bit more dmg on cast

[wind flicker]

Yep

For raid i’d bother

For m+ meh

Just clap

[dark cypress]

Yeah I see

I was planning on doing that but wondered

[jolly goblet]

the best spell we have is whirlwind

[dark cypress]

(I'm heavily overwhelmed when too many buttons hence why I love fury lol)

[wind flicker]

Lmao

[wind flicker]

Its less than u think

Basically the same as fury, just a few more “major cooldowns”

I guess

U barely use execute

[dark cypress]

Yeah with Colossus

[dark cypress]

I thought in execute phase?

[wind flicker]

Nah execute sucks

[dark cypress]

Ah

I thought it's important

[wind flicker]

Nop

Unless u take talents and everything for it

But in m+ u dont anyways for most builds that are online

[jolly goblet]

throw it in a filler if nothing is up and dumb rage

[hoary niche]

you are better pressing MS or OP then its filler if you have the rage

[dark cypress]

I mean for Slayer

It's bread & butter

Isn't it?

[wind flicker]

We dont play slayer

Easy fix

In m+ anyways

[dark cypress]

Even in raid?

[jolly goblet]

in raid u play it sure

[dark cypress]

I'm mostly a raider, tho I started pushing a bit M+ this season (3k4 as fury)

[dark cypress]

I think I'll focus on learning raiding rotation for now

& look for M+ after

[dark cypress]

Thanks

[hollow plover]

that list he sent you is not accurate for raid arms btw

[dark cypress]

Ah okay

Also just got a question popping

[jolly goblet]

was just for m+

[dark cypress]

Since Mortal Strike & Cleave & two different skill, do you use the other one when the 1st in on cd?

For example, in M+ setting

I cleave as much as possible

but during cleave cd, should I mortal Strike?

[hollow plover]

yea i figured but Amelyse might not have thought that so i wanted to clarify

[jolly goblet]

yes, sir

[hollow plover]

yea legit just cleave > ms > op

if cleave up then cleave

if cleave down then ms

if both down then op

Ok

[dark cypress]

& in ST, MS>Cleave>op ?

Or don't you have cleave in st

[hollow plover]

with m+ spec it's ms > op > exe > slam

exe replaces slam at <20% boss hp as filler

raid spec has its own different priority system

it's similar but not identical

[dark cypress]

y cause Slayer tree

[hollow plover]

Yea

[dark cypress]

I'm used to it with fury

I'm just so confused on how I'm gonna bind those lol

[jolly goblet]

1 2 3 4

xD

[dark cypress]

But they change

I'll be okay

[hollow plover]

I have mortal strike and overpower on Q and E

[hollow plover]

they never change

so

[dark cypress]

y these two are fine

[hollow plover]

this is semi-inaccurate

[jolly goblet]

for me no, but everyone have diffrent settings 😄

[hollow plover]

but this will get you more than 95% of the way there

[dark cypress]

Thanks

I have the end of s2 to learn it a bit more in depths

Since both my fury wars are fully geared 😄

(yes I got 3)

[hollow plover]

dw i got 4 i feel u

[jolly goblet]

or u just slam the 1 button assist xD

[hollow plover]

Clown

[dark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-suspicious-puppet-gif-2729624127692369191

I think I undersand a bit better now tho

Thanks for your help

[hollow plover]

[near radish]

Slam at all or is it redundant after a certain amount of haste?

[mortal crag]

Closing in on the coveted resil 19

[hollow plover]

i mean it can happen that u legit have nothing left and get no op resets from spending rage then u just click slam or exe depending on enemy hp as filler yea

[viral locust]

always find it fun how people value good keys like R for a 1.5min cd hehe and then have their kick and defensive on a mod+key button 😛

[dark cypress]

XD

[hollow plover]

"ah shit i fat fingered my avatar"

[dark cypress]

Just a League of Legends player

R is ultimate

[hollow plover]

amelyse

[viral locust]

oh no i died cus didnt press defensive or didnt kick fast enough 😛

[hollow plover]

thats a dumb argument

im a league player too

why are u limiting urself

[dark cypress]

It is what it is

[hollow plover]

zz

[viral locust]

highly recommend using keys around your moment keys that you press often, big cds on modifers and your defensives/hp pot on a easy to hit button too

[hollow plover]

+1 agreed

[viral locust]

each to their own but I just hate to see a valueable key with a long ass cd 😛

[dark cypress]

🤷‍♀️

That's how it is

[viral locust]

you did good with Q and E though but dude, E is for EXECUTE no?

[dark cypress]

I press R a lot on Fury cause it's a macro

[viral locust]

and shift + r is obviously Spell Reflect

[slow saddle]

R is interrupt

[viral locust]

F is for fuck (heal)

[dark cypress]

No bind shaming pls

😦

[viral locust]

no shaming, more helping

[dark cypress]

I ain't asking for bind help

:p

I'm doing fine thanks XD

As long as not too many buttons

[hollow plover]

tbf shit binds are fine if u can manage

but it will cause a wipe or two

[jolly goblet]

i have avatar on SHIT+strg + f7

i never fat finger it

[hollow plover]

its called ctrl

[dark cypress]

A E are always movement skills in all my MMOs, Alt+R is always my stun, Alt+1-2-3 are always defensive/group buffs

[hollow plover]

not steuerung

[dark cypress]

Just muscle memory

[hollow plover]

clueless~1

[jolly goblet]

on my keyboard it is STRG! xD

[hollow plover]

its

whatever

nvm

[dark cypress]

Also note I'm on AZERTY keyboard

[viral locust]

kick is on page down for most, hence they never press right?

[jolly goblet]

it´s

[dark cypress]

My main shit bind which I can't change cause my autistic brain can't adapt

[dark cypress]

Is Leap on E & interrupt on Alt+E

I've leaped a lot into aoe

Instead of interrupting

[viral locust]

e for leap? my god

[dark cypress]

E is always my jump/movement key

[viral locust]

actually making me depressed

[dark cypress]

Charge is A

(Q for you)

[jolly goblet]

mouse 5 for leap is goat

[viral locust]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-myself-seatbelt-gif-13298646

[dark cypress]

I don't have mouse buttons

I hate it

Mouse is only for camera 😄

[viral locust]

i use middle mouse for any movement skill usually

[dark cypress]

But yeah I know my binds are not the best but I'll never play very high number of skills classes

I don't enjoy it

[jolly goblet]

play pally

u enjoy the 1button class

[dark cypress]

So Fury, Frost DK are perfect

Paladin is fine

Too many utilities

Fuck those

[jolly goblet]

or hunter just

roll the head

[dark cypress]

I have a hunter

I like it

[viral locust]

every thought though, more button classes would be easier and more enjoyable with nice keybinds?

[dark cypress]

It's a ranged Fury

[hollow plover]

never ever recommend that to anyone

disgusting

[dark cypress]

Nah

1st of all I don't enjoy casters

& rarely range

Hunter is fine for shutting down my brain

But nothing else

I'm autistic & need my one dimensional approach

Else I panick

Hence why arms feels disturbing already lol even tho it's the same class

Are there any valuable macro for arms?

Like Avatar-Recklesness for Fury

[hollow plover]

how is arms disturbing

you just dont understand it yet

[dark cypress]

Yeah

[hollow plover]

in raid you legit play around weakauras

[dark cypress]

I don't use WA

Just self buff tracking

[hollow plover]

IF: exeweakaura -> click exe
IF: Opportunist -> click overpower
Else:
Mortal Strike > Overpower > Slam

like

[jolly goblet]

it getting worse LOL

[hollow plover]

shrug

[viral locust]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-im-done-gone-bye-gif-14331061352776093889

[hollow plover]

slayer arms is highly weakaura dependant no human being can actively track every single buff and play around it consistently without making disturbing mistakes

[dark cypress]

It's the Mortal Strike vs Cleave I was confused about

[hollow plover]

cleave > ms

[dark cypress]

But I think I get it a bit better now

[hollow plover]

in 3+ targets

where problem

[dark cypress]

I meant

[jolly goblet]

i bet u playing assa rogue without tracking anything haha

[dark cypress]

I just have those

Self buff tracking & exec proc

[jolly goblet]

quazii weakaura detected lol

[dark cypress]

🤷‍♀️

Good enough

[hollow plover]

https://wago.io/Q5KkvQ0m2

get this one

[dark cypress]

Na

XD

Maybe later

Once I really understand how it works

[hollow plover]

opportunist buff is applied late

in slayer

for some reason

this weakaura tells u early

if u have a simple buff tracker then u get it too late causing u to eat a gcd due to human reaction times combined with the wow inherent buffer window

[dark cypress]

Yeah that happens for Frost DK too on 5 stacks

It's a bit annoying

But that's life

[hollow plover]

..or just get something as simple as a weakaura

[dark cypress]

I'm a bit anti combat addons so

[hollow plover]

its effectively a buff tracker but faster

[hollow plover]

you are already using the SD conditions weakaura mate

[dark cypress]

I know

I feel bad

[hollow plover]

Bruh

[halcyon magnet]

i love things that make my life easier

huh

[dark cypress]

Just said maybe later once I understand things better

Understand > Try my best > See it's too hard > find a solution

Not just take the solution before

[hollow plover]

And im trying to tell you that this weakaura helps you figure out how to play arms warr

in raid

[dark cypress]

y I understand that

[viscid compass]

Yo so for the core rotation outside of my big warbreaker/demolish window, is there a full blown hierarchy of what to hit in what order? Like if my dots are up on a pack am I truly hitting cleave if up, then if no cleave hit mortal strike, then if no mortal strike hit overpower?

For colossus m+ build

[jolly goblet]

have to be ragebait from him

[hollow plover]

no but you are ragebaiting me

[dark cypress]

No, I just said I'm autistic & I have a very precise way of learning things. I ask when I'm looking for something

[viscid compass]

Im Fury switching to arms for m+ and am confused, like should I be pumping cleave back to back if possible?

[jolly goblet]

low mental health ppl are easy to ragebait so think ur right luul

[dark cypress]

Don't expect more than what I ask

Although I appreciate the thought

[hollow plover]

yea cleave is the button to press

[rare kite]

most of the time yes. cleave is all your damage on aoe

[viscid compass]

OK then its just mortal strike if cleave isn't up

[hollow plover]

yea

pretty much

[dark cypress]

I see it as Cleave being Arm's Thunder Blast lol

1st prio if up

[hollow plover]

only exception is collateral damage but yea

[slow saddle]

Even then u donot hold for long

[hollow plover]

^

ye

[viscid compass]

What is the exception sorry

[hollow plover]

collateral damage

when u have it stacked up

then u wanna try to combine it with warbreaker, merciless bonegrinder or ava

[viscid compass]

So what do I hit when its stacked

[hollow plover]

without holding too long

[viscid compass]

Ah ok

So If it lines up I want to save if for warbreaker/demolish combo

[slow saddle]

Well ideally last 2 cds of ya sweep is always op op then send cleave unless cds are up

[slow saddle]

As in a couple of gcds ye but prob not 10 seconds. Cleave fuckin claps in grn

[viscid compass]

So when sweep is ending trying to pump up cleave with overpower?

[hollow plover]

overlapping warbreaker and demolish all the time, like force-aligning it isnt even all that good lol

[slow saddle]

In aoe it align

In st just send shit

[hollow plover]

im not holding demolish for 10 irl seconds in aoe when half the pack is dead by the time that i get my warbreaker

[viscid compass]

Also when you are doing single target while in m+, should I be pumping every mortal strike i can with overpower or just spamming mortal strikes always when possible

[hollow plover]

absolute_cinema

[hollow plover]

MS if possible yup

[slow saddle]

Ms > op

Coz u wsnt cdr

As collosus ofc

[viscid compass]

OK so MS - OP - slam/execute? Or during execute phase is it different during single target

[hollow plover]

exe over slam

in exe phase

[viscid compass]

But its still ms-op-execute during single target while in execute phase

[hollow plover]

yea

[viscid compass]

Also thunderous roar/ravager pop up before avatar becomes available again. Should I be just throwing them out on cd? Or if its within like 10 seconds of avatar should I save one or the other?

[slow saddle]

Roar yes

I tend to try to get rav into wb window

Dno if thats cursed though

[hollow plover]

wb -> rav -> cleave is big pp dam so thats valid

[viscid compass]

Makes sense, so if ravager is close to lining up with warbreaker, wait for that, but typically dont wait for avatar and just pop that on cd

[hollow plover]

avatar is kinda shit

[viscid compass]

Do i prepop sweeping strikes before I start my big damage combo? And then just use on cd from there

[hollow plover]

yea ur lining it up when u can but dont bother holding for a long time

[hollow plover]

Charge>Cleave>Tclap>Troar>Sweeping Strikes>Avatar+Warbreaker>Ravager>Stuff to get 10 Colossus Might stacks>Demolish

[viscid compass]

When you say stuff to get to 10 colossus might stacks do i need to be focusing mortal strikes more because it felt to me like it was adding more stacks than other abilities

[hollow plover]

ms provides the most

but its more important to cleave

[viscid compass]

OK so still go with cleave overall

Thanks for the help, I main fury and am just now making the switch, I hit a 4.1 mil overall on a random 10 meadery while I was practicing but I was told with a good tank and big pulls I should finally break 5 mil

Right now im doing similar damage between the two but I know I can pump arms higher

[rare kite]

eyoo free money

[dark cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/be-doo-be-doo-minion-despicable-me-alert-warning-gif-11970734646175466629

[rare kite]

<@&257983573498265600>

[viscid compass]

What are yall typically averaging in big pull dungeons?

[warped spade]

now everyone wondering why you pinged mod

[rare kite]

for fun obviously

[spiral coral]

cause I was going to open some cases for free

[viscid compass]

Like what should I be shooting for over dps wise for something like meadery

[spiral coral]

But nooooo

[rare kite]

i kept the money for myself. gonna buy ghost of tsushima

[warped spade]

I was hoping they'd nerf mystic touch... then they buffed it

friend sent me a screenshot without the dev note I thought they made a typo like they did with shaman avoidance

[dark cypress]

Sim?

[hexed snow]

https://tenor.com/view/shane-collecting-himself-meme-jonbernthal-twd-gif-11779035775275661220

Warriors when warriors get nerfed

https://tenor.com/view/shane-collecting-himself-meme-jonbernthal-twd-gif-11779035775275661220

[dim basalt]

Why would they nerf it lol

[hexed snow]

Warriors when warriors get buffed (they know it's gonna get nerfed soon again)

[warped spade]

to make it like the other buffs?

[dim basalt]

So its even weaker?

Theyre right with their reasoning, phys debuff is way weaker than the magic debuff because way less specs do phys damage

[warped spade]

sure, but if 3% is not enough damage to bring monk? buff monk or phys specs.

[hollow plover]

yea but it also makes it so warr is kept weaker in order to compete with myst touch stjpa

[dim basalt]

Like, warrior specs + feral are the only specs that do pure physical damage

[dark cypress]

Do you ever use Sweeping Strikes in ST?

[hollow plover]

no

[dark cypress]

oki

[warped spade]

we're balanced around having buffs.. not having a monk already sucks. it's just going to be worse

[hexed snow]

Does this mean that...

We got buffed?

[serene canyon]

always

[void bay]

If he were a warrior:

[viscid compass]

Well the sim will be me absolute ideal I was wondering what generally people were doing

[hollow plover]

it means we wil lget nerfed

[dim basalt]

[hollow plover]

in raid

[hexed snow]

https://tenor.com/view/shane-collecting-himself-meme-jonbernthal-twd-gif-11779035775275661220

[dim basalt]

Well the set got nerfed

So theres that

[rare kite]

technically yes

[warped spade]

this @dim basalt
option 1 : they dont balance around it and war is busted with monk
optoin 2 : they do and we can't play without one

[dim basalt]

Oh outlaw also does pure phys damage iirc

[warped spade]

sin does, not sure about outlaw, non ranger mm also does

[dim basalt]

I also dont think theres much relation between war power and the debuff

Sin is not only phys

A lot of phys, but not only iirc

As poison is magic

And explo shot is fire

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Let alone that sentinel mm has a lot of arcane damage via various hero talents

[dark cypress]

Demolish is yet an other button

https://tenor.com/view/anxiety-scared-nervous-anxious-hyperventilating-gif-419837106449555276

[zealous flume]

when people said that next tier looks like a fury tier not arms, was that based of preliminary sims or fight design or vibes

[void bay]

just turn on that 1 button thing

[zealous flume]

lowkey annoying just HOW MUCH more damage i get in a group with a shaman and a monk now

[warped spade]

and it gets worse if they keep this change

[dark cypress]

lol I wanted to add a bar for long cds using F keys but I can only bind F1 & F2, rest doesn't work for some reason

& idk why

[zealous flume]

one thing they kinda have to do if they want to do this change is keep protwar competitive aka not really overnerf it because if its just brew in the tankslot that kills a BUNCH of healers as a byproduct

[void bay]

I dont know what this has to do with what I said

[dark cypress]

I'll never play one button

Is the answer

[warped spade]

brew vs prot doesnt really matter. surv and control do to some extent but what buff you bring is pretty much dictaded by dps role

[dark cypress]

Anyone got a screen of their M+ keybinds?

[rare kite]

dark ranger tons of shadow damage as well. survival has fire damage, idk about bm

[dim basalt]

sims and fight designs

[zealous flume]

it does because say, disc for example basically cant heal brew

[hot current]

how did blizzard nerf us even after we are one of the worst performing specs in ptr???

[hexed snow]

1-5 Q-E-R-T

[sacred zodiac]

Only noobs keybind q and e to rotational buttons

[hexed snow]

Call me a big noober

[hot current]

is it possible to somehow developers dont buff and nerf classes with their monitors turned off?

[sacred zodiac]

Send constructive criticism, tuning is not done yet

Ptr Balance is not serious until like 1 week before patch release

[hot current]

but still when the game was live, fury and arms got nerfs like 5 weeks in a row while being last on dps 😄

[zealous flume]

do you have a link to the sims, im curious

[sacred zodiac]

I dont think that is true

[dim basalt]

#updates-midnight

[dark cypress]

Then Alt & Ctrl?

[zealous flume]

ty

[hexed snow]

Mostly shift otherwise

I come from FPS world

So my finger is already pre placed at shift

[dark cypress]

In AOE, Arms has too many binds for me

Raid is fine

There's like 3 more buttons for M+

Idk where to put them

[hexed snow]

Like what

[dark cypress]

Cleave, Demolish & Sweeping Strikes

[hexed snow]

Cleave is a button u press alot during AoE

[dark cypress]

yeah but I also have Mortal Strike

[hexed snow]

For ST/Raid

I have
1 overpower
2 mortal strike
3 slan

[dark cypress]

& I also keep Clap for some reason

[hexed snow]

For AoE

I swap slam to cleave

Cuz cleave slams anyway

[dark cypress]

You never slam in aoe?

[hexed snow]

I have it as a mouse button

[dark cypress]

That could work

I see, got no mouse button

& where goes Demolish

[hexed snow]

Middle mouse?

Demolish is on G

[dark cypress]

I could add G

[hexed snow]

It's a button u click every 30seconds

So not too bad

[dark cypress]

Yeah

Also Clap is bit annoying cause you want it

[hexed snow]

Sweeping is on the shift hold button

Sweeping is Shift E

Same for ST

So if ur comfortable with alt or ctrl

Can use one of those

[dark cypress]

I have everything on alt yes

Might do a Ctrl+ bar

But it's less comfortable

[dim basalt]

Replace Rend with Clap

[hexed snow]

Are u a Q E walker

[dark cypress]

Don't have rend in the bar

[hexed snow]

Yeah on AoE don't click rend

U don't even need it for M+

[dark cypress]

I have A & E as deplacement skills

Charge & Leap

For quick reaction

[hexed snow]

I play league

So F for flash

F for leap

;)

[dark cypress]

Is my "cleave" button

[hexed snow]

😮

[dim basalt]

Wait, A and E? How do you strafe then?

[dark cypress]

Clap/Whirlfriend for fury, CLeave for Arms

[dark cypress]

I don't, I come from action mmos

So playing with camera more

or Q & D

[dim basalt]

I do that 90% of the time as well but sometimes strafing is pretty useful

(and kinda necessary in PvP)

[hexed snow]

PvP mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/clown-mcdonalds-thumbs-down-i-dont-think-so-gif-16021541

[dim basalt]

Gotta get that pvp set

and illusion

[hexed snow]

I love my scripted fights

[slate crest]

Hard to imagine running out of keybinds for arms🤔 you have so many possibilities

[dark cypress]

Holding right click & Q/D strafes

& if I want to turn without strafing I move the mouse

I perma hold right click

Like that lol

[dim basalt]

Yeah but thats not always useful

Like I said

[zealous flume]

where we were on replacement skills, people already mentioned rend and tclap, the dps gain from pressing rend over tclap on single target if you have it is "actually" nothing. one thing you can do if you are a bit brave is macro a melee ability into the charge hotkey, as you "cant" use charge in melee range. otherwise it doesnt "really" matter, i recommend putting off gcd stuff on your mousewheel and buttons because you can press those while your other hand is pressing regular hotkeys, but that doesnt really make a noticeable difference outside of like prot warrior

as long as the rotational buttons you spammclick constantly are comfortable to press for your hand placement its fine

[near radish]

Strafing is the default qe right? I got that on ad

[dim basalt]

As you should

[near radish]

Pvp for sets kind of interests me these days after getting pve goals. Does race matter for the set rating is it 2400 or whatever?

[slow saddle]

A+d is strafe

[dim basalt]

Full set rating is 1800

Illusion is 1950

[shadow ibex]

its pretty much free to get 90% of the pvp rewards

only thing you cant get from getting like 2k is glad mount but the season mount and all other cosmetics its almost handed to you

maybe its supposed to be a 100% MS crit buff

just tie duration to demo stacks

i like that reality a lot more

[near radish]

So racial ain’t matter I’ll be alright as a nelfer

[rare kite]

for m+ nelf or dwarf is just always the play. whichever is stronger depends on season

[near radish]

Oh I meant for the pvp discussion

[thick kelp]

pvp unplayable if u arent a gnome

[paper gulch]

What do you mean i only have two arms

[shadow ibex]

yea gnome is like 2 tiers above any other for pvp

i guess if you had to be something else orc is immune to some rogue set ups cuz hardiness unless they commit extra stuff to you

[near radish]

But for 1800-2000? Still need to be a lil fella?

[dim basalt]

You get to 1800 by mashing your buttons

If you have decent game sense

But after 1900 you will notice a pretty steep curve

[shadow ibex]

you cant even lose rating until like 16 or 1800

just fail upwards until you get what you want

[slate crest]

You dont have pedals?? 😵

[viral locust]

Idk first time I did PvP ever and 2.1k in a week pretty easy at the moment

Most people getting clapped to big ms whilst I have full stacked vers tanking them lol

[silk basalt]

I'm really angry that blizzard treats dps warrior

Dps war wasn't even a special dealer in raid and m+ in season 2.

Even if it's okay in the raid, the m+ is in the middle-bottom.

I have to go with my stone. I can barely go.

I'm so disappointed looking at the season 3 ptr patch.

Even though the nerf to colossus Tier Set is a patch that makes the damage cycle run smoothly,

Slayer nerf (in fact, fury and arms both are nerf)

I heard that mountain was buffed, and when I tried it on ptr, it was still rubbish lol

Jobs that have more damage and utility than warriors are buffed.

Warrior is the lowest tier class in the m+ and is being nerfed

I guess Blizzard is saying that if you want to play as a warrior, go as a tank.

Seriously, I'm thinking about changing my job in season 3.

I don't know yet because there's a month left until season 3, but what's Blizzard's thinking?

I really don't understand why blizzard patching like this.

[shy tide]

who is bro writing to

[finite grotto]

Grok

[viral locust]

Seriously considering spending time with my wife and children this tier

[olive nest]

Copy pasta

[latent moss]

🧑‍🌾 🐮 👑

🧎‍♂️

[shadow ibex]

frost dk tier

[ancient scroll]

[modest cairn]

I wouldn't get to discouraged. Play what enjoy. If your goal is the top highest keys and play at thr 1 percent level then you do what you need too.

[warped spade]

aka the good ol' rerollerino

or they could just make title spec specific like pvp ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

[ancient scroll]

We’re in a good spot as it stands rn I think

Phys comp was very good this season and looking to be even stronger next season

[teal fossil]

ngl im not feeling this one

its like a 4/10 at best

[olive nest]

Yeah I agree

Kinda boring honestly

[teal fossil]

Best Warriors in the servers based on leadership,firgurhead,big data collection,and Modesty on the server for this patch so far are : -

1- Bizentein
2-Critcake
2.5 - Revvez
3- Benzai
4- CupCakez
5- Deswind
6- Todu
7- Mr Rox
8- Jakey
9- Erga
10- Maid
11- Unfortunate
12- Epsilonee
13 - Warriorsari
14 - Grams
15 - geegee

most of these ppl dont even play the game anymore

[regal wharf]

how do you import WA's into ptr

[teal fossil]

[regal wharf]

i wanna do dungeon testing but the cd manager SUCKS

[dim basalt]

Why is Revvez 2.5

[shy tide]

because he only had space for 15

so he had to do something

[dim basalt]

Ah, obviously

[quartz adder]

Is it?

[latent moss]

unfortunate

bro was farming r1s

[teal fossil]

i thought you would be on here

maybe you didnt prove yourself back then

[shy tide]

i probably didnt even play back then

[dim basalt]

Speaking of that, our guild has surprisingly many wow zoomers

As in, just started playing in Shadowlands or DF

[void bay]

I dont know, hence the "?"

[maiden briar]

hi guys, semi casually arms slayer warrior. i use this macro, i would love to put in Bis weapon but notice it shares cd with trinket. how would i go about?

is there some smart way to do it, maybe do this macro on opener and then BIS on next bladestorm

(raid)

[tacit crystal]

on cs

you could do /use 16 after

but idk using a macro to that much

[turbid plinth]

If you use a 90 sec trinket, it’ll sync with avatar.
If you really want to do this, then make another macro for colossus smash with /use 16 in it

[maiden briar]

i see, thanks guys! If i would not use a macro what would be optimal use? on CS still?

[fresh spire]

deswind not rank one 😦

[warped solstice]

You can do use 16 in this macro also, since they are both off GCD. They just won't both fire the first time.

[tacit crystal]

Use on cs after trinket and bind weapon on different bind

[warped solstice]

Not optimal, but if you're just comfy playing.

[maiden briar]

yeah just some reclears nothing serious

[maiden briar]

thanks!!!

[turbid plinth]

Well if your trinket is 90 sec (hoc, funhouse) and you use this on cd with avatar , it’ll never use the 16 (bis). That’s why you macro it seperately in colossus smash

[tacit crystal]

that will cause bad uses where you cs before svatar and cant use hoc with avatar

[olive nest]

Well technically if this guy is playing super casually and just wants to press one button all the time for all 4 cooldowns he can

Just put /use [combat] 16 at the very bottom of the macro

[warped solstice]

I'm assuming you'd just hit this instead of CS in your rotation.

[olive nest]

If you have a trinket put /use trinket above that line

[turbid plinth]

In that case it’d work offc, i’d let it show the colossus smash tooltip then 🤣

[warped solstice]

True. CS tooltip betta. And yeah, def not optimal.

[olive nest]

It would be better if you did
Avatar/trinket on a bind and put cs/slots on another

There are scenarios where you can squeeze in a CS/BS but you would want to hold Ava because it won’t be back up in time

Depends how much you care and or want to be optimally playing

[shadow ibex]

1 more month of x2 on use jail

[viral locust]

#showtooltip Colossus Smash
/use Colossus Smash
/use [combat] 16

reminder to use combat incase you press it and turn yourself into a mage

[maiden briar]

ooo thats actually a good tip, thanks a lot

[maiden briar]

yeah casually mythic raiding now in off season, just comfy alt to boost on. basically oba

[sacred zodiac]

Vintage

[paper gulch]

Im playing arms not legs bro

[olive nest]

Amen

[smoky kayak]

Very key to recognize that Warrior hasn’t been nerfed at all on the PTR

They reduced an upcoming set bonus that was and still is significantly stronger than our current one

that’s not the same thing as getting nerfed lol, it’s still a notable gain

[teal fossil]

I think psychologically any buff becomes the new "baseline"

so that buff getting tuned down is like a nerf

[smoky kayak]

Doesn’t matter it’s still not tantamount to nerfing the class

[teal fossil]

remember 9.1 shadowlands ptr

7 days of reck

just stack on dummy for about an hour pre raid

[silk basalt]

Slayer nerfed

[smoky kayak]

See previous comment

If you really thought we were getting a +25% set bonus, you were kidding yourself. But while the set may have been nerfed, the class is still being buffed by it, and by a very sizeable amount

[silk basalt]

I don't care, I just want the warrior to be a little stronger than other classes. When I watched the ptr raid or keystone videos, it was definitely weak.

[grim oasis]

Tbf plenty of other specs are.

[smoky kayak]

They already nerfed most of the outliers last week

[smoky kayak]

So you want to be imbalanced, just in the other direction doesn’t sound very fair does it?

[strange perch]

you forgot sodax and philwar and roninx

[shy tide]

i mean if theyre gonna manage to tune classes close to eachother in the overall department in raid

arms is gonna turbo crank in execute

even more than usual

and the bosses look kinda crazy in their last phases

during testing

some of them atleast

[swift crown]

@halcyon breach good job on top 3

[halcyon breach]

really tried my best

[prime bramble]

I haven't been keeping up with the PTR as well as I should, what's your take on warriors performance thus far (post set bonus tweaks)?

[silk spade]

pauck

[teal fossil]

thats roninx list bro

he cant put himself on there

[smoky kayak]

Mostly in #updates-midnight already - the sets are still dummy strong, and Thane still needs jesus

[strange perch]

FUCK

[shy tide]

ptr is really weird atm still

[fringe moon]

Was hoping that colossus be competitive for single target, but guess we’re stuck with slayer for another season

[shy tide]

because everyones set bonusses are all over the place

some turbo op and some in the gutter

[silk basalt]

So you think warrior is decent right now without buffs?

[smoky kayak]

It always is lol

[prime bramble]

[shy tide]

i mean i feel like its a bit more extreme

than usual

because they kinda went crazy with the sets

i dont mind it

[smoky kayak]

I didn’t say that, in fact nobody has even remotely argued that war is in a good place right now (in m+, Raid it’s ok)

But the upcoming sets are a pretty big buff

[shy tide]

only tier in the last couple expansions were warrior was bad was like amirdrasil before lego

since sanctum

[smoky kayak]

And while I get the sentiment, “I wanna be better than everyone else” isn’t exactly a reasonable expectation lol

[shy tide]

for raid

[prime bramble]

Thats probably where im the most curious will be relative performance. Not like im gonna play anything else kekw.

[smoky kayak]

Arms and Fury both did well in raid this tier, wasn’t a whole lot to complain about

[strange perch]

hi

[prime bramble]

Also feels like when we come out the gates too hot, blizz likes to be the fun police lol

[smoky kayak]

M+ is obviously a different story, but that’s a combination of tuning, pacing, and design

[unborn canyon]

i just want aoe caps to be loosened on us

[prime bramble]

Execute nerf s2, and fury nerfs s1 (warranted or not)

[shy tide]

fury and arms combined have been good to great the last like 8 out of 9 tiers or something

and it doesnt like next tier will change anything major

[sacred zodiac]

u cannot say this stop this

[shy tide]

i can

[sacred zodiac]

warrior has been unplayable since antorus!!!!

[shy tide]

only shit tier in a long while was amidrasil

[smoky kayak]

S2 execute nerf and Arms was still one of the top ST damage dealers this tier lol

[sacred zodiac]

eh fury was still fine in amirdrassil

[shy tide]

fuck lego ballancing

it wasnt before lego

[shadow ibex]

was p bad in abberus

[smoky kayak]

Like y’all gotta pull back on the victimization

[shy tide]

holy shit what a misserable time during prog

abberus fury

was the fcking goat

on release

[prime bramble]

Wish they went about it a different way is all, felt weird in m+ essentially treating execute like slam lol

[shy tide]

nelth you clapped with arms

[sacred zodiac]

u played 1-2 on prog every fight and it solved problems that the hardest fights required you to solve idk if thats bad

[smoky kayak]

Fury did pretty well on half the bosses and pretty shit on the other half in aberrus, very polarizing tier

[sacred zodiac]

oh aberrus nvm

[shy tide]

fury was great on the first 6 and i just played arms on the last 2

but last boss was weird because your downstairs like 30-40% of the fight and you were cosplaying some shitty 2 minute class

because timings

[sacred zodiac]

kabooming sark in p3 was pretty fun as arms

[smoky kayak]

Well that’s cause you’re playing a hero that doesn’t focus on execute.. which is fine, variety is good

[silk basalt]

I saw a video of critcake doing a M+ on PTR, and he was ranked 2nd or 3rd in damage output. Warrior's damage output is poor in wedge. I won't even mention the utility part.

[shy tide]

but6 sark was a meme endboss anyways

[smoky kayak]

“I saw a single video where someone wasn’t top and decided everything is underpowered as a result” is an odd take but ok

[prime bramble]

I get ya but at start of season m+ build used EP prior to the nerf and still used it

So from my singular perspective felt lame lol

[sacred zodiac]

sample size 1 is sufficient evidence to shape my world view permanently

[smoky kayak]

Well that’s mostly cause there was no other talent to take instead, but they’ve been working on that

You’ll have SkS next tier instead 😉

[sour forge]

Also watching people at title range isn’t an indication of what’s needed in like 10-15s

[prime bramble]

I hope so, my complaints have been more about feel/fun. Performance itself has been solid all expansion imo.

[unborn canyon]

pls no

[smoky kayak]

I think colossus builds look fun af next tier

[prime bramble]

Gonna make that window even more important

[sour forge]

Uncapped bleeds let’s go. Make sure to clap often

[prime bramble]

And me mad at slow tanks more than ever before lol

Watching my demo stacks drop

[unborn canyon]

man, i wish demo stacks just lasted a little longer

[smoky kayak]

They also made demo more reliable too, which is a nice touch

[silk basalt]

In season 2, yes, I agree. In season 3 raids, I don't think that's the case. At least in the PTR videos. I just hope warriors are good in season 3.

[prime bramble]

Odds are arms or fury will be middle of the pack at minimum

Will be fine imo

[smoky kayak]

I don’t think anyone here disagrees lol, we all want War to be good

[prime bramble]

Selfishly would love one of them to be m+ meta for once

[sour forge]

I honestly don’t even need to be meta

[sacred zodiac]

you really need to stop inferring spec performance from ptr unless the raid is literally releasing tmrw

[prime bramble]

If not just to help my q times

[silk basalt]

I'll admit, but it's true that on many YouTube tier lists, Warrior is listed as the lowest tier at 11.2.

[sacred zodiac]

tier lists are a genuinely terrible source of information and you should stop using them for anything other than entertainment

[silk basalt]

Yeah, I know you're right, but I'm still worried. I want to play a dps ware in both raids and keystone in season 3.

[sour forge]

Plus the people making tier lists don’t really have depth of knowledge on all the classes

[reef glade]

arms aoe still gonna boom in m+

and fury still gonna boom in raid

[sour forge]

Then play warrior. You’ll be fine

[silk basalt]

I agree. I hope that continues into season 3.

[silk basalt]

I feel like this confusion comes to me every time before the season starts. Maybe I lack faith in my warriors. Or maybe I'm just a performance junkie.

[brazen sun]

hey yall . one question about arms mastery ! does stacking mastery means bleed damage increase or just the overall damage from other spells

[grim oasis]

What content do you typically "cap out" at

Cuz m+ phys comp is like 1 key level below r1, and every raid needs a warrior

[half vine]

It would feel good to have like 6 weeks for warrior to have 20%+ popularity in top keys. Has not happened for 1 week since BFA launched. Only DPS class that hasn't seen 1 week of 20%+ in M+ meta in 4 expansions

[grim oasis]

Pray for phys comp to take off

Which is probably will imo, it's alot more fun than playing wizards for the 6th season in a row

[silk basalt]

Agree. Warrior is good in raids. I also do mythic raids. My concern is that I only do global for m+(12-14) and there is a lot of rejection. I wish it was a little better in m+

[half vine]

Brew, mm, assa, war, resto d?

Or resto sham and replace warr or rogue with feral

[smoky kayak]

lol good luck with that

[grim oasis]

Guild keys?

[grim oasis]

The comp really wants rsham

Skyfury is insane

[half vine]

Right? It's definitely copium

[grim oasis]

We're going in next season with brew/rsham/war/feral and probably outlaw or fdk

[sour forge]

12-14 we will totally be fine. All dps suffer from getting invites to keys

[silk basalt]

I also use the guild key, but I can't go with my guild members every time. I'm satisfied with raids up to season 2. I just wish the m+ were a little better.

It's really good news that the monk synergy has been buffed by 8%.

[smoky kayak]

buffed to 8%

technically it was buffed by 60%

[half vine]

I think brew and resto druid is best tank/healer combo for brew

Could have enh replace Hunter, but 3 melee is tough

Brew/enh/warr/rogue/r druid
Brew/feral/hunter/warr (or rogue - BS isn't all that strong)/r sham

[shy tide]

prot war + mistweaver to shatter dreams and hopes

[silk basalt]

However, if warrior tanks become the meta, it seems like warrior DPS will be at a disadvantage in being invited to m+.

[thick kelp]

Prot war meta

[shy tide]

prot war + mistweaver sounds like a combo

[prime bramble]

Yea prot warrior meta gonna kill dps warrior vibes lol

Start practicing prot now boys

[olive nest]

Honestly mystic touch getting buffed just means we’ll be tuned around it and it will be ass to not have your 8% damage increase

Monk/shaman hard locked in the pug group

[silk basalt]

I really hate being a tank, but if I want to continue playing as a warrior, is there any other way? This point makes me think I should go for another job.

[smoky kayak]

lol that turned around real fast

[olive nest]

Jus play dps war if that’s what you want to do

Dps war players are literally doing the highest keys right now

[smoky kayak]

one person jokingly mentions prot war, better reroll!

[prime bramble]

It aint that serious, other tanks still need to run keys even if prot is meta

DH is meta atm and think about how many keys you've run without a DH tank

[silk basalt]

I'm a bit critical, so I'm sorry if I made you uncomfortable.

[prime bramble]

Or how many get one shot leaping into a group without the correct defensives..

[olive nest]

You’ll have a much more enjoyable time in wow when you realize you’ve been stressing over community perception for no reason at all

Just play what’s cool to you and get good at it

[smoky kayak]

sounds more insecure than critical; too concerned more with the state of meta than just playing what you enjoy in a video game

[prime bramble]

Im too dumb to learn another class. We are not the same.

[smoky kayak]

doesn't matter what dps you play, if you're meta or not, if you're playing in the 12-15 range there are always going to be more DPS looking for a key than spots to take, so you're always going to be fighting for a spot

[vast helm]

https://tenor.com/view/coffine-meme-coffin-dance-dance-gif-17123563

[finite grotto]

Warrior just hits the right vibes for me all things considered. Won’t ever be meta cause no utility and dmg is too easy to tune but it’s always a good time

[sacred zodiac]

what are ppl holding ava for on gally pull

[smoky kayak]

yes, being meta may help you get into higher keys down the line, but if you're pugging, you're always going to have some degree of struggle in getting groups - that's just the nature of pugging

[sacred zodiac]

just for the first adds?

[olive nest]

Yes

If you hold until first add spawn

[smoky kayak]

as Arms you can yeah, no point as Fury though

[sacred zodiac]

bs aswell or do you cool that down in time

[olive nest]

Your CDs align with the first intermission add spawn

I send cs bs on pull

[smoky kayak]

depends on how fast those adds get blown up in your raid though

[sacred zodiac]

sounds good ty

[olive nest]

But if your guild doesn’t delay kick

It won’t be back up

[smoky kayak]

yeah, groups that kick early make me cry

[olive nest]

Well it can be back up with giga rng

But like my guild doesn’t delay kick and it’s up maybe 1/5 pulls?

[latent moss]

holy wordplay

[olive nest]

Cool that down moment

[silk basalt]

Yeah, it's true that I have a lot of worries. I need to make the game more enjoyable.

[latent hull]

lol even legacy bosses can parry me

[reef glade]

Cool that down

[olive nest]

Get owned

[reef glade]

🔥 🌹

[half vine]

1 change that would be amazing

Battle shout is now a % primary stat buff

[olive nest]

It’s actually one the stronger ones as is

[smoky kayak]

that would make it worse lol

[sacred zodiac]

this boss sucks

[reef glade]

[sacred zodiac]

[smoky kayak]

casters would want it, but it would actually be worse for everyone else

[sacred zodiac]

her resurrected and about to return on ptr

[half vine]

Really? How would the math be worse for majority?

[smoky kayak]

because AP is a much larger number than primary stats

[shadow ibex]

not having monk in ur party is gonna be fucking awful next month

[smoky kayak]

really have a talent for making the worst out of everything

[grim oasis]

Yeah enjoy being balanced around a 8% debuff

[shadow ibex]

its over 50% stronger now

[half vine]

Interesting.

[smoky kayak]

real question is whether they are balancing around the expectation of that buff or not; if I had to guess it's probably somewhere in the middle

[slow saddle]

So we gonna fuck

6% aura buff inc

[bronze tiger]

is there a bluepost for it?

thinking of maining my warrior next season, trying to get caught up on all the updates

[sacred zodiac]

check again near raid release

[river ridge]

Still, sounds like Physical Comp is shaping up to be very good. You'll need a Warrior in some capacity for it

[smoky kayak]

Novix rn

[river ridge]

XD

[thick kelp]

Novix

[reef glade]

big fan of novix

[tacit crystal]

lol

[bronze tiger]

thats too long, i have to have an answer for my RL within like the next week

currently my choices are rogue or warrior

[tacit crystal]

sounds like your rl is a chud

[slow saddle]

Only if, either warrior is buffed or ww is big

[bronze tiger]

i mean i get it, he wants people to pick as soon as possible to he can bench or whatever. but at the same time - you can choose a class and it ends up performing poorly

[slow saddle]

Wait monk healer-war tank-hunter-feral-?

[grim oasis]

ww in keys is pretty mid now

mw can't survive big keys for shit

[shadow ibex]

brew probably best source of it

[smoky kayak]

nobody has an answer, not even blizzard - the nature of the game is constant and often unexpected changes both before and after launch

• if you want to play whichever is better, prep both and be ready to swap on the fly as needed
• otherwise, pick the one you enjoy most and stick with it

[grim oasis]

yup it's likely to be brew

[slow saddle]

True but warrior also bad so

Ww vs warrior in key

[sacred zodiac]

i severely doubt your guild is at a level where they pick classes over players

[slow saddle]

Brew is big, but so is prot war

[sacred zodiac]

pick whichever is more fun for you and send it

[slow saddle]

I mean i reckon

[shadow ibex]

true prot war might be real answer

[grim oasis]

Alot of phys comp enjoyers just play the spec they're best at

[slow saddle]

Stick with 1 class per expansion

And then have an alt u play so u rdy for next expansion

[bronze tiger]

i got into a CE guild finally

[slow saddle]

Seamless transition

[sacred zodiac]

ce is still not a level you care about class over player at

[shadow ibex]

i dont think we'll have a brew in guild

[slow saddle]

Picking classes early is more to fill s roster prob spongie

So u dont end up with 5 dks

[bronze tiger]

warrior has always been my favorite, i just played alot of rogue s2 so going from one to another just feels like night and day difference currently

[shadow ibex]

ive seen them playing everything but brew in our reclears

[latent moss]

warrior bad = i dont want revvez

[bronze tiger]

i get it, my RL is letting my choose since i can perform well on whichever i decide to play. i think he just wants to lock people in, instead of changing last minute and we have like 6 hunters

[slow saddle]

This

Like is a big issue in low lvl guilds

[latent moss]

i mean u need warrior anyway

and we will be decent at leas

t

we just suck dick in m+

[slow saddle]

Yeah i mean current logs

[latent moss]

which is irrelevant cause most dps warriors usually tank first week

[slow saddle]

Doesnt look good ngl

[latent moss]

at least from my experience

[eager sigil]

fr

[bronze tiger]

i think we suck in M+ currently due to our CDs not lining up iirc?

could be wrong

[eager sigil]

arms is good rn

in phys comp

fury is just kinda bad because it does lesss dam

[old star]

guys do we have talent trees for ptr testing? checked around but didnt see sorry if i couldnt find them

[eager sigil]

nothing changed

[thick kelp]

sks now

as colossi

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[eager sigil]

yea i assume hes asking about raid

since testing is today

[slow saddle]

Raid 100%

[old star]

ye i was

tyty

[slow saddle]

M+ is what ever on ptr, like im not good enough to blame class for not timed keys😅🤣

[sacred zodiac]

true

[shadow ibex]

wanna play colossus on ptr test but tier set is bugged

and doesnt go away

[slow saddle]

I just want col to super fuck in st

So i can rock it raid

[thick kelp]

Bad news blud

[latent moss]

bearer of bad news has come

[fresh spire]

Bad news

It's a fury tier unless we get a solid 10% buff. Could be worse. Unholy dk sims 25% more than warrior

[dim basalt]

...25%?

[shadow ibex]

trademark 6-12 buff

ive heard this story before

[thick kelp]

Trademark execute nerf

into 5% aura

[fresh spire]

Dk on their 4th week of tons of changes but we got hamstring change

[shadow ibex]

rework breath 3 times

yo check out dance of death

[lilac vapor]

hey guys, what belt ability i use for raid? still charged bolts? or critical chain ?

[thick kelp]

Crit

[lilac vapor]

ty

[short spear]

so is dps warrior bad in dungeons on ptr?

[oak quartz]

For sure.

[short spear]

my tank friend been playing on the ptr and has been saying they do less damage

[bronze tiger]

tuning still needs to happen im assuming

[oak quartz]

More nerf? Probably.

[short spear]

no nerf just how they have been the entire time for my friend in dungeons on the ptr

[candid pecan]

there...is...still...time

[bronze tiger]

why has dk gotten so much love this whole expansion

theyve had like 3 reworks

Khaz paying off the devs?

[vast helm]

anybody can speak for us?

[bronze tiger]

lookin at you Archi

https://tenor.com/view/favorite-person-evil-eye-dirty-look-mad-gif-14680527

[rare kite]

Next expansion mate

[slow saddle]

And fdk sims above uh doesnt it?

Resto-brew-arms-hunter-+?

[rare kite]

Thiink you play enhance over healer sham

[slow saddle]

Well could be dk as well?

If its strong enough1
🤣

[rare kite]

Doesn't bring a buff. But if strong enough i suppose

[slow saddle]

Or resto druid?

And enc sham

[dim basalt]

Is brew that good?

[rare kite]

Yeah

[slow saddle]

Brew does more m+.dmg than fury atm

🤣

[olive nest]

Brm/rsham/war/outlaw/ feral - hunter

Ez AP gamer group

[bronze tiger]

3 melee dps?

[slow saddle]

Hunter

[bronze tiger]

could the feral not be boomy?

[quaint otter]

wrong

pwar sham ww outlaw/mm feral

[bronze tiger]

lul, you guys know outlaw is horrible right now on ptr

top rogue players are getting slapped on the dps meters

[smoky kayak]

we all knew DK was gonna be strong after last tier

[fresh spire]

another dk tier smh

[reef glade]

dk uncapped aoe nerfed btw

(5% loss on 20 targets)

[bronze tiger]

lul

[olive nest]

25% more ST for 5% less aoe on 20 targets

[smoky kayak]

idk yall kept saying changing target caps would fix everything

[bronze tiger]

let everyone reroll dk, and watch it get nerfed into oblivion like S1

[shy tide]

when the 3000%ap button goes to a 2500% button

its over

[slow saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

Keep in mind they buffed wounds to compensate for loss

[vast helm]

i remember this two words when we were in DF 10. patch, dejavu man.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

NEXT EXPANSION

[rare kite]

DF arms wasn't nearly as disliked as TWW is

tho ofcourse we still expected a rework in tww

[shadow breach]

what is the /use number for the wweapon slot?

[slow saddle]

Lets be honest if col had been the better raid spec we wouldda loved arms

[rare kite]

idk if loved but definetely liked it way more that's forsure

[slow saddle]

True love was to strong a word

But rav + exe is fun

[vast helm]

It's true, aside from shockwave and the stam, our talent trees have a lot more synergy.

[teal fossil]

what synergy

2h spec?

the tree is def not the issue

if anything i think the tree is slightly better now than it was before outside of storm of swords

[shadow ibex]

I think its pretty damning that we've used same exact talents for soon to be 3 tiers now

And that's with hero specs further muddying the waters in favor of more talent options

[teal fossil]

ya thats a valid complaint

[shadow ibex]

Despite that besides brief time in s1 when we ran ff we've played this and will play this

[smoky kayak]

not entirely

the prime talents being too universal is definitely an issue (though more so for Fury than Arms), but Arms has been moving towards better diversity, namely bleeds, SkS, & Battlelord vs Execute amps & Juggernaut

[rare kite]

battlelord should be baseline as long as tactician is on overpower imo. not because of power, but because of flow

[spiral coral]

I think it’s 16 main hand, 17 off hand but it’s been awhile

[shadow breach]

yeah you right, just got the mythic bandit weapon, so wasnt sure when i should be using it

trinket first or wep first

[minor gust]

hmmmmmm I wonder where that 10% Execute nerf went

[fresh spire]

to monk buff

[minor gust]

so cool gonna make it feel even better when our one and only monk player is out on farm

[fresh spire]

yep!

no monk in raid? one button rotation activated

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277500347516321792/1371480590284750948/1x.webp

week 2 over buff cheat sheet:
evoker :PB_greenticking:
mage :PB_greenticking:
warrior :PB_redticking:
priest :PB_greenticking:
warlock :PB_greenticking:

cant emote FUARK

[sharp wyvern]

hey man the monk raid buff buff is a buff to warrior too

[fresh spire]

yeh now your monk misses raid and you are tuned around that buff so you are missing even more damage as one of the little PURE physical damage classes

unlike most other melee that are half magic

[sharp wyvern]

are casters not tuned around intelect buff and DH buff

whats the issue here ?

[fresh spire]

yeh but its going to always be a bigger loss for us now when monk missing vs other physical classes as most are half magic half phys, where magic classes just lose a flat 5%

[swift crown]

DH and Mage buffs are actually already 3%

[smoky kayak]

on the other hand, Chaos Brand still accounts for way more overall damage than Mythic Touch, so losing that is still far more impactful

[fresh spire]

[fresh spire]

to the rest of the raid sure

Hunters(non Rangers) and warriors would like to talk

[smoky kayak]

yes to the raid overall, being that its a raid buff

there's also the question of whether you're actually tuned around the buff being present or not, or somewhere in between

[fresh spire]

100% we are

[smoky kayak]

I think it's probably somewhere in between

[sharp wyvern]

i can only see the argument that you wont parse without a monk
but thats already the case

[bronze tiger]

just like how we were tuned around the fyrak lego

[teal fossil]

yeah i think this is the nuance

[smoky kayak]

p much

[sharp wyvern]

its only bad on an individual level

[teal fossil]

but i think its just gonna throw things out of whack in m+

[smoky kayak]

M+ was never in whack to begin with lol

[minor gust]

We have to be tuned around the buffs right? Blizz tunes Mythic raid assuming you have all buffs available.