arms

[rare kite]

tho i'd rather swim in rage than starve

[shadow ibex]

You don't even play the spec by your own words lol

Go look at rage graph for quick sim

Looks very similar to DF

[steep osprey]

I could be wrong, it feels that way to me

[shadow ibex]

Seriously you can just go do that if you aren't convinced

[steep osprey]

I don't know what it was in DF specifically

[shadow ibex]

Just go look at average rage from quick sim

[steep osprey]

to compare

[boreal quartz]

man

box do u like

have brain damage

its the reck on cs

not exactly

big secret

[steep osprey]

I'm not gonna talk to someone calling me brain damaged unprovoked

fuck off

[shadow ibex]

We also had an off gcd rage dump

[boreal quartz]

its not unprovoked

[shadow ibex]

And rage still feels largely the same

[boreal quartz]

you play warlock

its stating a fact atp

[steep osprey]

I've been talking to schrodinger and he hasn't insulted me in any time even though I have been wrong

[boreal quartz]

and we have yapped since sl and i have done so occasionally

arent u kinda immune to it nowadays

[steep osprey]

That's also a reason I thought it was way more in DF

I'll have to check the sims though

[boreal quartz]

id argue if you had the exact same rage as in DF

the gameplay would be even more hideous

[shadow ibex]

I don't think they touched income besides reck cs

Just spent and tact chance

Idk why we can't have reck cs if they just take the rage away

We aren't using avatar reck for rage

Idk shits stupid

[steep osprey]

Did they reduce the crit chance from it?

Or just rage generation

[shadow ibex]

rage was lowered but it lasts longer or something weird

idk its a special version of reck

the crit # doesn't matter that's just tuning

[steep osprey]

I don't know why they wouldn't leave it on CS if they nerfed it

[shadow ibex]

they said they changd it to help with rage.

[steep osprey]

instead of removing it from CS and nerfing it lol

[shadow ibex]

but they can just remove the rage income

[steep osprey]

Yeah, I'd rather it didn't have additional rage gen and only crit

so it can go back to CS again

[shadow ibex]

that's assuming they meant what they said

mind you same people who said no more exe CM stacks cuz colossus was using execute too much

despite it using execute same as any other warrior spec with EP

only time it "spammed" execute was during ravager when your ravager would cast MS for you, which if anything was a really cool gameplay thing to do specific to colossus

[steep osprey]

Didn't it get to a point where Colossus was spamming it in Execute though?

I don't know if this is true

[shadow ibex]

only during ravager

[steep osprey]

Oh okay

[shadow ibex]

and only because ravager ate your EP with its MS

you only spammed it when it made sense to spam it. the alternative would be trying to fit in your mortal strike between your own ravager which is just silly

if you didn't want to spam it i mean

[latent moss]

idk ep as colossus is

the rage gen

[shadow ibex]

im just explaining away their reasoning

i know its bad

[latent moss]

even with 2x ct and shaman

[shadow ibex]

just explaining how their reasoning for exe CM made 0 sense

[latent moss]

ye ik im just saying

[steep osprey]

We haven't talked in a while and it feels odd to be coming onto me like this out of nowhere, but I'll apologize, I think I may have overreacted

[shadow ibex]

this is also a symptom of their change tho

if we got a stack from execute, it would feel better to eat that shitty rage cost/refund

[steep osprey]

I think the rage gen for colossus has been an issue since the inception of the rage changes

[boreal quartz]

dont apologize for standing up for yourself

[steep osprey]

esepcialy during execute

[latent moss]

nah

[shadow ibex]

rage wasn't changed tho in that way

[latent moss]

it always felt shit

[steep osprey]

forgot to say in execute

[shadow ibex]

colossus simply cant afford to take the various exe rage talents

[latent moss]

they gutted our gen and kept exe at 20-40

even if u do

slayer has sd procs filling the gaps

colo just starvees

[minor gust]

I think theres nothing wrong with exe being dead for colossus

[latent moss]

which idc about

fuck execute anyway

let me ms and demolish

[minor gust]

^

if you wanna hit execute and it do dmg play slayer idk

[shadow ibex]

im just explaining the execute CM change lol

like

im not saying execute needs to hit for 900k for colossus

im explaining the exe CM change and why it didn't make sense

[steep osprey]

What if 2x EP stacks MS procced an additional CM stack

[latent moss]

idk i just wish demo cdr was on am

[boreal quartz]

what if we went back to a better iteration of our spec o7

[steep osprey]

Are you still unsubbed

[latent moss]

9.2

[boreal quartz]

im playing mop classic with some friends

[shadow ibex]

i wish it had warbreaker animation

[minor gust]

14.0 with the arms rework

[boreal quartz]

so i made a warrior in cata and kinda cbad out of finishing gearing

ngl

[steep osprey]

9 years ago

[latent moss]

sl arms fucked

[steep osprey]

Stop

[boreal quartz]

it did

[latent moss]

idc what people say

[boreal quartz]

left char is mine

[shadow ibex]

you can play best version of fury now at least

[latent moss]

ms doing 3x of ur dps

[shadow ibex]

mop fury probably best designed spec this game has ever seen

[boreal quartz]

cata fury felt horribly dogshit

icl

[shadow ibex]

go enjoy it while you can

[rare kite]

7-9 years ago for legion. 11-13 years for MoP, i'd take either

[boreal quartz]

and mop fury is fake till SOO allegedly

[steep osprey]

The only version of SL arms I remember is condemn so that might be why I think it sucked

[boreal quartz]

s2 arms

[shadow ibex]

played it just fine all of mop

[boreal quartz]

i enjoy doing damage

[latent moss]

s2

[shadow ibex]

it does

[latent moss]

nigthfae enduring blow

[boreal quartz]

like box u got ce on arms on sylv surely u remember the nf version

[shadow ibex]

just dont waste raging blow

[steep osprey]

Did S2 arms even have EP?

[minor gust]

Think they buffed fury for MOP classic tho arms still prob gonna be better early

[boreal quartz]

no

[latent moss]

no

but exe astrofucked

[boreal quartz]

it did nothing but replace slam in exe

and ms on cd

[steep osprey]

Oh so basically the classic arms gameplay

[shadow ibex]

we also had 1 op charge back then

[boreal quartz]

rend manually like a chad

[shadow ibex]

so you cant munch OP charges

[latent moss]

nah we had two

dreadnaught gave u 2

[shadow ibex]

GUYS IT IT WORTH APPLYING REND IN EXE

[latent moss]

we played single charge in s1 cause ravager

[shadow ibex]

yea but

[steep osprey]

lmao

[shadow ibex]

that was DN

[steep osprey]

I remember that

The rend in execute conundrum

[shadow ibex]

didnt it share row with major CD

[latent moss]

dn absolutely fucked

ravager

and anger management

[shadow ibex]

yea

[latent moss]

it was am dn and something

bro @boreal quartz how peak was sl arms

no cancer am gameplay

[steep osprey]

If only we had Bloodletting in SL

[shadow ibex]

i thought it was avatar

[latent moss]

every button fucks

simple slow fun gameplay

[shadow ibex]

i thought DN was the final row with avatar

[latent moss]

nah ava was with iftk and deadly calm

[boreal quartz]

i hate this bot bro

also mortal combo

clang clang

[latent moss]

MORTAL COMBOOOOOOOO

[steep osprey]

can't even say the r word anymore, games gone

[minor gust]

AM is fine but having multiple different sources of cdr fucks it hard

[latent moss]

PIPE

FUCK AM

DELETE AM FROM ARMS NOW

[boreal quartz]

^^

AM is the devil

[shadow ibex]

i remember posting about the auto attack bug

[boreal quartz]

juggernaut is baal

[latent moss]

a lot of devils in this spec ngl

[shadow ibex]

oh and when we got MS buffed in first tier

[steep osprey]

I'm starting to remember more now, Mortal Combo was definitely great

[boreal quartz]

colatteral damage in st

[shadow ibex]

but mortal combo MS wasn't benefiting from the 25% ms buff we got

[minor gust]

AM is misunderstood

[shadow ibex]

[boreal quartz]

we love bugging WB

[shadow ibex]

LMAO

FUCK HOW MANY TIMES

i forgot to swap off war breaker

[steep osprey]

Not the collateral damage in ST

[boreal quartz]

i mean it had zero impact

so u had perma wb in all content

so based

[shadow ibex]

nah nah nah

[boreal quartz]

to be able to do aoe

in raid talents

[shadow ibex]

warbreaker didnt extend

the colossus smash

[boreal quartz]

gameplay wise i mean

[shadow ibex]

from EB

[steep osprey]

doesn't matter, the main draw was the proc and the sound effect

[boreal quartz]

ik the bug

[shadow ibex]

that was the dark shit

i frogot what boss i always fucked up

[boreal quartz]

like if u play "full st" u have wb bs AA

and SS on dn

[shadow ibex]

i think you played WB on the nine? and i never went back to CD for nerzul

[boreal quartz]

now if u wanna pad a slayer

[shadow ibex]

or swapped off WB i mean

[boreal quartz]

u have tc rend and bs roar ss kinda

but it stinks

[latent moss]

it was so based man

same talents in raid and m+

[boreal quartz]

i think u played collat on 9 with bonegrinder

[latent moss]

just no wb cause bug but

[steep osprey]

I think the change of the talent trees messed up with our rotation being perfect like it was in SL s2

[boreal quartz]

if u were executie n shit

[latent moss]

nah cause

wanna know why

[shadow ibex]

im tryin to remember what boss i used WB on then

[boreal quartz]

i think its the addition or omission of good stuff

[latent moss]

BLAST FROM THE PAST

TEST OF MIGHT

[shadow ibex]

cuz i remember being pissed

[latent moss]

IMMEDIATELY s1

worst iteration fo arms EVER

[boreal quartz]

i mean KT / Sylv / PS

u all use wb

[latent moss]

cs slam slam slam slam slam

sks wiht tom

[shadow ibex]

that i still had WB instead of CS

[steep osprey]

The amount of stuff helping with rage gen in that tree was insane tbh

[boreal quartz]

i think dropping mortal combo is sad

[steep osprey]

It made the priority go out of whack

[boreal quartz]

rlly fun way to make MS do x% mroe dam

[shadow ibex]

now we have EB

[latent moss]

EB is cool asfuck but mortal combo was way more satisfying

[boreal quartz]

i mean SOS is objectely cool as fuck

[latent moss]

i will say it

[steep osprey]

I don't know if I want EB back tbh

[latent moss]

EB on 2t clears mortal combo

[boreal quartz]

good and shouldve stayed

[latent moss]

nothing better than spamming ms on 2t

[boreal quartz]

EB + MC 🤤

[shadow ibex]

i dont like EB being useless when boss reaches 35%

[latent moss]

hoooly peak

[shadow ibex]

thats my biggest problem

[latent moss]

same with blord i mean ye

[shadow ibex]

obv colossus it isnt

but as slayer

feels dumb YAY MS RESET

[dim basalt]

I dont think theres a fix for it though

[shadow ibex]

too bad you aint pressing this shit

[latent moss]

cause tree is split into blord/jugg

i dont think it matters tbf

[dim basalt]

Unless you make EP really weak so pressing MS back to back is better

[latent moss]

it has good value outside

[shadow ibex]

add a % dmg to make it more exciting

to the reset i mean

[dim basalt]

Or that yeah

[shadow ibex]

but its really just matter of the reset doing nothing sub 35

[steep osprey]

I think you can easily fix arms rotation by just reverting to Legion and slightly reducing the impact of the mastery thus making the tact resets more frequent, while still making it impactful

[shadow ibex]

could move that talent higher up

and replace with something

[steep osprey]

thoughts

[dim basalt]

You could do anything to the Arms tree and it would be better than what we have right now

[shadow ibex]

i think EB is pretty hard to get away from for any build. even if it was only like a 1% loss for slayer it still feels wayyy better than not

[dim basalt]

Its so doomed

[steep osprey]

Is that a challenge?

[dim basalt]

[steep osprey]

Would you prefer EB or MC

[latent moss]

reverse devoker mastery

fuck it

[dim basalt]

Fuck yeah

[latent moss]

cba

[shadow ibex]

i would start at fatality

[latent moss]

bot

[shadow ibex]

and work up

dance of death

[steep osprey]

I think they should fix the rage gen during execute for colossus

[fresh spire]

start at jug

and work to the left

[steep osprey]

Delete Jug

[shadow ibex]

if i had my way dance of death

would let us cast during BS

[steep osprey]

Move Critical Thinking rage refund

to Improved Execute

[shadow ibex]

now thats a dance of death

me casting execute while i bladestorm

me casting cleave while i bladestorm

[latent moss]

and then for ravager

[shadow ibex]

who?

[latent moss]

ms and cleave extend ravager

maybe even execute

[shadow ibex]

ravager nonono

it copies your attacks

[latent moss]

imagine perma ravager

[shadow ibex]

[latent moss]

as slayer

just execute

[steep osprey]

MoP Arms is very close to SL arms s2

[shadow ibex]

ravager mirroring your attacks

[steep osprey]

Kind of

[shadow ibex]

would go so hard

make that a hero class

[minor gust]

ravager just a warrior dancing rune weapon

[steep osprey]

That's just Dancing Rune Weapon

[shadow ibex]

yea but its cool not lame

give it its own EP stacks

[boreal quartz]

especially if it does its own sound

it sounds kino

[shadow ibex]

imagine you and your ravager

[latent moss]

hoooly

[boreal quartz]

and then sweep

[latent moss]

mortal combo sound on every ms repeated

[boreal quartz]

and u get x3 ms

with mortal combo

[latent moss]

4x ms

[steep osprey]

Have you logged in for the remix yet, check the warrior changes?

[boreal quartz]

wdym remox

[latent moss]

ms rava repeats thats 4

• mortal combo

[steep osprey]

prepatch lol

mb

[boreal quartz]

i just logged into cata and fixed my weakauras

[latent moss]

weakaura andy 🥀

[boreal quartz]

and then didnt rlly check out the rota yet

[boreal quartz]

idk i enjoy was more than m+

[steep osprey]

Rotation is pretty similar I guess

[shadow ibex]

yall say dancing rune weapon

[steep osprey]

MS on cd, slam during CS assuming U have enough rage, and OP otherwise

[shadow ibex]

think more remoria

[latent moss]

real

[shadow ibex]

not a fuckin DK ability

[steep osprey]

Sadly arms doesn't really use heroic strike much in MOP

[boreal quartz]

ion like HS

boring spell

[shadow ibex]

fury and HS

[latent moss]

nah but imagine slayer capstone

[shadow ibex]

like peanutbutter and jelly

[latent moss]

during avatar u can cast exe

[steep osprey]

The only way you'd press it is during heavy aoe while in berserk stance

[latent moss]

regardless of hp

hoooly condemn

[steep osprey]

Yeah fury uses it a lot more

especially since fury uses less rage than arms

[shadow ibex]

its the skill ceiling really

[boreal quartz]

good change

[shadow ibex]

that and RB charges

[steep osprey]

During Wings you can use Hammer of Wrath

same thing

[latent moss]

no it isnt

hammer of wrath is lame as fuck

[steep osprey]

Lmao

That's true

[steep osprey]

I don't know if I like the enrage RB gameplay without crit chance

I think they should buff it by making BT crit at 3x the rate

instead of 2x

That was a thing in WoD and they implemented a lot of WoD changes/buffs already

So why not that one

[shadow ibex]

cuz that was mop fury

now go reroll worgen

best fury race 1% crit =2% crit on BT

HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE

[steep osprey]

Nah orc still has free expertise and blood fury

[shadow ibex]

worgen still bis

[minor gust]

bis on paper

but then you have to play Alliance

[steep osprey]

^

[shadow ibex]

darkflight

[steep osprey]

A no go

[shadow ibex]

to outrun all you haters

[minor gust]

Alliance in a point of time when any player with a brain is playing horde

hard pass

[shadow ibex]

idk how they did it in SL when game as at all time low

[boreal quartz]

im orc cuz horde

i like the look of troll but didnt commit to it so ye

not relevelling

[minor gust]

I went troll

[shadow ibex]

my war probably been troll longest out of everything

just cant stand it. plate looks awful

[boreal quartz]

troll is funny concept but works in like 5 sets

[shadow ibex]

berserking and beast slaying in ToT

[boreal quartz]

big true

[steep osprey]

Troll is really good for aff

broken even

[shadow ibex]

im almost tempted to play mop for fury alone

[steep osprey]

People would laugh at you in private servers if you didn't play aff troll for SoO lol

[shadow ibex]

but leveling + no guild or group or gold

is classic stuff gdkp or w/e also?

[steep osprey]

Yo did you see the changes they made for warrior in MoP?

[shadow ibex]

do they do that in cata and shit

[steep osprey]

it's actually kinda funny

let me check

[steep osprey]

I remember it being banned but that could be another version

[latent moss]

try tauren

[steep osprey]

@shadow ibex

No min range

[shadow ibex]

What

[steep osprey]

xdd

[latent moss]

macro time

[shadow ibex]

What the fuck

[latent moss]

i love using my utility for damage

[shadow ibex]

Why

I mean ngl we woulda loved this in mop cuz that's guaranteed rage for heroic strikes inside cs

[steep osprey]

It's basically a rage generator lol

[shadow ibex]

You needed like 90 rage before cs got x3 HS casts as fury

[steep osprey]

Tbh you use it like that anyway, with charge weaving

but they made it easier idk

[shadow ibex]

Iirc could only get 3 off

[boreal quartz]

Hate it

[steep osprey]

Did u see the image I posted phil

[boreal quartz]

I get neck pain looking at their hump

[shadow ibex]

That's so silly. Why did they remove the min range tho

Like what's the reasoning

[latent moss]

legit cant

[boreal quartz]

Is that from SoD or what

[steep osprey]

Not having to go away to charge weave in

[latent moss]

make them look good

[steep osprey]

It might actually be, idk

[shadow ibex]

Is it purely for rage and thus damage?

[boreal quartz]

Yuh

Agree

[steep osprey]

but they implemented it in MoP

[steep osprey]

yep

[shadow ibex]

That's so silly lol

[boreal quartz]

It's full set deluxe race

[steep osprey]

oh they also buffed SS to 60% instead of the original 50% in mop

[shadow ibex]

I would hate that on live. I would never have charges of charge

Lol

I would waste them all 100% on rage gen

[steep osprey]

Only works every 12 seconds

[shadow ibex]

And not have any to move to a mob

[steep osprey]

I use Juggernaut though, which is charge every 12 instead of 20

[shadow ibex]

What are they cooking

[steep osprey]

this is so damn good

2 yards tho lmao

mobs hugging

[shadow ibex]

Funnily enough charge was bugged most of cata back on live and you could charge in melee as arms with juggernaut

With that talent that gave +25% crit on ms after a charge

[steep osprey]

Yeah that's a good talent

[shadow ibex]

It helped keep arms propped up in early cata tiers

That bug I mean

[rare kite]

yuh, SS is perma as well in MoP

they should combine some of the things in previous expansions. lots of good things we used to have

[minor gust]

rage cost on SS sucks

gimmie my glyph to remove it

[steep osprey]

It's not a big issue with the glyph that generates rage on each target hit during SS

[minor gust]

im not that impressed with MOP arms but not 90 yet in mop gear so not sure

currently cata arms feels better to me

[shadow ibex]

Arms was busted at launch

I remember dueling people with shadowmourne and being immortal with second wind

Avatar was complete root immunity for the whole duration

[steep osprey]

Is this actually true? I always thought it's just on use

[mortal crag]

stats looking alright?

[steep osprey]

No, delete char

[mortal crag]

fuck off

dumbo

https://tenor.com/view/trailer-park-boys-randy-barb-frig-off-gif-18710450

[steep osprey]

looks good to me

Don't you want more crit

[latent moss]

is this retail or mop

[mortal crag]

both

retail remix

[latent moss]

[mortal crag]

im just simming rn

[steep osprey]

This is not mop lol, the stats page doesn't look like this

and it doesn't have vers

[mortal crag]

im playing movespeed blasphemite

[minor gust]

Good boy

[mortal crag]

:3

[minor gust]

more people need to be like you

[steep osprey]

I also use that one (I don't)

[boreal quartz]

Tf is retail remix

[minor gust]

if I inspect a melee player using the crit blasphemite ima lose it

[latent moss]

bro ion know

[mortal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-dum-dum-tiss-dum-dum-tsss-drums-meme-gif-2956265264192371708

[steep osprey]

I was wondering if I should bother with legion raid mounts since we're getting legion remix

[latent moss]

need crit cro 🥀

[mortal crag]

ANYWAYS

i was gonna ask

need more crit vro?

🥀

[latent moss]

for colo ye

[mortal crag]

simming

yeh im colomaxxing

[minor gust]

colossus keys crit crit crit and crit rest doesnt matter

[steep osprey]

mastery is good too, no?

[minor gust]

its all good

after crit

[mortal crag]

fr?

just that much crit?

sims show haste in ST

waiting for aoe rn

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b7ukq1woaRsuUL9qCMPQLp

4min ST with no lust or skyfury cuz im a shamanless dog

[steep osprey]

damn

isn't 3m the norm in that ilvl

what's wrong with the sim

[mortal crag]

bro cant read no skyfury and no BL and its a 4min sim

+im a fury main

[minor gust]

also prob in colossus M+ talents

[steep osprey]

I ignored it mentally

[mortal crag]

yeah

[steep osprey]

sorry

[mortal crag]

colossus m+ talents

correct

[steep osprey]

Please forgive my transgressions

[mortal crag]

i shant

[shadow ibex]

At launch it was immunity

We got nerfed fast

[steep osprey]

sheesh

I just realized Avatar got introduced in MoP

interesting

[shadow ibex]

Yea

[steep osprey]

it was 3 mins lol

kinda too long

[shadow ibex]

We didn't use it as our major offensive until df I think?

It always shared a row with good stuff

[steep osprey]

I think you used it in Legion M+ sometimes

[latent moss]

sim some mastery

@mortal crag

[shadow ibex]

Idr sl completely tho

[steep osprey]

in big aoe dungeons

[latent moss]

in sl

[shadow ibex]

I didn't play leg so no idea there either

[latent moss]

u played ava perma

besides s1

[mortal crag]

wym sim mastery

[latent moss]

where u played deadly calm for a bit

to condemn spam

[latent moss]

sim some mastery enchants and shit

[shadow ibex]

That was fake

[latent moss]

mastery is giant on colo

[shadow ibex]

The deadly calm condemn

[steep osprey]

Remember this?

[latent moss]

idk i remember it very early s1

[shadow ibex]

P sure it was trolling from this discord

[mortal crag]

"bro needs to critmax"

also bro

"sim some mastery"

i hope u die

[shadow ibex]

It was played for like week 1 dungeons

[steep osprey]

ingame

[mortal crag]

🥀

ingame

[latent moss]

idk i quit s1 fast

venthyr arms was peak dogshit

[shadow ibex]

I was there the whole time and yea

[latent moss]

s2 was peak

[steep osprey]

lmfao

[shadow ibex]

The DC thing was a meme from here iirc

[latent moss]

idk why u have so much haste

[shadow ibex]

4 free condemns

[mortal crag]

Cuz I PLAY FURY

[steep osprey]

I'm pretty sure DC was actually used for a bit

[mortal crag]

VRO

isnt CRIT HASTE BIS?

???

[latent moss]

for colo

no

crit mastery

mostly

[mortal crag]

im checking top warr stat weights

and they all have RELATIVELY similar

[shadow ibex]

I played a lot of s1 sl more than I like to admit. Char for splits was another war

[mortal crag]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/zuljin/Kurim

[shadow ibex]

Like 9999% sure it was bait curated here

[mortal crag]

kurim has similar stas

stats

:3

grank has similar stats

[latent moss]

farover 21 cinderbrew

[mortal crag]

isnt taht buffed

from stuff like skyfury etc

im looking at base stats

[dim basalt]

Haste as col is whatever really

[steep osprey]

Ravager is basically a cooler version of Deadly Calm

[latent moss]

idk

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/eu/Ravencrest/Farover

idk im using farover cause he is colomaxxing

[mortal crag]

wait farover is US?

[latent moss]

eu

[mortal crag]

why it say en-us

u dog

[dim basalt]

Tahts the localization

[steep osprey]

Because he is US

he linked it

[latent moss]

he is shamanmaxxing

tho

[steep osprey]

are you US

N -> arms

[latent moss]

no

thats

localization

[steep osprey]

damn

what was your name before

[latent moss]

i opened some guy ragish sent

what before i change it perma

[steep osprey]

you seem familiar

yeah

[latent moss]

changed it to n -> arms cause people crying how shit fury is

[steep osprey]

what was it before

[latent moss]

turbotopcone

[steep osprey]

Oh I figured that

[latent moss]

gotta update the weakaura

from 3 mfe to >1

crazy

[steep osprey]

no, just press execute on Sd proc

easy

[latent moss]

@mortal crag idk keep playing bloodsurge if u are starving

u can op>ms sometimes to prevent starving but thats tricky to play

just play bloodsurge

or u can critmaxx more but thats hard to sim

[steep osprey]

idk if bloodsurge is that impactful in st

and aoe you don't rage starve for the most part

or ever

[latent moss]

u can starve on aoe easily with exhil

assuming u are ethical

[steep osprey]

that's true

[latent moss]

and u blast piro

prio

[latent moss]

or u can play finishing blows if u are starving on st

[steep osprey]

a lot more reason to be pressing MS next season

especially with the 100% dot buff

[minor gust]

you dont really starve in ST as colossus its aoe

[latent moss]

y

[minor gust]

when your spaming cleave and MS

[mortal crag]

so i just need more mastery now?

gonna recraft my feet and cloak to be crit/mast then

[latent moss]

ye

[steep osprey]

Oh shit I remembered how insanely tanky warrior is in MoP

lmao

casual 25% DR from changing to defensive stance

not to mention Second Wind

[latent moss]

rally still didnt get darkness treatment

btw

[dim basalt]

And not losing damage either

[steep osprey]

You are losing damage actually, you generate WAY less rage being in defensive stance

[dim basalt]

Oh

[steep osprey]

Lmao, you're not generating rage at all from auto attacks in defensive stance

[dim basalt]

[steep osprey]

yeah that's bad

ONly way is 1 rage every 3 seconds

[shadow ibex]

Yea we were rogues in plate really

[boreal quartz]

And then if it's a boss where u take damage

U go zerk

More damage

[shadow ibex]

Back when rogues were immortal

Also str gives parry

End of expac fury was walking around with like 40% parry

Easily tank a boss for a few swings with luck

Mop warrior was the best and it's not even a contest

Shield wall used to require a shield tho that seems gone

[steep osprey]

Spell Reflection required a shield too

that was all in cata

[shadow ibex]

You used to have to have a shield set

And the ui was bugged so unless you used a macro it was impossible to swap back to your weapon

[steep osprey]

You also needed to macro all your abilities because of stance dancing lol

glad they changed that in mop

[shadow ibex]

Stances were good

All 3 had a use

Mop was best warrior by country mile

[steep osprey]

Idk if that's true, I prefered the gameplay of BfA fury even though it wasn't perfect

and a lot of people are gonna say legion arms is better than mop

[shadow ibex]

Bfa was still BT filler filler BT correct

I credit that to MoP too

2 globals between every BT cast was peak

[steep osprey]

Yeah pretty much

Back when Rampage did more than BT and RB by a lot

good days

[slow saddle]

I mean

Df3 season 3

Bt was king as well no?

[shadow ibex]

Was more design not damage. Mop fury you had 2 globals between every bt cast and that's how it was designed. You could fill those globals and starve for rage in cs or have empty etc etc

[slow saddle]

Ok, i cant remember mop fury

I basicly quit in mop coz cba pandas

And theme

[steep osprey]

L take

[shadow ibex]

it was better than wod and sl and bfa at least

[void bay]

the world was amazing

[strange perch]

common reddit opinion

[shadow ibex]

we dont get things like the dragon raising thing

i wouldn't mind a mechanic like that again

totally optinal rep to raise/tame unique flying model mount

maybe its less cool now but the flying serpent thing was fuckin amazing on live. brand new animations for a flying mount

[swift crown]

Ragish that is not how Skyfury works

[mortal crag]

howd i know

i n ever even knew u can see someone's stats on wclogs

[swift crown]

Raid buffs dont give stats

[mortal crag]

how the fuck does he have 28k crit, 17k haste adn 17k mastery

i dont ahve enough stats for that amount

[dull siren]

fk ragish

[mortal crag]

thats 62k

i have 20k crit (WITH POTION), 13k haste and 12k mastery

thats 45k

so, him having that amount of stats there is wrong

or adds up with other things

[swift crown]

Can be a pre-pot

[mortal crag]

logs probably add these eyah

i guess

like trinket procs etc

his baseline is lower

[swift crown]

Logs should snapshot your stats at start of key

[mortal crag]

yeah

so he probs prepots and other stuff

[swift crown]

Depends on trinkets too ofc, if you use main stat instead of secondary trinkets

your secondaries will be lower in the snapshot

[mortal crag]

yeah i play hoc+pace

regardless though its all good i just need more mast less haste i gues

guess

we play alchemical chaos right?

[dull siren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1213335981781028904/1391129871438057472/image.png?ex=686ac627&is=686974a7&hm=30abb7f72989d485b54fcc8ffd5b2bf2b1d1d97c89c827870f30958e4545f965&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[mortal crag]

im playing rage

[dull siren]

@hexed saddle

rate my kezan 20stack

[mortal crag]

guys omg

found a celeb

@iron ibex omg

[slow saddle]

It was the take of me when it was released i hated the step away from demons and darkness to a more meme game

But i wouldnt say it was the correct take btw

[iron ibex]

not a celeb but hello

[wide pebble]

More like a savior. You and Noxiv broke the concept of the one meta

[wind flicker]

OMG A CELEB

[tacit crystal]

hi celeb

[wind flicker]

No not me him

x)

[minor gust]

OMG A CELEB

[wind flicker]

OMG A BOZO

😂

[minor gust]

[wind flicker]

Im considering if its worth it to dump a mil for a bandit kill

This heroic HOC and crafted 2h are bothering me

[tacit crystal]

nah

season ends 1 month

[wind flicker]

Yeah thats kinda what i figured

Just bothers me tho to have meh gear

[tacit crystal]

you still gap the bozos on the street so

[wind flicker]

Idk i havent really looked much at what others do

[minor gust]

if you got the gold to piss away fuck it but if not def not a big deal this late into the season and if your already in title range who cares.

[wind flicker]

Ye guess so, BIS and myth HOC is so big tho

So much damoucheee

[tacit crystal]

whats the sim diff

[wind flicker]

Idk the sim diff did it a while ago

[minor gust]

if you plan on doing keys to the end of the season fuck it slam it

[wind flicker]

But burst wise its quite a good diff

[void bay]

You will never go pro and earn the big bucks like DanWarr if you don't have mythic gear

[wind flicker]

I could never compare to danwarr

😄

Mostly because he isnt gaming warrior x)

[void bay]

Being serious, unless you have 10s of millions and are bored I wouldn't bother. I'm gonna let my sub run out til new content

Nothing to do that I care about now

[wind flicker]

I mean i started 4 weeks ago with the patch xd

[wide pebble]

Was wondering where you’ve been.

You missed another season with fury as the meta in m+

[near radish]

you ever bother binding rend in M+ or just press clap?

[sour forge]

Clap

[lethal acorn]

[spiral coral]

I like buttons so rend for st, tclap for aoe but most just use tclap or macro them together

[wind flicker]

😂

Tbh i started working full time, didnt know if i was gonna be able to play much

But got convinced to try it anyways

Been decently fun as arms, just a bit meh gear

[magic canopy]

@tacit crystal

no longer looking for 19 floodgate

[tacit crystal]

HELP ME

FREE ME FROM HELL

[sage badge]

[near radish]

Anyone people recommend for an arms guide? I know critcake has vods but couldn’t find an actual guide. I know there are written guides as well, looking for video.

[grave mulch]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/overview-pve-dps

[near radish]

Sorry looking for video guides

[slow saddle]

Guide for basic prio video is kindda nonsensical

[near radish]

Generally videos cover more than that not limited to it. A little narrow-minded to think everyone learns things the same way.

[sweet lark]

gokke, do i really bind rend ?

[lethal acorn]

Try shirlythebandit on youtube

[near radish]

Thank you I’ll have a look

[spiral coral]

Imo yes. Rend does more in st. You can just use tclap or macro the two together though.

[sweet lark]

So it is not a slam/ww on fury situation where you gain 2k dps but an extra bind

I just got it, lvl 35 or so, kinda hard to value when I see hundreds as numbers

[rare kite]

it's such an astronomically small gain

to rend over tc

[latent moss]

idk i have it bound cause that was the only way to apply it in sl

[hollow plover]

hello @tacit crystal five seven

[austere hamlet]

It’s also good to get an extra collat stack with sweep on 2 targets

[rare kite]

now that is a very far reach. i'd rather just tc before pressing SS

[dim basalt]

^

Collat stacks are additive, not multiplicative so the result doesnt change too much with an additional stack

You could argue that it makes a difference if you have all cds up but thats still not gonna be a depletion reason

[mortal crag]

i dont understand how people finish big pulls on 20m

like on floodgate, cbm etc

workshop 1st pull

im trying to do farover's opener etc, my damage "feels" fine, my rotation "feels fine", i look at the dam and im like maybe 13-14m at the end of the pull

i dont pre-stack collateral but SURELY that cant be the difference between 13 and 20mil? ONE cleave?

[dim basalt]

Not copying someone else 1:1 would be a great start ig

[mortal crag]

obviously, but his opener isnt inherently wrong lmao

[dim basalt]

Not because of that

[mortal crag]

my brew does a similar pull to their tank

i trust that my tank doesnt do bad pulls

we dont have a shaman, but 4% more dam doesnt translate to 13m vs 20m

[dim basalt]

But does your brew group them as quickly though?

The longer he takes the less dps details will show

Every second makes a big difference

[latent moss]

[mortal crag]

pretty sure he grabs them fast?

[mortal crag]

come on man

[dim basalt]

Oh I mistook collat for demo also lol

One big collat does 100M+

[mortal crag]

youre telling me ONE cleave would bump me to 20m on those pulls?

[dim basalt]

With just one gcd

But 20M bangers are also possible without pre-stacked collat, at least on cinderbrew

[mortal crag]

whats the best way to prestack collat?

grab two dummies > warbreaker > sweep > spam mortal strike/slam?

[dim basalt]

What do you need warbreaker for

[mortal crag]

idk i assume it helps me get rage

im new to arms

:3

i would use ava if it it reset cuz it extends SS

but it wont reset on key

cuz its a 1:30

@latent moss

help

[latent moss]

idk i never prestacked

cba

[dim basalt]

Arent they removing pre-stacking anyway with next patch

Or did they only do it for sham

[latent moss]

no clue

[austere hamlet]

Idk it’s just another small argument for binding rend. Sometimes you don’t tc before sweep

[austere hamlet]

Yeah it’s very minor ofc but it’s something. On 2t fights I usually hold my collat cleave for warbreaker or warbreaker+ravager (idk how optimal that is). Those collats do hit pretty hard

[last saddle]

I clicka da buttons

[spiral coral]

Hot take: not binding rend is lazy

[swift crown]

hot take indeed

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-back-what-it-do-skip-bayless-what-it-do-baby-clippers-gif-15997131

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/skip-bayless-shannon-sharp-no-thanks-gif-10096387

[fickle kiln]

not binding rend means you lose 1 SS stack, very big no no

[swift crown]

you gain more DPS from fixing a singular mistake in a 5 minute encounter than you gain from using Rend over Clap

[rare kite]

When do you not tc before SS?? I tc everytime before

[slate dagger]

Is there a post explaining the advantages and disadvantages of switching up the opener order based on the situation? It seems like the AOE opener comes in a few shapes and sizes.

[austere hamlet]

If there’s more than 8 seconds remaining on rend

[spiral coral]

No, but someone here could if you gave the scenario

[slow saddle]

Prestackin should be deleted asap

For all classes all cds

[slate dagger]

What are the differences between large aoe small aoe and st. Those seem like the largest bucket situations where things seem to change.

[astral yarrow]

Arms is basically only different in ST and 3+ target. 2 target you just sweep ST rotation and 3 targets you cleave as much as possible if talented and if not, you act like it’s 2 targets lol

[mortal crag]

doing 5target dummy pre-stack tests

from 7.5 to 8.7-8.8

[mortal crag]

i just do what farover does surely ill do the same damage

[void bay]

What is pre stacking?

[minor gust]

Say it louder so the Blizz devs can fucking hear

[slow saddle]

I cant understand how its hard to remove.

Any non buff, just should.be removed on start of key

Heck id rather, u would have to rebuff when key starts

[minor gust]

it wouldnt be hard they just dont care enough to remove

[short spear]

man i came back in prep for season 3 and fuck. why do they make things difficult for no reason lol. the catchup mechanic for puzzling chips is one chip at a time for no reason

[nova marsh]

Just let us keep consumes

[slow saddle]

Yea

[void bay]

to make you waste time ofc, same as this mount shit

[wind flicker]

Its not that hard if the group is good

[mortal crag]

well damn

[dim basalt]

My 660 WW bursts for up to 15M

[quaint otter]

yeah... bursts...

after that u just pray to chi tzu procs to be somewhat playable in aoe

[dim basalt]

Its not that bad

[tacit crystal]

bobzilla on my ww i only know how to do the opener

then i just press random shit

i only bok after rsk

and treat chi ji like sd

[quaint otter]

yes.

[tacit crystal]

is that good

[quaint otter]

that looks like bad chi/energy balance tbh

therefore skill issue

[tacit crystal]

might also be me not being 80

and randomly hitting the dummy

[quaint otter]

[dim basalt]

I can finish dungeons with like 3.5M to 4M dps which is kinda nice

Pretty sure I start falling off from now tho

[latent moss]

@tacit crystal gio57

[quaint otter]

but can u beat ret?

[dim basalt]

I havent met one in pugs yet

But if they can find their 2 buttons, probably not

[short spear]

you just send ravager at the start of a pull as arms right?

in aoe

[thick kelp]

no

[short spear]

after demolish?

[thick kelp]

no

Only if we had a guide for this

[swift crown]

Warrior design is my bad sorry

[thick kelp]

whaat we have a guide for thiis

[tacit crystal]

cant read try again

[thick kelp]

https://warbreaker.gg/guides/arms/colossus#colossus-opener

[tacit crystal]

pictures too hard try again

[slow saddle]

Why wb b4 rav makes no sense

[thick kelp]

More valuable to not lose a global of mbg

mgb>cs

[latent moss]

mbg fucks

well cleave fucks

but mbg helps

basically first global is always cleave

50% on cleave or 30% on cleave

[dim basalt]

Id love to see MBG work with SS tbh

But only if no collat, obviously

[shadow ibex]

I just want new tier

20% crit debuff

[dim basalt]

yay crit damage modifiers 👍

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-mind-stone-last-stone-infinity-gauntlet-gif-15735729

Colossus MS has to have almost 100% bonus crit dam atp

Idk all sources but colo will be 30% alone

[dim basalt]

Cruel Strikes has 10% on execute, SoS is 10% on OP, Sharpened Blades is 10% on MS Cleave and Exe

Think thats all

Impale another 10% on everything

So col will have a 50% crit mod on MS lmao

[shadow ibex]

Is there none in class tree

Not home can't check

Or just base dmg innit

[dim basalt]

Can only think of Cruel Strikes

Which is Exe only

[shadow ibex]

CF is just dam then yea

[latent moss]

same

peak tierset

just hope we get tuned well

[latent moss]

i fw colo cause of them ngl

sure crit dmg modifiers swing ur dmg a lot

crit rng ye but

crits are so satisfying

[bronze tiger]

Warrior discord is the only one that’s still ranbow lol

[shadow ibex]

last expac we ended with 50-60% crit chance on MS cuz of tier and big crit flask

and hidden crit chance in like sharpened blades

[latent moss]

colo critmaxxing

[shadow ibex]

gonna be same thing in next tier gear

[halcyon valve]

Arms critchad numbermaxxing

[latent moss]

slayer is numbermaxxing too cause crit chance and damage on exe

and ms turbofucks with ep

[halcyon valve]

Mortal strike still has the higher damage ceiling than execute iirc

[latent moss]

as slayer they are roughly the same iirc

[shadow ibex]

yea slayer tier for 30% exe is p huge

[latent moss]

i think maxxed sd with jugg

is more tho

as slayer

but i dont think u will ever get that

[shadow ibex]

i just wanna play colo in raid more than 1 fight

[halcyon valve]

Would be nice

[latent moss]

idk colo in raid isnt that fun for me

st colo with ep just idk

exe eats ur rage bar

[shadow ibex]

if it had some minor adjustment i think it would be a lot of fun

if battlelord always triggered in CS or smth

really just battlelord buff plz

i think thats all colo would really need in raid

or EB double chance inside CS

[latent moss]

imagine that on 2t

hooly

2824 ms in a row

[slow saddle]

Ngl playing current col in raid

[shadow ibex]

always double dips from sweeping anyway

[slow saddle]

Without battlelord

U slam a lot

[shadow ibex]

but yea would just be a guarentee instead of low unluck

[latent moss]

colo always plays blord

u dont play jugg

[halcyon valve]

You could play jugg in nerubar palace

Not sure how it is these days

[latent moss]

worse than blord

deft + blord with high base ms damage

[shadow ibex]

just make BLord always proc in CS

or increase chance by 100% idc i just wanna press MS as colossus

[dim basalt]

[hexed saddle]

the person with the icons is on vacation + its not a big deal

[eager sigil]

wrong

[slow saddle]

I mean life cant be all unicorns and rainbows

[void bay]

why not

[untold trench]

As a colourblind person, I cant say I see much of a difference

[void bay]

lol

[slow saddle]

Because we are not all born into riches🥲

[unkempt wren]

But unicorn horns are a shape, not a color

[untold trench]

[quasi torrent]

globo homo took over!!!!

[coral crescent]

we could only be so lucky

[fresh spire]

we're just really pride full

its pride month every month

[gaunt owl]

it should stay rainbow

just to piss off people that are madging