whether its aoe caps or prot and magic dmg shits all been solved elsewhere
#arms
shadow ibex
slow saddle
Fdk
dim basalt
Fuck this game
slow saddle
Seems like new arms warrior
tacit crystal
Dropped 15 jugg stacks on Mug at 35.5%
i did the same on sprocket
dim basalt
The WW reroll will feel so good
analog smelt
how come sometimes im able to use skill really fast, but sometimes really slow? whats the trigger for that
dim basalt
how come sometimes im able to use skill really fast, but sometimes really slow? ...
You mean sudden increase of Haste? Thats our set
Up to 20%
analog smelt
ah okay
arctic iris
Could also be lust, a trinket proc, or power infusion
weak wave
Or Warbreaker below 35% HP
minor mica
guys i just got B.I.S was wondering how to use it optimaly since you cannot trinket and B.I.S same time ? do you always trinket with avatar to keep them aligned ? and use B.I.S on it's own on the second warbreaker-demolish ?
dim basalt
guys i just got B.I.S was wondering how to use it optimaly since you cannot trin...
Correct
boreal hawk
now we need demolish while movement and gg ez
smoky kayak
you have movement, leap, charge, intervene!
the real useful part isn't getting the damage on that target though, it's still getting the AoE damage out despite a single target being pulled away
tender pecan
The WW reroll will feel so good
it doesnt has more bugs than my garden
boreal hawk
you have movement, leap, charge, intervene!
no i mean the channel of demo while moving xD
dim basalt
it doesnt has more bugs than my garden
Surely cant be worse that mug randomly eating SDs
shadow ibex
smoky kayak
no i mean the channel of demo while moving xD
Yeah, you can leap, charge, and intervene!
boreal hawk
ah during that? wooooooow
untold pewter
Demolish still gets canceled if the target dies mid cast right?
Or does it just swing the last hit anyway without a target?
minor gust
Would assume it still cancels
sharp wyvern
technically the target wont move if its dead 
minor gust
I can test it later
silent sun
we gonna blast next season?
vale ermine
hey guys, i didnt played this season, coming back this week, any particular reason why arms its better than fury on current season?
heady shale
UDK still capped at 8, not 5 
steep osprey
Yo Archi is it time to lose it yet
sour forge
Hey gang, does rend application from TC prioritize unaffected targets
sour forge
hey guys, i didnt played this season, coming back this week, any particular reas...
Arms has better uncapped aoe(keys)
latent moss
Demolish still gets canceled if the target dies mid cast right?
they changed it no
i dont think it cancels on live
untold pewter
Hey gang, does rend application from TC prioritize unaffected targets
No it's not smart at all
sour forge
@steep osprey ^
gusty nymph
Still no utility and medium dps…. « Things are looking good for warriors » 🤣
sour forge
Still got one of the best aoe stops
tribal kindle
why no warrior news? 😞
minor gust
warrior whats dat
tribal kindle
the other W class
finite grotto
Think I’m gonna come back to warrior main… played hunt in S2
Want me warrior back… probably bad choice huh? lol
minor gust
If its fun to you thats all that matters
tuning is a lottery so best not to think about it
spiral coral
If its fun to you thats all that matters
ding ding ding
rotund lake
I mean its all that matters if getting a spot in high keys doesn't matter to you
if you want to do high M+ it absolutely matters
gleaming cosmos
Did they just fix my last real issue with demolish
Demolish should have Fyralath leap.
shadow ibex
frost dk season for sure
minor gust
if you want to do high M+ it absolutely matters
if you pug high M+ it matters. If your lucky and got a group it doesnt
rotund lake
I mean yeah if you're lucky sure
but a serious M+ group willing to take a fury warrior to anything above a 16 is pretty rare
minor gust
sounds like a really bad serious M+ grp if they think 16 is the cut off
rotund lake
no im saying 16 is the cutoff for warriors lmao
minor gust
yeah ik
sour forge
Auridan probably means pugs
nova marsh
Demolish should have Fyralath leap.
I dont think that helps it unless you constantly leap
gleaming cosmos
I dont think that helps it unless you constantly leap
It's not really about helping it or anything.
Just the leap component of fyralath felt really good.
Gapclose whatever you want to call it.
gleaming cosmos
It basically already is really.
latent moss
just go arms in m+ innit
rotund lake
gross
analog smelt
do warriors always get decline in m+? but im always like top dmg when im in one 😫
latent moss
yes
proper atlas
ok rq arms mythic oab tips and whats best opener with those 2 adds
charge tc roar cs in storm ?
minor gust
Your normal st opener yeah
reef glade
latent moss
proper atlas
rare kite
pre ss 
spiral coral
<:Armsowns:857748787710787605>
lean geode
Need to get critcake's take on this one
stable fiber
i wonder if colossus is better on mythic gally
maybe if you consistently got to the p3 intermission and could pad off those then kill the boss
its already pretty close on heroic gally and you cant even line them up very well
damn how the fuck did that guy do 4.4 million on heroic gally as slayer
oh his mortal strike has 50% crit chance
and they have 17 people doing 0 damage i suppose
tacit crystal
i swear no point when you lose more boss damage by going jt and evoker just oneshots it anyways
stable fiber
this probably helps too
stable fiber
i swear no point when you lose more boss damage by going jt and evoker just ones...
you can do a shit load to the adds
a lot more than you would think
ill try it this monday
stable fiber
he also is in a 30 man raid
tacit crystal
its actually so sad
stable fiber
with ~20 people being boosted
tacit crystal
oh
stable fiber
so the adds have health and live
tacit crystal
i thought we were talking about mythic
stable fiber
mythic yeah maybe evokers just blow them up
are they really holding their second dragonrage?
tacit crystal
mhm
maybe +-1-5s of rotational stuff
but yeah
they just evaporate
Like I think it might be worth (for kill purposes) to just send shit on cd
stable fiber
let me check i might only have 1 evoker
stable fiber
1 evoker yeah
stable fiber
yeah
i mean they have a insane spec on bandit too
both hero talents are like # 1 and 2
tacit crystal
I think atp you play fs everywhere
but yeah
I think me playing unholy in keys made me worse in raid
quaint otter
slow saddle
I think me playing unholy in keys made me worse in raid
Ofc😅
proper iron
what are the 2 best trinkets outside of raiding?
thick kelp
pacemaker + funhouse lens
proper iron
ty lets google
thick kelp
Floodgate + delve random drop
atomic mountain
pacemaker + funhouse lens
not energy drink?
quaint otter
wooden lava
balmy kindle
not energy drink?
Myth level pacemaker > drink
fresh spire
atomic mountain
Myth level pacemaker > drink
Instead of lens. My energy Sims higher
dim basalt
Instead of lens. My energy Sims higher
Doesnt mean it sims higher for everyone else
thick kelp
Does it sim higher in a 40s 8T fight too 
candid pecan
quaint otter
Instead of lens. My energy Sims higher
Lens better for burst cuz its guaranteed
fresh spire
quaint otter
steep osprey
Both BS and Ravager should get buffed
dim basalt
fuck bladestorm
lethal acorn
oak quartz
plucky mortar
Not using bladestorm feels illegal
lethal acorn
I only like bladestorm in pvp, besides, ravager lets you feel like you're denathrius and you have a remornia with ya
dim basalt
Execute is also a lot more fun with rav
Throw it down and spam the fuck out of the button
plucky mortar
Its not about the damage its about the soul of the warrior spirit maaaan
lethal acorn
I also like pressing buttons and not spinning all day, even in mop classic I took roar over bs
dim basalt
So by that logic you must also dislike cleave?
plucky mortar
Cleave is great
dim basalt
If Arms bs was as short as Furys Id be fine with it
They could also remove Unhinged so we dont play BS at all
wanton sierra
ravager should have 2 charges ^^
grave mulch
thats just to OP and calling for a nerf
but we better see some tuning tho. all S2 Unholy and Demo lock got constant buffs to stuff and they didnt need that many. DK discord cried about slappy hands they got more ST buffs
shadow ibex
Char select frost dk
bring this back
latent moss
thick kelp
dim basalt
fresh spire
wanton sierra
dead are my enemies!! we die by the sword!!
severe haven
daring heron
8 second parry is kinda crazy ngl
Change it to a proper perfect parry kinda thing
Keep the 1.5min cd but parry only lasts 0.2 seconds
latent moss
Keep the 1.5min cd but parry only lasts 0.2 seconds
but if u parry u can counter attack
daring heron
sounds good
latent moss
whenever u parry ur next slam does 500% increased damage
shadow ibex
Change it to a proper perfect parry kinda thing
you have to time it like real parry ofc
daring heron
ye exactly
latent moss
ye dbts is 0.2s
shadow ibex
no CD .1 duration
latent moss
duration
tired sinew
Char select frost dk
this is actually me if nothing changes hahaha...
last saddle
im prob swapping too, it looks realy fun with the new changes
tacit crystal
ye exactly
w unholy nerfs
sharp wyvern
get target capped lmao
slow saddle
Unholys nerf make em do less vs 20 mobs
But way more at sub 8
Alsp descrate app fucks all
tacit crystal
2985.44% > 2413.79% and dks will still complain
shadow ibex
probably buff for average play
shadow ibex
they will make drastic change like cap an uncapped spec for like 8 years? since bfa when i started at least
jugg still 15 stacks tho
quaint karma
hows the ptr lookin bois
sharp wyvern
you know its gonna have people complain about target caps even more now
until every spec is capped at 8
charred brook
if u could all kindly reroll so i coulda insta 100 parse every boss that would be delightful
ty
strange perch
@tacit crystal fuck you
charred brook
gm pauck
charred brook
the one and only
strange perch
Winner winner chicken dinner
charred brook
i should really take that off now
strange perch
:D
strange perch
i put it on as satire like 2 years ago
I just bought a kebab
charred brook
im making pulled pork
strange perch
Will you put it on a burger
charred brook
if you can ever find a carolina style barbecue place if u travel
give it a try
very good
strange perch
Why carolina specifically
charred brook
different states have different styles of barbecue
strange perch
Do you know the carolina reaper
charred brook
yes
strange perch
Scary stuff
void bay
different states have different styles of barbecue
my favourite is Idaho pulled potato
charred brook
never heard of it, what do they do?
void bay
never heard of it, what do they do?
throw potatoes at you
strange perch
he lives an hour from me
Sorry got muted forgoz i was on skyhold maybe you should visit im i wanted to say
charred brook
yeah im gonna go collect a beast burger
strange perch
Beastburger lunchly prime and a feastables bar #dinnerisserved
mortal crag
if my tank plays kezan, should i replace my HOC or my pacemaker with it?
charred brook
pace
shadow ibex
at least before patch is out
hollow depot
hey, as a new warrrior player, would it cost too much to know to play it?
minor gust
only the soul of your first born son
hollow depot
i accept it
hexed snow
hey, as a new warrrior player, would it cost too much to know to play it?
4000 usd
sour forge
hey, as a new warrrior player, would it cost too much to know to play it?
War is relatively easy
bright ginkgo
I would say warrior is among the harder specs
sage bison
sour forge
Damn that’s a take
bright ginkgo
It took me a while to optimize my dps in m+, usually it goes pretty quick but with warrior i struggled a bit.
Most other specs are CD + Trinket press 1-2 spells
Boom clap ez
sour forge
You realize warriors have less rotational buttons than most classes
dim basalt
You realize warriors have less rotational buttons than most classes
Not really
But also not more
bright ginkgo
Sure, maybe harder is a stretch. I just struggled getting the flow of the spec.
sour forge
Arms presses like 5 buttons
dim basalt
Like most other classes yeah?
sage bison
^
dim basalt
Enh is probably the only exception
sour forge
Afaik rogues, mages, feral, enh have a few more rotational buttons
Plus a lot more conditionals to keep track of
For arms you could basically get away with pressing ms on cooldown
dim basalt
Nah they all have the same amount of rotational buttons
sour forge
Regardless. In comparison to most classes, warrior is def on the easy side of the spectrum
dim basalt
So does monk
all hunter specs
And if it wasnt for the SD weakaura we would have a stupid amount of conditionals
To which only arcane comes close ig
Anyway, every spec is fairly trivial to play
sour forge
Idk man, war is simple
sour forge
Most classes do tbf
bright ginkgo
I came clean into warrior this set, and i can easily say its not trivial to get into
sour forge
Otherwise parsing is pointless
slow saddle
In raid y
dim basalt
No jugg stacks into exe? gg
slow saddle
Fuck juggernaut
short spear
is jaster diamond also the best ring for arms
spiral coral
Is the best ring for everyone
mortal crag
any1 got any clue
how am i supposed to prestack collateral damage
if i have a feral
that BITCHES the second we're in combat with a mob/dummy cuz his adaptive swarm prestack jumps to it?
magic canopy
tell him to eat shit
dont actually but prestack colateral falls off 90% of the time
just stack colossal might instead on a single mob and go with that
hexed snow
tell him to eat shit
Oh bwomsamdi.... they are telling me to eat da shit
magic canopy
de other side is my favorite
hexed snow
de other side is my favorite
bwomsamdi x horrific visions 😍
magic canopy
ohno
magic canopy
with the ptr back up i have some ill do about trinkets/tier set and some other stuff
been mia on the tube for a bit since ive just been face first in keys almost resil 19
magic canopy
i have one im about to throw up about the one button rotation, but basically TLDR its fine idk why its so contentious
only spec its good for is boomkin becuase that class is already 15 iq behind every other spec in the game
hexed snow
only spec its good for is boomkin becuase that class is already 15 iq behind eve...
BM?
magic canopy
yeah bm as well i did mention it
magic canopy
i do think the best thing about it tho is it will allow physically impared people a chance to play something other then those 2 specs
if they wanted to
ancient scroll
that BITCHES the second we're in combat with a mob/dummy cuz his adaptive swarm ...
most of the ferals I play with say it's fine as long as its 2 dummies
but if not you can place the dummies far away from them
magic canopy
LoS dummies
grave mulch
candid kindle
for the gamers out there, isn there any improvement in gameplay for khaving an he vs a mechanical keyboard? like ik for shooters it does, but wwas wondering, does it apply also for games like wow?
tacit crystal
And if it wasnt for the SD weakaura we would have a stupid amount of conditional...
its only 4 conditions how is that a lot
rare kite
its only 4 conditions how is that a lot
how isn't that alot? what other spec has conditions like that
void bay
for the gamers out there, isn there any improvement in gameplay for khaving an h...
It's all a gimmick for 99% of players
rare kite
lmao
warm fog
yeah bm as well i did mention it
I thought BM kind of sucked because it’s basically a melee at range and all the melee specs suffer the most from the gcd
magic canopy
in terms of simplicity i mention bm and boomkin as specs that those who are physically impaired can play them somewhat efficiently
warm fog
Oh I got you
magic canopy
any instant cast specs are at a guarenteed -25% damage loss where casters get to sidestep it slightly
void bay
I like bm because my pet, Dr Kisses, and I, can go on adventures together
jade cargo
@magic canopyhello manki
magic canopy
hellu todu
small juniper
I started to play arms, and I see that sometimes it has four 45-sec cooldown buttons - Colossus, Ravager, Shout and Demolish. Is there a way to macro them with each other that does make sense?
boreal hawk
is jaster diamond also the best ring for arms
if its mythic yes, but for me recently on my arms the crafted ring simmed higher instead of the hc jastor. so best bet is to sim it
small juniper
I started to play arms, and I see that sometimes it has four 45-sec cooldown but...
I'm quickly becoming overwhelmed by the amount of buttons that need to be used infrequently (45+ seconds baseline), so I'm looking for a way to ease the cognitive load
magic canopy
I started to play arms, and I see that sometimes it has four 45-sec cooldown but...
ravager/roar/and demolish cannot be macroed together. they are all on the global cooldown so any attempt will not work
stable fiber
i think a way to reduce cognitive load is to change your thinking when it comes to your cooldowns
small juniper
ravager/roar/and demolish cannot be macroed together. they are all on the global...
Castsequence?
stable fiber
for example i like to think demolish should ALWAYS be used with warbreaker/colossus smash
stable fiber
Castsequence?
wouldnt do this either
small juniper
wouldnt do this either
Why? If you Say that Demolish should always go after Colossus
magic canopy
Castsequence?
issue with cast sequence is based on your combat Warbreaker/Demolish/Ravager will have dynamic ever changing CDs roar will remain static as well so if you cast sequence them the likelyhood of wasted casts will be guarenteed
stable fiber
^
small juniper
Got it. It's just sad because I frequently forget to use one of the four 45-sec buttons
stable fiber
i also think cast sequence macros are just bad in general
knee caps your learning of the spec
magic canopy
colossus arms has a TON of spinning plates. On top of dynamic CD management you also have things like Collateral damage to decide how to use and sweeping strikes on top of all of it
its overwhelming to play until you just spend a lot of time and get used to it
stable fiber
id say colossus arms is one of the hardest specs to properly play in m+ currently
like you have shit like boomkin, unholy and arcane as meta
small juniper
i also think cast sequence macros are just bad in general
I literally don't have enough buttons for the rotation. I use 1-5, shift-1, shift-2, q, shift-q, e, shift-e, ctrl-e and f :-)
small juniper
id say colossus arms is one of the hardest specs to properly play in m+ currentl...
Got it. Is Fury easier?
Maybe I should switch for now
magic canopy
fury is by far easier
halcyon magnet
if you're not playing pinnacle content play what you enjoy
stable fiber
^
halcyon magnet
try arms and fury and learn both
small juniper
fury is by far easier
Could you tell me why? From my overview, it has the same amount of buttons and infrequent cds
halcyon magnet
fury is basically just clicking filler to rampage
copper stump
I literally don't have enough buttons for the rotation. I use 1-5, shift-1, shif...
Then the Solution would be to use more keybinding. Mouse Button 3,4,5 combined with Shift or alt gives you 6 more easy combinations
halcyon magnet
and upkeeping ww stacks in aoe
stable fiber
Could you tell me why? From my overview, it has the same amount of buttons and i...
you track almost noting as fury, the cds also line up way easier
small juniper
Then the Solution would be to use more keybinding. Mouse Button 3,4,5 combined w...
Mouse is taken by kicks, weapon throws and frequent defences like spell reflect and victory rush
magic canopy
Could you tell me why? From my overview, it has the same amount of buttons and i...
Fury for CDs has Ravager/Bladestorm/Avatar/Recklessness. Reck and Bladestorm/Ravager can be keybound together then all you have is avatar which you can macro your trinkets in with.
stable fiber
like recklessness and ravager always line up, the thing with arms is you have 3 different cooldowns with cdr and they arent guranteed to line up
magic canopy
Fury is also 4 buttons max outside of CDs with its current playstyle in and out of raid
small juniper
Fury for CDs has Ravager/Bladestorm/Avatar/Recklessness. Reck and Bladestorm/Rav...
Ah, got it, so it is macroable. Thanks!
copper stump
Mouse is taken by kicks, weapon throws and frequent defences like spell reflect ...
How come you dont have enough Buttons then ?
stable fiber
weapon throws?
like heroic throw?
surely you can find a better mouse bind than heroic throw
i know it might seem cooked but z is my demolish bind
magic canopy
even without the buttons Fury barely has CD management when your CD usage as arms has a massive impact
esp in keys
small juniper
I mean, it is nessedary to tag mobs and pop some 1-hit ones
halcyon magnet
ctrl-t is my heroic throw
since i only use it when running old content to oneshot stuff
small juniper
even without the buttons Fury barely has CD management when your CD usage as arm...
Yep, so Fury has the thing I was thinking about for arms. I remember in the past the fury was "faster", but now it seems Arms is as involved as Fury
stable fiber
id say fury is still faster
small juniper
I mean faster on cognition, not on fingers
stable fiber
i dont know if fury ever needed more brain power than arms
arms is like 3 times more involved in m+ than fury
halcyon magnet
fury has very few conditionals to worry about compared to arms
stable fiber
your whole overall in a dungeon as arms is based purely on how you use offensive cds
and other things like collateral damage
halcyon magnet
since sweeping strikes doesnt exist, ms/cleave vs just click ww then do st rotation
copper stump
your whole overall in a dungeon as arms is based purely on how you use offensive...
And on the tanks decisions to pull the mobs or not 😂
small juniper
Got it, thanks!
stable fiber
yeah that too
copper stump
Got it, thanks!
For me it Sounds like you should Go for ret pala tbh
That might fight well
stable fiber
idk why you would tell him that
but it is the warrior discord
so it makes sense
class is forgotten
copper stump
Because he wants something „less cognitive demanding“
stable fiber
ah yeah
copper stump
I need to go now, thank you all for so much info)
Cheers
stable fiber
fury is consistently a mid spec, ret is either F tier or A-S tier
you know the pattern i see
is that ret starts a patch REALLY dogshit
then .5 patch comes around
and it gets buffed to S tier
happened in dragonflight (twice i think?)
happened in tww
halcyon magnet
ret scales with systems xd
magic canopy
this was supposed to be an arms tier until execute got shot 
copper stump
fury is consistently a mid spec, ret is either F tier or A-S tier
A good ret is insane imo, they have consistent high dmg and massive util…Problem is: its considered a „beginner friendly class“ and thats when you feel the Lack of kicks, hoj, bubbles in Dungeons…basically makes the whole Point of ret useless then even if he Stands there with 6mil overall…at least thats my opinion. I dont Play with Rets anymore for that exact reason
But enough off topic for now 🫡
stable fiber
though you would see both specs anyways since fury has like 3000 otp's
slow saddle
A good ret have been insane since first rework in df in m+ content
dim basalt
its only 4 conditions how is that a lot
3 for execute and then all the conditions for our rota, that's a bit more than 4
If you take it precisely
candid pecan
Colossus Arms owns 
+14 Ara-Kara (a lot better boss dmg compared to Season 2)
rare kite
Colossus Arms owns <:wicked:937093876857045012> +14 Ara-Kara (a lot better boss ...
what trinket is ethereal reaping from? or is it from reshi
candid pecan
its the cloak, and I'm using the boots to buff the cloak
rare kite
1.6% overall from cloak is pretty decent
snow forum
uhdk
steep osprey
Colossus Arms owns <:wicked:937093876857045012> +14 Ara-Kara (a lot better boss ...
Can I see the build
candid pecan
nothing fancy
rare kite
sks big st with new tier
steep osprey
True
candid pecan
yes, when you have ROAR/CS/Demolish debuff/tier set 100% bleed amp rolling
SKS is great
rare kite
big 2 target as well ofc
steep osprey
Arterial or OAM
candid pecan
Arterial
candid pecan
Pretty sure its still OAM in M+ tbh
I'm not sure, Arterial vs OAB in ST (5 min patchwerk sim)
also, after you demolish, you get back to 10 stacks in 5 seconds
and bleeds do not deal reduced dmg beyond 5 targets, but cleave does.
I might be wrong, but we'll see
Arterial bleed stonks for m+ have risen
rare kite
might be a dungeon by dungeon thing
steep osprey
might be a dungeon by dungeon thing
Arterial for dungeons like Brewery
quaint otter
The thing is
latent moss
and mass aoe is king
shadow ibex
Have fun applying bleeds past 5
quaint otter
Arms looked giga big s2 ptr
shadow ibex
quaint otter
shadow ibex
Mass aoe in theory but can only apply to 5
latent moss
Have fun applying bleeds past 5
wb and cleave apply dw
tc>op until u have rend on all
is my guess
havent simmed it still
shadow ibex
Esp if we ever end up with gameplay that sees you trying to move around to get more applications
Yes right now
Yesterday really
latent moss
shouldn't take more than 5 minutes
shadow ibex
But these are subtle things you only pick up on if you play warrior
Like warbringer and warbreaker being different 
steep osprey
Like warbringer and warbreaker being different <:FingerGuns:1194196678316675153>
You're still on this lmao
Devs know the difference, CMs write posts
steep osprey
The names are similar which means it's 100% a mistake
plucky flicker
Is there anyone else who misses DF Sks ?
steep osprey
It's not like someone wrote Rampage instead of Warbreaker
plucky flicker
The instant bursty one?
latent moss
Is there anyone else who misses DF Sks ?
i do and i dont
cause u have to set it up
press it asap
plucky flicker
This new one is just too passive and boring as a button
plucky flicker
Yes but it was somewhat interesting
And it matched with Arms' identity with bursty big numbers
latent moss
what they shouldve done is kept the instant one but made it reapply upon finishing or just made it deal damage as if 20s of dots passed
plucky flicker
Yeah the annoying part was easily fixable
dreamy sandal
Bois, do you think this trinket will be good for us?
candid pecan
Bois, do you think this trinket will be good for us?
yes
dreamy sandal
Its like the only 1.5 min CD trinket that exists next patch
candid pecan
not sure if we'll have access to funhouse lens at 710 ilvl 6/6hc
so that trinket from Halls will be nice
latent moss
ye
everything now revolves around crit its crazy
mastery too
tbf colo always has revolved around critting
latent moss
ye
steep osprey
it does hit 2 50% of the time
latent moss
ms is crazy
colo just needs the tc thing to uncap blood and thunder
45s roar with twords goes hard as well
and hopefully some qol for sks
shadow ibex
You're still on this lmao
They got it wrong for like 1.5 expacs
I'll never get tired of bringing it up
steep osprey
when did they fix the SS taking 2 stacks of the tier set crit thing
candid pecan
okay let me do the good ol duplicate change trigger spell ID 
latent moss
I press ms with SS Up and it goes from 2 stacks to 1
so we have
2 guaranteed ms criit casts
even when sweeped
steep osprey
I'm not in the habit of lying lol
latent moss
ok thats huge
steep osprey
How did no one notice this before me lol
That's like 4 CM stacks per MS right
with SS up
candid pecan
yes
candid pecan
How did no one notice this before me lol
I just did not track it
shadow ibex
Just don't let your ravager eat it
shadow ibex
No says the warbringer dev, it belongs to me
worldly geyser
Hey, i'm not able to find it in weakaura, some of you get something to track the 10 sc of warbreaker ?
naive sage
Hey, i'm not able to find it in weakaura, some of you get something to track the...
You could track In for the Kill I think
worldly geyser
You could track In for the Kill I think
Okay thanks
latent moss
Hey, i'm not able to find it in weakaura, some of you get something to track the...
its a debuff
you could code it manually
minor gust
I press ms with SS Up and it goes from 2 stacks to 1
Oh good they fixed that haven't been on ptr in a bit
mortal crag
most of the ferals I play with say it's fine as long as its 2 dummies
Wym?
Like my feral friend legit moans the second a dummy is out
I just figured it's a big dps boost to enter first pull with like 10+ collateral stacks
U pop 2 dummies, ask for bl and go to town no?
Just without using any big cds cuz they don't come back
ancient scroll
Yea pre stacking collat is huge
Apparently it can mess up feral’s swarms tho
If it does you just drop the dummies far away from them
mortal crag
Yeah that's what he says
I don't get it he always takes 2 fucking mins to prestack it
And chatgpt says swarm takes like 5 s
👁️👄👁️
naive sage
fuck raidbots we chatgpt gang
wind flicker
I don't get it he always takes 2 fucking mins to prestack it
Honestly remove prestacking
I hate it so much
Begging for turnips every run
Explaining u need 15 sec and bl
to stack
Its so dumb
minor gust
Honestly remove prestacking
everyone approves of this
disgusting its still even a thing
for this long
mortal crag
Honestly remove prestacking
For everyone
Remove the concept of it
I agree
I played shaman and it's miserable
wind flicker
Ngl im even bothered myself by it
naive sage
I played shaman and it's miserable
real
minor gust
if I have to put down a dummy to do some bullshit before a dungeon starts to maximize my first pull im blow myself
wind flicker
And yeah shammy last season was even worse
mortal crag
fuck raidbots we chatgpt gang
Ion even know how to sim adaptive swarm prestacking , do u?
mortal crag
Yep
wind flicker
Its disgusting
naive sage
Ion even know how to sim adaptive swarm prestacking , do u?
nope it was just a joke
naive sage
The prestacking already started in dornogal
unironically
mortal crag
Y awakened
wind flicker
And then u went mayham on turnips
mortal crag
U do 30 and 3 yeh
wind flicker
So u could go in for 3
wind flicker
Yeah it was horrible
wind flicker
This alone
mortal crag
To get 10 maelstrom usage
wind flicker
Made me hate the spec
mortal crag
kekw
wind flicker
- tanks fucking ur stacks
mortal crag
"yes here's a 5 step plan"
mortal crag
It's it's awful for priory
wind flicker
Fuck brewmasters with their rings of peace
Biggest int button created
With demolish
mortal crag
Yep
wind flicker
😂
minor gust
demolish wont cancel next patch but you will still prob miss the third hit thanks to ROP
mortal crag
demolish wont cancel next patch but you will still prob miss the third hit thank...
I scream at my tank
And he goes "u don't need to say every time u demo"
Yes king. I do.
Ur making me miss my 14mil crit on 12 mobs
minor gust
when like a third of your dmg is all in one dumb third hit of a shit abillity yes I need to tell you when im gonna demo so you dont move shit
mortal crag
Fr
"why aren't u doing as much damage as farover"
Jeez I wish I knew
group doesn't let me prestack or line demo
Nah I'm also ass on arms
I'm learning tho :>
Timed a couple 19s
No shaman buff though is LEGIT cancer
I legit have pulls where I'm out of rage for a solid 3s
minor gust
I hate going into footmen packs or the mechagon shield guy packs without demolish stacks cuz you know by the time you got your stacks and press demolish they gonna defend or throw a shield down
balmy kindle
No shaman buff though is LEGIT cancer
bloodsurge helps abit but yeah skyfury is godsend
shadow ibex
when like a third of your dmg is all in one dumb third hit of a shit abillity ye...
Just charge or leap or intervene during it
XD
minor gust
latent moss
I legit have pulls where I'm out of rage for a solid 3s
whats ur crit
gotta critmaxx
and bloodsurge
steep osprey
Am I the only one who thinks Demolish is a good spell? Not everything in the game has to have 0 risk or disadvantages to using it. I like Demolish because it feels great when I press it, like I'm standing down charging up a big attack, it would be different if it had no downsides IMO
latent moss
exhil*
latent moss
Am I the only one who thinks Demolish is a good spell? Not everything in the gam...
true
one thing tho
steep osprey
Not everything has to be safe
latent moss
i was it was a single hit
mortal crag
Not everything has to be safe
The issue is that it relies on mobs being in range
Having a spell ruined by external means isn't fun
Like having 70% of the damahe of the ability at the end. And having the ability rely on others not loving
Moving*
steep osprey
They did kind of help with that a bit but I understand
shadow ibex
Am I the only one who thinks Demolish is a good spell? Not everything in the gam...
Sure what's the advantage tho
latent moss
i love colossus in cds
shadow ibex
This isn't dark souls, other classes and buttons exist
coral crescent
my guild is progging mugz and i just was tired of juggernaut so I've been playing slayer with battlelord and fatality instead. fatality is w/e but man opportunist with battlelord makes for a lot of fun
shadow ibex
So describe the upside to the snare
steep osprey
Sure what's the advantage tho
That it does giga damage? buffs you for 10% damage and gives you some DR?
bro what are you talking about
latent moss
then just turbo fuck wth cleave
shadow ibex
That it does giga damage? buffs you for 10% damage and gives you some DR?
Other things do giga damn without a root
mortal crag
play bloodsurge
What do I swap for it
steep osprey
Ok you have an issue with it being a root
latent moss
What do I swap for it
idk what are u playing
minor gust
What do I swap for it
can drop 1 bb for it
steep osprey
It's an opinion
latent moss
swap 1 bb for bloodsurge
mortal crag
Kk
latent moss
u need to critmaxx more to drop bloodsurge
shadow ibex
It's an opinion
I was just asking what the advantage was since you said disadvantages were ok.
mortal crag
To crit haste from fury stats
minor gust
my colossus build has 40% crit
shadow ibex
The disadvantages in this case can lead to the damage not happening
mortal crag
Rip ait
latent moss
i think farover is close or at it
steep osprey
The disadvantages in this case can lead to the damage not happening
I'll give you the issue with targets moving and cancelling, that's bad
But other than that I don't really think it's bad
and they kind of fixed that issue on PTR 50% lol
at least it goes off on aoe after that
mortal crag
But that's the main issue
shadow ibex
I think having to make a disclaimer like that is wild
mortal crag
Any ability thst gets canceled by OTHER people isn't fun
shadow ibex
"Sometimes it doesn't happen" is an insane disclaimer
mortal crag
big numbers more colossal might
Real
shadow ibex
That's my whole point
steep osprey
Ok fair enough
mortal crag
"I love when my convoke gets fucked because the tank gripped mobs away" said no feral ever
shadow ibex
I feel like if you have to lead with "sometimes the dmg doesn't come out", we're already lost the plot
steep osprey
Ferals can just move during convoke
mortal crag
"I love when the mobs aren't gathered so my tempest hits only the prio mob and not the entire pull" said no shaman
shadow ibex
And i have to ask what gain is there in that even being a reality
steep osprey
"I love when the mobs aren't gathered so my tempest hits only the prio mob and n...
Isn't this a bit of a skill issue?
just target the mob with the highest amount of mobs on them lol
shadow ibex
Do you think the game is better because a tank can ruin your hero spec ability?
mortal crag
Isn't this a bit of a skill issue?
Isn't demolish getting fucked by rop a skill issue cuz u didn't expect the tank to rop?
shadow ibex
Do you think that's fun gameplay to worry about?
mortal crag
Doesn't make it enjoyable lmao
mortal crag
I literally announce to my tank every 30s I'm about to demolish
We both don't want to do it
But if I don't I lose damage
shadow ibex
At the very least the mental load isn't on par with another spec in that case
mortal crag
Play dk and put death and decay
shadow ibex
Not even talking about demolish specific. It's asking something of the player no other ability does
mortal crag
I'll give u 2 keys before u wanna rip the keybind off
mortal crag
spear of might s1 dragonflight being played on m+
steep osprey
Dnd is way easier to work with because it still stays for 3 seconds after you move from it
mortal crag
Absolute cinema
steep osprey
But I'm glad FDK cleave isn't a thing anymore
shadow ibex
Dnd is probably closest thing to demo but even then multiple charges
mortal crag
Dnd is way easier to work with because it still stays for 3 seconds after you mo...
Ok so make demolish easier to work with by letting us move with it or make it not snap cancel?
shadow ibex
And the buff persists
mortal crag
💀
steep osprey
Ok so make demolish easier to work with by letting us move with it or make it no...
I'm all for that
I'm not saying that's not a bad thing
latent moss
make demo like
mortal crag
There's NO skill expression in demo being canceled
shadow ibex
For whatever reason they are stuck on demo being like this. Despite it being clear they aren't using it themselves
latent moss
flame breath or w/e but a regular channel
shadow ibex
There's NO skill expression in demo being canceled
This is ultimately the biggest thing
There's no upside to it
latent moss
charging up one single massive attack. you move and see the range
shadow ibex
It's simply them shoehorning in flavor
0 skill expression beyond are you in coms so you can talk to the tank
ancient scroll
demo getting canceled is the warriors fault
100% of the time
should never happen
steep osprey
The fact it ever happens is the issue for them, I think
shadow ibex
It shouldn't be possible to cancel such an important ability lol
ancient scroll
I agree
mortal crag
I think 2nd worse thing with demo
ancient scroll
but if you play well it should never happen
shadow ibex
but if you play well it should never happen
That's just bait
dim basalt
Kurim has a point imo
steep osprey
I'm being fucking edged
I'd rather it not crit tbh
shadow ibex
He really doesn't lol
steep osprey
if it crit they'd cut down it's damage
mortal crag
Kurim has a point imo
I mean yes, in an ideal world
ancient scroll
It is extremely rare that I have demo get canceled
mortal crag
But the point were making is that it's sometimes outside our control
ancient scroll
and anytime it does it is my fault
shadow ibex
That's great for you man really
mortal crag
I could be having a regular demo and suddenly my feral fucking typhoons
dim basalt
But thats really, REALLY rare
shadow ibex
But I assume you play with steady group
steep osprey
if Demo cancels, it should just reset it's cd
mortal crag
But thats really, REALLY rare
Not when my feral is brain damaged
dim basalt
Not when my feral is brain damaged
mortal crag
Or at least refund
steep osprey
Don't play with brain damaged ferals
mortal crag
But I assume you play with steady group
Steady doesn't mean good
I can't, he's a friend
shadow ibex
Steady doesn't mean good
No I'm saying to whoever says my demo doesn't get canceled and when it does it's my fault
Like that is r/iamverybadass
ancient scroll
cope
shadow ibex
Like alright buddy you're the best at casting demo. I'm sure there were mages that loved rune of power
minor gust
at the end of the day both are right a lot of cancels are the warriors fault and their are times someone can be a terrorist and move mobs away
dim basalt
I just wonder if the demo changes on ptr will be useful at all
steep osprey
The CD should just reset if a mob goes away
dim basalt
I feel like if you ever miss demo the 5 yards arent gonna do a whole lot either
rare kite
I just wonder if the demo changes on ptr will be useful at all
you can leap now to redirect if need be
shadow ibex
They are trying to make it easier to use workout just pulling off the bandaid
I don't understand dancing around it
minor gust
you can leap now to redirect if need be
you have always been able to do that just easier now
rare kite
you have always been able to do that just easier now
yea but giga risky before
dim basalt
Id rather make them arms be more skillful
steep osprey
That's clear from the fact they don't want to make it refund or whatever if it cancels
shadow ibex
Yes make this 3 button spec skillful
mortal crag
No I'm saying to whoever says my demo doesn't get canceled and when it does it's...
Ywah i kno
rare kite
Id rather make them arms be more skillful
who cares if it's skillfull. just need to be satisfying. i want it to be proc centric and no holding the procs, spend them ASAP
shadow ibex
That's clear from the fact they don't want to make it refund or whatever if it c...
I think it's more they've never played it themselves at a high level and don't know how annoying it is
rare kite
and suddenly you have a very fun spec
dim basalt
who cares if it's skillfull. just need to be satisfying. i want it to be proc ce...
I mean fair, almost every spec is easy to play
Just a matter of practice
shadow ibex
I think the 3 button aoe rotation is an outlier
mortal crag
My biggest issue with Arms at least for me is how often I just feel like I can't press what I want/need to
Could be cuz no bloodsurge
So I'll see today
dim basalt
I think the 3 button aoe rotation is an outlier
In what way
rare kite
My biggest issue with Arms at least for me is how often I just feel like I can't...
you mean like rage starving?? never really experience that
shadow ibex
In what way
In a bad way
mortal crag
you mean like rage starving?? never really experience that
No shaman and no bloodsurge + I'm new to arms
steep osprey
I don't think rage is really an issue
mortal crag
It is for me BOZO
minor gust
rage starving happens due to a mix of good and bad luck
dim basalt
Cleave MS OP is arms aoe
Would you rather have an aoe rotation like WW
rare kite
no shaman buff is decently noticeable. if you get lots of EB resets then it happens
dim basalt
Lots of buttons but little damage
minor gust
u can starve easily
mortal crag
Me when I write "my biggest issue FOR ME" yet people not acknowledge my OWN issues
"my issue for me"
"well it's not an issue for me"
uhhh OK MUTOU LORD OF R1 ARMS PLAYERS AND BEST WOW PLAYER EVER
fathom shoal
Keep rage above zero
shadow ibex
Would you rather have an aoe rotation like WW
Idk but I also don't get paid to design classes. I just know 3 button rotation seems mad basic
hollow plover
"my issue for me"
"well it's not an issue for me"
uhhh OK MUTOU LORD OF R1 ARMS...
isnt mutou hella washed
dim basalt
Not wrong
mortal crag
you get lucky exhil procs
Ws19 I got like 11 mortal strikes in a row on BL on last boss
buddy
dim basalt
Im not sure if Blizz really has designated class designers
mortal crag
My tip was sticky
dim basalt
I dont think so tbh
mortal crag
Have it recorded too
hollow plover
My tip was sticky
dim basalt
If I had to take a guess their gameplay engineers design classes
mortal crag
isnt mutou hella washed
So am I
Literally first week ever taking arms seriously
Timed a couple 19s
Went almost full 18s on btm week
rare kite
Idk but I also don't get paid to design classes. I just know 3 button rotation s...
was really basic in legion but fun af. you had cs,ms, slam and execute for rotations. could pick up overpower but iirc we did not play that. was proc city. cs on tactician resetting ms
mortal crag
As foory
minor gust
Ws19 I got like 11 mortal strikes in a row on BL on last boss
bloodsurge should help smooth things a lil since u dont have a shaman losing 1 BB for it is like nothing especially this patch. 11.2 tho def cant drop it tho
mortal crag
And then my tank started moaning I need to go arms for 19s 20s
mortal crag
bloodsurge should help smooth things a lil since u dont have a shaman losing 1 B...
Can't drop bb?
Or can't drop bloodsurge?
shadow ibex
was really basic in legion but fun af. you had cs,ms, slam and execute for rotat...
It's basic now but in bad way imo. Just keep those 3 buttons on cooldown. Order doesn't really matter. Next tier tclap more
latent moss
My biggest issue with Arms at least for me is how often I just feel like I can't...
can op>ms at low rage if u dont need cm stacks and to not delay cleave
mortal crag
Centimeter
minor gust
Can't drop bb?
11.2 colosus will have a strong emphasis on bleed you wont be able to drop bb points but right now your fine
mortal crag
Centimeter stacks
latent moss
11.2 colossus will have 50% crit
steep osprey
legion arms rotation
Cleave on cd and spamming WW, invigorating
rare kite
It's basic now but in bad way imo. Just keep those 3 buttons on cooldown. Order ...
agreed. basic can be really fun, but outside of EB our procs do not feel good.
steep osprey
Someone take Ragish's keyboard away
shadow ibex
agreed. basic can be really fun, but outside of EB our procs do not feel good.
Just doesn't feel like there's any design
Just buttons that deal dam
rare kite
Cleave on cd and spamming WW, invigorating
you can dumb down alot of rotations in this way if you want. ele shaman aoe is just spam chain lightning for the most part, still satisfying
shadow ibex
Keep the good ones on cooldown
steep osprey
you can dumb down alot of rotations in this way if you want. ele shaman aoe is j...
I do not find that satisfying
mortal crag
Wackish <:keks:936231610850897992>
Washed + cringe + l + seethe + cope + doesn't rhyme + bad + grey parses
steep osprey
did u guys see the survival sentiel set
mortal crag
https://tenor.com/view/trump-donald-trump-you-rock-the-best-you-are-the-best-gif-8739782843522006768
steep osprey
Washed + cringe + l + seethe + cope + doesn't rhyme + bad + grey parses
True
rare kite
then do you find current arms satisfying? you press the same buttons, order basically does not matter. only button that has any impact is MS. i guess a big collatt cleave as well but that isn't super frequent
@steep osprey
mortal crag
Cba hack squats going home
steep osprey
then do you find current arms satisfying? you press the same buttons, order basi...
The only thing I find fun about arms is the EB procs
and demolish in aoe
rare kite
The only thing I find fun about arms is the EB procs
yeah coz the only satisfying thing about arms is MS. when not pressing MS you wish you could press MS instead
battlelord feels good because it means more MS
steep osprey
yeah coz the only satisfying thing about arms is MS. when not pressing MS you wi...
It wouldn't be if all you pressed was MS imo
then you'd have WoD
balmy kindle
demolish is fun though
shadow ibex
That's what colossus does in ST now
I mean you don't even press execute except as last resort
shadow ibex
It wouldn't be if all you pressed was MS imo
This is a gameplay right now
balmy kindle
a shame execujte sucks but thats more on blizzard
steep osprey
This is a gameplay right now
That is defintely not true
shadow ibex
No. You can play it right now
steep osprey
You press OP in hopes of resetting MS and Slam when you want to get OP
shadow ibex
Just log warrior and pick colossus
rare kite
see that's the thing. they need to find a balance, sd should be satisfying. but because of baseline damage and jugg it feels like ass, overpower procs should be satisfying but they've never been. overpower has no impact. when it comes to overpower it's an ability where i go "this means i don't have to press slam atleast"
steep osprey
Idk I feel like it's a good loop
rare kite
but not heard many other people hate on overpower the way i do. i actually like overpower in cata, it's consistent
shadow ibex
Idk I feel like it's a good loop
But you don't play it?
steep osprey
even on Blord now u hit OP to get MS
Why would that be a bad thing though
shadow ibex
OP is as good as it can be. Last time it was better was DF
steep osprey
But you don't play it?
I played it a bunch, doesn't mean I don't know how it works
shadow ibex
They tried take power from it with the rage changes
balmy kindle
i dont think its bad either, just kinda ehh
shadow ibex
That didn't accomplish anything
rare kite
OP is as good as it can be. Last time it was better was DF
yeah it can do all the damage it wants. i just do not find the button satisfying, has no impact. no oomph
shadow ibex
Honestly the fact they skated by those rage changes that changed absolutely nothing without any backlash is p funny
They raised a big fuss with these big rage changes
That accomplished nothing. 0
steep osprey
I don't know if it accomplished nothing
you used to use a WW cd that cost 60 rage on cd
and TC
you had infinite rage
It did accomblish something
rare kite
like compared to ms,execute or cs it doesn't physically hit the same. idk i just don't think overpower being on a proc can ever be satisfying
steep osprey
The rage generation is a lot slower than it was in DF
or did u forget how wild it was lol
Just based on this, they accomplished something
shadow ibex
you had infinite rage
We still do
And they made the change because OP was too easy to reset and we used it a lot
Guess what? Op casts haven't gone down
Nothing changed.
rare kite
i can prob count on 1 hand the amount of times i've rage starved this season, and that was with an ungodly amount of EB resets. we still swim in rage