arms

[neon ocean]

Won't miss this current tier bonus that we will be dropping either

[latent moss]

same

[neon ocean]

The s2 bonus

[latent moss]

annoying ahh

[shadow ibex]

so yea it should do more dmg to warrant the amount of set up colossus has

[steep osprey]

They probably make fury set the last one, all their ideas are gone and they have to make up some bullshit

[smoky kayak]

it's like 15-20% of your damage or something in M+, it's pretty good

[latent moss]

s1 df tier was peak

execute was just shit

[smoky kayak]

yeah the set was fun to play

[steep osprey]

I agree

[smoky kayak]

and funny enough, that set basically became Slayer - proving that just cause it was a weak set doesn't mean it wasn't a good idea

[steep osprey]

this set is a way better execute set though

[minor gust]

I enjoyed it

[latent moss]

ye fury eating good with this set on st

[minor gust]

Slayer is pretty bis for fury

[steep osprey]

If only Thane is fixed

[minor gust]

great way for it to play

[latent moss]

slayer plays so well

with fury

[steep osprey]

I agree

[neon ocean]

I liked the s3 dragonflight set, was also a fun way to spread rend

[smoky kayak]

they'll adjust it

[smoky kayak]

did you try it on the ptr yet? it's cracked

[latent moss]

arms is good but jugg

[steep osprey]

I actually love the slayer set for fury, the rotation is fairly different and exciting

but the main issue is rampage prio for me in general

[sour forge]

If only fury could aoe

[steep osprey]

I want rampage to be the highest prio

after that execute

[minor gust]

I did for a lil I very much enjoy it

[smoky kayak]

like 20s bladestorms

[steep osprey]

is PTR down rn?

[smoky kayak]

yep

[sour forge]

They’re busy cooking warrior buffs

[latent moss]

man

[minor gust]

if we dont get that jugg change and its a slayer tier for arms im prob just playing fury all tier

[latent moss]

execute on fury fucks now as well

[latent moss]

99.99% slayer tier

for arm

[minor gust]

there might be some colossus angle on 2 of the bosses

[olive nest]

Ptr patch notes delayed because full team is cooking up warrior changes collectively

[neon ocean]

I like both specs so I'm just gonna play whatever is more effective

If that's fury then I'm game

[smoky kayak]

Colossus is really far behind ST right now, so idk

[latent moss]

u will go slayer and someone else will deal with adds or w/e

[smoky kayak]

Tryin to get a buff, but it's also really ahead in MT, so

[minor gust]

its 2T is prob still really good tho right?

[latent moss]

oh theres a 2t fight

if its perma 2t then colo

[minor gust]

the DH boss

[latent moss]

idk havent looked

[minor gust]

3 target mostly 2T perma

[olive nest]

I don’t mind slayer in raid tbh, it’s fairly easy to manage while doing progression

[smoky kayak]

2 target slayer, keep jugg up on both

[latent moss]

holy cm generation

on 2t

[olive nest]

Colo would be a nice change up though

[latent moss]

i think they said they dont want 1 hero talent to be dominant in all content

[smoky kayak]

they don't, but you know it doesn't always work out that cleanly

[minor gust]

I think colossus raid is cursed because its good in M+

[latent moss]

ye but in the case of arms

[minor gust]

thats why its not a priority to them to make colossus good in raid

[olive nest]

Right now we have a stronger one for each type of content

[latent moss]

they have to explicitly make it good for raid

[olive nest]

Doubt they shift it to heavily

[latent moss]

which they dont want to do i guess

cause they want slayer to have a place kinda

same with fury

[minor gust]

let Reap proc off WW

save Slayer in M+

[latent moss]

ngl i wouldnt wont colo in raid anyway

slayer feels better on st

minus jugg stuff

[olive nest]

Yes agree

[minor gust]

nah

[olive nest]

Colo for M+ is good

[minor gust]

arms need battlelord

so badly

[olive nest]

Slayer for raid is good

[smoky kayak]

personally, I think this tier had a strong paradigm of

• A generally better in raid, and not too far behind in M+
• B generally better in M+, and useful on 1-2 raid fights

arms and fury both actually had really good gameplay representation this season - Slayer, Colossus, and Thane all saw a lot of play

[minor gust]

yeah overall it was good

[latent moss]

i sat a dummy for like 20 minutes as slayer

[smoky kayak]

tuning might have been fucky in some places, but the fact that we actually played all four variants somewhere was really nice

[latent moss]

i really dont need blord

as slayer

[minor gust]

its better than most classes and their hero spec diversity

[latent moss]

sd procs perma

thane fury is just cinema

big hp man

sitting in all the shit on stix

[smoky kayak]

crossing fingers they take my suggestions on Thane set, would give it some pretty dope gameplay

[latent moss]

best part about thane is comparing hp

[smoky kayak]

• Give Ionizing Strikes a 100% chance to proc, in order to eliminate the compound RNG, and tune the damage accordingly.
• Allow 4p procs to reset the cooldown on Thunder Blast, to give the set more immediate gameplay feedback and allow rare but exciting proc chains.
• Add +X% Thunder Blast damage to the 4p, raising the overall damage contribution.

[rare kite]

You end up holding them for so long tho. Blord just makes arms feel better

[latent moss]

not anymore

send at mfe>1

[steep osprey]

That can be fixed though

[latent moss]

yeah tblast not resetting the cd always felt weird as thane

[smoky kayak]

So every TBlast triggers Ionizing and Ionizing sometimes triggers a TBlast reset
on proc you Blast -> Blast, if you're lucky you might get streaks where you chain Blast until you need to refresh enrage

[steep osprey]

The fact that Colossus has a huge damage amp on Cleave is making it so much better on aoe along with other things

They could nerf that one and buff something else

[minor gust]

of course it can was just more saying its not a priority for them to fix because it has its place in pve content. Its not like Herald of the Sun for ret which is useless in all forms of content

[steep osprey]

That sounds too good to be true

[latent moss]

good

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, you frankly don't want to make Colossus too viable in raid if it's also dominating M+

but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be close enough that you wanna use it on some fights

[shadow ibex]

i dont think that's the end of the world really if it is variety

my DK places deathbringer in all content and its great cuz DB is fun

[smoky kayak]

its bad if the same one becomes best everywhere

[shadow ibex]

if colossus was best everywhere that's cool

[steep osprey]

I think they should both be close enough that you can play either if you want to, not straight up domination on separate contents like it is right now

[shadow ibex]

because ive been playing the same slayer build for 2 tiers now

[latent moss]

idk st colossus isnt very good at st ngl

[shadow ibex]

and it doesn't look like it will be changing

[latent moss]

demo perma desynced

low cm generation

[shadow ibex]

its all tuning

[smoky kayak]

only if you happen to enjoy the thing that ends up being best, if it goes the other way, you're right back here complaining 😛

[latent moss]

its not tuning

[shadow ibex]

not like BS is up every time

[olive nest]

I do not want to play desyncd spec in raid

[latent moss]

its the fact that it doesnt feel good

[olive nest]

It’s already bad enough to play desyncd spec in M+

[shadow ibex]

that's why i said variety 😛

[latent moss]

slayer has monster executes

[shadow ibex]

variety is important

[latent moss]

colo needs to waste the entire rage bar for a chance at a monster ms

[minor gust]

Reap the storm working with WW

The blender

[latent moss]

❌

[steep osprey]

Spin while you're spinning

[minor gust]

would genuinly give more variety for arms

Have colossus be about cleave

Slayer is about WW in aoe

[smoky kayak]

well if the balance is good, having different options better in different areas does create more variety than one thing being best everywhere

again

• A best in raid, and close-ish in M+
• B best in M+, and viable for a couple MT-heavy raid fights

that's basically what we had this tier, and it was very good variety

[shadow ibex]

ill take anything instead of the current situation that sees both specs slamming the same talents in their respective content

[smoky kayak]

Col still could have had slightly better ST, but it wasn't bad

[candid pecan]

they can easily close the ST gap between Colossus and Slayer by buffing Practices strikes and Arterial bleed (which indirectly will buff AOE too).

[steep osprey]

Was colossus played on a boss this tier?

[smoky kayak]

they didn't entirely, but that is also something that blizz has been slowly improving - next tier is much more diverse

[latent moss]

yeah that would not end well

[shadow ibex]

saying colossus was played this tier is misleading imo

[smoky kayak]

Stix and Bandit, presuming you played Arms on them

[minor gust]

before nerfs colossus was mostly played on OAB

Stix colossus idk was whatever

[latent moss]

playing arms in raid in big 2025

[shadow ibex]

like 90% of arms players probably got to oab after colossus was possible

i dont think its even worth mentioning

[smoky kayak]

I mean yeah it was, if you were really min/maxing you'd just swap to Fury instead for Stix
but that wasn't the subject of the conversation; we're talking about playing Arms

[steep osprey]

When did people start saying big and year? lol

Why is it big

[olive nest]

Just toss on cleave/Dreadnaught for stix

Good enough

[shadow ibex]

i think court was an actual fight where we could say we have a colossus fight in raid

[olive nest]

Stay slayer

[shadow ibex]

because that was at least relevant all tier

[smoky kayak]

that's ok, they were still doing it on H

[shadow ibex]

was there an abundence of people playing colossus on heroic?

[smoky kayak]

idk about an abundance, but it definitely saw play

[shadow ibex]

WCL says 0% but

[smoky kayak]

at this point, sure

[shadow ibex]

idk where that go cut off

[minor gust]

I progged as fury but even if I were to think what I would do if I progged as arms I would just be slayer with cleave being better. Colossus was just more get lucky on add timings

[shadow ibex]

well

[steep osprey]

At least Thane saw play on Stix for fury

[shadow ibex]

at its best it was 5%

[latent moss]

ye but u also have to take into account that fury was just better

[shadow ibex]

so yea i dont think that counts at all

[steep osprey]

A lot better lol

[shadow ibex]

11.1 has 5% of the heroic logs as col

[smoky kayak]

I mean yeah, Fury was a demonstrably better choice
but we can't really apply that to a convo about Arms

the whole point is ensuring there's a place for both heroes, if you want to play Arms

[latent moss]

ye but this convo is about arms

not fury

[rare kite]

Oab as well. And while not alot played it for rik, it was viable there too

[latent moss]

colossus on ovinax

(fury)

(reap rng simulator)

[steep osprey]

pre nerf fury

[latent moss]

i was perma dead

on that fight

[minor gust]

just proc reap on every unhinged cast

its that easy

[smoky kayak]

fury doesn't really have that much RNG on Reap, since it has better chance to proc in MT

[steep osprey]

Remember when they just disabled Unhinged Cleave a week before the patch hit

[latent moss]

ye but on ovinax it did swing ur damage

[shadow ibex]

i still dont know why we cant have this

you gonna press it anyway cuz ur in WB window

[latent moss]

jumpscare

[shadow ibex]

and its not like it was broken

[steep osprey]

What is this

[shadow ibex]

yo can i get a bop

i keep dying to this spider

[minor gust]

ah good moments me screaming bop bop bop bop bop bop

[smoky kayak]

there's still some RNG yes, but it's not nearly as swingy as Arms

[latent moss]

colossal spider

[shadow ibex]

[olive nest]

I had same problem

[shadow ibex]

it was always the same set too

plz just bop me

[olive nest]

They ended up giving me bop on each set

[shadow ibex]

im gonna tank this thing i promise

[latent moss]

ye

[olive nest]

Lmao

[shadow ibex]

lmao

[smoky kayak]

because they wanted it to be a ST talent, not a MT one

[shadow ibex]

but MS has aoe value

in all specs

[smoky kayak]

that doesn't matter

[shadow ibex]

and BS is an MT tool

[latent moss]

bs is a nothing tool ngl

anti cc

[smoky kayak]

and they want unhinged to increase its ST value, not (or moreso than) its MT value

[shadow ibex]

if that is their resoning, its fuckin stupid

lol

[latent moss]

[shadow ibex]

its already a MT tool

its not like the use case has changed

[latent moss]

i dont think

[shadow ibex]

you aren't gonna be like oh i can sweep this MS i will now change how i use my bladestorm

[latent moss]

cleaving unhinged would make a difference

[smoky kayak]

it wouldn't

[latent moss]

except for colo maybe

for cm generation

[shadow ibex]

it made a slight differnece for colossus aoe

[latent moss]

which we had as a bug

[shadow ibex]

burst came out a bit faster

[smoky kayak]

but they've been quite clear about their intent that Unhinged be more of a ST power gain than a MT one

and have no desire to change it

[shadow ibex]

yea that's dumb

[steep osprey]

It's still a huge power gain, even on one target

[shadow ibex]

if only that level of care

would be taken to the tree as a whole

[smoky kayak]

now... hypothetically if we had more competitive options at the bottom of the tree, that could result in dropping Unhinged from heavy MT builds in order to take something else

e.g. if Dance of Death were something more generic like "Bladestorm does 50% more damage" (kek), it's very possible we would take that instead of Unhinged in M+
or if Fatality were more reliable in M+, etc

[latent moss]

why is it dumb i dont understand

our tree is just ass at mt options

mbg bloodletting ig

[shadow ibex]

because it isnt relevant at all in game really

we aren't making an aoe vs MT choice

[latent moss]

yeah cause we dont have a mt choice

[shadow ibex]

trying to say THIS IS AN ST TALENT THIS IS A HOLY PLACE DO NOT CROSS

[latent moss]

if we did we would drop it

in aoe content

but we dont

[shadow ibex]

its like trying to paint the talent tree as something it isnt

just 0 emotional intelligence

[steep osprey]

Spriest has a node that increases shadow crash damage by 300% lmao

on PTR

[latent moss]

doesnt it just spread dots

[steep osprey]

Yeah, probably useless since your damage is in the dots spreading

[latent moss]

random ahh buff

[shadow ibex]

the fact we run out of good stuff to take in mid row for aoe

like we have aoe "options"

that option being storm of swords

its just shitty

[steep osprey]

They made it apply to 6 instead of 8 targets and gave it 2 charges. Still doesn't fix the issue but at least you can apply it to 12 targets immediately now I guess

[shadow ibex]

because we need as many dead talents as possible

they are like expedient corruptions

[smoky kayak]

yep, the bottom part of the tree is pretty ST focused, but more so than that the talents all lean into niches that aren't always useful in all content

• EP/Jugg doesn't have a lot of value in MT or Colossus in general
• Fatality doesn't work very well with quickly dying targets
• Dance of Death has hypothetical funnel value, but doesn't really have a practical use atm
  so Unhinged is just a strong universal choice, regardless of whether it cleaves or not

[latent moss]

i would like to see dance of death as real funnel value talent

[shadow ibex]

how many words can we fit in front of dance of death before we accept its fucked

hypthetical funnel value lol

when has that ever been relevant

[candid pecan]

what does dance of death even do? hold on let me read

[latent moss]

in a fight where adds are dying fast

[shadow ibex]

i swear that's just nosense

lol

[latent moss]

and u can keep it up

[shadow ibex]

so not practical in any game scenario

that's what we mean when we say funnel value?

just say that

[latent moss]

thats up to blizzard

[shadow ibex]

last time we had an encounter like that was mythic zul in uldir

and i think it was probably the most hated encounter of that tier?

[steep osprey]

There are some fights where dance of death would have worked but I don't think there's been any recent fights like that

There's Mannoroth from HFC

the imps

[shadow ibex]

lets use the last 10 years

cmon

[steep osprey]

lmao

[shadow ibex]

HC is from another life man

[steep osprey]

that is 10 years

2016 is HFC

[shadow ibex]

holy fuck i forgot it was two of them

i never got a fel drinking horn

[steep osprey]

Yeah it would have been nice in that fight

also General Nazgrim if you didn't reset the boss

There are like 40 grunts with him

[shadow ibex]

that was just on pull

and yyour warlock deleted them

i didnt care about parses back then but that fight 10000% 0 all star points

[steep osprey]

lol

Yep

[shadow ibex]

1 guy hitting adds

[steep osprey]

Fury's BS on those adds

was crazy

[shadow ibex]

and then we got nazgrims ravager

and p sure didnt use it at all in wod? idk about legion

def not bfa

[steep osprey]

It's interesting how we get abilities from bosses a year after

Ravager was from nazgrim

[shadow ibex]

it used to not follow

[steep osprey]

It was used in Legion

a lot

[shadow ibex]

[steep osprey]

Idk about WoD

You know what's funny

we had Ravager, BS and DR in WoD

all seperately used

[shadow ibex]

DR was weird for awhile

for longest it was like auto critting armor ignoring knock backing

like what is this button

half second stunning

[steep osprey]

Last row didn't have any chance for fury warriors when they had Reckless Abandon there in legion lol

auto pick

[rare kite]

i mean autopick in talent tree for mop-shadowlands type talent tree is very different from autopick df-tww

[steep osprey]

True

[shadow ibex]

meh i couldnt tell you which feels worse

we've been using these slayer talents all expac

if its supposed to offer more freedom not quite sure they do

[neat cedar]

Does anyone know why sometimes using Heroic Leap to skip out on the way to the Machinist's Garden in the Mechagon Workshop fails?

[rare kite]

yes. you cannot leap directly over their model

[neat cedar]

Thanks for your answer o7

[latent moss]

when u leap

for some time

idk how long

u arent actually in the air

u should jump then leap

painsmith balls tech

[shadow ibex]

when's our leap spreadsheet

requires jump
doesn't require jump

[latent moss]

i always jump anyway

leapmaxxing

[dim basalt]

Patch 12.0: Heroic Leap removed as it requires external data

[shadow ibex]

that's the joke i was working to

gotta remove second wind as well

[dim basalt]

SR be like "am I a joke to you?"

[shadow ibex]

and the reflect portion of reflect, can only keep the magic DR

spell reflect has to be a DR only cuz i have to alt tab to check if this can be reflected

[oak quartz]

No new patch?

[charred shoal]

hi guys

just came back to game

what are we spending dinars on, i dont have acess to mythic raid but have all 12s done

[spiral coral]

Blizzard truly dead. Warcraft Rumble not receiving new content

What am I going to play while waiting on food or something

[dire hinge]

Balatro

[dire hinge]

we have a post about this which can offer some guidance for you here:
#updates-midnight message

[tender jolt]

random question, is the 10x droprate for mounts active now?

[latent moss]

clash royale

2.6 hog cycle

https://tenor.com/view/sneaky-golem-clash-royale-clash-of-clans-deck-gif-15376946106704274290

[spiral coral]

Never tried it are you memeing or being serious

[latent moss]

serious

just dont play mega knight

[teal fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/sososos-golem-clash-royale-gif-26781963

[strange perch]

@latent moss come here boy

[dire hinge]

it's 2x at the moment i believe and scales with time

i haven't kept up with it specifically, but you can see your current drop rate via buff on your character

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/world-events/collectors-bounty-guide-mounts-rewards

[tender jolt]

oh nice, thanks for that ☺

[dire hinge]

of course! good luck on the drops friend!

[tender jolt]

hurt my hand have time off work so gotta find something to do haha

[dire hinge]

oh hell yeah nice smart

[latent moss]

2.6 hog cycle

[latent moss]

hi pauc

[strange perch]

Have you heard of 1.6 nothing cycle

[latent moss]

cycle my balls

ballshd

[strange perch]

https://youtu.be/xCQNHEavCok?si=_H33E02c_w_Z3oQF

Look

1.8 sorry..

[latent moss]

thats 1.8....

dart goblin cycle

[strange perch]

Whats he gonna do bro

[latent moss]

get 3 crowned

[strange perch]

:true:

[dire hinge]

yo is that a panini press hell yeah

[teal fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-gif-14545922558298420974

[cold knot]

Bringing arms to mythic mug tonight, haven't really raided on this character so I haven't bothered to figure out where to pop pots. Can I just macro it with avatar or is there somewhere specific I should pop them?

[silk spade]

don't macro your pot

ever

[cold knot]

how come out of curiosity

[reef glade]

better to control when you want it usually especially in circumstances where you’d wanna save it for a later point in the fight (kinda like you’d want to on mugzee)

[silk spade]

well if you are on a boss that has an amp or that you lust at the end for example
the CD usage that you want your pot on, might not be the first that you press after your pot comes back up

[reef glade]

you probably can fit two pots on pull and late into p2 on mugz but think generally if you’re worried about p2 dmg i tend to just pot right on intermission+ lust with all our cds lining up

big strongus

[cold knot]

gotcha, that makes sense. Main reason they're having me on warrior is for the execute damage lol

[silk spade]

if you're progging or struggling I would just save pot for lust

but never macro your pot to anything, that's really bad

[reef glade]

Also depending on group dps at this point in the tier with like the most borrowed power possible you might be likely to skip second dirt phase which is about perfectly lining up using pot/lust on your 3 minute cd, and my guild did get to do that this week and our boss died at 5:09

So even if I potted on pull (assuming I didnt don’t remember) would have not much time left to use the second one at the end

Ofc if u have lower dps or just hold dps for the 4minute ish lust could feasibly pot on pull and make good use of the second for more personal dmg but overall for prog boss killing purposes just holding it for lust usually the best

ok I potted lust like a good boy nice

Do tend to just fat finger a ton on pull muscle memory

[spiral coral]

sword explaining stuff is 10/10

[spiral coral]

Im stealing this to say when I use a pot during lust

[reef glade]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-funny-reaction-meme-stan-twt-horse-gif-2791469803182064015

[olive nest]

@shadow ibex PAIN

not locked in but rank 6 so far

(mean while tmy probably doing 4.2m or some shit lmao)

[shadow ibex]

gz king

fuck jug

[olive nest]

real

[analog smelt]

single button is actually pretty good on arms? compare to fury

for ST

[dire hinge]

we have numbers showing how behind One Button Rotation for both specs here:
#updates-midnight message

[storm lark]

damn easy rank 1 if u didnt drop stacks

[balmy kindle]

Damn we reached the point where it's parsing in mythic now

[storm lark]

always has been

[stable fiber]

4.2 was only possible when shockers counted

prob not anymore

but with the possible variance this dumbass spec has

4.2 is TECHNICALLY possible

[thick kelp]

Just do 4.2 mil dps

not that hard guys

[stable fiber]

true

just have 10 stacks of your tier + 15 stacks of juggernaut + bladestorm with every cs guranteed + all mortal strikes crit !!!!!!

then you can do the same dps as a MM hunter!!!!

not more though

that would be a balancing disaster

(my 659 mm hunter does that same dps on 5 targets as my 685 arms warrior)

GAME IS BALANCEEEEED MANNN

659 mm hunter is creeping VERY close to my 715 arms warrior on the ptr

interesting right

[strange perch]

Hello khazix

Do you evolve q first or ult or w or e

[swift crown]

if it's not W evolve Manamune Khazix mid I dont want it

[dim basalt]

And only if midjump w works

[stable fiber]

in aram

i go e -> w -> r

norms i go q -> w -> r

ranked is for people who get bullied

[storm lark]

which skin

[thick kelp]

Death blossom

[storm lark]

Valid but Mecha>>>

[quaint otter]

Mecha.

Blue chroma

[storm lark]

I use mecha white chroma

[quaint otter]

Mecha rengar with white chroma is bis

And aatrox

[strange perch]

Shamrock malphite

[quaint otter]

Balls

[slow saddle]

warrior is op tahts why

And by warrior i mean the PLAYERBASE

[dim basalt]

MM is ridiculously overtuned

Im surprised they havent patched anything on the ptr yet

[slow saddle]

it is on LIVE as well

Burst wise

?

😄

[dim basalt]

Theyre really strong but not overtuned imo

[slow saddle]

i meeeean

if warrior did that

[dim basalt]

Who cares if its only burst

[slow saddle]

what would we be ?

NERFED

[dim basalt]

Right now its still nothing to what warrior did in the beginning of S1

tbh

[slow saddle]

nah

MM is still top ST dmg man

on mythic raids

st and can burst?

but y fights are gettin shorter so their 2m burst gets value i c

hm

y i dno man season 1 warrior wasnt insane. it could slay small adds

ST dmg wasnt great as well

[dim basalt]

Im not saying that theyre bad

Im not sure if youre aware how overtuned they are on ptr

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aPZSnwMrSNHRe2Q65XedqmFN4-8P0NlK4Bx03vaxclA/edit?gid=821173246#gid=821173246

And its not just MM but also BM

Windwalker should be taken with a grain of salt because its hard to tell if theyre exploiting

[slow saddle]

Cries in

Warrior

😦

[storm lark]

Its gonna be fine. Warrior is never bad

[slow saddle]

but y MM boomie + SP does seem like outlier specs ?

[dim basalt]

Boomie is bugged

Hunter + SP are just strong afaik

[slow saddle]

ok but i mean how come arms seems so shit?

like is it just the fights?

[dim basalt]

Honestly Im not sure

Fights are not really anti arms

I tested with my guild but only NM and I was top 3 dps usually

[slow saddle]

so we are sandbagging

good

[dim basalt]

I also have no idea how many people are testing warrior to begin with

Like Im pretty sure theres not a lot of warrior data

Which means we might look a lot worse than we really are

[slow saddle]

well tbh if i was ptr testing and having fun

id also choose the OP classes

seeing our tier rly doesnt need that much testing?

[dim basalt]

ye

Nothing changed at all gameplay wise

[slow saddle]

and we dont play COL anyways

sadly

[dim basalt]

Except on council

[slow saddle]

if we did i would totally do some testing just to get used to it

ye but every council fight is a meme fight nO?

[dim basalt]

usually yeah

[slow saddle]

And presuming THANE tier gets somewhat fixxed

thane is better ?

[dim basalt]

Thane needs god

[slow saddle]

i mean it just needs a 100% rework of tier

[balmy kindle]

We haven't got our talent changes though

[slow saddle]

it just doesnt work

[slow saddle]

kek

Delete juggernaut

is still real ❤️

[dim basalt]

[balmy kindle]

[slow saddle]

10 new notes

slam buffed 10%

[nimble yoke]

what seem like the op classes in m+? or has there been no m+ testing

I don't follow ptr really lol

[slow saddle]

Hunter all 3 specs

Meta currently SP - hunter + ?

[nimble yoke]

damn surv gonna be strong in m+ again

huge

[slow saddle]

i mean dno

i just saw a sentinel m+ key

it slapped

[balmy kindle]

Just gonna keep level headed lmao, still remember the amount of doom before S2 came out

[slow saddle]

?

i mean s2 has been rather rough

as fury warrior

[balmy kindle]

But this is arms sir, I don't wanna play fury

[slow saddle]

arms stil has jug

[storm lark]

Jug is fine with new tierset

[balmy kindle]

Also fury is easy fix , remove the 5 target cap and boom it's a spec again

[slow saddle]

still flat

[balmy kindle]

But blizzard for some reason thinks it's cool to keep 5 T hard cap

[slow saddle]

id rather have higher dmg to 5 targets

and better cds that do dmg to more

[dim basalt]

SV is in the gutter

[slow saddle]

Sentinel did u c in M+?

i did in a +12 i think it was

it was not in gutter at all

[dim basalt]

Still not 100% uptime

= sucks

[weak wave]

Then pls remove target cap from Sweeping Strikes too.

[strange perch]

its not in the gutter but its not m+ meta strong either and gets outshined by the other 2 specs hard atm as per usual lowk :^

[balmy kindle]

If I had my way I would just do soft caps, albeit at the expense of homogenisation

[weak wave]

That would be so boring.

[balmy kindle]

It's either boring or X class is not viable because target capped

[storm lark]

Some RNG to get your heart racing when u have a good pull

[dim basalt]

Reroll angle for me

Jugg rng is one thing, crit rng is another problem

Crit damage modifiers should be banned from all games

[uncut mural]

hi everyone
is second wind really bugged or its working as intended and its just weird wording?

[dim basalt]

There are some encounters where second wind doesnt stop healing if you mean that

[boreal quartz]

It is weird

[storm lark]

What u gonna reroll to

[dim basalt]

WW most likely

I would love to go back to hunter, my previous main, but we have too many

Same with SP

[uncut mural]

so any aoe damage should stop it?

[boreal quartz]

Until it doesnt

Famous example is rashok mythic debuff xd

[balmy kindle]

Isn't ww like risky though , if they are left unchanged ( god forbid)

[fresh spire]

Some aoe hits don't remove it. Some dots don't eiter

[dim basalt]

I dont care about performance, I want nice gameplay

[balmy kindle]

Fair enough, I liked WW in S1 but the spec felt kinda under tuned as hell

[uncut mural]

but everything should, right? when it doesnt - its a bug?

[fresh spire]

Not all. Like some fights have constant aoe. Would never work. They do exclude some things

[dim basalt]

They were really strong in the beginning of this season and are still looking good. And as far as I know (exploits aside) theyre still looking decent on PTR

Let alone the very smooth gameplay with new set

[uncut mural]

so second wind working on swapmface/candleking is intended?

[balmy kindle]

Hope you are right, my m+ mate mains monk and he would love to be able to play brew and ww

[dim basalt]

Im not sure what the state of brew is on ptr

[balmy kindle]

As per Yoda's vid, improved but DH still numba 1

Well nothings final so imo just chill

[dim basalt]

Question is

Does he know how to play brew

Watching the stress test video rn and damn prot war heals for insane amounts lmao

[nova marsh]

Eu boys

You here?

[naive sage]

Is there some post or channel summarizing classes’ balance on ptr?

[dim basalt]

Don't think so

[dim basalt]

Sup

[nova marsh]

I hope ur day goes well eu peeps

[hexed snow]

Hi eu here

[jolly goblet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cL5u5vHg1RpXMPRTieym1K
how the trinket sims so badly? i think it is bis 😮

[olive nest]

Add the item in top gear

Gear compare is legacy and might give bad information

[jolly goblet]

how can i put the item in top gear?

[olive nest]

Towards the top there’s a section that allows you to search for items, set the ilvl (and stats if it’s crafted)

[jolly goblet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dKpb5V9LEVpWKLsxHVthpz ring still simms better, should I still take the trinket or go with the ring?

[candid pecan]

PTR is down

They're COOKING some insane class changes

I know it

[hexed snow]

my dad is blizzard and he said lol

[gusty nymph]

changes for dk, mage and plly only. stop asking 🤣

[dim basalt]

"Boomkin bug is now a feature"
"Warrior Execute damage lowered by 20%"

[rare kite]

A bit more and we play colossus on all fights. We take those

[dim basalt]

Always seeing the positive things I see

[rare kite]

I just hate slarms

[wanton sierra]

im with you big mutou! colossus is the way

[storm lark]

i hate bandit man, cant get 99

[olive nest]

Sim will always suggest the biggest upgrade for your currently equipped gear so you can either pick items based off making you as strong as possible right now or what will eventually be strongest

Jastor diamond is also a best in slot piece so either* choice will be fine

[olive nest]

Bandit is forever cursed for me, I have to dunk far coin

[inner wasp]

wish my guild could get to bandit

[storm lark]

Yeah same i even had to put cancelaura bladestorm beacuse u cant insert during bs

[olive nest]

I just sit on cds

It feels super bad

[odd crest]

@storm lark you got 99 @hc though 😉

[storm lark]

yestrday i used cds at 3min30s and our kill timer was 4:57 if i held for lust would be 99 i think

[dim basalt]

hc couldnt be more irrelevant

[olive nest]

My team likes to lust right as the 4th add set “kill this” adds die

[hexed snow]

We are just lusting pull and idk if thats wroth it or not

[olive nest]

So I miss some execute lust but not a lot

We push from like 45-25ish during lust iirc

Just spit balling idr exact numbers

[strange perch]

@latent moss 10 kids in 10 years whats your favourite slang steven

[olive nest]

…puncherx

[latent moss]

gurt: yo

[rigid kelp]

Tacos for all of my single braincell warrior brothers!

[strange perch]

hey ive waited here for you everlong tonight i throw myself into and out of the red out of her head she sang

come do a key

turbotopcone

...

[latent moss]

when is patch

thats when u will see me cro

[strange perch]

so exited

[oak quartz]

My prediction for warrior changes: none.

[olive nest]

Surely arms warrior jug changes today

[hexed snow]

Nerfed jugg

20 stacks now

[oak quartz]

Reset stacks after 3 second

[olive nest]

we heard how much warriors enjoy execute and gambling for juggernaut stacks so we doubled down on this design philosophy and increased juggernaut stacks by 5 (total of 20) and lowered the duration of the buff by 4 seconds

Blizzard moment

[hexed snow]

😂

Realistic ngl

To compensate we buffed overpower with 150%

[void bay]

arent we still like a month out? they could make the best changes ever, then next week adjust numbers, or revert the changes

its why i dont bother with ptr

[olive nest]

Surely they make changes BEFORE mythic raid testing

[void bay]

🤷

[hollow plover]

sandbag the raid testing

innit

[dusk oriole]

It says you're rank 2 mythic all stars, that's wild. Is that world? Who is in front of you

[storm lark]

Alot better warriors with private logs and right after 3% buff so kinda fake

idk some russsian guy is ahead

[dusk oriole]

@storm lark What's your philosophy on stat prio? Seems you're @ 35/25/25/15 Haste Crit/Mastery Vers

[storm lark]

Dont really look at distribution, i just do what raidbots says

[dusk oriole]

Do you default patchwerk sim or something special?

[teal fossil]

stat prio is 40/40/10/10 actually

[dusk oriole]

That's not what Clever's gear looks like, and you can see his dps is high

[olive nest]

30/30/30/10

[dusk oriole]

That is much closer to his distribution

[teal fossil]

he changes his gear before he logs out so you cant see his sauce

[dusk oriole]

I'm looking at kill logs

[storm lark]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-quiet-be-gif-16684452166807817385

[dusk oriole]

If you change your gear after the kill is done.. does that not save what you're wearing when you got kill?

[olive nest]

Stat distribution is whatever top gear told him is the highest dps based off what he has in his bags

[dim basalt]

Clever used eye on Mug

sus

[olive nest]

To lazy to take it off

Same here

[teal fossil]

ya you can have a macro to change your gear right as the pull starts

if someone else starts the log

you have like 0.1 seconds before you get pulled in combat

so you just gear swap

[dim basalt]

So basically impossible because boomkins and mages exist

Who pull at 3 already

[olive nest]

We almost never pull at 0 lmao

It’s always 1-2 seconds

[dim basalt]

Our shadow learned the hard way on Gally

But that took like 60 pulls

[olive nest]

It’s our lock and havoc

Every.. single.. time..

[dim basalt]

Our havoc as well yeah

Still happens sometimes

[dusk oriole]

Do yall sim with the default patchwerk option for raid?

[dim basalt]

wdym default patchwerk option or raid

[olive nest]

1T, 5minute, latest, optimal raid buffs, 75% thread uptime

[dusk oriole]

Mistyped "or"

[lean geode]

@tacit crystal @hollow plover @thick kelp @reef glade and anyone else I've mentioned this to previously, I opened a PR for the wowa arms SD duration bug but lead dev guy is on vacation so probs won't be merged for a few days

Turned out to be a really easy fix once I stopped XY problem-ing myself

[tacit crystal]

yw for help

[hollow plover]

Thank you king

[olive nest]

W

[balmy mural]

is it usual that warbraker and demolish doesnt allign

[lean geode]

🫡

[bronze tiger]

it treats Israel like a friend or else it gets the bunker buster again

https://tenor.com/view/buffalo-bill-silence-of-the-lambs-pose-gif-15439114

[void bay]

Where did he go on vacation?

[lean geode]

I didn't ask but AFAIK he's American so probably to a lake to light fireworks and shoot guns and fish all weekend

[void bay]

Ooooooh yeah....its 4th July tomo

[dim basalt]

what the fuck

[olive nest]

Amen

[bronze tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/god-bless-america-happy-4th-gif-26126342

[olive nest]

Where’s the yeti talking about booger sugar when you need em

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[bronze tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/wows-wolf-of-wall-street-gif-22980690

or columbian catapilars

[olive nest]

I love that damn yeti ai bro

It cracks me up every time

[bronze tiger]

i dont think ive seen it, you have it to send?

[olive nest]

Search “ai yeti” on tiktok

And viewer discretion, it is not sensitive content whatsoever

[shadow ibex]

i feel dumb cuz im not farming mounts or xmog

is there any crazy 2h transmog stuff like taeselach around still

idr any from DF or sl

[olive nest]

I still have to try for the taeselach

Idr any notable DF 2h mogs tbh

Oh wait the hammer from Dawn of the infinites

Tyrs hammer or whatever

Badass hammer model

[shadow ibex]

i got taeselach before i completed that tier xmog

still dont have the tier boots

[olive nest]

Think I’m missing legs from juggernaut set

Got the red scythe randomly that was kinda cool

[shadow ibex]

oh yea thats what i need

i fucked my war lockout on icc cuz i walked in on 10man and its shared i guess

shit was news to me

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-gif-25165846

[olive nest]

Speaking of that, apparently if you activate jaina skip you can’t go back to the rest of the bosses..

[mortal crag]

do we care about tclap?

at all

during opener

im checking farover's cbm log and his FIRST thunderclap was 45s in

any arms gamer?

[thick kelp]

huh

[mortal crag]

why does farover click tclap like

45s into the pull

do we just barely click tclap?

[thick kelp]

st or aoe or

[mortal crag]

aoe

BL pull cinderbrew

does warbreaker apply rend?

am i missing something?

[thick kelp]

no

u want rend on all

or most

[mortal crag]

does he simply not care about rend?

he does 21mil on that pull with no rend

[thick kelp]

Idk

is there like legit 0 rends on the dmg breakdown

sounds bad to not clap on pull gather

[olive nest]

He was probably more worried about getting his pre stacked collateral off properly or something

And forgot to tc until 45 seconds lol

[hexed snow]

I forgor 💀

[shadow ibex]

misplay

but doesnt matter cuz its not s3 and bleeds dont hurt

[plush smelt]

Generally a missplay but tclap only applies rend to 5 targets and first pull cinderbrew is very big so not pressing it isnt actually super punishing. Def shouldve pressed it to at least have it on the prio muscle but not the biggest deal ever

[mortal crag]

tryign to see if his opener is correct or not

[plush smelt]

Its farover, its probably correct. Can look at kurim too, i think he has vods

[mortal crag]

it seems he roars, sweeps rava

then ava+warb

[plush smelt]

Hmm ive seen like every variation of ava, wb, rava

I see some people rava last to maximize cleaves buffed by rava

Even tho it wastes a gcd of warb

[mortal crag]

i just followed the wowhead opener

roar ava+sweep+warb+rava

[plush smelt]

I generally do warb -> rava on multitarget

[mortal crag]

is the openerj ust not a big deal as long as i maximize warb with demolish?

[plush smelt]

And the inverse on st

[mortal crag]

he does rava>warb on aoe

TOP opener

[plush smelt]

Mm

Top is weird cause not a big pull

Does he do the same for mechagon/cunderbrew?

[mortal crag]

its an almost identical opener on cbm too

with no clep

[plush smelt]

Maybe its just a quirk then idk the only sense i can make of it is that hes maximizing warbreaker uptime

Which is fine

But i think on bigger pulls maximizing cleaves buffed by warb + rava is better but maybe im wrong

[mortal crag]

I DONT KNOW AAAA

[plush smelt]

@ancient scroll sorry for pinging you, but do you have an opinion on this?

[shadow ibex]

no reason not to tclap if u got sweep on a big pull this patch

it is bugged and applies to x10 targets

i can understand 5 i guess but meh even that i cant imagine its not worth global

[plush smelt]

And even if it isnt like

On cinderbrew the prio muscle has to die fast

And it def lives for a whole duration of rend

[shadow ibex]

probably just habit atp

i think that's more of statement about how bleeds arent a big deal atm

[plush smelt]

True

[shadow ibex]

next patch that would for sure be bad idea tho. 100% on bleeds is a lot of tier power budget u just not using

[plush smelt]

Prob same thing with ravager ava warb vs warb/ava rava

The difference is probably relatively minimal enough to not make the biggest difference in the world so long as your general rotation isnt wasteful

But idk

Im used to warb rava in Mt

[shadow ibex]

i rav before wb cuz the haste makes the buff shorter and muscle memory atp

[plush smelt]

Does it reslly?

Wtf is this game

[shadow ibex]

rav duration and thus mbg is affected by haste

shorter rav = shorter mbg

[plush smelt]

Really

Huh

[shadow ibex]

since it lasts as long as ravager is up

and ravager gets shorter with more haste

its not a flat duration like the bladestorm MBG where its a buff duration after BS ends

[plush smelt]

Wait thats wild i never thought about that for some reason i figured rava duration was constant

[shadow ibex]

nah nah

affected by haste just like BS

i think it has twice the duration of BS but irdr

its good that it is

its just mbg gets affected

12 second ravager if it wasnt

[plush smelt]

Actually wild ya ok

My peanut brain is expanding a bit

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-644083262021315255

you too are cursed with the knowledge of dumb warrior shit

[latent moss]

should wb->rava we simmed it

but top

[ancient scroll]

on whether you should press tclap in opener? Or which order you should press warbreaker/ravager?

[latent moss]

its only with mbg

[ancient scroll]

not always

you lose a stack of collat by pressing tclap during sweep anyways

so you dont wanna tclap during sweep imo

[plush smelt]

The 2nd one

Also big fan

[ancient scroll]

I think its about the same either way

I tried WB->Rav earlier in the season and it seemed a bit worse

but havent really properly tested it recently

[plush smelt]

Hmm ok

Ty btw :)

[ancient scroll]

WB -> Rav does seem logical to me tho, especially on big pulls

[plush smelt]

Someone said the haste from warb speeds up rava tho and therefore reduces your MBG buff

[ancient scroll]

I was thinking too it could make sense to specifically time your avatar press so the sweep you get from it ends right before MBG falls off

not sure if worth tho

[ancient scroll]

yea it does

[plush smelt]

So if thats the case then warb->rava is worse cause you lose MBG uptime and a gcd of warb

[plush smelt]

Sounds good to me, a 7-8 collat with mbg and warb seems good if yiu can line it up and it doesnt impede anything

[ancient scroll]

depends if you lose a full gcd from wb haste, but you do gain one gcd inside of MBG bc you press it second

[jolly goblet]

which item should i take? Pacemaker trinket? or Jastor diamond ring? both HC

[plush smelt]

Right which means 1-ish extra mbg+warb empowered cleaves

Which is kind of big in a big pull

[dim basalt]

The gcd only matters if it is actually Cleave

Otherwise WB into Rav is more dps

At higher mob counts

[plush smelt]

I think thats p much what we said

[dim basalt]

Didn't read all soz

[plush smelt]

No ur good king

[shadow ibex]

i figure 10 bleeds > 1 stack of CD if things live 16 or 18 seconds or w/e

[ancient scroll]

it doesnt always give 10 bleeds

usually its like 6 in my experience lol

no idea why

[shadow ibex]

thats true ive seen 7 and shit

wont matter in a few weeks when its patched but probably def gonna wanna tclap with 100% bleed dam

[ancient scroll]

yea prob

assuming it doesnt get nerfed lol

[shadow ibex]

really just uncap tclap so we dont have to measure if its worth 5 targets

[limpid lotus]

does the AOE opener change when you are using blademasters?

[short geyser]

new to arms and I'm looking at some top m+ logs. Why do guides say to do avatar -> sweep to overwrite sweep duration but top logs do sweep -> avatar? Is it just a fight duration or a target count thing?

[smoky kayak]

if you're talking about using Blademaster's Torment, it doesn't matter - the duration extends so you can do it in either order

you might make an argument for the half length GCD on sweep, but it doesn't make any practical difference

[short geyser]

oh understood, thanks. I must have picked up some bad info that avatar first made sweep duration shorter

[shadow ibex]

It used to end it premature

[snow flame]

gg

[lean geode]

Is that it?

[snow flame]

from the blue post yes

[lean geode]

Holy

Joever

[snow flame]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/2119874-ghosts-of-karesh-development-notes/

[lean geode]

I mean demolish is a good change but

Where's the rest of it

[snow flame]

Meanwhile mage

[dreamy sandal]

haha, but surely this can only mean that they are working up a rework?

[hexed saddle]

lol

[olive nest]

what a joke

[hexed snow]

follow this one

[unborn vessel]

are the tier set sim compare to current or "no tier set" ?

[shadow ibex]

It can't hit everything around us

Meanwhile everyone have a paragraph

[unkempt wren]

The dodge is both good and bad. At least the didn't kick us in the nuts

[shadow ibex]

@minor gust just go ret man

[halcyon valve]

fuckin finally fixed demolish

[hexed saddle]

yeah but like not really cause the damage still doesnt go off....

[dim basalt]

Theres no other explanation honestly

[shadow ibex]

we aren't getting a rework. we'd know about it

[dim basalt]

Nah

[mellow ore]

make warrior

[spiral coral]

Are we rioting?

Alright

I’m the reasonable one

But fuck this shit

Right? Idk it’s just fun to be mad sometimes

[stable fiber]

they didnt change balance druid

? ? ?

now how did that get skipped

also these changes make me think there will be a bigger one soon ngl

[steep osprey]

Because this isn't the week of the raid release

there are still a lot of weeks until the season launches

[slow saddle]

Warrior is fine

[stable fiber]

the dev note makes it seem like these are targetted at just changing the tier sets

[slow saddle]

🥲

[stable fiber]

which they somehow skipped over the thane one

[steep osprey]

Nobody should be expecting a warrior rework

Just tuning

You'll be disappointed

[stable fiber]

a rework will make the class worse

so

[steep osprey]

3 weeks now and they've forgot to buff the thane set

[stable fiber]

tiny adjustments

[steep osprey]

the literal worst set in the game

[slow saddle]

On a spec that needs all the help it can get🤣

[stable fiber]

skipped over balance druid and fury warrior

itll be changed

[steep osprey]

Maybe it wasn't included in the post?

the balance set

sometimes it's like that

[stable fiber]

these dev notes are targetted at changing old tier sets

mostly nerfs

since the old ones where pretty strong

[steep osprey]

Yeah, some of them were

like the MM one in aoe

that's why that one got destroyed

[stable fiber]

and most of the mage ones

[steep osprey]

I'm disappointed too but there are a lot of classes that didn't get any changes in this post

we're not the only ones

Did someone check ptr to see if there's any undocumented changes?

[dim basalt]

oi

[steep osprey]

maybe thane set was buffed

[dim basalt]

R6 on Sprocket

[shadow ibex]

schrodingers cope

[dim basalt]

On a mediocre pull

[steep osprey]

lmfao

[shadow ibex]

reaching new levels of cope

[steep osprey]

Crazy

[arctic iris]

Honestly I feel like the change makes it worse

Now you have to be hyper-vigilant to notice if mobs are out of range and if you should close the gap or let the channel finish because it's still hitting someone

As opposed to just knowing because the target left range

It's like Blizzard got a thirdhand report of "people don't like that Demolish stops dealing damage if the target leaves range" and thought that the channel cancelling was the problem and not the damage stop

[rigid ravine]

I mean I dont think I'd go as far as hyper-vigilant

[swift crown]

There is literally no reason for Demolish to not do damage when target moves out of range

ngl

[rigid ravine]

a bit more aware yeah but most of the time its the last hit on my demolish that ends up going out of range so the change is a big W for me

[arctic iris]

If there is, it's probably some kind of pvp thing but I don't care about pvp

[shadow ibex]

There's no reason it can't be around us there's no reason it has to root it's all stupid

[arctic iris]

If the target is going out of range, then the other mobs that would be hit by the AoE are presumably also out of range because they're all following the tank

[swift crown]

The last hit is all of the damage

The last hit not hitting is the same as Demolish wiffing completely

[rigid ravine]

yeah and its giga annoying when it happens

[swift crown]

And then they'll conveniently forget to make Demolish cancel the pull-in for the first intermission of the council boss

[arctic iris]

It should have, like, Eye Beam range once the channel starts

So you can outrange it but you'd have to get really far and it wouldn't happen because the tank moved unless they also gripped everything away

[severe crag]

Those are some disappointing ptr notes lol.

[olive nest]

indeed

[severe crag]

Might be a frost DK type of season.

I dont think we will ever get a rework 😦

Or at least give us like 2 lines of QoL

[arctic iris]

They can't afford to give us a rework, it would take too much time away from poor neglected mages

[shadow ibex]

yea fuck this noise lol

slam same talents for 2 years

[severe crag]

Feel like mage has gotten a rework of basically every part of their kit multiple times

[shadow ibex]

cant even get jug removed

i love the dev notes on mage

[severe crag]

Im convinced they just have absolutely no idea what to do with Warrior beyond prot lol

[shadow ibex]

we've recieved feedback that frost aoe is cluttered

lmao

so is the feedback about jug being toxic gameplay just not getting to them

no one enjoys it

cant even get some talent variety

[severe crag]

Changing Juggernaut and removing the timer on Collateral Damage would do so much for my enjoyment of the class.

[arctic iris]

I don't think they know what to do with prot, either

Look at the spell block "replacement"

[severe crag]

at least they're trying

Still think it can be saved.

Arms and Fury are just being poked with a stick

wondering if anyone is still left playing the class

[dim basalt]

Idk they need to give a proper spell block replacement

Even if its just some passive spell block like ppal has

[silent valve]

So basically demolish does not get canceled unless the target tp's away

[olive nest]

ye but can still miss the damage if you dont leap quick enough

[severe crag]

TBH They should just tie Spell Block into SB. Let every new cast of SB give us 1-2 counters that blocks a single spell or something.

[shadow ibex]

its really telling how fuckin outdated this whole class is where they still trying to solve problems from classic

that every other class has solutions for