arms

[minor gust]

now that bleeds do strong dmg I like arterial just because it provides aoe and ST value vs OAM just being for cleave.

[tacit crystal]

surely soa is worth having

[minor gust]

over sks no

[olive nest]

More boss damage vs second bb?

Probably easy sim

[minor gust]

SKS is a massive gain now cuz tier. and the logic stands trading a ST talent for another way better ST/Prio talent

[minor gust]

second BB is more boss dmg

[tacit crystal]

only kinda aids part of build

we have to make sure we have rend on everything

[minor gust]

is indeed the most aids part if only we had a sick talent that would press TC for me when I consumed SD procs

[olive nest]

Does tc smart target for rend applications?

[minor gust]

no

[olive nest]

That’s great

[latent moss]

acting like bb

doesnt contribute to st

with sks and arterial bleed and tierset

bleeds are 2nd highest source of damage on st

combined

[tacit crystal]

lol

[latent moss]

rend+dw

[tacit crystal]

i need some girl to inflict deep wounds on my heart

🥀

[latent moss]

just numbers thing and i cba logging in to grab my simc

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-zyzz-question-marks-zyzz-not-understand-gif-24672650

[tacit crystal]

cro do you agree

[olive nest]

Ye I’m saying between SoA & bb I’d be surprised if SoA did more boss damage and would be easy to sim it

[latent moss]

watch out for the deeper wounds 🥀

[tacit crystal]

[latent moss]

oh i cant read

unlucky

[olive nest]

Bleed season sounding fun

Let’s gooo

[tacit crystal]

revert old roar passive

make our bleeds do more damage all the time

[flint plank]

I like it though, I`d consider doing 2x bloodborne and drop SoA

[minor gust]

[olive nest]

[minor gust]

bleeds are shit it just sounds fun cuz were doing more dmg than last season

[olive nest]

[regal dragon]

Arms owning next season?

[dim basalt]

no

[latent moss]

soa is 100k

more

on st

[minor gust]

thats absolutely nothing hooray

[dim basalt]

Imagine a season where warrior warlock and rogue are good at the same time

[latent moss]

just need a season where warrior is good

assa always just appears out of nowhere with some busted bs

warlocks are always "b tier"

[dim basalt]

Sure but all 3 classes have been eating shit for some time

[minor gust]

yeah rogue is totally not good or anything at all right now

[dim basalt]

Eh

Outlaw and assa do fine in M+ but still have issues

In raid that class is just dog

And we are just talking dps, not gameplay issues

[minor gust]

if its just dps outlaw and assa are more than fine in M+

they are both great

[latent moss]

outlaw shits on arms

in pure dps

[dim basalt]

Lots of specs shit on us

[minor gust]

all im tryna see in the phys comp rogue has amazing dmg to back up its spot

warrior is there for battle shout

[latent moss]

could it be the 5t soft cap on cleave for whatever reason

[candid pecan]

dont worry

tuning tonight/tomorrow

[latent moss]

:cluegi:

[dim basalt]

Also helps that warrior is just really tanky and doesnt need healer attention tbh

[regal dragon]

big sad

[dim basalt]

Tho I guess there isnt really any class that could replace war

[zinc lotus]

Is there a Reason the Arms Guide for AoE, tells me to use Ava after i use Thunderous Roar, wouldn´t i miss out on some bleed dmg from the roar?

[minor gust]

in the phys comp no Bshout adds a lot to it

[dim basalt]

Not like a lot of specs do phys damage nowadays

[minor gust]

Bshout isnt phys dmg

its AP

[dim basalt]

Im aware

[tacit crystal]

roar initial hit doesnt do damage

[olive nest]

Using the global inside of Ava does less damage than what another global could provide

[tacit crystal]

the dot is why you press it

[zinc lotus]

Yeah what i though thank you, was confused cause with Ava the bleed would tic with like 101k and without about 86k

[olive nest]

It dynamically adjusts

[regal dragon]

i hope we are atleast decent in boss damage next season

[olive nest]

We do good boss damage now?

Or you mean M+

Still decent

Just outclassed

[regal dragon]

I know im hoping that stays

i miss worded my sentence lol

[candid pecan]

we do "gooder" boss dmg now compared to season 2

[regal dragon]

my bad

[regal dragon]

we must zug zug harder

[dim basalt]

Increased SD proc chance but still not good enough for 100% jugg uptime yay

[olive nest]

Less think more Zug

[regal dragon]

always zug

[olive nest]

Zugulation 2:1

[dim basalt]

What are your predictions what boss will be the first wall

[olive nest]

Forgeweaver probably

[dim basalt]

[olive nest]

Or fractillus

[dim basalt]

I would be surprised if its not Fractillus

[olive nest]

Soul hunters would be no doubt because it’s just mechanic vomit all over the screen

But it’s “optional”

[dim basalt]

Im not sure if theyd be that hard

I imagine that theres not a lot of variance from pull to pull

[tacit crystal]

why doesnt this collectors event boost amirdrassil

i want my owl

NOW

[regal dragon]

maybe i can finally get the blue proto drake

wait does collectors bounty also work on the two handed rare drop from Legion??

[latent moss]

are there good 1:30 trinkets

next season

idk dung pool

[dire hinge]

im on mobile so hard to see CDs but iirc these are dungeon trinkets

[latent moss]

ye so just sacbrood pacemaker perma

unlucky

i remember ticking sack was pretty cracked

or that prism but idk about the prism in m+

if u dont get a stack in combat might have to send weaker cds and it has no stats at all

[tacit crystal]

we have the str spyma

🙂

[olive nest]

We have Crit on use from HoA

Surely that’s the play

[regal dragon]

oh god Ara Kara and Floodgate?

[olive nest]

3 dungeon prisons this tier let’s goooo

[void bay]

Did they change M+ to just give cosmetics yet

[eager sigil]

surely m+ mains would still love keys if they didnt get gear from it

[void bay]

They can get a nice exclusive horse for their +15 or whatever and I wont have to bother with that shit

[dim basalt]

I mean, anyone would tbh

[olive nest]

Quite literally the counter argument to mythic raid being only cosmetic

😂

[real birch]

Here for discussion again x:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9ndE7RggPkdYUXqxk5Jdwb
Would you by the HoC or Locknstalk?
Bloodmallet would say HoC. Sim says locknstalk but I guess I can further optimize the gems for around .5% better sim - which prob. changes the best trinket for me then.

[dim basalt]

HoC instead of eye

[real birch]

Ah so you would buy Hoc and then equip it with the pacemaker/locknstalk (HC)?

[dim basalt]

ye

eye is pretty worthless in raid

[real birch]

Oh ok I thoughts is quiet good

[olive nest]

It’s good on mythic gally that’s pretty much it

[real birch]

Ah ok. Thats the "next" boss we are going for.

[olive nest]

18% total raid buff this week almost every boss will be sub 5 minutes

Eye wants 5+ minute fight length

Great prog trinket though for mythic gally

[real birch]

Ty 4 explaining.

[bronze tiger]

18% raid buff?

on top of the one we already have?

[real birch]

Nah just the next +% buff through renown next reset

[olive nest]

Total*

[bronze tiger]

ahhhh got it

[wind flicker]

Anyone got a spell reflect announce wa that works?

[finite grotto]

Warrior, shaman, or hunter guys help

[bronze tiger]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

in the faq

[hexed snow]

I think he wanted one where it announces as in does a /say

I sent him one in DM

[bronze tiger]

ah so your group doesnt kick lol

he wants that extra damage

[hexed snow]

👍

[bronze tiger]

can you send it to me to pls

[hexed snow]

Yes check DM

[bronze tiger]

ty ❤️

[hexed snow]

All good! Check if load is on, think I have it disabled right now or "Never" is ticked on

[shadow ibex]

these trading post 2h are a lot smaller than i was expecting

[gaunt owl]

thats what your mom said

oh shit

[shadow ibex]

Man you don't even play warrior anymore

[spiral coral]

Meanwhile I’m gearing my 3rd

[gaunt owl]

i choose to stop suffering

and uninstalled it was faster 😄

[spiral coral]

Suffering is a bit, much.

Ive used this time ways and turbo boost to play pretty much every spec, Arms is still my favorite. I’ll die on the hill of “Arms is fun.”

[gaunt owl]

Arms can be even more fun

[spiral coral]

100%

[gaunt owl]

we waiting for so long for some big changes but TWW wasnt it yet

[spiral coral]

I’m not playing colossus next season if it’s pretty much the same like archi was saying

Gonna be a slayer boy

[shadow ibex]

I'm bout done

Playing same raid spec for a whole expac

So we can watch them pat themselves on the back about being happy with warrior

[dim basalt]

Same here

And I can't reroll back to hunter because we have 3 lol

I mean staff would prob let me do it and make one of the others reroll but that's nasty

[formal verge]

Best positive change we got for tww has been arms not being squishy af as it was in df

[charred brook]

I don’t wanna play col if I have to play ss

[lean geode]

@uncut shard Is there a reason you don't insta send exe on 3xMFE in these logs? Cauldron and Sprocket

I'm trying to fix arms wowa shit and now I'm worried that I'm being dumb

Also if anyone has any logs where they know they delayed SD to perfection (preferably with a vod to go with it) can you send them to me so I can test the fix?

[tacit crystal]

erm

im not saying im tmy

but i think i do it

@lean geode

[lean geode]

I'm using a very loose definition of perfection

if you vaguely attempted to delay SD that's probably fine

Sending with like 3 or fewer seconds on your 1 stack

[tacit crystal]

no i greed it to last global bud

[lean geode]

Do you have a vod as well I can cross check

[tacit crystal]

where post

[lean geode]

The problem is the log events themselves so otherwise I have to calculate the duration manually

[silver cloak]

at how many stacks of collateral damage should i use cleave in st

[south beacon]

Anyone know where this vendor is for the hellfire shards

[shadow ibex]

in dorngal near the forge ish

i just typed /target his name

[warped idol]

thanks to that week that rep got bugged im out of my 18% buff

lmaooo

good shit blizz

[warm fog]

Towards the front near the stable guy, you fly over him when you go to the dummies

[warped idol]

this recolor is fire tbh

i really like it

[warm fog]

Yeah it’s legit

Like it better than 20th anv

[sick leaf]

hey guys, running 17 rook - second boss... i get void thing like 4 times in a row. how tf do you survive? i just melt

[balmy kindle]

You have to pass the thing to other members without stacking the debuff

[analog smelt]

is it rng to be able to hit 2 or 3 mortal strike in a row?

sometimes i can do that but sometimes its usually just 1 time

[analog smelt]

ah i see

they should totally buff that to 50% hehehe

[shadow ibex]

you playin mop?

experience the mop fury

[minor gust]

I will yeah

got a warrior to 85 havent really geared it yet been playing other games

[shadow ibex]

im kind of tempted to but i have 0 classic chars

just at least until .2

[spiral coral]

Dstance

Get debuff, dstance, give it off, switch back, rinse and repeat

Surprised you got to 17 without doing this tbh

[hardy olive]

first goblin loot

[balmy kindle]

Not surprised, Colo is absurdly tanky and with all the borrowed power, we are pretty invincible in lower keys

[magic canopy]

even in 19s i dont really need to dstance outside of situations where i have nothing left

[boreal hawk]

is better lens or hoc (myth) for u? hoc sims like 0.5% more , but idk maybe lens stat boost are better? idk what to use ngl

[magic canopy]

i prefer house

its close to lens but lens is also rng stat

[boreal hawk]

i just got myth hoc but i always liked lens on my arms, currently as i said only sims 0.5 to 0.6 higher...idk... xD

[magic canopy]

tbh idk whats actually better at higher target caps

[dim basalt]

HoC should be more consistent in aoe no?

[thick kelp]

Yeah mastery gains value on aoe

[simple lintel]

Hey, how important is weapon damage? I got Crashing Thunderhammer in vault with a top weapon damage of 17.5 k, simming it vs Dessias which is very similar that has 21 k. Other than that the stats are very similar. (Crashing Thunderhammer has a higher min weapon damage)

Sim says they are about equal, but since arms is so crit dependent, does weapon damage matter?

[eager sigil]

weapon types dont matter

its all normalized

[quaint otter]

Weapon damage matters the most

[eager sigil]

ilvl does

[quaint otter]

Ah min damage is shit

The dps is a thing

[simple lintel]

Yeah I'm mainly thinking about the weapon damage ranges, the sim places them equal, but I think it's the vanilla mindset of "higher max weapon damage == bigger crits"

[quaint otter]

Scales with ilvl

[stable fiber]

the vanilla mindset is wrong because everything is normalized now, you wanted slower weapons in vanilla because abilities didnt have to go by the rules of a weapon also being slower, so your abilities benefitted greatly when a weapon was slower since it would take the damage done by the weapon but apply it to a non swing timer based instance of damage

this isnt how it works anymore now though, it is normalized based off the dps number while your auto attacks fall in the range of "10,164 - 21,111 damage"

which amongst 2 equal ilvl weapons even with slower speeds and different damage ranges, will never have a affect on your dps positively or negatively

all of that also applies to crits and stuff

[tacit crystal]

yep fury is for noobers

[simple lintel]

Thank you for the great explanation. New weapon it is 👍

[stable fiber]

weapon you really only care about ilvl

unless there is a cantrip weapon that is better (gally and oab weapon being filling that criteria)

[wet slate]

Quick question, as a Prot Warrior in M+, I'm gonna have to dps the raid, is Arms better than Fury?

[quaint otter]

They're close now...

[odd crest]

Arms and prot like the same stats so if you gear for prot with haste/crit your arms should do mire dps than your fury spec

[wet slate]

Sick! I'll do Arms, then, if that's the case 😄 Thanks!!

[mental flower]

hey quick question!

when do u use Best-in-Slots active as Arms when using House of Cards?

On CD or align it with CS?

[thick kelp]

HoC with Avatar, BIS on CD

[wind flicker]

Walhe

Im 100% sure you tested this

How is the lineup for collat

I barely did any research this season, came back a few weeks ago.

[worthy mortar]

any way to fix 2499/2500 gallagio rep bug?

[lunar remnant]

Do you think we still need class buffs with the tier new sets?

[sick leaf]

I typically would just just pop defensive and give it off. Not sure I’ve ever gotten it so many times in a row which is what destroyed me. I actually haven’t had to use dstance, but I guess now I do

[fresh spire]

Comparing fury max potential to arms maybe. Depends if blizzard wants nunbers closer to arms or fury

[uncut shard]

i just press button

[swift crown]

Press button harder

Tophifee

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-nose-poke-capy-coconut-gif-1974646734566907144

[golden smelt]

100% were falling far behind in M+ from the testing I've done so far on PTR

[spiral coral]

Yeah you’ll be fine, save your defensives/pots for usually like the 3rd or 4th time getting it. Usually the healer is spent and close to oom near the end of the fight and is likely focusing on keeping the tank up more than anything.

They should be focusing the person who has it, but, ya know.

So just dstance dance and then whatever else you need and you’ll get it

[wanton sierra]

there is a bunch of those capivaras here in my region, they are docil and sweet... sometimes we need to stop the car coz they are laid on the road xD

[spiral coral]

Capybaras are so awesome

Definitely going to look into getting some when I retire lol

And peacocks

Super easy to take care of, basically chickens

My kid is 10 today

Where did the time go ffs

[wanton sierra]

yes, here in Brasil we got tons of em! and bunch of other animals... when ppl in canada need to wear bear spray, here we need to pay attention... my gf and i was hiking, and then we found an kitty cat lay down... when she said "come here kitty kitty" the cat got up and then we noticed that he was all muscular, it was an Jaguatirica (its an kind of wild cat, leopard family i guess) we run our hearts out xD very scary and dangerous

[wanton sierra]

happy birthday!! take him to get some pizza!! ❤️

[void bay]

Swap the kid for a capybara, like a quest in an RPG

[stable wraith]

Hello,

I haven't played wow since 2017, I'm starting again on my war arms, can you advise me which addons to download please?

[spiral coral]

Her names Matilda, for Warrior 💪

[spiral coral]

This is really subjective at this point, unless you’re like playing Slayer and need the WA for execute add ons are generally up to the person

I only have like, 4 or 5 add ons max. Details, decursive, some bag add on, bartender, and Weak Aura for trackers for whatever spec I’m playing if I need it

Oh yeah DBM, and BigWigs

For boss fights and m+ but I have all the Audio queues turned off so I forget I have them at this point

[stable wraith]

Thank you very much for your answers. Could you please tell me the names of the addons you use in addition to Matilda to download the basics? I'm really starting from 0 and I don't have any more knowledge ...

[olive nest]

Try to keep your UI as light weight as possible

[stable wraith]

ok thanks

[olive nest]

Details, big wigs, plater, weakauras,
(Optional: uuf, omnicd)

[spiral coral]

Oh shit forgot about omnicd

[olive nest]

Takes a little effort to configure yourself but you’ll have +100fps versus the full ui packages that go with elvui

[spiral coral]

And plater 🤦‍♂️

Omg how many addons do I use that have become so standard I forgot about lol

[thick kelp]

Omnicd is certainly not mandatory xdd

[rare kite]

what's uuf?

[spiral coral]

Absolutely not but for m+ its pretty goated

[thick kelp]

unhalted unit frames

[spiral coral]

To see what ppls interrupts are up

[thick kelp]

lightweight unit frame addon

[spiral coral]

Better than SUF?

[thick kelp]

Miles ahead

of suf

[spiral coral]

Bet

[rare kite]

hmh i'll check it out. been using base since they introduced the new one in dragonflight

[olive nest]

It’s not mandatory I agree but it’s lightweight and displays useful information

Weakauras could just provide the same thing as omnicd but omnicd is all in one and fairly easy to configure

[stable wraith]

thank you i downloaded everything but i can't find “matilda”, does it exist?

[olive nest]

I don’t even know what that is lol

[latent moss]

same dev

iirc

[olive nest]

Made omnicd optional so walhe happier

[fresh spire]

[latent moss]

ye it is the same dev

[thick kelp]

Matilda was the kid they were talking about before your message

[latent moss]

uuf was cool back when i tried it

it was still in giga beta

[thick kelp]

But paying attention and reading is optional here

[thick kelp]

Full release now

[latent moss]

does uuf have anchoring now

[thick kelp]

and Fragnance has a very cool profile now

[latent moss]

anchoring was the only thing keeping me away

wanted to anchor player and target frame to wa

[thick kelp]

like anchoring WA's to the frames or what

[latent moss]

other way around but ye

[thick kelp]

ye

should work now

[latent moss]

based

good addon

uuf is what an addon should be

[thick kelp]

I had pots + extra shits ancored to UUF_Player and UUF_Target

[latent moss]

does what it says and nothing more

[olive nest]

It’s skinned similar to elvui right just significantly less impactful on fps?

[latent moss]

its frames

elvui has

[thick kelp]

yes

[latent moss]

3289572305230238923958239

features

[thick kelp]

but its only unitframes

vs what cone said about elfui

[olive nest]

Right right

[latent moss]

elvui is so overkill for everyone legit

people use elvui for ui skin and bars and frames

[thick kelp]

Elvui is one of those addons where you literally dont install anything else on top

[latent moss]

yep

[olive nest]

It honestly is I’m making the swap to what I listed above myself

[latent moss]

thats how i used to play

[olive nest]

And just using atrocity weakaura package for warrior

lol

[latent moss]

i put action bar1 split it into 2 rows and put it in the middle of the screen

added some wa trackers

[scenic umbra]

wow ui and some random WA for the win

[olive nest]

Actually might use tmy weakaura

[scenic umbra]

elv ui it so 2015

[olive nest]

Because that’s plus 100 dps

Ez

[latent moss]

i would

its better

atrocity wa feels like he doesnt play warrior idk

still no unhinged tracker iirc

[thick kelp]

atrocity is giga meh for warriors

need to add alot of shit and remove alot of bloat

[latent moss]

tracking way too much as well

and then not tracking a bunch as well

[olive nest]

Yeah probably swap to tmy, I currently use Naowhs

[latent moss]

hoooly

[latent moss]

wallife ahh

[olive nest]

Naowhs is actually pretty good just had to re arrange icons to my liking and add some load unload conditions to help maintain the order I like based on spec/talents

For fury though it has way to much glow on every ability lmao

[tacit crystal]

where is tmy ui

[olive nest]

Had it disable some of the conditions

[latent moss]

idk wallife pov is so hard to watch

giga cluttered

[tacit crystal]

where is it

[thick kelp]

warbreaker

and its Fragnance UI

[olive nest]

Yeah tmy has a whole ui you can get

[thick kelp]

• his own public warrior WA pack

[olive nest]

That’s not fragnance that’s all tmys

[latent moss]

whats the rampage one or whatever

i heard its tech

[tacit crystal]

erm

[thick kelp]

its big tech

[tacit crystal]

what is fragnance

[thick kelp]

jmy

[latent moss]

u smell good

[thick kelp]

the guy from method

[olive nest]

A scent

[latent moss]

na ahh statement

[strange perch]

joshua

[thick kelp]

🤫

[latent moss]

whats the tech

rampage wa

quick response rampage

sounds like some tech product

[thick kelp]

idk download it and see

vozochris made it

[latent moss]

🐐

[strange perch]

vozochris my goat

[latent moss]

@dull siren whats the quick response rampage tech

i dont have sub cba

waiting for patch

[thick kelp]

the packs free btw

[latent moss]

ye ik but i dont have sub cant test

[tacit crystal]

idk

[latent moss]

ptr is perma bugged for me

[tacit crystal]

i just like stealing aui

[latent moss]

cba testing it there

[rare kite]

good dh player

[strange perch]

he just smiled and gave a vegemite sandwich

[latent moss]

hooooly lore

[latent moss]

good might be an understatement

[rare kite]

yeahh pretty decent dh player

wallife pretty decent warrior player as well

[tacit crystal]

only dh player ik

is verb

[dull siren]

rat ping

[tacit crystal]

@dull siren

[dull siren]

?

[latent moss]

weakaura

quick response from vozochris

what did he cook

sounds like tech

[dull siren]

you want icon or bar

[latent moss]

what does it do

[thick kelp]

He wants to know how it works

[latent moss]

it has a cool name

[dull siren]

oh

well blizzard made so WW gets triggered on last tick of Rampage

[thick kelp]

Stating obvious here

[dull siren]

so the WA is custom to response to the Rampage press

[latent moss]

ah

[thick kelp]

Just put the custom code in the bag

[rare kite]

how come you know verb and not like nicememes or frag? very weird to me

[thick kelp]

Verb played dk this season

Gio learned DK this season

[latent moss]

this

is so annoying

[thick kelp]

Verb is 4k io, gio wants to be 3k io

[tacit crystal]

met him in ptr

[latent moss]

when i come back i will grab this wa for sure

[dull siren]

yes

[tacit crystal]

???????????

walhe

im 3569

[rare kite]

makes sense

[dull siren]

I like the bar tho took some brain to make it work me and vozo spent some time in a call together

[olive nest]

Bar is better

Agree

[dull siren]

It's using Tick Functions

[latent moss]

flintstones ahh

ye bars are way more complex

[dull siren]

It also resizes with everything

so we had to make it 1 bar then make each tick into 1 section

for the instant response for rampage

[latent moss]

ye

i remember doing combo points for rogue

hooly

[dull siren]

the bar just goes hard tho

better than icon tracking (personal take) gg

[thick kelp]

rare tmy W

[dull siren]

???

[olive nest]

Bar is easier to track than icon with small number text

[latent moss]

why track exe on the bar

i like it in the middle like aui

or a bit to the side i forgor

why do u track rampage

[celest forge]

Isn't this just cooldown manager?

[latent moss]

no

[celest forge]

Looks like it

[latent moss]

weakaura

[olive nest]

It’s a Weakaura suite

All in one

[dull siren]

Execute only tracked on Slayer

[latent moss]

ah

fair

[thick kelp]

If only the default CD suite looked like this

[dull siren]

Rampage is just there cus I was lazy to fix the rage bar

recolor when usable

[latent moss]

typical tmy

[olive nest]

Can’t believe no slam icon between rampage and execute

[dull siren]

I fixed swing tracker to recolor when Wild Strikes procced

one bar fixed at least

[latent moss]

typical

mf will sit in a call

make a wa that makes ur ww stack expire 1s faster

but wont make a simple condition

if rage >80 green or w/e color

[dull siren]

The simple things r the annoying things

[olive nest]

Well I mean, I like to have the icons in the top row left to right match my 1-5 binds

So works for me

[dull siren]

Doing a bunch of mount runs rn

WA's have to wait

[olive nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965371616269848578/1389890862049398915/image.png?ex=6866443c&is=6864f2bc&hm=e7577600711cd2dff6467d9b2af383394c5536e9a69aadf6d1be906c93e3b62a&

[thick kelp]

Garroshgodx

[olive nest]

#Garroshgodx

[nova marsh]

Only wow players would do this

[olive nest]

Indeed

[nova marsh]

Wow players want you to have your entire bloodline farming them mounts and not get any of them before the heat death of the universe because "the pixels are sooo prestigious!"

[olive nest]

Tbf the game does kinda lack prestige these days

[nova marsh]

Im kinda over that shit at this point

But maybe its because im a filthy casual heroic raider who barely got 3k this season

So I wouldn't get it

[olive nest]

Like you can commit 5-6 days a week of your life for 6 weeks straight to get hall of fame and then others just buy a spot with 40 mill or some shit

Same with .1% title and glad in pvp

[olive nest]

I feel ya though it’s kinda whatever

[nova marsh]

I've heard people quit the game because mounts were made slightly more obtainable

[olive nest]

Yeah I think people over react like it’s still rng at the end of the day

Some people farmed icc for 10 years every week

And some got it in 1 try

[spiral coral]

There’s people like that. Same if wow releases a color of armor that was only unlocked for a certain achievement/time.

If they made old pvp colors available for PvE players omg the riot

[warm fog]

Invincible is an ugly mount truth hurts

[nova marsh]

Ur not even wrong

[olive nest]

It actually is

I agree

[nova marsh]

I wonna day you are but its undead so its automatically ugly

And its from wrath

[olive nest]

TLPD is the true wotlk end game mount

Before people started selling tags

[nova marsh]

Mimirons head is the only good looking wrath mount omo

[spiral coral]

I love old textures and weird/shitty designs they did back then we thought were cool

[olive nest]

Still don’t have mimron!! 😡

[warm fog]

And that’s because of the novelty value, there was no other one like it

[spiral coral]

But I think osrs bosses and armor look cool so don’t mind me lmao

[nova marsh]

And the lore value is cool

[olive nest]

Bro RuneScape art and appearances are good though

[spiral coral]

Yup

[olive nest]

It’s a style you either like or don’t

I get it

[warm fog]

People get weird about mounts

[spiral coral]

Very heartfelt

[nova marsh]

Its transnog too

I saw people angry about tusks during remix

[warm fog]

I forgot I had the og arctic wolf form before they changed the graphics

And took it out in dorn

One guy lost his mind

[spiral coral]

Everytime they make another quest I have to go back and get my cape back then leave the game lol

Best storytelling of any game, ever

Imo

[olive nest]

I’m close to quest cape needed a few runecrafting levels iirc

Haven’t logged into osrs for probably 5 years?

I’m sure I have more to do now

[spiral coral]

Desert Treasure 2 was like, the best. I can’t recapture that with any other game.

[spiral coral]

yeah a whole region has been added since then

[plush smelt]

I used to be a major osrs addict

Maxed acnt, nearly maxed ironman

[nova marsh]

I tried to get into runescape but couldn't

[plush smelt]

Gross amounts of pve done

[nova marsh]

Which is weird since I love mmos

[spiral coral]

Yeah I was just a quest person

Got a few 99s

[plush smelt]

But eventually i fell out of love with the game so i quit

Rs3 has some really good storytelling tho

[olive nest]

I did the blue dragon for a little bit

[plush smelt]

Imo

[olive nest]

Volkorath or whatever

[plush smelt]

Vorkath

[olive nest]

Was never huge bosser

[spiral coral]

I’ve never been more sad in a game when I finished the last quest in osrs, I was like “tf do I do now, hit a tree for 100+ hours?”

[olive nest]

I liked to do the “afk” farms

Also really like fist of guthix before that got removed

Clan wars was sick too

[spiral coral]

I think the wow community playing osrs now is really funny and great for both communities

[plush smelt]

Idk i was addicted to raids on my main for a bit, then finished maxing, then gp didnt matter to me anymore so i made sn ironman and every little upgrade gave me a massive dopamine hit

[spiral coral]

Soda Poppin dying to dark wizards was peak

[plush smelt]

Im happy the game is doing well but i never see myself playing it again

Ive got trauma now

[spiral coral]

Yeah I couldn’t

They’re all hoping for sailing to hit

[plush smelt]

See idk about sailing

I think the game needed a new skill to grow more

[olive nest]

Sailing does not look appealing to me whatsoever

[plush smelt]

But like in rs3 sailing is basically a minigame

And it does p much all the things osrs sailing does minus the actual sailing portion. You hire crew, build ships, send them out, experience stories in a new area, visit islands with special resources and mobs

Its called uh

Player owned Ports i think

[wispy field]

hey how do u use BIS?

[olive nest]

I macro it to colossus smash and forget about it

But you use it on cooldown after on use trinkets

[shadow ibex]

Soon we will be free from bis

[olive nest]

I can’t wait for that tbh

Juggling overlapping on use effects is definitely an annoyance lol

[rare kite]

just don't use an on use trinket. bingchilling

[lethal acorn]

^

[fading ether]

Ye right name. It’s literally just what we had though, the daily mission table stuff

[plush smelt]

I remember the poll they did at the time for the new skill

It was sailing, taming, and shaman-ing(?)

Something like that

Taming was vanilla af and boring just osrs summoning but watered down

The shaman stuff was the most out there idea they pitched but i felt like had the capacity to do the most snd be an integrated skill

Sailing was a safr middle

But idk i think people are too judgey saying shit like “thus skill can be a minigame!”

Like brother theres like 4 skills that are just minigames now

[sly haven]

do arms use jastor ring

[eager sigil]

yes

[olive nest]

Rik neck, jastor ring + high crit low haste oab ring

Mmm

I need that roulette ring to roll the correct stats!!

[eager sigil]

just get cauldron ring

[olive nest]

I have it

I want to do front flips

[eager sigil]

fair

[olive nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fwwNRdFapYkXbxAyZehfTs

[crude hull]

I take it Demolish is still kinda of trashy for raid fights?

[olive nest]

Live patch it’s behind slayer yeah

[crude hull]

Sad. It's a ton more fun, shame to see Slayer is still pulling ahead despite how boringly braindead it is

[stable fiber]

i think you will play it more next raid

fights seem very good for colossus

[crude hull]

That's amazing news

[stable fiber]

thats feelscraft of a single ptr raid though

but it did feel a lot better to play

[crude hull]

Honestly I might just go Colossus anyway, I'm so sick and tired of Slayer and how little it changes

[hexed snow]

https://tenor.com/view/dislike-gif-11920712669198427724

Colossus

https://tenor.com/view/ronald-thumbs-up-gif-25808166

Slayer

[crude hull]

Slayer's just so... boring?

[hexed snow]

Me execute

[crude hull]

Don't get me wrong it was my first pick too but it just

[hexed snow]

Me jugg

[crude hull]

Doesn't do much

[hexed snow]

I clicked demolish but my tanked moved 5 yrds

[stable fiber]

if ur fucking this up still its on you ngl

[smoky kayak]

tbf they have to pull more than 5 yards for it to fail

[hexed snow]

issa meem

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914508501697576990/1314542204722741248/caption.gif

[smoky kayak]

but I agree that is the worst part of demo atm

Tier doesn't really do a whole lot to Colossus gameplay except add SkS (which could be good or bad depending on how much you like it), but Slayer is a little more exciting due to the increased SD procs and priority

[shadow ibex]

Nah its pretty shitty to have your hero spec cast cancel in any scenario

Especially when it isn't like we are dealing many more times dmg than any other spec that doesn't have such gameplay

[crude hull]

I just feel like Slayer, while very strong, is also kinda bland. No new abilities, nothing really shiny or cool (despite all of the talents being useful and upgrades, obv)

[shadow ibex]

If there was a risk reward angle they might have a case but the reward is being a dps class in wow

[hexed snow]

Im excied for slayer

[smoky kayak]

This is always a popular idea, but doesn't really work in practice; you can't balance very well around a risk of failure that's dependent on group-skill rather than RNG

[crude hull]

I kinda miss the times when big number crits still made me tingle and warriors were these unstoppable powerhouses. And not just.. idk, homogenized ability animations and a kinda watered down class identity

[smoky kayak]

I mean... Warriors definitely have big number crits, that's one of Arms (esp Colossus') main shticks

and I don't think the class identity has been watered down at all, if anything it's just always been kind of bland

[crude hull]

Myeah

I'll give Colossus a go, see if that makes me interested again. But I wish they'd be a little more inventive with warriors

[smoky kayak]

when people say things like that, it more often reads as "I miss when Warrior was overpowered" rather than any actual complaint with theme, mehcanics, or design... which is fine, but you can't always expect to be the top dog in a game with so many varied classes and specs so

just kinda something you gotta learn to live with

I came to terms with it a long time ago, and so I just... play while I enjoy playing, and don't when I don't

[crude hull]

Oh nah I played Warrior back in vanilla, I just liked plate and big weapons. It was a struggle but it was great when MS crit and you just destroyed something

Surely I like to be competitive in raids but

Idk I guess warrior has started to lose that amazing thing it once had

[dim basalt]

I mean, we still have that part

[crude hull]

(I'd happily steal a bunch of abilities and animations from other games. Diablo, GW2, FF14, Darksiders...)

[smoky kayak]

yeah idk, I mean vanilla was a very different game - MS might have felt more impactful becuase you spent 90% of your time just auto attacking, but I don't really think that's an improvement over being able to... you know, press buttons

[crude hull]

Oh you're 100% right

[smoky kayak]

but that paradigm also changed with TBC, so I wouldn't say that Warrior has "started" to lose it when it's like... 20 years removed at this point

[hexed snow]

Wanna spam execute

[crude hull]

But I do feel like every class has sped up by a lot over the years to the point where it's all just "spam abilities"

[smoky kayak]

this is true

[crude hull]

I'd happily press half the buttons of it meant MS hit twice as hard

[smoky kayak]

ironically they repeatedly tried to make Arms a slow spec, but players hated it every time

[crude hull]

I'm probably an outlier there ngl

[smoky kayak]

literally every single time they tried it, it was panned so hard that they spent the rest of the expansion slowly speeding it back up

I get the intent, but it's something that's really hard to make feel satisfying

[crude hull]

I tend to look at it like playing something like a heavy gunner or using a big gun in other games. Low rate of fire, but landing a shot tears things a new hole

[smoky kayak]

it's other failures aside, I think demo does a pretty decent job of it (that longer cast in exchange for a big hit), and Devoker does it pretty well too

Yeah, I think it's just hard to make that feel good as a melee

with casters, it's easier because you have that cast bar right - even though you're still not doing anything, you get a sense of feedback that something is happening or being built up to

whereas a "slow" melee doesn't have that sense of feedback, you're just sitting there waiting for auto attack resources or a cooldown till you can press a button again

Blizz' solution was to create a rotation of big highs (MS) and lower lows (Slam), so that you're still doing something while waiting for the big button - it might not feel particularly rewarding, but it is at least more engaging than just sitting on your thumbs

[crude hull]

Slam spamming will always be the lamest part of the class

[smoky kayak]

well the fact that we can end up in a position where we have to use it multiple times in a row is the real failure there... I think it's actually pretty easy to fix though

slam itself is fine, it just shouldn't be used 3x in a row lol

definitely an interesting point of design philosophy though, finding the right mix between "dead time" and "busy work" in a rotation that still feels compelling

[crude hull]

The obvious fix is adding something like "...each subsequent use of Slam increases the change of proccing X by 33%"...

Or hell 50%

[smoky kayak]

I've put forward a few suggestions like that, the easy one is just giving Slam a 2x chance to trigger Tactician

a more complicated one would be something like "Slam reduces the cooldown on Mortal Strike by 1.5s"

[rare kite]

slam "spamming" is fine imo as long as the reset feels good. felt good when tactician was on CS, mostly because getting a CS reset always felt really good.

[smoky kayak]

I think there are other factors that go into that though
for example, in Cata you can mix in HS, so pressing Slam twice in a row doesn't feel so bad

[dim basalt]

Idk its not that bad as Slayer because you know Opportunist hits hard

[rare kite]

yeah and in cata you know you're guaranteed to get overpower

[crude hull]

I would still hope they do something more interesting with Arms or Warrior in the long term (And I'm firmly in the "TG was a bad idea" camp)

[rare kite]

tg as in titans grip? i don't really think it's very relevant whether warrior uses 2 1handers or 2 2handers gameplay wise

it's just whether you think 2 2handers is cool or silly looks/feel wise.

[crude hull]

Yeah, Titan's Grip. It made Arms look less impressive (the guys all about big weapons are now outshined by the guys using TWO big weapons) and SMF (Single-Minded Fury) is about as viable as playing the game with your feet instead of hands

And hey, SMF would be the one class/spec I can see being very fitting for the spam and high amount of abilities per minute playstyle

Anyway I'll give Colossus a whirl for a bit, see if that makes me less bored of warrior

👍🏻

[rare kite]

i think colossus is alot more fun than slayer. mostly because of battelord, ms resets feel good

[minor gust]

This version of arms requires battlelord and EB to be even remotely. Enjoyable to play

[rare kite]

yeah battelord should be higher up in the tree imo. makes overpower feel decent to press as well

[minor gust]

I do think tho for a full rework for warrior adding something that enables the spartan theme would go pretty hard. Rework MTN thane to let fury use 2H and shield

[rare kite]

yeah that would be cool. Hoplite hero spec or something

[minor gust]

MTN thane would make the most sense to go for it. Can prob keep the whole theme and everything be a lightning/thunder spartan

[teal fossil]

agree with this

all the "design issues" goes out the window when the spec is simming highest

kind of like what dks are doing right now lol

[rare kite]

i just want procs to feel great and press the proc as i get it

[steep osprey]

I think dks should just get a raid wide buff

Idk why they're making things complicated

just do it

haste buff, who cares

[teal fossil]

id rather 2% crit but yeah i get you

probably with haste is that you can feel it

[rare kite]

tho idk if overpower tactician can ever feel "great" for me, feels pretty decent with battelord tho

[steep osprey]

Would be cool if their names were "Spec" Presence

Same buff, just different names based on the spec

[shadow ibex]

I know, which is why their defense of it makes no sense

It's supposed to be some tactial ability with big pay off

Per their description from the beta

Instead, as Madox has voiced, you feel like Jason Bourne in AoE, doing all these set up globals

[smoky kayak]

I mean you're presuming that the ability failing the way it does is an intended feature

which is a pretty bold presumption

[shadow ibex]

Just to be on par with some other guy

I say it does

Either their lying or its under tuned

[smoky kayak]

also idk what you mean by "supposed to be a tactical ability with a big pay off" - it's a cooldown like p much everything else

[shadow ibex]

I'm using blizzards own descriptions for why it must root

which yes is dumb as you pointed out

Because that's just buttons in an MMO

The ability is awkward to use because they feel that has some intangible value or flavor that we can't quantify

[sour forge]

I think demolish is a perfect candidate for being an empowered spell

[shadow ibex]

I'd say bladestorm is probably closer than demolish to being an empower

[minor gust]

I wouldnt say perfect but it could become one

[shadow ibex]

which is to say I dont think either is a good candidate but if I had to pick

[minor gust]

same way like Bladestorm could aswell

[shadow ibex]

At least the one that doesn't keep me immobile while I do whatever empowering is

[minor gust]

honestly you guys ready for a cook

I just omega cooked this up

[sour forge]

Okay carmy

[shadow ibex]

make demolish hit like war breaker?

is that the cook

[smoky kayak]

I think you're conflating theme and practicality

[shadow ibex]

cleave crits apply rend?

im not gonna lie when i see cleaving strikes get removed from DK i have hope for us with sweeping being gone

cleaving strikes replaced with frost scythe does more dmg while remorsless is active

[olive nest]

Demolish should have infinite range and apply 99 executioners precision stacks to all targets hit by it

[sour forge]

Lmao

[minor gust]

that was the massive change that made me want to play frost dk again

[shadow ibex]

yea man

[sour forge]

Demolish applies sks if talented

[shadow ibex]

its simple things like that

[shadow ibex]

and its just 1000% feel right

like yea do i hate my oblits wont hit 3 targets for 3mil each

yea that's kinda meh to see go, but i only liked it cuz big number

[minor gust]

oh yeah as soon as I saw it I was like this is perfect

[shadow ibex]

the reverse of it was holy fuck

standing in dnd to do aoe sucks

now i dont have to

i wish we had that same eye and idk emotional intelligence when it came to making stuff for arms/war

[minor gust]

one day

[olive nest]

Anytime you have to stand inside of a circle to do optimal damage the design is bad and they need to re think it

[shadow ibex]

like holy fuck just be a game developer that's what yal job is

[minor gust]

but yeah they have been cooking with some other classes very well this expansion

like 11.1 completly solved DH for me

Havoc fuckin owns to play now

[steep osprey]

I think demolish shouldn't need a target to be used

just pop it straight up

[shadow ibex]

the frost DK changes are super divisive but the fact they are changing

and the way they are changing you can see a clear design

[sharp galleon]

COOK

[shadow ibex]

this is the howling blast side

this is the oblit side

[steep osprey]

Howling Blast still seems mid

[shadow ibex]

i mean you should see the amount of talents that boost it

[steep osprey]

I did

[shadow ibex]

its unreal

[steep osprey]

Feels like the proc rate of rime is worse

[shadow ibex]

and then you have some that make it hit like 300% harder on secondary target

so you might have some target switching optimal tech

if it hits X target harder than primary etc etc

[minor gust]

From what ive seen making Rime big again and the Breath and Frost scythe changes are massive for me enough ill prob play as an alt

[shadow ibex]

i dont think we have a DK right now

if we needed one i would probably do it atp

if arms is slayer again and #no changes

[olive nest]

Next tier is the tier to be a DK

[steep osprey]

Same, I hated the fact that HOwling Blast was so bad because you'd rather prio obliterate over it anyway

FS too

[minor gust]

with new execute conditions I think slayer will be fine

just boring

[steep osprey]

HB was pretty useless

[shadow ibex]

ive never not raided on war but im done playing unhinged EB jugg EP same talent for what feels like forever

[olive nest]

Amz stonks rising

[shadow ibex]

thats my biggest problem

just bored

slam same talent set up across 3 tiers/tier sets

[minor gust]

yeah im hoping for a colossus Blord angle as well

I need Blord man

spec is so shit to play without

[steep osprey]

Battlelord should be higher up

[minor gust]

yeah

[shadow ibex]

MS OP Slam OP MS slam OP slam OP MS

man this is fun guys

i delayed my MS cuz opp proc wheeeeeeeeeeew this gameplay

[olive nest]

Slam slam slam ms slam slam slam ms slam slam slam ms slam slam slam ms

[shadow ibex]

milk that jug

[minor gust]

11.2 slayer so far is gonna be more about MFE usage than jugg min max so its slightly better

[shadow ibex]

i can appreciate that at least

paying attention and using exe only at X stacks but at the same time

weak aura ahhh spec

[smoky kayak]

it is better, though kind of in a bad way

real major improvement for Fury though

[shadow ibex]

if they leaned into that more i dont mind it

it checks whatever "tactical warrior" box arms is supposed to be

[minor gust]

Still hoping for those jugg changes to come a long

pray for today or tomorrow

[smoky kayak]

I'm certain that jugg will see some changes by 12.0; can't promise anything for 11.2 though

[shadow ibex]

like if the gameplay of slayer was yea play around these stacks, this hero spec is about managing MFE and that's the skill ceiling and expression

i think that would be great

clear mission statement etc etc

i may not like it but its at least a clear picture

instead it seems more of hey this is a bandaid to make jugg perma instead of adjusting the talent

[olive nest]

You will jug gamba another tier and you will like it! john blizzard

[fresh spire]

today surely

[minor gust]

Its hard to predict anything now since they didnt do class changes for 11.1.5 when they usually do big changes for the .5 patches

[shadow ibex]

we cba to fix it not so here's this tier set to remove the issue for the time being

[olive nest]

Exactly

[shadow ibex]

which hey points for acknowledging the issue but just excise it not throw a bandaid

[smoky kayak]

I don't think they "usually" do anything lol, but they did quite a bit of hotfixes so

[smoky kayak]

I mean tier sets have always been used that way

[shadow ibex]

i dont think that's a good thing, especially in this case

with how hated and problematic jug is

[smoky kayak]

eh

I think that's kind of a biased take

[shadow ibex]

i dont think there is any defense of such a talent in the modern game

it just doesn't work with how encounters are designed

[smoky kayak]

like being more concerned with why they aren't making good enough changes fast enough, rather than just acknowledging they did something to address the problem

[shadow ibex]

kicking the can down the road doesn't solve the problem

[smoky kayak]

yeah I don't agree with that either lol, there's nothing really wrong with current jugg except the gaming, which is mostly the fault of Slayer's increased SD procs

[latent moss]

bit of a necro but imo the issue was always that during cds arms felt the same as outside just slightly bigger numbers. especially during sl when u just had cs up most of the time. iftk really makes a difference in how the spec feels.

[shadow ibex]

they can promise plenty, but this is the same people that said they are happy with warrior

and I don't think any of us resonated with that statement

[olive nest]

I think it’s fair to be bothered by warrior specs not seeing much attention at all when spriest gets reworked for the 5th time

[smoky kayak]

it does address the problem in a feasible way, while allowing more time to create a more elegant fix though

[shadow ibex]

but they've had plenty of time

they've had multiple minor patches in this very patch to try something

we've seen classes on their 3rd? rework

[latent moss]

icl i agree

i want to see that jugg change you and fishy proposed

[neon ocean]

There's nothing wrong with jugg, slayer introduced this problem by allowing you to stack jugg while over 35% - would honestly be a blessing if it just didn't work above execute health percentages

[smoky kayak]

I don't think someone who has no understanding of their prioritization or work flow can really decide if they've had "enough time" or not

[neon ocean]

And tuned us around that

[shadow ibex]

its exhausting to discuss this stuff because we've been talkiing about it for years

[latent moss]

jugg was always annoying

[minor gust]

that and changing CM to apply CS on demolish hits

[latent moss]

takes too long to stack unless u have infinite rage (dragonflight)

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, that's why we suggest changes

[latent moss]

hopefully they listen

[shadow ibex]

that's ok, but i've spent enough money to criticize and question where the changes are

[latent moss]

ye idk why does demo have its own cdr system

[smoky kayak]

Sure, you can criticize all you want, nobody stopping you

and I mean I'm on your side, I want it changed - it's been a central part of my Arms feedback for the whole expansion

[fresh spire]

:madge:

[shadow ibex]

it doesn't seem like any of this arms feedback is being listened to or reaching them

[smoky kayak]

cause I (and many others) recognized from the start that the combo of Slayer + Jugg was going to be a problem

[shadow ibex]

we've had dead talents for multiple years now

that we know are dead, they know are dead

[smoky kayak]

you say that, except they literally just made changes improving it lol

[olive nest]

Atleast we have warbringer

[shadow ibex]

i mean this is the same team that didn't know warbringer and warbreaker

[smoky kayak]

and "dead talents" is a whole other conversation - there will always be "dead talents" in some form or another

[smoky kayak]

that's a CM writing the patch notes, also everyone makes typos - there's no need to be obstinate

[shadow ibex]

i don't think its out of pocket to say the job they are doing is a bad one

[latent moss]

the only talent i understand making fun of is spiteful serenity

[shadow ibex]

yes, they make issues but they made that issue for as long as the talent existed

[smoky kayak]

they actually did improve several dead talents and shook up talent builds as a whole several times this expansion

[shadow ibex]

it's not a big deal, it's more a smoking gun to show the apathy

[latent moss]

colo and slayer are where they should be imo

[smoky kayak]

which is not to say every "dead talent" is necessarily fixed, but it's never going to be either

[latent moss]

colo is blord ms spam slayer is exe spam

[shadow ibex]

warbringer/breaker is no where near a big deal

[neon ocean]

I've enjoyed cleave being a whirlwind replacement and actually being an effective ability

[smoky kayak]

people idealizing absolute perfection are deluding themselves into unreasonable expections

[neon ocean]

That didn't exist much in dragonflight

[shadow ibex]

i dont think these are unreasonable

[latent moss]

took them like 10 years to recognize cleave as a real spell

[shadow ibex]

they are a multi billion dollar company

[smoky kayak]

expecting things to happen on your timetable is

[shadow ibex]

just asking them to do better

[smoky kayak]

expecting there to be no "dead talents" is

[shadow ibex]

expecting things to happen at all

[olive nest]

It’s perfectly reasonable to expect more frequent balancing passes or ability changes when other classes get them so often/repeatedly

[smoky kayak]

except they just made a tier set directly addressing your complaint and you're still complaining about it!

[shadow ibex]

they took the time to rework dance of death to no use at all if we wanna talk about time table

[smoky kayak]

and if yall were paying attention earlier I very strongly hinted that jugg changes are coming down the pipeline...

[shadow ibex]

so, yea maybe they are just bad at their job if they are taking time to work on something only for it to remain dead

maybe they just stink

[steep osprey]

What's a CM

[smoky kayak]

community manager

[steep osprey]

Fury's Storm of Steel is crazy

[shadow ibex]

that's why we get things like spiteful serenity being a worse anger management. maybe someone is just bad at their job

[smoky kayak]

they never reworked it

[shadow ibex]

this version of dance of death is different from DF dance of death

[steep osprey]

I think the idea of Dance of Death is nice

but they need to do something more

[smoky kayak]

that applies to a lot of talents tbh

[shadow ibex]

they took the time to change a talent that hadn't been used all expac, to a talent that hasn't been used all expac

[smoky kayak]

Storm of Steel is a very good example of something that has a strong hypothetical use, but no practical one

[shadow ibex]

so if their time table is the issue, maybe they suck at managing time? if they are dedicating stuff to "fix" something only for it to still be dead

[minor gust]

Dance of Death just needs to be giga buffed

[smoky kayak]

like theoretically, being able to back to back Bladestorm could be very powerful, but in a practical sense there's almost never any reason to

[steep osprey]

Isn't Storm of Steel used in PvP?

[minor gust]

it has its niche

[steep osprey]

Agreed

[shadow ibex]

i dont think it has ever been

[neon ocean]

I kinda hope they do something with tclap rending, is the dot really that powerful that you have to limit it to 6 per use - I certainly don't think so

[smoky kayak]

yeah it has more use in PvP for the anti-cc properties, idk if it's currently played though

[shadow ibex]

even with the potential for x2 cc immune

[steep osprey]

I think it should just be a PvP talent tbh

I think that node needs to be completely replaced by something else for Fury

[neon ocean]

It's not an spriest dot like the shadow crash spreading stuff

[smoky kayak]

Dance of Death similarly has a strong hypothetical use in funneling damage, but its up against such strong talents that you never really have an opportunity to use it

[neon ocean]

And even they have it better because shadow crash hits hard now with 2 charges

[latent moss]

i hope they do something with sks

[shy tide]

tbh the main part i dislike about slayer is that it has cdr on top of the cdr we already have in the kit making it so shit constantly desyncs, i still remember playing court on prog and bladestorm having a variance of 30-40 seconds depending on pull if it was up for certain parts or not

[latent moss]

just make it not shorten the duration on rend

[smoky kayak]

does that mean the talent is bad, the placement on the tree is bad, or that the competition is too strong? probably a bit of all three

[steep osprey]

It's one of the worst talents ever, it needs to have no downsides to be worth using imo

[latent moss]

make it deal 100% more damage

[minor gust]

imagine if you could get like 30 second long ravagers

[latent moss]

unhinged value

bro make it like breath

[smoky kayak]

I mean the talent really isn't actually all that weak in the right conditions

[latent moss]

as long as u are spending rage

u keep ravager upp

[smoky kayak]

yall would be surprised how strong it could be

[latent moss]

imagine slayer spamming execute

[shadow ibex]

i really dont think we would be surprised how strong it could be

[smoky kayak]

but the practical reality is that the things you'd have to drop for it are just.. better

so is it too weak or are they too strong?

[steep osprey]

Why didn't Demolish get the Empowerment thing that Dracthyr has?

Would be interesting

[smoky kayak]

this is kind of the inevitable result of a talent system

[minor gust]

fun thinking would be its too weak

[latent moss]

ye just illusion of choice

[minor gust]

and needs buffs to make it competitive

[olive nest]

Thank god it didn’t I don’t want to be holding a button to charge up my ability

[shadow ibex]

yea its a shame they havent had multiple years to realize the mistake

[smoky kayak]

at the time, they wanted empowerment to be evoker only
that said I'm not a fan of the mechanic, so I wouldn't want it personally

[shadow ibex]

and maybe move the talent higher

[steep osprey]

make Dance of Death baseline

[neon ocean]

Does demolish still end if your target moves an inch too far, I only just started back on my warrior and haven't had it happen yet but know that it did exist

[latent moss]

fury needs god way more than arms atm ngl

[latent moss]

i think they increased it

[smoky kayak]

it's well more than an inch, but yeah that's the main issue with it atm

its more like 10 yards

[neon ocean]

Kinda weird considering that didn't happen with the fyrakk version

[steep osprey]

Why can't Demolish just hit the area infront of you instead of specifically targeting an enemy

[smoky kayak]

because the first two strikes are targeted, only the third hit is an AoE

[neon ocean]

^

[shadow ibex]

because the intial design was flawed

[latent moss]

make it 1 massive hit no target required

[shadow ibex]

and we're dealing with devs who won't admit mistake

[latent moss]

would go hard

[minor gust]

I think the way it works for Fdk is perfect for a melee you can move while channeling it doesnt have like a range/cast area like fire breath.

[latent moss]

idk demolish is more than fine

i fw it

its annoying sometimes but just ass tank idk

or u made a mistake

[smoky kayak]

demolish is fun af, if they fix the canceling it'll be fine

[shadow ibex]

needs to do more dmg to warrant the set up in our aoe

[minor gust]

They increased the range

[steep osprey]

Btw doesn't Rampage hit even if you're far from someone after you've pressed it?

[shadow ibex]

of like 5 globals

[steep osprey]

Like if you rampage then leap, it stil does the full damage

[minor gust]

so shouldnt cancel when tank moves mobs mid cast astleast

[smoky kayak]

its getting a 20% buff

[latent moss]

colossus is spot on for arms

[shadow ibex]

as are other classes next tier

[latent moss]

more damage on ur biggest spells

[plush smelt]

From the tierset ya

[shadow ibex]

tier sets increase dmg usually

[smoky kayak]

not always

look at thane lol

[steep osprey]

LMAO

[latent moss]

fury lmao

[smoky kayak]

or half the fury sets for the past 2 expacs