arms

[stable fiber]

lowkey remove raging blow from fury and add condemn back and make onslaught useable

spec is peak

[rare kite]

just makes more sense in my head. but it is what it is

[sharp wyvern]

remove raging blow so we get downtime cause every ability has a CD

[rare kite]

same goes for dk. makes more sense to me that unholy should dual wield and frost 2h(yes i know frost can 2h)

[sharp wyvern]

frostmourne was a 2h weapon and clearly frost inspired

[rare kite]

can make alot more infested cuts with 2 weapons rather than 1

[stable fiber]

bake titans torment bt reduction baseline

[sharp wyvern]

the only thning thats baked are your takes

they should rather stop making BT work

cause tiersets and reap juist feel bad

[rare kite]

they basically are next tier. look it's another tierset that buffs rb

[sharp wyvern]

ye

BT just a filler now

which is gonna be an issue in aoe cause we dont have any reap procs on good buttons

they just realy want thane to be the aoe one i guess

[stable fiber]

is there any other spec where the highest talent point in the spec tree is a filler button

unholy i guess

[sharp wyvern]

raging blow is lower down the tree cause its stronger

[rare kite]

is that true after the rework as well?

[stable fiber]

festering strike is the first talent point

you like never push that button ngl

[stable fiber]

mortal strike is higher than overpower...

[rare kite]

ye wasn't sure if the rework changed anything or not. not really checked it out

[stable fiber]

idk i dont go in the dk discord

for good reason

[sharp wyvern]

while leveling OP is much more usefull

frost DK has frost strike as the first one

[rare kite]

same. only really go into this discord. also the dh discord when all the dh 3rd spec "leaks" happened coz that was entertaining af

[stable fiber]

is that not a normally used ability though

or like on par with oblit

ig bt and rb are like same damage wise

so

man unholy is cooked

[sharp wyvern]

its a filler when you cant press oblit

[quartz adder]

Can i ask how you guys setup gem selection looks like on raidbots to cover your main and alts? If i select every gem my litterations explode. Need something that covers most things

[stable fiber]

Just go one of each gem color

Second Stat always crit

For the crit gem itself go haste

Rest of your gems go crit/haste

It doesn't matter much at all as long as you have all 4 gem colors with the algari gem, movement speed is good for damage and living during prog, crit strike damage is better damage than movement speed but less survivability

Simming gems is a massive waste of time for both warrior specs, its less for other specs since they exclusively like a certain Stat more than other even past diminishing returns, arms is not that way though.

[dim basalt]

Using vers gems simmed like 10k better for me

Because I didnt have a single item with vers

[stable fiber]

I have 3k vers

Vers gems are equal

[shadow ibex]

If you ain't gemming versi get your money up

https://tenor.com/view/get-ya-money-up-gif-26485285

[dim basalt]

real

[shadow ibex]

Warrior that makes you say real:

[hexed snow]

https://tenor.com/view/mourinho-roma-2023-wink-gif-8682963131337096979

[strange perch]

@tacit crystal

[terse osprey]

Sucks theres no changes to arms in next patch

[vapid goblet]

rework arms

[shadow ibex]

We're happy with arms ahhh tier

[sly lark]

arms 11.2 big smash or normal size smash?

can someone measure and report the size of the smash plz?

[shadow ibex]

we havent appeared in patch notes yet

nothing is changing except our tier atp

and colossus plays SkS

so a downgrade in playstyle if you arent a fan

[stable fiber]

Sks owns

Colossus owns

Fights are good for colossus

Promise it'll be fun

[dim basalt]

Which fight is good for col besides the dhs

[stable fiber]

Nexus king

Dhs

4th boss

[dim basalt]

Because of the damage amp @ king?

[stable fiber]

2 target cleave, damage Amp

[thick kelp]

u think its good untill you see that colossus is a solid 6% behind slayer

[dim basalt]

Dunno if 2T is good enough to justify col

3T I can kinda get behind

[stable fiber]

There is a 5t intermission

[thick kelp]

2T is thankfully enough to justify colossus

[stable fiber]

Only applies to st

Which there is I think

[dim basalt]

thank god

[stable fiber]

3 pure st fights

I think

Also colossus better on that damage Amp specifically

6% is a much smaller gap than it use to be

Right

I didnt care to check colossus st

[dim basalt]

I think right now its like 8?

6-8 or so

[stable fiber]

Slayer will be good on the spider worm boss thing

25% damage Amp for most of the execute phase

[dim basalt]

[stable fiber]

There is a lot of damage amps in this raid so it's automatically a banger

LoU has one damage Amp and it's bandit

Well and the mugzee shockers

[dim basalt]

Only if it also lines with our cds

[stable fiber]

And vexie but fake boss

[stable fiber]

Spider they should, 4th boss they should, nexus king they MIGHT, last boss I have no idea

Although you will play around the amp so you get cds for it since it'll probably be guranteed that you lust it on mythic

[storm lark]

Nexus king is annoying because u have adds into dmg amp so u have to choose 1

[shadow ibex]

last boss the dmg amp starts in final phase

but i think he heals to full

so no execute at all

and you jsut re-catch up with the 200% dmg taken

[stable fiber]

Yeah I wasn't sure about how to use mine, I think you can use them on both though

We will see

[storm lark]

Yeah adds probably wont die in 15s on mythic

[stable fiber]

The Amp also lasts a decent amount of time

It was ending early on ptr though, not sure if intended

3rd boss also has light cleave on it

It's a mix of 2-3 target so it's up in the air what we play on it

[obtuse valley]

Hey Guys one question so i got best in slots as a weapon but only the hc version cant obtain mythic now i got a weapon in gv which would be 684 it sims higher then best in slots did i sim it correctly ? since best in slots has a proc https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qjH3XQEZaxjgNVxacCLh3J

[shadow ibex]

fract is gonna be a fun patchwerk

bout time we got a terros late instead of boss 2

[slow saddle]

Do we have acces to same delve loot next season?

[slow saddle]

Mythic track weap beats hc bis y

[obtuse valley]

ah okay thank you friend

[eager sigil]

no they change the pool

not sure what stays and what goes

ptr doesnt have funhouse lens tho on the vendor

[stable fiber]

It's different trinkets

Same weapons and jewelry and armor

[slow saddle]

Well thank god

Rly dont wanna luck farm 2 trinkies from delve again

[stable fiber]

The only good one is a 20k haste proc with a very low uptime

So it's not actually that good

It builds faster when people die though

[slow saddle]

Perfect m+ trinket first 2 weeks

[shadow ibex]

if fract is tuned crazy thats gonna be sludgefist

whats ptr exe apl again

its same as now right

[thick kelp]

yeah

[strange perch]

@tacit crystal Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

[wintry scroll]

can anyone give me the execute WA pls

[lean wraith]

are people playing colossus again in pvp?

i just decided to dust off warr again, and noticed top two are colossus

[dim basalt]

#pvp

[lean wraith]

shit, sorry my bad

i thought i clicked it

[dim basalt]

all g brother

[still fox]

General question: Why is rouge added in physical comp? Is it just because of the overall damage, or is there something else?

[fresh spire]

cc imo

[slow saddle]

Dmg

[minor gust]

good dmg and access to shroud can be good since you need to get a lil creative sometimes with pulls as phys comp

[reef glade]

3% damage reduction

[minor gust]

and if hes assassination and is being a good boy he can take the silence on garrote talent which can be really useful

for a minor dmg loss

[dim basalt]

minor = 6% or so

[minor gust]

its not 6% its like 2%

[dim basalt]

Hm our rogue always said its a rather big loss

[minor gust]

the rogue I play with is a rogue one trick and he said and has played many times a build where its only like a minor 2% loss

[dim basalt]

I see

[minor gust]

very worth if your comp needs the extra cc on some dangerous casts dungeons

can be very clutch

[reef glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/925837396342362182/1388959383068741753/4x.avif?ex=6862e0ba&is=68618f3a&hm=395ec9def87e2e121ddcbe4b77d2c44a8251c78a8b8501dd108ae5293995313c&

[slow saddle]

Dmg is very clutch

[minor gust]

2% is not a real number

[slow saddle]

Dead mobs cant cast!!!

2% deader

[obtuse valley]

how do you guys stay sane while looking for a group

[minor gust]

dont pug

[slow saddle]

Honest answer?

I play bgee on the side

[obtuse valley]

ofc

what is bgee

[slow saddle]

Baldurs gate

[teal fossil]

Could very well got a change this patch or something

But I do remember 6% a while back

[minor gust]

something something trying to remember what our rogue said it was like 6% at the start and then at some point during the patch a build was found that lowered it to like 2%

[still fox]

thx for info 😃

[strange perch]

best way to generate fury as arms?

[reef glade]

like… rage u mean?

most of it comes from auto attacks I think

[minor gust]

press n and swap to fury

[reef glade]

truege

[strange perch]

arms is dominating 3s in terms of number of people representing the class/spec, does this mean arms is op or just many more people play arms vs other class/specs

[rare kite]

Can't use PvP as an indicator for class popularity. Very few people play PvP compared to pve

[spiral coral]

Arms is really good in PvP, that’s really all.

I mean it’s good in PvE, I’m just saying what you’re looking at is just meaning people play arms in PvP a lot because it’s good

[rigid island]

yeah and it is historically good in pvp i think

[foggy quiver]

arterial bleed may be the play next season

[obsidian atlas]

Because of the 4set?

[icy mulch]

Great, they're turning us into a passive damage class as well. C.c

[hexed snow]

Do we know if Ashkandur the sword is part of collectors bounty?

[white gate]

no, its just pre-DF mounts and Vanilla/TBC legendaries

and the nighthold toy

[dark minnow]

haste or crit in m+ for belt

[reef glade]

can sim but prolly crit crit good

[weak rain]

That looks amazing, I came

[azure onyx]

what are the builds for the ptr?

[foggy quiver]

aint that passive since you need to press MS to proc the 4set but ill take it anytime.. the other option is capped fury with garbage tier set

[smoky kayak]

if you mean in M+, its interesting - Cleave talent is better at mid range target counts, but Bleed talent gets better at very high target counts (though offset by time it takes to actually apply Rend to that many targets)

off the top of my head, I wanna say One Against Many is better somewhere around 3-8 targets, and Arterial is better against 10+ (assuming Rend gets applied to all of them in a timely manner which isn't always reliable)

[hexed snow]

Isn't TClap "bugged" (harsh word) but if I use TClap twice it doesn't apply rend to all 10 targets in those two clicks, right?

[smoky kayak]

it doesn't have smart targeting, if that's what you mean

[hexed snow]

Precisely

[smoky kayak]

it won't prioritize targets that aren't affected by Rend

there is an odd interaction with Sweeping Strikes which actually does end up applying Rend to more targets, but when you're talking about the first pull of Cinderbrew, you're still gonna have a hard time actually getting Rend up on everything in a timely manner

[foggy quiver]

also bleeds are uncapped if im right

[smoky kayak]

not all actually, but yeah Rend/DW are
which is why Arterial can be good in high target counts

[reef glade]

Demolish should apply rend to everything it hits

[rough dirge]

Arterial at least does have a bit of value in single target too
If skull splitter build see some play

[smoky kayak]

yeah it's a good ST talent

and we will def use SkS in both raid and M+, as things currently stand

[foggy quiver]

raid? you mean colossus arms takes over slayer in raid?

[smoky kayak]

no, I mean that every Colossus build will use SkS

[dusk basalt]

wich spec is better rn arms or fury? for M+ content?

[smoky kayak]

Colossus Arms

[dusk basalt]

aight thanks

[steep osprey]

YES

[stable fiber]

I think this raid in particular will be a 50/50 split between colossus and slayer

Possible colossus is more.

[dusk basalt]

how is the kit rn in ptr as warrior? is it good ?

i saw hunter, evoker etc are crazy

[azure onyx]

thundershock doesnt apply rend anymore?

[rare kite]

i mean it's the same as on live.

[smoky kayak]

Not sure that's a Warrior ability

Thunder Clap applies it, but only to 5 targets, hence the issue with getting Rend applied to 10+

[weak rain]

arterial is also better at 1-2 targets afaik

[smoky kayak]

it is, but that's not a common Mythic+ situation

And you don't often use Cleave vs 2 targets anyway

[azure onyx]

o ya thunderclap

but if 5 targets have it and you thunderclap again does it prioritize the non rend targets

[smoky kayak]

no

[foggy quiver]

Its been cases that i used 3 times thunderclap and still didnt got it on all targets 😥😥

[smoky kayak]

Yeah it's roughly proximity based, so if you want to spread rend around it helps to move around, but it's not exactly reliable

[foggy quiver]

Its rare but happens

[weak rain]

why not uncap rend application with tclap I don't get it, it's so clunky, make it at least smart, so it applies rend to those who don't have it already

[foggy quiver]

Still deep wounds are applied easily

[smoky kayak]

they could, but it's not really a major problem so

[weak rain]

also crackling thunder should slow for 50% so it's usefull at least

[smoky kayak]

The cap is because they want you to use Thunder Clap a little more, instead of just once every 20s

[smoky kayak]

it's 40% which ain't that far off

[steep osprey]

Is there a reason it can’t just apply rend to all targets ?

[smoky kayak]

yeah, two lines above you

[weak rain]

This colossus m+ iteration looks like more fun df season 2 arms in m+

[steep osprey]

Makes sense

Still feel like something better could be done about it

[smoky kayak]

giving the debuff smart targeting would be the most beneficial
but it also just doesn't really matter so

[steep osprey]

I don’t know if I like TC for arms

[smoky kayak]

Well that sounds like a different topic altogether

[steep osprey]

Lol

[smoky kayak]

gameplay-wise, it's practically identical to the current playstyle, except you'll also use Skullsplitter
but it is a very powerful bonus and the thematics are pretty good

[steep osprey]

I think there should either be a different ability or just remove rend entirely and buff DW

[smoky kayak]

supremacy

[weak rain]

I only wish that we could apply aoe skullsplitter somehow, kinda like unholy 100% speed up talent on scourge strike

[smoky kayak]

you got sweeping strikes

[weak rain]

2 targets only though

[smoky kayak]

big dam against them though

[steep osprey]

Oh that reminds me, would be great if we get the DF s3 set

[smoky kayak]

not for Colossus it wouldn't

[weak rain]

for slayer it would be funny, slayer will turn into thane

[smoky kayak]

maybe they could do something for Slayer, but it already has a lot tied up in Execute

[weak rain]

with amount of sd procs it has

[steep osprey]

Yeah maybe that’d be too crazy

[smoky kayak]

don't get me wrong, I like the DFS3 tier set a lot, but I also dunno if Colossus needs to have a big Sudden Death focus when Slayer already does

I like when they go in different directions

[steep osprey]

It could work differently though

[weak rain]

They could remove boring shit like op buff from colossal stacks and replace it with crushing force(slam giga proc) with clap tied to it

would be funny

[fresh spire]

no

did you see the last time they tried to play with slam

[steep osprey]

I like that idea actually lol

[fresh spire]

"wow is that it"

[weak rain]

they could just make it to "replace" sd proc and tune it

[steep osprey]

Ok but his idea actually sounds good wdym

[fresh spire]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/igdkHERfWqg

never forget

[smoky kayak]

they could certainly do something, but it's starting to become an entirely new idea at that point - I was commenting on the SD part of DFS3

[urban marten]

Anyone recommend a good UI setup? Used to use luxthos then tried the new in game stuff and I’m just looking for something better lol

[smoky kayak]

tbf if they'd worked out the damage a bit, the cleave part of it could have been banger
Slam Cleave in MoP is pretty sick

[steep osprey]

Thoughts on SD executes proccing reap

[smoky kayak]

idk, SD already does a lot

[steep osprey]

That’s one of the most exciting parts of mop

[fresh spire]

gotta love when the max stacked slam in full cds and pot did less damage than the mortal strike outside of cds :awks

[steep osprey]

[smoky kayak]

tbf they could have tuned it, that was like the first PTR build

[steep osprey]

That’s true

That set did end up still being mid right

[smoky kayak]

it wouldn't have been hard to change 15% to 50% or something
but people get so touchy and judgey over their first look at something on the PTR 🙄

[steep osprey]

It was a pretty bad set iirc

Even after changes

[smoky kayak]

it was decent, it became a Mortal Strike amp that also cleaved in front of you

[steep osprey]

I’ll forever despise whoever voted for s1 arms set

[steep osprey]

It became cleave

[weak rain]

wdym, ssn2 set was kinda fun

[steep osprey]

I think the reason they don’t wanna combine cleave and MS is tuning

They made obliterate pure st for fdk because of the tuning issues that arise

And frostscythe is now aoe

Which is similar to Ms/Cleave

[smoky kayak]

it kept Mortal Strike relevant in a rotation that would have otherwise been dominated by Cleave and Overpower

[weak rain]

I still overall think that arms should get rework where they just combine dw and rend into 1 bleed. Prot should get the same treatment, but their bleed should be rend idk

[steep osprey]

They actually removed the obliterate cleave, good idea

[steep osprey]

I think something like a perma bleed and something like trauma would be cool

[weak rain]

Also wouldn't mop bloodbath be more fun and better gameplay instead of roar?

[steep osprey]

Idk, it’s basically the same thing tbh, roar would have better feedback

Bloodbath is just a cd

That doesn’t really feel impactful

[smoky kayak]

They did this in MoP, though removing Rend makes the rotation even more boring

[indigo ivy]

Just fix slam spam bad streaks

[smoky kayak]

yeah, that needs to happen too

[weak rain]

bring back big spin(storm of swords from df)

[smoky kayak]

doesn't work with new Cleave design, and current rage economy doesn't really support it either

[weak rain]

thats why warrior needs rework

[smoky kayak]

because you want Rend removed?

[weak rain]

nothing works, everything is boring

it's just... okay

[indigo ivy]

A big blp stacking on each cast or something, those bad streaks in cs are my only gripe with arms (well maybe sweeping being on gcd and demolish not auto CSing too)

[misty bridge]

remove Avatar

[smoky kayak]

remove everything

delete warrior, everyone go play paladin

[misty bridge]

woah chill

[weak rain]

remove everything, only MS and melee swing stays and somehow spec is balanced

[fresh spire]

paladin is just warrior with more range at this point

[weak rain]

imagine

[rigid island]

what trinkets are you guys using on ptr?

[weak rain]

for real, what is bis trinket combo? pls don't tell me its pacemaker+arakara sack

[misty bridge]

that would be very pog

[steep osprey]

The answer to this is in MoP

[fresh spire]

🔮

[half vine]

and no target cap, and fury simplistic rotation, and brez and cds up for pretty much every new pack

[azure onyx]

anyone have talents for PTR?

[smoky kayak]

More or less the same thing you have now, just add SkS to Colossus

[nova marsh]

Has arms even gotten any changes?

[hexed saddle]

no

[nova marsh]

Lol

[hexed saddle]

just prot

[nova marsh]

To be fair I dont think we've seen the most specs get changes

And it'll happen later in ptr

[hexed saddle]

atp im hoping warrior doesnt get any changes

[nova marsh]

They're cooking up peak for warr guys trust blizz

[hexed saddle]

would prefer them do everything for midnight instead of slapping on a bandaid and forgetting to take it off and treat the wound

[nova marsh]

I mean this is blizzzard

I stg some specs are held together by bandaids

[analog smelt]

are there any weakaura i should use to keep track of anything important for arms? like the bloodthirst crit for fury

[arctic iris]

Yes, quite a few things

[analog smelt]

can u help tell me what they are

[arctic iris]

I would recommend starting with one of the weakaura packages on wago

Cross reference that with the rotation guide, it mentions buffs, debuffs, and other effects that will affect your decision making

[azure onyx]

seems like the rotation got easier without ip

[stable fiber]

i personally think the only thing required is the sudden death weakaura

if people tell you that you need to track more, you are being lied too

[grand idol]

Honestly, it might be worth telling people that ask to use the cooldown manager. While certainly not better than properly setup auras it will be the only choice in Midnight.(to my understanding)

[arctic iris]

I mean, IP was removed back in DF.

I'd argue it's more complicated now with the addition of Slayer and the need to micromanage Juggernaut stacks (please, blizzard, redesign juggernaut, it feels awful)

[earnest imp]

Skullsplitter is back? Noooooo

Such a dull annoying button

[stable fiber]

reclaim my spot on heroic stix 💔

only boss on heroic i can rank 1 on

[boreal hawk]

when we'll get some news about tuning for other classes u have any clue?

[minor gust]

They have been pretty consistent with weekly ptr notes this expansion so I expect more Tuesday or Wednesday

[copper stump]

Generel question regarding Arms as a non Warrior Main (I Main ele), is it just the way Arms plays in m+ that your burst is not that insanely high but your good Overall damage comes from having consistent damage in the packs ? Or am I playing something comepletely wrong ?
Currently sitting at 670 with bad trinkets I average out 12s on like 3,2m which feels kinda low (tbh pulls werent that good gathered)
(For the ones who dont know, as ele you ramp burst windows between 20-30m and Play alot around cooldowns - thats why Arms feels „different“ for me)

[thick kelp]

You can definetly burst high as a warrior but yeah our damage is just a flat line most of the time

[copper stump]

Feels like I still struggle with that. I Max out somewhere 15mil on big pulls and at the end stand somewhere around 7-10m. My biggest issue is actually the Tank Leaving the Pack in a Spot for 2-4secs so I can pump demolish. I lose a lot of dmg because of demolish going into the nether 🤣

[thick kelp]

Comes with time, same with positioning properly to hit cleave on everything as its a funny 180 degree half circle in front of you

[copper stump]

What ? Really ? Omg thats an eye opener. Thank you. Last time I Played Warrior was Cata classic and I thought it Works Like „the old cleave“.

That might have Major impact. Thank you sir 🫡

[thick kelp]

np

[dim basalt]

Playing col on the soul hunters encounter is really damn fun

[regal dragon]

new boss?

[dim basalt]

new raid yeah

[regal dragon]

hows our dps looking?

[dim basalt]

Did full raid testing on normal mode yesterday

Dunno seems okay, just like now

Increased SD procs are barely noticable though

[regal dragon]

oh okay! still deciding if i wanna play warrior in 11.2

[vernal crypt]

Big warrior changes this week, I feel it

[ripe hill]

In 5 target dummies Why my seismic reverb only deals around 20-25% of main cleave dmg? While in tooltip and simc it says dealing 30% of main cleave dmg

Sorry for bad english

[regal dragon]

the copium

[vernal crypt]

I always cope

[regal dragon]

my cope is swapping mains

[balmy kindle]

When arms changes

[grand idol]

It's probably getting reduced by armor again.

I think standard armor value is somewhere around 30% (though that is very old knowledge and it very likely could be different now)

[ripe hill]

Thx

[slow saddle]

Tbh once a in a while do a meta tier

My alt is dk. So i get to be boss of keys

[dim basalt]

Will see if thats still the case next season

Losing abom limb sucks hard

[slow saddle]

I mean not rly. Its nice and all

[dim basalt]

wdym

[slow saddle]

But fr. Dh tanks do same

And less gcd to push

[dim basalt]

Losing abom limb will be the reason you will see even less dps dks in raid

Theres literally 0 reason to bring them now

[slow saddle]

Nah 2 grips matter

[dim basalt]

Why bring a dps dk when you can bring a dk tank

Who has massgrip

[slow saddle]

Coz u need more grips more often

[dim basalt]

Complete waste of a melee spot

Yeah, so why bring a dps dk?

Tank can do the same

Melee spots are already tight

[slow saddle]

I mean

Amz

Id bet having 2 will be nice

[shy tide]

the more dks you have the better amz becomes for raid

just like how disgustingly strong rally was in SL

because instead of having to chose where you dump your singular rally, once you reach the treshhold you can just dump amz on every major mechanic or every 2nd one

thats why they made it 4 minutes so having 2 is great 3 is akward and 4 is unlikely

otherwise wed be back in castle nathria

[dim basalt]

Then you will bring at most 1 dps dk if you need it

Which I think is still very unlikely

[shy tide]

no 2 dks is infinitly more vallue than just 1 stinky 4 minute amz

it mostly sucks for dks in dungeons tho

since their current amz is actually quite good

for dangos

[dim basalt]

But bdk has access to amz as well no?

[shy tide]

yes

[dim basalt]

And you will take the 3 min talent anyway

[shy tide]

im counting them since there is no real practicall difference

i mean if its 3 minutes with the talent and the raid is filled to the brim with magic dmg

might aswell take 3 dk's

[dim basalt]

Bro

Thats so garbage

Its not like dks are the only class that can give defensive value

Which is exactly why I dont see 2 dks being that useful

[shy tide]

depends on the fight and how often meaningfull dmg comes out

but new amz is way more usefull than old amz for raid

and vice versa for dungeons

and ofc it depends on how hard the class is gonna crank when all the tuning is done

no point in bringing deadweight even if they have really good raid utility

but if they crank i see no reason why you wouldnt bring 2 to 3 per fight

[dim basalt]

I mean you can bring that argument for any spec that cranks

Ofc you would stack them

[shy tide]

well more so now that they fixed amz for raid

thats my point

because its not like DK couldnt crank in the current raid

[slow saddle]

Yup

[shy tide]

also not a direct comparison, but when they nerfed hard CC for dungeons, they just made it so you had to stack more hard CC to make it playable

now in a theoretical world

where you need grips

and slappy hands doesnt exist

you just need more grips

and dont equate pushes from other class to grips

its not the same

that shit takes way more setup

[slow saddle]

Amz is strong in raid

And grip is always nice to have a spare no?

[latent moss]

on some bosses u must have grip

[shy tide]

idk my eyes rolled when i saw the class writer equate grips to like typhoon

like yes in a world you could use it like how on fyrak you used 10 million pushes

[slow saddle]

I mean for rwf mby not. But for sub 1000 guilds

[elfin stratus]

Hi gamers, really stupid questions incoming

I got put in on Arms for Mugzee Mythic to help out, problem is I have no idea how to play Arms. FYI we do the 3heal push strat.

I looked at Archon Builds (probably mistake #1) for Mugzee and I am heavily confused.

Why do you take Thunder Clap? Just for AoE Rend Apply?
Do i even look at the Adds at all if they fall over quite fast anyways?
What are good Damage Instances to use Spell Reflect on for, for the Magic DR?
Is there any funny Warrior Specific stuff I can abuse on that fight?

I can already hear the collective sighs at the questions sorryyyy

[shy tide]

but that shit is way more finicky

[thick kelp]

Watch a pov of that fight

[slow saddle]

Lorrgs

[latent moss]

bdk was so peak on that fight

push in the middle bdk massgrips

[thick kelp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBRIB_rqQZA

[slow saddle]

Fyrakk was cursed for pushers

[thick kelp]

Dont play ravager slayer tho

[elfin stratus]

legend tyvm

[thick kelp]

[slow saddle]

If u had dks it was just grip

[latent moss]

best advice . just watch walli or someone

[elfin stratus]

Yeah im going Bladestorm Slayer anyways

[latent moss]

don't need to figure out the fight if its already figured out

type shi

[hollow plover]

this thumbnail is still beak af

[shy tide]

youre also linking a pov for a prog kill with 5 healers where you take a long time while he asked about the fast push shenanigans 🤓 ☝️

[thick kelp]

same shit do dam

[shy tide]

ravager slayer was peak tho

good old times

felt pretty great in execute

[elfin stratus]

I got the fight strats figured out for myself so far, deadass do dam is the worst part for me

[thick kelp]

Just press sweeping strikes just before finger gun and the soak add jump next to boss

and then you have dbts for all bomb soak sets

if you play velf you can velf out of gaol idk

[daring heron]

that dude looka so cool wth

[thick kelp]

🙄

[elfin stratus]

Nightborne so thats not an option. dbts when i soak a bomb myself or when they get soaked in general

[thick kelp]

when they get soaked in general

[hollow plover]

based self glazing

[elfin stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-forger-taking-notes-oomfie-spy-x-family-memo-gif-8287618218761733944

I also feel like my stats are fucked because i literally just copy pasted my Prot Gear with a single trinket swap, wtb mastery please

[thick kelp]

no thats chill

[hollow plover]

dont feel, just sim

if unsure how, we help

[elfin stratus]

na im good with simming but ty for the offer <3

[shy tide]

i mean caring about secondaries doesnt really matter that much unless you have pieces that are the same ilvl 99% of the time

not like were mages who NEED haste

[elfin stratus]

heard you said haste? xdd

[strange perch]

hello walhe

[shy tide]

you need more haste

cant have enough haste

[thick kelp]

hi pauckelius the 3rd

[elfin stratus]

hope for the 50/50, more haste more good

[strange perch]

you wanna do a key

[thick kelp]

I have a J*b, sorry

[strange perch]

bro stop...

warning next time.

[thick kelp]

Sorry

I thought censor was enough

[strange perch]

TW:

[shy tide]

https://tenor.com/view/job-jumpscare-job-application-job-meme-job-jumpscare-gif-5102454363566376023

[strange perch]

yo

[hexed snow]

How we looking at PTR Raid?

Any bosses that we are just no go?

Any bosses we are shining on? Etc

[dim basalt]

Was hard to tell on Normal because it is pretty undertuned

soul hunters feel amazing as col though

[hexed snow]

Nice

[boreal remnant]

so what are people cooking in ptr m+ now adays

[boreal remnant]

all melees feel extremely meh rn compared to ranged

[oak quartz]

Dh It looks good

[dim basalt]

Hey at least theres one fight that might be melee favoured

[regal dragon]

yeah, not a fan of dk tbh i was thinkin druid or mage next tier

[rare kite]

ehh. i think maybe if he had a cool hat with 3 chains on it he would look cool

[daring heron]

lmao

[tacit crystal]

gm critcake

[shadow ibex]

I only got to do fract and king

The terros boss is just that I just hope it's tuned super tight

Or guardian of the first ones round 2

[daring heron]

gm gio

[obtuse valley]

!howtosim

if i do only m+ and want to check dps what fight style fight length do i have to put into raidbots

!sim

[tacit crystal]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/resources/simulationcraft-and-raidbots-guide

[obtuse valley]

thanks

idk man

everytime i click on warrior he shows me evoker

[tacit crystal]

what

[obtuse valley]

When i click on class specific options and i click on warrior it always shows me evoker

i dont get the guide im probably stoopid

[thick kelp]

the guide is the thing he linked

[obtuse valley]

i know but i dont understand what is written in the guide

[thick kelp]

the thing you are trying to click is class specific github wiki with options for simulation craft

[thick kelp]

thats a skill issue unfortunately

[obtuse valley]

indeed

[thick kelp]

For bosses
3min - 1 Targets
For Trash
40s - 5,8,10 targets

[obtuse valley]

because when i choose the fight style for like dungeon slice which i assume is m+ i cant change anything else

[thick kelp]

well we dont really use dslice

as its not aswell optimized as it could be

so just use the options I listed and apply common sense

[obtuse valley]

im trying

[winter robin]

how is the new tier set bonuses in PTR looking for arms?

[thick kelp]

Good

[stable fiber]

both are pretty good

[winter robin]

gimmi more then that Walhe

compared to the other classes and so on

can't find anything about it online

[stable fiber]

compared to boomkin

[stable fiber]

id say if you compare it to the average of other classes, its above average for arms

some classes got shafted and some got useful tier sets

like dk is pretty bad

[thick kelp]

We are comfortably middle of pack

in terms of tierset power

[winter robin]

Now that's hat I like to hear!

[stable fiber]

not very above average

but atleast its not mountain thane

xdd

[winter robin]

as long as it is not garbage, im happy

thx for the answer guys!

[hexed snow]

And your conclusion is

[supple badge]

Cleave on cooldown in AOE? even during sweeping strike

[latent moss]

yes

[thick hamlet]

when does overpower take priority over execute during execute?

at 10 tier stacks?

[vast helm]

Blue Post when?

[thick hamlet]

blue post for what

[sharp wyvern]

when ptr servers go down

[gaunt owl]

blue balls

is what you get

[sharp wyvern]

at least thane set buffs gotta be in there

i dont expect anything else

[vast helm]

[shadow ibex]

Fract is based on tuning

It's a patchwerk fight late in raid

Could be sludge fist where he's dying after enrage and it's mad fun and close or guardian where it's p much a second boss in difficulty

[eager sigil]

i didnt like the little arrows on it

but was kinda cool fight

[thick hamlet]

for bros who ptr, how's arms doing over there

[eager sigil]

fight were too short on ptr for arms imo

[rare kite]

when you have an opportunist proc

[olive nest]

Surely they add Condem and buff execute by 50%

[swift crown]

dw you'll have a WA tell you where to go on live

[tacit crystal]

gm

[swift crown]

hello Giofiveseven

[tacit crystal]

i need to do a 3/8 on my shaman

[quasi yoke]

anybody know how to sim the one button roatation

or is that not a thing

[shadow ibex]

Yea hard to see for sure

And growing big I'm a warrior I'm big from avatar

[fresh spire]

dont think ptr will go down till tomorrow?

[tacit crystal]

hi

[fresh spire]

hi

[rare kite]

yeah usually on NA reset?

[quasi yoke]

guess not 😦

[olive nest]

Surely ptr class tuning notes today

[minor gust]

If your looking for information at how bad of a loss the one button is that info is on the wowhead guide

[dim basalt]

Surely a buff to SD procs or jugg removed

[strange perch]

@tacit crystal hello i am RIOT Pauck i am from RIOT Games come play league

[teal fossil]

raidbots is planning on adding simming 1button rotation soon

[tacit crystal]

nope

[candid pecan]

some numbers https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-good-are-the-warrior-hero-talent-tier-sets-in-the-war-within-season-3-377499?utm_source=discord-webhook#arms-tier-set-reviews-slayer

[regal dragon]

League in the year 2025 is crazy work

[feral breach]

Somethings wrong with that article

[regal dragon]

[regal dragon]

are we back?

[candid pecan]

not sure, too early to tell

but 20% ST gain for both hero specs with new tier set (same ilvl) is INSANE

[regal dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-funny-gif-21548565

[minor gust]

Numbers dont mean much until tuning for the patch happens closer to release

[strange perch]

come play league you can pick a champion and play the laning phase too

[regal dragon]

I play Dota and Deadlock I'm good

Riot is icky

[small juniper]

Newbie question - as a Lightforged Draenei, at which point of my rotation should I press my orbital laser racial?

[strange perch]

can you play pangolier for me

i have... a crush on him..

[minor gust]

Is it on the gcd?

[small juniper]

Yep. I tried to macro it with Colossus, it didn't work

[minor gust]

unfort prob just use it whenever you would press slam

[regal dragon]

I can, he is an offlaner[pos 3] and thats my favorite position in dota

[strange perch]

❤️ thank you i like the perk where he can double jump underlord is cool too but every time i checked his portal was on another button he confuses me

[regal dragon]

Underlord is one of my favorites and then I play Axe, Mars, and Nyx

[strange perch]

yeah axe and nyx are cool too never played mars i cant judge sorry..

[rain cipher]

By wowhead 🧐

[dire hinge]

the people who post info here are the ones that provide info to wowhead

[rain cipher]

The LFR appearance is the best one.. I don't want to do LFR raid 🤦‍♂️

[spiral coral]

[teal fossil]

ya its so they dont credit 1 person for 2 peoples work idk what the fuss is with him lol

[spiral coral]

I really hope the slayer set is going to be good in m+

I won’t do another season of colossus lmao

[thick kelp]

whos this Archimtiros guy, last I heard he stopped doing warrior theorycrafting

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/point-mad-angry-dont-you-put-that-evil-on-me-gif-17344105

[dire hinge]

I heard he's a smart fella, not a fart smella

[minor gust]

I heard its because of losing RWF again that he wants to focus more on the race since Archi is Revvez

[spiral coral]

That was so random of that person. Did they ever say anything else? Lol

[teal fossil]

wait whats the lore behind this one

[dreamy sandal]

Yo, anyone have a M+ build for PTR?

Heard we playing skullspliter now

[minor gust]

same as live but with sks

[spiral coral]

someone randomly popped in a couple days ago saying his friend said Archi was leaving wowhead and “his friend is usually right about these kinds of things.” We said no, he said ok thanks and left lol.

[dreamy sandal]

What do you swap for sks?

[minor gust]

SOA/DN if you want my suggestion but swap whatever you want its ptr go try things its just 1 talent point

[smoky kayak]

clearly nobody else in this meeting got that memo either

[smoky kayak]

depends on whose farts

[olive nest]

[halcyon valve]

sus

[dim basalt]

Elite is the best by far

[rain cipher]

I didn't check the pvp set

rofl

[spiral coral]

same I don’t bother to look at the cool stuff they get

[weak rain]

22% st for colo and slayer damn

insaaaaane

[minor gust]

lots of tier sets are really high this tier

we aint the only ones

[steep osprey]

Seems intentional

[hexed snow]

Think they want tier sets back

no more 5% buffs

[inland drift]

slayer arms back in action? slayere fury?

[smoky kayak]

they're both very juiced

[hexed snow]

[arctic iris]

I think it'll end up being frustrating the first couple weeks of the season for most people, because it means that if you don't get lucky with tier from your vault or drops, then you're miles behind

[slow saddle]

Its what 3 weeks at best?

[dim basalt]

Yeah 3 at most

[candid pecan]

if you dont get it from norm/hc raid... just queue for LFR and try to buy it off Billy who won the roll on tier token and did tank dmg

[shadow ibex]

!skip this tier already

[snow flame]

it's over for arms

wrap it up

[minor gust]

[tacit crystal]

[untold trench]

Arms is back!

[broken arrow]

Arms is back!

[snow flame]

I ain't clicking on that

[reef glade]

ur done

insta ip grabbed

[snow flame]

no way that wasn't a bait link

did anyone click on it

[stable fiber]

i clicked on it

[snow flame]

[shadow ibex]

number 1 family in america

[stable fiber]

chatgpt says that its a untrustworthy site

[shadow ibex]

why cant me and my cat be the number 1 family in america

[stable fiber]

and is known for phishing and scamming

[shadow ibex]

[spiral coral]

I was watching Banshers yesterday the damage is just absurd

[shadow ibex]

one day we'll get a tier set that looks like the berserker armor

and a sword like the dragonslayer

[calm hollow]

why is this a thing only for mop classic?

oh wait

no, a reset should be encounter end too, so yea

[shadow ibex]

no idea

i genuinely dont know why 90 seconds dont reset

someone was afk on pull and got smushed by gally

90 second wait

at this point only thing i can think of is they genuinely dont know? i dont see any gameplay value or cheese possible specifically for 90 second CDs only

[smoky kayak]

they should

but it's also worth recognizing that MoP classic encounters are by and large going to be a lot shorter than modern raid encounters

[steep osprey]

That’s true

Unrelated but MoP does have a 30 min fight I think

Or something like that

Or did

[shadow ibex]

garrosh was extremely long

as was sha of fear

[steep osprey]

Sha was way longer

[shadow ibex]

idr mantid queen

[sour forge]

I missed mop

But that sounds awful

I thought raz in DF was bad

[shadow ibex]

you lusted twice yea

it was a different game

[steep osprey]

Yeah but the fights are easier

Much easier

And we don’t know if sha is gonna be Prenerf

[shadow ibex]

i wonder how garajel will be in s1

that fight was insanely tuned

at least for us we were 10 man

[steep osprey]

Players are way better now

[shadow ibex]

oh yea

but it was a super tight check

im surprised it doesnt get brought up in whatever boss tier list by X content creator

[steep osprey]

Garrosh is a very easy fight compared to current ones

[shadow ibex]

that was when being able to move and do rotation was like the skill ceiling

[minor gust]

I peaked solo tanking Garrosh on brewmaster

and its been all down hill from there

[shadow ibex]

mine was dbts tanking our first raden kill

never got the boots from ToT 😦

[smoky kayak]

idk if I'd go that far, Garrosh had a lot of moving parts

certainly wasn't the kind of WA dependent encounter we have now, but it was a multiphase fight (with a lot of phases), requiring a great deal of setup and choreography to remember

you had to dance in and out of several mechanics, several random people getting MC'd at the same time, add kiting, iron star baiting, iron star kiting

the fight got nerfed into oblivion when the WoD prepatch came out, so that's how most people remember it, but it really wasn't a joke of a fight before that

[tacit lodge]

I’m just hoping I can still be a mythic raider in my assisted living facility in 2075

[sour forge]

Sbr was already introduced

[analog smelt]

is the alternate mythic+ slayer spec on wowhead good for like groups of mob?

thix one

[azure onyx]

arms rotation seems so boring now, what happened to the spec

[crystal wing]

can anyone tell me when i press cleave, regarding target count/sweeping strikes

1. how many targets should i start pressing cleave on without sweeping strikes and 2. how many targets should i use cleave on with sweeping strikes up

[tacit crystal]

3

[crystal wing]

should i use cleave on 3 targets while i have sweeping strikes tho

or does it just not change anything

[minor gust]

3T CLEAVE > MS > OP
2T MS > OP > CLEAVE
1T MS > OP > SLAM

[crystal wing]

o7 ty

[smoky kayak]

its for people who really don't like Colossus

[analog smelt]

i enjoyed that one more for some reason

although i do like colossus too haha

[earnest imp]

there any changes on ptr talents for collusus arms?

my english not good lol, same build for keys on ptr?

[tacit crystal]

yeah

you might just take sks instead of something else

but its the saem

[balmy kindle]

SKS worth the button again heh

[tacit crystal]

maybe only in raid

but

[minor gust]

you will be taking SKS in all content as colossus

[tacit crystal]

w

the keybinding is waiting

[grand idol]

Im assuming sks will just be held and used, almost exclusively, after demolish right?

[minor gust]

if you have the bleed amp up press it no need to think to hard about it

[boreal hawk]

hows the damage in m+ ptr of arms ? someone tested?

[slow saddle]

Good? We got better

Relative to others dno

[lime frigate]

When do I use Best-in-Slots if I'm also running HoC? I assume every other CS+Bladestorm?

(yes, I asked a similar question in the Fury channel lol I don't know for either spec)

[slow saddle]

Just macro it to cs id say

[tacit crystal]

just next available cs

[calm hollow]

I just use it on CD

Like the robot does in sims

[slow saddle]

for the love of wow

cant they just artificially buff COL to be better in ST

i just wanna do 1 raid tier as col without being a troller

[balmy kindle]

Make Colo like 2-3% worse and I will be happy

Ultimately slayer aoe is really bad

[slow saddle]

isnt it like that atm ?

300k below

ahh closer to 10%

nwm

[balmy kindle]

Sorry my math is bad

[slow saddle]

my math aint mathing

[balmy kindle]

Still very happy as a H only guy, can't wait for s3

[dim basalt]

You will play Slayer for almost every boss

Just like right now

So it doesnt matter whether slayer aoe is bad or not

[balmy kindle]

it doesn't matter on heroic

But if juggernaut is gone in s3 I might give slayer another go

[dim basalt]

Thats not gonna happen

[balmy kindle]

Not gonna play a less fun spec for marginal gains in heroic though

[heavy bane]

Why are all high m+ rating warriors nelfs

[thick kelp]

Shadowmeld

[astral yarrow]

nelf/dorf is op

[golden smelt]

Has anyone been doing much PTR testing? I'm competitive for top spot in 14ish keys on live but seemed to be getting gapped in 10-15s on the PTR

[dim basalt]

Arms is not doing too well in keys on ptr

We have a good set but so do other specs

[grave mulch]

Who knows there could be bugs or something with the teir set.

[dim basalt]

We would very likely know about them at this point

[golden smelt]

Aye, it really isn't, I'm inhaling some serious copium hoping there are some reworks & tuning incoming for arms and fury

[dim basalt]

Too unlikely to happen with this patch

Patch is due in 5 or 6 weeks

[golden smelt]

The prot rework came out of nowhere right? Maybe there's something in the pipeline

[dim basalt]

I mean it came with the ptr opening patch

And I believe its fair to assume that a Fury / Arms rework wouldve arrived with the same patch

[shadow ibex]

No reason to expect one. They wouldn't be quiet about it

Not some super secret stuff waiting to drop. They would talk about anything major in works

Frost dk rework is probably in promotional material and YouTube shorts atp

[golden smelt]

Yea that's a fair assumption, just wishful thinking on my part

[plucky flicker]

Is Arterial Bleed worth for Colossus for M+ because of the tier set or One Against many is still just better ?

[thick kelp]

the gap is closer in aoe but still favours 1v5

[plucky flicker]

How about Bloodborne ? worth to get it ?

[thick kelp]

Depends what you lose for it

[plucky flicker]

I don't think 2x on bloodborne is worth losing Exblows or sharpened blades or SoA/DN

[thick kelp]

Possibly

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOBUVBFFQhIVIpRUBANVVEFVRVVQkVQFCFFEFVVUBV this page so far has felt the best for me

[plucky flicker]

Same seems like you only have one flex point for either EP or 1x on Bloodborne

Since SkS is mandatory now

[thick kelp]

Wouldnt exactly call it mandatory but I have found it helping ST fair bit

[olive nest]

BB point is pretty good value with sks especially

[plucky flicker]

But 5% just seems underwhelming feely wise, Idk why they nerfed it back in 11.1 ptr

Seems like a good time to revert it because Bleeds are relevant again

[olive nest]

5% is decent number when bleeds do a large portion of your damage

Just is a “boring” feeling yeah

[shadow ibex]

Just tired of playing the same shit

For the most part biggest variation all expac has been sks or not

No pathway changes even

[olive topaz]

I think since not much changed from DF > TWW Arms and Fury have both started to feel pretty stale

[spiral coral]

Your logical takes

are way too fuckin’ logical okay

I think we won’t get rework till midnight

[shadow ibex]

We said that in df about tww

[spiral coral]

And like @shadow ibex said it won’t be secret and likely hyped and an ad

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-duck-gif-13236181837901593958

[spiral coral]

I think left s3 of DF or so to complete osrs lol

It’s a fever dream watching Soda poppin play lmao

[wary chasm]

idk bout that one chief

arms cooking

[dim basalt]

Doesnt seem like the others were pressing their buttons ngl

Especially the shadow

Theyre cranking hard atm

[wary chasm]

ye had some problems but all g

i was tanking for critcake and i think he pumped in this key for not knowing what every mob did

and on 2nd boss arms really shined

especially with funnel into 2 target lust cleave

[sick leaf]

When yall are pulling big packs, 10+ mobs, are you throwing down thunder clap x 2 when off cooldown to get more rend out there? Or do you just TC on pull?

[dim basalt]

On live servers? Just on pull

[sick leaf]

Yea live servers

So no value on getting it on more than 5 targets?

[olive nest]

If you somehow get to a point where you can’t
cleave > ms > op
Then yeah sure you could TC again to try and rend more targets if they’re going to live for a chunk of the rend duration

Majority of our damage comes from cleave though and setting up big collaterals

[sick leaf]

Cool, thnx. I’m running 16/17s, and rarely break 5mm damage so trying to figure out if I’m not rending enough

90% of the time I end in the 4.5-4.7 range. Other 10% is below/above by small amount

Thought maybe I was messing up the rend

Probably just not setting up for the big cleaves very well

[olive nest]

More often than not that is the case yeah

Also depends if the tank pulls a lot when you have nice big collateral setup

You could have a 20 stack collateral + rav demo wb etc go into 5 mobs

[plush smelt]

Idk i dont think this picture validates much. We dont know if those other dps are mouthbreathers or not. Or trying some weird ptr tech that isnt working out. Could be that arms slaps tho im just saying its definitely dependent on tank pulls and other dps compentency

[untold pewter]

Ok but let's not pretend most folks here can reach Crits' damage kek

Still, Arms is fine

[plush smelt]

Ya like critcake is gonna clown on most all above avg gamers anyways in keys

But ya at the very least arms looks solidly playable in keys which is fun

[untold pewter]

Side topic: Am I wrong to think that hogging uptime will be mandatory with the next slayer raid tier?

I mean obviously it kind of already is if you want to game SD/Jugg but with that becoming the "norm", I wonder how much Arms will get nuked by random mechanics

[plush smelt]

If random/required mechanics exist that nuke arms uptime then ST fury will be playable on other bossfights

Which is fine

[rare kite]

already is mandatory. nothing new

[plush smelt]

Spec diversity is a good thing

[untold pewter]

Sigh I dig helping with mechanics in raid

Shit upkeep playstyle

[rare kite]

shouldn't have picked warrior if you like helping with mechanics hahah. giga greedy class

[untold pewter]

Nah

[plush smelt]

Idk i played fury on mugzee cause i was assigned into a prison and lost jugg stacks everytime before lust exe phase

And my mental was shattering losing em

[untold pewter]

Only 5 stacks tho but yeah

[rare kite]

i think he means he swapped to fury coz of arms dropping jugg stacks

[untold pewter]

I play warrior all specs since Legion
Wasnt always like this at all

Used to be able to parse 95%+ just fine by only being greedy during execute phase, now it's the whole damn fight

Talking Mythic of course

[untold pewter]

Makes sense, I almost did the same but instead didn't assing myself to a cage

Except when the boss decided to put it on me, fucking nightmare

[plush smelt]

Ya we had pretty a pretty bad comps for cages but w/e

[rare kite]

yupp same. for arms atleast, this has been the worst playstyle imo, tho i didn't play arms in nathria.

[plush smelt]

At least new tierset offsets the rng needed to upkeep jugg stacks a bit

[rare kite]

yeah, bandaid is better than nothing

[plush smelt]

But id rather they just lower the jugg timer and stacks needed to cap out

So you cant upkeep jugg stacks pre-execute

But stacking is faster once youre there

[untold pewter]

Nathria was a pain tier for both specs regardless

[plush smelt]

I wouldnt know i only started playing this expac

But i heard shadowlands was hell on earth

[untold pewter]

Yeah I dig the bandaid upgrade because as it is now I genuinely refuse to game the procs to maintain Jugg uptime, degenerate playstyle

But welp, guess I won't be doing mechanics anymore lmao

Team can still top execution mugzee and gally anyway so I just won't be doing that for the rest of the tier

[shadow ibex]

I don't think anyone has been concerned about damage

It's just stale

[olive nest]

Think WW monk / BM hunter are the best at doing mechanics.
Maybe ass rogue? I know they do a lot of dot damage not sure how much uptime matters for them

[untold pewter]

Yeah this tier I was torturing our WW

So I could at least attempt to not lose jugg stacks

But fuck that playstyle man... Sigh

[olive nest]

Jug gamba gets old quick when you frequently drop stacks between 35-40% hp

[rare kite]

Doesn't even feel that good to keep the stacks going into 35% you're just glad you didnt drop them...

[latent moss]

same as always

playing AM = fucked by downtime

[olive nest]

Yeah no doubt, really would like it if they just persisted while in combat

[latent moss]

especially arms which revolves around spending and getting resets

to generate u need to autoattack as well

[lunar remnant]

Should I come back for P3 are the tier sets gonna save us?

[weak rain]

What if they made this set to compensate for jugg removal in today's build?

[latent moss]

both sets fuck

[olive nest]

Jugg removal would be good if they buff natural sudden death /execute

[latent moss]

gameplay wise its up to you

[latent moss]

remove jugg buff execute by some number that equals our current dps

at 5 min or something

more short execute power less long execute power

more sd power

[olive nest]

Yes that would be fantastic

[flint plank]

We got any PTR cooks for arms m+?

[hexed snow]

Arms on gally, yay or nay?

[olive nest]

I do it

[dim basalt]

Arms is fine on Gally

[olive nest]

You won’t have BS back up for first add set a majority of pulls unless your team delays kick

[dim basalt]

And yeah ^

[olive nest]

Other than that feels good to play

[dim basalt]

Without delay it kinda sucks

With delay its pretty smooth

[hexed snow]

We delay

We basically have time to do almost a 180

[olive nest]

Then hell yeah you’ll be able to pop off

Snipe jug duration refresh on each add set if possible

[hexed snow]

For fury I have like it up

[hexed snow]

Adds die quick but sounds good,

Technician snipe

Guessing we hold BS for every add phase?

[minor gust]

Of course

[dim basalt]

Yeah but it usually lines up well and you dont have to hold long

[tacit crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1380846657582661682/wigglin_it_rn_care_to_join.gif

[dim basalt]

Except for third adds

[hexed snow]

This question also applies for Fury I guess, There is a mark where - Gally enters his P2 (goes into middle) a bunch of adds spawn and Avatar is generally not up

Thats like the 4th adds (with the add someone has to kick)

As a fury I feel like thats where I fuck up the most idk

I just do Reck + Bladestorm and then hold avatar a bit until I get reck + bladestorm back

[minor gust]

If you want ava for that set you need to hold ava on pull for the first add sey

[hexed snow]

For arms, what is the case there?

[hexed snow]

Right... is that the go to play or?

[dim basalt]

Top logs have both variants

iirc

[minor gust]

Depends on your raid comp

[hexed snow]

Hmmmm it varies nowadays

trials in-out

[minor gust]

If you guys are killing intermission adds super quick like before your bladestorm finishes it's not worth

[hexed snow]

The p2 adds yeah? They generally die right around the bladestorm finishes

Let me check VOD xD

[minor gust]

[fresh spire]

[tacit crystal]

my enh got 3 more ilvl on its neck

wooooooo

[olive nest]

Oh hey I can socket vex helm today and gain some number

That’s cool

[hexed snow]

Latest kill on Fury - Adds died like immediately as my bladestorm ended

My Vod was down so had to look at our Shammy Pov

[minor gust]

If you're progging Gally as arms and intermission add dmg is not a problem I would just send ava on CD on pull. If you want to parse/pad and your raid is lacking a lil add AOE you can hold your first ava for first add set which will line it up for intermission.

[tacit crystal]

@silk spade help me

[olive nest]

With the last 3% buff this week it’s almost surely a play for boss damage angle at this point

Sweep what you can

[hexed snow]

Lets do this then

[olive nest]

Adds fall over in my raid so I’ll probably just play for boss damage this week too

Even the non intermission adds

Our Evoker smokes every add set

[hexed snow]

Those adds actually dont fall

Like technician + big guy idk why

Some ppl trolling i guess

[swift crown]

How are you poor in WoW

[swift crown]

Evoker is a fair and balanced class

[tacit crystal]

one of my alts i didnt send godl to

and i bought stuff for new neck

so gg

[swift crown]

Why do you not have all your gold in Warbank

[tacit crystal]

dunno

[olive nest]

Wait is that a thing?

Lmao…

[latent moss]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOBUVBFFQhIVIpRUBANVVEFVRVVQkVQFCFFEFVVUBV

[sharp wyvern]

delete sks

[latent moss]

could experiment with imp ss over collat especially in pugs i think

and 2x bb over 1x bb + soa

[olive nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059542375900385340/1387829551274393881/image.png?ex=68655bfd&is=68640a7d&hm=6c9596025511459953e0b1431f356208c0c8c021bd5631f1c214c9bab45fb8ba&

Wahle smort

This is the way

[minor gust]

I've tried a bit of improved SS I don't like it collateral is just such strong dmg

[latent moss]

yeah its prolly better

than imp ss

imp ss is meh

with blademasters

idk if walhe simmed that i just copied from him

arterial bleeds with 1x bb and collat seems wrong

surely 1v5 gains huge value from collat

one against many w/e its called

[olive nest]

That’s one against many right

Yeah

[latent moss]

ye that

[minor gust]

I wouldnt drop a BB point just swap imp SS for collat even with arterial cleave and collat still truck without OAM

[olive nest]

I’d bet arterial bleeds is still strong even with collat simply because bleeds contribute so much to the breakdown