arms

[tacit crystal]

ill ask again when i return from outside

[sacred zodiac]

foot in the grave

[dull siren]

real

[heady smelt]

kinda random but i used to have a battle shout reminder weakara that showed the names of players not buffed with the icon to know if you need to hit it or not, mine started getting lua errors so i replaced

i was curious if anyone had a fixed version!

[void bay]

ive never needed a BS WA because holy shit do other players tell you if they dont have it

"warr battleshout ffs"

[dusk badger]

guys i can not rich 5+ mln dps in overall on my ARMS spec in 678ilvl. only about 3-3.3

has anyone had such a problem and then realized what needs to be done to give normal numbers? Can you tell me?

[shadow ibex]

i just wish we didnt have dragonflying on last boss

made sense in DF cuz it was new mech but man if that's something they wanna do for penultimate/ultimate boss of expacs

[tacit crystal]

tmy

[carmine lantern]

Charged bolts still bis?

[reef glade]

Hap birday silver junkrat 50k dps weapon @hexed saddle

[wintry scroll]

Bro just spam it when u have nothing to do

I thought every warrior does that

[shadow ibex]

me and the other warrior looking at eachother when someone gets bres and they say rebuff

[minor gust]

I check details and see bros having a great pull. Dont worry king I got the rebuff keep blasting

[shadow ibex]

used to be 3 of us

prot war and 2 dps

but i think tank is going bdk

prot war demo on gally adds

[tacit crystal]

#updates-midnight message

[hexed saddle]

thank u swordish

[reef glade]

👍

[magic canopy]

:o xan bday hap

https://tenor.com/view/cat-birthday-happy-birthday-grumpy-upset-gif-11772180648927318851

[hexed saddle]

tyty madox

[tacit crystal]

HaPPY birfhfyd day

[hexed saddle]

its not my birthday anymore

[tacit crystal]

bro...

say thank you

[hexed saddle]

its not my birthday

[tacit crystal]

blwo up

[serene thicket]

Any early ptr info? How we looking?

[scenic sequoia]

Gio anytime someone says something he doesn't like

also Blow up*

[boreal hawk]

how the fk farover crit etc close with such highs overalls on some dungeons, that's insane

[void bay]

streamer buff

[boreal hawk]

farover streams too?

[stable fiber]

i think its solid, colossus looks top tier if there is any aoe and can be a snipy spec with add spawns (like fury warrior was), pretty good throughput on bosses with consistent aoe or 2 target cleave.

Slayer is overshadowed by colossus on most of the fights just because it isnt great at anything more than 2 target and also is just worse than colossus on 2 target now, pure ST or execute heavy bosses slayer could still see play on.

(take this with a grain of salt as i didnt try slayer on every boss, nor did i try colossus on every boss, it also was only 4 hours of raid testing on 4 very different bosses)

[void bay]

Yes, but only in the Dzongkha language for the people of Bhutan

[jade cargo]

thats some voodoo magic here

[scenic umbra]

Fury slayer stronk arms colossus stronk but niche, thane useless arms slayer shit

That was my take from yesterday

Wasnt able to try everything on every boss

But more or less

Hunter dh sp and both shams op as fck

[stable fiber]

spriest was a surprise to me

[scenic umbra]

Even with the nerf

[stable fiber]

boomkin i knew was good, but not THAT good

[scenic umbra]

They fucking slap

Our boomie went heal for the ptr but looks strong yeah

[stable fiber]

i thought on the first boss that spriest was good because of multidotting

then on the 3 target boss i was outdpsing both the spriests

then on fractillus i got shit on by both of them

[thick kelp]

Boomies casually banking 100mil+ starsurges

definetly not gamebreaking

[stable fiber]

i was in a normal ptr raid testing

which scales you down to 663 ilvl and on

[scenic umbra]

We did the 4 bosses in hc, but it was more or less the same

[stable fiber]

fractillus he was doing 5m st dps like 3 minutes into the pull

its crazy

at 663 ilvl

[scenic umbra]

Yeah they will catch another nerf for sure

Hahahaaha

And hunter as well

Seeing a murloc icon doing 500mill dmg on a figh

[stable fiber]

i think boomkin can do a stupid amount on the 4th boss btw

[scenic umbra]

Not funny

[stable fiber]

we had a bm hunter who zoned into the raid missing 15 talents points in the bm side of his tree and he was 4th on the meters

https://tenor.com/view/icant-flamby-bttv-i-cannot-lol-gif-24977725

[eager sigil]

everyone is the same ilvl mate

[stable fiber]

yes im aware

its the fact he was doing

5 million st dps AT 663

on live we are currently 684

[eager sigil]

yea their set is just bugged

[high field]

buff warrior

[latent moss]

this is a sign we are cooked

[hexed snow]

A sign we are cooked

Indeed

[minor gust]

[hexed snow]

At least slayer jugg uptime is 90%

[dim basalt]

Isn't it already 90%

Yeah 85-90

[hexed snow]

I gave it a flat higher value cuz it looks better

[slow saddle]

95%

Sounds better

[shadow ibex]

Fuck slayer

Sick play same build all expac

[hexed snow]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-side-eye-meme-tiktok-the-pointer-brothers-gif-13730785519279791710

[slow saddle]

Slayer or juggernaut

1 needs to go

[shadow ibex]

Can't wait to run same talents all saga

[snow flame]

warrior reowkr in midnights

it's so massive they coudlnt do it any other time

[shadow ibex]

Cosmetic rage for cosmic baddies

[slow saddle]

Facts, maaaybe if we lucky. We get to play

Improved sweep

[shadow ibex]

Sks good or nor

Arms build variety

[sharp wyvern]

Pls no

[slow saddle]

Col good

Slayer no

Also give bl talent

[sharp wyvern]

Delete skullsplitter or make it onslaught

[slow saddle]

That makes ms add 3 secs to rend

[hexed snow]

Holy copium

[sharp wyvern]

Make skullsplitter give 2 OP stacks for more MS dmg

[shadow ibex]

Guys do I need tclap over rend

Can't wait to read that all saga

[sharp wyvern]

Idk why but rend feels like such an outdated thing for arms

And then they try to make dots good

And it never feels good

[shadow ibex]

I wouldn't mind if it didn't feel like cata talents

Let something extend or refresh it like anyone else

[sharp wyvern]

Only below 35%

Now that i think about it If skullsplitter refreshed rend I wouldn't mind it as much

[hexed snow]

Cooking

[foggy quiver]

have anyone tested the demolish tier set with champions spear?

is it any good?

[hexed snow]

@foggy quiver

If anyone else would like to add some PTR early testing of warrior please do, I just managed to time when Khazix wrote that so that was the first message I see

[slow saddle]

What if ms did? With bl

[sharp wyvern]

cause we cant have nice things

and already have deep wounds

[dim basalt]

Sks or MS doesn't matter because Sks has a low cd

Well, it wouldn't matter if it hasted the bleeds...

[sharp wyvern]

if they would make MS refresh rend always then just buff deep wounds and remove rend

whats the point of rend at that point

but whats the point of rend right now

[dim basalt]

Might as well remove it now

Just because it is a legacy ability we don't have to keep it lol

[sharp wyvern]

i also think having bloodletting buff roar is kinda cringe cause that means we will never use spear

[dim basalt]

Spear needs a rework anyway

[sharp wyvern]

i kinda wish spear would be ST and roar aoe

[shadow ibex]

They need to just merge spear talents under avatar

And make spear utility

No reason to have so much set up it just feels silly in aoe

You can just tie spear crit dmg to reck under avatar

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-square-pants-animation-cartoon-comedy-complete-gif-3376893

[spiral coral]

Spear as a just general aoe ability would be cool as fuck

[shadow ibex]

No instead we need 3 90 second cooldowns

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-duck-gif-13236181837901593958

[sharp wyvern]

maybe thats what they are talking about when mentioning utility
make spear viable so we can tether stuff

[half vine]

whats utility?

[sharp wyvern]

piercing howl

[half vine]

if it's utility it goes into the shaman class

and allow them to still be top #'s

[blissful tree]

i guess with new 4p slayer you only press ms in execute phase to refresh rend?

[shadow ibex]

You still use for ep

[blissful tree]

na. not taking ep at all.

just spam execute

[shadow ibex]

You don't have any other good st increases that row

So not really a point to drop it

[blissful tree]

maybe put that point into deft for 2/2

but execute dmg is so much more then a fully 2 ep ms

[sharp wyvern]

No

Only with SD

Even at 15 jugg stacks 2ep MS hits for more

And don't forget you fill with OP sometimes

[hexed snow]

@blissful tree Are you talking about PTR?

[blissful tree]

yeah. i said "new slayer 4p"

[hexed snow]

right

Missed that

[thick kelp]

you play the exact same as you did in s2 👍

[blissful tree]

i really really dont think so. i'm just talking about the execute phase.

[boreal quartz]

î think walhe knows better 👍

[blissful tree]

and 15 stack juggernaut does so much more dmg then a fully stacked ms

[boreal quartz]

does it

[thick kelp]

100k dps loss to only MS to refresh rend

over spending 2ep

2/2 deft is extremly bad vs ep

[blissful tree]

you dont need to press ms for refresh because bladestorm will do the job every 25 secs

but i dont know. was asking. and i'm just looking at my detail numbers

and even a 2/2 EP ms with brutal finish does not outdmg my executes

[thick kelp]

Here is your answer

here is with 2/2 deft>EP on the MS TO REND page

[boreal quartz]

wonder who made those sims

[thick kelp]

Dentge

[boreal quartz]

frfr

[blissful tree]

ok. i maybe get it. but then, imo, should ms do more dmg to consider pressing it in the execute phase.

or am i overlooking something?

[shadow ibex]

Convince blizzard to buff something so we don't take ep

[blissful tree]

but why taking ep if a 2 ep ms does not more dmg then my execute?

this is all ptr stuff. i guess u know that i'm talking about that. not retail.

[thick kelp]

Execute damage

Mortal strike

[thick kelp]

yep these are ptr sims

[blissful tree]

i guess the first numbers are 15 stacks of juggernaut right?

[serene thicket]

Anyone done keys on ptr? Looks like arcane/boomie still dominate overall

[thick kelp]

the numbers below Max are the jugg 15 numbers

the ones around Min are at low jugg stacks

[tacit crystal]

good morning phil walhe

[thick kelp]

gm gala57

[blissful tree]

maybe i was looking to hard at my max numbers in my detail.

[tacit crystal]

explode

[thick kelp]

Most likely

[blissful tree]

and then i thought, why taking EP when a full ep ms does not outdmg my 15 stacked jugg execute

[boreal quartz]

Gumo

[rare kite]

Even if a 2ep ms did a tiny bit less a 2ep 2mp would make ep worth

[eager sigil]

also you arent at 15stacks for alot of the fight

[sharp wyvern]

But what if you get good rng

[shadow ibex]

But what if jug fuckin died

[slow saddle]

Jug n tom died

Double funeral

[celest forge]

So close to 3k raider IO, I can taste it

[jade cargo]

make MS great again
right, @sage badge

[sage badge]

Right

[jade cargo]

Hello, @gloomy summit how are you

[gloomy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/get-blown-up-dog-dog-explosion-sticky-notes-gif-17071604041793579031

[jade cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-cat-confused-math-aint-mathing-huh-cat-gif-883992111571860857

[simple kite]

Hello warriors, i wanted to test out slayer arms for m+ and i've seen these kind of talents used:

In AoE, Do we press Whirlwind in that setup or we just cleave using cleaving strike ?

[thick kelp]

This is a slayer ST build

[sour forge]

This looks like a raid build

[simple kite]

Got it from murlok.io: https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/slayer/mm+

Seems that player using Slayer in M+ using raid talents ?

[wary raft]

click this

[simple kite]

Yes clicked on Slayer to see slayer talents

I know that most of them use Colossus which make sense, wanted to see want talents used top slayer player in m+, clicked Slayer, seems that's it's raid build in M+.
Supposed that they are running that in keys, do you press Whirlwind ever ? x)

[thick kelp]

If they are running that in keys

they are being boosted

[wary raft]

^

[thick kelp]

and standing afk at the start

[wary raft]

wowhead has a slightly different build

that runs cleave and not juggernaut

and I think it drops crit thinking too

cleave fuck good

realistically it probably shows that because theres not enough of a sample size of slayer arms in keys

or what its doing is

[thick kelp]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/DAOAUVFRFQhIVIpRUBAOVVEVURVFUkFQFQCEEEFVVUBV

[wary raft]

scannign top key people and taking the slayer build they log out in

[thick kelp]

just play this as slayer in keys

[wary raft]

which is raid every time

[simple kite]

Ok, got it got misleaded by murlok io then, maybe warcraft logs is a better approach ? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/43?class=Warrior&spec=Arms&heroTree=60

[thick kelp]

wowhead

i linked the build to use

as slayer

[simple kite]

Yeah they mostly use the wowhead one aswell, with a maybe sometime one point different

[sour forge]

Are you stuck on playing slayer?

[simple kite]

Wanted to Bladestorm

[sour forge]

Jw cause col is typically better

Roger that

[simple kite]

so yeah

[shadow ibex]

You think anyone has copied them in raid build and done a key

It must be good it's their spec

[errant pulsar]

Hey, planning on getting a log for my friend but just wanted ask for now. He's new to arms and i don't personally play it. Could anyone tell me straight of details what he should improve on

He's new to the game so any feedback on damage would be appreciated

[void bay]

https://tenor.com/view/log-cabin-log-logged-get-logged-lolol-gif-20978297

(sorry I don't play arms)

[torn oracle]

Immediately from looking at the details photo, should have higher uptime on rend and deep wounds

[hexed snow]

Is this dungeon/AOE?

[errant pulsar]

yes

[hexed snow]

Needs to click Cleave way much more

Thunderclap to apply rend more

[hexed snow]

Cleave should be his number one damage

[spiral coral]

why tho

[hexed snow]

I'd say more or less like,

Cleave more
Use thunderclap on AoE instead of having rend
Slam less
If he goes EP then he needs to execute aswell

Just simple advice just from what I see on the details

[errant pulsar]

What does EP mean?

haha i don't play warrior myself so idk

[hexed snow]

Executioners precision

[wind flicker]

Arterial bleed trust the process

Unironically bleed build banging

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-nonono-smh-rage-gif-4934614

[void bay]

Fury is actually fun

[spiral coral]

They’re all fun

[sharp wyvern]

fury always is fun on ptr

i actually dont enjoy arms slayer rn

[hexed snow]

y not?

[sharp wyvern]

juggernault

[hexed snow]

im jugging

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-whtie-and-black-cry-praying-looking-up-gif-553441503240360994

Me seing my 90+ log go because I didnt proc a SD for over 15 seconds

[shadow ibex]

Playing arms in raid feels like dog shit

[hexed snow]

surely you are lying right 💔 🥀

[shadow ibex]

In LoM? Hell no I ain't lying

[hexed snow]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-cry-crybaby-gif-15843159

back2fury we go

[sharp wyvern]

imagine how bad its gonna feel when you can have jugg at 15 stacks the entire time unless you get a mechanic in S3

at least fury jugg only has 5 stacks

[umbral gyro]

Hey. Hows Arms doing on ptr ?

[sharp wyvern]

[shadow ibex]

worse than fury

[umbral gyro]

Overall or just dmg?

[shadow ibex]

doesnt really matter right now

tuning isnt a thing

[umbral gyro]

Thats why I asking . Is it only dmg or a overall thing?

[latent moss]

i assume thats a dungeon. cleave is way too low and so is demolish also overpower is way too high. prio in aoe is cleave>ms>op and on st its ms>op>exe if you can>slam. uptime on dots seems low as well

[shadow ibex]

arms plays how it plays now

[umbral gyro]

So the only thing is dmg Then?

[sharp wyvern]

it will feel alot worse to lose jugg

thats the only difference

[slow saddle]

I mean

Can it feel worse, than now?

[candid pecan]

its always dmg

+16 new dungeon on the PTR

druid died 4 times

but still...

[slow saddle]

We all know hunter tuning is crai crai

[celest forge]

6.7m damn alright you pumped, do you have a log?

[slow saddle]

Also surv is insane

[celest forge]

Oh PTR nevermind

[slow saddle]

8.6m is insane

[candid pecan]

idk, the tier set is great but thats about it, nothing changed

[shadow ibex]

bleeds should be a little higher

cuz of sks

[slow saddle]

Arent they pretty high?

Ms gets free crit

And cleave fucks

[shadow ibex]

they do like 15% of our dmg in keys on live i think

combined

[slow saddle]

U arent playin bleed talent

[candid pecan]

no, one against many

[shadow ibex]

yea you drop 1v5

[slow saddle]

No?

Isnt cleave still to big

[candid pecan]

did a +15 with the same guys before and idk... dont think arterial bleed is worth

[shadow ibex]

i mean we're all probably p bad at keeping rend up in packs

no shade/flame but i dont think many of us are keeping it up 100% cuz we havent had to these tiers

cuz we dont have 100% dmg amp

[candid pecan]

that is true

[shadow ibex]

i mean maybe someone wants to askshually and say they keep it up all time in current tier keys every pull but i doubt it

that's gonna be a lot more relevant next tier when its dealing double dam

[slow saddle]

Clap ia just better with sweep then

Interresting to c how often we gonna clap then

[shadow ibex]

letting rend fall off next tier is gonna be p cringe

[celest forge]

My details doesn't look like that at all clearly need some fixes to break thru 4m overall wall

[shadow ibex]

part of your 2pc power budget is dedicated to x2 its dmg

[celest forge]

What's your average demolish?

[shadow ibex]

or 4pc idr where the rend dam is

[stable fiber]

if you are keeping rend up on all packs every pull you are playing the spec wrong icl

rend does fuck all damage when you can push cleave, op or sweep mortal strikes of which all do way more damage

[minor gust]

Pretty sure he was mostly talking about next tier which yes keeping up bleeds will be important for keys

[teal fossil]

on a per press basis rend def does more than op

even taking account of OP buffing cleave

MS and cleave is harder to say since they make colossus stacks

[stable fiber]

a humble target cap of 5 probably isnt doing great in a priory or cinderbrew

[halcyon valve]

So rend can do 3% of your damage instead of 1.5%

[stable fiber]

depends on the scenario though i suppose

i always open with atleast a single tclap when going into a pack of any size

[teal fossil]

heres the thing, mathematically, if rend actually does less than your rotational buttons

then you would literally never press it

DOTs are not strong on a DPS basis

they are strong on a Damage per press basis

[hazy flower]

In real life scenario you would sometimes press it tho

[teal fossil]

or DPET

[hazy flower]

Rend is over time

So even if it does less

You can do it during gathers

[halcyon valve]

Highly situational
No buffs, no rend applied, yeah rend does more damage
literally any dmg buff active, op clears by a mile
(Current patch)

[hazy flower]

Even if it did very little damage

5 dps>0 dps

[teal fossil]

ya

like how i throw during gathers

[teal fossil]

damage buffs affect OP and rend equally

its just that rend is overtime so not all of rends damage may be amped

[hazy flower]

Only mastery is snapshotted?

I think

Idk if it still is

[teal fossil]

you know when i was first starting wow

my friend gaslit me into using shattering throw

prepull

for that 1 free gcd of slam damage

[hazy flower]

Xd thats a bit cringe ngl

But ig

[teal fossil]

not even wrecking throw

the channeled version

[halcyon valve]

There are currently 3 separate dmg buffs just for overpower
Colossal might stacks / slayers opportunist, and tier set

[hazy flower]

Ye

[stable fiber]

shattering throw use to reduce armor though

so depends on the version

[teal fossil]

shadowlands version where all it did was crack shields

[stable fiber]

yeah thats cooked

[teal fossil]

i mean technically it is A optimization

just like how wrecking throw>slam technically

in APL

just that its too cringe

[hazy flower]

Ye but realistically

Thinking about it sometimes

Can actually cause you losing dps

Say you always do it and youre that 1 sec slower to the pack or something idk

Just not worth to do it

Just like u can use heroic leap for damage

Even if you know you wont need it 100%

Thinking about it is just not worth for 99.999% of playerbase

[stable fiber]

is that actually even true

[latent moss]

yes

wrecking throw

has ms ap%

just no modifiers

i think it has more actually

[teal fossil]

it also ignores armor

which kind of goes crazy

[latent moss]

how hard does it hit against shields

should be giga

[teal fossil]

pretty giga

[stable fiber]

think its 16m on gallywix

[teal fossil]

on ST

[halcyon valve]

For me it does anywhere from 14 to 17 million, roughly

[latent moss]

it should throw>slam

[teal fossil]

ya

throw>cleave>slam

on slayer ST apparently

[latent moss]

ye it is

[stable fiber]

i just thought since slam can proc tactician (opportunist as well) that wrecking throw would be worse

didnt know it did the same damage as a unbuffed ms though ngl

[latent moss]

it should be doing more

higher ap im pretty sure and ignores armor

ye 600% ap

ms is like 580%

[stable fiber]

wrecking throw cant crit though

right

or is that just on shields

[latent moss]

no clue

prolly cant

cause it would swing extremely hard

on shields

[stable fiber]

yeah it cant crit

[latent moss]

esp in pvp

[stable fiber]

@ wowhead page for wrecking throw

[latent moss]

i remember in df monk cocoon getting onetapped by wrecking throw and ms right after

[stable fiber]

on average it probably makes it worse than MS then

[latent moss]

imagine if it crit

insta gone

i mean its worse for sure

ms interacts with a lot of shit

[stable fiber]

well yeah

also crushing force as a talent

[fresh spire]

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-fish-fish-appear-talk-to-me-gif-27073651

[fresh spire]

happened when pvp first had its time to get pounded by it after the buff in .5

😄

so many clips of monk cacoon insantly broken

[fresh spire]

[minor gust]

when fishy speaks

we listen

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/come-nelle-to-make-history-we-were-born-7zqs-nilah-gif-3490893193684854002

im the one on the left

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/talk-fish-talk-to-fish-chat-aquarium-gif-26292693

[fresh spire]

imagine seeing this bad boy in st

as SD usable is way more flexable and fun now

[minor gust]

if it means we basically ignore jugg now slayer will feel better but I still want a break and have a colossus tier

[fresh spire]

well, sorta

[latent moss]

i remember monks

crying

so hard

about arms being broken

spear all cds

running away

cocoon

wrecking throw

gone

ms

[latent moss]

hp bar gone

2 shot

problem?

[fresh spire]

reasons to press execute exist

[minor gust]

so does that mean this guy @latent moss has to make a new 🐐 WA

[fresh spire]

but MFE is more powerful

bad crop.

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1347625873691377674/1348054224872673280/togif.gif

new wa

its joever

[fresh spire]

take old aura

[minor gust]

get to work chop chop

[latent moss]

its just 1 mfe

no

?

[fresh spire]

change MFE=3 to MFE>1 gg

[latent moss]

will do it once season starts

[fresh spire]

you can also natty send execute with 1 stack before a slam too

changes a bit more if Archi's jug demand comes in

[minor gust]

I cant tell if thats made things better or worse

adding more execute conditionals

[fresh spire]

it will ping more often, you sit on stacks of it way less

with archi change you could send SD if Opport/MS on cd

and give 0 shits about mfe

[minor gust]

yeah if WA gets updated it whatever but for the people doing it raw no WA more conditionals

[latent moss]

i mean its the same u just gotta

press it more

u sit on 1 mfe a lot more than 3

type shi

[fresh spire]

it will ping more

and you press it

slam will be used less, never holding a sd stack for a slam

[minor gust]

correct me if im wrong then wouldnt this mean more chances at jugg falling because your just sending SDs

ik your getting a lot more sd procs now that way if your doing current live SD conditions you can keep jugg up 90-95% of the time

[fresh spire]

MFE itself is hitting pretty hard

factor in spending SD stacks is also triggering slayer strikes which is giving marked back

[minor gust]

so basically were giving slightly less of a shit about jugg and more about MFE usage

[fresh spire]

yepo

the procs are somewhat spread out that it maintains jug to a degree

there will be times you send SD with 0 stacks just to reset jug, but for most part uptimes pretty solid

[minor gust]

I mean thats fine to me if my mental can be not really care about keeping my 15 stacks unless im about to go into 35% is good

[fresh spire]

ideal world is jug isnt cared about until 35% so we just play around with MFE stacks for bladestorms/slayer strikes/ big hits

[minor gust]

yeah but after seeing nothing on the 2nd week of notes im not expecting and jugg changes this tier

[fresh spire]

we may see something

its not jover just yet

[minor gust]

I hope but not keeping my hopes up

[fresh spire]

execute fucks

even fury execute fucks

[latent moss]

execute is cracked

[minor gust]

yeah 20% natty exe buff on tier is crazy

[fresh spire]

well all know nerf is coming as 2p value is monsterous

and arms will get hurt more than fury

[minor gust]

hey man first round of raid testing

[latent moss]

no way

[minor gust]

says were not the problem

so no nerfs here

[latent moss]

next to spriest doing 3405735 mil

and everyone

[shy tide]

i mean fully stacked jug already hit as hard as 2op 2ep MS without counting the slayer strike too

[fresh spire]

how much other shit is bugged to hell and back

[sharp wyvern]

from what ive seen on the ptr you can have rather consistent jugg uptime before execute
but this is with 100% uptime on the target
this looks like losing it is gonna hurt more than it does now since we are gonna be at higher jugg stacks than usuall

but this is also with playing around jugg uptime and not marked for execution stacks

[fresh spire]

boomkin hitting 45m hits with starsurge with their pet

[minor gust]

I saw a few 110 mil starsurge hits

[fresh spire]

[sharp wyvern]

aint no way boomkin is gonna be best ST spec while having mass aoe nieche

[minor gust]

its a kinda of a situation right now

[latent moss]

peep dms

[sharp wyvern]

but arent they just spamming 1 button for a minute to do that ?

[minor gust]

126 mil sorry

[sharp wyvern]

MS if we had 1 more multiplier

[latent moss]

900% multiplier

[fresh spire]

[minor gust]

only way we gettign nerfed is if Crit goes on Max's stream again asks for an execute boss and then puts us in S tier

then well get that unneccessary 10% exe nerf

[sharp wyvern]

should put us in F tier
then later DM max and put us in S

[latent moss]

critical strike cake...

sandbag us a bit man..

kalamazi said all 3 locks b tier

[sharp wyvern]

which was 100% accurate

[native obsidian]

All it takes is one viral clip to get hard nerfed

We are in the "vibes" era of balance

Fury still hasn't recovered from heroic dungeon week in S1

[sharp wyvern]

cant have viral boomie clips when they are sandbagging

[shadow ibex]

Execute nerf preraid

[sharp wyvern]

colossus stonks

[shadow ibex]

That 15 sec damage amp is gonna be busted for some

[sour forge]

Boomie SBR gonna double fury overalls in keys

[dull siren]

not even bug abusing correctly gg

low dryad dps

[minor gust]

F

[lunar remnant]

Fear the chicken

[stable fiber]

this has looked to be right for lock in general though

[warm fog]

That was true for this season too, just had a few outlier fights where they shone

[sly lark]

arms better or worse 11.2?

[smoky kayak]

depends on how hard we get hit by tuning

[sly lark]

any gameplay changes?

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-hood-fortune-teller-future-prediction-gif-25704815

[serene thicket]

Zig where you would zag in 11.1

[sour forge]

Press execute in slayer

[stable fiber]

tiny bit for both hero talents, slayer you will just be pushing execute more since more SD procs, colossus is also now using skullsplitter and you prio uptime on bleeds more

like before you could let rend fall off on a target and it wouldnt matter much as colossus, but now with sks and the new tier you get much more damage from your bleeds so its beneficial to care about it more, ik i let that shit fall off all the time.

[candid pecan]

as slayer the sudden death weakaura will "SWING" more often

as colossus we'll play SKS

[thin galleon]

Hate sks

[fast dust]

Is war stat dependnt ?

[rare kite]

colossus kinda. slayer and thane you'll be just fine anyway

[final dove]

did servers just die

[unkempt wren]

The only skill I hate more than Juggernaut minigame

[rare kite]

how in the world is sks even comparable to jugg minigame? sks you just press sometimes, it just makes it so you press rend a bit more

that's it

[unkempt wren]

Never said it was comparable. I said I hate it.

[stable fiber]

sks i like because it makes rend feel like a button worth pushing

[rare kite]

ok fair. why do you hate it that much tho? i don't like or dislike it, it's just a button for me

[stable fiber]

although you dont really feel it, you just look at details and see it doing more than 2% of your damage

[dim basalt]

Jugg is so much worse than anything else and its not even close

[rare kite]

in df it removed all bleeds so it made your next ms do less damage. which was when i really disliked sks, now it's just a whatever button. and yes gokkes i know it could have been solved by ms applying before the hit

[stable fiber]

jugg is fake anyways

i will stand by that

[unkempt wren]

Entirely uninteresting for a generally minimal gain + old design just left it with a bad taste. With Jugg, if when I don't want to minmax minigame it, I still benefit without adding to rotation. I enjoy aiming to do the best I can, but I'm not playing at a level that I need to maximize 1-3% dps

[rare kite]

wdym? makes a pretty big difference if you go into mugzee last phase with 15 stacks or 0

[dim basalt]

Pretty sure he knows because hes R1 on that boss

[stable fiber]

i went into the execute with 3 stacks

[dim basalt]

How the fuck did you do 3.8M then

[stable fiber]

it could have been 4.1-4.2m LMAO

[rare kite]

he's r1 on alot of bosses xD. imagine how big the gap would have been if he had 15 stacks

[dim basalt]

On a really good pull I peak like 3.5

[unkempt wren]

Rngesus got the happy times from Khazix

[stable fiber]

the 3.8M was prior to shockers being removed

and i padded alot on the first one

[rare kite]

that was meant as a reply @dim basalt but forgot to press reply

[stable fiber]

we didnt frontal the last adds that i was lining up cds for, if we did it had a high chance of rank 1 world

glad they removed the shockers though

nvm i lied

i went in with 10 stacks because i spammed execute on the rocketeer for like 20 seconds

lmfao

[slow saddle]

Np

🤣

[rare kite]

[dim basalt]

Wait Im comparing our logs

And you had 40 more MS hits with 20 faster killtime

The fuck

[floral ledge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aPZSnwMrSNHRe2Q65XedqmFN4-8P0NlK4Bx03vaxclA/edit?gid=821173246#gid=821173246

[slow saddle]

But y sks as big boom button is more fun

[floral ledge]

war arms looks really good

letts goo !

[slow saddle]

But sks in raid was horrid

[stable fiber]

compare our sweep uptimes

[slow saddle]

In keys it wasnt to bad

[dim basalt]

Oh wait I compared it to a pull where I died

hold on

[stable fiber]

lmao

[slow saddle]

Death equals more ms

Facts

[stable fiber]

damn what

i only sweeped 5 mortal strikes on that kill

im washed

[dim basalt]

Hm still more casts

[stable fiber]

maybe just good rng pull in general

22 slams casts is low i think

[dim basalt]

Yeah I had 36

xd

And your average ms hit did 300k more damage

Because I crit less

gg

[stable fiber]

interesting

[dim basalt]

You crit 39%, I crit 33%

[stable fiber]

i was sweeping the mines + shocker with a 99% dr

[dim basalt]

Thats an insane gap

[stable fiber]

to proc reap

[dim basalt]

hmm

Dont think that makes a massive diff

[hexed snow]

Time for MoP arms boys.... 🫡

[stable fiber]

no not really

[rare kite]

idk if this is still the case, but in dragonflight EB was per ms hit. so sweeping was big value

[stable fiber]

it still is

[rare kite]

if that is still the case then it's worth sweeping onto mine before exe

100%

[dim basalt]

Whats interesting is that we had similar amount of exe casts but your average execute did 300k more damage with less crits

[stable fiber]

can u link ur log

[dim basalt]

Unfortunately its on German tho https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qk8pXctKzrFyMRT1?fight=14&type=damage-done

Oh removing de. does the job

I think that was our first kill tho, so not exactly a clean pull

[stable fiber]

i see the difference already a bit

[dim basalt]

Oh nvm thats a recent log

[stable fiber]

lining up cds to be used in execute makes a MASSIVE difference

[dim basalt]

Dunno Ive tried both and didnt feel much of a diff

[stable fiber]

its quite a bit since your also in execute

[dim basalt]

You lust in the intermission right?

[stable fiber]

yeah

at 40%

[dim basalt]

We lust after intermission - _ -

[stable fiber]

oh

[dim basalt]

Its so cursed

[stable fiber]

yeah that is awful

[dim basalt]

Because 2 minute cds blabla

Who cares about 1.5 min right

[stable fiber]

also we played in different partitions

i was saving my 1:30 timings for when the shocker shield would fall off and you could sweep off mugzee for a 100% damage amp on the shocker

[dim basalt]

Yeah that doesnt make sense at this point ig

Because it dies in 2s

[stable fiber]

also because it doesnt count anymore

my log hitting the shocker counted

[dim basalt]

That would explain bunch of stuff

[stable fiber]

its hard to parse mugzee though if you dont lust the 40% intermission too, also tier rng + ms critting + jugg stacks geniuenly makes you do +-600k on pulls

unfun spec

tier rng i think is the biggest part of parsing BY FAR

[dim basalt]

Tier rng can suck my balls

[stable fiber]

20% ms damage + 20% haste during cooldown usages is like the fattest buff ever

happened during my r1 cauldron kill with sweep on both bosses + execute

[dim basalt]

Looking through some logs and lust after intermission isnt that uncommon

But it really sucks for our cds

Next season we only have jugg rng left (again)

[stable fiber]

its like 50% @40% and 20% on pull and rest after intermission

[rare kite]

more consistent atleast. i'd rather not have it at all but a bandaid is better than nothing

[dim basalt]

yeee

[stable fiber]

i like this tier

you feel strong asf when it procs

with the 20% haste

[dim basalt]

But I still wanna play col

[eager sigil]

yea we do it just because cds lineup there but noone actually gets good uptime there

more of a healer lust for the mines there

[stable fiber]

that was our reasoning

uptime is bad since a lot of running

maybe this reclear ill get lucky again

wont charge under mugzee and die

or forget to cs + sweep the rocketeer thinking it doesnt count for the parse

[rare kite]

i thought they removed adds on mugzee except the goons for parsing?

[stable fiber]

only shockers removed

warlocks padding too hard made them remove it

there is a spriest log and its fucking dumb lmao

he is cleaving 4 shockers solo that are taking 100% increase damage

[rare kite]

ahh ngl i haven't paid attention to what is a rocketeer and what is a shocker. not done the fight since they removed it

[hexed snow]

Tiny goblin with 20% HP vs Robot

[stable fiber]

guess when he started cleaving 4x shockers taking 100% increased damage

[rare kite]

lmao

[hexed snow]

Cant for the life of me get a 90+ log on mug

[rare kite]

i may be the blindest mfker coz i haven't noticed any goblins i got my 95 log tho

[stable fiber]

he goes from being at 3m dps to 4m dps in the span of like 20 seconds

[hexed snow]

You know after every red circle an add spawns?

That's the goblin

[rare kite]

oh the lad that jumps?

[hexed snow]

Yeee

[dim basalt]

ye

[rare kite]

ahh

[stable fiber]

OMEGALUL

this is the best parsing boss

ever made

ngl

[rare kite]

ofc it's an asian log

[hexed snow]

[stable fiber]

they always do this

[rare kite]

yup. last tier it was brood spawning adds on purpose

hooly

[stable fiber]

it was a 87 for boss damage

but like 200k ahead of second place overall

[hexed snow]

I miss old RA

[stable fiber]

first boss + brood + queen + rashanan

all had some cringe ass parse strats

one person in a m+ build

enh shamans actually went crazy on every single fight

[rare kite]

yea but atleast for the other ones you cannot spawn adds as much as you want. set amount of adds

hilarious to me that they removed first boss adds from parses but not parasites on brood

[stable fiber]

brood wasnt on all stars

so they just left it as is

i think in hindsight they should have only let adds that spawned from eggs count

[sharp wyvern]

if you show this to a normie they gonna have a brain aneurysm

[rare kite]

tru. much prefer the not being on all stars rather than removing adds

[stable fiber]

wdym haha

not use to the replay system?

[sharp wyvern]

no ive seen it

just putting music over it is funny af

[stable fiber]

periphery is peak

[sharp wyvern]

i just imagine the execute video but in log replay now

[stable fiber]

got that shit turnt 100% of the time

got the anime tab, music tab, lorrgs and wcl

all i need ngl

[rare kite]

still the worst thing to happen to warrior. irreparable damage

[stable fiber]

video got me excited for legion classic

[sharp wyvern]

at least we get a little bit of that gameplay in S3 with execute>ramp>execute>ramp

*if you get lucky procs

[stable fiber]

wont be the same though

[sharp wyvern]

it will never be

[hexed snow]

Real question to you boys, just so I can slightly feel better about myself xD, how long have you played warrior for?

[stable fiber]

kneecapped juggernaut

i started playing the game seriously in DF s1

purely lfr raider before df

[rare kite]

here's the thing tho. that video glorified jugg, whereas most fights you would never experience something like that. and it lasted 8 seconds, that is a short ass duration. legion fury was mid and no one can change my mind. legion arms goated tho

[hexed snow]

Shadowlands for me but that was just huntard

[sharp wyvern]

it was also becuase of the dmg amp on argus

[hexed snow]

Warrior was only TWW

[sharp wyvern]

everything alligned in that video

[rare kite]

since nighthold legion

[slow saddle]

Tbc

With a break in sl as dk

[sharp wyvern]

created my warrior in wrath but only realy started raiding in legion

[slow saddle]

I didnt start.mythic until sl

[sharp wyvern]

i quit for SL and 2nd half of bfa tho

[slow saddle]

Life was in the way for a while

[stable fiber]

classic made me a better player ngl

[hexed snow]

Ok so I'm not that off

[slow saddle]

I raided tbc + legion

Wrath.

[hexed snow]

The worst thing about going from ranged to melee is that, the range

The best part is doing less mechanics 😂

[sharp wyvern]

at leats you dont have that many invisible frontals anymore

[slow saddle]

Lol

[rare kite]

i started mythic in legion, but i was blue average parses back then. giga shit at the game

[slow saddle]

Less mechanics???

[hexed snow]

That is also true

[sharp wyvern]

except on gally

[hexed snow]

Yeah, way less

Gally is an exception I guess

[slow saddle]

Not in m+

[stable fiber]

i did 0 mechanics on mugzee except for soaking the rocket

melee is peak

[slow saddle]

And loads of raid bosses equals melee u gotta dodge shit

[stable fiber]

gameplay

[hexed snow]

M+ is for sure where it gets shifted

Dodging switlies and BONKs

[slow saddle]

Most bosses hate meelee.m8

[stable fiber]

the new dungeon is like F tier melee dungeon

[slow saddle]

Esp if u have a bit to many in a raid grp

[sharp wyvern]

bandit is a good example of melees not doing anything

[hexed snow]

I hopped on my hunter and did m+ and I felt like that Ronaldo guy singing Payphone

[sharp wyvern]

but then you have bosses like kyvessa or broodtwister where its equal

actually thats not even true

[hexed snow]

https://youtu.be/EwB2bv6HqkI?si=l1MXcwSAH-tG7Fjp

Doing m+ as hunter

[sharp wyvern]

ranged have to do 1 more kyvessa thing

[slow saddle]

Difference is, in melee i camt c shit

[stable fiber]

i did princess and broodtwister as both fury and arcane

arcane was hell on princess

[sharp wyvern]

we can turn of other peoples animations soon

[stable fiber]

fury was payphone

[sharp wyvern]

surely that will help

[slow saddle]

Ofc i did that

[stable fiber]

broodtwister was equal though

[hexed snow]

Fury was so fucking fun on s1 holt shit

The RA synnergy

Rampage and two buttons light up

🥰🥰🥰❤️

[sharp wyvern]

thats a take

[stable fiber]

i quit warrior in season 1 KEKL

[slow saddle]

But any boss with circles and space limitations is hard on melee, in a mediocre guild

[hexed snow]

It's a take I'll take with me to the grave

[sharp wyvern]

court was equall too no ?

and ansurekt

[rare kite]

good decision. unfortunate to relapse

[sharp wyvern]

someone couldnt handle the nerfs

[hexed snow]

Court on Fury was fun

[stable fiber]

yeah i took them poorly

then arcane got the exact same treatment

and i took that poorly and then went arms

[slow saddle]

Ha poor guy

[sharp wyvern]

when you play warrior you have to be ready to not be good

[slow saddle]

100%

[stable fiber]

then arcane got buffed to be good as shit again

well its mediocre

not that good

i dont do m+ much so

[hexed snow]

Just bring back MoP banner

[sharp wyvern]

lmao

[hexed snow]

[sharp wyvern]

they almost did

then removed it in beta

[hexed snow]

In Dragonflight no?

[slow saddle]

Bring back condemn

[sharp wyvern]

ye

[slow saddle]

Or and aa

[rare kite]

hell no. cringe ability "warrior hold banner"

i cba

it's my ability

[sharp wyvern]

we would have leaped to ranged to throw down banner

[slow saddle]

Find dragons place it

[hexed snow]

Ok now we get hamstring 0.75s instead

I'm hamstringing...

[sharp wyvern]

thats huge

they should buff it so its better than slam

[stable fiber]

bring back windfury totem and our rotation will be only hamstring

[rare kite]

"but banner is better for boomy cds" or whatever variation you can think of. you just know there would be cases where you use it for other peoples cds. i play warrior, i do not want to help. i want to press for MYSELF

[hexed snow]

Then it's good yes

[slow saddle]

100%

[sharp wyvern]

thats exactly why they removed it

they didnt want warrior to be a support class

[slow saddle]

But banner could just hit 4 other random dps?

[sharp wyvern]

while they were cooking a support class

[latent moss]

demoralizing banner u and extra 4 people take 15% less damage for the duration

[slow saddle]

But y banner would have to be a 3m or 2m cd

[sharp wyvern]

utility for m+ ?

ew

[slow saddle]

Ikr

[rare kite]

Completely random sure. if it was 4 people near you would do some cringe ass stacking thing

[stable fiber]

whats the most disrespected spec past like 3-4 years

[slow saddle]

Ofc not range based

[sharp wyvern]

aug

[hexed snow]

Calling my dear friend John Blizzard to bring back banner 🕵️

[slow saddle]

Tuning or ?

[stable fiber]

more like choices made to the spec

[slow saddle]

Hmm warrior?🤣

[sharp wyvern]

i was thinking about other classes and i ended up on warrior too

[rare kite]

i'd say arms this expansion ngl. they removed big WW, SoA got converted into two talents and we just got a "reshuffle"

[slow saddle]

Y arms aince df tbh?

[sharp wyvern]

we are still riding the high of the "rework" we got in S1 DF

[hexed snow]

Aspect of the Warrior, it works exactly like aspect of the fox on WoD but you do shout animation and that's cooler

[stable fiber]

warrior in general is screwed over, but tww arcane mage

poor porom

[rare kite]

like i don't even think df arms was "amazing" by any means, but it was way better than this

[sharp wyvern]

ignore pain spam

[rare kite]

yeah they thankfuyll removed that later in df

[sharp wyvern]

S3 and S4 was good tho

[rare kite]

thankfully*

[latent moss]

youre forgetting

s3

issues

[sharp wyvern]

i hated fury with annihilator in S3

[latent moss]

i love my 12% test of might

cause i got 3 sd in a row

and now my damage is cucked

[stable fiber]

idk bet iteration of fury past 2 expansions

peak rotation

did best damage

[sharp wyvern]

S2 DF fury was peak

[latent moss]

in raids sure

in m+ it was cbt

to play

wow 45s burst!

odyns fury!

[stable fiber]

fury* is ass to play in m+

[sharp wyvern]

whenever we play anger management and Ramp is the highest prio its a good time

[latent moss]

im moving to the next pack with odyns fury!

s2 fury was really fucking good in dungeons

until aug

[sharp wyvern]

when we start overcapping on rage to fit in some more raging blows its when it gets cringe

[latent moss]

and everyone else got buffed

[sharp wyvern]

also onslaught

would love to use it again

[latent moss]

got completely destroyed

its actually just useless

[sharp wyvern]

its a fucking capstone

[stable fiber]

14 second cooldown capstone ability does less damage than raging blow

btw

[sharp wyvern]

2 capstones of fury are completly useless

[rare kite]

nahh 5. i'd say UF is useless as well

[stable fiber]

3 capstones + odyns + onslaught

[sharp wyvern]

i dont see those as capstones i think AM is the capstones and the others are just improvements on it

but then you have unhinged that carries the entirety of both specs

[stable fiber]

nerfed version of unhinged too

[sharp wyvern]

like imagine if unhinged didnt exist
slayer would be so fucking bad

[stable fiber]

what a sick ass talent

[sharp wyvern]

we would unironically use RAv as slayer if unhinged didnt exist

[rare kite]

before they buffed bladestorm arms did use ravager on some fights

as slayer

[stable fiber]

do you think slayer in m+ would be better than thane if unhinged worked with whirlwind

i feel like that would close the gap hella

[rare kite]

yes, mostly coz of reap chance skyrocketing

[sharp wyvern]

ww and sweeping strikes

the thing they removed

well lets see if they cook anything on ptr

its a good sign warrior hasnt gotten anything cause that means they are cooking something BIG

[rare kite]

rather they go big with a rework in midnight than give us something tiny now

[stable fiber]

they are going to change RA again

for the 7th time

[sharp wyvern]

here is the thing

[stable fiber]

thats your mini rework

[sharp wyvern]

i gave up on hoping for a rework

[rare kite]

i mean they should change RA again. just make reck give crit damage

there you have it

[sharp wyvern]

they should put the shadowpriest dev on warrior

then i have hope for a rework

[stable fiber]

nah bloodbath and crusing blow own

[sharp wyvern]

no

[stable fiber]

bloodbath bleed does 0 damage though

[rare kite]

do they tho? bloodbath dot is garbage and crushing blow is just raging blow but doing more damage

i think they should give up on empowered spells

[sharp wyvern]

100% agree

[stable fiber]

everytime fury had RA is when i found it the most fun

slayer with ra in m+ is 100x more fun than thane

[sharp wyvern]

when did you play slayer in m+

are you talking about thane with RA ?

[stable fiber]

slayer in m+

[rare kite]

early s1 it was better

before thane got buffed

[stable fiber]

i mean like right now

[sharp wyvern]

forgot about that

[stable fiber]

im ignoring meta

the gameplay is just better

and its spamming bloodthirst

xdd

everybody has bad takes and this is my hill i will die on

[sharp wyvern]

if they make bloodbath hit twice for double the reap chance maybe

[latent moss]

i like thane gameplay its just that the new tierset is useless

both damage wise and gameplay wise

[sharp wyvern]

powerful enrage just doesnt feel like fury to me

[latent moss]

same

[sharp wyvern]

hate it

[stable fiber]

they have tried slowing down warrior in general

prot and fury

[latent moss]

bt with powerful as thane feels good but that's it

for prot i can understand

[rare kite]

my "hottest take" is they should just remove all bleeds from arms and give fury more bleeds. lots of people support the arms one, but not many the fury one

[sharp wyvern]

isnt arms the more bleedy spec ?

[latent moss]

dots fit arms

they fit both tbf

[sharp wyvern]

i think it should be the other way around and make bleeds actually usefull

[latent moss]

arms weakens u with cuts then executes you type shit

[sharp wyvern]

except MS is the highest hitting ability

[rare kite]

yes. but i like the fantasy of a berserker hitting a ton of times and making them bleed out. in my mind arms just cleaves the target in half, no time for bleeds if they just instantly die

[stable fiber]

"deep wounds"

[sharp wyvern]

something like deep wounds when you rampage and whenever you BT you do some of the dot damage instantly

like skullsplitter but good