i hate this button
#arms
charred brook
charred brook
i have to if its good
ill play anything if its a dps increase
i just wont like it
olive nest
This makes sense in my head, imagining how it would feel with my muscle memory seems wack tho ngl
Haha
shadow ibex
And that's a ton of your tier value if it falls off
Idk why ms and cleave can't just apply rend
I look at my dk and everything keeps up UH diseases
Summon abom. Dark transform
olive nest
The opener has got to be super crowded
olive nest
Like you want to apply bleeds
Build demo stacks
Get roar and rav out before Ava wb demo
steep osprey
I agree with schrodinger
olive nest
Oh and you need to sweep somewhere
steep osprey
cleave crits apply rend but at that point just delete rend
and 100% buff DW
what's the point of rend
if its getting applied the same way as DW
it's basically the same thing
might as well just make it 1 dot
olive nest
I mean having two different bleeds with varying synergy for the class is a good thing
minor gust
can always just have rend turn into a pure passive talent
minor gust
rend a bleed that is applied if MS or Cleave crits
olive nest
That makes sense thematically too
steep osprey
I think Rend should be like Trauma from legion
olive nest
More impactful blow to the target caused additional bleeding
minor gust
its just old DW
steep osprey
thoughts?
steep osprey
its just old DW
I was thinking of it working like old Trauma or something
cleave deals 30% of it's damage over time
or something
olive nest
Charge > sweep > cleave > TC > MS > roar > ravager > Ava+wb > cleave > demolish > sks
Seems super weird to me
Well probably sweep first actually
olive nest
Don’t spoil
steep osprey
susge
shadow ibex
Looks right
vital mural
Hi all, in MM+ build, you use exec or overpower when mortal strike is not up ?
void bay
Why the fuck IS A BLEED APPLICATION CAPPED
you can only bleed so much man
dim basalt
Hi all, in MM+ build, you use exec or overpower when mortal strike is not up ?
exe is a slam replacement, so very low prio
trail sage
hmm do we have some changes on PTR Talent tree? i dont find anything about PTR and Arms ...
dim basalt
hmm do we have some changes on PTR Talent tree? i dont find anything about PTR a...
Nothing at all
oak quartz
nope
vital mural
I'm often out of rage in MM+ after burst
trail sage
Nothing at all
okay ... thx!
charred brook
overall 12 eco dome
not sure how i feel about this build
it feels kinda underwhelming
shadow ibex
I need to set up my authenticator so I can make a forum post
charred brook
this actually makes me want to puke
group in ptr declining unless ur not meta comp
gaunt owl
the brainrot mplussing mentality
charred brook
that is the lamest shit ive ever seen
gaunt owl
meta comp is full loser behaviour
they think they gonna time it better because they are cluegi deluxe
once the group fuck up they whine
steep osprey
lmao
gaunt owl
you are much better off taking OTP player
since they know how to do shit
and gonna even go out of their domain to be ultra
i'm so good at the game i forgot i was playing some TFT on 2nd monitor
and lost
charred brook
LMAO
olive nest
gaunt owl
got 6 place while going afk getting a drink
wide pebble
Thanks to the Squishvegan team, people actually do list for physical comp now
gaunt owl
who are they ?
charred brook
banshers noxiv woxtox squish and ort
I run a diff phys comp
I do Brew, Feral, Arms, Ass rogue, Resto Sham
gaunt owl
"Ass" rogue
dim basalt
Wish phys comp was a bit more flexible
But yeah that comp making an appearance in MDI was huge
fresh spire
They gonna have a shock when they take a unholy dk and it does tank damage
minor gust
Wish phys comp was a bit more flexible
wdym its an incredibly flexible comp
dim basalt
wdym its an incredibly flexible comp
Ok let me rephrase it: I wish war didnt feel like a deadweight in that comp
rally buff when
minor gust
your bringing bshout and the best aoe stun in the game shits more than fine
def not "deadweight"
dim basalt
Still feels a bit whack
steep osprey
They gonna have a shock when they take a unholy dk and it does tank damage
I'm glad they nerfed it tbh, they can fix that by tuning their damage breakdown properly
it was insanely overtuned
violet steeple
If we're dead weight because we aren't boomie/uhdk/arcane, then every spec is except those 3 brotherman
Arms is actually pretty strong, all things considered
dim basalt
Ignore the helmet and it isnt so bad
violet steeple
Looks like 10 old sets
dim basalt
Illusion still not on ptr tho
spiral coral
The dangling dick tassels
dim basalt
Theyre horrible ye
latent moss
Ignore the helmet and it isnt so bad
who uses helmets anyway tbf
dim basalt
who uses helmets anyway tbf
The recent trading post helmets were cool
viral locust
its an awful set, looks so basic like a delve reward set or something
plus similar to other sets as you say
dim basalt
Im not as used to warrior sets as you guys
Didnt play this class until TWW 
But coming from Hunter I take anything honestly
dim basalt
Priests usually get nice sets
latent moss
idk i just do naked set with big ass weapon
tauren big ass weapon
goes hard
fuck armor
gaunt owl
Im rocking a slutmog atm
you play with 1 hand ?
dim basalt
you play with 1 hand ?
yeah warrior doesnt need 2
gaunt owl
dim basalt
Especially next season it seems 
dim basalt
ig
latent moss
you play with 1 hand ?
why would i need 2 hands anyway
latent moss
Especially next season it seems <:monkahmm:1382590600439664751>
sksmaxxing
gaunt owl
why would i need 2 hands anyway
you can only push one button at the time anyway
round trout
i dont like this set on that character i suppos a blood elf ? maybe it looks better on an orc or human in my opinion
dim basalt
i dont like this set on that character i suppos a blood elf ? maybe it looks bet...
Yeah likely looks better on those
round trout
Yeah likely looks better on those
i think its an okayish lookin set , we probably have seen even worse
broken cove
do we know if this is the elite set or
thick kelp
looks like elite set with the special glows
broken cove
the other set is very warrior class colored so
reef glade
crazy ppl will call that mid then glaze the shit out of juggernaut set
1 thing it had going for it was shoulders rest was absolutely who gives a shit
dim basalt
do we know if this is the elite set or
It is the elite set
dim basalt
yup
warped ether
Close to 2k
some matchups are just really disgusting for warr
spiral coral
5g antennas
slow saddle
Remove those and i love set
spiral coral
Yeah honestly it’s so close to being really good, I’m going to take a couple of pieces and be able to make something cool. really don’t like the belt chain things
shadow ibex
is ptr down or smth
spiral coral
It’s like they were cooking, then put too much spice in
spiral coral
is ptr down or smth
ya
shadow ibex
fuck
void bay
It has antennas and nipple clamps
shadow ibex
last boss taking 200% dmg amp but we have the flattest dmg profile 
weak rain
last boss taking 200% dmg amp but we have the flattest dmg profile <:sadge:82020...
idk sir, first boss in current raid takes 100% more dmg and arms does just fine
shadow ibex
it lasts a lot longer than 15 seconds
and you can approach execute, not a full health mob
dim basalt
last boss taking 200% dmg amp but we have the flattest dmg profile <:sadge:82020...
Its Col time baby
weak rain
it lasts a lot longer than 15 seconds
Colossus skullsplitter window 
wary raft
this is a wowhead model viewer issue, they supposedly hang down in game
latent moss
Colossus skullsplitter window <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
bro imagine if sks was a huge cd right
weak rain
floppy chains
latent moss
and whenever u apply dots
it insta consumes them
imagine that shit in execute
with ms and bloodletting
u apply dw rend
they both fall off
shadow ibex
colo probably would have better 15 sec burst there
esp with 4pc or 2pc
whichever is 100% bleed dmg
latent moss
every ms doesnt benefit from deep wounds 
cause its consumed
just make ms apply deep wounds then deal dmg
its that simple blizzard
like rampage
imagine if rampage didnt enrage u first
weak rain
they did that for sanlayn, they made some free dot reapply after infliction of sorrow
kinda funny
df skullsplitter died and then they do shit like that, sad
latent moss
they could give colossus some sort of bleed acceleration where each consecutive ms/cleave "deepens" the wound like the 4p
cleave deepens the wound and ms procs the deep wound instantly bursting or something
dealing aoe
idk they could do so much
shadow ibex
i didnt realize how many other classes had shit that would deal remaining dmg of your disease/bleed/poison/whatever but only ours feels mega cringe
cuz our mastery is that bleed
latent moss
isnt it crazy that our dots dont scale with %hp
shadow ibex
gg now reapply it
shadow ibex
isnt it crazy that the execute spec has no execute in aoe
frankly i dont even believe that anymore
until they say thats what they want it to be
i cant even begin to fathom w/e their vision of arms is
latent moss
reverse devoker mastery
shadow ibex
we're like 50/50 since DF on whether or not its worth using MS in execute
each tier i mean
latent moss
ms just fell off in 11.0
cause of prepatch
gut
cause they were scared of colossus???
shadow ibex
cause they were scared of colossus???
latent moss
then exe nerf in 11.1 cause they were scared of slayer??????/
shadow ibex
i wouldnt be surprised if it got weird for slayer
their 2pc is just flat 30% exe dmg right out the gate
latent moss
maybe for slayer u need more than just 2x ep
i dont mind that
i hate the monotony
of EP
shadow ibex
in castle im pretty sure you didnt MS in exe except for deep wounds
shadow ibex
dead ass had to get a weak aura
latent moss
was max restard gameplay
weak rain
ms fuck
slayer set buffs exe by 20% and SD launches slayer strike. The best bet is that MS>Exe only with 2 stacks of precision and prowess
latent moss
no way u didnt ms as nf
shadow ibex
then we got enduring blow
shadow ibex
no way u didnt ms as nf
condemn wasn't any better than reg execute
it did roughly same dam
just ignored armor
oak kite
i am not able to access sims atm but can someone tell me what kind of dps difference i can expect from switching from opportunist to fierce followthrough for single arms slayer for raid?
weak rain
idk, a lot probably, overpower is insane this tier
latent moss
condemn wasn't any better than reg execute
ye but u couldnt exe 100-80
it was lower tooltip damage
ik
olive nest
Just let us be absolutely broken boss damage kings
shadow ibex
for slayer?
olive nest
I don’t want to think about add pad let me just turbo nuke 1-2 targets
oak kite
the thing is yesterday while practicing on a single target dummy, i could hit 2.98M with fierce but could not pass 2.95 with opportunist. i just cannot react to procs fast enough i think.
weak rain
I think arms sustained cleave should be actually be good, with slayer 4 set
latent moss
actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=dot.rend.remains<2|debuff.executioners_precision.stack=2&!buff.ravager.up
this is what its at rn
weak rain
we did that in BFA even
BFA execute applied DW
shadow ibex
i hate the monotony
honestly i dont mind exe spam i just think its so fast its a lil silly
i dont think exe has ever applied DW
but i didnt play leg
weak rain
With ton of haste old execute animation is better imo, condem animation is too clunky
weak rain
i dont think exe has ever applied DW
It was applying DW 100%, I remember this like yesterday
shadow ibex
actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=dot.rend.remains<2|debuff.executioners...
its still sending at x2 ep then?
or only with rend low
+ep
latent moss
1 mp and opp down its a loss
weak rain
OP should be higher orio, it gives rage and sends reap and it's 20% buffed
latent moss
at 1 or more mp still a loss
weak rain
so no ms
latent moss
everything else is a loss
u ms at 2x ep
u prio opp when u are below 2 mp and below 80 rage
latent moss
not pressing ms is a decent loss
it hits too hard
even for slayer
with all modifiers
weak rain
but like even now OP with opportunist takes prio and there is not MS in the set, while execute is gigabuffed and OP is technically same/better
no?
w/e, I will just w8 and see
weak rain
inb4 they 100% buff tom so we just spam execute for rage and op to recover it
candid pecan
inb4 they buff EP
shadow ibex
u prio opp when u are below 2 mp and below 80 rage
that's prio now
but idk how many follow it 10000%
so easy to just exe x3 MS
latent moss
i followed it
makes the rotation more interesting
btw
is it only me
or is elvui broken on ptr
i have 10 fps capped
with it on
dim basalt
Yeah its pretty broken
shadow ibex
makes the rotation more interesting
I always just cap the global I send op
Idk I take special offense to class resource not mattering
Shit grinds my gears
latent moss
ye but u only op when u have less than 80
ig reck + aa crit + blord or smth
can cap u
- skyfury
but it doesnt happen that often to me
what is annoying is sitting at 130 with 2 sd
drifting heart
Oi, can someone enlighten me on slayer arms ST rotation nowadays ? I must be doing smth wrong
Does slam have the priority over execute during a sudden death proc if overpower and MS and on CD and the weakaura didn't "ding" yet ?
Everytime I use my sudden death proc when both OP and MS are not available and I end up losing my juggernaut stack
bitter escarp
zug gotta play the minigame, keep the 15 jug stack alive at all costs
drifting heart
zug gotta play the minigame, keep the 15 jug stack alive at all costs
Does it mean that slam prevail over a sudden death proc until the weakaura proc ?
cause when i check on log i see all of those warrior getting 1 stack of jug every 10 sec but the sudden death proc is here for so long and sometimes i doubt they have MS or OP available
bitter escarp
I dont know about the WA specifically, I usually hold my one SD executes last second if that translates which means no buttons to press hit slam
drifting heart
got you
Also, what happened since Amirdrassil on the exec phase ?
It used to be double exec for 2 EP stack => OP => MS Or 3 exec => MS if you have enough rage to do it
Did that change with the opportunist talent meaning that it is always double exec => OP => MS no matter what ?
latent moss
Oi, can someone enlighten me on slayer arms ST rotation nowadays ? I must be doi...
technically ye
but these things arent simmable
should never let sd fall off
need to max juggernaut
juggmaxxing
shadow ibex
drifting heart
technically ye
since when does arms became so much proc dependant playstyle wtf is this
latent moss
since forever
just different procs
tactician in legion idk bfa
sl was tactician again
generally its tactician
s3 df was sudden death
all of tww has been sudden death
slayer at least
colo is still tactician mostly
tho technically slayer is tactician too with opportunist
drifting heart
i get that df was sudden death but it was not that extreme combined with other proc such as opportunist + SD + juggernaut to keep up + martial prowess
drifting heart
But how does the exec phase work now ? Triple exec into MS ?
Unless opportunist proc is double exec OP into MS
?
latent moss
not really
spiral coral
since when does arms became so much proc dependant playstyle wtf is this
It’s like, why we like it
bitter escarp
It’s like, why we like it
This
latent moss
skullsplitter,if=rage<=40
overpower,if= martial prowess<2 buff.opportunist.up rage<80
mortal_strike,if= executioners_precision.stack=2 and ravager not up
otherwise execute
bro i swear i will make something
that formats the apl
cause ts is unreadable unless u know what u are looking for exactly
shadow ibex
skullsplitter,if=rage<=40
overpower,if= martial prowess<2 buff.opportunist.up ra...
sks is a fuckin mess
using it sub 35 is a shit show of conditionals
rare kite
"x is a fuckin mess" welcome to arms
minor gust
shadow ibex
sage shard
just killed OAB and acquired a myth bestInSlots.
When is the best time to use the active? I have a hero track house of cards that's macro'd to avatar, should i be using the best in slots active instead
ivory harbor
For this instance, my understanding is that you use it together with the next Colossus Smash.
spiral coral
finishing out the Iskaara as the final rep for df to max out, I slept on how much cool stuff they had
minor gust
I dont like the gold also omegaLUL belt
shadow ibex
i respect the attempt to use new item
broken cove
am i schizophrenic or were we supposed to have a glyph that changes execute animation to condemn
shadow ibex
nah
massacre changes execute animation
well it did
maybe its baseline idk i dont press exe as colossus
wary raft
I think its baseline condemn animation now
I think smth like its brown animation w/o massacre and red w/ massacre now
shadow ibex
that sounds right
wary raft
I happen to be online im finding out rn
wary raft
I think smth like its brown animation w/o massacre and red w/ massacre now
this is correct
shadow ibex
the rare colossus execute press
final dove
prot war xmog dude is Cooking capital c
where do you get that jacket
timber vector
how optimized are colossus apls, like on st as colossus do you actually just not care about warbreaker when u press avatar
shadow ibex
avatar lasts 20 seconds and AM cuts CS 45 sec CD roughly in half
unless you cast avatar RIGHT AFTER a CS window just ended, it should cover a duration if you are pressing buttons in combat
WB is only 10 seconds so you dont need it to be a perfect line up
avatar reck you probably wanna try and get that reck inside CS but i think most play blademaster
obtuse eagle
as colossus you dont care about the 2 stacks of execute before MS in execute phase right?
shadow ibex
a lot drop EP as colossus in m+
spiral coral
my wife
is playing fall guys
and all i hear is
"alright everyone time to lock the fuck in"
final dove
olive nest
shadow ibex
gonna loot charmed neck from vault next week
easy
best piece of loot all tier ngl
first mug kill
oak flame
will they make some change to war ? if anyone knows
sacred zodiac
probs not
hexed snow
Set seems to be the change
As someone told me, band-aid fix but a fix in the end for slayer jugg
wind lotus
Is arms damage really bad in keys atm?
thick kelp
no
thick kelp
yeah
wind lotus
WoWhead's rotation guide says to keep colossus smash, avatar, and demolish CDs aligned but because of anger management they'll always fall out of alignment, and people in disc said not to hold any of them more than a few seconds
Is that correct?
I'm close to offering a months game time to anyone who can figure it out cause I'm at a loss. I'm doing the rotation as far as wowhead goes. My gear is good, far from perfect. Timing is an issue at points.
Maybe it's a chunk of each
thick kelp
Hold demolish for WB for arounnd 10s max, WB on CD, Avatar generally on CD, should align well with WB and demolish if you play properly
wind lotus
What if a boss mechanic is coming up and you wont get full WB duration? What about if it's trash but SS is still on CD?
thick kelp
something thats gonna make you move out of range?
wind lotus
yes
thick kelp
Hold Avatar over that, can send CS generously if its more than like half of CS duration away
SS just on CD generally
wind lotus
Thanks, I will keep at it
shadow ibex
@latent moss did you like colossus keys on ptr?
latent moss
didnt try
gonna try in a bit
need to do like actual keys
not random pugs type shit
olive nest
gonna loot charmed neck from vault next week
Manifesting this neck in your vault
Surely
shadow ibex
gonna try in a bit
Bleed spec
wanton sierra
Is arms damage really bad in keys atm?
its not bad, we do good consistent dam... but not even close to an retri or other meta
teal fossil
And ret isn’t even meta
warm fog
Is it mostly the set bonuses or just an even more open dungeon pool for exacerbating the aoe differences between specs?
olive nest
Some classes can hit 90 targets and do a gorillion damage to all of them
Others can stand in the middle of 90 targets and hit 5 of them
teal fossil
Is it mostly the set bonuses or just an even more open dungeon pool for exacerba...
Mostly the latter
But the former can also be true
If every dungeon was theater of pain
Then you don’t need mass aoe specs
wanton sierra
Others can stand in the middle of 90 targets and hit 5 of them
oof xD
jade cargo
@wanton sierrahenlo Manki
fresh spire
wanton sierra
biggest todu! long time no see
rustic wing
If I am having to use slam often what am I doing wrong? I know a log would help but I'm guessing its probably something basic.
wanton sierra
<@485583336966717471>henlo Manki
we got to the point that im the old now xD
olive nest
A wild Todu appears
shadow ibex
Others can stand in the middle of 90 targets and hit 5 of them
Whoops some of the pack wasn't in your demo vague frontal range
wanton sierra
If I am having to use slam often what am I doing wrong? I know a log would help...
sometimes, when nothing procs you press slam... but not often
but its the skill that you need to feel bad by pressing it, if you press, you got unlucky on rotation xD
dim basalt
If I am having to use slam often what am I doing wrong? I know a log would help...
In what scenario? In raid you will use it somewhat often
M+ not so much
wanton sierra
oh i was thinkin bout m+
olive nest
I started using wrecking throw
It’s a fun little mini game to squeeze that in as a filler instead of slam whenever it’s up and conditions are met
rustic wing
In what scenario? In raid you will use it somewhat often
M+ and it feels bad
wanton sierra
Some people play actual content
there was a time that i was raider xD now im slack, casual trying to push score as non meta
dim basalt
M+ and it feels bad
Most of the time you can just press MS and OP tho
If you have to use Slam a lot youre being really unlucky
rustic wing
There are streches when they aren't up for some reason and press slam multiple times in a row. I think I'm playing too much like fury.
dim basalt
I mean theres nothing you can do wrong as colossus in ST really
MS not up? Press OP. OP not up? Press Slam / execute in exe phase
Thats pretty much it
latent moss
idk slam is very rare in m+ outside of st
if u are unlucky
i dont think i ever pressed slam in a pack ngl
dim basalt
Even in ST its pretty rare
latent moss
ye
dim basalt
God bless Blord
shadow ibex
Just tclap instead
olive nest
Ye in a pack just filler with TC
shadow ibex
Esp if we gonna be using sks
latent moss
forgor to do ptr
olive nest
I don’t mind sks tbh
dim basalt
shadow ibex
So many other classes have similar mechanics
olive nest
I think my biggest gripe is just the xtra keybind to worry about lol
latent moss
I just wish SKS would feel a tiny bit better to use
should just go back to explosion
shadow ibex
Like plague strike or whatever for uhdl
latent moss
but it doesnt consume the dots
shadow ibex
Just increases tick rate of disease
latent moss
so like
shadow ibex
And it's a buff on them
latent moss
u have 20s of rend and dw
u sks
it does damage as if 20s of rend and dw passed
ez
shadow ibex
The problem is
You still gonna be doing set up of make a brand new rend
It's the same as if it consumed it like in df
You are going to have to do fresh apply to get full value
Real problem is and difference between all other classes that have stuff like sks is, it's often times not a separate button
And their rend-like dot is applied near passively
Vs ours being active application AND another button adding bloat it's the worst of both
If you could just keep rend up with MS, sks feels fine. No worry of it ticking out cuz sks sped it up
latent moss
^
shadow ibex
Or if it was just a passive buff on ms crits to do a special bleed amp
shadow ibex
I mean idk. Uh dk literally has their dots applied by their pet
latent moss
like it consumes them but doesnt actually
shadow ibex
Whynwe have to do everything manually
It's like the forgot it's a button you spec into and should feel good to use?
If sks was just an effect applied by MS crits I'm OK with that
But then it's just colossus tier 
olive nest
Sks applying both bleeds and also dealing damage as if it consumed both full dots
That sounds pretty sweet ngl
dim basalt
Thats all it needs
normal mason
If you could just keep rend up with MS, sks feels fine. No worry of it ticking o...
Wasn’t that how ms worked in df?
normal mason
Couldn’t remember, I only played arms last season of df
latent moss
bloodletting was bugged with sweeping strikes
i cant recall how it was bugged
but sometimes it would refresh rend even though neither target is under 35%
olive nest
I think that was only true for open world content for some reason
olive nest
latent moss
I think that was only true for open world content for some reason
oh yeah
only in open world
ancient scroll
but sometimes it would refresh rend even though neither target is under 35%
Still happens, I have had this happen on first boss of rookery
If sweep is up it can even apply rend to mobs across the room
shadow ibex
void bay
what if u use rend on someone but they are a doctor and they use "medical training" on it
warm fog
Make bandage great again
stable fiber
when is it worth talenting into cleave
like if this ptr boss is 3 target and they are always stacked would it be worth it to talent into cleave or no
thick kelp
if they are stacked alot sure
shadow ibex
Probably worth losing FB for
Imo
If they are perma stacked try col with blademaster and extendo clip sweep
shadow ibex
Enchainment
slate niche
PTR ?
thick kelp
Frappe Mortelle
floral ledge
soul hunter yeah ptr
dim basalt
Sometimes French is not a real language
minor gust
Good ol Frappe Mortelle
stable fiber
dont think you play cleave
slate niche
soul hunter yeah ptr
MDR on va se faire flame
dim basalt
I wonder what our abilities are like in Dutch
minor gust
dont think you play cleave
If they aren't perma stacked prob not worth. Wish I could be testing right now but stuck at work
stable fiber
yeah one teleports around, the other dashes to a player
spiral coral
I wonder what our abilities are like in Dutch
would be stronger
stable fiber
i dont think its cleave
minor gust
Doesn't sound like it then
Cleave is rarely an option for arms in raid
Because it requires consistent 3 targets most of the time
shadow ibex
He did 8.7 with cleave
Really comes down to what you lose that row
We run 1/2BB and 1 FB usually
Fb point is the floater
dim basalt
8.7 isnt really that bad
dim basalt
Only if you could perma spread and theyre too far apart for Cleave
Which I assume isnt the case
dim basalt
%
minor gust
Hmm that's not bad
dim basalt
I havent seen the fight yet
minor gust
That's a swap to Colossus angle and try that out
minor gust
i dont think its cleave
I assume your playing Slayer? Try Colossus for that fight. Frequent cleaves and 3 targets for bleeds should be good dmg
dim basalt
sks should feel pretty insane on that fight
stable fiber
I assume your playing Slayer? Try Colossus for that fight. Frequent cleaves and ...
im colossus
4.6m b4 we wiped
shadow ibex
Yea if it's 3 target colossus should pop
minor gust
Hmmm how many cleave casts you getting off def worth if your getting a decent chunk and playing colossus
shadow ibex
Extended sweeping you can probably demo like every 24 seconds
stable fiber
im not playing cleave
stable fiber
i wonder if its warbreaker
minor gust
im not playing cleave
How many casts of cleave when you were playing it
stable fiber
How many casts of cleave when you were playing it
i never tried it
dim basalt
If you can hit 3 then it should be WB
minor gust
Prob not worth WB
stable fiber
ill try next pull
minor gust
i never tried it
Oh thought u did try cleave so how many casts you get out of it when they are triple stacked
dim basalt
Wait actually, theres no point in WB without Cleave
The dots alone arent gonna make it good
hollow plover
4.6m b4 we wiped
ok but the avg ptr player is hot garbo and some are from EU
dim basalt
ok but the avg ptr player is hot garbo and some are from EU
4.6 sounds like a good number tho since your gear gets scaled down a lot
Considering its only 3T
And likely not optimized
minor gust
ok but the avg ptr player is hot garbo and some are from EU
The time spending boss testing should not be to compare against other specs who cares tuning has yet to happen
minor gust
Yeah it's not
hollow plover
fair
shadow ibex
I guess blunt is only 6 seconds vs 2 targets cs another 10 on third target
minor gust
WB is unnecessary imo
shadow ibex
But really depends how often they are
If it's legit perma uptime like vault of incarn council
Of x3
thick kelp
Would maybe swap mbg for ep instead
minor gust
I guess blunt is only 6 seconds vs 2 targets cs another 10 on third target
Thing is even if they were all perma stacked idk about WB on only 3 your really only hitting that third target with cleaves bleeds and demo
stable fiber
ok but the avg ptr player is hot garbo and some are from EU
this is yodas group
ok ill try cleave + collateral damage
drop fatal mark
it deadass feels useless ngl
minor gust
How many casts of cleave did you get?
storm lark
minor gust
How many casts cuz that looks pretty worth
floral ledge
what boss
minor gust
against many
Swap to bleed talent
storm lark
is it a skull spliiter angle?
minor gust
Yes
storm lark
minor gust
Sks is a lot of dmg for Colossus now thanks to tier
fresh spire
Skull spliter basically manditory now. Almost 4% damage node now
storm lark
What are we removing for it?
storm lark
Warlord's torment maybe?
minor gust
Idk about fob
And warlords yeah
I'm at work so can't post a build just using Lakris
storm lark
nvm we killed before i could try the other build
minor gust
F
fresh spire
Is it 3 target long uptime?
floral ledge
nvm we killed before i could try the other build
u ran it on normal or hc ?
storm lark
hc
floral ledge
Is it 3 target long uptime?
i'll say more 2t than 3t
fresh spire
Cleave may not be worth
floral ledge
this is why i didn't take warbreaker
storm lark
Is it 3 target long uptime?
more 2t for sure. At the start u have it 3t alot then less and less
fresh spire
Go hard into ms spamming
minor gust
Hmmm
Makes more sense you were casting a lot of cleaves on 2T weren't you
I assumed 51 casts on 3
storm lark
Yeah idk didnt pay that much attention, but at start u get like 15-20 casts for sure then try to squeeze them in. Like even warbreaker there 2.3 was avg targets hit and theres times where u do it for ST
dim basalt
So thats definitely not a WB angle then
proper iron
wich corruption should i get as arms m plus player
minor gust
Yeah idk didnt pay that much attention, but at start u get like 15-20 casts for ...
Yeah cleave may not be worth
Just full send pretend it's a 2T fight
storm lark
Yeah and the timers are sucky. 1min30s is ST intermission
storm lark
hold for after intermission with this trinket and send it fully stacked on 3 targets
stable fiber
so today 2 bosses killed so far on ptr, and both feels like a fury fight
i think the first one we killed is a very good colossus fight
like
very good
but i didnt get to test colossus on it
calm hollow
i played st on it, with imp ss
stable fiber
2nd one also seems like a good colossus fight
storm lark
2nd i tried slayer and colossus. Colossus was miles ahead
storm lark
pls no
stable fiber
colossus owns
storm lark
jugg is easier now with tierset
sharp wyvern
collosus for council tho
minor gust
jugg is easier now with tierset
Doesn't matter I don't wanna deal with it for a third tier even if Fishy solved the code
And we can just send SD over slam
calm hollow
idk, i would play slayer over colossus in m+ too if it was better
storm lark
if they fix demolish that it wont cancel then im fine
tacit crystal
thats not gonna happen
minor gust
if they fix demolish that it wont cancel then im fine
Spoiler for the most part they did
They increased the range of demolish so if mobs move mid channel it won't cancel
Demolish will only cancel if mobs leap far away
minor gust
idk, i would play slayer over colossus in m+ too if it was better
As someone who only plays Slayer for keys after the last round of Slayer buffs you very much can it is not far behind at all
shadow ibex
die slayer die
fading gale
Yo, is MM cracked right now? Every MM I have in my keys is doing 15-20% more damage than the other dps
magic canopy
Skull spliter basically manditory now. Almost 4% damage node now
Better hope it's a fury tier buddy
olive nest
https://tenor.com/view/guts-berserk-american-psycho-gif-23191099
peak gif i spam that shit in guild discord
magic canopy
Heroic week
magic canopy
Same shit probably
fresh spire
i yoinked it from here
magic canopy
Execute good
shadow ibex
like is odyns even good
shadow ibex
i remember they buffed it at some point
shadow ibex
so they use mass?
shadow ibex
i like that our tier just has a bunch of +% for abilities no bullshit like summoning troll bane or w/e
merry oar
how best to use best in slot weapon and house of cards? which cd's combine
olive nest
macro house of cards to avatar
macro slots to colossus smash
always press ava first
brain off ez mode
merry oar
ty
stable fiber
i have both macrod into cs but it uses house of cards first in the macro
but either way works
olive nest
I started that way but I found windows to squeeze a cs in where i would want to hold ava
so i split them
but ye it does work both ways if you put hoc first in the list
minor gust
Yee I play with HOC on ava and bis with CS
Fury I have them both macrod on ava button
snow flame
Fury is dead bud
reef glade
i like that our tier just has a bunch of +% for abilities no bullshit like summo...
tell me why colossus doesn’t like summon odyn to whip out his meaty cocka and slam the ground with that
olive nest
thank god
snow flame
Until fury gets buffed it’s dead
reef glade
why is it dead neither spec is changing
reef glade
both just run slayer and are better than now
Unless other classes tier is just that much better
snow flame
why is it dead neither spec is changing
Because it does no damage hello
So until it’s buffed it’s an arms tier
minor gust
reef glade
The hell you mean does no damage
minor gust
no way fury ST isnt insane
reef glade
be better perhaps?
snow flame
I mean did you just see my fractious kill
olive nest
cant wait for another ranged tier 😄
snow flame
I’m sure once they buff fury it’ll be fine
But for now it’s bad
Even on forgeweaver which is suppose to be perfect for fury is bad
minor gust
other classes could just be overtuned its first round raid testing and tuning hasnt happened yet
I wouldnt think to much about it
once tuning happens let the doom commence
reef glade
I mean unless other classes hero talents are giving them like 30% increased dmg I fail to see how fury is in any worse of a position next tier than current
Slayer tier is infinitely better than what we have now
snow flame
snow flame
Show feet
minor gust
steep osprey
bro showing specs that have broken tier sets
and then acts like fury is dead
Balance has a tier set that actually makes your starsurge hit for like 110m every once in a while
come on
snow flame
bro showing specs that have broken tier sets
This is how you become op
Remember WW being op all of ptr
olive nest
"baze has no idea what hes talking about"
snow flame
And mistweaver
olive nest
thats why he raids with pc
steep osprey
steep osprey
he raids with personal computer?
olive nest
ooo yikes
steep osprey
THere's no reason to worry about this imo
olive nest
imgaine not knowing a top guild
snow flame
THere's no reason to worry about this imo
Must doom it’s the warrior way
steep osprey
Fair enough
minor gust
minor gust
boomies cried last tier saying how much they suck in raid
Blizz couldnt let them down that long
sharp wyvern
and keep in mind they are probably sandbagging too
snow flame
I did 2.8 as fury
sharp wyvern
untold trench
That is balanced tho, as arms do AoE. Fury do not 
untold trench
Oh, shit, we are overtuned. Nerfs inc
calm hollow
i dont have back socket, but shouldnt matter that much
minor gust
rng
you have good pulls and bad pulls
its wow
you crit more you get more slayers strikes
you win
floral ledge
no
stable fiber
wdym no
steep osprey
Slayer sims a lot higher still on ST
steep osprey
There is a council boss and arms seems good on there
calm hollow
imagine the deaths from channel root
thats literally DF season 3-4
steep osprey
theoretically
olive nest
indeed xD
stable fiber
^
minor gust
demolish faster and can leap
steep osprey
especially if you have haste shit like iftk
minor gust
so you really shouldnt be dying to channel espeically in raid
Even M+ I dont think ive died to demolish since early Season 1
calm hollow
yea its sick when half the raid gets mc
and you are stuck
had to kick someone to wipe the raid
olive nest
surely the half of the raid that is mcd is just becuase they havent activated fighting the dragon for that half yet
olive nest
oh god not the dreaded "hold damage"
calm hollow
yea, even in this gear
we just switched, so we all soak the first 2 soak
whole raid
that way we get less stacks
snow flame
Don’t worry they’ll buff the hp
strange perch
happy birthday @hexed saddle
hexed saddle
thank u pauck
snow flame
Happy birthday @hexed saddle
hexed saddle
thank u baze
steep osprey
thank u baze
Happy birthday
hexed saddle
thank u box
steep osprey
Is it actually your birthday or are they memeing
hexed saddle
its actually my birthday
hexed saddle
26
steep osprey
Not bad
hexed saddle
unfortunately
hexed snow
Happy birthday 
@hexed saddle
wide pebble
This fight fucking owns btw
Is it a lot of 2 target cleave between nexus king and the dragon?
hexed saddle
Happy birthday <:xan:1094127979703062558> <@137363315817971712>
tyty
snow flame
that is a top 10 fight of all time
snow flame
Is it a lot of 2 target cleave between nexus king and the dragon?
not a lot really tbh
you get like 20 seconds max
and then you get the damage amp
which is a pure ST daamge map
it's baasically razageth with silken court inermission with the spikes coming up and sire
sharp wyvern
king
sharp wyvern
the wall boss is gonna be a WA boss 100%
sharp wyvern
not hyped for that thing
hexed saddle
just on stream or are you uploading?
hexed saddle
the wall boss is gonna be a WA boss 100%
what about it needs weakauras?
calm hollow
what about it needs weakauras?
where to go with wall
wide pebble
it's baasically razageth with silken court inermission with the spikes coming up...
Sweet
sharp wyvern
its possible wihtout WA but lets be real its gonna be solved by a WA in the end
spiral coral
I have a full melee pov up if you wanan watch it
hell yeah
sharp wyvern
also that mobility restriction is cringe
wide pebble
The whole raid looks amazing. Very excited to be done with this goblin mecha trash
spiral coral
Yo where can I find it @snow flame 
spiral coral
The whole raid looks amazing. Very excited to be done with this goblin mecha tra...
How dare you. The aesthetic, music, everything was dope
wide pebble
How dare you. The aesthetic, music, everything was dope
The only fight I really liked was Gallywix. Sprocket is fun too
spiral coral
Yeah same
dim basalt
Watching vod of king and holy shit that fight looks cool
charred brook
King is so fun
snow flame
Yo where can I find it <@137623498351837184> <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
My channel!
charred brook
Feels like a fury fight to me
snow flame
I’ll make a short vod after dinner and post it
charred brook
We got a really low pull near the end
tacit crystal
I’ll do both
bazed can you help me do a 17 priory in about 2 hours
snow flame
bazed can you help me do a 17 priory in about 2 hours
Maybe super busy and gotta edit 4 boss videos
tacit crystal
alright