i do
#arms
final dove
wait
no it wasnt
okay im simming now
im only missing a socket on my wrist
prolly be a socket week next reset
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3R3nRWwMoLn2V5rHLgjwo5 yah ticked the box this time nothing
lunar basalt
YO PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME. AFTER TODAYS MAINTINANCE, I CAN NO LONGER USE MY BEST-IN-SLOTS ITEM ABILITY!!! ITS GREYED OUT. I RELOADED MY ADDONS, UNEQUIP, LOGGED OUT, EVEN REPAIR MY GAME FILES. BUT NOTHING WILL FIX THIS, ITS STILL GREYED OUT. ITS LIKE ITS BUGGED SOMEHOW. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME
final dove
sour forge
YO PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME. AFTER TODAYS MAINTINANCE, I CAN NO LONGER USE MY BEST-...
You’re probably better off submitting a ticket
shadow ibex
fast wharf
Repair
reef glade
was that real spill someone in here said opp is like prio over 3 exe in execute
doesnt execute just do more damage
what it seems like for moi at least
can see it maybe to like "stay afloat" in rage or something
better long term vs short term maybe
rare kite
was that real spill someone in here said opp is like prio over 3 exe in execute
Yeah as long as you don't have 2 MP stacks then it's technically prio over everything. Guides say ep2 is above everything so most people follow that
Apl says the 2MP thing
Diff very minor, idk nr tho
reef glade
o ig mfe is somethin that exists that im not thinkin of
cuz like average crit execute does like 100k more than op but max crit is like 3mil more
shadow ibex
it doesnt really matter. MS crits matter most
vestal isle
I love figuring out that my polling rate has been destroying my frames for the past two tiers
and I had lag tolerance at max in settings
now it feels like im playing a whole new game
immediately hit higher parses tonight
cinder bison
anytone got updates on BiS belt now ?
grand idol
ripe hill
Anyone knows why my seismic reverb deals almost 40% lower than simc even deal in the same situation as simc
pulsar mantle
no fk designers for warriors?
astral yarrow
no fk designers for warriors
reef glade
no fk designers for warriors!
thick kelp
no fk designers for warriors.
daring heron
we got half gcd for hamstring
sour forge
Tomorrow here comes the 500% buff to hamstring
unreal fog
we got half gcd for hamstring
astral yarrow
we got half gcd for hamstring
its legion arms in the making with the hamstring spam for focused rage trust
jade whale
guys is it worth changing to arms from fury at this point of patch or should i wait for 12
minor gust
? you can swap anytime when you want to play the other spec
secondary stats arent gonna stop you
jade whale
yeah but refcrafting all fortune items to crit feels like a lot
minor gust
you dont need to recraft anything just craft 1 crit ring and your good
feral breach
Yeah you can swap from fury to arms pretty easily even with suboptimal stats. Doesnt work in the other direction tho
idle warren
Where's the gear vendor on the 11.2 ptr?
minor gust
Yeah you can swap from fury to arms pretty easily even with suboptimal stats. Do...
you very much can play fury in arms gear secondary min maxing is a very minor portion of your dmg. At most you ever need to do when swapping between the specs is swapping out a jewlery or two
latent moss
arms cares very little about stats colossus just wants a lot of crit
which u can fix with a single ring pretty much
valid reef
i have fully optimised arm gear and if i want to switch to fury for fun a bit will it effect my overall damage on dungeons
i got very focused crit based items with haste
minor gust
not enough for you to notice
valid reef
thankfully i have eye of kezan so my mastery rate goes up to 37%
latent moss
i mean fury isnt optimal anyway in keys compared to arms
valid reef
i can screenshot here ?
latent moss
just take a mastery ring and u are fine
it doesn't really matter much just replace the other ring with a heavy mastery one and u are fine
fresh spire
Holy ashbringer
minor gust
this was all a bait to flex the corrupted ashbringer mog
valid reef
sorry for that 🙂
i will have to farm crafted items for mastery and arms is really fun now
some people have this item to highest ilvl how >?
fresh spire
feral breach
Well you can get it hero track in vault or with a map in delves
valid reef
what that means ?
feral breach
Well in delves you have a once per week chance to find a treasure map, using it on 8+ delves gives you a random hero track delve item, including the posted trinket. You can force the map by spawning the underpin with an item you can buy for 2000 of the delve currency(the item and currency are warbound). He will always drop the map if you didnt get it yet
I personally got it through the vault
hard rock
Would Static Charge (versa) be a move over Critical Chain for higher keys if it's a sidegrade sim (no diff)?
or is it bait
slow saddle
Warrior changes when ?
icy mulch
<@218217312346570752> did you hear about the fenniken fox woman 😦
I have, I'm still grieving.
It's such a tragedy that someone who brought so much happiness to the world and saved so many animals is met with such evil.
zinc wolf
Oh yea i imagined you would know about it too
icy mulch
To everyone who reads this, if you are feeling depressed or even down, reach out to someone. Don't suffer alone.
Anyways, back to Warrior chat.
mystic obsidian
which one is better, myth signet or hero house of cards?
hollow plover
which one is better, myth signet or hero house of cards?
sim it
if the sim says its close then just go HoC
cuz feels nicer to use
sick leaf
What do people bind BiS to? It’s getting all my stuff off rotation trying to manage it manually
Macro it to*
fresh spire
Own button. Can't really macro it as it runs risk of offsetting avatar/hoc later on
dreamy sandal
What do people bind BiS to? It’s getting all my stuff off rotation trying to man...
Yeah, need to manage it manually
If your trinket/avatar is up in under 20 seconds its not worth to press it.
Otherwise just send it
calm hollow
Own button. Can't really macro it as it runs risk of offsetting avatar/hoc later...
if you dont own a hoc, its fine to macro it tho
but in full bis, you need a button for it
only time its important btw, is at 6 mins
outside of that, it cant offset anything if you use it on cd
wait, even at 6 mins it cant, since you Bis 15 secs later
but if you for some reason hold something, it might, so just bind it to a key alone
minor gust
Just macro both HOC and BIS to ava with HOC written first
That way your saving a keybind
calm hollow
ugh, you will forget to press it again
spiral coral
Just go play a couple games of StarCraft 2, learn how to stretch your fingers out like a spider across the keyboard and make some more keybinds 
grim haven
@boreal quartz @tepid sparrow @waxen elbow @crystal spruce @strange perch @dull siren
crystal spruce
cool
dull siren
sick leaf
lol thanks guys - I think I need to just mechano amp so I can have to passive trinkets
Two**
Stupid trinket has eluded me all season
shadow ibex
ugh, you will forget to press it again
hollow plover
lol thanks guys - I think I need to just mechano amp so I can have to passive tr...
passive trinkets in my bags mentioned
olive nest
🥄
hollow plover
wrecking throw is higher filler prio than slam ?
shadow ibex
8 min first kill on heroic dramamine or whatever final boss is
shadow ibex
wrecking throw is higher filler prio than slam ?
600% AP def more than whatever slam is
sly haven
what abilities do u guys use on brann as a arms warrior
olive nest
8 min first kill on heroic dramamine or whatever final boss is
Kezan going hard on that heroic fight week 1
strange perch
legendary pull ahh tmy in skyhold
fresh spire
shadow ibex
Kezan going hard on that heroic fight week 1
building stacks watching whatever 2 min RP intermission phase
limber river
is the main stat still crit?
olive nest
Crit/haste/mastery/vers are the stats we use
feral breach
Simming best approach
olive nest
We use strength and stamina too those go pretty hard
feral breach
Strength also good
limber river
so i cant just go from fury to arms and be on my way? got 44 mast 11 crit
minor gust
Speed is bis
feral breach
Armor also good
Armor more strengt more zug
Yes, you can swap fury to arms without any major problems
olive nest
Ideally you’d want more Crit yeah, but all you can do is run simulation and see what it wants you to equip based on what’s in your bags
minor gust
so i cant just go from fury to arms and be on my way? got 44 mast 11 crit
Craft a Crit ring or 2 and your good
Secondaries barely matter in this game
limber river
i'm still running cyrce for my fury build, fml..
stoic echo
Armor more strengt more zug
My sim says to use the str stam leg armor. Is it wrong?
nova coral
with what do you guys line BiS in m+? just on CD 20s after HoC or with a specific spell?
olive nest
I macroed slots to colossal smash / warbreaker and haven’t looked back
HoC is with Ava bind
limber river
is ther a hard cap on how many cata charges you can get~?
eager sigil
i think 8 or so
limber river
ahhhh shiiiii
fathom jetty
Crit proc on belt is equiped, how is everything beating it with mastery even being at the top?
suppose i got enough crit already?
olive nest
stable fiber
Crit proc on belt is equiped, how is everything beating it with mastery even bei...
how short of a sim is this
is that 5m5t?
smoky kayak
Crit proc on belt is equiped, how is everything beating it with mastery even bei...
you should just link it if you have a question, because that screenshot tells us exactly nothing
sly haven
Is it better to run ilvl681 on both main and offhand than 1 heroic best in slot on offhand?
sour forge
Sim
dreamy valley
when to use bis if i use 2 passive trinket's, from start with all cd's y, and then how
olive nest
With colossus smash on cooldown
dreamy valley
ty
violet steeple
Is it better to run ilvl681 on both main and offhand than 1 heroic best in slot ...
Gonna be rough to do as arms big dog
olive nest
devout pewter
what abilities do u guys use on brann as a arms warrior
small dinos and the big robot you pilot for a moment... works good for 11, but pick what's fun and works for you 🙂
olive nest
https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-dancing-husky-funny-gif-14085100
Goodest boy
shadow ibex
nexus king seems like the most awesome fight
obtuse eagle
in arms 2 tar, do we do the aoe rotation or st?
boreal quartz
St
shadow ibex
and if that void mount makes it 2t 
gilded basin
the fact that i have to redo skittering breach and the other shitty delves even though i did them a thousand times is crazy
slow saddle
Ahh
stable fiber
the fact that i have to redo skittering breach and the other shitty delves even ...
do them at a 1 big dawg
takes 3 minutes
stable fiber
and you only need skittering breach
gilded basin
do them at a 1 big dawg
cant if im in raid
i just wonder why its not just unlocked for people who did delves
makes no sense
slow saddle
I mean u want ilvl u need to do 1
slow saddle
Abyways
tacit crystal
be me when it takes 5 minutes
obtuse eagle
when the tank is grouping up a pull that takes a while, do you guys just cleave and thunderclap shit?
minor gust
depends on the tank, the player, and the mobs.
chilly coyote
Just watch and wait
minor gust
If the tank is holding solid threat as they pull you can start building collat stacks and applying bleeds as hes pulling
tough tangle
If they are just running through and gathering no, if they touch them up a bit a tclap doesn’t hurt
minor gust
if the amount of threat he has is low because hes pulling like 5 packs together and waiting for them to full grp before he blows his loud then you should be letting him do his thing.
minor gust
Fishy has been playing with it
stable fiber
its gotta be strength of arms
stable fiber
then do you go arterial bleed or one against many
if you commit to the bit you go arterial bleed i think
minor gust
if your commited to SKS I would go arterial
stable fiber
i feel like bleed build is better in higher keys mby
obtuse eagle
how do you guys sync up warbreaker and avatar with everything else? for eg: i was just on a boss, warbreaker had just come up, avatar had 11 sec and thunder roar wasnt up for like 30 sec
just feel like i can never get them lined up
minor gust
i feel like bleed build is better in higher keys mby
should try spear colossus shit fucks with the big demo and MS crits
minor gust
I dont think it will be better than bleeds especially in higher keys
but its kinda fun for the big numbers
minor gust
yeah spear is just funny for the big bonks
now im more wondering if its worth holding TR/sks until you have a fresh tier set buff or demolish is up instead of just sending
minor gust
how do you guys sync up warbreaker and avatar with everything else? for eg: i wa...
Never hold WB but hold Ava for WB and TR just send that shit when its up
dim basalt
Will I be disappointed when I do raidtesting with the expectation to have 100% jugg uptime with new tier?
minor gust
yes
dim basalt
Damn
minor gust
you can still get omega unlucky and drop it
hexed snow
you can still get omega unlucky and drop it
But its better right?
minor gust
I mean yeah but it's just a band aid on a wound that needs stitches.
hexed snow
I mean yeah but it's just a band aid on a wound that needs stitches.
Wow in a nutshell
minor gust
Is sks back in the M+ build for Col Arms?
🔮
fresh spire
(probs)
minor gust
You think it's back then two weeks from now they do a random rework on it and make it shit and then leave it like that for the rest of the expansion.
gaunt owl
minor gust
olive nest
dim basalt
timber vector
in m+ is using the buffed cleave from collateral damage worth on st
gaunt owl
yes
untold pewter
Reclear? How about prog 
shadow ibex
https://tenor.com/view/guts-berserk-american-psycho-gif-23191099
97 on mug even tho i lost stacks at worst possible
ill take it
olive nest
Yoo let’s go
Hopefully my team will actually rekill it this week lmao
Been having rough reclear between absences or people not doing mechanics
shadow ibex
seems like a lot of ppl check out when they get CE
i kinda hate that
lowkey wish they woulda put mount on vendor for a coin if you got the mythic kill
olive nest
It’s rather irritating indeed
shadow ibex
cuz i dont need #3 dinar at all
olive nest
100%
olive nest
Ye honestly that was a missed opportunity
Always has annoyed me that everyone in for the kill doesn’t get it
Like I also did 1500 combined boss pulls to full clear amirdrasill, that easily earned the owl but nope had to wait until faited and hope for the best (worked out for me fortunately)
shadow ibex
lmao
back in amir guild i was in only got fyrak once
i never liked that owl anyway
dim basalt
in m+ is using the buffed cleave from collateral damage worth on st
It's practically even at 5 stacks
kindred oak
is charged bolts on this shit belt still the best for us? M+ player mostly
last saddle
is charged bolts on this shit belt still the best for us? M+ player mostly
even this week before charged bolts nerf it was still bad in M+ bc it can target stuff that isn't aggroed during the proc
so it would just wipe u sometimes lol
mortal rivet
bis
severe haven
How does you guy's stat distribution look like
stable fiber
i have some crit, some haste, some mastery, tiny bit of vers, whole lot of strength
olive nest
holly re killed mugz on second pull
we changed to the method strat of stacking by fire for the last mine bait and just ignoring them and zug
ez pz
obtuse eagle
is mortal strike really a higher prio than thunderclapping in aoe?
assuming that rend is already on the tar
olive nest
what are we padding on with wrecking throw for gally
pretty much while hes spinning right
celest forge
How is arms literally the worst Stix spec
I swapped from the recommended archon arms talents to the recommended fury talents and went from dead last DPS in this raid to top. Over 1.4 million more DPS
My secondaries are statted for arms.
celest forge
is mortal strike really a higher prio than thunderclapping in aoe?
Don't forget your sweeping strikes
shadow ibex
what are we padding on with wrecking throw for gally
It's better than slam with no shield
Can just use it when far cuz of suppression
zealous lily
Hello, new arms warrior here, was wondering if cleave is ever used in single target? assuming im using the archon talent build for m+
arctic iris
Only if you have collateral damage stacks (from other mobs that have since died).
nocturne lily
is there a weakaura that tells you if rend needs to be spread still in aoe?
earnest imp
anyone remember the name of that scrolling text that gives you the damage of abilities during combat?
thick kelp
nameplate sct?
wary raft
/console floatingCombatTextCombatDamage 1 ?
dim basalt
I swapped from the recommended archon arms talents to the recommended fury talen...
Archon
dim basalt
Is OAB worth doing as arms slayer? Or is still Colossus
Slayer for sure
strange perch
@fresh spire
fresh spire
Hi
strange perch
Hi
hexed snow
Slayer for sure
Tack fisk
thick kelp
eah
slow saddle
Sweet.🤣
modern silo
minor gust
It's ptr bruh it doesn't matter
thick kelp
I plan on raid testing as Colossus as well today
play with the colossus blord build 👍
minor gust
I will
thick kelp
Sadly slayer is way better still r?
Miles ahead
thick kelp
Possibly
minor gust
Unfortunately you can still be unlucky and drop your stacks
Still hoping they have Jugg change in the works
thick kelp
Yeah it can still drop even if you dont have to move from boss
slow saddle
But atm it almost always drops
minor gust
I was really hoping to with more slayers strikes BS would have enough and consistent CDR to line up with WB for keys
But unfortunately not
slow saddle
So it goes frol super lucky. To unlucky ifor it to drop
thick kelp
yeah
minor gust
Just a bandage for a wound that needs stitches
slow saddle
Ofc
minor gust
Need the Jugg change as well
slow saddle
Juggernaut can only die to slowly
Tom + juggernaut = unholy creation
Or well again juggernaut. If slayer wasnt a thing
Would be fine
But in classical blizzard move they make interactions that suck🤣
minor gust
Yee Jugg was always fine until Slayer and 2 stack SD came a long
Now it's super cringe
slow saddle
I mean i still think juggernaut sucked
Id rather just have a better naked execute
But it served a function or letting our execute dmg rise
In longer execute parts
boreal quartz
Yee Jugg was always fine until Slayer and 2 stack SD came a long
I mean it was always a shit talent
It just got worse
minor gust
I didn't care for it that much back in DF
slow saddle
That 1 season
minor gust
Wasn't really moments where you lost your stacks so I didn't carr
boreal quartz
But s3 also had an ultra banger iteration of fury
boreal quartz
I loved it
slow saddle
I loved it though
boreal quartz
slow saddle
Ye all in all, also my fav fury
boreal quartz
tindral
slow saddle
I loved that fight
boreal quartz
Hated it
slow saddle
It had a great pacing
boreal quartz
Fyrakk was good
slow saddle
After nerfs
boreal quartz
Tindral was horrible if u didnt play with good ppl
slow saddle
It was also not to bad, even in my top 1000
slow saddle
1100 i think we were
boreal quartz
I left at 200 or so
slow saddle
I thimk we used 250
viral locust
700 pulls? Did you have monitor switched on? 🤣
boreal quartz
700 pulls? Did you have monitor switched on? 🤣
Idk man they died p1 in those still
slow saddle
Tindral pre nerfs was insane though
boreal quartz
I preferred fyrakk
slow saddle
Once u got used to the dance
boreal quartz
Mainly cuz i played with better ppl on it
slow saddle
Fyrakk was even better
viral locust
Tindral was fun I think, smolidie though people just letting balls in disgusting lol
slow saddle
Like killing fyrakk felt like a proper race
slow saddle
I tried arms on smoldy
boreal quartz
Aids with Tom fatal
slow saddle
Was just so much harder haha
Also fury could tank shit
On another level
Arms was squishy af
slow saddle
I meant for living
I played arms on fyrakk it was great, but season 3 fury had good execute phase
shadow ibex
Nexus king is gonna be crazy
boreal quartz
I played arms on fyrakk it was great, but season 3 fury had good execute phase
fyrakk was a hard p1 on arms ye
but skill check
do it right u live
on fury u need to fuck up twice or u die
thick kelp
do it right u live
ip on cd bigsmile
minor gust
yee was about to say
minor gust
if u were using IP enough and Dstance early P1 Fyrakk prog as arms was fine
minor gust
boreal quartz
aoe soak dstance, suck ins dstance
ye it was wild
charred brook
I remember I had started a trial for a guild in season 4 of Df, after never doing any of amir and they kept getting mad at me for dying on smoldy and tindral
I was getting so frustrated
boreal quartz
i also died on fated szkarn when i had never pulled it
(i have ce for the tier i just skipped that rat shit)
charred brook
Lmaooo
minor gust
Smoldy was my kryptonite on some nights
charred brook
Well as it turns out being colorblind really sucks on smolderon too
charred brook
Yeah same
charred brook
Any clue if this very rare axe is gonna be our bis
slow saddle
Ofc it is?
charred brook
Seemed like the only 2h in the raid
Very cool our bis is the only very rare then
That will own
zenith lodge
I hate stat weights, sims are telling me that there is not a single 684 neck thats better then a crafted 681 xDDDD
charred brook
Link your sim
slow saddle
Very cool our bis is the only very rare then
Like bis now?
thick kelp
Cooked gearsetup if rik neck isnt bis for you
slow saddle
And mythic weap will be fine
charred brook
Yeah but a mythic weapon can’t loot everything around you..
zenith lodge
Link your sim
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nAjzXTqs84ehRDeTYaDDxQ heres for the raid, gotta run a new one for m+ so give me a sec (couldnt find it)
thick kelp
better 2nd trinket to repalce pacemaker, first boss helm, the mastery haste boots + rik reverb neck
you will gain 70k on sim
GG
and recraft into duskthread
also your 2nd ring is eh
zenith lodge
does gear compare still work or is it cooked since it stopped getting support
charred brook
Also try simming belt on haste/crit/mastery too
thick kelp
does gear compare still work or is it cooked since it stopped getting support
just add gear from the top of topgear
charred brook
I had to run haste for about a week until I got rik neck too
charred brook
better 2nd trinket to repalce pacemaker, first boss helm, the mastery haste boot...
Do you think for m+ there’s a better trinket than pace
Im running hoc and pace
We don’t pull around Kazan yet because I’m the only one with it
thick kelp
Prolly not if you dont play around kezans
charred brook
I would assume pace beats out funhouse lens right
charred brook
Well yeah
I mean statistically if it’s better I’d run it
But I wouldn’t want to
And end up with triple on us because of bis lmao
God that would suck
zenith lodge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eourqWsCtAbmZgnpgoq9xx did I do something wrong (fairly new to sims so not too sure what im doing)
thick kelp
didnt add boots from rik or a better trinket
fresh spire
Guys it's over. Jon blizzard sent me the stats and it's looking like a thane fury tier
It's jover
minor gust
soft dew
Guys it's over. Jon blizzard sent me the stats and it's looking like a thane fur...
Oh no 😦
slow saddle
I hope so, thane would be fine
wind flicker
Guys it's over. Jon blizzard sent me the stats and it's looking like a thane fur...
For m+ or raid? Or doing ur weekly quests?
charred brook
Guys it's over. Jon blizzard sent me the stats and it's looking like a thane fur...
I wouldn’t mind if the tier set was buffed
I would love thane m+ too if we just got let mega resets on TB from it
Since it’s uncapped
fresh spire
Thane tier set is actually dogshit
Slayer and colossus tier is good so far
Like very good
fresh spire
They need to either buff it massively or rework it
Think feedback that's been asked is a rework as sets boring and uninteractive when compared to colossus and slayer
Like slayer and colossus fit into gaps of the set and enhance things that smoothen them out
minor gust
They need to either buff it massively or rework it
Btw are you holding Sks/TR at all if you dont have the bleed amp up
fresh spire
I haven't set any line ups for it
But its a must take for St rn
Battlelord>jug
We got hold of tier for sims today so been slowly chipping at stuff while working
Slayer is just ahead of colossus. Both tier sets strong. Colossus needs a pick me up buff
minor gust
yeah tier sets I feel like just cement both hero specs into doing well with what they already do well
Slayer raid Colossus M+
thick kelp
aahuha
fresh spire
But the bleed talent is around 1.2% behind cleave
So bleed Dungeons could be a think
Keyword could.
minor gust
yeah I no way your going no cleave
fresh spire
I mean nornal dungeon build
But bleed cm>one for all
More targets more bleeds catch up.
Longsweep seems up front still weaker than colat
minor gust
I can see bleed taking over on super high counts but thats really it rest of the time its just nice added dmg
ontop of your cleave/MS spam
fresh spire
If you had high sustained targets for longer periods maybe.
But we all know bursting those like 6 hit mobs gonns be all people care about
minor gust
excited for some colossus raid testing I like its dmg on dummies slayer still needs time to really build up
fresh spire
I cant see slayer beating colossus in keys
Also best part about slayer
We still have the weakaura which is a problem. But you sd>slam always now
Dps gain to just use it over slam while using it otherwise to prevent overcapping on stacks/keeping jug rolling/mfe3
vast drum
Is there any ranged that play anything close to arms? Looking to try smth new that still is closeish to warrior lol
vast drum
Ehh close enough
olive nest
@shadow ibex adds die so fast on gally can’t pad!
minor gust
The comet trinket is funny sometimes
minor gust
We still have the weakaura which is a problem. But you sd>slam always now
thats an improvement atleast. Still I dont want anything less than a Jugg change
candid pecan
But bleed cm>one for all
horrible sample size, it was 1:00 AM last night, joined a +10 key on the PTR with aug and arcane..
played SKS and Arterial Bleed over One against many.
mage prolly sucked, but colossus ST with SKS and bleed talent was pretty insane ngl.
look rend and dw dam, look
minor gust
yeah the bleed dmg adds up with this amp its strong
fresh spire
Ngl
I can see them buffing bleeds in colossus
They got like 200k St difference between colossus and slayer to make up
Found better sd line
Sd when mfe1+ or jug
steep osprey
horrible sample size, it was 1:00 AM last night, joined a +10 key on the PTR wit...
This actually better than the other one?
minor gust
they prob just gonna do the buff Demolish first two hits by a big number
candid pecan
I can see them buffing bleeds in colossus
buff Arterial bleed to 10% per stack up from 5% 
fresh spire
We can press shiny button in s3
minor gust
to only buff colossuses ST
fresh spire
buff Arterial bleed to 10% per stack up from 5% <:ratge:890357732543168594>
Yeh this is what I was thinking they might do
candid pecan
This actually better than the other one?
i'm not sure...
felt a lot better on ST For sure
steep osprey
Yeh this is what I was thinking they might do
Isn't it 3% though?
minor gust
its 5
candid pecan
its 5% now
candid pecan
and make bloodborne 1 point... 15% or something HOLY
steep osprey
Yeah I don't think slayer uses Bloodborne right?
minor gust
it does
olive nest
Bleed damage seems cool
fresh spire
Depends if they have plans for us I guess.
olive nest
Kinda like big ms/exe though ngl
candid pecan
Depends if they have plans for us I guess.
first they will nerf slayer tier once raid testing is over
then we'll see
fresh spire
Spec that's had a 1% tier entire expansion suddenly had a good tier
olive nest
Yeah my issue with that damage graph though is I want execute to feel strong personally
fresh spire
It's not even optimised and its ahead of Arms slayer
Moment boys cook new execute line it's jover
steep osprey
Spec that's had a 1% tier entire expansion suddenly had a good tier
It's intended though, isn't it? They said everyone's getting at least a good tier set
olive nest
I know some don’t like the whole execute niche but I think it’s cool
minor gust
Yeah my issue with that damage graph though is I want execute to feel strong per...
I mean bit of a bait graph I didnt press exe at all on dummies besides for SD procs
olive nest
I mean bit of a bait graph I didnt press exe at all on dummies besides for SD pr...
Ahh ye that’s fair point
minor gust
We can press shiny button in s3
So your saying it will be better to just press the button and not give a shit about jugg
olive nest
Thanks to giga slayer strikes procs yeah probably
dim basalt
We still have the weakaura which is a problem. But you sd>slam always now
What the fuck
olive nest
SD > slam is still a win in my book
teal fossil
Bless
unreal mountain
if hes top tier damage rest did troll for sure
im just joking he probably did good but still arms is so far behind
real birch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uZBb3iiE1tBzXk1RWCbh4X
What would you prefer buying? We are at 6/8 (7/8 today hopefully). Im not sure if the House of Cards is really "better" in not 100% perfect play over the passive crit from mplus.
teal fossil
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uZBb3iiE1tBzXk1RWCbh4X
What would you pr...
House of cards is a passive trinket if you macro into avatar
real birch
but then Best In Slot becomes more or less an active button 😄
sacred zodiac
but then Best In Slot becomes more or less an active button 😄
you should be pressing that near on cd anyways
didnt actually check what sim does with just bis no active trinket but holding it for minutes at a time losing several uses cant be right
fresh spire
I found something better than sd>slam
It's just use sd for sd2/jug/or one+ stack for mfe
violet steeple
You'll keep em on CD and never overlap
sacred zodiac
Macro HOC into avatar > macro BIS into colo smash
do not do this
violet steeple
Eyeroll
You will never overlap them doing this unless you're a mongo moron who doesn't do rotation properly
sacred zodiac
thats just not true unless you like losing ava casts or holding cs for long times
violet steeple
What are you talking about
I'm not the only one doing it this way lol, and if you're sending CS before ava when both are up and putting your trinket on CD
Refer to my "you're a mongo moron" portion
eager sigil
thats just not true unless you like losing ava casts or holding cs for long time...
careful he is yellow name and smarter
violet steeple
No, I'm coming off a long break and Spongie is a goat, but for 99.9% of players who press their buttons properly this way will work perfectly fine
violet steeple
A lot of people do, it's not even a controversial thing lol
olive nest
Just press the Ava bind first 4head
lol
Do NoT dO tHiS every time it’s asked in here
violet steeple
I think we very regularly forget almost 0 people in here are trying to giga max their parse ranking with absolutely perfect fight timing usage
And anyone who is certainly isn't gonna come here to ask us
olive nest
Exactly
sacred zodiac
mm yes give bad advice and have people come back asking why their 90 second trinket doesnt align to their 90 second ability
violet steeple
In what world
Does it not align
Are you holding CS for 20+ secs?
Or are you purposely not comprehending what I'm typing
sacred zodiac
you are apparently since you can't press cs without pressing bis aswell
violet steeple
I think we very regularly forget almost 0 people in here are trying to giga max ...
^
real birch
you should be pressing that near on cd anyways
Yeah but Its like macro HoC to avatar and then press BIS 30 secs after (when theres nothing up anymore) feels weird.
violet steeple
Why in the fuckin world if I'm planning for Ava+HOC coming up in 30-45s
Would I want to hold my CS+BIS for 30/45s
You're acting like it's a 2m ICD, and it's not, so this doesn't impact them AT ALL unless you are quite literally giga parse lord holding for perfect things
And if so, you're not asking for help here
olive nest
Something something slots/cs available and ava/hoc is less than 20 seconds away
Haven’t had this happen to myself
So idk when that scenario would happen
violet steeple
And if you are going after giga parse lording and asking here...you're not gonna giga parse lord anyway
shadow ibex
It can get weird at 6 mins if things are ever held
violet steeple
Yes, if you make it to the top 20ish you should probably have the skillset to separate every on use perfectly on diff keybinds with a plan, but it's a VERY rare case where that would cause an issue
shadow ibex
But really just fuck this x2 on use
violet steeple
^
That's the real part
Really hoping we can move away from these on use weps in midnight onward
real birch
Sorry that I dont understand but you are saying just macro HoC and press Bis when its up combined with the next CS window?
misty bridge
depending on raid trinkets we got Sacc and pacemaker next season
violet steeple
Something something slots/cs available and ava/hoc is less than 20 seconds away
For the record, if this happened...you'd be holding the CS for ava at that point likely anyway
Sac+pace pog as fuck
misty bridge
charred brook
i dont understand how pressing CS first would even stop your hoc from going off
if you start the rotation the right way
You will Ava + Hoc
and the next ava your HoC wont be off cd yet anyways
violet steeple
^
sacred zodiac
i dont understand how pressing CS first would even stop your hoc from going off
no one has claimed this is an issue
charred brook
Thats literally what you guys said
violet steeple
I mean you really haven't explained the issue at all, you've just said "don't do this"
minor gust
I macro HOC to ava and Bis to CS and I dont give a fuck
sacred zodiac
Thats literally what you guys said
where
minor gust
I just pay attention to BIS CD
olive nest
Sorry that I dont understand but you are saying just macro HoC and press Bis whe...
Linc suggestion to you (witch I also agree with) was to do the following
- avatar + house of cards macro
- colossus smash + best in slots macro
- press avatar before colossus smash every time and vibe
minor gust
and use it before hand to it doesnt desync my HOC + ava
charred brook
mm yes give bad advice and have people come back asking why their 90 second trin...
this
violet steeple
The only reason "don't do this" would apply is the very rare, very high end early pushing (top 20ish) space, or when giga parselording
charred brook
how would hoc not align with avatar
verbal marten
spongie has anger issues just ignore hiom
sacred zodiac
I mean you really haven't explained the issue at all, you've just said "don't do...
have you literally never cooled down a bis+cs <20s before avatar before?
real birch
Linc suggestion to you (witch I also agree with) was to do the following
- avata...
Ok thats what I understood then 🙂 tyvm
violet steeple
No, I actually haven't
I don't even understand outside giga parselord holding that that's happening to you
sacred zodiac
have you done like 2 raid fights total in the season or
charred brook
Whats the cd on hoc and whats the cd on bis
violet steeple
So again, if that's what you're after....this isn't what we're here for
shadow ibex
Discord demon goin crazy in the chat
charred brook
let me log on and look
verbal marten
bis is 2m
shadow ibex
Bis is 2
olive nest
Yes they never desync unless you hold Ava or cs for something
verbal marten
it doesnt matter anyways the season ends soon so just send that shit off cd when u got a cd up like cs and bs at the same time
charred brook
then next CS you cast bis
olive nest
And honestly even on gally where you hold shit it hasn’t been an issue for me personally
charred brook
then your next avatar will be HOC again, and say somehow you cast CS first before avatar, bis will still be on cd
sacred zodiac
And honestly even on gally where you hold shit it hasn’t been an issue for me pe...
what are you holding for on gally
charred brook
So i dont see a world where you have to worry about not having your 90s align with 90s
sacred zodiac
do you not cd the shield then cd the adds?
violet steeple
Not long enough to desync anything
olive nest
First go with Ava is when first adds spawn around 35ish seconds?
So cooldowns align with p2 add spawn
Was my understanding
charred brook
Oh maybe you do a different one
I send ava on pull
then it comes up halfway through 2nd adds
sacred zodiac
ya i might try that
charred brook
only thing i hold on pull is dragons roar
minor gust
theres 2 popular ways u can do ava
sacred zodiac
cringe boss to parse anyways
charred brook
it is
minor gust
send on pull or hold for first add set
shadow ibex
Only fun arms boss is mug
charred brook
you have to find some way to pad on adds in like every fight
its super cringe and annoying
charred brook
you will never get a good stix parse after like week 1/2
unless your guild allows it
in my case i have a boomie and 2 ele shamans so i wont ever
olive nest
My point was that even when holding you always do Ava+hoc first so I don’t understand the 20 second desync issue
violet steeple
These giga buffing %ile wise, dinar seasons are always dogshit to parse in
olive nest
Enlighten me if you will
violet steeple
Parses have gotten ridiculous, if you're above 90 you're playing phenomenal
violet steeple
You're in the margin of RNG in various senses
shadow ibex
I got a sexy mug this week
violet steeple
Including if your team goes giga AOE vs ST "just wanna clear farm" people
charred brook
shadow ibex
I lost all my jug at worst possible but had great p2 otherwise
charred brook
i didnt prog mug so im not super familiar with my cd timings on it
shadow ibex
I just send insta
charred brook
do you have to swap to the adds when they get broken
cause they damage amp
any close ones i just mouseover execute sweep
but like should i jump to the other ones
shadow ibex
Only thing I'll hold is BS with second charge when he rotates right cuz always a stun puddle there and I'll bs right after charging to not risk any stun
I just execute them to keep stacks
The shield ones die so fast sometimes I won't even MS
Just mouseover it for a quick stack
Of jug
minor gust
depends if ur raid is killing them or not sometimes you can get multiple globals on them sometimes you hit it once and its dead
olive nest
Tmy is just insanely goated
olive nest
The man will dm private logs that gap the rank 1 public by like 400k lmao
violet steeple
They spend time aligning all their CDs etc with every minor amp/add spawn etc, they also kill them early and then kill them 6-8 times more than you in a tier with a good team that does their roles properly
charred brook
i know lmao
shadow ibex
Just crit with more MS than not
charred brook
literally what he said to me lmfaoo
olive nest
violet steeple
I have a few top 10s on later bosses and I can promise I just slammed shit on CD, it really does get a bit RNG-esque at a certain point
charred brook
how do you do it?
"Idk bro i just slam shit on cd i dont think"
telling u hes a robot
twin mica
Just crit with more MS than not
so grab 100% crit rating and never not crit right?
shadow ibex
I was so proud of my rank 1 laro with no legendary axe
Beat the Chinese guy by like 1%
violet steeple
Example my world 8th or w/e nelth is because half our raid died and I got an extra CD set on adds at the end of the fight < I didn't earn that parse with giga play, RNG of my team being dumb and us excelling at AOE at that point lol
charred brook
Yeah like
shadow ibex
Uncapped roar go
charred brook
This last gally kill
I was holding cds for 2nd intermission adds
but we killed before and i wasnt paying attention
shoulda just sent
violet steeple
I just kill the boss and let the chips fall man
charred brook
missed out on an entire avatar
shadow ibex
I'd only hold as fury
charred brook
oh i was fury
charred brook
im gonna go full arms now tho tbh
im arms for title push so like
i dont feel like swapping all the time
shadow ibex
I saw that and then I do an arms gally pull
charred brook
ill just blast boss damage
shadow ibex
And it is thenworst experience
charred brook
lmao
minor gust
My rank 2 Gally parse was because I got a full Ava roar BS off on 2nd intermission adds cuz no one elses padded hard on em
shadow ibex
I swear I fuckin hate that fight
daring heron
we dont even get the last adds now
thick kelp
silly mistake to raid 6 years into the tier
charred brook
i tend to figure out one set of cd lineups during prog and then never change and get mad at myself for low parsing
im just a silly guy
violet steeple
Send on CD barring phase always and never notice/10
charred brook
you know ive come to realize that a bit over this tier
just like...not caring anymore and just wanting it over with
kill the mf
violet steeple
The only place I actively overthink CDs is title keys, but even then...half the time "send it" is the right answer
charred brook
Its funny im going through that this week
violet steeple
Barring like boss is sub 10% and you're about to go into a huge pull or an amp phase is coming or like...the pack is basically dead
charred brook
up until i got 18 resil i just sent everything on cd all the time
now doing my 19s and 20s im sitting here like..do i need to hold for this or that
and i feel like i lose out on damage for it
think im just overthinking it
violet steeple
My personal internal rule is if I'd get 70%+ of the CDs on the pack/boss...I send, if I'm only gonna use say 8s of avatar? Don't send, save for next pack
charred brook
i had this idea in my head that as long as i get the full value of the cd its worth no matter
esp since our cds are so low
okay so thats like the same thing
good to know
violet steeple
Some of that also comes with watching your team...if your UHDK just sent and the pack is 15%...don't also send for example lol
thick kelp
My personal internal rule is if I'd get 70%+ of the CDs on the pack/boss...I sen...
Drag your guild to ptr
we got some echo dome aldanis to do
violet steeple
Bro I came back and joined some rando 2 day with some cool vibe peeps, it's not competitive LOL
I'm in the retirement home now
shadow ibex
This tier has felt like it's dragged on forever
Doesn't help when finally get to raid it's dealing with jugg stack gameplay
thick kelp
I'm in the retirement home now
But bleeds are bleeding
thick kelp
what talents are you running rn
neon ocean
I deeply hate the % buffs in raid
Even in more casual guilds the buffs are often a core factor of comp, I'm kinda tired of it
neon ocean
I like my guild and will keep playing with them but for example I was thinking of going DH next tier and that's basically not an option
violet steeple
The problem with removing raid buffs would be
Let's say...mage is 2% better than all ranged, and DH is 1.3% better than all melee
Every comp would be all mage/DH
neon ocean
There are at least exceptions to that via damage profiles
For example the last boss of next tier supposedly has a 200% damage amp that lasts for 15 seconds
warm fog
I like my guild and will keep playing with them but for example I was thinking o...
Why not?
neon ocean
You'd want specs that can maximize that small window
shadow ibex
Fuck sks
teal fossil
You'd want specs that can maximize that small window
Then I’ll stack 15 of those specs
For that boss only
olive nest
How’s rage feel?
latent moss
ye that was my idea as well i was just wondering if its actually better than cleave spam
and i didnt play ptr yet
might play it now or smth
neon ocean
For that boss only
Definitely not wrong, that still happens in classic right now even cata classic
Doesn't make fighting for spec spots any less annoying though
Someone always has to give up what they want to play
Or just leave and try to find people to play their desired spec with
thick kelp
ye that was my idea as well i was just wondering if its actually better than cle...
better aoe but
i think 1v5 cleave
wins
better st**
latent moss
depends what u want then ye
reef glade
careful he is yellow name and smarter
latent moss
shouldnt be
latent moss
and value drops in more targets
cause dots are uncapped
1v5 might be dead ngl
and cleave is softcapped at 5 for some reason
dim basalt
Uncap TC pls
thick kelp
Overall breakdown xdd
latent moss
nah thats sick ngl
olive nest
Yo that demolish on top is hottt
latent moss
finally dots doing something
reef glade
Why did I read the words giga parse lord 15 times in 2 minutes
latent moss
whats ur uptime on bleed 4p
reef glade
Reading that conversation
reef glade
cluegi
thick kelp
spam cleave and fill with ms
latent moss
thats with imp ss as well right
thick kelp
yeah
latent moss
finally
thick kelp
minor gust
whats the thought process of imp SS over collat?
dim basalt
Just wondering if 2% crit might be worth more than 2% haste in class tree
dim basalt
hm
latent moss
whats the thought process of imp SS over collat?
more colossal might
dim basalt
Yeah we sure need that rage in M+
latent moss
cause u sweep more
ms
i think demo cdr is the most important part
more demo = more everything
minor gust
more colossal might
idk you stack super fast even without it feel like the collat dmg would still be bigger no?
latent moss
u stack it faster with imp ss
dim basalt
I dont see how cd is weaker than iss as well
On average you will get 2 more cleaved ms out
vs cleaves that do 10x damage every 30s
minor gust
its prob a lot closer now than it was last season for sure
thick kelp
wassup gang
minor gust
wassup gang
latent moss
i will sim it in a bit
charred brook
1.3% in like 5t
feels like im doing piss damage compared to other specs
is it like
pre stack collat and get demo to 10
then cds + demo
thick kelp
im not playing collat
charred brook
oo
charred brook
interesting
latent moss
tclap > op if u dont have rend on all targets for sure ye
thick kelp
ye
latent moss
if there are a lot of targets u want rend on everything
charred brook
so we want to
full stack demo -> MS -> SS
into CDs?
or just rip them mfs
im trying to maximize the set bonus amp after demo with CDs
dim basalt
Why SS after MS
latent moss
i would cleave demo for sure and try to minimize lost globals with demo buff
charred brook
Why SS after MS
sorry SkS
latent moss
u want to ss sks
latent moss
oh u meant sks by ss
dim basalt
Kinda h ope this becomes the actual build
latent moss
ye ig
dim basalt
I like some diversity
latent moss
Kinda h ope this becomes the actual build
100% will be in higher keys with bigger pulls that last longer
1v5 just gets outscaled in big packs
charred brook
Like charge -> SS -> Stack might to 10 -> Warbreaker -> Demo -> AVA/RAV -> MS -> SKS
thick kelp
if you just cleave ms spam
shadow ibex
I love this set up
So many globals to start doing aoe
Don't forget the sks sweep
charred brook
i would do anything to not play SkS