arms

[minor gust]

yeah

some are cheaper to craft than others

[raw helm]

okay, awesome. much appreciated.

[safe island]

new belt charged bolt for every mythic raid boss?

[balmy kindle]

Think charged bolt is best in all contents, it's a 1.5% increase in ST minimum, loss in aoe is negligible

[slow saddle]

Make sure its correct mace!!!

2h with str.

[raw helm]

definitely will do!
also for mythic+ should i sim for best weapon enchant or is one default better? wowhead just has authority of depths and radiant power but not if one is ST or AOE

[slow saddle]

I just use depths

But sim

And add the 2ndary ones as wrll

[balmy kindle]

Used to use depths but swapped to council since I only do up to H prog

Lose a ton of aoe dmg not using council( abt 3.5% )

[alpine falcon]

It’s doing around 100m per key, not even rend damage overall, idk if i like it.And the fact that can break the cc whenever you wanna skip something, is fked up.

Maybe they fix that and than can be worth using and not risk deplete the key.

[balmy kindle]

Yeah I just knew about the CC break too today as well , I think it ninja pulls stuff too

[alpine falcon]

Yeah, that’s really bad

I swapped to secondary stats, always good

[balmy kindle]

Like was doing DFC ytd and thing was doing some wonky stuff

[alpine falcon]

There are alot of skips in dungeons and it’s gonna fk up so many keys😂

[balmy kindle]

It does do alot of dmg though , what a shame.

Was like 2.5-3% on overalls

[dim basalt]

The dmg is really rng

I check raid logs and sometimes it does 50k dps, sometimes 200k

On the same fight, ST

[delicate pagoda]

how do i sim the new belt cant find the difrent powers in sim

[sacred zodiac]

cancelaura the buff

[sacred zodiac]

click the +

[delicate pagoda]

cheers

[spiral coral]

jesus, blizzards getting it from all sides

even starcraft players wigging rn

[candid pecan]

if they can add this to prot, they can add something similar to Arms too 🙏

2 points for 10% on arms KEK

[dim basalt]

I feel like if they did something similar they would just copy this

[candid pecan]

without the "no longer affects Thunderous Roar" Roar is down bad

[dim basalt]

I can live with that

But BB and SD being on the same node is really bad

Matters less for prot but I wouldnt want that ngl

[candid pecan]

there , these changes for arms 🙏

[dim basalt]

Imagine if they also buffed FBV that much for us

👀

[slow saddle]

Would make it a no choice

Col always bb

Slayer always sd

[dim basalt]

exactly

[slow saddle]

Sadnes

Well tbh not like sd procs rly matyer

As col

So...

[rare kite]

not really a choice atm either for raid. forced to take sd as colossus for st as well

[slow saddle]

Yea

But i would not mind if col was slightly more bleed pre exe

And sd was more exe

[rare kite]

oh i agree. i like the suggestion, was just pointing out that the "no choice" argument isn't really relevant anyways

[slow saddle]

True true

Current bb is just bad

[candid pecan]

Fueled by violence 200% HOLY, with the 100% Deep wounds amp from tier set, on 5-10 targets we wont need any healing.

[dim basalt]

Even with current values its pretty nice

[slow saddle]

Placement and 5% per talent

I want sks to fuck

🤣

[wanton sierra]

good morning fellow arms, i heard about some fun stuff, new dh class... monk brew rework... new class tier sets, how about arms news, do we got some ?

[vernal crypt]

Short recap: arms still exists

[wanton sierra]

[gusty nymph]

arms has the right to exist

🙂

[vernal crypt]

Just don't go stepping out of line and killing adds too fast like fury 🚔

[wanton sierra]

xD

i quite liked the new colossus tier set, we got some garantee ms and some bleeds attention

maybe arterial bleed builds? fun

[vernal crypt]

Sks bleed builds can you imagine

[wanton sierra]

shiet, sks should have reworked!

[latent moss]

colossus tierset fucks

slayer keeps jugg easily

eating good

[rare kite]

that is not great news. tho it is better than the giga rng it is on live

[latent moss]

more sd is always good

its not the solution but it helps

ideally they either remove it or make it 5 stacks or something

like archi and krisp proposed

still a long way till patch releases

theres time for changes if they want to

[rare kite]

yea it's a bandaid. but it's something

[wanton sierra]

fucks? you mean we will slap? colossus meta class?? hholy shiet

[latent moss]

idk its way too early

its just numbers if u are meta or not

[minor gust]

🔮

[latent moss]

you could have the most ass sounding tierset and be meta

[minor gust]

Crystal ball till release

[latent moss]

cause u randomly deal 20% more damage than everyone else

[sacred zodiac]

demolish click button good

[latent moss]

demolish is cinema

cdr is crazy

[minor gust]

The good thing is them fixing the demolish range issue

When mobs move

[sacred zodiac]

what did they do

[sacred zodiac]

arms #1 target for the weird special weapon that only has crit to farm more ms crits real???

[minor gust]

Increased the range of demolish. Me and Fishy were testing it on ptr. Mobs that leap super far can still cancel but tanks moving them mid demolish cast shouldnt cancel now

[latent moss]

based

[sacred zodiac]

they should reduce the range instead

[latent moss]

test of might skullsplitter awaits you

[sacred zodiac]

is it back?

how does slarms feel with tier btw

is jugg no longer gamba or is it still

[latent moss]

really good on st

i could keep it easy

[steep osprey]

gamba is better

[sacred zodiac]

ok but is this back

[latent moss]

[minor gust]

Easy to keep Jugg up

[sacred zodiac]

50% more SDs will do that to u

[minor gust]

But can still get bad rng

[latent moss]

maybe

[sacred zodiac]

do not clueless me and tell me the truth

[latent moss]

need numbers

it makes sense

[halcyon breach]

spiteful serenity

[wanton sierra]

we need rework on sks, its wasted talent, got fixed and reworked and nerfed

[sacred zodiac]

never left

[latent moss]

spiteful serenity test of might fatality smolderon tech

[sacred zodiac]

they should revert sks to the iteration where it just gives rage

nothing else

[latent moss]

btw

[sacred zodiac]

so i dont have to see that button on my bars until the warr dev is cycled out

[latent moss]

mortal strike critting on a target is just a buff

dots on all targets do more damage

not sure if thats intended

[minor gust]

Would assume so

[sacred zodiac]

thats kinda funny

is that not just 100% uptime then

[wanton sierra]

8 sec long buff, it will be almost 100% uptime, we cast alot of ms in that "8sec window"

[latent moss]

it is

100% uptime for sure

ms fucks

[sacred zodiac]

ah well sucks that its just a passive tier then

[minor gust]

I was getting around 80% uptime on ptr

It's close

[sacred zodiac]

kinda read like it could be a fuck up one guy in the pack type tier

[latent moss]

tbf it is kinda

cause u want to spam ms

so u will fuck up 2

[wanton sierra]

replace sks for mortal combo, (every 3rd sucessful crited ms it proc an second also crited ms) i just like the sound of it, demo sounds is fun too, with lust and everything up

[minor gust]

SS also consumes both 100% Ms crits

[latent moss]

ye ik i tried it

kinda disappointed ngl

would be funny

4 crits in 2 globals

[minor gust]

Hope that's fixed

[latent moss]

2395723 cm stacks

[minor gust]

Or changed

[latent moss]

also if u roll exhil

holy shit u do some much damage on 2 targets

on opener

with the 20% increased crit damage + demo debuff + 100% crit chance on 2 ms

u build demo so fast

[fresh spire]

Uptime on the proc is pretty high

Running with like 40% crit on gear will help it.

Feels pretty blank. But works with aoe

[latent moss]

im running pacemaker and that strength + crit on proc one

might be why

i have like 50% crit when both are procced

[fresh spire]

Just remember guys

Fury warrior hasn't exactly had a tier bonus this expansion.

Fury will rise up

[wanton sierra]

council guide, funhouse lens, pacemaker, void ritual... we will have plenty of crit ^^

[lucid thicket]

No we were good the first real week of the xpac and then fucked since then

[fresh spire]

Me spamming this button when downtime

[thick kelp]

[fresh spire]

Never stopping. Always yelling

[wanton sierra]

downtime buttons for me... when we need to run or something... thunderclap, heroic throw, storm bolt and battle shout xD

[fresh spire]

Battleshout. Annoying the raid. Always spam

[latent moss]

BRO FINALLY

IT PISSED ME OFF SO MUCH GOING IN TO DF

[wanton sierra]

battle shout shoud be on rotation, with low duration, rage manangment and all

[fresh spire]

Can't wait to have a tier bonus that procs from abilities

And we stack it with shout

[hollow plover]

im gonna macro

[steep osprey]

Battle Shout was a cd before because it used to generate rage

but they forgot to change it until now lol

[fresh spire]

👴

[wanton sierra]

i remmeber xD

[thick hamlet]

is it 100% that we're not getting changes for arms/fury?

[steep osprey]

No

it's not

Lots of changes get made during the entirety of the PTR cycle

not just the first build

[thick hamlet]

what changes are you referring to

[steep osprey]

any

class changes

tuning

[thick hamlet]

i'm under the impression that the patcch announcement notes is what blizzard always intends to ship with

[latent moss]

unlucky for you

[steep osprey]

Those get updated

with new changes

I've been there for plenty of ptr/beta cycles

I know how it works

[latent moss]

thane is not coming to live in this state

[thick hamlet]

that's cool

ill keep coping for a little more then

[steep osprey]

yeah, if every class pretty much gets really good tier sets

no way it comes out like that

I think they should make TB always proc ionizing strikes

and buff the ionizing strikes

4p can stay the same

actually they could buff ionizing strikes through the 4p

[latent moss]

make one part of the tierset

tblast resets the cd

u tc bt

tblast procs

cd reset

[steep osprey]

it's not that important tbh

[latent moss]

u can tblast

[vernal crypt]

Not to worry guys, it's surely intended that TB is going to hit more than 5 targets that's why the proc % is so low

[latent moss]

yeah its just qol

idk how much it impacts the numbers

[steep osprey]

i don't really think it impacts much

[latent moss]

since u have 2 stacks anyway

of tblast

ngl i hope they do a mini of rework

[steep osprey]

I don't think ive seen what those strikes look like

[latent moss]

and give us s3 df

like how thye mini reworked prot

removed jugg added execute cleave etc

thane with that tier would do stupid prio

[steep osprey]

The only thing I want for them to do is make fury's aoe competitive in m+

THAT'S IT

and I'm flying to the moon

with happiness

[latent moss]

8t cap

would do it

wouldnt even need to adjust the % cleaved

[steep osprey]

100% cleave 5 target

don't @ me

[latent moss]

arms 100% cleave 2t

real

[plain latch]

100t sweeping

thoughts

[slow saddle]

Pls yes

Also sweep of gcd

And avg buff of bleeds // bleed talents let col cook pls

[olive nest]

Hope for perma 2T boss

Arms owns

[latent moss]

colo would fuck that boss up

imp ss blademasters

[slow saddle]

Rework of avatar capstone

6 sec reck bitch pls

[latent moss]

and the rage generation is 25%

xdddddd

[slow saddle]

🤣

Tbh could be on cs again

With little issue

Exept demo having a good time

[weak rain]

2t boss with slayer tier set is going to be absurdly strong

in general I think in perma cleave situation slayer is going to feast

[slow saddle]

How?

Woulndt demo cook even more

[weak rain]

every op = spin

[dim basalt]

Demo would be better in burst

But not sustained

[slow saddle]

Rly hope, demo end up being the better

[dim basalt]

Once Slayer reaches exe phase its gonna annihilate in MT

[weak rain]

would be hillarious if slayer pulls ahead of thane on 5t perma cleave because of set

[slow saddle]

I rly wanna raid as demo

[weak rain]

me too

but like slayer set is too good

[slow saddle]

But ill play strongest

Cba to hamstring myself

[weak rain]

pvp players eating well aswell with hamstring gcd buff

[stark tundra]

I wanna know, is it better to spam my MS asap when it reset instantly ?

Or should i stack it up first with OP and exec ?

Same with cleave

[olive nest]

Sudden death if conditions are met
Or an opportunist proc is higher prio
Than a MS reset

In M+ build just spam cleave if it’s up

Unless sweeping 2 targets, then MS of course

[stark tundra]

I see

thanks

[tough tangle]

When your overpower flashes on your bar hit that over MS

[wanton sierra]

cinderbrew 18

[quaint otter]

[wanton sierra]

i tried to top that dungeon... but they said even if they die a couple times, they still would do more dam

[latent moss]

dw king

next season

[teal fossil]

remember to count bshout damage

[quaint otter]

I dunno i pulled 5.5 as ww

Sadly not timed

If u timed gg

[wanton sierra]

I think im rotatin wrong i mean, i feel sometimes i waste big chunk of stacks of colateral dam

[quaint otter]

Ye if u send it when wb/ravager coming soon

[wanton sierra]

I try to send it with 2x op

[weak rain]

dw next ssn warrior meta 4sure

[spiral coral]

Doubt. I think you did super well and you played with pumpers.

[latent moss]

possible

collat is pretty tough to line up

[sick leaf]

I don’t think hyper optimizing collat would have bridged you to their dps. You did well

[latent moss]

obv not but it would help him

[dim basalt]

5M+ in that dungeon is def possible though

[latent moss]

the more he does less they do

cause pack dies faster

[sick leaf]

True

[wanton sierra]

5M on that dungeon is the "normal" right ? i mean on hier keys like 18 19

[dim basalt]

Dunno hard to generalize

[wanton sierra]

but ty! im always tryin to improve, how about that 1 rotation button? maybe i learn the real rotation usin it

[dim basalt]

But as long as you timed the key it doesnt matter

[latent moss]

collat optimization is just timing it properly

i found it hard to do in pugs

more unreliable than "hard"

if u know the route its possible to plan it

prestack before key also helps in some dungeons like cinderbrew

[dim basalt]

Isnt CB the only key where you can prestack

[latent moss]

i guess

[wanton sierra]

yes i didnt farmed it on that cinderbrew

[latent moss]

workshop maybe

[dim basalt]

Workshop is tough

[latent moss]

if u can get speed

[wanton sierra]

cinder, mother load

[dim basalt]

Do they also remove prestacking for us with next patch?

They did for enh

[latent moss]

i hope

[wanton sierra]

i dont like that prestack thing

[dim basalt]

Its stupid ye

[latent moss]

i dont like having to stack demo on opener

in general

i wish they solved it somehow

maybe ava gives 10 stacks

or something

[dim basalt]

I dont mind it as much as we have to delay cds for CD anyway

Assuming no blademasters

[latent moss]

slows down our opener quite a bit

esp if u get unlucky with ms crits

[dim basalt]

Thats true

[regal dragon]

Whats the thoughts on the tier set?

[dim basalt]

Slayer is pretty strong but boring, Col is interesting but needs testing

[regal dragon]

Ooooh gotcha, honestly I'm thinking of playing a different class for 11.2. Warrior has my heart but its been very boring lol

[dim basalt]

Going from one class with issues to the next class with issues

But at least they always have one strong spec

[regal dragon]

Hey I havent chosen yet 🤣

[regal dragon]

Been thinking between Evoker, Druid, or Mage

[dim basalt]

Go dh in case they really get a 3rd spec and gamba whether its gonna be good or really bad

[regal dragon]

But so many people will play that and itll be fotm which idk doesnt set well with me 😂

[dim basalt]

Is the dh playerbase even big?

[bitter escarp]

all tiny

no big

[dim basalt]

Im not sure if people would willingly reroll

Because the dh gameplay is not for everyone

[regal dragon]

Thats true

I mean it does make my brain go brr with the gotta go fast and move everywhere

but also

magic

https://tenor.com/view/magic-confetti-awesome-gif-11884906

[spiral coral]

TW dungeons taking longer why

[regal dragon]

Cause blizz is like suffer

[spiral coral]

Nah I think it’s cool

Easier to learn as a tank

Was fun pinging a new tank through AD lol

can we plssss kill the totems at the same time

pretty pls

There’s gonna be a few noob groups that are gonna do phase one, a lot 😂

Don’t even have to be a noob I was leveling a DH at level like 22 doing no damage to one totem while the others get nuked and I’m pinging my totem while the regeneration timer goes out

[shadow ibex]

It's funny they removed spell block because people have to look up what it can block

Meanwhile I need a spreadsheet for spell reflect

[dim basalt]

Imagine making the game mroe accessible instead

By giving more info

[shadow ibex]

And a fortune teller to tell me what second wind works on

[olive nest]

Nah you don’t just send that shit on cooldown when damage is happening and hope for the best

The true warrior way

[shadow ibex]

Lmao

[olive nest]

[shadow ibex]

Yea let me research second wind

[vast surge]

Damn blizzard’s really been phoning in these warrior tier set mogs for a bit now.

[sour forge]

I kinda dig it tbh

Better than s2

[dim basalt]

Its really similar tho

[candid pecan]

holy fuck I got baited hard

[slow saddle]

Ahah same

Our 11.2 u can spam battleshout

[worthy mortar]

guise your opinion with x2 fury warr, x2 ret pala, havoc, hunt, and me arms should i save cds pot for 1st adds on gallywix or no?

[slow saddle]

Just dmg boss

[olive nest]

No id do boss damage p1

[slow saddle]

No point doing anything else

[olive nest]

Sweep what you can p1

Minor cooldown hold before p2 adds

Both sets

[slow saddle]

Roar + bladystorm

[worthy mortar]

👍 got it

[spiral coral]

Who we got Vitality or Navi?

[shadow ibex]

It's crazy how different fury was in mop

[strange perch]

@tacit crystal

https://tenor.com/view/wise-mystic-tree-wise-tree-wise-mystical-tree-gif-26939504

[wanton sierra]

if you compare since wow classic, it changed like crazy...

hey ive heard that they are working on classic +

season of discovery is over, and now they are working on classic plus, is that real?

[dim basalt]

They didnt confirm but said theyre working on something new iirc

[wanton sierra]

hey what means iirc?

[tacit crystal]

if i recall correctly

[wanton sierra]

lol!!! i thought it was some disgusted noise, like "eew"

[broken arrow]

When you tell her that you play warrior and she gets the iirc 🤣

[modest marlin]

I've ran an absurd number of delves this season, how the hell is it just now that I got this haha. Cool appearance.

[dim basalt]

The void mace from next season looks even better imo

[empty sluice]

62

[dim basalt]

hahaha 62%

Thats an insane number

[finite panther]

62 is crazy

[olive nest]

@fresh spire They nerfed our bolt!!!

[fresh spire]

good

might have some choice with the new item now 😄

seeming every fucking class used it

[prime bramble]

Imagine having a tuning ptr and still needing to nerf something by 62% kekw

[torn oracle]

What do you mean? 🙂
We are the beta testers, and we're not even paid for it!

[olive nest]

Surely we run Crit or mastery now in raid

[dim basalt]

Pretty sure they cant really collect useful data on some random patch

[regal dragon]

Crit haste again, gotta go fasssssssst

please

[stable fiber]

think its crit

[olive nest]

Big crit big crit

[regal dragon]

i cant find the crit

[daring heron]

where crit

[regal dragon]

[olive nest]

there crit

[shadow ibex]

i swear if DH get a whole void spec before any war spec can get a rework

[strange perch]

crit cake

[fossil thistle]

Do you guys need help finding the crit?

It should be at the top 🤔

[naive sage]

Mastery pie

[jade ember]

Don't worry guys Blizz heard your problems with finding crit so they're buffing Critical Chain

[regal dragon]

itll happen

[dim basalt]

We know that the datamined meta is not a boss ability

Not sure how glyphs work, if they completely change the spell id or not

Because if so it could be a glyph that changes the meta appearance and thats it

Though in that case it would be havoc only which is weird

[manic stirrup]

evoker got 3 specs before dh got a third

its fair

[rare kite]

a glyph doesn't count as a spell

new dh spec is prob very real

[olive nest]

Crit!!!

[boreal hawk]

is this too low crit ? https://prnt.sc/4y3ENKXUbVae trying to use fury gear into arms but i cant reach higher crit (mixing some pieces with the fury gear)

[rare kite]

ritorno vitale

[boreal hawk]

its the lifesteal

or whatever is in english xD

[rare kite]

i know hahahh, just love the weird names in other languages

[boreal hawk]

❤️

[rare kite]

but to answer your question if the sim tells you it's enough crit then it's enough crit

[boreal hawk]

is there a way to sim stats

specifically

[sacred zodiac]

kind of yes but theres a reason its insanely obfuscated and hidden

you can't properly make decisions around it, top gear/droptimizers are just better for how you make gearing decisions in the game

[lunar remnant]

Arms / fury buffs when idc bout prot

[boreal hawk]

hop soon

[weak rain]

why buff dps warrior when slayer set exists

[heady shale]

I saw the Tom Cruise Bladestorm movie in my feed.

Do we have big Bladestorm back in S3? Like idk something that procs big bleeds and demolishes?

[weak rain]

no we just press rotation as slayer and win

[heady shale]

So we are so back ? (To frost dk)

Got it

[stable fiber]

say this when prot unironically looks like itll be the worst in 11.2

lul

[dim basalt]

Imagine taking one of the best defensive cds in the game from prot

kek

[regal dragon]

i need to see if theres any videos up showing off our dps i needa see it

for 11.2

[kindred oak]

should I be buying the Best-in-Slots off of Wrexxle in Dornogal? dont want to waste Cartel Chips. ilvl is 647, weapon is 645 right now

[dim basalt]

Only if you can buy the mythic version

[kindred oak]

lol hell no i hardly raid mythic anymore

[dim basalt]

Then you should craft a weapon instead

[kindred oak]

ok thanks

[quartz adder]

Does arms have some kind of execute damage amp other than execute that hits like a noodle?

[tacit crystal]

juggernaut

?

[quartz adder]

Like more damage on certain spells under 30%?

[tacit crystal]

there is executioners precision but its dependent on execute

[quartz adder]

Like under 30% do we ramp

im playing colossus

[tacit crystal]

not really no

only if you have juggernaut

[calm hollow]

talking about m+ i guess

[quartz adder]

Y

[calm hollow]

there you dont play juggernaut

so just do your normal rotation

[shy tide]

if you dont play EP or jug then execute is just a stronger slam

practically

[calm hollow]

yep, filler if you cant press anything else

[quartz adder]

i love to ramp

[calm hollow]

well in m+ you wont

[quartz adder]

Im a new warr, thats why i asked

[calm hollow]

its kinda weird that execute is so bad, that you dont even use it in m+, just as a filler

[dim basalt]

Thanks jugg

[quartz adder]

rlly wish execute did dam

[calm hollow]

Jugg suck

they even nerfed execute by like 10% before the tier start

clueless devs

but hey, dont you like it when you get frost boots on Mugzee in exe phase and you drop 15 stacks and go bak to 0 dam for a minute?

[dim basalt]

Dropping 15 stacks at 36%

[hollow plover]

Fire

[calm hollow]

happened too many times to count it

then 0.5 sec later a 3 stack slayer strike proc out of nowhere

[quartz adder]

Is slayer playable in m+? or colossus that much stronger?

[dim basalt]

Playable but col is a lot stronger

[calm hollow]

you play colossus in m+

not worth to play slayer

[minor gust]

You can def play slayer into title range keys it's not that far behind

[olive nest]

Bro this is the most infuriating thing!

The proc happens as the buff expires

[dim basalt]

When you hear the kaching the millisecond jugg runs out

[steep osprey]

When you get sd right on the gcd as you’re supposed to press execute

But it runs out

[broken arrow]

I don't even track jug, that way i'm never disappointed

[calm hollow]

or the boss parry it, thats even better, you expect the jugg to refresh and you see nothing happened

[dim basalt]

Or even worse, mugzee just eats it

Fuck that boss ngl

[calm hollow]

is that a thing? i thought i was on something when that happened multiple times

[dim basalt]

Yeah it seems to be a thing

[calm hollow]

i was like nah, i pressed it

[dim basalt]

Happened to me a lot of times and Crit got a clip of it as well

No idea why its only mug tho

[calm hollow]

oh wait, i tell you one better

when mugzee finishes intermission and last spin

sometimes it decides to hit 1 on a warrior

and insta kill it

[dim basalt]

huh?

[calm hollow]

yep

very rare

but it happened to me

and others too

[dim basalt]

lmao

[calm hollow]

we checked the clip and log multiple times

nothing happened, boss stops spin, targets me, 1 shots, and keeps going with tank

[dim basalt]

Oh now that you mention it

It happened to me as well

But only once during entire prog

[calm hollow]

same

only once

but after that, i was always afraid that it could happen

makes me stress

and i cant do anything about it xd

sad i deleted the clip

found the image our RL found about it

[sharp wyvern]

[kindred oak]

are we spammin mortal strike instead of execute using colossus talents in m+?

[minor gust]

Execute is just a slam replacement for Colossus

[kindred oak]

ewww, i hate that my weakauras want me to use it tho

[minor gust]

Idk what to tell you

[dim basalt]

I do

Get better weakauras

[kindred oak]

i just didnt realize it was so weak. ill learn to ignore it

i dont know how to make them so im stuck with this shit

[minor gust]

Just the way prios go when you don't take any execute talents

[calm hollow]

which wa tells you to execute?

i hope you dont play SD in m+

[rare kite]

colossus in m+ forsure

so no sd

[calm hollow]

i saw weirder things

just asked

[rare kite]

oh lmao you mean for him. i thought you meant for next season, like speculating

[calm hollow]

naah

just for him

[rare kite]

i forget there are people still doing content this season

[calm hollow]

same

[dim basalt]

tfw I wanna go to bed but still so much of my protein shake left

end me

[minor gust]

Blend chicken broccoli and rice and drink it

This is the way

[dim basalt]

Nono, you gotta do it the Rühl way

Water, tuna, tomato essence (or whatever its called in English), rice waffles, pepper, salt

[celest blade]

rice waffle

[serene hollow]

do you have the log on hand? i'd like to look at it

[calm hollow]

i might find it, let me check, it was more than a month ago

[serene hollow]

similar things have happened to us, and it was usually a tank's fault

[calm hollow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QVhpGCRqackN3XgW?type=deaths&fight=24

i think it was this one

[serene hollow]

very hard to tell, but I would assume that your tanks are out of range of the boss

looks like neither of them were casting anything that requires melee range when you died, not that that necessarily means out of range but it's suspicious

[grave mulch]

"woke up" Charged bolts nerfed" Thinks blizzard is lazy and shit at balancing"Fun detected gotta nerf it

[shadow ibex]

P sure it was blasting shield adds on mugze so im glad

[minor gust]

that is indeed how it works but yeah rather be using a stat one

[wide pebble]

Is it expected that Eye of Kezan gets nerfed before the next raid tier? Trying to figure out if I should spend my last dinar on Eye or Capital Punisher

Have everything else I’d need: Pacemaker, HoC, Jastors, BIS, LocknStock

[teal fossil]

no

its not even the best trinket this tier

[shadow ibex]

i think he means when fights will be long again

early prog kills might be 5+ again

[reef glade]

Probably like the best trink to carry into next season’s bosses for that reason but also consider 684 is max lfr item level/early normal ilvl so pretty damn likely you’d replace it with something pretty fast, not like it’s gonna be used for any serious mythic prog past the first or second boss most likely

[sage haven]

how do we sim as arms dslice or patchwork 5 targets ( seems for me dslice favors way to much haste)

[minor gust]

pick your poison

[magic canopy]

whats the update on gallysmix smorbsmish

ive been busy playing poe have not been a watch man

[reef glade]

perishd

[wide pebble]

Yeah I was thinking about when we are progging longer raid fights

[reef glade]

Yea I mean heroic and early mythic fights are gonna be pretty long for sure and while it might help maybe do some more damage on those first like 2-3 weeks I think it’s pretty reasonable to assume it’s getting replaced very fast

684 is not a super high Ilvl and I don’t think it’s like “so broken” like spymaster was you use it giga long term

[wide pebble]

ok cool, thanks! The other thing is that I'm pretty sure I'd be the only one in my raid group rolling on Capital Punisher at this point, and I won't even use it in push keys

Cuz arms

[reef glade]

Yea I mean punisher even less valuable probably

Higher Ilvl weapon instantly replaces it and then you’d likely bis offhand till you get a second weapon

[wide pebble]

tru

[reef glade]

so I mean if ur literally just missing those two single items and have everything else like jastor/hoc/bis whatever u want kezans prolly gonna see a bit more use at least

can sim it against however long fights are next season until you may get something better

but I mean eh farmable sacbrood and a lot of the raid trinkets look insane so ye kinda who knows

[wide pebble]

Yeah sacbrood + pacemaker farmable together pretty soon

hype

Kezan the play, also a help in keys with a coordinated group

o7

[magic canopy]

woooo

[wide pebble]

gz!

[stable fiber]

this the cook yeah

(ptr)

[thick kelp]

what the helly

finB to EP

sks vs massacre hmmge

[sour forge]

Tier bleeds pretty strong no?

[thick kelp]

idk

[rare kite]

dots do be fucking atm

[thick kelp]

buffing bleeds that do 0 damage is still 0

[rare kite]

this is just 5m dummy on ptr

[thick kelp]

Looks decent tho

[sour forge]

Is that with bb too?

[thick kelp]

2nd in dmg

[sour forge]

18% passive damage do be crazy

[rare kite]

yeah same build khazix has except i ran bloodsurge over finishing blows just to test it out

[thick kelp]

i think bloodsurge abit shit

I would maybe prefer EP

[rare kite]

yea i don't think it's good either

[stable fiber]

bloodsurge no good

[rare kite]

EP definetely better. was curious about bloodsurge sks

[thick kelp]

if you are playing with SKS

i think finishing blows is useless too

as sks generates rage

[rare kite]

but the point about dots doing damage still stands

[stable fiber]

yeah u right

[thick kelp]

yeah

[stable fiber]

finishing blows is ass

[stable fiber]

i was close then

[thick kelp]

its by no means bad, but it loses alot of value when you start including rotatinal abilites that generate rage

and you might be correct, who knows yet

as our tiersets arent implemented yet

[stable fiber]

i need a dummy that doesnt just die instantly

[thick kelp]

its just all feely crafting atp

[stable fiber]

to test fatality

[thick kelp]

that wont happen xdd

maybe in ironforge or silvermoon

[rare kite]

almost 24% of my damage is from dots. that's pretty good, tho keep in mind i cannot proc fatality on that dummy

[thick kelp]

24%?

[rare kite]

aye, roar as well

[stable fiber]

about same number i had when i hit dummy

[thick kelp]

o yeah

[stable fiber]

dots doing damage is a welcome addition ngl

[thick kelp]

will be a good tierset for m+ I think, since our rend is uncapped

[sour forge]

Either way arms seems pretty fun next tier

[thick kelp]

and DW is uncapped

[sour forge]

Slayer execute spam feels goated

[thick kelp]

just need to make sure to tclap abit more

[stable fiber]

was it DF S3 when rend owned

[rare kite]

oh wait 23%. cannot math, 19+4 xD

[stable fiber]

you didnt even need sks

[thick kelp]

also if u wanna try, play with TOM instead of iftk

[sour forge]

I think so. Something about SD procs right?

[thick kelp]

df s3 our SD's casted tclap too

[rare kite]

that sounds pretty ass for dots no? alot less ticks

[thick kelp]

due to tierset

[sour forge]

But the demolish/ms crits

[thick kelp]

its not that many less ticks and you have a constant cycle of dmg amp going, your average tom will be around 30% increase STR

your dmg profile will be flat as fuck but

[rare kite]

ugh ToM...

[thick kelp]

In s1 I was getting consistent 27% toms

with going nearly 35% tom with lust up

i think with current gear

you can probably get closer to 35% natty

altho you might need to degen a bit with slam over OP etc.

and sks bad during cs xd

[sour forge]

You’ll only press sks once after demolish and once during demolish cd though right?

[thick kelp]

you would want to basically press it on CD

aslong as its not on the same global as MS

and in execute it falls alot in prio, mostly used to gain rage when below 40

or 60

[sour forge]

Ah. Thought you’d want to take advantage of the tier bleed buff

[thick kelp]

you could try playing around it

mostly feely crafting rn

[stable fiber]

i feel like tom you have to slam a lot

i hate slam

not a fan

[rare kite]

damage is around the same with ToM or iftk. tho i might be playing a bit wrong for ToM

Tho less dot damage with ToM

But might also be around the same coz i wanted to try out that trinket from before

[thick kelp]

your slam is alot lower here

and execute alot higher

[stable fiber]

5m haste colo

only executing when SD proc

[thick kelp]

what dummies ar u guys hitting

the on in dornogal pillar?

[stable fiber]

kelpfist in dorn

[rare kite]

ye tru, did do a decent amount of executes to try and get ToM higher

i'm in stormwind

they really should make dummies that are only in execute and dummies that can't be in execute

forgoing execute until sd procs is fine, but iftk gets alot more value at lower target hp

[stable fiber]

i feel like tom does too right

cause i mean how to you consume rage without inting your dps as colossus

[rare kite]

not if you only press execute with SD and pretend the dummy is at full hp

well for testing purposes outside of execute it doesn't. but obviously test of might gains alot in execute

my point was just that you cannot test iftk outside of execute when the dummy is low. whereas for ToM you can

[latent moss]

i doubt tom is better at st

but in aoe

it gets a lot more complex

need numbers for this sort of thing

i feel like tom is a lot more rng if u could high roll exhil to fit 2nd demo into it that would be huge

[latent moss]

maybe in exe as slayer but sd works against it

if sd contributed to tom and am

it would be better probably

[latent moss]

maybe as colo

[blissful tree]

how do u guys narrow down your top gear sims? enchants, gems, embellishments? i'm getting over my 16 mill iterations really quick.

[dim basalt]

I sim with 16 mil

But you can do gear first and then gems & enchants

[broken arrow]

For arms you can safely skip gems at least or do em later. They make like 0.1% difference every time for me

[hollow plover]

gear first gems after

or just run 16mil

[strange perch]

@slate wave I ENJOYED MY STAY FeelsStrongMan Clap I ENJOYED MY STAY FeelsStrongMan Clap I ENJOYED MY STAY FeelsStrongMan Clap I ENJOYED MY STAY FeelsStrongMan Clap I ENJOYED MY STAY FeelsStrongMan Clap I ENJOYED MY STAY FeelsStrongMan Clap

[slow saddle]

i hope its dog, well it can add sustained aoe i guess

[shadow ibex]

Tom is under tuned

We don't spend enough or the % per spent is too low

[bronze isle]

How does one increase the amount of Rage generated by auto attacks?

[thick kelp]

More crit

[bronze isle]

many thanks

[tacit crystal]

WRONG GIO BUD

[last inlet]

too many Gio's

[strange perch]

I ENJOYED MY STAY FeelsStrongMan Clap I ENJOYED MY STAY FeelsStrongMan Clap I ENJOYED MY STAY FeelsStrongMan Clap I ENJOYED MY STAY FeelsStrongMan Clap I ENJOYED MY STAY FeelsStrongMan Clap I ENJOYED MY STAY FeelsStrongMan Clap

[fossil thistle]

Outta the loop but to reiterate on yesterday, did we find the crit?

[random ibex]

what belt proc is gonna be bis after the nerf on tuesday?

[dim basalt]

Depends what stat sims better for you

[rare kite]

#updates-midnight

[random ibex]

heard

ty

[slow saddle]

Always chain

[rare blade]

I just got M BiS and HoC, I am assuming HoC goes with Avatar CD and then you just use the Bis on use on your next CS? Or just send whenever?

[tacit crystal]

yes

[rare blade]

ty

[neat cedar]

Try to restore my elvui settings in ptr

[last saddle]

BiS use depends on fight I think.

[hollow plover]

hi @tacit crystal five seven

[boreal hawk]

my lens sim higher than my hoc, just got it yday while farming for the belt LOL

[hollow zephyr]

Are there any arms changes coming in season 3..?

[rare kite]

hamstring gcd got halved

[grim oasis]

fbv value doubled

[sharp wyvern]

there is still hope for the 0.5 patch

[teal fossil]

also day 1 of patch notes

[dim basalt]

Isnt that prot only?

[sharp wyvern]

surely they drop some massive notes for dps warr during ptr

[dim basalt]

Honestly, chances are there

[grim oasis]

yup im dumb

[sour forge]

Could be worse. Could be fury

[rocky rose]

been saying this since 11.0.5 lol.

[gaunt owl]

imagine having hope

[minor gust]

if jugg can be removed from prot it can be removed from arms

there is hope

next round of ptr notes

[loud fjord]

🙏

[west umbra]

Is the S3 tierset a better dps increase than the S2 tierset at equal ilvl?

[minor gust]

ask again closer to release

[flat willow]

been saying that since

when was the bfa pre patch

8.0?

[rocky rose]

(2) Set Bonus: Demolish damage increased by 20% and critical strike damage of your abilities is increased by up to 20% on targets affected by your Demolish for 10 seconds based on the number of stacks of Colossal Might consumed.
(4) Set Bonus: Demolish increases the critical strike chance of your next 2 Mortal Strikes by 100%. Mortal Strike critical strikes increase your Rend and Deep Wounds damage by 100% for 8 seconds.*
they just recycled skullsplitter and gave an an extra CS after r CS

[rare kite]

XD?

[sour forge]

But that didn’t answer his question

[rare kite]

Not only did it not answer his question, the last statement is just wrong. an extra CS would have been amazing

[minor gust]

if only we got cs after demo hits something

[fresh spire]

bozo i found some for tier

let ravager consume a ms stack then sweep = 3 crits

[minor gust]

only would be able to do this when ravager is up but thats a neet lil min max to save your 2nd ms crit

[fresh spire]

on big aoe pulls in keys its super doable consistantly

[minor gust]

yeah because your not frequently hitting ms

mostly cleave

[fresh spire]

Cleave>Avatar-Sweep>ms(2-4 extra stacks for tier+amp)>Wb>Ravager>demolish>unhinged tick>cleave>ms(2nd consumed)>cleave

[minor gust]

so your Rav has time to get the ms off

[fresh spire]

get 10 stacks after demolish in 2 seconds

excuse the quality but

shit insta stacks after demolish feelsgudman

[minor gust]

yeah thats nice for the bleed node

in the colossus tree

[fresh spire]

best fix is make ravager sweep again so it consumes both (fair if you ask me )

[minor gust]

it really should but is what it is at this point.

[teal fossil]

is this for 11.2

[sour forge]

Is it just me or does the bleed aspect seems like it should have been slayer

[fresh spire]

yeh

colossus is about bleeds

[sharp wyvern]

so when do i use skullsplitter

[fresh spire]

(though its still pretty eh since bleeds are pretty bad)

[sour forge]

Why would a colossus need to bleed you to death

[fresh spire]

dunno, has a talent that increases bleeds

🤷‍♂️

[minor gust]

still uncapped dmg so ill take it for aoe

[fresh spire]

bleeds seem pretty alright on aoe

ofc they have to run the course though

[sharp wyvern]

arent the collosus stacks also a bleed dmg increase

[fresh spire]

yep

[shadow ibex]

You lose 25 on cleave

[teal fossil]

are we finally dropping one against many

[sharp wyvern]

collosus is inherintly about bleed

[teal fossil]

inherently is a strong word

its 1 talent on the side

[shadow ibex]

We've has it all expac

Just never used it

[teal fossil]

ya

just undertuned as hell

only good on like ST and mass aoe

[sour forge]

It just doesn’t make sense to me

Why would some giant ass dude get bleed damage

[fresh spire]

arterial is just a node they put in for a reason to not buff mortalstrike more

[shadow ibex]

Doubling rend dmg making it good sounds about right

[fresh spire]

[sharp wyvern]

make deep wounds dmg scale with mastery again so bleeds are good

[teal fossil]

honestly i agree with this

they probably dont want another MS mod in colossus

[shadow ibex]

That's exactly why

[fresh spire]

wouldnt be supprised if they tune rend a little in coming builds to try make it a bit stronger

[shadow ibex]

It's right under a ms node

[teal fossil]

so they just came up with some bs

[sharp wyvern]

should have buffed slam instead

[teal fossil]

i can see a world where bleed just gets double scaling from mastery

would be cool

[wooden lava]

@smoky kayak is there any info on what this weap does?

[fresh spire]

can see a world the 2p 2 mortal strikes replaces the bleed node in next expansion

[fresh spire]

aoe loots

not even capping

[minor gust]

Huge

[charred brook]

think it empowers the maw's singularity, collecting loot from corpses within 40 yds and crushing them into void dust.

just a wild guess

[shadow ibex]

Lmao

The maw? Shadowlands?

[fresh spire]

dont send me back to the maw

[shadow ibex]

Is that what it does

[sharp wyvern]

it doesnt do any dmg if thats what your asking

[shadow ibex]

Oh no

[fresh spire]

its just aoe loot button, weapon is rare as all stat is in just crit

[sharp wyvern]

yep

but it looks cool

[fresh spire]

its "unique" but not for the overpowered stupid procs

[minor gust]

you struggling to line up cs and demo on ptr in ST at all or you chillin?

[shadow ibex]

Unique tag for fury only is crazy lol

[sharp wyvern]

gold farmers are finally gonna do lfr for dinars

[fresh spire]

first demolish cd is like 25 seconds, second was a little more like 30, ones after slow down until cds

mostly need rav/wb/dem to line up

[minor gust]

yeah its always close for me

[teal fossil]

i dont see the unique tag

im assuming im just blind

[minor gust]

im hoping lil more gear will make it perfect

[shadow ibex]

[fresh spire]

i need to try some keys to mess with stuff, mostly just trying to sus out ins and outs of tier rn so i can try info dump for when Arma works on implentation he has all i can provide to assist

[minor gust]

key testing is next week I believe

so soon

[fresh spire]

slayer set is the more unusual one, should have just made 4p be 20% flat instead of stacking

could have been good for keys but pretty weak if you don't have BS going into a pack

can see a world longsweep creeps a little next patch since Cm/reap values enjoying high sweep uptimes

if it will beat colat crits though is another question

[wooden lava]

how funny would that be

@sage badge how is Arms

[sage badge]

Arms owns.

[wooden lava]

[sharp wyvern]

[wooden lava]

some of the trinkets on PTR got me feeling real good

[minor gust]

you know I was think for the 4pc slayer set I wish they just doubled MS chance to proc reap instead of giving OP the chance I rather have a Cleave > MS > OP prio just to help spend rage more to always get BS back for 2nd BS

[fresh spire]

tbf

i think you still cleave>ms>op, more that your extra filler has more interactions for aoe. it still feels cluttered with execute also needing to be pressed for CDR

should have just made execute reap

or SD procs at least

[minor gust]

If only

[fresh spire]

No u

running blademaster and cleave>op-dn spamming feels clean, only pressing execute when 3 stacks of mfe and ms when 2 ep (likely wont happen in trash)

[smoky kayak]

AoE loots lol

Doesn’t seem like it has a combat effect, though it is short a secondary stat - might be oversight or incomplete

[minor gust]

this but with spear

👀

[fresh spire]

tbh not sure, didnt check roars damage, but damn roar is down bad in slayer

hitting dummy for 4 mins and its like 3% damage

[minor gust]

doesnt feel that impactful on colossus as well

why im thinkin could be fun leaning in on all the crit dmg with spear

[fresh spire]

spear could work just hitting the timing will be weird

awkward to fit it in if you are trying to max crit stacks too

[minor gust]

it feels really weird

[wooden lava]

Bro what, I thought it'd be like Jaithys

Does it really only just aoe loot

[smoky kayak]

Idk it might have some super secret function

[fresh spire]

just dont think it fits if you are trying to min max stacks

[rare kite]

it also adds a cosmetic effect on the bodies!

[wooden lava]

I thought it'd be like Best in Slots w a special dps effect

Cos the amount of secondary stats on it is terrible

[minor gust]

TBH spear just feels great with regular colossus opener

big fuckin crit

[fresh spire]

18m demolish

[minor gust]

yeah I got a 17 mil demo crit with spear and a 12 without it xd

[fresh spire]

feel liek 1v5/bleeds are kinda close when no colat

[stable fiber]

wdym terrible

[rare kite]

it has 2793 crit at 723 ilvl. another weapon from the raid has 2646 secondary stats at 707 ilvl

do we think 707 weapon will only gain 147 stats in 16 ilvl? idk never really checked how much weapons gain

[shadow ibex]

could also just be ptr weird shit

[rare kite]

wait nvm in the journal for raid it has 2646 crit at 707. so it's the same as the other 2 weapons

[stable fiber]

its same

yeah

[rare kite]

was looking at my equipped weapon initially

[stable fiber]

870 + 1776 = 2646

[rare kite]

yupp

[stable fiber]

yo what is happening on the ptr btw in dornogal

sometimes i jump and i get like a earthquake effect under my character

(not heroic leap, im not fat either)

[rare kite]

maybe some trinket passive?

[heavy berry]

Heroic leap doing that little crater animation would be sick tho

[light dirge]

Charged bolts going from bis to dead last on sims is crazy work

Cool passive to stat stick permanently slotted

Love that blizzard

[final dove]

It’s ok

You just use critical chain now

[magic canopy]

aoe loot

[icy mulch]

Wtf, for not having any secondary that on use better actually be something worth a damn.

[final dove]

in execute for raid slayer - does it go - EXE > EXE > MS > EXE > EXE > MS? and OP as filler

[sour forge]

You need 3 global between ms

[sleek epoch]

Hey am I only ever using demolish at 10 stacks?

[balmy kindle]

Charged bolts be ninja pulling though 🤣

[final dove]

as in 3 exes

[sour forge]

If you have the rage for it sure. Otherwise use op

[final dove]

got it thanks

[ripe hill]

It isnt necessary to use demolish on sweeping strike?

[rare kite]

depends on opportunity procs. you always want 2 executes between each ms no matter what. but sometimes there can be alot of globals between each ms. for example here is what happens if opportunist procs on ms and every execute after: ms>op>exe>op>exe>op>ms

[grand idol]

Even if you have the rage, 150 in 4 globals is a lot, it would rage starve you next cycle.

[rare kite]

also iirc guides tell you to prio EP 2 no matter what. so just follow that, even tho apl tells you to prio opportunity over everything. i'm sure the difference is minimal

[slow saddle]

Dont u prio full ms over 3rd op?

And u wrote answer sry🤣

[strange perch]

@tacit crystal

[tacit crystal]

in execute yeah

[tacit crystal]

hi

[rare kite]

hahahh xD. i just 2 EP prio coz easier for my brain, tho might be losing a tiny bit of damage. but that's fine, i only play arms on mugzee or in m+ where i don't have EP

[slow saddle]

Same😆, tbh i tend to always play arms but this season...

Its hard to love arms on raid

[rare kite]

yeah, holding out hope for some changes on ptr soon

[slow saddle]

Just delete juggernaut at this point

And make rav work with slayer

[rare kite]

they should but atleast we got a bandaid fix for jugg with new tierset

[slow saddle]

How so?

[rare kite]

not a good fix at all, but it helps a little

[slow saddle]

Isnt it just more dmg with sd?

No reason to send early?

[rare kite]

nahh since we get more slayer strikes

which means more sds

[slow saddle]

So that means no 15 stacks intobexe

Is gonna feel like personal failute

Great

Failure

[rare kite]

every sudden death procs slayer strike. so every 3 sd you get an sd, makes jugg uptime more consistent

[slow saddle]

Hear me out slayer strike passively add 1 sec to jugg

[slow saddle]

Well sadly that means no rework

Coz as u said now we work🥲

Blizzard happy

[rare kite]

not necessarily true. means we get tuned around "always" having 15 jugg stacks, which is weird af

[slow saddle]

And we do much dmg -10% execute dmg

[slow saddle]

This

If 15 stacks is standart bettrr remove it

They did with prot

Also for the love of god make it 5 stacks max

[rare kite]

yup, depending how offensive it is balance wise i can see them removing jugg in 11.2.5 or in midnight. if jugg still exists next patch i hope it's so strong that they see how shit it is

[slow saddle]

Makes gap between col and slayer wider

I just want to play col in raid man

1 tier

[rare kite]

same same

[slow saddle]

I know col is basicly df arms

With leggo

But havin demo for add overlaps are fun

But not 10% less dmg than slayer fun🤣

• i love ravager

[rare kite]

df arms is way better than TWW arms. only bad part about df arms was ToM

[slow saddle]

Yup

Once u forgot tom wss there

Also

I understand they removed ip as a good thing to push for offense

But dk gets to use am for offense

[slow saddle]

I forgot easiest jugger fix would be to do what archie suggest 5 stacks, like 6 sec on it