#arms
shadow ibex
fading isle
ptr is up?
shadow ibex
yea should def check it out
halcyon valve
Those are chains, theyre meant to fall down, give it some time
broken arrow
Fully erect helmet chains 
quaint otter
Khornite vibes
minor gust
yea should def check it out
They fixed demolish canceling when mobs move out of range sort of
steep osprey
They fixed demolish canceling when mobs move out of range sort of
How
shadow ibex
what about if they cast surprise inspection
minor gust
if target is running or leaps away demo still goes off
candid pecan
is that RIGHT?
minor gust
but if they leap far enough they dont get hit by the 3rd hit but demo doesnt cancel
candid pecan
okay then
shadow ibex
took until the final patch of the expac
regal wharf
Thank god
shadow ibex
shadow ibex
yea thats the shitty part
last inlet
does the chains on this just stay straight up all the time?
shadow ibex
no they are chains
last inlet
so its like a pony tail of chains?
minor gust
Just tested it looks like the demo canceling when mobs move away was fixed
last inlet
kk
shadow ibex
they have physics
last inlet
they have physics
steep osprey
last inlet
yea
last inlet
/lean
last inlet
i actually like that...
ancient scroll
wish they would just make the last hit of demolish work like warbreaker
minor gust
they go wacky when u move around
ancient scroll
but what can you do
shadow ibex
i think they kinda float naturally as well
but might have been weird model
i didnt look too long
fresh spire
op reap is kinda funny
minor gust
but should fix the tank moving them situation
fresh spire
i dont think dps changes aren't in yet
minor gust
cleave reap op reap cleave reap op reap
how often is OP procing reap?
fresh spire
like likely in future builds if anything is to come
20% per hit it seems so 20%x2 hits with sweep. DN doesn't seem to infulance
minor gust
well world server is down for me again time to call it
fresh spire
damage will feel weird as bladestorm sets up overwhelm stacks
fresh spire
prot tree gives me hope
shadow ibex
yea
fresh spire
seeing that they gave it cleave execute
shadow ibex
me too
fresh spire
they be cooking some wild ideas
fresh spire
the 3 target execute is so out of no where too
shadow ibex
if they just baked unhinged into bladestorm/ravager 
minor gust
BS CDR will line up with CS/WB now
steep osprey
they be cooking some wild ideas
why didn't they put them in now though? seems like they might have not done anything for either dps specs to me
shadow ibex
It's gonna be a ton of cdr
minor gust
why didn't they put them in now though? seems like they might have not done anyt...
its just first round their prob not ready yet
fresh spire
why didn't they put them in now though? seems like they might have not done anyt...
we will get waves of changes
if anything is coming it will be sent in one go
was same in beta, warrior was left pretty bad for a long time then we had tons of changes in one week
steep osprey
if anything is coming it will be sent in one go
fair enough
fresh spire
likely if anything is coming they are finishing up what ever design choices they are doing then it will be pushed, but realistically i'm not expecting much outside of maybe some nurmerical changes
But i would love for them to prove me completely wrong
fresh spire
o7
frail ibex
why does every warrior set have the exact same shoulder spikes recently lol
river ridge
shadow ibex
i like how our cloak is a sheet of metal
echo marten
Spikes = noice
rapid bronze
Spikes reduce enemy visibility if you angle yourself to poke their eyes properly
Poorly understood DR strat
shadow ibex
i just wanna see the weapons now
the weapon the DK had looked dope
but cool weapon is most important thing
steep osprey
i like how our cloak is a sheet of metal
sheet of metal that moves like cloth
shadow ibex
testing in 10 days
balmy kindle
colo arms we back ? 👀
steep osprey
yes
minor gust
well see
rare kite
slayer tier reads as pretty strong to me as well. which is unfortunate
minor gust
imo shits gonna stay the same colossus M+ Slayer raid but like super early
anything can change
steep osprey
slayer tier reads as pretty strong to me as well. which is unfortunate
this is an insane sentence
rare kite
why?
steep osprey
well, it does make it more frequent
minor gust
theres still hope for jugg changes/removal
steep osprey
so that fixes something at least
balmy kindle
Seems too good man Colo arms, I am excited 
minor gust
imo they wouldnt give a 20% execute buff on tier set if jugg was gonna stay the same
plain latch
yo unlimited stacks but no fall off and really meager buff
shadow ibex
they just need to fix the cringe SD holding gameplay
besides waiting for mfe
im ok with that
but the jugg uptime shit no no
rare kite
I’m not going to doom
that's okay, i will doom for you
shadow ibex
i think exe always at x2 SD or X amount of MFE stacks is fine enough gameplay for hero spec i guess
just kill the jugg shit
minor gust
shits lookin good for Day 1 im lookin possitve but well see how rest of the ptr cycle goes
rare kite
they did remove jugg from prot. just a little bit for arms and we're bingchilling
shy tide
yeah. this is arms and we get a tier that makes jugg stronger
It's gonna make jug a lot more consistent reducing the amount of slayer strikes needed by 33% to keep the chain going
Since you're getting one for free
rare kite
yeah i know
shadow ibex
i still rather have like 5 max stacks
minor gust
We all do but we'll see what's left still cookin
Ptr just started
My guess next two weeks will be more focused on the specs getting reworks then we'll hopefully start seeing some DPS warrior changes
rare kite
yup yup, we had a shitty tierset for majority of last ptr then it got changed near the end
minor gust
The doom doesn't start till they start doing tuning passes
Because then we know it's gg
rare kite
trutru
olive nest
Surely
minor gust
Surely execute will matter this time
shadow ibex
minor gust
shadow ibex
reported
minor gust
the crazy part of the demo set imo is another Crit dmg multiplier
shadow ibex
yea
minor gust
gonna be some big fuckin MS crit
shadow ibex
the demo debuff is applied by first swing as well
so the final hit will have it
just need it to crit
well all hits apply it
minor gust
yeah the aoe power colossus is gonna have with this tier feels pretty nutty
shadow ibex
i still wish we had passive sweep
minor gust
idk how Slayer is gonna keep up idk if OP procing reap is enough
minor gust
my hope is that the extra slayers strikes will give enough CDR to BS to make it frequently line up with WB better
stark cape
Please tell me im not the only one confused at wtf is on our heads in the new tier list
plain latch
dreadlocks
granite coral
Cool i guess... they better give us that combat rez
would rather have lust than brez
stark cape
yeah thats what i meant im in a key
granite coral
stark cape
What would be really cool is uncapped aoe
granite coral
ok hear me out
what if we just had perma lust, upcapped AOE, and all the mobs stacked in one area and demolish had no CD
granite coral
still gets declined in keys
granite coral
yeah its true, we would be too powerful with that
stark cape
its the fact that our class color is poop color
granite coral
don't besmirch the BROWN
wooden lava
Yo this new tier appearance is some hot dookie
Look at what paladins, rogues and DKs got
Did the intern design ours?
Right when I thought it couldn't get worse than undermine appearance
plucky mortar
Then there's warlock who just stays winning with tier sets
plucky mortar
Im tired of warrior just being horns everytime
wooden lava
The warrior tier looks like a lazy reinterpretation of the Nerubar Palace DK tier
All the way down to the spiky shoulders and gloves
Lmaoooo
Ik the chains are supposed to swing around, but this is some low effort stuff man
severe haven
It's definitely better tho
wooden lava
Them chunky ass boots
And the legplates are flat out clipping the gloves because they're so insanely thick
grave mulch
How many radio stations can you get on that bad boy
plain latch
i mean is a dwarf tmog
grave mulch
it looks garbage
spiral coral
Yeah I’m usually not one to care about tier sets, never made an opinion before cause it’s whatever but this is fucking lazy
untold pewter
I don't hate the model but I don't like any of the colors
I read juggernaut removed and was happy before realizing it was just for Prot
late blaze
pretty new to arms here, but do i sweeping before demolish?
spiral coral
I'm dumb, is there a release date for s3?
I see a lot of stuff being talked about but I don't see any date unless I'm overlooking it
gusty eagle
ok guys , i havent read too much. But are we angry or happy?
spiral coral
I'm always happy
rare kite
pretty new to arms here, but do i sweeping before demolish?
yes
fossil thistle
Arms opener - House of cards or Best in Slots. Both mythic.
plain latch
hoc
plain latch
bis
minor gust
they good
nova marsh
what's it look like I haven't seen
plain latch
imagine current set but more dk
nova marsh
cuz Stormbringer enhance might end up fucked with DRE
Only thing I'm a tad iffy on is just....giving us EVEN MORE crit damage
For like....more variance
minor gust
For like....more variance
its fine because that crit dmg is only in a set duration and in that duration you have 2 guaranteed MS crits
nova marsh
....eh yeah that does kinda make it fine
and it even gives us yet more CDR on Demolish so that sounds nice for M+
Hell slayer even looks like it'll get a reduction in the RNG for jugg which is like....always good
minor gust
they increased demolish range by a few yards
so if mobs move its fine but if a mob leaps far away it wil still cancel or dodge the third hit
nova marsh
Shit is colo gonna actually slap next tier?
minor gust
🔮
plain latch
i mean we still capped no?
minor gust
anything can change and theres most likely more changes to come
nova marsh
If colossus ends up as the raid spec and a good portion of demolish's....bullshit gets fixed I'd totally play it
Depends on what arms changes we get too
minor gust
if prot jugg can get removed so can arms
minor gust
sounds like it prot got a lot of changes
nova marsh
God is blizz gonna get me to be arms again
and I get to be free from enhancer jail
is there hope for warrior in S3? 🔮
shadow ibex
sounds like it prot got a lot of changes
yea but no compensation for spel lblock being gone
they nerfed all their magic dmg DR or just outright removed it
nova marsh
yea but no compensation for spel lblock being gone
in a tier where we're gonna probally have a crapton of magic damage
Yep checks out sounds like blizzard
stable fiber
boomkins tier set lets them hit 70 million starsurges
stable fiber
that goes so hard
well they have to afk for 50 seconds for it to hit for 70 million
nova marsh
that's still disgusting
nova marsh
If we get a boss like vexie boomie gonna be competing for most damage ever done by a spell in wow's history
Druids making us look like peasents
minor gust
yea but no compensation for spel lblock being gone
I know basically nothing about prot
shadow ibex
I know basically nothing about prot
just the notes they lowered magic dmg reduction on the one talent
and jsut straight up no SB
shadow ibex
Well it's a defensive not a rotational button
flat willow
are we back?
to udk, yes
grave mulch
So I'm staying enhance got it
what was so bad about warrior this season?
nova marsh
what was so bad about warrior this season?
It was last season that made me reroll
Mostly them murdering slayer for keys and me not liking the jank of demo
rare kite
what was so bad about warrior this season?
jugg highrolling in raid
flat willow
we don't like juggernaut and we don't like demolish self root and cancelling its cast but still going on cd
those are the 2 big problems
grave mulch
Mostly them murdering slayer for keys and me not liking the jank of demo
wasnt slayer only like 4% behind demo for M+?
flat willow
a lot of smaller problems but those we can live with
nova marsh
those are the 2 big problems
This is what made me switch tbh
nova marsh
wasnt slayer only like 4% behind demo for M+?
It felt like more
Because of jugg
And the constant nerfs really didn't help
flat willow
yeah season 1 was pretty pog
fury overperforming in the raid so they get nerfed 5 times
and arms getting hit every time
the best part was people defending the nerfs every time in this discord
nova marsh
I also didn't really like tww changes
flat willow
" yeaah it's not so bad, fury is still doing alright in a raid custom made for it, nevermind people would spit on you if you tried to join their mythic+ group "
grave mulch
So like my thoughts on this is. i understand the dislike about it but they should made the free execute procs more often to substain the buff or make it into a 2 node talent point to take jugger or just simply put condemn there
nova marsh
So like my thoughts on this is. i understand the dislike about it but they shoul...
Or instead of trying to band aid the problem jugg has created
Remove it
nova marsh
I honestly also just dont think condemn could compete with jugg gambling
Base execute is already kinda pitiful and condemn would likely be weaker then that like it was in shadowlands
rare kite
I love jugger for execute tho this teir
what if execute just did decent damage without having to stack it up 15 times??? insane idea i know
grave mulch
this was on the arms wish and wants list
flat willow
what if execute just did decent damage without having to stack it up 15 times???...
now I had a crazy idea but
what if we gave juggernaut to fire mage
like removing 50% of pyroblast's power and it slowly stacking back up
and ofc losing all their stacks if there's a mechanic where they can't hit the boss
that way blizzard would realize juggernaut is a disgusting mechanic within a week, remove it from fire mage
and maybe for us if we are lucky
remote talon
no it has to be on an ability that's mostly RNG and/or garbage gameplay to even be able to use to keep it up
balmy kindle
Colo arms tier set seems too good to be true though
Crazy if it just goes through like that, ms gonna hit like a nuke
grave mulch
or be nuked
flat willow
season 3 tier sets are usually broken aren't they
well it will be nerfed, but maybe it will still be good after the nerf
grave mulch
who knows. i just hope slayer will be just as good
balmy kindle
Can be wrong but slayer one feels kinda meh
rare kite
slayer 2p is pretty insane
stable fiber
Can be wrong but slayer one feels kinda meh
slayer one is literally the best amongst the warrior ones
the 2 piece is actually crazy
balmy kindle
Maybe because it's the word salad that made it look kinda meh
Then I relooked at the 2 P and realized what you are on about 
inner wasp
Then I relooked at the 2 P and realized what you are on about <:keks:93623161085...
i still dont get it
educate me pls
balmy kindle
Execute and SD procs basically become nukes and have a chance to proc slayer strike based on overwhelmed stacks
inner wasp
is 20% more dmg a nuke?
balmy kindle
I mean considering execute is kinda good on slayer I will say yes
Also from what I can see, overwhelm stacks are not consumed so this can get pretty spicy 👀
rare kite
huh? overwhelm stacks has never been consumed
finite wasp
ngl i think the colussus set bonuses might be trash
they might sound good on paper but i think about it it might suck for m+
minor gust
20 increased demo dmg and massive uptime on 100% bleed amp and 20% crit dmg amp is gonna suck for M+?
sly haven
is arm warrior stronger than fury in single target?
final dove
is arm warrior stronger than fury in single target?
atm they are very close
limber prairie
bronze tangle
20 increased demo dmg and massive uptime on 100% bleed amp and 20% crit dmg amp ...
But need use MS in aoe lol
fading isle
No
minor gust
But need use MS in aoe lol
brother you already use MS in aoe
bronze tangle
brother you already use MS in aoe
CLEAVE>OP>MS
minor gust
I hope your not doing that on colossus
bronze tangle
It also depends on the size of the pull, but it would be best if the tier interacted with CLEAVE as well.
minor gust
you say that like cleave doesnt interact with the 20% crit dmg amp
bronze tangle
No, I'm talking about the buff to the next two MS, which apply the same to the cleave
minor gust
I get that but the tier set will already be really good for aoe
shadow ibex
its really just 20% demo and crit dmg on demo in aoe
20 demo is pretty big when its like 1000% AP
minor gust
bleeds arent doing that much dmg right now but a 100% amp with a high uptime adds up
balmy kindle
huh? overwhelm stacks has never been consumed
Mb I meant for that powerful of a effect I expect it to be consumed
compact geyser
I got my very first CE kill tonight guys. Thanks for all the help over the tier
warped prism
Nice
jade ember
shadow ibex
gz king
heavy heron
Mega!
shadow ibex
I understand why they want to make it so you can use it in small packs instead of holding and shit
But idk that's also part of why it's so powerful
finite wasp
20 increased demo dmg and massive uptime on 100% bleed amp and 20% crit dmg amp ...
oh i forgot about the crit amp my bad i take it back we'll see how it does in ptr.
dreamy spire
So i guess we are gonna use skullsplitter as demo? I mean if sounds cool to buff our bleeds with the tierset by 100%and also let them tick on Double speed xd
slow saddle
Fuck
Slayer set is prob strong
Fdk breath seems very very nice
But ye fdk worked, they get rework... juggernaut not changed... big sadness
fierce pebble
Interesting how the tier bonuses for colossus only talk about Mortal Strike. I assume that means there’s a chance it won’t affect Cleave.
minor gust
no it doesnt affect cleave
vast surge
Lads, after reading the 11.2 patch notes I'm really excited about the changes coming to arms warrior. So excited in fact, I think I'll be playing a Frost DK.
fierce pebble
the Slayer tier set for Fury fuels my hopium for beyblade mode being good in m+.
but yeah- everything else is looking a bit... underwhelming. at least feel-wise.
balmy kindle
oh man Fdks are not happy about breath turning into an evoker empower
Wait they gonna change bOs? Where did that happen
minor gust
first round of ptr notes is out man
minor gust
yeah looks like a more fun direction to take breath
nova marsh
Did warr even get a single change for arms?
balmy kindle
I myself I play bos too, shattering is dog
minor gust
specifically arms no
balmy kindle
Juggernaut is gone
balmy kindle
surely they are still WIP right
minor gust
considering how tww beta and 11.1 went yes theres a lot more still coming
balmy kindle
Fdk actually looks interesting, probably because they were very fucked in s2
nova marsh
Just like enhance was LMAO
Blizz took one look at the good classes of S1
And said "na
DK I can just never get into
The themeing just isn't there for me. Too edgy
balmy kindle
Every time I play DK I miss heroic leap 
vast surge
The themeing just isn't there for me. Too edgy
But you could always roleplay as a misunderstood DK, everyone expects you to be about death and miserable but you're actually the happiest person in undeath
subvert some expectations
nova marsh
I mean
One of my friends RPs a dracthyr whoose basically just ridiciously happy all the time
And tackle hugs evreyone into oblivion, killing them with love
vast surge
When I play my DK, I don't really think I'm edgy
nova marsh
The only themeing I think is cool is pet unholy
vast surge
I just channel the arthas chase sequence from halls of reflection
nova marsh
But two things: A.....kinda is mid. B. Hearing UDK is lowkey a one button hero just makes me loose interst
vast surge
2 big scythes is pretty sick IMO
nova marsh
UDK still dosen't run army does it?
vast surge
Army becomes abomination IIRC
nova marsh
ew
slow saddle
Juggernaut is gone
Prot is saved🫡
balmy kindle
It's the only reason I enjoy alt fdk
balmy kindle
Prot is saved🫡
surely arms and fury will right
Looking forward for blizzard to cook though
nova marsh
Blizzard burns the food harder then noami in legion
vast surge
I want to see a rework to Demolish, being fucking rooted in a channelled ability is the worst. Why we didn't get the evoker empowered cast thing IDK
I want to see prestacking collat go away
I want to not have to hold collats for buff windows
I want to avatar work with anger management
dim basalt
No fucking remove AM
nova marsh
sounds more like you just lowkey want a different class
vast surge
sounds more like you just lowkey want a different class
Not really, buff windows are fine, but they should line up with the way your kits works
balmy kindle
I think halcyon makes so good points , pre stacking collateral feels dog
vast surge
We already saw what a good change making overpower damage amps lower and buffing the main ability directly has been
balmy kindle
The Am not working with avatar as well is pretty annoying ngl
Personally idm demo ATM but if they changed it to a charged cone that will be good also
nova marsh
Not really, buff windows are fine, but they should line up with the way your kit...
So do you just want things to align?
not asking to be rude btw
Because I agree. They aligned FINE in df
TWW completely broke them
dim basalt
AM has no right to exist at all
nova marsh
At this point if we loose AM arms needs a face lift
vast surge
not asking to be rude btw
No stress bud, we're discussing and yeah it would be better if our CDs lined up better so we could do our big hits and have a our talents and kit be more synergistic
nova marsh
I totally agree there
slow saddle
Am is fine
nova marsh
Like I said, the alignment was fine in DF and I think shit like slayer espically is the main offender
slow saddle
Problem is when blizzard adds other shit with their own cdr!
balmy kindle
Impacts kinda low no ? Like you just select AM because the alternative is bad
nova marsh
I think AM's role in problems is sevrely overblown
vast surge
I don't mind AM at all, like the idea I spend rage and get my CDs back faster, makes haste such a great stat for us
nova marsh
espically in tww after rage was brought down
Like in DF? Yeah, AM and ToM kinda worked as a tag team
vast surge
The other issue is unless you have heavily invest in the execute talents execute is kind of ass
balmy kindle
Who could forget SoS tom
vast surge
Lowkey, I liked hitting WW to dump rage for ToM
I know it had its issues but I liked it in concept
balmy kindle
Pretty degen tho trying to snipe ToM
vast surge
Oh sure, pressing IP for ToM too
balmy kindle
Good memories of spamming IP and WW to get a fat boost of Str
nova marsh
I think the other problem is warr in general is really overloaded with cds
A good amount of classes I've seen have more cds then actual rota buttons sure (they probably shouldn't( but I kinda feel like arms is among the worst offenders there
dim basalt
I don't mind AM at all, like the idea I spend rage and get my CDs back faster, m...
That's the reason why our CDs are so bad though
nova marsh
That's the reason why our CDs are so bad though
Is it thou
dim basalt
I mean look at Ravager / BS
nova marsh
Is it really the only reason
nova marsh
And you think that's because of am and not unhinged?
vast surge
I mean our opener has doing busy work for 6-7 GCDs before we're actually doing damage, that's not AMs fault
nova marsh
Short cds dont have to be weak
dim basalt
If you have your CDs up more often they need to be weaker
nova marsh
Ffs look at shaman with a one button destroy your pc on a 30 second ce
dim basalt
I mean our opener has doing busy work for 6-7 GCDs before we're actually doing d...
That's not a lot and afterwards we still don't do damage, our burst doesn't exist
At least it doesn't as Slayer
vast surge
before unhinged, huricane was why BS couldn't be strong
nova marsh
I mean i do agree that the follow through for bs/ravaged are bad design
But saying shorter bursts have to be weaker is no longer true in the modern game
Ffs isn't ret almost a purely 30 second cycle class?
And they have stupid burst
dim basalt
If they're not weaker than the rest of the entire kit is
There needs to be a tradeoff always
nova marsh
If they're not weaker than the rest of the entire kit is
Now that's kinda true
Expect with shaman but I'm gonna go shove pstorm in a can for a moment as an outlier
Either way I think the bigger issue is still warr has too many cds
balmy kindle
Ffs look at shaman with a one button destroy your pc on a 30 second ce
But you explode though if you OT for 0.5s, that's the tradeoff
dim basalt
Bet that Stormbringer set won't get nerfed for Enh?
nova marsh
Bet that Stormbringer set won't get nerfed for Enh? <:keks:936231610850897992>
Na neither set for shaman is going live lmao
And if it does I'm rerollibg to warrior
Fuck dre
dim basalt
Why wouldn't it
nova marsh
Overturned and buggy on both
nova marsh
Yeah also that sb set is ridicious
People saying were guestimating it to be near 40% uptime which shouldnt even be legal with asct
dim basalt
Only weird part is that Ele gets the weaker version when it has less Tempest available anyway
And going from 3 to 6 is bonkers
slow saddle
If all sets are bonkers
nova marsh
Also people already figured out its possible for 3 pstorm doomwinds with it if you use the recall opener....which is hilarious and if those proc imbunements its gonna be comedically funny
slow saddle
Are any set truly bonkers
inland drift
worthy mortar
is wrecking throw worth taking on gallywix myth?
minor gust
is wrecking throw worth taking on gallywix myth?
Yes
balmy kindle
I still pray col > slayer in raid
Not sure yet but Colo set looks Kinda rad
slow saddle
Yup
Idm playing sks
Thing is if its battlelord sks
Is better st its abit sad. Rav + execute time isnforever life
Though.. if no buggernaut i might smile as well🤣
balmy kindle
If prots changes are anything to go by, 🙏 For arms and fury talent changes
balmy kindle
Why though, it's really bad to play with
balmy kindle
I rather just blord ms for more demos
slow saddle
🤣
Might be the play ngl
More bleed dmg
I wonder if we are playing haste mastery next patch
Nah crit still gonna matter for cdr hmeg
thick kelp
Crits gonna go crazy to certain point
as every mortal strike crit will amp your bleeds
minor gust
Another crit dmg mod so crits gonna go nutso
thick kelp
not just the demolish empowered ones
minor gust
yeah when I saw how it worked on ptr shit looks so good
balmy kindle
Makes alot of sense, you bleed harder when you get got by crits
thick kelp
now imagine sks and tom...
slow saddle
Col in raid would be enough
minor gust
no tom
thick kelp
pepelaf
balmy kindle
Unless they massively buff tom I doubt it's usable
slow saddle
No rage😅
minor gust
if you dont look at it and sim with it Walhe does tom exist?
worthy mortar
loool i got knocked back in warsong gulch bg from the top of horde flag out of the map, cant log back into the game xD
latent moss
Battle Shout no longer has a cooldown, but is still on the GCD, for all specs.
Battle Shout no longer has a cooldown, but is still on the GCD, for all specs.
Battle Shout no longer has a cooldown, but is still on the GCD, for all specs.
Battle Shout no longer has a cooldown, but is still on the GCD, for all specs.
Battle Shout no longer has a cooldown, but is still on the GCD, for all specs.
BEST
CHANGE
I MISS BSHOUT ADHD SPAM OUT OF COMBAT
vast surge
Are you even a real warrior main if you don't battle shout after every pack of mobs? Or every boss?
slow saddle
True
slow saddle
Shield phase?
minor gust
the only purpose of wrecking throw is to hit a thing with a shield
vast surge
The phase with the shield duh
minor gust
if thing doesnt have shield never hit da button
balmy kindle
Are you even a real warrior main if you don't battle shout after every pack of m...
I do actually, meanwhile shams that dont cast skyfury 
vast surge
I do actually, meanwhile shams that dont cast skyfury <:Pepexecute:5956065252723...
fookin shamans man... they're pretty much the worst at casting group buffs
possibly cause they've only had the ability for a season but still what a bunch of slackers
balmy kindle
Yeah man it grinds my gears, like bruh it's free damage pls
Best part this is like 14-15s so I kinda assume Mr shaman knows
vast surge
Best part this is like 14-15s so I kinda assume Mr shaman knows <:clueless:10999...
smh
sudden fox
Does anyone know how to get MRT reminders to have TTS
wintry scroll
Battle Shout no longer has a cooldown, but is still on the GCD, for all specs.
Let's go now im gonna get invited into high keys
tacit crystal
Does anyone know how to get MRT reminders to have TTS
kaze mrt
boreal quartz
I MISS BSHOUT ADHD SPAM OUT OF COMBAT
It has 2 min CD in cata its so disgusting
daring heron
Huge W for me tbh
I always shout after combat ends out of habit
but if we ress anyone after combat, my shout is still on cd
tacit crystal
gm critcake
daring heron
gm
tacit crystal
Tried that, calls everything else but the reminders lol
the reminders have to be in your name or whatever the format is
you could use the timeline reminders addon fron liquid
latent moss
but if we ress anyone after combat, my shout is still on cd
it was the most annoying thing
since df
cant lie
dim basalt
Inb4 they revert that change with Midnight
sudden fox
the reminders have to be in your name or whatever the format is
Yeah its all copied from lorrgs, it should be accurate so idk
zenith warren
how i am supposed to use nitro boosts with a new belt
icy mulch
I MISS BSHOUT ADHD SPAM OUT OF COMBAT
I still, out of habit, use it instantly right after a combat is over.
hollow plover
same
hexed snow
Same
gusty pine
I don’t understand shaman that don’t rebuff. The whoosh sound theirs makes is so damn satisfying.
hollow plover
^
hollow plover
now we just need 90sec cds resetting along with the 2min cds resetting
and then we are golden
fresh spire
I always shout after combat ends out of habit
True warrior tech
Between every trash pack
gusty pine
If only they'd taken if off of the GCD so we could macro it into all of our abilities
hollow plover
i dont think so
inland drift
same
gusty pine
Are you ready for people to not have their pot available because they’ve got their dps pots macro’d?
I sure as hell can’t wait 
gusty pine
Why they don’t put invis / meld pots on their own utility potion CD I don’t know.
Could move some others to that CD too, perhaps even add a stoneform potion …
grim hull
and the meld pot might be on diff cd
blizzard never seems to amaze me with stupid decisions
gusty pine
and the meld pot might be on diff cd
It’s on the combat potion CD, so we could easily have the same problem in pugs that we did when invis skips were more common.
At least it gives people the option to not be nelves though … until somebody finds a good back to back meld skip.
fossil mantle
Why they don’t put invis / meld pots on their own utility potion CD I don’t know...
Or just remove racials in M+, Raids and Pvp. Dunno why blizz always feel like they have to reinvent the wheel when it never works out and they just cave in a few patches later
gusty pine
Or just remove racials in M+, Raids and Pvp. Dunno why blizz always feel like th...
That’d be ideal. Remove all combat racials entirely, including the passives. Add more things like dark iron mole machine, goblin bank, nightborne mailbox and Vulpera camps.
But short of that improvements to the potion alternatives would at least be something.
dim basalt
But muh void rift
fossil mantle
Also who the fuck thought "Hmm, lets give an AOE execute to the warrior spec that uses it the least". Warrior design since in the last few years has really made me questions if Blizzard really have an understanding of the class should be
fossil mantle
And how is an AOE execute that relevant for a prot warrior in raid? Obviously it would be more relevant as a change to m+
dim basalt
Because it hits way harder than execute of dps specs
fossil mantle
Its a last resort rage spender, you have situations where it might be used but not a part of the core rotation at all compared to Arms and Fury. Arms more so.
So they should have gotten it first
dim basalt
Theyll eventually use it more because Revenge will be slightly weaker
fossil mantle
If colossus is the meta for prot still, then I doubt it. Execute no longer interacts with Colossal Might so even less reason to prioritise it. Ignore pain also falls off very quickly in high keys so if you are taking a lot of dmg, thats where you rage will go.
dim basalt
IP does not have a super high prio tho
Especially in situations where you would use execute
Such as boss fights or low target cleave
Which is what the talent supports
fossil mantle
I guess low target cleave is a good point, cant disagree with that
dim basalt
Still stupid they removed exe from CM tho
But honestly I think theyre preparing something bigger for Arms/Fury with next expac
fossil mantle
but even then, dps specs not getting it is an absolute joke. Prot is also the last warr spec that needs a rework, it has a lot of issues when it comes to grouping and displacement but Arms and Fury for M+ are thrash cans that are on fire
fossil mantle
But honestly I think theyre preparing something bigger for Arms/Fury with next e...
I hope so, it would bring a tear to my eye
fossil mantle
Oh yea, agree. In terms of identity and what the spec actually brings, they really need to do something about those things
unless Arms dmg is nuts or there are a lot of execute fights, then you dont really need it
dim basalt
Weirdest part is that theyre doubling down on the jugg rng
By giving us more SD procs
dim basalt
Im kinda hoping they change the 4p so it doesnt cast a reap but another Slayer Strikes tbh
Just give us 100% uptime
fossil mantle
No, I dont want that
balmy kindle
hmm on slayer its pretty easy to get stacks though
fossil mantle
Slayer in M+ has super subpar AoE so having more reaps is exactly what it needs
fossil mantle
Yea, I mean they could make it so that demolish deals more damage if it hits only 1 target or smth like that
dim basalt
Excited to see first sims, maybe col is actually closer or even better than we think
If they make it so SS doesnt consume both guaranteed MS crits we will swim in demo casts in M+
balmy kindle
at the very least our tier sets look pretty rad , even for fury
now its just pray blizz cooks for arms / fury tree 🙏
dim basalt
Raging Blow becoming even stronger than it already is
plain latch
remove EP let us go apemode
shadow ibex
In that interview on raid design they said people getting to gally now are enjoying it and it's not too easy
shadow ibex
How do people who are killing it now feel about that? I thought jt was way too easy imo
dim basalt
Gally is too easy for sure
Theres like only one tricky part in P1
Which I guess holds a lot of guilds back
shadow ibex
The second phase is just a snooze
shy tide
i dont think ive gotten more whiplashed by a boss
than by gally
endboss dying in basically one raid night is something
hollow plover
i think p2 gally is fine if there was a proper dmg race
gally legit needed like 20% more hp or smth
shy tide
no
gally needs more mechanics or some shit
that boss already has a fuckton of hp
boss just falls asleep after P1
first kills were all around 9:30 and thats with just non stop wailling on the boss
hollow plover
the other argument is to make p2 p3 faster
shy tide
and even on farm its stil la 7:30 fight
shy tide
i mean the boss is genuinly a boring slogfest after p1
hollow plover
etc
hollow plover
I mean theres some positioning stuff that tanks have to do
if u missposition gally then u dont get enough charge from the frontal at times
but then again once u have it down
its boring
shadow ibex
Idk if it or sark is worse
fresh spire
If gallywix was a bit harder p2 onwards
Likely would have been an altime best boss
P1 owned
shadow ibex
28 years later comes out today
fresh spire
Still feels like p2 onwards missed a mechanic
hollow plover
i also like p2 is nice if it lasts for like 1min as a sort-of downtime thing where u can just ST the boss
but that shit lasts 20 years
fresh spire
Sub 10 min bosses with strong phases>15 min 3 intermission hitting dogshit adds
hollow plover
tru
fresh spire
Raz and fyrak I'm looking at u
😠
I wanna smack the boss. He's the big evil of the patch
Ain't no way bros running away for many intermission like a baby
hexed snow
fresh spire
icy mulch
I have a feeling fighting this big bad is gonna be similar to Cataclysm's Dragonsoul final fight.
fresh spire
From reading the journal and the new articles. It sounds spicy.
Not just tank and spank
shy tide
only part that i disliked about fyrak was the stupid WA intermission
soaking the dumb orbs
and then one goes in and its joever
olive nest
Gally is an ideal difficulty in my opinion
Bosses shouldn’t require 300 pulls to be “good”
shy tide
something that falls over in 3-4 hours
fresh spire
Fyrak p1 intermission was giga shit
shy tide
stay away from raid design
fresh spire
If that never happened utterly would have been insane good biss
I love when 3 people are dead and weakaura implodes and people have to use brain
slow saddle
P1
fresh spire
Ain't happening
slow saddle
Was good on fyrakk
fresh spire
Nah the orbs on mythic was not fun
slow saddle
Wa intermission was shit
fresh spire
The jailer and stack soak adds was way better than orbies
slow saddle
They were fine u just had to move as group. A fine mechanic to teach cohesion
fresh spire
Fuck orb intermission
Spent more time wiping there to wa issues than progressing p2/3
olive nest
The only reason gally can be defeated so quickly is because the best teams in the world figure out the strategy and then the rest of us just copy that
The boss is plenty challenging
slow saddle
Didnt try ansurek
shy tide
The only reason gally can be defeated so quickly is because the best teams in th...
figure out what
that boss doesnt have mechanics
slow saddle
But i enjoyed fyrakk and tindral immensely
olive nest
Oh right, it doesn’t have any mechanics
shy tide
im genuinly baffeled with taht statement
olive nest
You just auto attack and win
shy tide
what do you have to figure out on that boss
that boss is extremely intuitive with how the mechanics happen
fresh spire
I'd agree if my guild killed it in 140 pulls not 70
End boss dying in less pulls than mygzee kinds embarrassing
olive nest
Plenty of coordination required to defeat gallywix
fresh spire
As much as I like gallywix
olive nest
Yes it does
quaint cosmos
The problem is P2 and P3 whilst very fun is a whole lot of nothing
fresh spire
Me standing in the far corner of my wing doing nothing other than moving for suppression
olive nest
So you’d be in favor of un nerfed ansurek web blades
fresh spire
olive nest
For every boss
shy tide
put in the minimum required amount of people to soak frontal in last phase
shy tide
web blades got gutted
fresh spire
Before you kited as a group. After nerf you winged it
olive nest
Yeah well it wasn’t a mechanic after it got nerfed right
shy tide
P1 ansurek got murdered quite hard
olive nest
Too easy
quaint cosmos
I swear man web blades are like 80% of the ansurek deaths
shy tide
can you tell me a mechanic in gallywix where it was not intuitive what you had to do
only thing i can think of is the funny tank bomb
but thats it
shy tide
you said it was only easy
because the rwf guilds figured everything out
like it was some fcking hard to set up fight
that boss is a joke
and a disapointment
P1 was good and then you fall asleep
olive nest
It absolutely would be challenging for your average guild to problem solve the fight on there own
slow saddle
That goes for all bossrs
shy tide
no shit people fall over their own feet when you go down a couple ranks
but that boss took like legit a day of prog to kill
olive nest
Exactly so why does the boss have to be so absurdly difficult that 50-100 people in the world can kill it
And the rest of us get fucked??
quasi torrent
can you tell me a mechanic in gallywix where it was not intuitive what you had t...
The optimal way to play the beams in intermission
Standing inside them during activation / end
shy tide
or you just stand in the blue shit
thick kelp
walking?
shy tide
with enraged regen
fresh spire
quasi torrent
just idk stand Correctly
shy tide
our tanks did funny shit
fresh spire
Get our of here with ur void elf fuckery sir
quasi torrent
see, you guys did the obvious thing of dodging it
fresh spire
Blew up wrong platform. Smhmh
shy tide
people watch the rattynoss video and got baited in thinking there was a safespot
but our tanks placed it different
was fun to watch the first time
hybrid canopy
shy tide
-1 gcd nooooooo
quasi torrent
gallywix isn't bad
hybrid canopy
I enjoyed gally despite it being piss easy :caught:
quasi torrent
its also not good
shy tide
gallywix P1 is peak
quasi torrent
It just is
shy tide
gallywix P2-3 is absolute fcking ass
quasi torrent
is too easy
olive nest
It’s ideal for 99% of the player base
hybrid canopy
It's not great but it wasn't too bad for me
olive nest
shy tide
ideal for the playerbase is the 1 button rotation and then loot falls out of the sky
quasi torrent
I think the most dangerous mech in p2 being the blue electric floor
shy tide
while they sip a pina colada
quasi torrent
is laughably bad
hybrid canopy
I think the most dangerous mech in p2 being the blue electric floor
Shocking
quasi torrent
shockingly bad, sure
shy tide
i like how standing in 3-4 bombs doesnt kill you
hybrid canopy
Precisely
shy tide
but you walk over the shitty blue particles and you die instantly
shy tide
but tbf thats one i wouldnt mind because the 1 seed per person or go bomba
quasi torrent
but double soak still in
shy tide
was quite rough for a lot of people
olive nest
Only 100 people in the world should be able to kill the final bosses on mythic
slow saddle
Lel
quasi torrent
oh yeah it needed to be nerfed
slow saddle
5 guilds
shy tide
the 3 second seeds were unplayable in last phase
quasi torrent
who got idk 12th?
hybrid canopy
They just kinda forgot to have hard overlaps with the mechanics on gally, everything happens one at a time and it's weird
quasi torrent
the 3 second seeds were unplayable in last phase
just get lucky and immune smh
Beams be like
quasi torrent
They just kinda forgot to have hard overlaps with the mechanics on gally, everyt...
This part, in essence, i dont dislike
having every mechanic be trivial in itself and ONLY be hard it u spam 14 of them is boring af to me
but obv didn't hit the mark on gally
hybrid canopy
This part, in essence, i dont dislike
having every mechanic be trivial in itself...
Ya
quasi torrent
nyo :3
there is 2 overlaps
the ones people immuned
that's why people immuned them
shy tide
what does the first immune soak overlap with
quasi torrent
(u didn't have to play em then)
shy tide
i legit cant recal
shy tide
raaah i love bombs
quasi torrent
BOMBA
dim basalt
I was gonna mention that Silken Court was hard without a billion overlaps but uhhh
hybrid canopy
I feel like cause of gally/lou in general not being as hard as previous tiers they're gonna have this next raid make a tier like sepulcher look like baby mode
Is that an unfounded thought
dim basalt
LOU wasn't easy at all
slow saddle
Just gally no?
dim basalt
One of the harder raids so far actually
slow saddle
Stix was poorly placed
shy tide
stix is satan pre nerf
olive nest
Oh yeah next tier will be world 1000 guilds doing 500+ pulls on the last two bosses because the small but loud HoF crowd cry’s that bosses are too easy
shy tide
that boss had 10 trillion hp
olive nest
shy tide
its funny that stix took more pulls to kill than the last boss
then they shot sprocket in the back of the head
dim basalt
Stix was only 54 pulls for us