pressing OP
#arms
smoky kayak
dim basalt
We are already flooded with resets
smoky kayak
read the whole idea
Tactician procced CS resets
means you would no longer be flooded with OP resets
dim basalt
I assumed op resets != tactician proc because you used both in the same message
smoky kayak
if tactician is proccing CS, it's no longer proccing OP
in this hypothetical, CS would come from Tactician, OP would come from Rend
rare kite
I assumed op resets != tactician proc because you used both in the same message
nahh he means like cata overpower kinda. which honestly feels way better
steep osprey
That’s like cata op
smoky kayak
Wrath/Cata, yeah
dim basalt
mhm got it
steep osprey
Taste for blood
smoky kayak
anyway, it's just an idea, you could take it in a lot of different directions
rare kite
cata has alot of good things for arms, but still lacks some things. taking some things from cata arms would be nice
smoky kayak
another idea - if we had some kind of big mid-rotation rage dump, then you could maybe make Bloodsurge into a more prominent rage generator and SkS could become a burst rage button
steep osprey
Yo Archi I got a question, can I ask if the other warrior sets that are unreleased are good in terms of damage at first glance or is that something you can’t say? My bad if so
daring heron
yes please
smoky kayak
the general concept being that there are ways to make an increased frequency of Rend ticks do something more interactive than just damage
rare kite
yes please
hi crit. did you get copyrighted and found the song yet?
shadow ibex
another idea - if we had some kind of big mid-rotation rage dump, then you could...
like execute
smoky kayak
they played around with that idea during the WoD Alpha, and it's still one of my favored gameplay concepts
- basically you could use Execute at any time, but it cost like 60-80 rage or something
- sub 20% you got increased rage gen (or maybe it was a cost discount, I don't quite remember anymore) that allowed you to use Exe more frequently
But it didn't quite work in practice. While the idea was that you'd use your normal rotation and just Execute when you start to cap on rage, what actually happened is you just ignored every other button in order to press Execute more, which slowed the (already slow) rotation to a crawl
there's probably a way they could make it work with today's more involved rotations and de/buffs tied to various buttons though
slow saddle
Ms
steep osprey
What if Ms does more damage the less rage you have lol
teal fossil
idk if we have enough rage to ms bro
rare kite
tactician resetting cs which then resets ms=big dopamine
teal fossil
What if Ms does more damage the less rage you have lol
makes more sense for op than ms
imo
also sort of fixes the "overcap rage to press op" problem
steep osprey
Why bother pressing ms though
slow saddle
We get to lick her feet
dim basalt
yummy
inner wasp
like a full CS reset, the whole cooldown?
kinda sounds like you'd get huge rng swings of good and bad luck
idk how wow does proc averaging tho
smoky kayak
maybe, depends on what the proc chances and uptimes are
inner wasp
parse is shit unless you have 100% CS uptime in exe phase type beat
smoky kayak
like if it's tuned with the expecation of 100% uptime, or only 30% uptime
dim basalt
The more uptime it has the weaker it is
olive nest
I think I’d rather see 100% only because it would feel awful to not proc it when you need it
Makes the profile less desirable though since it would be more flat if it was 100%
inner wasp
I think I’d rather see 100% only because it would feel awful to not proc it when...
this is just fury enrage with a diff coat of paint
kinda silly at that point
slow saddle
Delete juggernaut
Cs uptime sub 35% 100%
There we go iftk execute lightning killer
inner wasp
press rampage colossus smash when enrage cs is about to drop off else you do no damage
i don't want that to be real
i play fury for that
rare kite
like a full CS reset, the whole cooldown?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32uNOEsXqC4&t=1s yeah like this
dim basalt
Varimathras 
languid burrow
I was hoping Arms would lean more towards bigger and bigger swings.
Like borrow the cast-charge mechanic from Evoker for Mortal Strike to be charged and swung even harder. Haste maybe impacts the charge time.
Apply same mechanic to cleave.
languid burrow
charge-cast swings would be an alternative to dealing with rando procs
latent moss
not sure how that would work for melee ngl
inner wasp
if they dont change the tier
what's the tier?
languid burrow
rather than fish for procs, you find moments in combat to fully commit to a massive attack (that isn't demo lol)
latent moss
what's the tier?
cro doesnt know
inner wasp
i want big swings
inner wasp
gimme the exact wording
languid burrow
huge numbers, this man is cooking
latent moss
check channel
dim basalt
huge numbers, this man is cooking
latent moss
Ok
slow saddle
Q is
candid pecan
is that 2p 4p? for arms?
languid burrow
no shot
latent moss
atm the main question is
slow saddle
Mastery haste???
dim basalt
2p and 4p for Col
shadow ibex
i wonder if sweeping MS will consume the 2 of them insta
slow saddle
Same as fury?
latent moss
the main question is, does sweeping consume both
if it doesnt
this set is ridiculous
rare kite
is that 2p 4p? for arms?
no. it's for colossus hero tree
languid burrow
no way blizz gives Arms that kinda firepower
dim basalt
Why tom
latent moss
alignments
rare kite
see tom sks
i doubt ToM. iftk gives alot of cdr
languid burrow
bro if that tier set is real, blizz will reduce the Warrior target cap from 5 to 2
latent moss
tom aligns much better thats the thing tho
idk hows the cooking going
fishy and walhe
are cooking
rare kite
holy fishy and walhe ALREADY cooking??? we know nothing about any changes
latent moss
thats why
yeah cause there might be interesting cooks just wanna get ahead of the curve type shi
- its hype cause the set is genuinley everything u would want for colossus
oak quartz
And also for this expansion they will update us next time: "New Class Updates
Ghosts of K’aresh will feature updates for multiples classes which focuses on new gameplay for several specializations including Shadow Priest, Brewmaster Monk, Frost Death Knight, Unholy Death Knight, and many more!"
inner wasp
yo brewmaster?
dim basalt
I doubt we get nothing
rare kite
jugg adjustment
this is the only thing i dare hope for. more than that is asking too much
latent moss
the idea for colo m+ arms next season is: ms spam demolishmaxxing
ms>cleave
the amount of stacks we generate is ridiculous
cm stacks
i can see a world where we drop 1 against many for arterial bleeds
with sks
2t annihilation
rare kite
2 guaranteed crits after demo. pretty decent amount of cdr
quaint otter
no way blizz gives Arms that kinda firepower
who cares if dk or dh will get more? 
latent moss
2 guaranteed crits after demo. pretty decent amount of cdr
if ss doenst consume both
thats max from 2 gcds
basically max its insane
rare kite
yeah
latent moss
i wonder about demo uptime
debuff
in aoe
man i wish ss was passive and only cleaved ms and exe
it would go so hard
ss downtime gonna fuck us
surely imp ss
inland drift
diff set bonuses? hell yeah
dim basalt
Surely S2 set bonuses were boring so they could cook harder with S3 bonuses
latent moss
idk they cooked very hard with the colo arms one i cant lie
dim basalt
if it works like we assume
marble depot
skullsplitter build next season 🤮
oak quartz
No please.
rare kite
skullsplitter build next season 🤮
skullsplitter jugg fatality build
dim basalt
skullsplitter jugg fatality build
stop
thorn wolf
Guys, give season three a chance or continue to not play because they hate us
inner wasp
blizz hates brown class
dim basalt
No need to doom we dont know any changes
rare kite
Guys, give season three a chance or continue to not play because they hate us
lmao man is pre dooming
thorn wolf
No I'm currently not playing, I'm debating on season 3 being worth worth coming back for or no
There's no Doom, them hating us is factual
dim basalt
Hard to tell as of now
Ask again when we have patch notes
Or ptr access
It wasnt mentioned when ptr opens anywhere right?
rare kite
no, but i assume sometime later this week
dim basalt
If anything next week
rare kite
next week at the latest
dim basalt
Unless they have opened ptr before weekend in the past
dim basalt
left arms right fury
thick hamlet
arigato amigo
regal wharf
wait a minute
hang on
didnt we get told that floodgate was the megadungeon
why are we back in tazavesh
rare kite
we did not
regal wharf
oh
rare kite
floodgate is just a dungeon
regal wharf
why the hell did I think it was?
dim basalt
Good question because floodgate has very few bosses
inner wasp
i see you arms channel
digital portal
if these are supposed to be the tier sets they look pretty trash imo
inner wasp
one day ur like "i hate this legendary weapon channeled ability"
i turn around
5 seconds later
"me and my bestie demolish"
steep osprey
if these are supposed to be the tier sets they look pretty trash imo
I like half of them, sounds like how it goes usually tbh
slow saddle
Worst part is when i c the dmg breakdown on mythic raid, and only druid is worse
Every other class can choose a spec that facks us
steep osprey
get owned
slow saddle
Demolish getting canceled will be an even bigger dps loss now
Tbh seldom in raid
ancient scroll
Me no raid
fading isle
if these are supposed to be the tier sets they look pretty trash imo
Probably that's like normal raid tier set tbh
we'll see other colors, I hate brown or red only tier set
please a good color choice for once this expansion
shadow ibex
i like the warrior set
fading isle
It's not bad, just the colors a bit bad
olive nest
Reminds me of shredder with purple color added
steep osprey
Yeah I like it but i don't like the color
rare kite
if these are supposed to be the tier sets they look pretty trash imo
i kinda like that mage one. looks goofy af
steep osprey
which is fine since there's like 4 colors
fading isle
yeah that orc one
broken arrow
You can tell it's for warrior cuz it's got spikes
steep osprey
i kinda like that mage one. looks goofy af
you look goofy
thoughts on the colossus set?
shadow ibex
the helmet is dope
rare kite
you look goofy
true
shadow ibex
or druid
shadow ibex
idk if those are dh horns or helmet horns
inner wasp
prob
shadow ibex
looks like the warrior helm has something on the back of the helmet
steep osprey
shaman?
inner wasp
looks like the warrior helm has something on the back of the helmet
it's a halo
steep osprey
bro they are not cooking for shamans
steep osprey
the warlock one looks great too
shadow ibex
gotta be the worst one tho
digital portal
i do like the warlock helm, the rest a bit eh
shadow ibex
straight up looks like questing gear
steep osprey
bro where is priest
shadow ibex
i think that could be priest
digital portal
that is priest i think lol
shadow ibex
or shaman
steep osprey
idk that looks more like monk lol
steep osprey
hunters on the female troll
digital portal
the paladin one looks like 2 different sets, the chest piece is like a whole diff colour lol
steep osprey
clearly
shadow ibex
oh yea thats def
digital portal
steep osprey
pala looks like the bfa pvp set in s1 lol
digital portal
druid i guess is that
shadow ibex
wat
steep osprey
none of this shit is clear lol
digital portal
somthing is off about the dk too , like the legs ect are too smooth
steep osprey
this is 100% rogue right
rare kite
druid i guess is that
monk no?
digital portal
maybe, monk druid hunter sham always get real similar stuff
shadow ibex
yea thats rogue for sure
digital portal
im not excited to get any of these sets tbh
steep osprey
im not excited to get any of these sets tbh
you have thousands of transmogs to go through
rare kite
monk always gets orbs
kinda looks like orbs no?
digital portal
and? blizz should kind of release good looking stuff to make ppl interested int he game
digital portal
yeh will see, none of these to mee screamm OooOo new set
warriors ineresting just not for me
slow saddle
Light effects arent shown yet
steep osprey
somthing is off about the dk too , like the legs ect are too smooth
oh shit that's cool
sharp wyvern
the warrior one looks sick wdym
slow saddle
Dk weapon 10 out pf 10
digital portal
maybe itll be saved on diff races and the other set colours
digital portal
i think they used void elf or somthing for warrior which makes the arms noodles
slow saddle
Awesome
fresh spire
should have just made it blow up 90% of the dot so it didnt fall off 
slow saddle
Give more gnoam warrior sets!
slow saddle
should have just made it blow up 90% of the dot so it didnt fall off <:yep:70342...
Y😄 fix is so easy make sur u ms after sks
fresh spire
slow saddle
that pally set is so bad
Fuck pala
steep osprey
def a choice?
chawie is not gonna like that
vast drum
who are good warriors to copy their UI from? Mines been a mess for seasons atp
rare kite
who are good warriors to copy their UI from? Mines been a mess for seasons atp
bizentein
empty sluice
should have just made it blow up 90% of the dot so it didnt fall off <:yep:70342...
Or just blow the bleed effect, and keep Dmg amp on Target
dim basalt
Banshers UI is cursed
dim basalt
We only know this one
shadow ibex
its got a lot going on i would assume others do too
dim basalt
I just cant really think of a fancy Slayer set because the entire tree doesnt do much
fresh spire
Or just blow the bleed effect, and keep Dmg amp on Target
real, idealically they could do this if they reworked mastery into tactition/CS again
the dream
steep osprey
<:wicked:937093876857045012>
4P: Juggernaut now always up with max stacks at all times
shadow ibex
like it interacts with colossal might stacks on demolish
set bonus might do something with MFE or ID stacks
fresh spire
the new 4p colossus will be insane
The biggest question is if a swept MS consumes 2 stacks
shadow ibex
give me 2 target sweeping
fresh spire
as if not you can get 10 stacks instantly after a demolish
dim basalt
Only part I dislike about col set is the additional crit damage modifier
steep osprey
The biggest question is if a swept MS consumes 2 stacks
no shot it does imo
dim basalt
As if we dont have enough yet
steep osprey
if it does, then it's a bug
fresh spire
2 100% crits swept = 10 stacks
shadow ibex
you can practically already do that
fresh spire
but having it as a garentee means every ms after is just CDR
OP is max damage right away
shadow ibex
i assumed the swept one would eat it
since its another MS hit
but they can just add icd of .75 on consume
empty sluice
the new 4p colossus will be insane
I just hope for good bs slayer 4p
smoky kayak
You should see it as soon as the ptr comes up
dim basalt
Sounds like you have info
olive nest
Really I would lean more on the side of it not consuming the 2nd stack from a sweepd ms because it would do less damage that way
But hard to say what they want
tacit lodge
i hope the slayer 4P is "execute kills target" that'd be sick
smoky kayak
That’s exactly what it is, except it also kills you
shadow ibex
whens ptr supposed to launch
smoky kayak
Well one of the benefits of this is that they have another knob to tune them specific to one another
olive nest
Considering the launcher text update, a good guess would be soon
smoky kayak
How well they’ll use it remains to be seen
dim basalt
For sure, but theyd have to cook hard
Fatebound is pretty cursed for example
Were hero specs confirmed to be evergreen?
steep osprey
Not really
but they are going to continue until at least Last Titan
Who knows if they're going to add something else then
lucid thicket
Were hero specs confirmed to be evergreen?
In their initial marketing iirc
As an alternative to borrowed power
smoky kayak
Were hero specs confirmed to be evergreen?
Yes, but that doesn’t mean they won’t change them eventually
dim basalt
Well not changing them would be kinda bad
smoky kayak
Ion gave a pretty good dev talk about it a couple weeks ago, basically “have fun now and don’t be afraid to change things later”
shadow ibex
i hope they cycle some in tbh. colossus and slayer until the last titan is so many years
steep osprey
I hope they're replacing some of the unpopular hero talents with something else
Like Blademaster for warrior
as an example
not the same ones every expansion
smoky kayak
So yeah, hero talents are evergreen, but that doesn’t mean the talent system won’t change again at some point - you really can’t plan for 5, 10, 15, 20+ years down the line
olive nest
I mean I think they nailed it with slayer and colossus
smoky kayak
I agree
steep osprey
I don't know about Slayer but colossus is great
daring heron
hi crit. did you get copyrighted and found the song yet?
no
steep osprey
why did nobody tell me almond joys were this good
what's an almond joy
olive nest
Try a “whatcha ma call it”
latent moss
geek shit cant lie
spiral coral
chocolate coated coconut w/ an almond on it
Tryna kill a mf’er
spiral coral
Tmy you still need gems lmao
olive nest
🥾
misty sandal
I mean I think they nailed it with slayer and colossus
I do like how both have their place in mythic+ and raid without making it feel like one is necessarily superior to the other no matter what.
teal fossil
Well one of the benefits of this is that they have another knob to tune them spe...
why couldnt they just tune the hero tree itself?
theres even a lot of "aura buffs" within hero talents already
smoky kayak
why couldnt they just tune the hero tree itself?
depends on what exactly needs tuning, they don't all have great knobs
and sometimes they have the spec where they want it, but not the tier set
hollow plover
is this final fantasy?
smoky kayak
e.g. if the tier set greatly enhances MS, it does more for Colossus than Slayer
dim basalt
is this final fantasy?
ye
teal fossil
ah i see what you are saying
the way in 10.2 is so that a tier set cannot "bias" a hero talent
smoky kayak
I'm not excusing a lack of balance, sometimes things just are out of bound and could be fixed in a variety of ways
dim basalt
been hearing great things about it recently
I havent played in a long time so I have a lot of catch up to do
latent moss
tierset is a giga cook
smoky kayak
I just think its a neat idea to tap into hero talents more, and I like how it further diversifies the sub-specs
hollow plover
im still praying that they give demolish QoL buffs
latent moss
I just think its a neat idea to tap into hero talents more, and I like how it fu...
what i really like about the tierset is that its ms heavy moving away from mindless cleave spam
steep osprey
like how DF S3 would bias slayer and DF S2 would bias colossus
Im so glad for this because enhancements current 4p is trash for totemic and great for Stormbringer
latent moss
i fw that
shadow ibex
its not like its one or another
you still gonna cleave, just that 100% MS crit is gonna be worth a lot of CDR
spiral coral
im still praying that they give demolish QoL buffs
able to build anvil while doing demolish added
Demolish feels like it takes an eternity sometimes in hectic fights in m+ lmao
shadow ibex
i wish they would go in a direction that let us get away from unhinged
i really dislike both hero specs playing almost same exact talents
latent moss
its not like its one or another
u will def prio ms tho for demo cdr
which is my point
shadow ibex
regardless the other will be avaliable in 1/2 globals
warm fog
I think their hero trees that are shared by two different specs will be a challenge still. Like totemic for resto and enhance
latent moss
if u get exhil blows u will just spam the fuck out of it for example
but maybe you wont idk if fishy and walhe simmed it already
but that was the idea
with tom to extend ur windows to cover second demo
its all theory atm obv
and sks just kinda plays into it
with tom and tierset
tidal kite
did they not made Bladestorm uncancelable awhile ago?
latent moss
bladestorm was uncancellable cause of hurricane
but whats the point of cancelling it
u can interrupt storm bolt and shout during it
teal fossil
I think their hero trees that are shared by two different specs will be a challe...
ya the healer+dps sharing will be difficult
tank+dps is easy
so is tank+healer
tidal kite
but whats the point of cancelling it
yes there is no reason to do so, but if i remember correctly they made cancel aura not work on bladestorm, but i just accidentaly canceled my bladestorm with an old macro keybind, when did they change it back that cancelaura work again on bladestorm
zealous pivot
this new tier is like s3 df fury
latent moss
ye hurricane got removed
zealous pivot
45sec cd --> guaranteed crits --> cdr
latent moss
hurricane made it uncancellable
tidal kite
so this is already a while ago and i just didnt notice?
latent moss
yep
tidal kite
aight ty
latent moss
regardless the other will be avaliable in 1/2 globals
i worded it badly
i meant if ms spam proves to be insane
we might talent into imp ss etc
cause ss uptime is king
no ss destroys cm generation
teal fossil
bless we dont have to min max collat
latent moss
maybe with tom and sks we talent out of one against many for more prio damage idk
time will tell
too early we dont have numbers
latent moss
maybe with tom and sks we talent out of one against many for more prio damage id...
take arterial bleeds cause we build insanely fast
maybe dn over soa cause of high cm and high ss uptime
minor gust
Oh boy hero talent tier sets
shadow ibex
just give me ptr
minor gust
someone tell the bleed guy hes gonna love this shit
steep osprey
Who is the bleed guy
minor gust
@weak rain
dim basalt
Didnt he want bleeds to be super strong in aoe tho
weak rain
what what, lemme check
minor gust
the way I read the tier set is the 100% buff affects all bleeding targets not just the one you hit with the MS
weak rain
was reclearing gally
minor gust
so yes would make bleeds strong in aoe
dim basalt
the way I read the tier set is the 100% buff affects all bleeding targets not ju...
We can only assume right now
minor gust
ik
dim basalt
I dont think its gonna work this way
But imagine if One Against Many and Arterial Bleed werent on the same node
minor gust
if it affects all applied bleeds I can see you swapping to arterial
dropping cleave dmg for more bleed dmg
well see
minor gust
ewww
dim basalt
But even if that is stronger, it wont be by much
Because One Against Many is huge for CD
weak rain
source of info btw?
weak rain
interesting
dim basalt
Imagine if tom
minor gust
you would still take cleave def so no S2 DF gameplay
weak rain
interesting what arms tree/numbers general changes are
no way they don't do anything about warrior tree
minor gust
nothings out yet
weak rain
ik
minor gust
but they listed Spriest both dps dk specs for reworks and brewmaster
because Spriest needs their frequent reworks
dim basalt
Warlock and warrior need it the most 
weak rain
I assume it's full rework, I hope for at least some changes
for warrior
because it would be comical at this point
rare kite
I assume it's full rework, I hope for at least some changes
full rework hahahahahah
hahahahah
minor gust
I assume there will be some ofc
weak rain
full rework hahahahahah
for those they mentioned I mean
rare kite
ah, ye maybe
dim basalt
Nah no full rework
minor gust
best we can hope for is jugg changes or deletion and reap working with WW are my top 2
weak rain
fuck jugg
minor gust
blizz plz double down and make WW work with reap and the slayer tier set aoe portion be about WW
rare kite
how about they make whirlwind have a cooldown, cost more rage and have it deal alot of damage
weak rain
Bet slayer tier is gonna be execute focused
dim basalt
Bet slayer tier is gonna be execute focused
MFE reduces cooldown of avatar also
Really hard to think of anything cool for Slayer
minor gust
Hold on guys I got the slayer tier set leaks
thanks to my blizz contact
Execute now applies a stacking buff increasing executes dmg by 5% up to 15 stacks
dim basalt
Inb4 they remove jugg and add it to the set with 99 stacks
And no duration
Holy shit I would be so disappointed with my low expectations
void bay
It's weird they chose warrior as the example when it needs a lot of rework
sharp wyvern
i did M vexie only using the one button rotation and got a 37 parse
where is the 80 i was promised by all the people saying its op
weak rain
also that colo set stinks like fury df s3 set lmao
minor gust
yeah numerically it seems really fuckin strong
fresh spire
how did you find out wtf
minor gust
my Dads John Blizzard
void bay
i did M vexie only using the one button rotation and got a 37 parse
where is th...
37 is good for me lmao
sharp wyvern
it doesnt have an execute rotation
weak rain
ez
dim basalt
Tbh set should buff all bleeds so roar goes stonks
steep osprey
fuck roar
sharp wyvern
they want us to use spear cause we have 100% crit chance
meaning we get the crit dmg bonus from spear
steep osprey
wait a doggone minute
dim basalt
Hell no
steep osprey
what's spear crit damage
dim basalt
30%
minor gust
colo set owns
you think the bleed buff is gonna affect all applied bleeds or just the ones hit by the MS crit
steep osprey
so it's 50% with 4p
weak rain
roar shoudl jsut get buffed
sharp wyvern
so thats 30% more dmg ontop of the 20 already
steep osprey
20m MS
weak rain
and to unfuck roar they should jsut bring back passive bleed dmg increase, so button can be strong by itself
minor gust
arms bleeds has recieved multiple nerfs
weak rain
df roar felt amazing
steep osprey
arms bleeds has recieved multiple nerfs
keep in mind we're not using many bleed talents because they're trash
fresh spire
you think the bleed buff is gonna affect all applied bleeds or just the ones hit...
the amp is after the 2 MS crits right?
at least i read it as that
steep osprey
100% bleed damage is 100% uptime iwth 4p
sharp wyvern
its after using demolish
minor gust
keep in mind we're not using many bleed talents because they're trash
because they were nerfed like I said
sharp wyvern
the next 2 MS are 100% crit chance
minor gust
the amp is after the 2 MS crits right?
I read it after any MS crit
not just the 2 guaranteed ones
steep osprey
the amp is from demolish ?
minor gust
theres a . after the 2 guaranteed ms crits
sharp wyvern
yes amp is only after demolish
hollow plover
did they release slayer set as well?
steep osprey
no
sharp wyvern
not yet
hollow plover
sadge
steep osprey
they only showed the arms colossus one lol
sharp wyvern
we are collosus gamers now
steep osprey
until slayer one comes out
sharp wyvern
how?
hollow plover
masybe
sharp wyvern
unless they make it a passive that allows us to execute at any health %
idk how they would do it
hollow plover
They could make it to where sudden death proc = guaranteed crits on MS as well
last inlet
sharp wyvern
condem on crack
who needs an execute phase when you can execute the entire fighht
steep osprey
that's the opposite of gaming
gaunt owl
why wouldnt you want to execute your target when its full health
you always want to
its like when you drive
sharp wyvern
but only cause thats where we do real dmg
minor gust
Ppaww come press demolish in 11.2
sharp wyvern
if we play collosus MS is gonna hit harder than demolish afterwards
steep osprey
yeah
shadow ibex
ehhhhhhhhhhhhh
steep osprey
demolish also gets a 20% buff tho
gaunt owl
Ppaww come press demolish in 11.2
i'm too busy trying to get fired from my job
shadow ibex
its crit chance
minor gust
i'm too busy trying to get fired from my job
perfect get fired in time for 11.2
steep osprey
i'm too busy trying to get fired from my job
in this economy??
sharp wyvern
actually its good cause you dont have to roll for demolish crit rng
gaunt owl
Swiss economy is outside the world one
they dont fire my kind of people
they just annoy me to no end
steep osprey
its crit chance
20% crit damage from 2p and 30% from Spear
2x MS guaranteed crit
that's like 20M ms
dim basalt
20% crit damage from 2p and 30% from Spear
And add tom on top of that
steep osprey
no?
sharp wyvern
imagine how fast you can destroy a prio target in m+ with that
steep osprey
And add tom on top of that <:keks:936231610850897992>
whose playing tom?
fuck that guy
gaunt owl
TOM is still dead
dim basalt
hahaha
sharp wyvern
if we play ToM we play fatality
steep osprey
sharp wyvern
which is good
steep osprey
yeah there's no way spear doesn't see play with that
sharp wyvern
cause we have been using roar for like 3 tiers now
shadow ibex
Fuck that
steep osprey
our burst would be a lot more short wit hthat set
spear demo
ms ms
10 ms burst
m burst
shadow ibex
I'm not giving up my stat nodes
sharp wyvern
it lines up with avatar too
steep osprey
it doesn't have to last longer than the 2 ms
hollow plover
NOOO NOT ARMS SPEAR
minor gust
enough to get your 2 guaranteed ms crits off
sharp wyvern
whats wrong with spear
minor gust
thats all you need
steep osprey
exactly frozen
sharp wyvern
you dont even have to stand in it
dim basalt
it doesn't have to last longer than the 2 ms
Well demo + 2 ms but yeah
steep osprey
do you think we'll have to use OP for Martial prowess lol
hollow plover
but two is too much for my taste
sharp wyvern
no CS?
dim basalt
maybe op ms op ms
steep osprey
cs is there somewhere
hollow plover
^
steep osprey
not the point
sharp wyvern
nah you want 2 op stacks before demolish
dim basalt
Minor gain prob
minor gust
tbh nah you 100% dont play spear because of the opener
sharp wyvern
you might use 2 OP before CS
minor gust
the 20% crit dmg buff is based on CM stacks used
sharp wyvern
but you also want deep wounds on the target
hollow plover
nah you want 2 op stacks before demolish
why ?
sharp wyvern
cause 2 stacks of dmg increase
steep osprey
the 20% crit dmg buff is based on CM stacks used
Duration
sharp wyvern
?
steep osprey
not buff
hollow plover
why before demolish
dim basalt
sharp wyvern
why before demolish
6 seconds on spear
steep osprey
on opener
dim basalt
oh god
hollow plover
6 seconds is a long time
smoky kayak
hollow plover
I think its entirely feasable that it becomes cs spear demolish op ms op (op) ms
minor gust
<#1234949058121171069>
oh shit
hollow plover
<#1234949058121171069>
yooo thanks
dim basalt
20% on exe is crazy
hollow plover
THE COOK IS CRAZY
sharp wyvern
2p is insane
dim basalt
I dont think anyone does
hollow plover
nah the 2p is crazy
dim basalt
Its boring
hollow plover
the 2p is so good
smoky kayak
that's basically 33% more Sudden Death procs (from Imminent Demise, not including natural procs)
dim basalt
that's basically 33% more Sudden Death procs (from Imminent Demise, not includin...
Isnt that essentially almost 100% uptime on jugg?
smoky kayak
it doesnt stack to 10 anymore
overwhelm does go to 10 stacks
sharp wyvern
i got the % confused with stacks
sharp wyvern
opportunist still on top
swift inlet
was thinking we actually run Skullsplitter with Colossus set bonus, but Slayer looks op af
minor gust
overwhelm does go to 10 stacks
ive never really tracked overwhelmed stacks how often is it at max or near max in ST and AOE?
dim basalt
OP will stay somewhat even in strength
sharp wyvern
was thinking we actually run Skullsplitter with Colossus set bonus, but Slayer l...
pls god no
not again
latent moss
wait so u can just stack jugg now no
swift inlet
wait so u can just stack jugg now no
should be easier
latent moss
surely sd procs often enough now
dim basalt
wait so u can just stack jugg now no
At least way more often yeah
minor gust
about 33% more often
latent moss
less technically cause thats just imminent demise
sharp wyvern
omg if that guaranteed slayer strike counts towards the marked for execution stacks
its over for collosus#
latent moss
not sd itself
dim basalt
Idk if we can keep jugg stacks up reliably its def gonna be slayer in raid
latent moss
its over for collosus#
40 million ms disagrees (made up number)
sharp wyvern
im gonna cope and hope they just tune collosus to be better
latent moss
same
smoky kayak
ive never really tracked overwhelmed stacks how often is it at max or near max i...
it's not always at 10 from pack to pack in M+, but in ST it gets there very quickly
sharp wyvern
both sets look awsone
latent moss
how often does tblast proc from tier
colo prot gonna do even more damage
colo prot is gonna be diabolical
minor gust
it's not always at 10 from pack to pack in M+, but in ST it gets there very quic...
I wonder how reap procs will work with a SS OP could we get 2 procs or is there a cd to reap
minor gust
incoming OP > MS > SLAM prio for slayer
dim basalt
also opportunist damage <:keks:936231610850897992>
We lose current set tho
smoky kayak
I wonder how reap procs will work with a SS OP could we get 2 procs or is there ...
there's a 0.5s ICD, so you'll probably only get 1 Reap, but you should get two chances to trigger it (which still means more Reaps in general)
minor gust
there's a 0.5s ICD, so you'll probably only get 1 Reap, but you should get two c...
seeing that their giving OP a way to proc reap seems my dream of WW procing reap is dead
smoky kayak
I mean that would probably have been an expansion level change anyway
wouldn't expect that for 11.2, which has already been in dev for awhile
hollow plover
also opportunist damage <:keks:936231610850897992>
but we wont have the near-permanent uptime of current 2set
minor gust
would it really tho? its not that major and we have the current talents to support a ww slam slayer build
latent moss
ye unlucky
hollow plover
so it wont crit that hard i think
sharp wyvern
hollow plover
Can anyone check if ret bonuses are good
if their tier sets are better than ours then imma throw hands
minor gust
Can anyone check if ret bonuses are good
it looks decent
tho gamba ret tier set will be missed
sharp wyvern
what else is new
latent beacon
it'll be nerfed
dim basalt
For sure
dim basalt
PTR up apparently
minor gust
oh yeah ptr up
dim basalt
oh no we barely got changes
minor gust
@smoky kayak does this mean these werent considered physical and werent buffed by Monks?
dim basalt
Mostly prot
minor gust
oh no we barely got changes
just first round relax
sudden fox
Man the set itself visually is ass
smoky kayak
<@61282228017041408> does this mean these werent considered physical and werent ...
they were, the tooltips are just being clarified
sharp wyvern
we can spam shout between pulls
minor gust
ok sounds good
sharp wyvern
best change so far
arctic iris
Datamining stuff is always hard to understand, but could this possibly mean that Demolish has extended range after the channel starts, so it doesn't cancel if the target moves slightly out of range?
sharp wyvern
gonna be shout barb from d2
dim basalt
Dance of Death new position huh
sharp wyvern
but its pure ST now
shadow ibex
thats fine
smoky kayak
Dance of Death new position huh
for prot, not everyone
smoky kayak
SD changed pos?
also for prot
sharp wyvern
oh it went from 4 targets to 2
i hate wording like this
my EU brain cant comprehent
rare kite
why didn't change anything for fury or arms?
it's datamined anyway. not necessarily relevant
agile igloo
Our tier set models, we are peacocks now. That helm is wild
shadow ibex
thats just model viewer
sharp wyvern
i think those are supposed to hang down
shadow ibex
its a chain
sharp wyvern
things with physics never look right in that viewer
sharp wyvern
reef glade
juggmaxxing more sudden deaths
minor gust
uhhh
reef glade
Surely u have to get a weak aura to track slayer strikes multiple of 3’s now yea
minor gust
idk if any other person can confrim
the colossus bleed amp works for all applied bleeds
reef glade
like if ur at 2 stacks and u get a SD you send it to get a ss that puts you to a third (currently 1 stack) so you’d get another free SD from that
reef glade
think would be good to know how many strikes u are away from guaranteed sd if pressing sd would give you another one
dim basalt
its a player buff
Oh boy
shadow ibex
if you sweep
minor gust
oh
minor gust
u were talking about that
thought u were talking about bleed amp
@weak rain colossus tier bleed amp affects all applied bleeds its a buff on ur character
from any MS crit
sharp wyvern
shit
skullsplitter is back
im going back to the slayer hype train
fuck collosus
weak rain
<@272860196991401985> colossus tier bleed amp affects all applied bleeds its a b...
I creamed
sudden fox
skullsplitter is back
I hope I never have to use that spell again
minor gust
yeah the SS thing sucks
sturdy hearth
prot are eating so good while we have, nothing ?
minor gust
if we can get the colossus 4pc to have icd
Told Crit about it so he knows so putting in his video hope for it to get changed/fixed
dim basalt
lmao the av when you get killed by Kyveza is called "Let Her Solo Me"
dim basalt
I feel like prot is still as limited as before
At least they can afford demo shout now
shadow ibex
3 target exe
golden raptor
Hey, could some kind soul update me on which is the best one to pick for the new belt for arms?
For M+ specifically
old urchin
sturdy hearth
3 target exe
nah this is crazy arms is not having that rn
golden raptor
Ty
minor gust
hope the prot changes cut back on its button bloat
golden raptor
That's a 4 second burst of free rage if that was for prot
I hope they bring back the overflow of rage for prot...
Or the overflow of rage in general
warped prism
legit 0 changes for arms or fury in 11.2 ptr notes?
golden raptor
There is dance of death change lol
minor gust
@fresh spire BTW tested on ptr the bleed amp from the colossus tier set is a buff on you from any MS crit and affects all bleeds applied
fresh spire
all mortal strikes :holy
half vine
looks like devs like dps warriors to stay small
fresh spire
i was just testing too before it imploded
minor gust
yeah ptr down
fresh spire
sweep MS consumes both stacks too 😦
shy tide
2 pc for arms is gonna be absolutly cracked on ST, gonna make it easy to keep up juggernaut
slayer train
🚆
minor gust
sweep MS consumes both stacks too 😦
yeah saw that hope its fixed or changed
seeing the tier sets 100% its still gonna be colossus M+ and slayer raid
assuming no other warrior changes
which we most likely will get
plain latch
yea we'll get nerfed
shadow ibex
fuck juggernaut
ancient scroll
so is demolish getting canceled fixed
olive nest
@shadow ibex perma jug stacks with uptime
minor gust
ptr down
olive nest
minor gust
so is demolish getting canceled fixed
Me and Fishy are gonna test if it comes back up tonight
golden raptor
Demolish getting canceled worst feeling ever
Especially if you accidentally jump during it...
sudden fox
Dont think Ive ever jumped during demolish lol
shadow ibex
<@364971082932813824> perma jug stacks with uptime
idc
golden raptor
I like to jump while i dps sometimes and well
shadow ibex
remove it or 5 stacks
sudden fox
Jumping a pretty bad habit to have
ancient scroll
you can jump before pressing demolish
golden raptor
But not during it
ancient scroll
yea
golden raptor
You can leap tho
shy gulch
Okay maybe goofy question, but like, what am I missing on arms? I feel like I am doing absolutely no damage compared to everyone, I end up with like 3.5 overall on a dungeon and I just cant figure out why its so utter doghist I feel like I must be missing something insanely basic to be doing 50% of the next dps but I think I know how the class should work...
Here is a random log from a run that has a log, not the best example but I dont upload my own M+ logs so its spotty at best https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/By7PLDT3MK8d6Vqk?fight=24&type=damage-done&source=1423
I feel utterly stupid to be honest I dont know how I should be doing 4.5 overall, I'd love to hear what you think I am missing it has to be something extremely basic and I am kinda new to the spec
sudden fox
Okay maybe goofy question, but like, what am I missing on arms? I feel like I am...
Post in log review channel
golden raptor
Kivii Ragnaros eu?
floral ledge
and u didn't take blademaster torment for priory
shy gulch
il is 666
Like I said its an older log because its spotty but the way I play didnt change in the last two weeks drasticly
floral ledge
take off ep fb and put both on bb
steep osprey
I saw that and got so excited lol
looks great
no more jumping around and dying to shit
steep osprey
I used to pray for times like this
Reminds me of Reaper Ult
regal wharf
Reminds me of Reaper Ult
fading isle
another reason to not use helms
unless it's a t-pose and they wiggle or something, i don't care i'm not using the helms
shadow ibex
thats exactly how it looks on ptr as well
fading isle
jesus