I would rather it just be a physical dmg increase with no bleed at all
#arms
shadow ibex
weak rain
they can just make it so it works like for CS, attack that applies DW should be buffed by it, like dmg part of MS should go shortly after DW application
it would also fix old SKS in df
rip old sks
teal fossil
i think having 1-2 bleeds is fine
its good for downtime
also pvp implications of dots
shadow ibex
Yea gotta keep pressure while kited pvp spec
I think sks design is just flawed. Hopefully we can get jt changed
Reapply dots during lust and cds is just meh.
Not even talking about tuning. If we were the best ST in the game pressing rend would still feel bad
gaunt owl
you mean opportunity strikes
latent moss
you mean opportunity strikes
nah but u cant lie
sd as mastery would be so good
u talent into sd being a massive proc in aoe for example
sd casts warbreaker
hooooly
maybe too far 
weak rain
Reapply dots during lust and cds is just meh.
They could bring back old sks, but als oadd that the next mortal stike after the SKS also applies rend
teal fossil
idk if that fulfills the philosophy of "every mastery is a % increase"
latent moss
idk if that fulfills the philosophy of "every mastery is a % increase"
why does it have to be like that
masteries are by far the most boring part of the game
latent moss
idk if that fulfills the philosophy of "every mastery is a % increase"
outlaw
weak rain
arms is one of the specs that opportunity strikes type of mastery feels right for it
but thats just slayer strike overlap
at this point
teal fossil
yeah its just outlaw
gaunt owl
masteries are by far the most boring part of the game
they made masteries bland on purpose
teal fossil
masteries are by far the most boring part of the game
because every stat is some flavor of 1% damage increase
thats the whole point
give or take a little bit
latent moss
sd would be so much more interesting or reverse dev evoker and make us useless pre execute
gaunt owl
because its too hard for them to use math and balance if its not a linear scaling stats
latent moss
just do reverse dev evoker then
lower hp = more damage
who cares shoe horn as into execute as much as possible idc
as long as we are the best by far in exe
also kinda weird that the execute spec has no aoe execute
shadow ibex
They don't make every boss have an execute phase
latent moss
if a boss has no execute arms is shit
so what
play fury
there will be a boss with important execute
and u will play arms
thats fine
olive topaz
Legion mastery with modern version of CS would be funny
teal fossil
arms doenst have to be shit outside of execute
weak rain
nah just give bfa mastery, whatever. It will be aesier to tune arms' regular buttons without mastery % in mind
also remove rend while we at it
mastery would just be aoe stat
shadow ibex
Idk if you realize bfa mastery made our buttons not matter
teal fossil
every spec is tuned around having 4 multipliers
shadow ibex
It doesn't matter what you press if some bleed is doing 30% of your damae
weak rain
Idk if you realize bfa mastery made our buttons not matter
I am not saying to make it as crazy as it was in bfa, DW in bfa was the most damage in every scenario
teal fossil
i would rather current state where every stat is close to each other
than having stats that are dogshit/OP in different scenarios
weak rain
They already make up like 12-15% of our dmg combined in a high key
too low, also roar is dogshit, buff pls
shadow ibex
That's like 1/7th of your overall
weak rain
roar felt amazing in df
weak rain
nah, too low, it's 3 instances of dmg
should be like 25-30%-ish at least on aoe combined imo
st should be 15% combined
shadow ibex
Other buttons do more aoe like cleave and demolish
teal fossil
roar felt amazing in df
roar is basically the same from DF to TWW
just that we got hero talents which pushed the % of roar down
weak rain
Same? Are you fucking serious, it does no damage now compared to what it did in df
thats the point
teal fossil
yes im serious
its only gotten "nerfed" because of hero talents
adding more %s to your breakdown
its not gotten nerfed at all
weak rain
In a sense that you roar and it applies dot damage its the same, in terms of damage its 3times worse
teal fossil
they nerfed the initial hit of roar which was like 1% of your damage
they have not nerfed the roar dot damage going into tww
and yet you want bleeds to be like 30% of our damage
which actually makes your other buttons worthless
dim basalt
Bleed itself does pretty good damage
Was noticable on Ovinax because it lined really well with adds
weak rain
Bleed itself does pretty good damage
no
dim basalt
Yes?
dim basalt
But nothing changed about it
teal fossil
his vibes did
weak rain
auranerf?
teal fossil
there was no aura nerf
dim basalt
What aura nerf lol
weak rain
there was auranerf
teal fossil
even if there was it wouldnt change the breakdown
dim basalt
We got aura buffs
weak rain
they nerfed 5% of arms dmg in ssn 2
teal fossil
maybe on your account
dim basalt
Yeah after they buffed it going into S2 iirc
weak rain
after they buffed ms by like 60% and execute by 50%
and op and slam
so dmg in comparsion went to shit
% of damage
dim basalt
I mean that doesnt make roar worse, its just less %
But it still does good damage in aoe
weak rain
I mean that doesnt make roar worse, its just less %
what the fuck are you saying
it literally does make it worse
vast drum
The belt prob won't be worth using at base ilvl right? Compared to bis 684 belt. Ik ik sim it but servers are down and I'd like to know b4 my raid tn lol
weak rain
you just said it
teal fossil
it doesnt change anything in mass AOE
dim basalt
Other abilities getting a buff does not affect non-buffed abilities
teal fossil
which is what roar is good at
your 1.75 target cleave is irrelevant compared to roar
in aoe
weak rain
Other abilities getting a buff does not affect non-buffed abilities
in terms of raw damage sure(except it does, because roar caught aura nerf and bloodborne nerf for no reason), in terms of % of damage however
weak rain
The belt prob won't be worth using at base ilvl right? Compared to bis 684 belt....
it starts at 691, no?
teal fossil
The belt prob won't be worth using at base ilvl right? Compared to bis 684 belt....
according to #updates-midnight its bis when you get it
shadow ibex
We got aura nerfed twice yes
Which is why bleeds do so little and sidearm etc
Its why spear is a 90 sec cooldown but does less damage than a single mortal strike cast
latent moss
Its why spear is a 90 sec cooldown but does less damage than a single mortal str...
580% ap
ms
)))
weak rain
in bfa it was barely over 100% no ?
latent moss
in bfa it was barely over 100% no ?
tooltip for final verdict is 213%
so tooltip wise ms is almost 3x final verdict
idk how it plays out in practice
shadow ibex
Armor ignoring
Since it's magic
Any of ours is mitigated by like 30%
Idr what pve mob armor is
dawn lynx
ret damage is above magic dmg actually
used to be the spec 100% of the time anyway
converts it into judgement or some bullshit that ignores all res
"Radiant" damage
shadow ibex
Yea that's why their tooltips aren't gonna be 600% like us
P sure they have radiant dmg increases as well
dawn lynx
ret's seem pretty rare lately compared to df
dawn lynx
shadow ibex
And whenever I list a key on my alt I have at least 3 rets apply
dawn lynx
that point on down is all radiant dmg
ret was fun before the always theorycrafted but never practiced csaa overtook templar strike
then it was whack, replacing a twice every 4s spender generator with an auto attack divine power
inner wasp
isn't it fun how wake of ashes is uncapped but everything we have is capped
totally arbitrarily
dawn lynx
lmao i love the little flair at the end too
"Demon and Undead enemies are also stunned for 5 sec."
well isn't that nice
inner wasp
i wanna play ret but i don't like how blood elf paladins are forced onto horses
let me have a holy crocolisk for a mount
dawn lynx
True
honestly the change from templar strike to crusader strike: auto attack killed the entire buzz for me
100%
reef mauve
A lizard is a lizard.. lol
dawn lynx
the older zuckerberg gets though the more i see it
reef mauve
I mean all humans on the Internet are fake
weak rain
Im a bot personally
reef mauve
See
dawn lynx
i'm always too stoned to contribute anything meaningful to any conversation
a questionable bot might be preferable sometimes
spiral coral
the older zuckerberg gets though the more i see it
The lizard people conspiracy, probably my favorite I gotta admit
100% a lizard
spiral coral
There’s like murderers, and then cheaters in a video game. Idk which is worse.
dawn lynx
and the musk pussied out
dim basalt
Pretty sure he did MMA before that already
spiral coral
Izzy’s my goat
dawn lynx
spiral coral
spiral coral
https://www.reddit.com/r/elonmusk/comments/15kjs86/zuckerberg_ready_for_cage_fig...
Tbh musk wouldn’t be able to muster up like longer than a minute just cardio wise
dim basalt
Probably
spiral coral
I wrestled some old teammates that still coach a week ago after about 5 years and I didn’t last 30 seconds before I was fucking gasssed
dawn lynx
musk is a fuckin freak who impregnates women and gets plastic surgery done
he'd be down in the first five seconds
spiral coral
I still workout and roll and shit but 1 on 1 grappling full tilt is so different
dawn lynx
oh yeah actual sparring, i miss those days but yeah especially after covid and just a sedentary / complacent life
no fuckin way could i do that again without years of training lmao
spiral coral
I’m going to school now to be a coach/teacher
dawn lynx
thats crazy man cause i actually had that thought occur to me the other day, like i'm set to retire already and i think that'd be pretty dope
be some integrated science honors first ~~class ~~ **period for a whole year
hell yeah
hasty vault
anyone do the math on the single button rotation? i feel like it would be nearly as bad as the vdh one lmao (-47%)
spiral coral
I’m like in my 30s have a really good career as a butcher, but, I feel like I need to give back in someway.
dim basalt
anyone do the math on the single button rotation? i feel like it would be nearly...
20%ish for us
dim basalt
Thats like 500k or so?
dawn lynx
oh shit i had an article pulled up on that one button shit actually lmao
dim basalt
Kinda bad
hasty vault
would be an improvement for some folks
spiral coral
Might not be @dim basalt for some
dim basalt
dawn lynx
Protection Warrior -10% -20%
dim basalt
I think its supposed to be a small improvement for the really casual playerbase
spiral coral
I feel like most people just being able to focus on like, idk, not fucking dying will be a huge improvement
rare kite
just remember the 1 button does not pop cds for you. lots of people are gonna have it way worse than 20%
hasty vault
ill take a casual player at 80% effectiveness over their usual 20-30% lol
spiral coral
Hekili will tell you to send av/rav/demo etc
dawn lynx
Estimated Single Target Damage Difference
Specialization Assisted Highlight Single-Button Assistant
.........
Protection Warrior -10% -20%
rare kite
ill take a casual player at 80% effectiveness over their usual 20-30% lol
won't be 80% even if 1 button sims 20% less
spiral coral
I can’t wait for drunk one button raids
hasty vault
^
dawn lynx
warlock is the only class that takes a low cut from it forreal
afflic & demo right at 7%
spiral coral
Has asmon made a video malding about it yet?
dim basalt
7% is insane
dawn lynx
every other class even bm eats ~14% minimum
dim basalt
Does wl even have instants?
olive nest
Surely asmon is going to log into wow and make some content out of this 1 button assistant
dim basalt
hmm
dawn lynx
and afflic is all instant i'm pretty sure
dim basalt
Because that would have been my guess as to why
Increased gcd punishes instants a lot
dawn lynx
just think of how many opportunities there are to fuck up a given rotation
spiral coral
Surely asmon is going to log into wow and make some content out of this 1 button...
Said he was going to play and put it on his spacebar
Watch him love it
olive nest
I want to see outlaws one button assistant
dim basalt
I should read the wowhead article to check if people are still upset about it lol
dawn lynx
compared to rogue ^ or war
spiral coral
I want to see outlaws one button assistant
No you don’t
olive nest
spiral coral
No way it’s not going to be more than that
dawn lynx
lock sitting at 7 is insane lmao
spiral coral
I feel like I have to do math playing SF lol
olive nest
Doesn’t demo have to use tyrant and other cooldowns at specific times?
So really 7% is being generous
The players using that will do far less
dim basalt
Im honestly surprised its only 25 for havoc
spiral coral
Yeah that is crazy tbh
dim basalt
Out of all specs I expected havoc to perform the worst with it
spiral coral
Family is leaving for the beach. I can’t come because of work, they’re all like “we feel so bad you can’t go blah blah blah” and I’m like “yeah it sucks.. 😭” meanwhile in my brain I’m like “I’m about to game so fucking hard ”
olive nest
That’s me when the wife’s gone, I get to no life video games 16hours a day for a few days
dim basalt
Im always alone on workdays but I have to work fulltime 
olive nest
Such is life
dawn lynx
I didn't realize this update was that big of a deal forreal
I forgot entirely about the one button thing
& the overcharged delves damn
spiral coral
<:xan:1094127979703062558>
Been like 3 years since I had the house to myself for a couple days lol
olive nest
It’s not often for me either but it does happen!
spiral coral
& the overcharged delves damn
Yay I can’t wait to delve 
dawn lynx
forreal i was delving last night, spent an hour in the horrific visions taking my time getting that mask of multitudes
spiral coral
I haven’t done a delve in weeks
dawn lynx
got epic helm enchant & champion weapons in about 4 hours
spiral coral
Because of this lol
I really don’t enjoy them, so haven’t done them at all knowing I’ll be doing them for the belt lmao
dawn lynx
once iti rotates to stormwind tonight hoping to get the hero unlock
olive nest
It’ll probably take an hour or two to get the belt and the bolt disc
dawn lynx
i don't mind the solitude most of the time these days forreal lol
olive nest
I’m sure it’s no big deal
dawn lynx
as long as it's for a reason
spiral coral
It’ll probably take an hour or two to get the belt and the bolt disc
I’m going to take you up on this challenge
I’m going to try to get what I need, get out, and never touch delves ever again
spiral coral
My own fault
I maxed bran out early on, unlocked everything out of them and so to do them again just on a harder version is kinda meh
dawn lynx
people are saying you should be able to spam t1 delves to get it done
spiral coral
Plus it doesn’t help I have a treasure-trove of lvl 80 alts that have been doing them cause of the weeklies for sparks and gear
dawn lynx
/shrug
shadow ibex
Time to do your weekly content to nerf your content
spiral coral
Damn you right
spiral coral
I’m going to have so much time to have so many toons geared tf out before the next season too
olive nest
I wonder why this season feels so long
We played a shadowlands season for over a year bro
Imagine
spiral coral
Given a lot of stuff, but, nothing to do it with that’s new/hard?
shadow ibex
I haven't touched the nightfall stuff
Like i couldn't even tell you what it is if my life depended on it
rare kite
We played a shadowlands season for over a year bro
we did not. but yes i agree this season has felt like forever
prob coz of all the timegating
inner wasp
i forgot about it 😔
shadow ibex
Just shoulders?
inner wasp
can't u get a mount
shadow ibex
Idk I just know the vendor for rewards
Has some shoulders
I think this patch was kind of a miss ngl. That driving stuff I did for like 3 days
And fights like Stix or rik 🤢
olive nest
I haven’t even walked to the area for dastardly duos lol
slow saddle
And fights like Stix or rik 🤢
Rik was fun wdym
Intermission was meh for arms
But fight was fun
shadow ibex
Intermission kills it imo
shadow ibex
Lose jug stacks.jpg
dim basalt
MUGZEE KEEPS EATING MY SDS
slow saddle
I think tier wouldda been saved for me if collosus was the best performing raid spec
shadow ibex
Things would be better if we didn't have to interact with jug yea
slow saddle
Not lnly that
But demo as a big button
And ravager
Also belt looks kindda depressing?
shadow ibex
It's just a belt
waxen storm
so US "friends", what is like to spam one button?
dim basalt
I LOVE DROPPING 15 STACKS AT 36%
inner wasp
I LOVE DROPPING 15 STACKS AT 36%
wouldn't happen if you used one button rotation
dim basalt
wouldn't happen if you used one button rotation
gcd longer than jugg duration yeah
shadow ibex
Summer sale
spiral coral
THESE DELVES ARE SO FUN
spiral coral
wispy hedge
Isn't there a command or a pin for recommended sims
slow saddle
I LOVE DROPPING 15 STACKS AT 36%
Jugg needs to die or not be obtainable pre 35%
dawn lynx
jesus
spiral coral
LOL
dawn lynx
like getting a new weapon at this point
slow saddle
Also just give it secondaries dammit
Whats this obsession with secondary free items
Like bis🤣
dawn lynx
that belt alone almost upped my strength as much as a 2h has in total
slow saddle
17k stam is real
teal fossil
Whats this obsession with secondary free items
its more of a tuning lever
if it has no secondaries then the effect could be more exciting
whether you like that or not is subjective
slow saddle
I know🤣, but half stats then
teal fossil
then the effect would be half as strong
slow saddle
Perfect
shadow ibex
Ultimately it doesn't matter. It's just a way to nerf content
teal fossil
not to mention we are reaching DR on bis stats anyways
shadow ibex
I hope they get bored of this stuff
shadow ibex
I don't want every .7 patch to have some random item to grind and never replace for like 4 months
slow saddle
I do
hushed patrol
i like it
shadow ibex
Are we gonna have a cyce circlet in midnight
slow saddle
I hope so
hushed patrol
2
teal fossil
our entire gearset should be circlet
shadow ibex
its just engagement farming
It's a way to nerf the content
shadow ibex
I just hate having an item slot be dead
teal fossil
and by providing power it nerfs content
shadow ibex
Especially when they still drop that slot
teal fossil
yeah agree on that
shadow ibex
They've made it almost impossible to be content tho
It's super easy to level
You can do level 2 delves
olive nest
I personally like the high item level fun items they toss at us
I’d rather that vs, we reduced the bosses health by 3%
They only become annoying when the next tier releases and now it’s holding back your ilvl instead of boosting it
teal fossil
its for shareholder stats
shadow ibex
It's just a long winded way of making content easier but I wish they'd do it in a way that won't see us having belts drop next tier for no reason
slow saddle
I mean guys
For casuals its prob super nice
Now i do dislike ditching my socketed bis belt
cerulean flame
yeah
olive nest
It’d be worth considering the stat ones for aoe/M+ though
slow saddle
In raid
cerulean flame
i was just wondering about crit chain maybe cus im genuinely stupid
brave dust
which belt effect we doing
spiral coral
slow saddle
Luck!
lime frigate
I think I unironically take the helmet but none of these options suck.
olive nest
ring if youre nelf becuase perma front flips
lime frigate
Dwarf sadly
lime frigate
Oof, Madone, that hurts to not take, but the robot says the helm absolutely curbstomps the competition.
lime frigate
I may wind up just waiting and seeing if I can kill Vexie this week first.
latent moss
chest>helm=legs>>>>all else
lime frigate
Chest/Helm/Legs are identical
latent moss
chest has the most stats
latent moss
I feel like i would just farm the first boss over and over
same ngl
legit doesnt matter i feel
this late
lime frigate
chest has the most stats
Nah they're identical at the same ilvl. 684 chest/helm/legs give 5771 primary and 2435 combined secondaries
latent moss
is my whole life a lie i cant check i dont have the game anymore no way chest is the same stat budget
i vividly remember chest having more
dim basalt
is my whole life a lie i cant check i dont have the game anymore no way chest is...
it is the same
latent moss
and head and legs having the same
gg
over
time to surrender and play loboz build
in all content
dim basalt
latent moss
<:keks:936231610850897992>
dim basalt
Oh no
latent moss
hoooly flame vents
shadow ibex
dim basalt
Bizen buff
left plume
sims saying new belt is a downgrade for me so guess will try again next week idk
olive nest
theres no way its a down grade
left plume
olive nest
link the sim
olive nest
youre doing an odd aoe sim with the ST effect equipped
plain latch
bro said give me 8 targets
olive nest
1T 5minute for bolt
olive nest
5T 1minute for aoe effects
left plume
ty!
tranquil mauve
do we get the effects from the belt by just finishing the delve? like the chest at the end gives it?
cosmic fossil
olive nest
rigid ravine
debating on just sticking w charged bolts for higher keys for more boss dam
electric current is
as a 1.6% upgrade in 5t tho
minor gust
stats for M+ always
charged bolts hits random targets
any boss where you pull mobs in for funnel you will lose that boss dmg so requires all pure ST fights
I guarantee that shit is gonna proc on cc mobs too in rookery
rigid ravine
anyone test to see if you can swap effects mid key?
low pond
Charged bolts it is
silver mica
what gem do we put in the belt? or is that a sim angle?
rigid ravine
sim
shadow ibex
Put your meta gem there since you gonna be wearing it next tier
minor gust
put whatever cuz it doesnt really matter
dawn lynx
lol @shadow ibex
im rockin the crit bonus right now, alongside the epic helm enchant & alchemical chaos
quaint bloom
fringe gorge
so for m+ do we just use critical chain always?
minor gust
if you want yes
urban iron
thats my top10 breakdown testing it
3% overall in aoe for the st effect really isnt bad
was about 5-7% on pure single
fringe gorge
if you want yes
i mean, what's mathematically the "best"
mortal ivy
where do you get the belt gem from?
minor gust
its just a regular gem slot its not like the ring
right click the belt to change out the powers
night sage
Hey I have a question should I hold using cleave to use collateral damage with warbreaker?
nocturne saddle
anyone test to see if you can swap effects mid key?
You can’t I tried in my workshop earlier after first pull
bronze tiger
is the belt even worth getting
shadow ibex
probably
stable fiber
is the belt even worth getting
right now probabaly not if you have a 684 belt
check sim ig
but at some point it will become better, so might as well just do it now ig
olive nest
It is 100% worth it
The bolt effect does a shit done of dps
For M+ the Crit or mastery effect
minor gust
idk shit doesnt bother me at all macro HOC into ava and BIS into CS and all it a happy day
shadow ibex
just fucks up if avatar ever has to be held
merry stone
Gotta love one button rotation forcing me to use sweeping strikes in single target lol
Also expected it to charge from afar instead of defaulting to heroic throw 🤷🏽♂️
shadow ibex
lol what
it doesnt matter i guess dmg is gonna be bad anyway its just half a gcd
biggest thing is it probably cant spend rage at all because of the long GCD
merry stone
i'm a tad surprised, it's refreshing things it needs to (rend, juggernaut)
colossus smash when available
if it loses the sweeping s trikes function it's decent
shadow ibex
there's no way it can spend rage at all
we cant even
with whatever % longer GCD its gotta be capped 25/8
trail arrow
belt goes kinda crazy aye? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eqMizGbBcXxZpLD8wmvzr5
shadow ibex
yea its supposed to be good
final dove
that delve belt skill tree, that only works in delves right?
sudden fox
Lol huge
cosmic pecan
how do we get critcal chain ive ran the skittering delve multiple times
grave mulch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tHV7bRWsSEfBik2BzvZiKPweird its only saying 1 duskthread on braces is viable now instead my weapon enchant and writhing
stable fiber
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tHV7bRWsSEfBik2BzvZiKPweird its only sayi...
well 2 duskthread is just better
so
ripe hill
In colossus should i align every cds in one time? Or just use when they are off cd
dire hinge
In colossus should i align every cds in one time? Or just use when they are off ...
Usually off CD, but you can hold Demolish for a few GCDs if your other major CDs are about to become available (a few seconds at most)
south beacon
do you get more titan disc shards from a 11 than a 8?
nocturne saddle
how do we get critcal chain ive ran the skittering delve multiple times
Are you sure it isn’t in your bag and you need to use it ?
Cause I ran it on a 1 and got it and then just had to use it from my bag
balmy kindle
Gotta love one button rotation forcing me to use sweeping strikes in single targ...
Nice blizzard programmer
fresh spire
frosty mist
new belt dmg procc not proccing for u guys two? was smashing dummys in dornorgal 10min straight. not one procc of charged bolts
worthy mortar
can we put S.A.D gem into new belt?
worthy mortar
gotcha ty
hard rock
silver mica
can we unlock all the " skills " for this belt now? or do we have to wait for that dungeon to be impowered?
minor gust
they dont need to be empowered no
silver mica
thanks!
night peak
If we're fighting a singular boss, do we still hold Demolish for Warbreaker, or do we just cast them on CD. Since they sometimes wont align together on a single target boss?
dreamy sandal
Bois, Electric current is simming way better for me than Critical Chain on the belt,
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oswGPF4dJxuBNLW9oxefcq
Anyone else having the same experience?
upper sleet
Ye
dreamy sandal
Whats the problem
No problem at all, just that the wowhead guide recommends Critical Chain
dim basalt
Sure but why sim if you only trust whats written down
Guides cant cover every single thing anyway
fathom beacon
No problem at all, just that the wowhead guide recommends Critical Chain
good looking out, thank you for sharing, i prolly would have never caught that.
so quick question arms warriors. im looking to switch my dps offspec from fury to arms- is it not a big deal if i have much more verse than mastery?
thank you. wasnt sure how big of an impact it was to lower overall deep wounds dam
ok, so noob question about that; why does arms mastery focus on that bleed?
viral locust
No problem at all, just that the wowhead guide recommends Critical Chain
Stat procs will be highly dependant on your gear, if you say have high crit low mastery then the mastery or haste might be bis for you. Likewise if you had low crit the crit one might be bis. If you have a very good stat balance and high ilvl then a damage proc probably might win in that case
Make sure you SIM with gems/enchant combos too as losing stats on your belt for a proc could affect your SIM too etc
fathom beacon
does verse help with the actual dot damage?
viral locust
dull siren
fathom beacon
i cant, im addicted to haste
dull siren
anyone got some spare gems?
viral locust
Yea I can sell you one for 9,999,999.98
void bay
anyone got some spare gems?
It's in the post
spiral coral
anyone got some spare gems?
I’d send you gems Tmy if you still need em around 4 est when I log lemme know lol
olive nest
anyone got some spare gems?
calm dawn
!ban 240598047174819840
whole hazelBOT
Banned gulimborsti
gaunt owl
i got my free 2500$
fresh spire
gaunt owl
now you cant have it
fresh spire
Stole my money wtf
Me with my hacked account and 0 moneys after clicking the steam give away
olive nest
Shit that’s why tmy can’t afford 10million gold gems
tranquil mauve
if i have best in slots and house of cards, in a m+ scenario when should I be using each?
olive nest
Got got by the gacha scam
olive nest
if i have best in slots and house of cards, in a m+ scenario when should I be us...
On cooldown, trinket first
spiral coral
anyone got some spare gems?
Not for you. Hekili enjoyer. 
olive nest
inner wasp
i watched the Donkey Kong: Bananza nintendo direct
i think they should raise the price more actually
goty
spiral coral
<a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
spiral coral
i think they should raise the price more actually
Bro 80$ is insane
On top of the online pass
Crazy
Don’t even get a physical card either like wtf
zinc wolf
You should just send nintendo 500 bucks why not
For nothing
They will use it to wipe their asssss
latent moss
nintendo moment
as long as people keep paying
they will keep pushing the prices up
inner wasp
as long as people keep paying
i will buy dk bananza
spiral coral
I’m ok with my original Nintendo and Nintendo 64
They can’t make games better so they just keep regurgitating them, just buy the old shit lol
slim compass
big mumma fight, do we sweeping strieks off big mumma or the adds? does hitting her with her reduced % dmg reduce our cleave?
inner wasp
They can’t make games better so they just keep regurgitating them, just buy the ...
you say that when they're releasing Donkey Kong: Bananza
the goty, the gotdecade
the goat, perchance
river ridge
big mumma fight, do we sweeping strieks off big mumma or the adds? does hitting ...
I mean everyone on Big Mama should be slamming adds so her shield doesn't go up or is up for a minimal amount of time.
But beyond that it depends on what damage profile your group has. Largely just send your Mortal Strikes at Boss, and cleave when you can.
warm fog
Floodgate got voted in for s3 right?
dim basalt
ye
void bay
i will buy dk bananza
Same. Best games in the world. Also fuck you Nintendo prices
quaint otter
big mumma fight, do we sweeping strieks off big mumma or the adds? does hitting ...
Should prio adds
tacit crystal
what where did you get this
tacit lodge
what where did you get this
wowhead is currently dropping the previews
tacit crystal
ic it now
shadow ibex
honestly
if it didnt send ravager
that would be ok
but no way you dont play unhinged
dim basalt
ITS COLO TIME
shadow ibex
free MS crits giving 100% rend dmg yea idk how we ever go away from unhinged
dim basalt
Wouldnt affect unhinged tho
Unless optimal rota would be to wait with ravager until demo
shadow ibex
added crit dmg to the demolish debuff
dim basalt
But like
Is one 2p and one 4p or what
Cant be because both are just too strong for that shit
On the other side neither set works for Slayer
dim basalt
Thats overtuned as fuck with these numbers
wanton stratus
they arent doing spec bonuses theyre doing hero talent bonuses
dim basalt
Oh and now I got what you meant with Unhinged
wanton stratus
so prot and arms both get that bonus
regal wharf
fresh spire
Likely not as overturned as you may presume. 2x damage on bleeds when they are pretty underwhelming and crit damage
latent moss
On the other side neither set works for Slayer
fuck slayer
shadow ibex
that pally and whatever that thing is
tacit lodge
shadow ibex
thats gotta be mage
fresh spire
Depends if we have much class changes along side it
dim basalt
Inb4 Slayer gives more SD procs...
tacit lodge
i didn't even see the pally set there 
dim basalt
Likely not as overturned as you may presume. 2x damage on bleeds when they are p...
Bleeds are okay-ish and col buffs bleeds also, so it sounds decent on paper
shadow ibex
added crit dmg to colossal debuff is nice
latent moss
Bleeds are okay-ish and col buffs bleeds also, so it sounds decent on paper
if only it didnt share the same node as 25% cleave damage
whats slayer gonna be tho
dim basalt
if only it didnt share the same node as 25% cleave damage
Fuck I forgor
latent moss
execute damage increased by 50%
WAIT
SD CAUSES TC??????/
BIG comeback
s3 tierset my beloved
and that tc does infinite damage
dim basalt
They better start rolling out all sets soon
shadow ibex
well class updates for frost dk monk and unholy
hey maybe warrior can finally be on that list
rigid ravine
hey maybe warrior can finally be on that list
Has this exact thought but sprinkle some more rage
tacit lodge
hey maybe warrior can finally be on that list
dim basalt
Manaforge Omega is such a weird raid name
misty sandal
Somehow I feel like that tier set won't be enough to make colossus the dominant st spec
Wait and see of course.
rigid ravine
That's a FF14 raid name ifnive ever seem one
dim basalt
Yeah thats what I thought too
dim basalt
Id be happy if we get major changes but Im not expecting anything
hollow zephyr
When i sim my new belt it says my crafted one is higher dps. maybe imn doing something wrong?
rigid ravine
In your sims probs
charred brook
New shadow priest rework!! Thank god it’s been ages since they last changed them
strange perch
@tacit crystal go on den liverpool score some bloody goals up the ra
dim basalt
New shadow priest rework!! Thank god it’s been ages since they last changed them
Bet ret will have another rework
flat willow
I thought about it
and they should give ret a charge or heroic leap
that way all the warrior players that still play warrior just for the mobility can swap
and blizzard will (maybe) rework arms once it hits 1% playrate
rigid ravine
Honestly just fix target cap issues with the war specs
atomic mountain
Oo
rigid ravine
And I personally will not care about anything else
flat willow
Oo
wtf, season 1 was the mountain king set, season 2 was colossus
season 3 should have been slayer
that's not a slayer armor, blizzard!
shadow ibex
<@364971082932813824> notice how we’re not included in the major class specializ...
surely part of the many more
broken arrow
Can't wait for a small adjustment to deep wounds duration
reef glade
its just any critical strike on MS for 4set no
which is almost guaranteed full uptime with 8 second duration
so those 2 dots just permanently do double damage basically yea
forced to play colossus tho xdd
shadow ibex
yea
sacred zodiac
sounds fun for m+
reef glade
real
shadow ibex
at whatever ilvl s3 is def have enough crit for full uptime
reef glade
i wonder if they +39 from 684 or 678 like god intended
sure would be weird if every tier is just like +45 from now on
slow saddle
so those 2 dots just permanently do double damage basically yea
And sks😄
reef glade
rapid bronze
how do we sim the new belt?
shadow ibex
BS dam
slow saddle
Blizzard wont have to fix juggernaut
reef glade
consuming marked for execution also reduces avatar and cs cooldown by 5 seconds 
slow saddle
increased execute dmg by 2% after using OP
Stackable
slow saddle
Let slayer die
sharp wyvern
slayer is fine i just want something else after 2 seasons
slow saddle
Slayer is not fuckin fine
silent valve
we're just yapping right? nothing except that image
slow saddle
Fuck juggernaut
silent valve
kk
slow saddle
Juggernaut stacks and 6sec bladestorm. Is just so frustratinf
I only play arms coz im stubborn
sharp wyvern
6 s bladestorm is only frustrating cause fury has a 4 s one
slow saddle
Nah its just frustrsting
slow saddle
Tbh fury wouldnt care
sharp wyvern
its 6 baseline
thick kelp
what bs is 6 seconds long
MY BLADESTOOORM MAAAAAAAAAN
thick kelp
noobish still hasnt seen thane tier
reef glade
explode
steep osprey
Those tiers look really exciting
steep osprey
Imo
reef glade
honestly think the cook of reck abandon makes proccing thunder blasts guaranteed goes so hard
slow saddle
That set is insane though
slow saddle
For prot
slow saddle
Pure dmg
slow saddle
not the shit it is now
Ngl havent touched it this tier
slow saddle
I do prefer when ra is better
fresh spire
It's jover
reef glade
Ngl havent touched it this tier
just changed RA for the worse
and titans torment for the worse
slow saddle
And of
reef glade
and churned out the same am slop its always been
slow saddle
And roar
reef glade
at least when its RA time its slightly different flavors
but literally every am season has just been "ok ur hitting rampage raging blow and bt thats it"
slow saddle
I like ra coz u get morw bursty
reef glade
s1-2 df had a little bit of extra stuff with onslaught which was nice
otherwise exact same boring hamster wheel shit
vocal bolt
wheres the link for mythic plus belt gem
seens the pinned message but not super clear
slow saddle
otherwise exact same boring hamster wheel shit
Tbf rotation works
reef glade
critical chain or electric current probably
i think spiral weave and skittering breach
steep osprey
Please tell me the dungeons have a 1.5 m trinket
reef glade
idk but u get to farm sacbrood again
fun times
double passive it up
o and soleahs trinket
steep osprey
That’s fine considering sac is inside a very small loot pool
inner wasp
and this time there's no sanguine make it worse
spare goblet
That Colossus tier looking sweeeeet
misty sandal
idk but u get to farm sacbrood again
Ugh...
frozen anvil
wtf..
steep osprey
I wonder if that’s gonna make the bleed talent for colossus useful outside of st
frozen anvil
sks is back?
dim basalt
As Col maybe
steep osprey
Most likely for colossus
dim basalt
ST only tho I think
slow saddle
I mean if bleed does 2 x dmg? So does sks?
steep osprey
ST only tho I think
Or 2 targets
smoky kayak
I mean if bleed does 2 x dmg? So does sks?
SkS doesn't technically do more damage, but it is more damage in a shorter time, yes
slow saddle
Its gonna be good in dungeons
steep osprey
I like this set because it diversifies the hero talents even more
And what you pick for either
dim basalt
But we really have to spam feedback about sks when ptr opens
frozen anvil
and the bleed damage is so weak now
slow saddle
Dont neeed bleed talenr
dim basalt
You think we have a point to give up for sks?
Dunno
I really wanna know what the Slayer set is tho
I can imagine that it will be more aoe focused
smoky kayak
But we really have to spam feedback about sks when ptr opens
what feedback, exactly?
dim basalt
what feedback, exactly?
Properly haste the bleeds without cutting the duration
steep osprey
Tier sets change talent point picks
Especially ones that increase bleeds a lot
Meaning we’ll pick more bleed talents
dim basalt
Re-applying rend during cds on opener feels really bad
steep osprey
Maybe it won’t be enough but I suspect they will
smoky kayak
Properly haste the bleeds without cutting the duration
wym, you want SkS to tick 100% faster without reducing the duration?
rare kite
all i hope for is some change to jugg. actually ruins the entire spec
dim basalt
Yeah
steep osprey
all i hope for is some change to jugg. actually ruins the entire spec
Yep
blissful bronze
Yo Arms needs a massive buff trust
smoky kayak
not sure that pressing Rend again is really the worst thing in the world, since it really usually just takes the place of a Slam somewhere, but I'll give it a think
by preferred solution is actually just to change Battlelord
dim basalt
It is not the worst thing in the world, but it does feel bad imo
smoky kayak
remove the auto-application sub-35%, and instead just make Mortal Strike crits extend the duration of Rend by X all the time
that way you don't make Rend completely passive button you press only once, but you dramatically reduce the frequency of reapplying it all the time, instead of just at the end of the fight
halcyon valve
mortal strike increases bleed damage? bleed build is alive? 
steep osprey
It’s funny to me that cataclysm has always extending Rend, but we can only extend it sub 35% now
shadow ibex
nah i hate sks more
stable fiber
need a non bleed build since rend does like no damage anyways
dim basalt
remove the auto-application sub-35%, and instead just make Mortal Strike crits e...
Sounds good
inner wasp
nah i hate sks more
no I hate sks more
shadow ibex
wrong
empty sluice
remove the auto-application sub-35%, and instead just make Mortal Strike crits e...
MS and cleave if possible
slow saddle
Why do ppl dislike sks
rare kite
mortal strike increases bleed damage? bleed build is alive? <:wicked:93709387685...
i mean with the new tierset it's alive for colossus atleast(most likely)
inner wasp
feels bad to press
slow saddle
Feels good
empty sluice
Why do ppl dislike sks
Old version was better imo
slow saddle
If its 2 x dmg
inner wasp
it doesn't make cool sounds or make big numbers show up on screen
it doesn't rly do anything i notice
slow saddle
Old sks was better 100%
rare kite
Old version was better imo
old version made our next ms hit for like 30% less
it was ass
smoky kayak
MS and cleave if possible
I wouldn't be against extending that to Cleave as well, though I think it's more of a ST concern than a MT one
stable fiber
its a button you dont really feel like does damage since it applys to dots, which doesnt feel good
inner wasp
i dont NOTICE my bleeds ticking faster
stable fiber
^
dim basalt
Id be happy enough if tclap wasnt target capped so hard
smoky kayak
Old sks was better 100%
old SkS was a lot more annoying to reapply though
halcyon valve
i mean with the new tierset it's alive for colossus atleast(most likely)
i just wonder
do ms crits increase bleed dmg on that target or is it just all rend/dw damage
slow saddle
old version made our next ms hit for like 30% less
Could be fixxed easily let dw apply b4 dmg
slow saddle
Iknow instead it was destroyed
smoky kayak
i dont NOTICE my bleeds ticking faster
I think this is an issue with bleeds only dealing damage. I like the idea of Bloodsurge mattering more and using SkS as a burst generator though
or imagine if Bleed ticks had a chance to proc Tactician/MS resets, etc
dim basalt
i just wonder
do ms crits increase bleed dmg on *that target* or is it just *all...
Valid question actually
But I assume its the former
slow saddle
Old sks wouldda rock on any dmg phase
inner wasp
I think this is an issue with bleeds only dealing damage. I like the idea of Blo...
only dealing dmg as opposed to what tho
they're always gonna only do dmg
smoky kayak
as opposed to doing something gameplay related
nobody said don't make them do damage
inner wasp
oh i see ur edit
shadow ibex
i think bloodsurge route is bad cuz we dont have issues with rage
i'll take resets tho
smoky kayak
i think bloodsurge route is bad cuz we dont have issues with rage
yes that's why we don't use it
but that doesn't mean there isn't a world in which we would
stable fiber
sks should consume the whole rend/dw dot left, and then reapply them at max duration, and double the damage of them*
inner wasp
I think this is an issue with bleeds only dealing damage. I like the idea of Blo...
eh i don't think that fixes anything
because ur always gonna have ur bleeds up, so it feels the same as getting random resets from auto attacks or rage spent
it FEELS like any other random resets, not the bleed feeling special
it's skill expression at surface level ig
inner wasp
but it's not deep or interesting imo
sharp wyvern
guys dont use the 1 button rotation on vexxie it green logs
smoky kayak
eh i don't think that fixes anything
because ur always gonna have ur bleeds up,...
I think if you tune it in a way that the frequency of procs causes SkS to feel impactful, it would work fine
inner wasp
oh
smoky kayak
just depends on what the effect is and what the frequency is
inner wasp
oh oh i get it
faster ticking bleeds = more resets
no that sounds neat maybe. ... maybe
smoky kayak
obviously that would require multiple changes to make work, but that's fine - this is just brainstorming
inner wasp
but like. you'd have to either make the bleed tick WAY faster for that to be noticable maybe
and then you'd either not care because the base bleed already floods us with resources (as we're already resource flooded) or have to reapply bleed every 4 seconds
or make bleed last longer
smoky kayak
to extend the hypothetical, imagine if
- AM were removed
- Tactician procced CS resets
- Rend ticks had a chance to proc Overpower resets
- SkS caused faster ticks = more Overpower resets
or some such
inner wasp
lots of changes needed yea
spare goblet
remove the auto-application sub-35%, and instead just make Mortal Strike crits e...
This is a wonderful idea
rare kite
obviously that would require multiple changes to make work, but that's fine - th...
ngl brainstorming or theorycrafting changes is pretty fun
dim basalt
What do we need OP resets for though