arms

[boreal quartz]

that criminakl

horror

9th boss

[arctic iris]

I honestly had a minor panic attack and started chanting "fuck condemn" when I saw arch's arms retrospective where he asked for it to come back

[shadow ibex]

CN was probably like top 5 tiers of all time if we didnt play arms

[boreal quartz]

condemn would make juggernaut even worse issue no

slow 80 % into roll the 15

[boreal quartz]

definitely

SOD is the GOAT arms tier tho

jesus

[arctic iris]

It was hit and miss. Our damage kind of sucked, and playing condemn was the worst thing, but it was also maybe the best spell reflect tier of all time

[shadow ibex]

i played ancient aftershock

[arctic iris]

I wish spell reflect was even half as good in other seasons as it was in CN

[shadow ibex]

well had a warrior for splits so i suffered it all

perfect expac for it

multiple wars why not have dif covs

https://tenor.com/view/prempdr-fc-mobile-fifa-gif-16778760554072111618

[arctic iris]

I wish they had brought back ancient Aftershock instead of spear

I know PVPers wanted spear, but it could have been a PVP talent

[shadow ibex]

we should just have it be a tether like ursol

[arctic iris]

Or at least, I assume they wanted spear. I try not to listen to them

[boreal quartz]

i think roar should be AA

[shadow ibex]

no reason that has to be a 1000% unique mechanic for druid only

[boreal quartz]

and then give flowerbed

[shadow ibex]

and yea roar should be aa

give me a choice node that amps if only 1 target hit

[boreal quartz]

but also

give SL wb anim

[shadow ibex]

and other thatstuns and shit

and im happy

[shadow ibex]

Give demolish WB animation

Aka all around me not this cone shit

[arctic iris]

Make warbreaker baseline, or at least not a choice node with blunt instruments

It's insane that we have to sacrifice so much single target value to make it even work on AOE

Actually, maybe the problem is just that blunt instruments shouldn't exist in its current form. It really messes with the balance of test of might and in for the kill

[inner wasp]

remove test of might

getting a reward AFTER ur cooldown window feels bad

having to plan to dump rage for 10 seconds before using ur cds also feels bad

[shadow ibex]

We never did that

Any time tom existed rage was silly

[weak rain]

Or make it stronger so the actual burst is tom window and not CS(also CS+ToM insane overlaps)

that was fun af

[inner wasp]

u still have to dump rage before getting to use ur burst

[shadow ibex]

CS tom demolish overlap is all i want from TWW

if we get that im happy

[inner wasp]

idk i dont like when u have to ramp 10 seconds before u do ur big dam

[weak rain]

so you don't want to ramp, you want to zug

[inner wasp]

yea

[shadow ibex]

we did that with tom

we werent paying attention to raid or delaying shit for a tom window

in DF we sent roar with avatar

[inner wasp]

how would u overlap cs with tom tho

if tom is after cs

[weak rain]

anger management

[shadow ibex]

because you spent so much rage in execute

[inner wasp]

damn

that does sound fun tbf

[shadow ibex]

its like the only unique mech arms ever had

[weak rain]

it was the most noticeable in df 1st raid, on razhageth last phase on mythic

[shadow ibex]

in nyaloth it was pretty crazy what you could do

[weak rain]

that was cream

and nyalotha 20% boss lucid dream/coral madness

[shadow ibex]

it was insane and awesome

we did it in DF as well in exe

[weak rain]

it was THE execute phase

in nyalotha

[inner wasp]

which boss was 20%?

[weak rain]

no, arms was executing from 20%(35% for ilgynoth)

[inner wasp]

o

[weak rain]

tbh, I love df arms, I have no clue why they needed to rework it

it was fun

now we have frankenstein monster

[shadow ibex]

df arms was just s1 of tww

stacking X multipliers before MS is worth casting

no thanks i hated that shit

[inner wasp]

isnt that still what u do in exe

[weak rain]

I don't think DF arms stacked shit, just 2 ep, just like now

WW was awesome in DF

[rare kite]

df arms is pretty similar to tww arms. hero talents ruined arms. tho DF had big WW which was nice

[shadow ibex]

s2 it was exe spam

we just didnt learn until lil later into s2

it was like only cast at x2 op x2 EP stacks but u only OPd below X rage or w/e anyway

[bronze shuttle]

Does this change if u already have 2 mortal strike stacks or do u still overpower with proc and waste a stack?

[inner wasp]

i didnt even know u could be in that situation

[bronze shuttle]

Happens when u slam the gcd before mortal strike is off cd and get an overpower proc

[shadow ibex]

at x2 mp p sure you send

the MS

[smoky kayak]

this has nothing to do with the Condemn recommendation

• Condemn was recommended because it's a common ability that fits into all three specs, making it ideal for the class tree.
• It doesn't have to be "best" because it's generally exclusive with at least one other option (e.g. you might play Ava + Cond, Ava + Roar, or Roar + Cond, but you're much less likely to play all three without any capstones unless something is really mistuned)
• Moving Spear out of the lower part of the tree would necessitate something taking its place, and I firmly believe that a (mostly) passive benefit would be much better suited than yet another active ability ala Spear vs Roar

As far as Slam is concerned, "not wanting to press Slam" isn't the issue, nor is there any real issue with pressing Slam either - the true complaint is when Slam is pressed repetitiously for lack of anything better to do. Condemn doesn't address that issue and isn't meant to, though that is not to say it shouldn't also be addressed

[shadow ibex]

when i see slam only appears in one tooltip for our spec and its in the fervor of battle tooltip i just cant find any reason for it to still be around at all

[smoky kayak]

not true, it's also on Barbaric Training!

but the better question is what would you rather press instead?

This whole "we don't want to press Slam" complaint is, quite frankly, shortsighted.

Slam is a filler; it's boring by design, but it's also completely benign. It's not meant to be exciting to press, because it's supposed to be a last resort - there's not really any way to make your least important ability exciting without it no longer being your least important ability... unless you make it too rewarding, in which case it's no longer your least important ability, and the issue changes to "Overpower is boring" instead (ala DF Season 1)

[shadow ibex]

execute instead. i think frost strike is a perfect example of what slam could be

[smoky kayak]

pressing Slam once in awhile is not any more an issue than Fury's pressing Whirlwind (or Slam) when they have nothing else to do. The issue is just when you end up pressing Slam repeatedly because nothing else is available

[shadow ibex]

but frost strike has a lot of talents supportin g it

frost strike could feel just as bad as slam, a simple way to generate runes and bleed excess runic power

but it doesnt. its got a lot going on

[rare kite]

i really like the mm thing where their filler reduces aimed shot cd. something similar to that would be nice

[meager stone]

but slam fishes for op resets, isnt that our equivalent to getting runes?

[shadow ibex]

thats what i mean thats the bare minimum it does

it also has a host of things propping it up

i could love for slam to do other shit but then im creating talents that stop working sub 35

[meager stone]

what exactly do u like of frost strike that slam doesnt do?

[shadow ibex]

i think 3 of the 8 bottom talents affect it for DK

guarenteed killing machine is pretty great

it has a real role in the pillar of frost window

[smoky kayak]

Yeah I made that suggestion awhile back, a talent or something so that whenevery you Slam it reduces MS' current CD by 1.5s

there is a downside that it devalues Exil/Battlelord slightly, but something along those lines would be fine - again, the whole point isn't that Slam is a problem, it's just that pressing Slam 2 or 3 times in a row because nothing else is available is

[shadow ibex]

something like that would be cool with fervor

[smoky kayak]

another option would be something like giving Slam a higher chance to trigger Tactician

[shadow ibex]

is that also not a symptom of them nerfing the whole rage and tact chance going into DF

can we call whatever that was a failure now?

whatever their intent was

[outer holly]

arms uses rage?

[shadow ibex]

can we just be on the same page with that at least. whatever that whole thing was and i couldnt even tell you why they said they did it

that was a failure right?

[smoky kayak]

I don't think it was a failure, but I do think they took it further than necessary

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-gif-5886878301589687559

[smoky kayak]

DF was a little one-dimensional, basically every ability had a 100% chance to trigger Tactician, which is very predictable and overloads the rotation with Overpower

If anything, just leave all the other abilities as they are and give Slam a 2x chance to trigger Tactician; that results in a better average which all but eliminates Slam streaks, without making every ability guarantee Overpower

But I digress, I agree that Slam could use better support (mainly to avoid streaks)

I don't agree that "remove Slam" is necessarily a good answer; I think the gameplay would start to feel a lot more stale with less buttons, even a relatively unimportant one

[shadow ibex]

ill take that

and a side of no more jugg

[strange perch]

@tacit crystal mohammed is the most commonly used name on earth read a fucking book for once

[tacit crystal]

Full Metal Jacket

[misty sandal]

I do hope they do something with that. Spamming slam like that tends to test my patience a bit while also making me feel like I'm doing something very wrong

[stable fiber]

if a spec has a point in the rotation where you CANNOT push a button (and its not self inflicted), its like automatically a bad spec to me

which is why removing slam is bad

cause then i have to push whirlwind

[boreal hawk]

isnt ww better than slam rn even in st

[rare kite]

for fury yes

for arms no

[twilit osprey]

I played mostly prot last time I was playing the game but wanted to try arms and be a DPS this time around. It kinda feels like dogshit to play though. Trying to follow the basic rotation on Oct veins but it just feels kinda awkward

[rare kite]

welcome

[boreal hawk]

yo guys do u pre-stack in every high keys as arms with the dummys or cba?

[sage badge]

Doesn't make or break a key, imo. So I don't bother.

[stable fiber]

the only thing worth stacking would probably be collateral damage

which will probably fall off before you even get the chance to cast it

demolish stacks you get like instantly so while it could be worth it, it wouldnt be nearly as much as it would seem

[minor gust]

Just came to say cata arms own

[nova marsh]

Does mop arms own?

[minor gust]

looks like it will idk ill report back when mop comes out

[slow saddle]

With a side of delete juggernaut yes pls😄

[boreal quartz]

it allegedly does

cata arms slams

[thick kelp]

owns big time

[inner harbor]

Guy I have a question I was hoping to get some insight on. I'm returning after stopping playing during Palace. Am I better to get the HC weapon from Dinars and craft 2 off pieces or still to craft weapon first?

[hollow plover]

Crafted weapon beats hc weapon every time

[slow saddle]

I miss time where crafted was max ilvl, though this is better for game😅

[inner harbor]

Thanks mate

[whole bronze]

Hey guys - do you have a more prio target talent build for m+ which still allows for enough cleave?

[hollow plover]

fury warrior

[void bay]

I hate this crafting system

[slow saddle]

I love it as a crafyer

Or well better than sl

[hollow plover]

i dont think you hate the system, i think you hate how unnecessarily hard it is to get into for no reason

cuz the system itself is pretty cool once you get it

but getting it is a pain in the ass

[void bay]

It's both. I didn't understand how quality works etc until TWW. But I personally don't do any crafting just gathering

[slow saddle]

I mean in tww its pretty basic

Get bis tools bis mats craft rank 3

Now i dislike concentration

As it makes 100 alts better

[void bay]

Idk why the talent trees for it have more nodes than talents do

[slow saddle]

Each node explains what it does

If u spend 5/10m reading

Its self explanatory. Now if goal is to make a lot of gold

It requires a lot more

[void bay]

Yes but I don't know what to take, same as talents

[slow saddle]

Thats on u though not game😅

[void bay]

That's my entire point. Just go back to how it was for like 14 years

[slow saddle]

Which was shit

So no

Its part of the game, and a part some ppl enjou, and finally they get a niche

• its uncomplicated

And logic

And no ive not maxxed out my proff but thats coz i cba. So i find i fair im not able to craft everything😅

[void bay]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-shades-off-poop-pile-jeff-goldblum-ian-malcolm-gif-18007773442630976466

[slow saddle]

Go play classic i guess

Or fortnite

[void bay]

I'm a bit old for fortnite, and already did vanilla

[slow saddle]

Well if u dont like games improving, or complicatin things mby. Hmm doom series? Duke nukem mby🤣

[void bay]

https://tenor.com/view/completed-completed-it-mate-completed-it-jay-inbetweeners-gif-24147758

[slow saddle]

Keen commander

[void bay]

Commander keen

[slow saddle]

Ive got older titles but those are prob to complicsted

Bgee with scs installed on insane?

[void bay]

Beamrider, pew pew.

[slow saddle]

Tyrian 2000🤣😅

Raptor😅

[steep osprey]

Owns even more than Cata, a lot more

[slow saddle]

I cant even remember it😅

[shadow ibex]

Taste for blood

[slim compass]

anyone know how i can get sudden death onto here?

[swift crown]

@quasi torrent @halcyon breach @sacred zodiac @daring flicker @dawn stag I have gathered you here today to check for Hosen

[dawn stag]

off

[swift crown]

Yes!!

[quasi torrent]

just unequipped

[halcyon breach]

combusted because of the heat, and also because I just lied about them catching on fire

[olive topaz]

Hey, in the execute phase should we only press MS with two stacks of Executioner’s Precision, or press it on CD still even if it’s not fully buffed

For example if I Exe then get a Tactician reset on OP, which then brings my MS CD down, should I press MS or just Exe again

[daring flicker]

Currently on soon to be off

[boreal hawk]

good afternoon chad warriors, one question, with blademaster torment talented is there a specific point in the opener where u wanna use SS or i can just follow wowhead opener for arms in M+?

[swift crown]

Generally only MS with 2x EP in Execute

[sacred zodiac]

no hosen

[misty sandal]

Unfortunately, you can't.

[quaint cosmos]

would u everhold like 5 secs to to this to an add for iftk

[quaint cosmos]

when do i hold av/cs for bs

how many seconds left

[hollow plover]

Depending on the fight yea but its a very minor gain

[quaint cosmos]

like mugzee myhthic or smth like that

[hollow plover]

Not on mugzee if that means holding dps in p1 cuz too much dam

[quaint cosmos]

looking to swap back to arms now we are on reclears but god do i do like 0dps these days as arms

trying to learn all the tips n tricks

[hollow plover]

Just get the no delay opportunist and sd conditions weakauras from #dps-faq

[quaint cosmos]

what does it mean by no delay oppurtunist, i have it on my core luxthos wa to pop up when i get oppurtunist is it still neeeded?

also how do i send b.i.s with my cds (dont have hoc)

[dim basalt]

If you track the buff like any other buff your wa is gonna show it very delayed

And theres a workaround for it

[quaint cosmos]

ah ye i used it now, got it on my wa!

also wrecking throw

for mythic gally is it only the start inwhich i wrecking throw

[spiral coral]

Yayyy now you can live your life by a cha-ching noise

[shadow ibex]

[slow saddle]

90% certain the weakaura + addon purge. Is gonna be a 100% shitshow from hell, and any1.enjoyin wow in any content above heroic will hate life

[spiral coral]

Mmmm doubt

[slow saddle]

Well if i loose combat timers //.text to speech

[spiral coral]

They are only doing combat, again, and even really this raid you don’t need a WA to complete the raid and there will be more raids going forward that won’t require them, so, I’m hopeful.

[slow saddle]

Or my current custom warrior wa for trackin shit

[slow saddle]

Gl doing stix and sprocket

In a mediocre guild

[spiral coral]

Required WAs for raiding is a huge turn off, and it’s bad for the game. Period.

[slow saddle]

Lel

Disagree

Besides thats blizzars

Not weakaura issie

[spiral coral]

They agree, general consensus agrees, so, idk man.

Other than, it’s gonna happen

[slow saddle]

Like u could do fights without. Blizzard choose to make wa fight

[spiral coral]

And knowing blizzard if they’re talking about something, likely it’s been cooking for a long time like dragon riding

[slow saddle]

I mean usually its knee jerk reaction from blizzard

[spiral coral]

Ion said going forward they were going to try to craft fights and mechanics that wouldn’t require WAs

[spiral coral]

This is definitely an issue that’s been talked about for years

And blizzard has had a negative stance against them for a long time now

I remember years ago random murmurs of blizzard wanting to axe WA, so it coming to fruition for me personally is no surprise

[gaunt owl]

Ion is full of shithasitgoeson

never forget the tuning knob of SL

they still dont know where they put them

[slow saddle]

Ikr

Or tuning knob of df or tww furu

[gaunt owl]

error 404

if they make fight with less demanding mechanic

they gonna tune the fuck out of the numbers really hard to compensate

or top tier guild will just nuke the raid in 1 day

[slow saddle]

Yeah its thats my feae

That my guild will never kill shit coz we got to many shitters

Easiest way to fix it, is just makin bosses that arent wa dependant

😅

[gaunt owl]

only so few were designed elegantly to make WA useless

the only one i can remember is Mekkatorque with the disarm bomb mechanic

100% communication skill

[slow saddle]

Exactly. But if they chose to they could

Basicly blizzard are using wa's as a crutch for their lack of innovative fights

[shadow ibex]

mekka coulda been a great fight

but then they made the intermission where you cant touch boss

and that dman los mechanic

[gaunt owl]

los mechanic was ok

just dont be a greedy dpser

intermission was the chill and touch your tiny pecker

sometimes you have to be ok about not having that stupid mentality of 100% in the boss buttcheeks

[mystic obsidian]

aside from the turnip punching bag whats another punching bag toy i can get easily?

[gaunt owl]

one in DF from the walrus people

[slow saddle]

Me realising doing m+ with no timers or knowlegde of trashmobs dmg spells inc

Is plater also dieng?

[dim basalt]

ye

Plater is prob the worst of all

ngl

[slow saddle]

I mean i also gonna miss my customized wa with the info i like

And no plater will make me hate life

Hopefully blizzard start slow

[dim basalt]

They wont do anything anytime soon

[slow saddle]

Ive been playing to long to loose all the info from sound as well

[gaunt owl]

removing WA now

is like removing all the modern assistance in a car

if you got too dependant of those you are fucked

[slow saddle]

Ikr. Combat wa can die somewhat

But like they need to give us something

I mean if details and stuff like that dies im gone ngl

[minor gust]

they arent turning off addons anytime soon

not worth thinking about right now

[rare kite]

they are doing an ingame damage meter. honestly the only thing i expect them to get 100% right

[slow saddle]

That should have been a thing for ages

[jovial hare]

i don't even have that much faith personally

[slow saddle]

I think they understand

[jovial hare]

blizzard drops the fuckin ball on shit like this all the time
only thing they haven't really ruined is the mailbox upgrade

[slow saddle]

How important it is

[rare kite]

i don't really see how they can drop the ball on an ingame dps meter

should be very easy to implement

[jovial hare]

they'll find a way

[jade cargo]

whats going on in here

[jovial hare]

just like their upgraded UI had a shitton of lua errors

[rare kite]

people freaking out over things that is yet to happen. typical class discord stuff

[jade cargo]

thats not #fury - nothing typical here

[rare kite]

[jade cargo]

right, @sage badge

[sage badge]

Right

[spiral coral]

I mean, I don’t mean to be pessimistic but I think it’s all a huge mistake because they won’t implement anything right and it will make people upset. I just don’t think what they can bake in will be better than someone that literally dedicates like a life hobby to (wa/hekili/details)

I don’t think a group of 10 people on a strict deadline can do something better than a couple of people freely doing something out of passion, idk. I think Blizzard isn’t giving a lot of these add ons enough credit for how advanced some of them are and I don’t think their version will be better

We’ve already seen this with cool down manager being cheeks

[rare kite]

oh i don't think they will do a good job with most things. just the dps meter

[teal fossil]

Dps meter is the easiest thing to make

I can whip out that shit in like an hour

It’s just summing combat logs

Like a rudimentary version

[latent moss]

QoL that wa provides

is insane

lemme track something

takes 2 sec

[shadow ibex]

i really dont trust them to have as much detail as details has

[latent moss]

it def wont

[shadow ibex]

like being able to check debuff uptimes and shit

[latent moss]

nothing they do does

[shadow ibex]

and hardest crit with demo

[latent moss]

it will do 1 thing and nothing else

[twilit osprey]

Is that just the way it be? I might have to install heklili just to say what that says and try to find a rhythm

[teal fossil]

Hekili goated

[rare kite]

yea spec feels pretty weird

[shut dust]

how many targets for Cleave to be worth?

[minor gust]

mostly just cd usage normal arms gameplay isnt realy awkward

[stray willow]

do we TC in m+ at all?

[twilit osprey]

I agree. Especially whenever I come back after a while. There's too much to keep track of and it helps me get a sense of what I should be using that's better than memorizing a list from a website.

Probably get hate for this but I'm totally down for that one button update that might be coming

[spiral coral]

They’ve optimized it for interrupts to 👀

you can turn it off in settings, but, I think it’s pretty freakin’ neat

Never interrupted as a mage until hekili

[twilit osprey]

Nice. Do you use the default profile or get one from somewhere else?

[spiral coral]

I just run the default when I’m first getting into a class then once I get my bearings and feel I trash hekili lol it’s good, but, really will teach you some dumb shit especially on mage or slayer arms or fdk

Any time you have to “pool” or do something that needs a certain condition met, it’s not accurate.

I think you can change it around and do stuff to it but I’ve never messed around with the settings to like, tune it? lol

[rare kite]

ofcourse

[south cipher]

Hey!
How big is Best in Slot weapon? Is a hero 671 Best in Slot better then a crafted 681 weap, for arms in M+?

[dim basalt]

no

[vast drum]

What do yall think the "golden age" of arms was? I had most fun with venthyr arms but idk

[rare kite]

tomb of sargeras arms

[naive sage]

I loved it in all the expansions I've played both on private servers (wotlk, cata, bfa, shadowlands) and Retail, except for TWW

I don't have fun anymore with it currently to keep waiting and waiting for a pug invite

[rare kite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32uNOEsXqC4 this is antorus, arms was pretty nerfed at this point but man still goated rotation

so simple

yet satisfying

[strange perch]

Arms vs outlaw what do you think ?

[stable fiber]

i think

idk man what do i think, about what topic

are you asking if you should play arms or play outlaw rogue, in the warrior discord?

outlaw fun as shit though no cap

[rare kite]

easy way to get told to play anything but warrior ngl

[stable fiber]

yeah

[strange perch]

I mean

I really like both of them

But i wonder which one perf best

[stable fiber]

if you like outlaw you would like fury

[rare kite]

outlaw stronger for m+

[strange perch]

I prefer arms to fury ngl

I want to be good in aoe while rocking bosses in st

[stable fiber]

that would probably be fury

[strange perch]

Heard fury was ass in m+

And arms was better

[stable fiber]

well, fury is decent in aoe and one of the best ST boss damage specs in m+

might actually be the best one if ret didnt exist afaik

[strange perch]

When i look archon I see that fury make real bad overalls in keys

Compared to outlaw rogues or arms warrior

[stable fiber]

its not the greatest overalls for sure

the end of the day it comes down to what content you are trying to do

arms is a much more balanced profile, decent boss damage, decent aoe.
fury is pushed hard towards doing priority damage on a single mob and having extremely good boss damage

[strange perch]

Well Im an unholy dk main and im searching something that could be as flexible

[stable fiber]

if you arent pushing cutting edge keys it doesnt matter what you play

[strange perch]

Something that rocks aoe wise and does great st

[worthy mortar]

arms is good at aoe and ok at st, fury is oposite ** neither of warrior specs is close to what u looking for, for that u would probably want to play ret paladin

[teal fossil]

venthyr arms was the worst both tuning and design wise

[naive sage]

Seriously considering it as main next season

[elfin kindle]

in keys, i assume you dont use thunderclap on big pulls during CDs, what about rend in ST during CDs?
how about outside of CDs, do you try to apply rend to all targets? I assume its Cleave > rend all targets > MS/OP, or am I mistaken?

[verbal marten]

huh

the only way to apply rend to all targets is clap

[elfin kindle]

you have to clap several times, but no that's not what im asking

[bronze shuttle]

How many stacks of Collateral Damage makes Cleave worth using on ST?

[covert kayak]

Ideally you apply rend before you send CDs (for ST)

Don't prioritize rending all targets. You'd be wasting way too many GCDs on TClap - not worth it. If you find yourself in a MT scenario where you can't press Cleave, MS, or OP then sure - send another TClap if you have the rage for it.

[shut dust]

how many targets for Cleave to be worth?
3+ or even 2 already?

[shadow ibex]

cleave replaces slam at 2 and above

[magic canopy]

@ancient scroll do you have any idea whats up with the last boss in motherlode. Tank is saying the taunt reflects are fucking up the boss but the missle is just randomly exploding for no reason

[urban scroll]

Tbh, I just have my rend be my Tclap as a macro for my M+ abilities. The tooltip is for rend for the purpose of tracking how much time it has left, but there really is no point in having both on your bars. T clap applies rend as is with the M+ build

[urban scroll]

Do you mean homing missile? The targeted player needs to run off as the marker appears on them. There really is no need to taunt that boss afaik

[magic canopy]

next frame it explodes our rogues on the other side of the grate

15% of my damage was taunt reflects on the boss

[echo tendon]

did your rougue vanish because if they did that causes the missile to instantly explode

[magic canopy]

no

i didnt meld rogue didnt vanish

were running another one gonna test to see if i dont taunt during the missle cast it doesnt happen

[inner wasp]

nobody told me that being a PI target is fun

i love PI

[ancient scroll]

Dunno, never had that issue myself

[magic canopy]

figured it out if you pre taunt the auto attack while t he boss is casting homing missle it will fuck it up

[stable fiber]

alright bro

im doing a heroic carry run

and my OP reset like 4 times on sprocket

this shit is aids

yeah bro

FUCK YOU

that OP in the middle is one that passively just came off cd

it took 10 gcds to get a tactician proc

[shadow ibex]

[inner wasp]

i get dopamine hits when i get to press MS 5 times in a row

idk if im supposed to enjoy this

but i do

[azure cobalt]

Who should I copy gear and talents from for my arms warrior?

[inner wasp]

us

[azure cobalt]

I looked at the top two spots on seramate and it’s the same guy and both toons have like, the weirdest gear

One doesn’t even have rings

[inner wasp]

idk what seramate even is 😭 wow players be looking at the weirdest sites instead of their wowhead guide

[azure cobalt]

Well, it’s PvP focused

[inner wasp]

just take gear with haste/crit

are u asking abt pvp?

[azure cobalt]

Yea

[inner wasp]

that aint this channel

[azure cobalt]

Am I in the wrong channel? Lol

Dang

[inner wasp]

#pvp u gotta ask there

[azure cobalt]

😝

[inner wasp]

somewhere

idk i dont go there it scares me

[azure cobalt]

Thanks

[stable fiber]

me

ok for pvp

nvm

[grave mulch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/d-i-s-c-belt-effects-revisited-post-buffs-a-new-champion-emerges-in-patch-11-1-7-377277?utm_source=discord-webhook yo cool 😄

not sure how i feel about this belt. it will eventually go up to 701 but i hope it procs like mad to be fun

[wicked aurora]

sims are telling me to use HoC over Seaforium but on mugzee I'm consistently doing a pretty large amount less with HoC, anyone have an idea what might cause it?

nothing else is changing

nevermind figured it out

[slim compass]

can anyone let me know what our dmg % should be looking like on m+ keys in order from 1-5

[stable fiber]

it depends heavily on dungeon and if its one you use cleave a lot in or one you dont use cleave often in, but your first 3 abilities should be cleave demolish and mortal strike

then next one is usually overpower, then its troar or deep wounds

like ToP Mortal strike will probably be your highest, then demolish, then cleave

but cinderbrew itll go cleave, demolish then mortal strike

% numbers also always change depending on dungeon, route and lowkey rng and how the player themselves play

[worthy mortar]

guy do u send cds on myth gallywix, or hold them for 1st adds?

[viral locust]

Depends on your comp tbh, if adds get deleted send on cd for boss damage. If adds are not dying consider a small hold

[dim basalt]

If P1 adds are not dying you should be hella worried

[viral locust]

At this point yeah (raid buff and gear ilvl), but I respect everyone is not a giga parser or maybe don't have a comp that deletes them

[indigo ivy]

Shield doesn’t last much nowadays, delaying it till 1st adds gives you better Avatar alignment for the rest of the fight

[quaint cosmos]

as a lil parse brain warrior on reclears is there really any point to use rend over tc in st or can i keep sending tc

[rare kite]

it is technically a dps increase. very small tho

[worthy mortar]

So overal its better to send avatar on 1st adds?

[worthy mortar]

tbh adds die fast, we have double ret,fury,havoc, hunter

[strange perch]

@tacit crystal yo

[gleaming cosmos]

I feel my opener in M+ just isn't matching what I'd except (cant seem to break 20k on Cinder). Generally charge > cleave > clap > roar > ava + sweep > Ravager > Warbreaker > Cleave > Just rotation until 10 stacks then demolish

Must be going wrong somewhere

Ah and if I can I see if I can hold for warbreaker to buff collat but I forget sometimes (and sometimes the lineup seems bad)

How much do we want so spread rend in the big pulls like Cinder first/floodgate first etc?

[viral locust]

Best to upload a log but your rotation seems ok, probably comp dependant too if you play with a DK/Boomie deleting smallies maybe Vs say an arcane mage too

Can check some top DPS logs high keys see what opener they are doing in comparison but looks similar to what you push

[gleaming cosmos]

Main difference seems to be sweeper > ravager before ava > warbreaker from what I do.

[viral locust]

Most of that pull is who can pad the smallies faster too, check your damage to the important targets tbh better metric to focus on rather than hitting a certain number

[worthy mortar]

is m gallywix good execute boss?

[dim basalt]

What is a good execute boss?

Its just another boss like any other

[worthy mortar]

i mean is it like sprocket we can sit on him from 35% to 0?

cuz i on mugzee i had to go to prison lost my juggernaut stacks..

[dim basalt]

If youre playing correctly, pretty much

[worthy mortar]

ah okok, would u recomend using avatar on pull or 1st adds?

[dim basalt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Top logs are kinda 50/50

I always used everything on pull

[halcyon breach]

The adds will die regardless

Just send on pull

Kill the boss first, worry about parses after

[worthy mortar]

will do, thx !

[dim basalt]

Wild trial we will have on Thursday for re-clear

[hollow plover]

bless ur soul

arms trial as well

oh my god.

[dim basalt]

Parses were mostly in april and may with like 665 ilvl

Without deaths tho...

[hollow plover]

so he jsut didnt raid since ?

[dim basalt]

Seems like he just started playing again

Couldnt find any other chars

Dude is in for a bad time tho

Going blind into mythic re-clear

[hollow plover]

I mean before even going into it

you should ask him like

prio list stuff maybe

see if hes just garbo

[dim basalt]

I will prob get asked to check his logs after raid

[hollow plover]

i mean, sounds a bit like a full carry run

[dim basalt]

Doubt he will stay in raid for the entire time

Prob only first 4

[inland drift]

gosh gotta improve my parses well, they are well over 60 but still

[sacred zodiac]

Die fury

I need a better mug parse and idk if its gonna be easier as arms or fury

[rare kite]

prob fury, atleast when they remove add damage

just tunnel boss

[sacred zodiac]

Ye probs gonna have to do that

Dps stop to not fuck over Paladin cdr is so bad for jugg xd

[tacit crystal]

its probably still worth to swap to them for jug no?

[strange perch]

Hi

[dull siren]

yap bauck

[rare kite]

for fury? no don't think so

[tacit crystal]

for arms

[rare kite]

ofc it's worth for arms

[dull siren]

Sweeping Strikes > Mouseover execute

not worth swapping to them when you can just mouseover execute and keep hittin boss

[tacit crystal]

like exe exe hit boss with main ms

[charred brook]

Yeah, good fight to practice that on is OaB

[strange perch]

Hi

[tacit crystal]

hi pauckus

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965371616269848578/1322632669720481897/makesweet-kdo7mw.gif

[strange perch]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7cdG5Q9KkEphwI5FcenOUV?si=eZTTZYTEQ7ehEFVuaaQvsA listen to this

[tacit crystal]

play persona 5 royal

[strange perch]

Okay

[latent moss]

i aint stopping cro

my juggernaut is STACKED

and im not gonna stop pressing execute

[latent moss]

hoooly

[old urchin]

I had such a good run on first mug kill and then one of the bombs soaks went INTO A GAOL at the back of the room. 2/3 of the raid died. Still killed but damn I was cranking until then.

[zinc wolf]

clearly he was held back by group

[dim basalt]

Who knows under what circumstances these were

In keys he has 90%-ish logs

Not exactly great either but hes still only 671 ilvl

Will see

I just hope staff wont expect me to teach him Arms

(or Fury lol)

[charred brook]

What level is your guild at

Like what ranking

[latent moss]

wr 1 echo

cluegi

echo fell off

[charred brook]

Are they able to consistently find people with like 90+ logs

Holy

[tacit crystal]

i am revvez

🙂

[latent moss]

u are galastronk

[charred brook]

Gio =

[astral yarrow]

you are galastronk

[tacit crystal]

explode

evaporate

cease

[latent moss]

hoooly 🤝

[charred brook]

Did anybody else craft stuff for fury and arms now

[dim basalt]

Only WR 1060 this time

[astral yarrow]

arms lives with mast/vers stuff or fury lives with crit/haste stuff

cba

[dim basalt]

But if youre not able to purple parse as a CE raider youre doomed ngl

[charred brook]

Yeah, I would agree

[latent moss]

i remember tindral

my 99 = gray affli

xddddddddddddd

[dim basalt]

[latent moss]

peak boss

[charred brook]

Oh wait those are heroic, not mythic logs

[dim basalt]

Yeah he doesnt have any mythic logs

[charred brook]

Holy

[dim basalt]

But surely he has mythic xp in some way, otherwise I cant imagine why staff would accept him as trial

[charred brook]

It’s time for you to step up and lead him

[dim basalt]

Hell naw

Just press buttons man

Im not sure if Im gonna play for much longer anyway, if theres no Arms changes next patch Im gone cba

Cant reroll to hunter because we have so many and I dont wanna learn a new class

More time for gym

[latent moss]

amen

same

cba playing this cbt gameplay spec

if they dont wanna change it i dont wanna play

[dim basalt]

I started playing FF14 again few days ago

But gotta quest through Endwalker and DT

Shit takes forever

[slow saddle]

My only alt is dk

And im not to optimistic there either

[sudden fox]

I was on the knifes edge of being okay with it until tonight. I am now not

[warped ether]

Le game dead

Le cope

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sad-gif-26907153

[grave mulch]

Is gear compare on raidbots okay to use still for just embelishments???

[olive nest]

Create the crafted item in top gear with the embellish you want to compare

[grave mulch]

so you are saying create it in game then sim it?

OH top gear wait im sorry

[olive nest]

Yeah so for example:

• create an everforged vambrace with crit/haste at 681 ilvl
• right click the item after it’s created and select add dusk thread
• select whatever items you want to compare it to
• run sim

You can do multiple versions of the craft by right clicking and creating a duplicate of it with different stats, change the embellish etc
yes this is directions for top gear on the raidbots site

[shadow ibex]

I need another alt but only melee left is dh rogue and feral

Not playing no fucking ret

[olive nest]

I’ve been very interested in sin rogue lately

Haven’t leveled it yet but been watching content and it looks fun

[grave mulch]

Welp ascendance sims highest for me atm

at 680

[charred brook]

Sin rogue just obliterates prio damage

We picked up one for keys and it’s insane how much faster the prio target dies

[olive nest]

Oh yeah dude it looks so sick

They just rupture like 3-4 targets and pump finishers into the prio target

Not to mention kingsbain fucks hard when you do the shiv correctly

[shadow ibex]

Daggers look dumb tho

Never seen any that looked nice

[warm fog]

Rogue have some decent sets for transmog

[olive nest]

I like the wotlk set

Think it’s from ulduar?

[shadow ibex]

I can't be seen in anything without 3d elements 💅

[hollow plover]

in case this was missed earlier, since i didnt see a direct response to this one small detail: creating the item means adding it in top gear directly through the search bar, you do not need to craft it in game first to then sim after. Seems like it needed clarification

[shadow ibex]

plz 11.2 news

i cant take mining anymore

[silk spade]

assa owns to play

spec is so fun

[minor kraken]

season 3 news when?

[naive sage]

Assa is so cool

[bronze tiger]

why is our discord icon a rainbow

[olive nest]

Pride month

[bronze tiger]

isnt it mens mental health month

[naive sage]

It’s pride month too

[bronze tiger]

just thought they would implement both

not one over the other

[olive nest]

Louder voices from the gay community

Nobody really talks about men’s mental health

[bronze tiger]

might be just be, but i find it hard to believe the warrior discord has a gay community

[olive nest]

Gay people also play wow bro

News flash

Lmao

[gusty pine]

That’s definitely a you thing

[bronze tiger]

im just trying to imagine a gay warrior and cannot stop laughin

[dire hinge]

if you value your time here i'd be careful what you say

[rare kite]

it's just a muscular dude who happens to like other dudes no?

[bronze tiger]

just a lot more zesty, which is making it funny

[gusty pine]

I think you need to start thinking outside of stereotypes tbh

[bronze tiger]

sorry i didnt mean to offend you, if you are gay

[dire hinge]

It's all good, there's just no need to make jabs at folks either.

[slow saddle]

Trust me the offended ppl are 90% offended on behalf of others

[olive nest]

True that

My aunts crack jokes all the time

They could care less

[latent moss]

gta washington wgat it is

[olive nest]

GTA Washington!?

Isn’t the new one set in Miami?

[latent moss]

time traveller: minecraft 2 playing with chilling

me: minecraft 3 i am playing

time traveller: minecraft 3 wgat it is

[latent moss]

its some restarted meme

meme wgat it is

[glossy oar]

Can someone explain how much dmg just the Skyfury buff gives Arms? Don't need an exact number, but a rough estimate

[olive nest]

About 42.069 damages

[silk spade]

lmfao

[latent moss]

hello zhai

zhai: hello wgat it is

[slender sonnet]

bro

[silk spade]

what's a father

[gaunt owl]

wtf is that even supposed to mean

[rare kite]

fancy weird for priest/bishop

yw

[untold sandal]

you can disable skyfury in your sims to compare

[olive nest]

LOL

[latent moss]

time traveller: wtf wgat it is

[silk spade]

cone your age is showing

most will not understand

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372158613312897036/1376317636249518170/speechmeme.com_25_05_2025_23_54_45.gif

[bronze tiger]

Yes brother

[fresh spire]

[plain latch]

does Best in slots go % or amount?

my haste is higher but its proccing mastery

or the active is mastery rather

[rare kite]

huge. egghead easily my fav timeskip arc, prob contender for best arc

[silk spade]

rating

amount yeah

[plain latch]

hm then could nelf be messing it up

since its evening here

and im reading it wrong

[shadow ibex]

try requip rings and stuff

and bis

[silk spade]

bis gives you your highest stat at the time you press it, and the passive proc might shift that often

if your stats are close

[plain latch]

ah

thats prob it

thats stupid though right?

[silk spade]

https://wago.io/hC5xUQatt

you can test it usingthis

[plain latch]

thanks guys u're the best

(in slots)

[teal fossil]

Don’t think too much about it

[plain latch]

i like having pi 😄

[viral locust]

another pointless tracking weak aura

[silk spade]

agree

[viral locust]

just send, you sim already averaged it out lol, delaying it for the perfect stat may result in a loss of use in a key/fight or misalign it - or worse yet if its close to HOC and you can't use hoc with big cd

[silk spade]

the sim sends it on cd iirc which is also suboptimal

it was mostly for ptr testing purposes

[viral locust]

sends ie like 2-3 seconds before warbreaker which last 10s?

15s buff

think thats fine

can hold for WB i guess but probably smol min max

[silk spade]

it is

[viral locust]

yea the sim sends on cd just before, recommended to send with cs, but its minor

[silk spade]

other specs have more things to think about when using it after your first on use

[chilly thunder]

Trinket macro'd into avatar bis macrod into CS seems to work out most of the time

[hollow plover]

"most of the time" is not very reliable imo

i highly recommend making a seperate keybind for it

we already have like zero keybinds

[brave dust]

Do you use BIS on Cool down or do i just wait for DPS CDS?

[dim basalt]

Can do either, difference isnt huge

Tho if it doesnt line up well later in the fight just use it without cd

Oh and in this case, you only care to pair it with cs

[hollow plover]

^

[olive nest]

I also macro slots/cs and Ava/HoC I never have issues

[hollow plover]

or during dmg amps/add spawns

[olive nest]

Just be sure to always press the Ava bind a mili second before the cs bind and you’ll be good

[hollow plover]

you only ever have zero issues if you click CS before Avatar

which kinda doesnt always happen

[olive nest]

I have found it to be pretty fool proof in my experience

[hollow plover]

Again, that only happens whenever you press CS before Ava

[dim basalt]

But who presses cs before Ava

[olive nest]

Nobody that plays correctly

[dim basalt]

I mean it doesnt make a big difference in terms of dps

But ava before cs feels a lot smoother

Unless your keybinds suck balls

[hollow plover]

yuh

[dire hinge]

I just macro them together, with a modifier to cast CS without Avatar as an option

Just put Avatar first in the list

[olive nest]

Yep that works too

Albeit minor, Ava buffs cs initial damage

[dim basalt]

Thats overengineered

[dire hinge]

90% of the time you just press CS and don’t think about it, especially in raid

[hollow plover]

yea that seems overkill

[dire hinge]

To each their own. Since most of the time you want to cast them together, so that’s my default binding (macro).

Occasionally you want to hold Avatar for (reasons), so it becomes the outlier.

[olive nest]

The point of his modifier is to be able to cast CS at a time where you would want to hold Ava for an add spawn

It makes sense

Gallywix heroic is a prime example

You want to hold second avatar for the add spawn

But you can squeeze a CS in

[dim basalt]

Just send it all yolo

[dire hinge]

Yeah or like in M+ if you’re in a small pack and a big one is coming next, but all your CDs are currently up

Can blow CS now and all CDs next pack

Different methods for the same thing.

One thing I enjoy about wow is how you can make it work for your own brain

[olive nest]

Big true!

[chilly thunder]

its ok when someone else says it:P

[olive nest]

In general concerning most things in life, it’s a smart idea to gather many opinions to help you form your own

Works great

[chilly thunder]

absolutely

[dim basalt]

Stop being smart in the warrior discord

We zugzug

[chilly thunder]

a mage walk past and gave us arcane int

[olive nest]

This is arms chat

Home of the intellectuals

[dim basalt]

Could use an int buff to not die on gally p2 like a stupid fuck

[warm fog]

Too many words, not enough zugzug

[olive nest]

(I’m not one of them)

[dire hinge]

I use all of my brain cells optimizing rotation, macros, UI and UX, then promptly jump into the gally hole 🕳️

[dim basalt]

Happened to our boomkin

Twice even I think

[olive nest]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[dire hinge]

I think about this one often

[warm fog]

Gally hole made me think we were gonna get another mythic only stage down there but nope lol

[olive nest]

Honestly missed opportunity

Imagine the team jumping in for a hidden phase

[weak rain]

gally was boring, hope next raid is a banger

[bronze tiger]

you guys called it a Gally Hole?

[minor gust]

It's what the boys have been working on

The Gally Ona hole

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-4395269406146079036

[hollow plover]

omfg

[reef glade]

https://tenor.com/view/fooly-cooly-flcl-mamimi-samejima-stare-camera-gif-20251391

[minor gust]

[empty kernel]

Whats the significance of tracking auto attack swing timer for arms?

[warm fog]

People thinking it will matter

[empty kernel]

Does it not?

My WA pack tracks it which kinda surprised me

im kinda new to arms

[minor gust]

its for charge weaving

[teal fossil]

just from old days

[olive nest]

comes in handy for mage boss in top

you can walk around the rotating orb between autos

[minor gust]

or you could just walk through him and dodge that way and you AA still goes off

[stable fiber]

if you charge weave in retail in the big 2025 you gotta just go play cata instead

ngl

[minor gust]

I still charge weave every once in a blue moon but not really. Last time I actively charge weaved a lot was Broodtwister tho when I was playing fury

but at that point im not even really charging between autos just between globals

[real birch]

How are you guys playing House of Cards with BIS? Macro Bis to burst and then HoC after available again?

[sacred zodiac]

Hoc with Avatar bis whenever or synced with smth else

Need to check what apl dles

[night peak]

Sorry if this is a commonly asked question, but with Demolish, should I only be casting it at 10 stacks (with Warbreaker obviously), or is it fine if I cast it at 7-9 stacks if my warbreaker debuff is falling off.

[minor gust]

yes its worth to send demolish sub 10 stacks early if your WB debuff is about to fall off before you get 10 stacks

[night peak]

alright thanks

[slow saddle]

hmm it happened

i played with a decent ret once again

and i got shown that arms rly isnt that good dmg wise

😄

only a 15 but still dang, every aoe pull he fucks me in top, i need to play way sharper man

[grave mulch]

Man it sucks that dawn thread isnt good for me at all 😦

[slow saddle]

well then the other one is

duskweave

dawn is only bad if u have so much crit u want another stat

^_^

[viral locust]

Ret damage is all pad on smallies, start a petition to remove all worthless adds in m+ logs and details for true DPS 😁

[slow saddle]

U say that but his boss dmg was also on point

In a top

[viral locust]

Like who cares they did 25m dps to patrons and rats in motherlode

Yeah their single target damage is ok but rest of key is just pad and zero prior

[balmy kindle]

I mean we have to ramp colossal might bleh, who cares if the keys timed.

Also if you did more interrupts and CCs imo it's acceptable

If you really wanna top the charts there's always mm and dev but then you have other problems

[quaint otter]

Ret also does great st dont know what u on about

[latent moss]

i think it was more about in packs

no clue if something changed in tww but in df ur prio sucked

cause its a choice between aoe or st

divine storm vs templars

[quaint otter]

Same with arms

U press cleave instead of ms in packs

[latent moss]

u press borh

wdym

u just prio cleave

cleave ms op cleave ms op

[quaint otter]

Happens to be divine hammer and divine storm a better in aoe

[quaint otter]

Yeah but compare that to something that has actual prio like ench or sub 😁

[latent moss]

yeah but we arent talking about them

we are talking about ret

arms has more prio

[quaint otter]

Almost the same

5-10 diff

[latent moss]

if u get lucky with exhil u can chain a fuck ton of ms on prio and obliterate it

[quaint otter]

The famous no modifiers ms

[latent moss]

idk what arms you are playing if ur colossus ms hit for nothing

on top of that u stack colossal might giga fast

[quaint otter]

I know

Its just funny cuz i played a 17th flood on my ench with arms in party

He usually did like 70-100kk to big robot

While i pulled 150-170kk

[latent moss]

pugs tend to just spam cleave for overall

without thinking

[quaint otter]

Nop

He called for prio things

[latent moss]

i mean its also enh not ret

and it was arms ret comparison

not enh

[quaint otter]

Ret would do close

I bet

[latent moss]

ye if arms doesnt crit ever

[quaint otter]

[latent moss]

which can happen tbf

always happens when it shouldnt

[quaint otter]

Ret is overtuned piece of trash

Delete it.

[latent moss]

cant

most popular spec

[quaint otter]

[latent moss]

dad spec

[quaint otter]

I mean it wasnt even bad in m+

And got uped due to raid

[latent moss]

yeah cause blizz refuses to acknowledge m+ as a real gamemode

ik a lot of people who raid for gear so they can do m+

i might be wrong but i think m+ is a lot more popular

[quaint otter]

Btw need to play arms today

Havent touch it for month

[latent moss]

they could also just separate the tuning

[quaint otter]

Theyd better separate loot

Cant get shiny stuff cuz i dont raid

[latent moss]

ye and cant raid cause cba with it

hmm today im gonna do something

cant cause raid

fuck that

also fuck the cycle of warrior tuning

start strong due to buffs -> fall off cause everyone else gets buffed -> wait for .7 get buffed

[quaint otter]

And still be average

[steel sluice]

Nonono you forgot, get nerfed 2-3 times before Raid comes out

[quaint otter]

[lucid lotus]

Hi guys! First time playing melee on Bandit and need to ask how chips on boss works? I mean, you kill the add and how you loot the chip and how you deposite on boss?

[slow saddle]

Ret does good enough prio

Its not df ret

And st was buffed to be above us

[sacred zodiac]

First Person to walk into the circle of the dropped Chip picks it up and it hovers over your head

[olive topaz]

I don’t think it has great prio

[sacred zodiac]

Extra Action Button deposits it in the boss if you are within like 5yds of boss

[hexed snow]

Big suggestion is to have a keybind for the extra action button

[slow saddle]

True true

[olive topaz]

If you cast ES on your main target but are otherwise just fully AoE’ing realistically that ES is not doing much to your prio target

[lucid lotus]

So you get an extra button? And just press it near boss right?

[hexed snow]

Yes

[lucid lotus]

Thanks!

[shadow ibex]

Pretty much experience for almost decade now

[balmy kindle]

warrior in S tier surely

[hasty vault]

love the random ass crits you can get as arms lmao

[lunar remnant]

I’d resub in a heartbeat if this was true 😭 playing my ass off in every key just to stay relevant got exhausting

[balmy kindle]

I tried playing my deva to 670+ but it got tiring with how hard it is to stay alive

Meanwhile my war in 15-16s feels very comfy , obviously damage wise we can definitely be better though

[dim basalt]

Imagine if doing aoe as arms was as easy as boomkin

[balmy kindle]

Or mm , 3 globals and it's rambo time

[dim basalt]

Boomkin is more consistent tho

[dawn lynx]

arms is pretty ez to aoe right?
ss / avatar > c. smash > ravager > t. rorar > cleave / ms / op on cd with t.clap & devastation tossed in as needed

idk it always felt pretty fluid to me.

[dim basalt]

Theres decent amount of minmaxing as Arms

[dawn lynx]

but i guess it is a lot of shit bloat buttons

[dim basalt]

Plus your aoe can go down the drain if your tank is shit

[dawn lynx]

i was reading the guides a bit ago (just tried out arms in a random m0 and yeah it bends shit over) and they're saying arms is better ST now?

i don't buy that lol

[dim basalt]

wdym better ST now?

[dawn lynx]

wowhead or icyveins said the focus in raids is pure st even over cleave i thought it said

[dim basalt]

Thats correct

Theres not a single encounter where we dont go full ST

[dawn lynx]

i've been up a while tho so don't mind me on my bullshitting, i just logged into tww like three days ago lmao i do not know the raid yet

really enjoying prot tho & arms is always good stress relief imo

[dim basalt]

Raid has been up for a while now so its normal that we just go full ST because adds dont live long enough anymore

[dawn lynx]

ya its kinda weird they're already selling dinars and this is only the second raid in tww so far right

[dim basalt]

Some time ago we could have used aoe talents for Stix and Bandit

Nah not really, dinars are different than usual

[balmy kindle]

There's a ton of shenanigans you can do to squeeze dmg with collateral

[dim basalt]

Its nothing but a bad luck protection now

Before you could buy mythic gear without doing the bosses

[dawn lynx]

speaking of bad luck i need to xmog my Fyr'alanth lol

i got pretty lucky on fyr forreal, got it on arms & ret in prolly 4 weeks
voker lego tho jeez that was a right *bitch

[slow saddle]

Dinars are good system

Also armses full st still have sweep and bladestorm😅

[latent moss]

not really they came to help with guilds struggling and to let people on reclears get bis more easily

[gleaming cosmos]

Do people sim for AoE when doing their M+ builds?

Totally basing this off average stats but my stats from a ST sim don't really like as much Crit as the general Arms player in high keys

Nah statwise sorry

Just wondering if people are sending their stats for a st sim or aoe sim

for keys

This would all be colo builds

[latent moss]

for me colo was always crit/mastery

but just run what it tells you

you can run 5t/10t and a st sim

and if it differs think about what you need more

[thick kelp]

660ilvl moment

[latent moss]

ok mister 690

[thick kelp]

Havnt touched PVE since turbo boost came out

[latent moss]

die haste on arms die

[latent moss]

bazed

[dim basalt]

why tho

[latent moss]

die haste

[dim basalt]

[thick kelp]

fast = unfun

slow methodical mortal strike

[dim basalt]

new mastery

less haste = more damage

[slow saddle]

More haste more dmg

Everytime eb procs ms does 50% more dmg

No such thing as a naked ms anymore

Next 4p = mortal combo

🤣

[dim basalt]

Please no

[slow saddle]

Why?

Would mean pressin ms is always bis?

And hopefully push col above slayer

Which is still my wet dream

[tacit lodge]

New mastery: percent chance to turn slam button into mortal strike button

[balmy kindle]

Too fun to be true

[naive sage]

Breaking news arms is deleted and replaced by support spec

[worn sparrow]

Any good video guides that you would suggest? I am not doing well with written stuff.

[dim basalt]

Handing over big weapons to group members

And yell at them

[thick kelp]

Madox

[olive nest]

Can’t wait to see datamined arms spec from new ptr today

[weak rain]

bring back bfa mastery

[gaunt owl]

that's a questionable take

[dull siren]

cope

[rare kite]

that's literally current mastery without the damage amp. just deepwounds and would be entirely depended on tuning

[worn sparrow]

ty

[weak rain]

Mastery increases damag amp rn, back then it was increasing only DW damage.

[rare kite]

that is what i am saying

[fresh spire]

Hopefully will see something to do with 2.0 this week 🙏

With .7 coming

[teal fossil]

bfa mastery is better the worse you are as a player

JS

[tacit lodge]

What if I just want to hit 10m mortal strikes every ~5 seconds and over power sometimes

Blizzard implement this

[teal fossil]

yeah its called 11.2

[shadow ibex]

I don't think you understood bfa mast if you want it back

It was very bad and dumb

[weak rain]

It was at least something different

right now it's just fury mastery in disguise

[shadow ibex]

That's most masteries

Frost dk is just increase your frost damage

[weak rain]

True

[shadow ibex]

Obliterate doesn't even deal frost without a KM proc

So it does nothing unless you get a proc

[weak rain]

It doesn't mean that udk or fdk(or w/e) masteries are good

[shadow ibex]

Like 90% of mastery is just a dmg increase.

[weak rain]

I just think that arms mastery should be different from fury

[reef mauve]

It is. Fury you have to be enraged for. Lol

[weak rain]

and rng based like legion is bad too

[shadow ibex]

I think if anything most would want the bleed part of arms mastery gone so to avoid situations where the first attack isn't buffed