arms

[dim basalt]

How are you supposed to when its Cleave > MS > OP

[shadow ibex]

Instead of howling blast applying their disease to EVERYTHING

[inner wasp]

sometimes ms resets before cleave is off, after pressing op

doesn't it

[shadow ibex]

Or uh dk had outbreak and a button to apply disease to only 1 target

[teal fossil]

Not possible

[dim basalt]

No

[teal fossil]

If you cleave ms op

[inner wasp]

im delulu then

ok

[teal fossil]

Even if ms resets cleave is back up

[inner wasp]

so ur never getting up to 2 stacks of the buff before pressing cleave

[shadow ibex]

We don't care about MP at all

[dim basalt]

Pretty much, unless you wanna do a fat cleave with collateral

[shadow ibex]

Except for pressing OP

Ironically APL only checks for MP when checking to cast OP

[inner wasp]

do i tho

[smoky kayak]

people like to dig into the small stuff, regardless of whether it actually makes a practical difference or not

and there's not a whole lot else to talk about anymore at these days

ALL THOSE 11.1.7 CHANGES

[slow saddle]

Just delete juggernaut and put sweep off gcd

[spiral coral]

[teal fossil]

A lot of people think those minor optimizations make more difference than it actually does

[spiral coral]

Can’t fault them

[teal fossil]

Yeah they won’t improve their actual rotation

But worry about small shit

[fresh spire]

almost beat the .5 changes

Start

warrior: New warbreaker animation.

End

[slow saddle]

Changes twice wasnt it

[fresh spire]

yeh

[slow saddle]

So 2 posts

[fresh spire]

i still dont know why they removed the spikes

wtb glyph

[spiral coral]

13. Tclap (don’t worry about this small shit)

[slow saddle]

I use tc in st

[quasi torrent]

i think im one of the 3 people who like the twirl

[spiral coral]

[slow saddle]

I love clappin

[spiral coral]

I have them separated cause Rends still real to me damn it

[fresh spire]

doin an epic fart spin applying colossus smash to all that smell it

[slow saddle]

Looks betyer

Tonclap

[shadow ibex]

Can't even see it

In the aoe

Demolish should be war breaker old animation tbh

[quasi torrent]

i think demolish should just be removed

[shadow ibex]

I don't want to aim a frontal with so much tied to it

Playing frost dk and it's crazy how easy it is to breath

I'm just standing here while this thing does 25% of my dam

And relentless winter uncapped for another 25%

[stable fiber]

it matters to me

😦

[shadow ibex]

I used to think rage didn't matter cuz they are worried about people pressing dumb stuff and not having resources for good button but frost dk actually manages resources so idk

[sage badge]

FDK owns

[fresh spire]

Deswind owns

[shadow ibex]

It's nice having to care about a bar

Press pillar of frost without any runes or rp yea gg do 0 dmg

Press colossus smash with 0 rage who caaaaaares

More impressive to actually hit 0 rage tbh

[quasi torrent]

i remember other times

[inner wasp]

id play dk but im incapable of learning blood without a mentor

[shadow ibex]

Just press death strike after boss does his swing animation

It's like playing an action game

Only you don't parry you eat it

[teal fossil]

Press it once your DS weakaura is at a gazillion

[hollow plover]

i had fuckin 3.4mil dps on sprocket when it was at like 10% hp and someone knocks tank down, offtank explodes in group half the raid fuckin dies, me included, but they manage to kill sprocket

this couldve been a rank1 rank2 or rank3 parse

Fuck

me

man

[shadow ibex]

Sounds like a tww tier

[hollow plover]

no we are trialing 2 people, they are 5/8m and 0/8m respectively, both 671 ilvl

why? idk

but we are

[shadow ibex]

I gotta get my frost dk in a guild even it is like 660

[dim basalt]

5/8 is ok but 0/8m is lol

Surely they have some mythic experience tho

[shadow ibex]

0/8 to sprock is wild ngl

Here just do the most personal accountability fight of the tier where you can wipe the raid

[dim basalt]

ikr

On the other side thats a good way to test someone

[inner wasp]

me when i pull ahead of the tank to make sure my tclaps don't reapply to already bleeding targets

[waxen storm]

hi house of cards, macroed with ravager riht ?

[shadow ibex]

Me when I charge the correct mob but the tank decided to get threat on some other mob

Guess I'll get meleed

[inner wasp]

that's what the plate armor is for

[shadow ibex]

Avatar

[waxen storm]

ty

[inner wasp]

macro it into nothing then forget to press it

most effective use

that's what i do

[hollow plover]

wr300 in df

[shadow ibex]

I charge as soon as I get even a whif of the tank starting a pull

Idc if it kills me what am I gonna do not hit the ground running

This is America

[dim basalt]

I just ran out of rage in raid outside of exe AMA

[shadow ibex]

If only that were the goal inside of a colossus smash window

[dim basalt]

Found this a lot funnier than I should have

[umbral gyro]

He is there any WA that tells me when Boss is 35%~? Always forget to go into exe window 😆

[slow saddle]

Me when i get to use 6 slams in a row

[dim basalt]

In my case it was 5 MS resets without a single tactician

During opener with lust

[slow saddle]

😆

[dim basalt]

I should do gambling

[lean geode]

I was 4/8 two weeks ago and I just dropped a r17 sprocket last night bro trust

some people really are in raiding guild elo hell

[shadow ibex]

Spending that much rage and not getting a reset

[dim basalt]

Thats a very small minority tho

[lean geode]

Idk there are a few people from my old guild who could for sure raid at a wr300 level

(I'm not including myself in that btw)

[dim basalt]

Just raid @ Pescorus

[lean geode]

Just in wr2k guilds for the vibes or irl connections or don't care enough to find a new guild

[lean geode]

Imagine being EU

[dim basalt]

Yeah imagine being on the superior side

Does NA have a guild like Pescorus?

[warped ether]

I think if they reduced the raid size from 20 to 10 or 15 the amount of people that would be able to mythic raid would go up drastically

[shadow ibex]

Yea but fight design is compromised

[warped ether]

And then a lot of egos are popped aswell

[dim basalt]

Theyd have to remove raid buffs for sure

Which then leads to class stacking again

[lean geode]

idk, Notion is pretty high wr on 2 day schedule but not that high

[shadow ibex]

I do think we are due for a raid rework. I can't imagine how tough it is for 4/8M guilds right now

It's so much to be a CE guild. The roster. The cost of repairs and consumables

[dim basalt]

Not just 4/8M guilds

[shadow ibex]

It's just not sustainable

[dim basalt]

Any guild that doesnt get CE

[warped ether]

20 raid man teams are just designed to fail in this age

[dim basalt]

Theres just so many shitters that dont wanna raid in non-CE guilds

[warped ether]

People constantly swap

[shadow ibex]

I feel bad for those guilds still on sproc like

Man logging in each week

And it's not gonna be player skill is even the issue. It's gonna be roster problems 99% of the time

[dim basalt]

In S1 we got 7/8M and like half the people didnt wanna join us because we didnt have CE despite them being 4/8 and having killed the bosses once or twice

Like what

[lean geode]

It's kinda both tbh

[shadow ibex]

Of course but you can't even get to the one

[warped ether]

The game philosophy just feels outdated man

[lean geode]

I mean I guess it's a roster issue in that you can't bench or replace people who consistently fuck up in the same ways and don't care to learn or improve

[shadow ibex]

I just don't see how a guild that isn't getting ce stays afloat

[dim basalt]

Its tough for sure

[shadow ibex]

You will bleed members. Such a guild probably doesn't have a ton of gold coming in

So how do you even afford to raid

[dim basalt]

Especially during holidays

Which are coming up now

[shadow ibex]

Let's say you wanted to get CE. Without years of that pedigree, your bank won't be able to support it

Let alone the recruitment

[fresh spire]

most our gold comes from boes for the patch

[warped ether]

A ton of people only play for the first 2-3 months of a patch anyways

I‘d say even less

[lean geode]

Yeah my non-CE guild made a few mil off recipes/BOEs

[shadow ibex]

Ce is also a lot of time outside of raid as well. It's tribal weak aura knowledge

[warped ether]

Sorry I am dooming again

[shadow ibex]

That would evaporate from the hundreds of pulls on later bosses. Or it would in theory if gally was hard. But like an ansurek

Or brood

Would gobble banks alive

I'm curious what tiers look like in the future because I can't imagine the middling guild scene is robust and healthy

[dim basalt]

Our guild started raiding DF S1 and we got CE for the first time this season

Didnt think Id ever get CE again, I was just looking for a chill guild lol

[warped ether]

I think a lot of issues would be resolved if raidlockout was removed

[shadow ibex]

It's just so easy for guilds to die out in the middle of raids. But I think mid raid walls are a good thing

[dim basalt]

Dunno if bosses have to be walls

Id prefer to have a better linear progression

Stix => Sprocket and Rash => Ovinax were brutal

[shadow ibex]

Hopefully it would still ramp up

[dim basalt]

Former not as much as the latter but

[shadow ibex]

But yea they just messed up bad

Even the best mid raid wall was a bad wall. Painsmih was followed by guardian of the first one

Which was an emberassingly easy encounter

[slow saddle]

Painsmith post nerf

Was fun

[shadow ibex]

I was doing sanctum for transmog and i loved that raid layout. I think its the best raid ever in that lense. I love a middle of the raid boss that separates teams

Problem was after the wall was easy and annoying bosses. You were rewarded for overcoming the wall with absolute shit encounters like KT and fatescribe

[slow saddle]

Tbh

Kt was decenly hard for my guild

😅

We just coulndt get the dmg balance perfected

Apart from that shitty fight

And easy

[shadow ibex]

It was just a shitty fight

Guardian was way too easy

And fatescribe was shitty

[slow saddle]

Ye imagine gaurdian

If tuning had been on point

[shadow ibex]

And Sylv was shitty. So you beat the wall just to start prog on 4 annoying fights

[slow saddle]

Good boss 100%

I never got past phase 1 sylv. Guild dieded

[shadow ibex]

"Prog" in quotes for guardian because most probably took 1 night for it

[slow saddle]

True

[dim basalt]

DS had a good mid wall imo

[shadow ibex]

Dragon soul?

[dim basalt]

ye

[shadow ibex]

Who was it warmaster?

[slow saddle]

I think painsmith was good wall

[shadow ibex]

Or that purple dragon

My guild in ds got stuck on warmaster but I was very casual back then

[warped ether]

Idk man the shit I went trough for slg put such a sour taste in my mouth

That fight was mega dodo

[dim basalt]

ye

[slow saddle]

Yup

[dim basalt]

The dragon took like 20 pulls back then iirc

[slow saddle]

Sl had better raids post

[dim basalt]

And warmaster was around 50 or so

Prob way less in classic now

[shadow ibex]

sludge or stone legion? slg wasn't the wall sludge was

sludge was a great wall imo. maybe best wall ever cuz the fights after were actually hard vs painsmith into guardian

[sick leaf]

Is there really no further class tuning in 11.1.7?

[shadow ibex]

if you mean stone legion then yea that might be one of worst fights theyve made

wipe 300 times in p1, get to p2 and insta kill the fight

https://tenor.com/view/confused-white-persian-guardian-why-gif-10312546

why is this two target fight EASIER when im fighting both bosses??????????

[olive nest]

You will play shit design and you will like it!!

[dim basalt]

Two more bosses to improve

[shadow ibex]

i chickened out and sent fury again on gally

we dont milk cast so arms timers kinda cringe

and i forget to precast after 1 pull

[minor gust]

I swapped to holding ava and roar for first add set

[shadow ibex]

ill do that then

do you bis on pull

[tacit crystal]

i think so

[minor gust]

you mainly want to do it for ava roar lines up on 2 platform sets and both intermission spawns

[sharp wyvern]

yep

hoc on adds

how the fuck did you parse on badnit as arms tho

[shadow ibex]

dk alt fit kinda tough ngl

[minor gust]

I had many OAB 99s stolen from me

[shadow ibex]

def gotta have 15 jug going into exe

otherwise i wouldnt even think about ur parse

[sharp wyvern]

are you padding adds on arms ?

[minor gust]

ofc

[sharp wyvern]

welp my guild only gets 1 add set and melees dont touch the ones in p2

[dim basalt]

I was in R1 range but then misplayed at the end

[shadow ibex]

i thought they were removing add dmg from oab logs

or was that a vote thing?

[sharp wyvern]

vote thing

idk what the result was

[shadow ibex]

i guess we still got a few months anyway

i swear this tier has felt like 5 months

[rare kite]

has been like 4 months no? so pretty close

[shadow ibex]

raid opened in march i think

[rare kite]

oh i thought it was in february...

this raid really has felt long you right

[shadow ibex]

yea first week of march

idk why but its felt like double

[terse osprey]

Quick question is there 2 versions of Best in slots 2 hander mace?

Cuz on my warrior its showing intellect and stamina

is that a bug or somethin?

[shadow ibex]

read the on use

you swapped it to intellect

[terse osprey]

I see

Wow ok lol

thats weird

[shadow ibex]

its a weapon for 2h int users as well

[hollow plover]

i believe in you!!

[dim basalt]

Maybe next Tuesday

Kinda salty I threw away the R1 on bandit

[hollow plover]

how come there are so many chinese arms warrs getting the top ranks of bandit

very odd

[dim basalt]

Boosts ig

[shadow ibex]

are they cheesing add spawns

for more pad

[dim basalt]

Nah I dont think so

[hollow plover]

that makes the fight much more difficult too tho

if u do the continuous add spawn pylon early on

[shadow ibex]

i guess not really cheese since u gotta pick it

[dim basalt]

Theyd have much more dps if they did

[hexed snow]

What hurts the arms warrior more? Losing a 15 jugg stack bcz SD didnt proc? Or Demolish missing bcz mob died/moved 💔 🥀

[dim basalt]

15 jugg stacks right before execute phase

[gaunt owl]

its fake

i only smell skill issue

[hexed snow]

Bro...

That literally happened to me

Mugzee

Ive even got it on stream

[gaunt owl]

is boss dead ?

[hexed snow]

Ye was reclear

[gaunt owl]

stop looking at your shitty stack

[hexed snow]

This guy does not want 99 logs

[gaunt owl]

logs are fake numbers

[hexed snow]

They are as real as my gf

[gaunt owl]

if all the guild in the top 200 had public logs

you would be purple

[hexed snow]

Not true

[gaunt owl]

you public logging ?

what is your WR guild ?

i saw some private logs

and its nasty as fuck

people chasing the numbers getting carried

[hexed snow]

700 this szn

[gaunt owl]

you not even competing

[hexed snow]

I never said I was

[gaunt owl]

dont be sad

just kill boss

[hexed snow]

Im not

I have

[gaunt owl]

numbers parse are fuck as fuck

[hexed snow]

[gaunt owl]

killing boss the real game

[hexed snow]

Tbh going from a 4 gallywix log to a 50 did make me feel slightly better

And then i ruined my cauldron but

[broken arrow]

Why only kill boss, when you can kill boss gooder

[hexed snow]

it isssss what it ssssss

[gaunt owl]

kill boss gooder ok

see what you can do gooder is always gooder

but parsing is like flexing you going 300 km/h on the autobahn

like who gives a fuck you know

i can go fast on my shitbox

and crash it in the end

[dim basalt]

Bet I can go faster on your shitbox

[hexed snow]

I mean I prioritise two things before logs:

1. Mechanics
2. Killing boss

[gaunt owl]

probably

[hexed snow]

Logging is just for fun after 1 and 2 are checked

[gaunt owl]

exactly

and even then

[hexed snow]

Im not really aiming for all 99s, that was just memer. But its nice to try to improve every day

Or at least every pull

[gaunt owl]

reclear isnt that fun

[hexed snow]

bcz I love the game

And i love raiding

[gaunt owl]

improving is for yourself

numbers are still numbers

[hexed snow]

playing this game makes me happy

[gaunt owl]

and thats why i retired

game wasnt fun anymore

but we need people to understand logs

and not take it seriously

its not a great metric to their performance

[hexed snow]

my performance is based on my vod review with the GL and officers rly

everything else is just for myself and as said, enjoying the game differently. I love analysing WoW its truly unique in its form

[gaunt owl]

you can dig really deep with WoWlogs

it is funny if you like numbers

but the pure dps parse are just horseshit

[hexed snow]

i think i love adding more the 1+1 and asking why X player did Y ability

[gaunt owl]

and thats how logs should be used

its a really powerful tool

its always funny showing those pink parse with 99%

but it should always done with the team

[silent sun]

is hero track jastor worth for arms?

[hollow plover]

raidbots.com is your friend, it will answer your question based on your gear exactly!

[zealous pivot]

i think imma kill myself

and the other color killed me at like 5%

on sprocket

fml

[gaunt owl]

its not worth it

you can just uninstall the game and be happy

[zealous pivot]

I cant cause im already dead

😠

[gaunt owl]

the undead warrior !

[spiral coral]

Maaaan all this fdk talk has me like, not fucking with arms at all right now

Thanks guys

[shadow ibex]

if abom limb granted the dnd cleave effect

[grave mulch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-7-development-notes-update-titan-disc-belt-buffs-377237?utm_source=discord-webhook

[shadow ibex]

Idc if a belt is good tbh. Much less annoying losing the secondaries on a ring

Probably smartest thing they could've if these are just part of the game now

[nova marsh]

So

Disc belt is bis for s3 ye?

(Probably

[inner wasp]

any1 got the ravager/bladestorm switch macro

w/ ravager on cursor

[random ibex]

#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [known:227847] Bladestorm
/cast [known:228920,@cursor] Ravager

[inner wasp]

🩷

is there a way to make 7-8-9-10 more stupid

dont u just press execute -> execute -> op -> ms

[rare kite]

you do not

lets say you pressed execute then you got an opportunity proc then you OP and then you execute again after, and then you ms. now if that ms procs opportunity then you OP if not you exe etc

[dire hinge]

If you want it very stupid you can untalent Opportunist for a very small DPS loss and smooth your brain out

Makes your pre-execute rotation very simple too

[shadow ibex]

technically you could have sequence where u would exe op exe op MS depending on procs but its very minor

most important thing to do good dmg in execute is going in to the phase with max stacks really

min/maxing ways to do that is gonna be a lot more increase than tryin to figure out when to fit in opportunist proc

[inner wasp]

i do my best

ok so

i just press execute until MS comes up, cuz by then ill always have 2 EP

and i only press OP when opportunist proc?

so its possible that i just press exe 3 times into MS if no op proc

[shadow ibex]

yea thats possible

but 3 exe casts very unlikely

[inner wasp]

it happened a few times in that mugzee fight

[rare kite]

🐱

[inner wasp]

ur underestimating my luck

[rare kite]

bruh your edit ruined my emote

[shadow ibex]

if the third exe procd opp

you'd send that over the MS

[shadow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382364354202304523/1091454793588932648/ezgif-3-af1195d740_11.gif

[inner wasp]

archi says otherwise 😭

who do i trust

[shadow ibex]

im p sure apl sends the proc

but its minor

[inner wasp]

why only w/ op proc anyways
just for the raw damage?

[rare kite]

i just follow that wowhead prio

[shadow ibex]

i mean i cant even check what sim does if it comes up in fight cuz chances of not getting opp proc is p low

[shadow ibex]

here it priod opp proc over x2 EP to answer ur original question i think

pushed MS back a gcd

[inner wasp]

it still gets 2 EP before ms tho

[shadow ibex]

it always will

[spiral coral]

Love the severity of stuff going on in the world that my family is wigging out about and I’m just like gamin’

[shadow ibex]

is only condition for execute phase MS

[inner wasp]

oh wtf opportunist proc OP is prio'd over ms in regular rotation too

[shadow ibex]

opp proc will hit harder than ur MS as slayer

[inner wasp]

wtf

[shadow ibex]

slayer has x2 OP buffs

• tier

p sure OP has as much crit amp as mortal strike as well

if not more

[inner wasp]

am i always holding avatar for colossus smash

or holding each one for eachother, depending on which has a few sec left

[plush glen]

When do we start DR on crit

[inner wasp]

am i supposed to avoid pressing BS if i have ~6 sec left before jug drops off and i have no SD proc to refresh it

so that if i do proc SD i can press it instead of spinning

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-duck-gif-13236181837901593958

the apl doesnt but

enjoy

with the knowledge that jugg stacks are most important thing

[nova marsh]

If ur jugg stacks fall off u alt f4

[inner wasp]

they always fall off :(

[nova marsh]

So you always alt f4

Until u god run

[inner wasp]

is this why im parsing 47

[dire hinge]

it's not helping

[inner wasp]

i like this excuse

[nova marsh]

Yes

Really just a skill issue

[dire hinge]

unironically, i think most people would perform beter if they didn't talent into opportunist.

playing it poorly is worse than just not playing it

[inner wasp]

i mean i got the rotation down flawless now

im goated

i just have a 4/8 hero wep and an inactive tank trinket

so im strugglin

[shadow ibex]

opportunist feels good pre execute

exe its like what in the fuck

[inner wasp]

whats wrong w it in exe

i press op when its shiny i like pressing shiny buttons

[dire hinge]

i moved off of enhance shaman because the mid-gcd priority override procs were annoying and im back in the building again

[shadow ibex]

just min/max prio stuff imo

and it feels counter intuitive to be capping rage

really tho just exe x3 is fine enough

[inner wasp]

its not like im using brain power to react to the procs

its ez

[balmy kindle]

Opp felt better in S1 when mortal strike was dog

[nova marsh]

But now ms fucks

[shadow ibex]

i think near end of s1 ff simmed higher

[fringe gorge]

If I'm strictly only doing m+ should i spend my dinars on jastor diamond/house of cards?

[untold trench]

I would go to raider.io and check what people are doing and for what keys these last days. You can also use warcraftlogs.

It is the best way for you to gather information for your choice beyond what can be found in #dps-faq

[inner wasp]

my shower routine has too many god damn steps now i feel like the world's prettiest warrior

why is my skin the way it is

am i supposed to send execute on dying adds in bosses? like the 2 big adds on gallywix phase

i want juggy stacks but sending SD like that is prob detrimental

to potential uptime

[naive sage]

No stink = no dps

[inner wasp]

so like

why dont we run fatality anymore

if we're playing slayer

and why do we run unhinged if they nerfed the MS casts to not stay buffed

oh they changed fatality? it sux?

[boreal quartz]

It just doesnt do dam, especially without TOM

And tom is shit atm

[inner wasp]

why is tom shit atm

not spending rage?

[empty sluice]

Getting “reward” after cs window sucks

[inner wasp]

i never liked playing it anyways

[inner wasp]

how do i enjoy if my options are hold bladestorm or drop jug :(

[atomic mountain]

How good is the new belt?

[mortal ivy]

how does the damage reduction work from ignore pain? If i take 1 big hit of 5mill damage in 1 hit, does the 50% DR apply to that whole hit? or is it just 50% DR for the 700k absorb portion and then take the full remaining amount?

[magic canopy]

it would attempt to absorb 2.5m but only absorb 700k so you would still take 4.3m damage

[mortal ivy]

thanks, figured it'd be too OP if it applied to the whole hit but wanted to check haha

[rare kite]

Better than any other belt

[naive sage]

Dead talent

[mortal ivy]

elemzje ran it in his 21 DFC so was curious how it works 🤷‍♂️

[gleaming cosmos]

In AoE during SS is overpower or MS prio?

Icy veins and WoWhead guides contradict each other kinda.

Assuming cleave on CD

[thick kelp]

ms

[wooden lava]

how do u guys feel about arms on mythic gally?

[dim basalt]

Always MS unrelated to SS

[sacred zodiac]

Play whatever you want

Its a living fight so fury will just be better most of the time

[wooden lava]

I think the ilvl increase + stacking buff has made it way easier to live

I never got to play it during prog, but I wonder if it could've been good during prog

[sacred zodiac]

Nah you wanted to blow up the p1 adds and then the boss dies 2 minutes before enrage so execute damage is whatever

[wooden lava]

You get a really long execute phase with a potential to have like 95% uptime

ah makes sense

the adds die so fast now, i forgot they were ever an issue

[sacred zodiac]

They never were, really

Just fury does better add dam while having more ehp and emergency livelordx Tools so u were griefing playing arms on prog on a fight balanced this badly

[wooden lava]

fair point

what makes u say the fight was balanced bad, like too easy?

[sacred zodiac]

P1 was a good dance and tuned well but then p2 was just 6 minutes of Deal with 1 mechanic every 30 seconds on repeat

Good guilds would prog p1 for 60 pulls and then kill the boss on the first or 2nd p2 pull

[slow saddle]

For the love of god

i hate juggernaut

got 10 stacks at 36% drops off

cd procs instantly after

and u just fackin facked

ive played it bad some times and still get good stacks

i play it super delayed get fucked anyways

my god

[wooden lava]

true, i guess they're never gonna make another boss like that

i think they're preparing a real cok and bol torture for the next tier

a bit of tindral, a bit of stix, a bit of ansurek

[dim basalt]

Stix is not a cook

Horrible, boring and yet an easy fight

[slender maple]

What stats should i craft on wep if i wanna play both fury and arms ?

[fresh spire]

Haste mastery imo

[slender maple]

😍

[hollow plover]

mastery is so fuckin good for arms, people are sleeping on it, blindly going for crit

sims tell us how good it is

its insanely useful

[icy mulch]

Well, to a point. You need crit to empower most things, and you need haste to reduce cool downs.

Funny enough vers and haste seem to be where my Sims are leading.

[hollow plover]

well of course

it's just that a lot of people think mastery sucks

[thick kelp]

DR ing into crit and mastery does this + haste is just the best stat for arms by a longshot (blame am)

[hollow plover]

AM is cool tho

for arms

just sucks for fury

dont @ me

[thick kelp]

am sucks so much dick for arms

[hollow plover]

nah i disagree

Or rather

it could be improved upon

but arms being part of arms is good imho

err i mean

AM being part of arms

[icy mulch]

Oh, yeah, all stats are good for us. For the most part.

[slow saddle]

i meaaan

problem with am is misallignment with Demo

so in slayer i couldnt rly care

[dim basalt]

Who doesnt love having weaker cds

[slow saddle]

Btw whats up with SD procs suddenly making my CS take longer to get of cd

[thick kelp]

bug when you consume the 2nd stack of SD

[icy mulch]

Oof

[hollow plover]

would you rather have less cs uptime with bigger dam inside the window?

i dont

bladestorm i somewhat agree with

and ravager

but not cs

[dim basalt]

If that means being stronger with cds, yes

Because then its also way easier to plan out

[slow saddle]

but i want CS resets

from tactician

😄

so i mean

[icy mulch]

Cataclysm days. Good times.

[thick kelp]

Bigger dam every 45 > smaller dam every 21s

[slow saddle]

ok

[hollow plover]

i respect that

i dont agree, but it really do respect that thought

[slow saddle]

i mean it is a fact that 45 seconds

is a pretty good spot in raid

to have something to dunk with

[thick kelp]

Also most people when they want AM removed also probably would want some sort of CS reset method ex. SD resets cooldown of CS

[latent moss]

fuck am on arms

i agree

[thick kelp]

gregory house

[hollow plover]

tbh i mainly like short cs because of iftk

[slow saddle]

i mean in M+

[slow saddle]

its super cursed

[hollow plover]

if iftk is reworked or gone then cs can go to 45 with resets

but current iftk iteration makes me like am

[slow saddle]

true iftk rocks

[hexed snow]

Need the Goon tag... And no not the weird one... The Gallagio Goon

[latent moss]

what walhe said

more damage every 45 > less damage every 21

[slow saddle]

well only issue would be if

that meant

Bladestorm + wb everytime

would just suck in raid

tbh though i want bladestorm gone in gen 😄

[hollow plover]

i dont care as much about cs being big, i care more about cs giving me haste cuz it makes gameplay smoother

[icy mulch]

In my opinion, Execute needs to be tuned so SD is just consumed ASAP. It loses it's luster when you have to sit on it.

[thick kelp]

what if BS did damage

:ooo

[latent moss]

sudden death casts warbreaker

[slow saddle]

facts

[latent moss]

its like df s3 tierset but better

[slow saddle]

i want s3 though

[dim basalt]

youre crazy

[thick kelp]

Should be tuned yes, will it? probably not

[slow saddle]

wb is to good

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-jeremy-renner-clint-barton-hawkeye-gif-17148870

[slow saddle]

well they can fix it 1 other way btw

hear me out

just flat out Buff collosus

[icy mulch]

sadly true.

[slow saddle]

that way we dont have to tune slayer shit

[latent moss]

arms just needs more thinking

it devolved into fury 2.0

send cds on cd

[slow saddle]

exept sd

exept bladestorm

coz fuck me if i bladestorm and loose jug stacks

[icy mulch]

except CS

[slow saddle]

what if passive bleeds of collosus

just made it the best ST spec

that way i would not have to care about juggernaut

or bladestorm

one can only dream

[latent moss]

9.2 arms with battlelord would be peak

pile on + blord

[slow saddle]

i just wanna play collosus

and yes i know i COULD

but like slayer is a lot stronger

[hollow plover]

its completely valid to not want to be 300k dps behind

[icy mulch]

As I mentioned before, Arms needs a rework.
#arms message
#arms message

[hollow plover]

in raid

[latent moss]

slayer is just

bad

[slow saddle]

yeah collosus raid

[latent moss]

design wise

[slow saddle]

actually works

i played some hc raid with it

its quite enjoyable

[inner wasp]

the solution

[latent moss]

arms does damage cause its overtuned as fuck

[inner wasp]

is to make jugg stack to 99 again

[dim basalt]

That does not fix shit

[hollow plover]

^

[latent moss]

how does cleave which is 5t soft capped

do so much damage

(its overtuned)

[slow saddle]

no ?

its called

Multipliers

brother

which is another concern of arms

[latent moss]

and u have 90000 multipliers perma

[inner wasp]

but i want it

[slow saddle]

wdym ?

[icy mulch]

Get out of here Ret Paladin.

[thick kelp]

+10% cleave damage everytime arms is mentioned in patch notes

[slow saddle]

we do not ?

[dim basalt]

Jugg needs to get removed entirely tho

[slow saddle]

like if u say arms is overtuned u deffo cant play wow

[latent moss]

true and real

[slow saddle]

not in raid nor in M+ is arms particularly good

[inner wasp]

i want legion arms where i slowly climb to the top of the dps charts and obliterate ppl by the end of it

[slow saddle]

its not bad

[latent moss]

thats fury

[slow saddle]

we had BF arms

it was like that

[latent moss]

its not overtuned in that sense

[thick kelp]

Execute video has done permanent damage to the arms community

[inner wasp]

i want fury to not be sad in m+ before i go back to it

[slow saddle]

Cleave does what its supposed to

[hollow plover]

merciless bonegrinder, warbreaker, deep wounds and ava give dummy modifiers to cleave yes @slow saddle but the only reason that this makes cleave hit this hard is cuz of its base tuning

[thick kelp]

even tho its a fury warrior in the video

[latent moss]

^

the only reason people arent crying everywhere is cause blizzard buffs cleave by 20% every patch

[thick kelp]

Forgot the worst offender of them all, collat damage

[inner wasp]

my memory is small but that just means i want that for both specs

[slow saddle]

i mean, remove a COL

[inner wasp]

make execute good again

[slow saddle]

i mean if u remove col

its better gameplay

[icy mulch]

They don't realize that there are a bunch of ppl dead in that video already.

[latent moss]

worst offender of them all is colossus

[thick kelp]

Execute abit too good rn for arms, to the point our entire rotation is around minmaxing it

[hollow plover]

collat is for 1 cleave, not 1000000 cleaves within cd window

[latent moss]

one against many and that other one

[thick kelp]

They dont even realize its not a kill pull

[inner wasp]

yes i WANT to be bottom dps on fights without execute phases

i want MORE execute and im NOT joking

[icy mulch]

true

[slow saddle]

but what button do u WANT to do more Dmg as arms?

[latent moss]

i fw that

but make it fuck

[slow saddle]

it legit gave us 1 aoe button

1 st button

[latent moss]

why is assa better

[slow saddle]

it cleared up the muddy water

[dim basalt]

So exactly whats the case rn?

[thick kelp]

i fw it too but not this cringe Jugg shit where its complete rng fiesta

[inner wasp]

yes but i want to be top dps at the end of execute phase to compensate

not just like. ok

passable

[thick kelp]

well you already are

[latent moss]

blizz should do what krisp and archi proposed

[thick kelp]

xdd

[worthy mortar]

does fury sim higher on ST atm?

[slow saddle]

yes

[thick kelp]

yes

[slow saddle]

or equal

dependin on gear

[hollow plover]

HE WANTS US TO RECREATE THE VIDEO GUYS

[dim basalt]

Yeah thats exactly the case rn?

[slow saddle]

whole issue is arms needs to do better ST than fury

[worthy mortar]

wtf i tought arms is ST

[dim basalt]

We pump 4M+ in execute

[icy mulch]

It's decently close, but Fury is ahead.

[slow saddle]

exept if u play with hunters

[hollow plover]

he wants it more emphasized

ig

[slow saddle]

sprocket logs i rest my case

[inner wasp]

i like execute

[dim basalt]

P sure hunters do less than us in exe

[slow saddle]

well

[dim basalt]

fire mage can get close tho

[slow saddle]

4.2m overall dmg on a sprocket kill

from a hunter

sooo

[latent moss]

@thick kelp does arms beat assa in like 2 min long exe

[slow saddle]

they did more than we do in exe part?

[dim basalt]

That has nothing to do with exe phase

[slow saddle]

ofc not but my point is then we need to do even MORE execute phase

[thick kelp]

yeah

1cd vs 2 cd

[latent moss]

obv assa damage is much more condensed so its not fair to say 30s or w/e

[thick kelp]

:xdd

[latent moss]

:xdd

[hollow plover]

does assa rogue rotation change in exe?

[thick kelp]

Assa prolly smokes tho

if PI

[latent moss]

100%

[thick kelp]

No, they just do alot more damage passively

thru their poisons and bleeds

when boss is below 35%

[hollow plover]

thats dumb asl

[latent moss]

bleeds do like 340965734% more damage

most boring form of execute imo

[slow saddle]

arms is king

of loosing my 15 juggerstacks when boss hits 36%

[hollow plover]

this happened to me like 5 times yday

[inner wasp]

i think passive executes should be culled from the game like +range on melee was

tbh

[slow saddle]

3 times today, im playing like a god then nothing

[slow saddle]

i kindda agree

but its also a way of tuning specs

to have slightly different dmg profiles

[dim basalt]

A bad one

[inner wasp]

execute should be a rotational lifestyle u tilt into not a thing everyone gets to have for 1 talent point

[slow saddle]

i mean as dk

they could fix it easliy just make the 35% execute button

actually worth pushing

😄

[dim basalt]

If everyone has some kind of execute then nobody does

[latent moss]

pwar vs fury execute phase

i think pwar wins

pwar execute is diabolical

[slow saddle]

furys execute phase isnt supposed to be great

[thick kelp]

comes close if prot gets to just free hit boss

and not active tank

[inner wasp]

and this is DUMB

[latent moss]

surely thane beats no

[boreal quartz]

Remember jailer

[latent moss]

cause 20% more execute damage or w/e

[boreal quartz]

Necro prot execute

[thick kelp]

the greatest execute video is fury execute phase

[latent moss]

9.2 pwar

was CINEMA

[boreal quartz]

Actually did more than any spec

In exe

[thick kelp]

I think colo smokes

[slow saddle]

no

[latent moss]

thane more rage gen no

[slow saddle]

Fury has never been about execute

[inner wasp]

"attempt to finish off the target"
does less dmg than rotational buttons

dumb

[latent moss]

random log p2 mugzee

[slow saddle]

they should just remove execute from fury

[thick kelp]

@ornate eagle fact check which is better, thane or colossus protwar for execute damage

[thick kelp]

HAHAHA

[latent moss]

HAHAHAHA

bro what is this spec

[inner wasp]

wtf

oh thane

still 😭

[hollow plover]

thane

xdd

[slow saddle]

more rage ?

[quaint otter]

Nerf side arm

[latent moss]

ye colo isnt as funny u have to press shield slam

(thane ss does no damage)

[slow saddle]

:d

[latent moss]

@thick kelp bro

3.2mil almost

[slow saddle]

Anyways i did not know ret were that much better than i thought in ST dmg

[latent moss]

14 mil execute

[hollow plover]

ret is dummy strong in ST after hotfixes

[latent moss]

most popular melee

[dim basalt]

Happens when they get buffed a dozen times

[latent moss]

has to be good in everything

otherwise 35% of the player base complains

[slow saddle]

i mean

i did consider rerollin ret

for a tier

[quaint otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1355255285534429285/ret1.gif

[slow saddle]

but id prob never come back, coz suddenly u are a 1st rate citizen

raid buff check

great m+ check

raid performance always decent

[latent moss]

brainrot gamelpay

[slow saddle]

check

[latent moss]

cba with ret gameplay

[slow saddle]

^_^

[dim basalt]

You get benched fairly quickly as ret

[slow saddle]

same which is why i havent

[slow saddle]

i mean, my guilds shit, so

[latent moss]

if only there were actual people playing the spec

[slow saddle]

i wouldnt be

but ye, problem with rets performance is almost always playerbase

[hollow plover]

90% of rets are brainlets fr

[slow saddle]

i would disagree

but its true

like once in a while u meet a good one

and u are like. ohh yeah its actually a great spec

[hollow plover]

No even then

they dont learn wow properly

its so forgiving that you end up not learning the game properly

ret pala conversion to other specs is insanely low

ret players on alts are the worst players by far

closely followed by mage players on alts

[slow saddle]

i would say

old school Beastmaster hunters

on melee alts

[hollow plover]

yea

but istg its palas now

[slow saddle]

ye

pala is a ok alt to have though

takes no time to learn

but as u said, u get used to having range as melee

[hollow plover]

as a warrior, i disagree

[slow saddle]

survive anything

bubble and not die

[hollow plover]

pala is a good alt to have to tank on

or heal on

not dps on

[slow saddle]

ye u get used to the good shit

😄

then back into 3rd rate citizenship

[hollow plover]

traitor

[slow saddle]

tbh though i did have a ret alt in df

i almost only tanked though

just way easier, and tanking in pala is so much more chill than warrior in pugs

[hollow plover]

yea pala tanking, if you know how to survive, is the best class to carry groups on

imho

i had a pala tank alt in season 1 and i single handedly carried so many idiots to their vaults

[inner wasp]

idk how to survive as pala

👍

[hollow plover]

tbf protpal is frail asf

[inner wasp]

• i dont like horses

thats half the reason i havent learned

[worthy mortar]

so technically if fury is a bit better on st than arms does it make better on mugzee for example?

[hollow plover]

mugzee is not a pure st fight

and you can always check the statistics

[worthy mortar]

but is that because of SS or Execute phase?

[hollow plover]

Not execute phase no, it's because of sweeping strikes and us being able to artifically prolong juggernaut - which our entire gameplay revolves around anyway

arms is all about juggernaut

now imagine u have targets which u can execute standing next to mugzee

stonks

📈

[worthy mortar]

jesus that makes all complicated, but i understand now lol

[hollow plover]

complicated?

[worthy mortar]

i mean playing around 1 smelly talent..

[hollow plover]

thats literally what arms is rn

like yea rotationally we also play around opportunist

[worthy mortar]

ffs.. i wanted to do mig MS and even bigger Executes without tracking anything xd

[hollow plover]

and you can iftk some targets to get 20% haste instead of 10% haste on mugzee

but the most relevant thing is extending juggernaut

thats most of your damage

[hollow plover]

[worthy mortar]

ty for explanation 🙂 what is iftk sry?

[worthy mortar]

aah okok

[hollow plover]

when you colossus smash low hp targets with sweeping strike u get the big bonus

[worthy mortar]

so i would idealy want to SS > CS on low add basicly

[thick kelp]

y

[worthy mortar]

got it, thats why prob i was doing shit dmg on him, didnt do anything of that

i was just smashing boss like mongo

eating Sudden procs xD

[hollow plover]

you can also sweeping strike the adds on mythic mugzee that still ahve their shields up

for a lil bit of bonus dam

[inner wasp]

how long are u holding to line up cs with an add dying tho

thats kinda specific

[hollow plover]

it really depends on the fight

mugzee add dies within 2 seconds

ykwim

[inner wasp]

that makes it harder if anything

u have to be ready for that half a sec

where theyre below 20%

[hollow plover]

below 35%

[inner wasp]

thats what i said

[hollow plover]

yes

my bad

no but it's actually okay tho

[thick kelp]

the Cs optimization is really minor btw

[hollow plover]

^

[thick kelp]

U can parse 99 without doing it

[hollow plover]

you can also sweep cs during mugzee frontal to have 2 dmg amps on the add

that reminds me

are mug adds still part of the log?

[worthy mortar]

i see, is oportunist alway prio even in execute phase?

[hollow plover]

MS with 2x EP > opportunist > exe > overpower

[worthy mortar]

ah ok so i should buff MS even if opportunist proc then use it before sending MS

[ornate eagle]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh

instinct says thane

[thick kelp]

Thanks

i trust your instinct

[ornate eagle]

cuz they have +25% execute dmg on tree and more rage gen

[hollow plover]

i love pressing execute

tanking gallywix made me happy because i was able to press execute

a bit more liberally

[thick kelp]

tank with a bdk and u never have to be active tank

[worthy mortar]

for me its the best spell in the game to press, so nice

[hollow plover]

ah my offtank was protpala

they just told me, yo ur tanking gallywix

[worthy mortar]

thats why i have playign juggernaut around it,i just want to execute till target dead

[hollow plover]

can we please make massacre baseline btw

this talent is outdated as fuck

[thick kelp]

can we remove massacre

and make execute good again

[hollow plover]

by remove do u mean u want 20% execute only but big exes?

theres some merit to that

[worthy mortar]

we still use double embelishemnt after Best in Slot myth? crit/vers ones

[thick kelp]

yes

[worthy mortar]

okey, and in for the kill talent can i use SS>CS on mugzee when add is low will i still get 20%?

or i need to send CS on add?

[hollow plover]

cs on mug

[worthy mortar]

so its important to have 35% add near with SS

got it

[hollow plover]

usually the highest output is dawnthread 2x yes

but

its more accurate to sim for ur gear

[worthy mortar]

i just did they both sim same legit lol

dusk and dawn

[dim basalt]

Almost all embellishments sim the same

Theyre whatever

[slow saddle]

Emb needs to be buffed

Or removed

Ideally just increase with ilvl🤣

[spring hollow]

do you guys use best in slots with house of cards? or should i use 2 passive trinkets when using best in slots?

[thick kelp]

hoc and bis yes

hoc with ava bis after that on cd

[hollow plover]

brother no fucking shot im doing a heroic pug on my 665 arms alt and i get a fuckin 98

on stix

how ass are arms warriors on stix

[dim basalt]

Pathetic

Not even 99 on heroic

[hollow plover]

yea my bad i will magically add 10 ilvls to my alt

then its a 99

[dim basalt]

yeah I hope so

[hollow plover]

🙂‍↕️

[teal fossil]

The devs made us pick in df beta

We all chose to have 35%

[slow saddle]

All are 35

[spring hollow]

i was just planning on macroing it all with CS and i assume one will be used first and on the next CS the other one, would that work?

[slow saddle]

Y

[teal fossil]

They nerfed mass to 25

And we crashed out over it

[dim basalt]

I wouldnt mind 20 on arms but theyd have to give a massive buff to exe

[teal fossil]

So instead they nerfed the button itself

[hollow plover]

that technically works but that might criminally desync ur stuff

[spring hollow]

how? i thought i had to always line them up with CS

[hollow plover]

you want hoc to line up with ava

[latent moss]

make jugg 5 stacks remove massacre

or remove jugg completely

rework slayer go full execute

[spring hollow]

oh ok, so pull -> hoc -> ava -> etc then when cs comes off cd BIS -> CS?

or just use BIS 20 sec later without cs?

[thick kelp]

both work

[hollow plover]

i hate jugg as much as the next person but making jugg a 20 second duration would already fix a lot of issues

[shadow ibex]

Only decay outside of combat

[hollow plover]

slayer m+

[shadow ibex]

Slow decay ofc

[slow saddle]

I mean it would reinforce horrid gameplay buy yes

[shadow ibex]

Or just 5 max stacks fuck this ramp bs

[slow saddle]

Buy easy fix at least y

[weak rain]

I feel like if colos was meta for raid it would be much more enjoyable

ssn 3 colo raid pls

[slow saddle]

Or make it 5 seconds

[hollow plover]

im just trying to make it easy for blizz

stuff they dont have to think about

[slow saddle]

I feel the same

[weak rain]

maybe make it stack infinitely, but duration until combat ends

fuck it

[thick kelp]

nop

[slow saddle]

Because in col u have execute phase

With rav and jugger stackin

[fresh spire]

Reducing duration >giving more duration.

Still stuck using dogshit weakauras to play the game for you instead of just having jug be a dominant powerhouse when 35% rolls around

[olive nest]

Surely we aren’t using the vers delv belt

[fresh spire]

7k vers sounds badass

Given I got legit 0 on gear