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#arms
copper stump
Ty
eager sigil
the link still works
fringe gorge
Sorry, just started playing arms but in the m+ build, is there any reason to press rend over tclap or can i just take rend off my bar and always tclap regardless of target count?
eager sigil
just click it
eager sigil
Sorry, just started playing arms but in the m+ build, is there any reason to pre...
rend does a bit more single target dam
other than that it doesnt matter
slim compass
hi all, can't see anything on the rotation during sweeping strikes, is it just over power x 1, MS? rinse repeat?
slim compass
big packs
naive sage
final dove
oh
ok
no
im not a pansy
you could be playing a spriest
or wore
worse
tanking... in raid
my advice be greatful with whatcha got it aint all sunshine and raindbows
unless your a UHDK
anyway
in m+ like
whats the deal. When do we prio cleave? do we press cleave is SS is up
tacit crystal
cleave ms op
hollow plover
whats the deal. When do we prio cleave? do we press cleave is SS is up
cleave > ms > op
why wouldnt u cleave with SS up
cleave autocasts slam
which gets swept
final dove
i just got out of tank prison
tacit crystal
me when i dont spend 2m looking at apl
final dove
so im a lil rusty
is there an x amount of targets where we dont press cleave over ms etc
final dove
and execute?
hollow plover
final dove
whats the deal with that
hollow plover
you press exe on boss fights
or when 1 target is left alive from a pack
mortal strike every 2x executioners precision
astral yarrow
are you talking colossus or slayer builds
hollow plover
it replaces slam
not quite
tacit crystal
where is slam
olive nest
In the spell book
astral yarrow
So first execute line requires juggernaut talented
the MS line has an "or" condition for no EP
next exe line has EP condition
so yes, it replaces slam
astral yarrow
as you run neither juggernaut or executioners precision in m+
olive nest
ChatGPT moment
astral yarrow
i quickly GPT'd cause AI is the answer for life
olive nest
halcyon breach
because it's execute
astral yarrow
cause execute is new slam
halcyon breach
even if you have no execute talents, you will never use slam over it in execute
hollow plover
as you run neither juggernaut or executioners precision in m+
you do run EP at times
tacit crystal
astral yarrow
cluegi
thick kelp
took 2 days of the no ep build and nobody played ep anymore
tacit crystal
took 2 days of the no ep build and nobody played ep anymore
where tom
olive nest
No ep is just simply more enjoyable in M+
hollow plover
I mean yea EP is worse in aoe
thick kelp
:bigsmile
astral yarrow
cause you have 0 rage to maintain it
or not maintain it, but rather actually play it
astral yarrow
i will maintain
astral yarrow
seek aid
thick kelp
maintain aid
astral yarrow
that is a very good idea as well
dim basalt
SCHNAPPI, DAS KLEINE KROKODIL
fresh spire
gio blending in
gleaming cosmos
So with no juggernaut and no exe precision I just basically don't execute unless no MS to use?
dim basalt
So with no juggernaut and no exe precision I just basically don't execute unless...
Then its just a replacement for Slam
gleaming cosmos
Fair, feels real weird but that seems to be a build going around in keys.
dim basalt
EP is playable in keys but you dont need that bit of ST damage
And jugg is too expensive (let alone the little value it has in keys)
<@&257983573498265600>
graceful fulcrum
How do I get this sky thing off my name? It shows in other subs too
hollow plover
How do I get this sky thing off my name? It shows in other subs too
why would u ever want that off ur name
are you not proud to be a warr?
and wdym by "subs" ?
dim basalt
How do I get this sky thing off my name? It shows in other subs too
The same way you apply it, theres a small x next to the dropdown arrow
graceful fulcrum
and wdym by "subs" ?
Other discord channels
hollow plover
Other discord channels
you must mean other discord servers
but yeah just follow what Stjpa said
dim basalt
Ackshually 🤓 ☝️
hollow plover
yes
boreal quartz
Goon Tag >
dim basalt
ayo I need that one
hollow plover
yea how do i get that one
dim basalt
Unluck
boreal quartz
I think u can Google there's gotta be some gooner server than has it
dim basalt
I think u can Google there's gotta be some gooner server than has it
But is it the same as being in a privileged goon squad
I dont think so
hollow plover
you should get my tag
that one is private too
boreal quartz
can i get a schnapp tag
Croc+schnappi Tag would be errect (hard)
boreal quartz
But is it the same as being in a privileged goon squad
Good squad classic cata guild even
tacit crystal
Croc+schnappi Tag would be errect (hard)
do i need to have a min amount of members
tacit crystal
that one is private too
i can send :3
tacit crystal
im going to have to call in the avengers
tacit crystal
dim basalt
Not again
dim basalt
Oh it doesnt seem like you need a min number of members for a tag
Just at least 3 server boosts
If Im understanding this article correctly
boreal quartz
do i need to have a min amount of members
Idk lmao
Im not an admin or anything there
tough tangle
If Im understanding this article correctly
Correct
hollow plover
cant u make funny tags tho
cuz some characters are really big
like this is one singular character: 𒐫
dim basalt
If they allow non-latin characters maybe
hollow plover
Rmt detected
hes talking server boost yo
hollow plover
If they allow non-latin characters maybe
should be all unicode
dim basalt
nono Spongie exposed me
sacred zodiac
hes talking server boost yo
You are complicit
hollow plover
You are complicit
yes
hollow plover
what if alt is warrior
hexed snow
arms is like playing Garen in league
It gets touched positively and its broken
It gets touched negatively and its trash
Its easy to learn and play
Its hard to master
Big fokken sword
Oh and Big execute
inner wasp
yea that's why i need a rend button somewhere
warped prism
mainly do keys. should i just sim 5T patchwerk in m+ COL build? or just screw it and do 1T 5min patch with colossus?
fresh spire
arms is like playing Garen in league
It gets touched positively and its broken
...
spintowin
digital sky
is there a spell reflect spreadsheet for undermines ?
dim basalt
is there a spell reflect spreadsheet for undermines ?
Its pinned in #protection
digital sky
@dim basalt ty
humble hollow
quick question, does the recast from Seismic Reverberation applies Rend? i.e., if I have it talented does TC spread Rend to 10 targets? no, right?
digital sky
why some warriors on mugzee mythic are in the immune soak group ?
quaint otter
arms is like playing Garen in league
It gets touched positively and its broken
...
hes goddamn right
i had a garen nick back in sl
dim basalt
why some warriors on mugzee mythic are in the immune soak group ?
Tanky enough to survive it
Dont really need defensives anywhere else on that fight
digital sky
you need to use parry + def stance + spell reflect ?
fresh spire
quick question, does the recast from Seismic Reverberation applies Rend? i.e., i...
there is some weird interaction with Sweeping strikes and Thunderclap applying additonal rends
dim basalt
you need to use parry + def stance + spell reflect ?
I dont think you need to use all of that but not like you lose anything from that
fresh spire
But its so inconsistent its hard to really control it
dim basalt
I believe with only 5 soakers its about 11M damage
digital sky
ok thanks
fresh spire
his bladestorm is bad ass tho
hexed snow
Old bladestorm was 10x better imo
hollow plover
quick question, does the recast from Seismic Reverberation applies Rend? i.e., i...
seismic reverb doesn't interact with thunderclap so im confused as to what makes you think it would cause 10 applications
shadow ibex
only fury thane specifically has interaction
humble hollow
seismic reverb doesn't interact with thunderclap so im confused as to what makes...
true, got confused because of fury, sorry
shadow ibex
its special flagged to get all WW talents for tclap
if you want more applications use sweeping
hollow plover
mountain thane's crashing thunder is what causes fury/prot tclap to interact with seismic
its a hero talent node for em
leaden meadow
if my wep is heroic should i just get any mythic wep from vault
regardless of stats
verbal inlet
is IP still grossly undertuned to use anymore? miss having it honestly :p
stable fiber
is IP still grossly undertuned to use anymore? miss having it honestly :p
we used IP because we had so much rage and it reset tactician so it was a dps increase to use
now it just uses rage but doesnt reset tactician, while we also generate less rage than we use to
slow saddle
Also its super undertuned
verbal inlet
im aware of its previous uses. from what i remember now though the damage prevented is just not enough to compete with fueled by violence
verbal inlet
Also its super undertuned
thats what i was asking. couldnt quite remember
shadow ibex
iirc one use is like 300-400k for me
with 11 mil health pool its not very useful
in theory you can stack it 3 times but its impossible to do that in any real scenario
verbal inlet
mines 732k. saw that the other day, was thinking thats not a bad number for 20 rage. idk, just thought id ask with my 2 cents :p
shadow ibex
Fueled will be more healing overall but if you are worried about a 1 shot ip is better
but dstance will do the same job
and if IP saved you from the 1 shot you probably made a mistake
dim basalt
regardless of stats
You only care about stats on rings and neck tbh
dim basalt
mines 732k. saw that the other day, was thinking thats not a bad number for 20 r...
Not a super bad number but the cd on IP is huge
Which makes it kinda unvaluable
A one time 700k is not gonna save you in a real scenario
verbal inlet
tiz true sadly.
dim basalt
Tbf if they made IP more usable we would be a lot tankier than we already are
verbal inlet
like i said, i just kinda missed a defensive that felt like it was doing something. neat to see a raw numarical value on something. more flavor flare i guess. nothing super important i know
shadow ibex
tbh blizz probably has no idea it cant be stacked like the tooltip suggests
thats p much the prot tooltip since they have no CD on IP
dim basalt
Make it as strong as prots IP 
verbal inlet
lol, maybe not THAT strong
shadow ibex
that would just be removing the CD so it can be used to the max but i doubt they would do that
just need to make the one use for arms be a real number
dim basalt
I mean if it gave the same amount of shield that would be enough
Regardless of cd
In raid thats almost a perma shield pre-execute
verbal inlet
a IP buff and SS off global are my wish list items
hollow plover
a IP buff and SS off global are my wish list items
any other wishlist items?
I like this idea:
Demolish: no cooldown, requires 5 stacks of colossal might to use
Three hit combo with the last hit doing splash aoe damage (can hit behind the player unlike current demolish), the first 2 hits interact with sweeping strikes, last hit doesnt. No self stun, it should function like rampage in the way that its a 3 hit combo
(obviously needs number tuning but it would make it significantly less shit and it would be a fun button to press and play around for both arms and prot
verbal inlet
any other wishlist items?
cleave hitting around us and not a cone like it is would be great.
hollow plover
cleave hitting around us and not a cone like it is would be great.
i think it'd be okay if whirlwind was viable
verbal inlet
agreed
hollow plover
its just that we're forced into the 180° cleave
maiden notch
can anyone tell me, why theres a 400k sim dps in these two?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/smrtXweLudXXvQ1ESQQjRT
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jMBEVEg7Pgx5opnBjdukXq
never mind me, somehow i ended up with best in slots on INT
shadow ibex
I like this idea:
Demolish: no cooldown, requires 5 stacks of colossal might to ...
make demo hit everything around me
hollow plover
never mind me, somehow i ended up with best in slots on INT
i heavily recommend using /use [combat] 16
that way u will never get the int swap effect
verbal inlet
and make it not cancle if it target moves out of range, Rampage completes all its hits even if you heroic leap away.
verbal inlet
fun police don't
modest mortar
and make it not cancle if it target moves out of range, Rampage completes all it...
If pallys get their range so should we through our pure rage
verbal inlet
they made pallys to damn good in the utility dept.
stun/fear, clense, BR, off heals, ranged mele. shields. yet inspite all of that, ❤️ my warrior more.
modest mortar
they made pallys to damn good in the utility dept.
Fr i renamed my toon to battleshout lol
eager magnet
hello fellow best spec ever 🙂 quick question, during execution phase do we still prioritize opportunist proc over everything (notably mortal strike with 2 stacks of executioner's precisions) or do we use overpower just in case of lack of rage?
dim basalt
hello fellow best spec ever 🙂 quick question, during execution phase do we stil...
opp has prio
wowhead says 2x ep > opp but the difference isnt huge afaik
shadow ibex
yea its pretty minor
parse is gonna come down to jugg into exe and crits, plenty of top logs do occasional exe x3 MS and munch opp procs
just dont starve yourself
dim basalt
ion even know what that buff does or where it comes from
Slayer tree
Buffs op damage and crit damage by 25% when tactician procs
hollow plover
ion even know what that buff does or where it comes from
swordish just knows as slayer if OP resets he clicks OP
olive nest
TREE
reef glade
swordish just knows as slayer if OP resets he clicks OP
Uhh most of the time ye 
prolly have been wired to 3 exe if I can tho so gg
hollow plover
swordish you could be so much better if you made your UI more functional for APL gaming
quaint otter
saj
hollow plover
Bro why is void elf's battle shout animation so dumb
LMAO
especially while walking
goofy as hell
shadow ibex
Bro why is void elf's battle shout animation so dumb
hate being VE 
xmog cost is probably best racial tho
thank god for atomic recal
dim basalt
VE is nice wdym
shadow ibex
tiny shoulders tiny weapon
dull siren
@sage badge when Colossus good on ST?
hollow plover
<@95652243235143680> when Colossus good on ST?
good one
hollow plover
https://tenor.com/view/feixiao-hsr-xianzhou-gif-2468940381251960323
can u be yellow name pls
magic canopy
but am not rogue
olive nest
Only rogue players have yellow name confirmed!
minor gust
echo marten
Indeed
magic canopy
dull karma
Hey guys, can anyone send me their WA for Slayer Execute proc with the coin sound and the OP tactician procs? I got a new PC and can't seem to find them? I was referred the WA's when I made a post in #1347646810457636974 but I can't find my post anymore
dull karma
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237307732705415228/123730776087...
You're the best and I am blind. Thanks!
zenith warren
so my guild is doing m+ 10s tourney, what talents would you play for 10s specifically?
this one?
shadow ibex
blademaster should be better if its only 10s the pulls should be massive
just mash cleave
ripe field
shadow ibex
can drop FB for 2/2 bb for more
gaunt glacier
Other than pacemaker, do any myth-track trinkets outperform a hero-track House of Cards?
tacit crystal
cockenstock might
rare kite
Other than pacemaker, do any myth-track trinkets outperform a hero-track House o...
eye of kezan on 5m or higher
gaunt glacier
kkty
rare kite
locknstalk depending on sim
for me it's a good bit above HoC. wait nvm this is arms. ignore locknstalk comment, eye still stands
lucid schooner
"May swap Fatal Blows & Executioner's Precision for 2x Bloodborne as preferred.", sry for asking but what are Fatal Blows
gaunt glacier
yeah im simming a mythic signet of the prior as being better than heroic cards but wanted to check others
predominantly for M+ use
rare kite
is slayer behind colossus in m+?
yes. but if you're not pushing then you play whatever you want
inner wasp
i wanna play colossus then ez
wicked onyx
How is arms performing. I’ve always been a fury warrior guy, but could make the switch
fresh spire
Both are fine, both do well in raid, can play what you enjoy really
stable robin
Why tear a man down
mortal crag
because a man tried to correct my gameplay as a tank on a fucking 9 floodgate
stable robin
Oh
mortal crag
when i just did a W route to time the key easily (we +2'd it, big surprise)
bro said he couldnt maintain demolish
or some dumb shit
bro played the key single target
minor gust
mortal crag
he had 2mil overall as a 656 when a 653 pala had a 3mil overall
i didnt even touch the deva evoker at 667 having 2.6 overall
hell i had a 1.4 overall as a prot pala at like 646 LMAO
MOST ETHICAL ARMS WARRIOR
fresh spire
minor gust
not the 3k io drop
mortal crag
i told him to look up Shamgish and Ragish and he replies with this
and then ignores me
fresh spire
edgy hemlock
dire hinge
let people be bad ¯_(ツ)_/¯
if they want constructive feedback they can post here, but there's no need to drag them either. I would suggest against any sort of public shaming for players within this discord.
Don't let the opinions of random players get to you. You know what you're doing and that's all that matters ❤️
untold pewter
I legit think some people should tape this to the ceiling above their beds so they can read it every day when they wake up
sage badge
Arms owns.
minor gust
echo marten
let people be bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Plus is a game . U can have a bad day and play like shit . We just want to chill have fun
dire hinge
Let people crash out, who knows what they’re going through, but don’t pass the crash out along, or reflect it back at them.
It was one key, with one stranger, youll never see them again.
spiral coral
Pirate Software energy
hazy flower
echo marten
Guys question matters the overall dps or the dps u did per sec ?
arctic iris
Those are the same thing.
arctic iris
Are you talking about burst vs sustained damage?
arctic iris
They said "DPS per sec"?
That's not really a thing. DPS is damage per second. DPS per second would be "damage per second per second". What does that even mean?
arctic iris
It sounds like whoever you were talking to was trying to refer to the differences between damage profiles, which can be important.
For instance, some specs might do a lot of pad AoE, but in M+, for instance, there's a lot of pulls with one very high health target, and a spec or rotation that focuses more damage onto that target will speed up the dungeon more even if it does less overall damage
For example, think of the Hopgoblins in Cinderbrew Meadery-- how often do you kill all of the little shitter mobs and they're still at like 40-50%?
echo marten
He was calling this dps per sec
arctic iris
That's just your DPS.
The number to the left of it is your damage done.
Think of it like driving-- if I drive at 60 mph for six hours, I've averaged 60 mph, but I've traveled 360 miles.
echo marten
:/ well he said that so I'm confused so I came here to help
Pugs are amazing sometimes I guess
arctic iris
Yeah, whoever you were talking to is at best doing a bad job of understanding and communicating a fairly simple concept, and at worst is talking out of their ass
echo marten
Well sry for wasting your time friend:/
arctic iris
np
echo marten
I'm so confused about him so I thought I'm losing it 😕
latent moss
plot it and take the derivative 🥀
fringe gorge
Can someone explain why the order of thunderous roar, avatar, and ravager change whether it's single target or aoe? i don't really get why it would
spiral coral
Are you talking about when you go into Details and switch it to the damage per second setting?
@echo marten
Because it’s the same, but tells you where you are to others per-second in damage
There’s damage overall, then there’s damage per second setting on details. Same shit.
echo marten
Are you talking about when you go into Details and switch it to the damage per s...
Well I'm not sure what he meant to say but now we solve it
:] ty for your time friend to response
spiral coral
Can someone explain why the order of thunderous roar, avatar, and ravager change...
I’m not seeing what you’re seeing
fringe gorge
spiral coral
Oh, i mean, just rav is held a slight bit because you’re just doing an extra step to set up aoe (sweeping strikes) but I’ll be honest in keys I send Rav whenever tf it’s up and there’s a big pack, it’s not something I’m really thinking about.
I’ll also send Rav early if the tank has agro, idk if I’m supposed to or it’s optimal but if it’s up, I’m sending it. Just like pretty much everything.
Other than holding demo for stacks
stable fiber
yo guys im benched for mythic gally prog
stable fiber
arent you their best player by a long shot
its not even remotely close
i cant raid thursday now because of a schedule shift
so im benched
yo i need to get into a HOF guild
anybody looking or?
minor gust
plenty always lookin
minor gust
fuck I was so close for rank 1 on Mythic gally
@stable fiber Firm believer in holding ava for first add set btw
stable fiber
yeah if i ever do that boss you 100% do
minor gust
yeah tried it tonight while our fury warrior was out
got rank 2 so def the play unless adds are insta blowing up before your bladestorm even finishes
spiral coral
so putting toys that block the entrance to the inn at dornagal to block it off is a thing?
my server are full of trolls lmao
stable fiber
so putting toys that block the entrance to the inn at dornagal to block it off i...
the drill thingy?
spiral coral
always breaking homebase with toys lmao
stable fiber
my guild wiped a ansurek pull because of one of those drills lmao
spiral coral
nah rn its the podium and another toy i cant tell what
bro my fps drops to like 10 sometimes with the amount of toys ppl use on my server
its insane and i love it
idk what new players do if they hearth here
hollow plover
<@232249410103279616> Firm believer in holding ava for first add set btw
Isnt it like half an half for people who hold vs people who send
minor gust
last I saw yeah
hollow plover
As fury i always had ava roar for intermission adds
Hm
I need to try it out, im arms this week
minor gust
I mean as arms you are just a boss blaster so like if adds evaportae before your BS even finishes its prob just better sending on cd
spiral coral
I need to try it out, im arms this week
hollow plover
https://tenor.com/view/dethklok-adult-swim-stop-copying-me-stop-copies-me-gif-17...
i already arms'd 5 bosses
last ID
im not copying
i swap every week
spiral coral
fucking. gamer.
hollow plover
<a:chatting:1266019851743399996> fucking. gamer.
Warrior gaming > one speccing
And its an excuse if you dont parse as well cuz only half as many kills per spec
zenith warren
so if I did the whole raid and still missing 300 rep for a next renown level, is it possible to make up for it?
mint onyx
if I am using BiS is it effective to use HotC as they share an interal timer
lucid lotus
Hi, is BiS hero better than a crafted weapon?
tacit crystal
Hi, is BiS hero better than a crafted weapon?
no
tacit crystal
if I am using BiS is it effective to use HotC as they share an interal timer
clarify your question
tacit crystal
yes u wnat to use hoc and bis
gm
tacit crystal
i died less
thick kelp
nice
strange perch
@tacit crystal
tacit crystal
would have gotten mugzee but we wiped at like 2% to nothing
mint onyx
hoc with ava and bis on cd after that
thanks
dim basalt
would have gotten mugzee but we wiped at like 2% to nothing
Sadge
sacred zodiac
would have gotten mugzee but we wiped at like 2% to nothing
Noob gio557
worthy mortar
how the hell ppl pull 3.6 or 3.7 mil on mugzee jesus
dim basalt
how the hell ppl pull 3.6 or 3.7 mil on mugzee jesus
Rng
quaint otter
dim basalt
uuh thx god, i tought i was crap, but just need rng luck
If you're averaging 95-97+ that's fine
worthy mortar
If you're averaging 95-97+ that's fine
i switched from fury, my parses were around from 90 to 97, but now on arms my god i just strugle, and i learned the rotation but still strugle, is it only me or arms is a bit harder to play than fury?
slow saddle
well
keepin on juggernaut
is going to make you crazy
as its so luck based
but apart from that just click OP when op shines rly
worthy mortar
keepin on juggernaut
i find juggernaut so clunky, sometimes i manage to get 7 stacks and sometimes (majority of the time) cant keep 2 stacks going..
dim basalt
i find juggernaut so clunky, sometimes i manage to get 7 stacks and sometimes (m...
Welcome to Arms
RNG only affects the very top parses though
If you're playing correctly you should be around 95 at least
worthy mortar
If you're playing correctly you should be around 95 *at least*
i see, then i guess i need to get used to it more, also i have being lied -.- arms is not much slower than fury lol
tacit crystal
Noob gio557
on our kill pull i suicided because immune soak was on boss then the boss was tanked in old stuff so i lept over to hit the boss then got killed by frontal
worthy mortar
hey one question just, when sudden death procs but weak aura doesnt sound i souldnt be using it unless refresh juggernaut? I should send slam over sudden death? if rest is on cd
fresh spire
Yep
worthy mortar
Yep
is any specific reason why slam have priority over execute as rage spender above 35%?
thick kelp
You cant use execute as a rage spender above 35%
worthy mortar
You cant use execute as a rage spender above 35%
sry my bad when sudden death procs
thick kelp
Cuz u rely on SD procs to extend Jugg
so you only spend them when necessary to fill that purpose
worthy mortar
aaah damn i see now, jesus i tought arms is zug zug, but basicly sudden death is used only to extend jugg damn.. ty lol
like dont get me wrong, i legit tought arms is just press what is shiny lol
does sudden death stacks and have duration? how long should i before refresh it jugg?
viral locust
does sudden death stacks and have duration? how long should i before refresh it ...
Kaching!
Execute is castable:
- Sudden Death is about to expire.
- Sudden Death has 2 stacks.
- Juggernaut buff is about to expire.
- 3 stacks of Marked for Execution.
- 1 or 2 Slayer stacks and Bladestorm is about to expire.
- 10 stacks of Overwhelmed is about to expire and Marked for Execution stacks on your target.
This weakaura will notify you when to press one of the conditions is the jugger buff is about to expire
dim basalt
Never heard of the last two conditions
viral locust
You'll probably hit the other conditions before that iirc
dim basalt
Very likely
worthy mortar
https://wago.io/pKuWbngSi
Very nice, thx!
dim basalt
And I have my doubts the 4th conditions matters unless you can aoe lots of adds
viral locust
Bored as hell so trying to parse heroic for funsies can't get 99 on bandit, how do I pad this lol
Only possible with the spawning of adds now?
This 98 is tarnishing me
untold pewter
Only possible with the spawning of adds now?
Yes
viral locust
Cringe
Hopefully wclog removs adds, difficult one though as I know original best strat was to spawn them
Maybe for the next patch partition only or something
dim basalt
Oh I thought bandit was removed from all stars
viral locust
Not yet I think?
plush glen
How crucial are stats when trying to swap between arms and fury for boss fights?
dim basalt
How crucial are stats when trying to swap between arms and fury for boss fights?
Arms is pretty decent with Fury stats, not so much the other way around
I think I sim like 40k less as Fury with my Arms gear
astral yarrow
very few fights where arms is that much better than fury
Cauldron and mugzee are the only ones where arms is clearly better, but not by enough for it to matter much (cauldron is irrelevant)
magic canopy
mugzee is also weird
you might want furys more upfront damage to make the 40% push
or you might want arms to delay and backload your damage
tacit crystal
mugzee is aids!
tacit crystal
i mean fight is unplayable
when i get spears
cant go right because ranged hunter goes there instead of me
then i have to aim the lightning
shadow ibex
I swear weak aura prio melee to go right whenever I get picked for first lance I've always got right assign
magic canopy
its shrimple
play well every pull and parse the one pull you dont have to do mechanics
fresh spire
Left
shadow ibex
play well every pull and parse the one pull you dont have to do mechanics
Also jugg stacks
magic canopy
magic canopy
Arms would be way more fun if it was Battlelord and not Ashen
tacit crystal
play well every pull and parse the one pull you dont have to do mechanics
me when we wipe when im cranking at 2%
🙂
fresh spire
Riggt
magic canopy
you have to go into "watch" the vod if you just click highlight you cant clip off that
shadow ibex
That's rough getting your spot taken
magic canopy
no idea
shadow ibex
Did you get lanced or able to adjust
fresh spire
steep osprey
Play perfect meanwhile jug stacks looking at you like
spiral coral
quasi torrent
Just want it to end and see arms .2
same spec
don't expect anything so u can't be disappointed
fresh spire
https://tenor.com/view/starege-cat-gif-4107532883548481782
Cronchy
quasi torrent
Has been for 8 years
correct
has been ass for that long
adding slayer jugg slot machine did not make it better either
shadow ibex
Was always gamba
If not jug then enduring blow
Now we're the old warriors soul 
I'm an old man now
sudden fox
The fact you cant leap haywire on gally is so cringe
wanton sierra
started playin clair obscure expedition 33, havin a blast ^^ i recomend it
dim basalt
Late to the party bud
umbral gyro
hey in st do we only use execute when 1 of the 3 things pop up? jugger, sudden death, mark for execution
or always when its light up?
dim basalt
hey in st do we only use execute when 1 of the 3 things pop up? jugger, sudden d...
You only use it when any of the conditions are met
umbral gyro
ty#
shadow ibex
Weak aura ahh spec
olive nest
Kaching!
cyan fox
You only use it when any of the conditions are met
I like to gamble on openings with lust to get more stacks so I just send it when I get it
teal fossil
Play for your vibes
wanton sierra
Late to the party bud
i only recently learned that it was on game pass!! xD i was about to buy it
olive nest
That will be the day!
weak rain
performs well, plays awful(should've been reworked)
terse osprey
they need to either change Slam or remove it lol
give us a more satisfying ability to press
sharp wyvern
juggernault biggest gripe rn
unless they make us play tom next season
then we have 2 gripes
terse osprey
juggernault biggest gripe rn
Is jugg part of the slayer build?
teal fossil
they need to either change Slam or remove it lol
There will always be a weakest filler
You can’t change that
icy mulch
The only saving grace of Arms is that it's not handicapped my target cap.
Still needs more throughput tuning, and talent tree is trash.
Playstyle is tedious and too much build up for it to possibly flub. Also, demo being fucked by skiddish tank will never not trigger me.
teal fossil
You can only change the frequency at which you press it
icy mulch
TLDR: Too much work for too little payoff.
I don't want Ret Paladin, brain dead Patrick play and ease, but something needs to be done [rework] to update it to current standards.
fresh spire
You can’t change that
oh they can
even by adding/changing a current talent that when you slam it has something simple like, 2x tactition value/lowers cd on ms/always gives overpower
could also buff rend up enough to match its intitial hit so we rend instead killing 2 issues people hate 😄
candid pecan
just give us something (not 100% WW tho) 
fresh spire
the jug change is the biggest thing we could hope for
until we get a full spec rework
which is also very simple in retrospect to implement too
shadow ibex
At this point I would put rend where fatality is
fresh spire
Was looking at some of the stuff that was mentioned in the wowhead post and doing some testing number wise if things was to be swapped or changed to really see just how locked up we are for design changes and really felt like it was pretty simple to get a small power up to colossus while keeping slayer in check.
If they changed the 30% overpower damage node on slayer tree to execute and lowered it to around 15% it's still slightly stronger 30% overpower while also killing Opportunist again, pushes down battlelord value in slayer which makes for some room for tuning it as battlelords problem is if they buff it right now then it just kills jug.
With the suggested jug change being 6 seconds 5 stacks 10% damage it removed all cringe gaming before 35% with SD usage making it a simple rotational button with the weakaura only being there to check for max stacks on sd/mfe to prevent wasting them.
MS> Execute> Overpower>slam
Side effect from the change to jug/slayer change is that we can:
Buffed MS damage on colossus tree to 30% from 20%, battlelord to 75% proc chance
Which put colossus 1% behind slayer in ST in current tier with all changes above.
shadow ibex
And just make every MS or cleave chance to bleed target for % of dmg done by cleave and ms
fresh spire
Like. There is definately room to change stuff around, Biggest contenders for problems though is jug + how the hero trees buff NOT execute and ms
shadow ibex
You think opportunist is too good?
fresh spire
its too good because of tier+ the 30% base buff
shadow ibex
I like what opportunist does to gameplay in theory
fresh spire
Like, Opportunist is fine.
But more of a means to explain, as it ends up making Fierce the stronger option if they did gut the 30%
which syncs for fatter mortal strikes and more synergy with SD/EP usage when you get procs
Like if they did something along the line of what i was messing about with the other day it goes from to
They have a means to fix colossus very easily to catch up with slayers power.
shadow ibex
But idk what ideal world is.
Should opportunist take prio over all?
If they just spoke to us so much would be easier
shadow ibex
Should opportunist take prio over all?
This is a question for them I mean.
If we just knew what design goals were
fresh spire
i like the feedback loop that a proc makes it stronger, same time i wouldn't mind if we had a better proc based system for overpower instead like old taste for blood instead
shadow ibex
That to me is remedied by increasing rage cost
fresh spire
consistant resets/non spamming
shadow ibex
To up proc chance
That would be easiest method imo
Only problem is the only thing to spend rage on is slam or MS
fresh spire
increasing rage costs will only cause issues in execute though
shadow ibex
So spending bad globals (slam)to get to press a good global seems bad
Does slam have a place in the kit? We really just want to press OP and ms
That's what we want to press as arms players
hollow plover
Btw did yall sim the maxroll APL against simc APL?
fresh spire
Ideally they do something with slam that you never really press it twice in a row
shadow ibex
consistant resets/non spamming
Sounds like frost dk with rime having 45 chance on oblit casts.
fresh spire
Btw did yall sim the maxroll APL against simc APL?
as far as i know our first version APL for this season was slightly stronger than revvez while his fury one was stronger than ours
thick kelp
Btw did yall sim the maxroll APL against simc APL?
Yeah ours was better
shadow ibex
Frost is a lot like MS, OP procs are rime. Except frost strike is a slam that actually feels good in the kit
Frost strike does a ton
thick kelp
ready to do it again nxt season 
hollow plover
i assume the difference tends to be no more than .5% between the two apls?
fresh spire
it was a very small difference, enough to be considered varience
that APL ordering was what we had as our actual APL before opportunist got a late buff which cleaned off the 6 stack fuckery
thick kelp
Abit
thick kelp
surely ptr next week :cope:
fresh spire
i just like the fun of trying to make number go higher
hollow plover
Any way to participate in helping build apls after balance changes and reworks?
thick kelp
Nothing better than when the number goes up 2k
thick kelp
Any way to participate in helping build apls after balance changes and reworks?
Suggest shit
play ptr
hollow plover
Fair enough
thick kelp
tell what feels food/bad
dim basalt
You guys theorycraft on another server tho no?
hollow plover
ptr from EU is ass unfortunately
dim basalt
ig
fresh spire
we post stuff in a channel in this discord when we work things out more that archi can keep tabs where we are, usually gives us further ideas/can also then grab stuff and report cringe shit before they go live to bliz to try get them fixed (battlelord 10 rage cost reduction be christ)
shadow ibex
Ideally they do something with slam that you never really press it twice in a ro...
If we got something like this, do you think just removing it and letting us exe always would be better?
hollow plover
thing is i know how to insert custom APLs into raidbots but I have yet to figure out how to compare different apls other than just running 10 different sims
rare kite
i know this is a bit off topic. but i started leveling my hunter and mm kinda feels like arms in a way. why doesn't slam reduce ms cd like mm has for aimed shot
shadow ibex
Like if something in the kit means we NEVER have to slam twice in a row
fresh spire
Run an advanced sim with two profiles, one with old apl one with new
fresh spire
Like if something in the kit means we NEVER have to slam twice in a row
slam always resets op/reduces MS cdr by a flat amount is something ive heard bounced around a few times
so simple but it works
hollow plover
Run an advanced sim with two profiles, one with old apl one with new
so just copy paste them after eachother ?
thick kelp
so just copy paste them after eachother ?
yep, just separate with a new copy
shadow ibex
slam always resets op/reduces MS cdr by a flat amount is something ive heard bou...
We'd have like 6 slams cast is what i mean
Keep in mind we press it a lot now because of jug
fresh spire
Keep in mind we press it a lot now because of jug
if jug changed that never happens anymore
which we are praying comes
shadow ibex
rare kite
slam always resets op/reduces MS cdr by a flat amount is something ive heard bou...
just copy paste mm hunter interaction but with slam instead. can also copypaste passive SS, tho that would be for when they remove collat(i love collat but doubt it stays)
fresh spire
well, the del;aying SD over slam shit
shadow ibex
Yea I just mean why go through all the trouble to make us press slam as little as possible
At that point just axe kt right
fresh spire
just copy paste mm hunter interaction but with slam instead. can also copypaste ...
would love to see some version of passive SS return/more versions of sweep without a gcd
hollow plover
yep, just separate with a new copy
Idk i guess i have to think about that another day when im not exhausted from work, but thanks for the heads up
fresh spire
plenty of room to expand on sweep both for having the abilty to go passive/ have multiple charges at lower durations instead of longer for more control and freedom of it/extra target hit etc
fresh spire
i want demolish to function like rampage
the dream
just let me run until the slam comes at leaaaaaast
rare kite
would love to see some version of passive SS return/more versions of sweep witho...
agreed. we've had perma SS before as well, seemed fine. i think alot of people think it's too strong when that hasn't really been the case
fresh spire
Would be amazing for stuff like bandit
can't sweep the presents as adds come to fast after 😦
rare kite
just pre SS on bandit
hollow plover
it doesnt even make sense thematically for a fuckin colossus to cancel his attack because the enemy moved away. A true colossus fuckin COMMITS to the slap
fresh spire
not sure if they fixed that yet but damn it cringe
dim basalt
Still not fixed afaik
fresh spire
Combat with bosses being started remoing sweep
Archi is trying to get it sorted as far as im aware
🙏
hollow plover
amen
fresh spire
they easily could at a weaker version
hollow plover
Since MM has it already
thats kind of the problem innit
dim basalt
I dont see them copy pasting an ability
rare kite
Still not fixed afaik
yea very much not fixed. it's hilarious watching crit pop SS and then a few seconds later they pull boss in m+ and he loses it, great mechanic blizz @daring heron
fresh spire
did you see critcakes execute getting eaten into the void
now thats some evil shit
dim basalt
huh?
rare kite
i did not see that fishy
fresh spire
Was doing a mugzee rekill, has stream and logs proving he pressed execute, game didnt decide to extend his jug and just ate the SD proc
no parry nothing
rare kite
dim basalt
Oh that happened to me a few times already
fresh spire
we have no idea why its doing it
dim basalt
Also on Mug
fresh spire
legit stole it
rare kite
god this spec is something else
dim basalt
Not sure if thats a mug specific thing
rare kite
also when pressing execute sometimes it adds 1 sec cd to my cs. tho i think that is more well known
fresh spire
not even something that can be replicated
hexed snow
Was doing a mugzee rekill, has stream and logs proving he pressed execute, game ...
YES!!!!
fresh spire
also when pressing execute sometimes it adds 1 sec cd to my cs. tho i think that...
i hate watching my buttons when i SD
fresh spire
can hear the sound effect, everything
logs even say he cast execute
Actually scammed
Button streamer thing even shows he used it
shadow ibex
Happy with warrior btw
dim basalt
fresh spire
real and true
well, it worked if you had 0 stacks of Imminent demise
(basically neveR)
candid pecan
me hearing SWING after my 15 stack jugg drops (boss on 65% hp)
fresh spire
so sad
i think the entire of my sprocket prog i kept dropping 15 stackers around the 40% mark
its actually infurating
i got so annoyed i played battlelord in the end for first kill 😄
sharp wyvern
We got rid of ToM fatality rng so we could replace it with juggernault
My hopes are still up for collosus ST supremacy in S3
fresh spire
thane colossus upset
boreal quartz
We got rid of ToM fatality rng so we could replace it with juggernault
That shit wasnt RNG
sharp wyvern
OK you could hold your execute until you were in tom window
sharp wyvern
That shit wasnt RNG
Smolderon really scarred me
fresh spire
smolderon was evil
probs would feel fine as fuck after the hp buff+ avoidance buff arms got
rare kite
We got rid of ToM fatality rng so we could replace it with juggernault
we have cs/avatar fatality instead now(only applicable on mugzee)
shadow ibex
I hope tom comes back
fresh spire
arms actual warzone when fury monke mode could tank the world and not die
shadow ibex
Or they kill it and put a real choice there
rare kite
^ rather do that
sharp wyvern
we have cs/avatar fatality instead now(only applicable on mugzee)
Does fatality scale with CS and avatar now ?
rare kite
Does fatality scale with CS and avatar now ?
yeah has been for a while
sharp wyvern
The fuck
rare kite
and mastery as well. tho mastery scaling is nice
rare kite
doesn't scale with crit. yet...
sharp wyvern
Fatality might actually be worse than juggernault
Also we will 100% play fatality as collosus
If it will be good at ST at some point
rare kite
Fatality might actually be worse than juggernault
nahhh. coz fatality doesn't have impact on how good a baseline ability is
still pretty garbage tho
hollow plover
Ah i have fatality up and its about to proc, im now going to change my entire playstyle so i can ensure fatality overlaps with cds
very fun gameplay
rare kite
Ah i have fatality up and its about to proc, im now going to change my entire pl...
yup yup. also better hope your bis procs mastery/vers and your flask is on mastery/vers
daring heron
shadow ibex
If you aren't gemming versi get your ilvl up
terse osprey
i feel like Arms should have its own warpaint talent or somethin to make it tankier
rare kite
i feel like Arms should have its own warpaint talent or somethin to make it tank...
we have like 9% passive avoidance. which is basically the same for most things
terse osprey
we have like 9% passive avoidance. which is basically the same for most things
Oh okay
Is that as Colossus or Slayer?
rare kite
both. colossus has some extra tankyness
terse osprey
both. colossus has some extra tankyness
Yea Colossus more fun too
worthy mortar
is that execute ''vanish'' only bug arms have atm?
hollow plover
is that execute ''vanish'' only bug arms have atm?
elaborate
worthy mortar
elaborate
when crit hit execute it didnt extend juggernaut, so i guess it vanished? xd
gone with a wind
shadow ibex
There's the execute vanish but it seems mug specific
That's when I've noticed
Also SD adding cooldown time to BS and colossus smash
worthy mortar
ah so its only on that boss
hollow plover
ive personally had my jugg stacks drop despite clicking execute as fury and as arms
shadow ibex
Sweeping increases tclap rends
hollow plover
only fury is ashen jugg
formal verge
I thought I was crazy with the whole casting execute yet nothing happens 😩
hollow plover
Also SD adding cooldown time to BS and colossus smash
dumbest shit ever, trips me up every time
hollow plover
ive personally had my jugg stacks drop despite clicking execute as fury and as a...
*while standing behind myth mugzee, no parry no miss no nothin
shadow ibex
dumbest shit ever, trips me up every time
Yea it's very dumb
shadow ibex
I'm ready to fight tooth and nail just for simple changes on ptr
Make 45 posts bending over backwards begging for demolish to not feel like a gamble to use
hollow plover
idek where i would be posting feedback ngl
hollow plover
"good luck" is crazy
teal fossil
But idk how as eu
Actually crazy how discriminated EU is
Considering that’s where most players are from the west
shadow ibex
If we're operating under the assumption they even listen to us Americans
Queue 12 paragraphs 25% slam buff
quasi torrent
Considering that’s where most players are from the west
americans be like
quasi torrent
Queue 12 paragraphs 25% slam buff
i think this was just spite
olive nest
It had to be a spite buff
inner wasp
so w/ colossus cleave build in aoe i just press cleave, then prio clap if no ss and ms then overpower if ss
that's the whole aoe rotation
olive nest
Like ahh you think warrior is in a bad state?? I’ll recommend a 100% buff to slam right before quitting my job
inner wasp
am i not caring if my overpowers buff cleave?
dim basalt
so w/ colossus cleave build in aoe i just press cleave, then prio clap if no ss ...
You press clap once at the beginning of the pull and call it a day
Otherwise yeah, Cleave > MS > OP
inner wasp
You press clap once at the beginning of the pull and call it a day
wowhead has it as higher prio than ms/op without SS tho
dim basalt
You dont care about that
teal fossil
Just need to make sure as many ppl are bleeding as possible
dim basalt
Imagine if clap was smart
inner wasp
You dont care about that
waaaa
inner wasp
when do i press execute
dim basalt
So depending on pull size you tclap once or twice
spiral coral
Only time you’re hiting tclap to to apply rend at the beginning of aoe
inner wasp
also then why would it be higher prio 😭
dim basalt
As col execute is just a slam replacement
spiral coral
It’s only high on the beginning of a fight
teal fossil
To ensure rend is on everyone
shadow ibex
i think this was just spite
I think the current state is spite tbh
spiral coral
No value during the actual fight
shadow ibex
0 feedback is listened
quasi torrent
0 feedback is listened
tbf most player feedback is fucking useless
so having to weed through 99% dogshit
teal fossil
also then why would it be higher prio 😭
“To apply and refresh rend with 4s remaining”
quasi torrent
.9% shit that doesnt matter
teal fossil
Idk what the problem is
quasi torrent
the last .1% is usable info
i wouldnt wanna have to engage with that shit either 👍
inner wasp
“To apply and refresh rend with 4s remaining”
it don't say that when i read it
it just says 13. thunder clap
- ms 15. overpower
teal fossil
That’s at the bottom bottom
teal fossil
When you reach the bottom it’s all minor
And clap still is refreshing some amount of rend
Once you get there
spiral coral
- Thunder Clap to apply or refresh Rend at <4 seconds remaining
teal fossil
2. Thunder Clap to apply or refresh Rend at <4 seconds remaining
He’s talking about 13
spiral coral
Oh
teal fossil
Not 2
smoky kayak
its all very minor, yes - with enough targets, pushing TC outweighs ST options
dim basalt
smart application when
dim basalt
Does the APL assume it applies smartly?
smoky kayak
the apl has nothing to do with it
teal fossil
Archi is saying that, with enough targets, the flat damage of tc outweighs the buffs you get from ms/op
spiral coral
I feel like rend/tclap is the most asked about here and that’s kinda fascinating to me lol
teal fossil
I feel like rend/tclap is the most asked about here and that’s kinda fascinating...
And there’s also a lot of misinformation for it
spiral coral
Besides cat gifs
shadow ibex
tbf most player feedback is fucking useless
How many posts asking for no root on colossus
dim basalt
I feel like rend/tclap is the most asked about here and that’s kinda fascinating...
It prob is right after "MS higher prio than OP?"
quasi torrent
How many posts asking for no root on colossus
not a root
😎
||me when i use a silly technicality to shift the argument||
shadow ibex
I feel like rend/tclap is the most asked about here and that’s kinda fascinating...
Why they are still two buttons amazes me
spiral coral
They aren’t to most anymore loool
quasi torrent
but but but rend is more dps on ST!!!!
quasi torrent
(1 MS crit in exe is bigger diff)
inner wasp
if cleave is our main damage in aoe how come we'll waste overpower buff on a non-aoe ms
is it just cuz robot says to
dim basalt
You dont waste it on MS
shadow ibex
Imagine frost dk had two buttons to apply frost fever