arms

[shadow ibex]

keeping that debuff up i mean

tfw talents work together and not against one another

[steep osprey]

Frost dks need aoe buff ngl

could buff remorseless

[old urchin]

I lost so much haste swapping to Best-In-Slots and now I’m gonna lose even more with the delve belt sheesh.

[dim basalt]

Im honestly not sure if it would

Because rn things line up quite nicely

Hard to tell without testing

[slow saddle]

Not in combat though

Just proc it no?

[old urchin]

I’ve more crit than haste now. Probably gonna have to reforge a lot of stuff and re-gem. I haven’t simmed yet not sure if it’s worth or not

[slow saddle]

M8 robot decides

As always

[old urchin]

Tru

[slow saddle]

But low haste feels bad

🤣

[boreal quartz]

xd nice one

@halcyon breach mom fix

@rigid hinge remember to post this into fury as well

[halcyon breach]

Well it's good to see you're living up to your pronoun, keep on it chief

[boreal quartz]

@halcyon breach i will warp you into irythyll dungeon - the room with the 7 branders

[halcyon breach]

They will do nothing to me, for I am already withered and low life anyway

[boreal quartz]

Bro i replayed

I looked for a mod to disable that mob

Complete assblasta

[halcyon breach]

Just sneak up on them noob

Or ignore them and live with no hp

I on purpose completely skipped by them and never interacted with them

awful npcs

[boreal quartz]

I rolled into one and got stuck

Repeat 7 times

Close game

Play again next day and run past

[rare kite]

wtff his message got deleted... how bad was it?

[halcyon breach]

something something repent

related to the Skyhold icon

[rare kite]

ahh one of those

[boreal quartz]

thats why i asked him to post it in fury

then archi sees it and does shit

[dire hinge]

we didn't even use the spicer icon i made of wrathion and anduin making out smh

dude should consider himself lucky

[boreal quartz]

among us kissing discord sticker

[dire hinge]

the tension between my mid-demolish channel and the tank kiting mobs out of it 🏳️‍🌈

[rare kite]

would need to be a warrior representative like varian but he's kinda dead...

[dire hinge]

true there's not a lot of iconic warriors atm, they all keep dying in very queer-coded sword battles with their archnemesis

[rare kite]

every other class has living representatives, they just offed all ours hahah

[dire hinge]

i guess we have Genn Greymane

and Alternative Draka

[boreal quartz]

we have magni ish

if you see his HS portrait as a proof for his class

[dire hinge]

true, is he a fleshboi again now? I forget

it always felt a bit more Paladin-y while he was made of diamonds

[steep osprey]

Sounds familiar with what’s going on with warrior

[slow saddle]

Fr though just remove juggernaut and buff accordingly

And im satisfied

Or buff collosus to be bis

[nova marsh]

Die jugg die

[dim basalt]

I never noticed that exe can crit giga hard

[slow saddle]

Legit yes just let exe slap

[dim basalt]

Somehow I crit for 8M lol

I have damage numbers disabled and just noticed by checking details

[slow saddle]

Ideally bring back 4p season 3 from df instead

So sd proc = big slam as well

[plush comet]

what is the spell priority to build the most collateral damage stacks?

[shadow ibex]

use cleave OP and MS

tclap roar and warbreaker dont add to stacks

[plush comet]

thank u

[dim basalt]

My god arms cds line so bad on Gally

[placid anvil]

WHy is it that we take ravager instead of bladestorm in the M+ build?

[dim basalt]

Because colossus doesnt interact with bs

(remove bs, make ravager baseline pls)

[minor gust]

only if you guys arent milking the cast

[lofty lagoon]

With Best in slots and House of cards, is there any preference use on these items?
Guessing Avatar + house of card
Should i just use best in slots on cd then?

[minor gust]

with your next cs

[lofty lagoon]

ai ai ty!

[dim basalt]

Tried convincing my guild but nope

Maybe on farm

[minor gust]

best you can do is press ava 7 seconds into prepull then

[steep osprey]

Guys just play mop

Better arms

[minor gust]

I plan on it

[steep osprey]

No more crying

[granite raptor]

gay fuyckinfg server pfp lmao

[steep osprey]

Who is that in your pfp

[minor gust]

Verso from Expedition 33

[steep osprey]

Oh okay

[steep osprey]

Bro what

It’s pride month

[dim basalt]

Bros hating the GOTY

[steep osprey]

He’s talking about the server icon

I think

[dim basalt]

oh

[steep osprey]

[dim basalt]

im dumb

[steep osprey]

He said server pfp

That doesn’t really make sense

I see why you thought that

Took me a few reads

[spiral coral]

[dim basalt]

[dire hinge]

it sure is though (positive)

[solar quarry]

are the laser different on Gally mythic now?

ours are not spawning the way they did in critcakes guide, surely it doesnt depend on the platform u close?

[olive nest]

What lasers?

[solar quarry]

beams

[olive nest]

The beams that you bait?

[solar quarry]

u let the beam pass over u, then u move left and just wait

in intermission

in the pov guide beams spawn on 12, 3, 6, 9 oclock etc

[minor gust]

depends on the strat your raid is doing

[fresh spire]

you are burning wrong parts of room

[minor gust]

just move out and and back in

[solar quarry]

ok, makes sense

[fresh spire]

we had this issue early raid and swapped it, it makes melee never have to move swapping strat

But your raid leader to switch

bug*

[solar quarry]

yh, we're discussing it now, i couldnt believe theyd hotfix it

but least we can adjust that now, thanks

[fresh spire]

you are blowing up the platform you start on right?

not one to your far left

[sacred zodiac]

no reason to play this strat ever lol

[fresh spire]

^

[minor gust]

I agree but unfort our raid does it as well

[sacred zodiac]

fix it then

[minor gust]

I wish im not the raid lead

[sacred zodiac]

you can talk to your raidlead

[minor gust]

I have

[olive nest]

There’s a strat where you don’t have to move out from the boss??

[sacred zodiac]

its strictly worse for your melee players and equal for your ranged player

[fresh spire]

YE

😄

[sacred zodiac]

you burn the correct part of the room and then stand in the laser beam as it spawns

[olive nest]

Oh I think we were doing that yeah

[minor gust]

raid lead doesnt wanna change it because were on farm and the strat works

I aint got no say

[olive nest]

It spawned to our left slightly

And we had all day to kill adds

[sacred zodiac]

yeah but you still dont have to leave

[olive nest]

Right right, for a second I thought there was a way to not have to do the maze I was like yooo lmk!

[minor gust]

My solution was just be a ret pally and not lose any uptime from moving out to dodge lasers

[sacred zodiac]

you dont have to do the maze

or wdym

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2477007193?t=0h41m55s

[olive nest]

When the Lazers are spinning you gotta move out don’t you?

[sacred zodiac]

no

click the vod

2nd intermission is identical except you gotta stand on the left edge as far away as possible in melee range

[olive nest]

Oh you can hug left there!!

That’s sick I didn’t know that

We were all running around right after rockets lol

But yee we spawn it like that

Does that work both times or just for the first?

[sacred zodiac]

both times but refer to this

like u start the same way and move the same way you just gotta be in that very precise spot on the left or u get zapped

[olive nest]

Oh right reading right above my messages lmao

[sacred zodiac]

can find a vod for that sec

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2474416272?t=2h10m30s

[olive nest]

Just confirmed we’re doing a different dunk spot

So we can’t

[sacred zodiac]

fix the dunk spot then

your guild is doing it wrong

[olive nest]

Our first kill was last night I’m not sure if they’d be willing to re learn it for future kills but maybe

[astral yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/power-infusion-pi-thdlock-thdwide-thdpi-gif-10556325555317886809

[sacred zodiac]

watch that kill

2 bomb men explode

[astral yarrow]

yeah we had 2 explode a couple of weeks ago as well

only does like 5 mil dmg

[dull siren]

If you are void elf just void elf over it

and you'll do more the damage on adds more effective also

[hard rock]

With both Best in Slots and HoC, what do you pop first? How do you manage them?

Keys versus raid

[eager sigil]

hoc with avatar

then best in slots after

[placid anvil]

cs?

[minor gust]

colossus smash

[calm hollow]

counterspell

[rare kite]

creep score

[naive sage]

The smasher of colossus

[torpid pasture]

maybe a dumb question but wouldn't you want thunderous roar to benefit from avatar + warbreaker?

[dire hinge]

That's an understandable question! Basically the upfront hit of TRoar isn't that important, and we mostly care about the DoT ticks that apply afterwards. By precasting it ahead of Avatar/WB, we save a GCD that we can use on other abilities later 🙂

the DoTs will have their damage scale up automatically with Avatar/WB

[torpid pasture]

ok cool didn't know that tyvm

[dire hinge]

of course!

[random ibex]

damn, anyone else have the robot crafting haste/vers 😮

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/st5MJASUwy5td25gbGWvfh

[dire hinge]

I wouldn't sweat secondary minmaxing too much, Arms likes all stats

[minor gust]

NOWAY

[dire hinge]

those are also all within 0.1% difference of each other (or less), so it's deeply insignificant performance wise

[teal fossil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[dire hinge]

feel free to go haste/vers if you want to, but tbh at that point it's a matter of "do i want to spend gold on 0.1% diff"

[minor gust]

free yourself from the shackles of caring about secondary stats

and be happy

[teal fossil]

Care about str and wdps

[teal fossil]

People spend dozens of dollars for 0.1%

[dire hinge]

release your inhibitions

[teal fossil]

Love race changing

[dire hinge]

haha, "i hate mechagnome so much", my brother you're the one who picked it

[teal fossil]

The only one I understand is dwarf

Or those mobility races

[dire hinge]

yeah stoneskin/fireblood is

i wish i was 5head enough for Void Elf, half the time i forget to recast, or just teleport into a different one-shot

[rare kite]

I have a weakaura that shows duration

Helps with the forgetting part

[upper sleet]

thinking of rerolling to arms instead of fury, i just got house of cards and BIS. i've simmed recrafts but i cant seem to get higher than 2.983M, my fury sims 3.047...

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cBo2t8yAavxKdkgNaRThj9

[minor gust]

thats not surprising considering fury sims higher than arms your also siming with extended sweep and not bloodbourne

[upper sleet]

im quite new to arms haha

didnt except it to be 10m+ diff

i like the arms st rotation more then fury thats why im considering swapping

[minor gust]

Play what's more fun to you sim performance doesn't matter

You can freely swap between the specs anytime

[formal verge]

All fun in games til you play the juggernaut slot machine 😪

[teal fossil]

i mean thats still very close

once you swap out extended sweeping its gonna be muc hcloser

[stable fiber]

i think i can do 4m dps on mugzee mythic

btw

ill keep in touch

[cloud trench]

Hello. Can anyone tell me what I should be tracking with weak auras for arms?

[stable fiber]

sudden death weakaura is like the only needed thing

[cloud trench]

Wasnt there something to track for demolish use?

like. use it at x stacks of y

[stable fiber]

in m+ its typically always 10 stacks

because you get 10 stacks fast as shit in aoe

its not something to track really, but you ALWAYS want to use demolish at 10 stacks

unless you go into a boss with 0 stacks

[cloud trench]

I figured a WA would help me see stacks easier since theres like 800 buff/debuff icons at all times

[smoky kayak]

I wouldn't necessarily say always, but generally yes

[stable fiber]

yeah

ive done like 200 keys as colossus and im not sure how to use demolish at 0 stacks lmao, its almost never at 0 stacks when i enter a boss pull typically

maybe has happened like 3 times ever

[balmy kindle]

In m+ blademasters helps alot to get stacks fast and get fat collaterals

[stable fiber]

yeah

[stable fiber]

im afraid the boss isnt dying tonight

[minor gust]

ppl touching mines is a fun time isnt it

[stable fiber]

we cant place gaols in right spot

p2

first ones

[minor gust]

[stable fiber]

i had a pull

where i was 3.8m when we placed those gaols

and i still had the 2 stack of 100% amped adds

im like 100% certain thats 4m dps pull

if we kill it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Q3Rm7D61KgCfYPjx?type=damage-done&fight=11

look at this fucking pull bro

god tier man

literally every pull past pull 4 is marked as a 100

[minor gust]

your raid must be doing 0 dmg to those adds to get so much outta them

[shadow ibex]

[stable fiber]

they kinda do 0 damage in general

well

some of them

[urban iron]

is viscera simbait for arms raiding?

[minor gust]

every raids gotem

[stable fiber]

id say yes

ngl

[sacred zodiac]

Its fine for pure st

[reef glade]

where in gods name do you get a 2stack of those adds

r u like playing the game 3 months ago where u still had to spawn the extra set

or wait is this like the even earlier thing

u dont clear em huh

the quick push i guess ic sorta makes sense but u still finger gun those? doesnt boss die like 5 seconds after finger gun goes off anyway

[slow saddle]

L0l

im 20k off simming 3m

20k is what id gain for changin to void elf

considering

[reef glade]

[blissful tree]

what do u mean by that? those adds with the shield that are attackable after you finger gun them?

[stable fiber]

wdym

its like the very end of the boss

[slow saddle]

its tempting

[stable fiber]

like 6%

right after the gaols

[slow saddle]

also for the LOVE of God remove juggernaut

im so sick of playing around it

[minor gust]

@tacit crystal

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[reef glade]

leveling 87th alt poggers

[minor gust]

leveling something in that goldshire Inn

[quaint otter]

Leveling gold number

[tacit crystal]

the demon told me to have a character on it

and its my highest level dh

so

gg

[merry atlas]

Hi guys, minor question, should I be using colossus smash on cd? Or save it so that I can use it with bladestorm?

[minor gust]

it was a succubus wasnt it

[hollow plover]

hold if its within a few seconds away from eachother

[merry atlas]

Thanks

[tacit crystal]

incorrect demon

https://tenor.com/ib8Aq934lrQ.gif

[hollow plover]

@tacit crystal send playlist

[tacit crystal]

what im listening to now?

[tacit crystal]

no i mean my demonic gm

those who mow

[hollow plover]

sned

[tacit crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIO7DD55H6A&t=4097s

[hollow plover]

yt over spotify?

noted

[tacit crystal]

well

you dont have the mp3s

so

cant lsiten to on spotify if you dont download them then make playlist

or use mine

[hollow plover]

Gio you strike me as a person who loves romance anime

[tacit crystal]

i enjoy some sol

[quaint otter]

Yes.

[hollow plover]

ur russian u have different worldviews on music

[tacit crystal]

do you want the playlsit

i can give it

[reef glade]

poggers

69 nice

[tacit crystal]

woah 3k

[reef glade]

very strong

[tacit crystal]

me when you could have asked me to get it years ago

[reef glade]

me when i couldve pugged it years ago

game boring

[tacit crystal]

yeah gg

hi

[reef glade]

maybe bit more exciting if allowed to do bandit ever

[tacit crystal]

can you play vdh or disc priest to go for title

[reef glade]

prolly only after gally

but dragon can prolly slide in there

yea im not doin allat

but went from 10 to 14 workshop

not even sure y i got invited

but ig they just knew i had the sauce

that dungeon kinda blows tho light aoe pulls

died on 1 trash pack during cds so prolly woulda had maybe 1-200k more overall

classic aggro ripping business

[balmy kindle]

You dragon ? 🤣

[tacit crystal]

yeah

bro

[reef glade]

ye dragin pog

[tacit crystal]

doing anything below a 17 feels like aids

[balmy kindle]

Yeah deva is aggro magnet

[tacit crystal]

im sure im going to say the same thing when i get to 18s

[reef glade]

cluegi

[tacit crystal]

so

[balmy kindle]

Higher keys on deva is such a pita compared to war, every pull I have to lock in

[reef glade]

what to stay alive?

[balmy kindle]

Yeap

[reef glade]

well warrior has nothing to worry about ripping aggro

but yea generally also squishier

[balmy kindle]

Arms kinda alright

[reef glade]

though i think dragon defensives are probably better than warr

just like need to be way more proactive about them

[tacit crystal]

so

why dont you play vdh or dsic

[reef glade]

cant rly recover from a huge fuck up but like scales/blaze goes nuts

[balmy kindle]

It's the self healing though, dragon has no way to top yourself outside of blaze

[reef glade]

because uh... i will not be healing ever and nor do i cbt myself to tank keys higher than 10

yea not like significantly i mean VE and EB are nice little baby heals

[balmy kindle]

If u mess up a lil it can go bad fast

[reef glade]

which did like nothing xdd

draconic instincts seems cool tho

[balmy kindle]

Holy

Maybe I need to try that talent

[tacit crystal]

g

g

[reef glade]

50% renewing blaze on ally is prolly better if ur good at using it

but like i aint doin allat and gonna assume 95% of times any other spec can live better than me

ergo i will be taking the stuff that makes me die less

[balmy kindle]

It's not wrong, dragon is quite squishy

[stable fiber]

is there a reason the ST rotation uses avatar with colossus smash

and not with your bladestorm so you can fit a exe/op into your brutal finish window while you still have reck up

if you use avatar with cs all it does is amp the CS which is a ability that doesnt do much damage, in my eyes it would be better to avatar the bladestorm so you can fit a OP/Execute to buff your brutal finish and hope it crits because you still have the reck from avatar

also if you use avatar with cs you cant buff your brutal finish with a OP/exe

its very minor but it seems better to me on paper

I also think buffing brutal finish is like extremely strong but sim disagrees with me i guess

especially in execute

[hollow plover]

🤔

i dont think MS brutal finish is significant enough to where you dont want MS to be on cd

[thick kelp]

Overthinking it

[stable fiber]

ill do the smallest things for the biggest number

even if its aids

but surely the avatar with bladestorm is better

idk how to edit sims and shit

apls*

you effectively waste a gcd of reck when you send avatar with CS

[thick kelp]

do u tho

also over estimating reck here

[stable fiber]

yeah bro, ur giving a 20% crit buff to an ability that hits for 400k non crit

[thick kelp]

Also when the APL is being written, we test like all of these scenarios that you laid out and the current ones the strongest so

[stable fiber]

u could give the crit to an ability that does damage (opportunist proc) -> brutal finish MS

[thick kelp]

also you forget that the whole sequence in the opner is

avatar cs into ms as many times as u can into bs

[fresh spire]

Opportunist is already a higher priority than ms

[thick kelp]

so you are choosing to basically amp 4-5 mortal strikes inside reck

[fresh spire]

[thick kelp]

instead of that one thats buffed by BF

and yeah what fishy said, opportunist xdds

[hollow plover]

isnt it more specifically ava cs into ms and opportunist procs into bladestorm?

i havent played arms in a bit

[thick kelp]

yeah

so we are amping with reck all the strong hitters

[fresh spire]

Yes

[hollow plover]

noted~1

[fresh spire]

You spend all the big buttons then spin

[hollow plover]

unless on fights like gally/richard where we need bs back

noted~2

[fresh spire]

Think some forget just how long bladestorm actually is as a channel when considering just what you can actually fit in to the Warlords window

[fresh spire]

Arms is just cursed on gally at least. Feel like your at the mercy of mfe alot more than getting it on cd

[hollow plover]

yea thats fair

did you test the gallywix max range tech?

as arms?

[tacit crystal]

yeah but ms and opportunist

[hollow plover]

i only tested as fury thus far

[fresh spire]

When I progged it sometimes you had it back after pull intermission spin other times you had like 28seconds on cd. That's sending it 2nd gcd into Cs too

Mfe 😠

[hollow plover]

i like how fury always has it back, you just struggle to get reck in time if kicked early

[fresh spire]

I went to fury for a few weeks for a break from arms. Shits chill. Sd gaming ain't cringe. Bs feels like it's up so much more often/consistsntly

[hollow plover]

Thinkge

yeop

[fresh spire]

Execute as a button though

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-the-office-yikes-this-is-the-worst-cringe-gif-21219465

[thick kelp]

Slayer tree having increase OP dam nodes instead of increase exe dam nodes

[fresh spire]

Feels like a sin it not being highest prio after rampage

[hollow plover]

yooo i got fake jastor diamond on my lvl 24 timewalking alt

💯

[fresh spire]

At least for arms execute had interactions that reinfor ce it a little. Meanwhile rbrbrbrbrbrbrrbrbrbrbrbrb

[slow saddle]

True crime

🤣

[hollow plover]

tbf, since slayer is enabling rng based SD procs on top of the base SD rng, then it kinda ends up being "all hands in the air" type gameplay with exe being a good button again

[balmy kindle]

^^ why I stopped playing slayer in S2

[slow saddle]

I hate juggernaut

[balmy kindle]

Since Colo ain't too far behind for H prog, idgaf

[slow saddle]

I mean colo needs to be ahead as its more clunky to play

🤣

[hollow plover]

i just want a guaranteed way of getting SD instead of rng

[slow saddle]

If blizzard were clever

[balmy kindle]

Praying for S3

[slow saddle]

season 3

colo would be raid spec

i know i could now

but my guild is bad, and cant afford me playing the worse spec

in raid

[balmy kindle]

^^ mythic raid problems

On a serious note I hope juggernaut is changed and battlelord is baked into our default skills

[fresh spire]

Jug needs to be strong but only something you care about at 35% and under

[thick kelp]

Delete massacre

[balmy kindle]

Useless talent

[fresh spire]

I was thinking about this yesterday

[thick kelp]

Massacre is such an innocent looking node but hooly fuck

[fresh spire]

Nerf it to 30%

[thick kelp]

remove it

[fresh spire]

Bring back condemn as a talent on class tree

[thick kelp]

not even jokin

[fresh spire]

[thick kelp]

delete massacre

condemn on class tree

BatChest

[fresh spire]

50% fight execute. 50% not

[balmy kindle]

Wouldn't mind TBF, condemn = can use execute both ways

[fresh spire]

Condemn if they reworked jug to be shorter but a power house would be insane strong though

[balmy kindle]

No more having blank buttons on slayer

[thick kelp]

5stack 6sec dura

[fresh spire]

Yep

When you can spam you fuckin spam

[slow saddle]

idc what ever dura it is

[fresh spire]

[slow saddle]

but its defo more healthy

if its not 100% uptime

[fresh spire]

Jug needs to either be insane long or very short

Long means it weaker

Shorter makes it more bursty

[stable fiber]

condemn is still my favorite ability ever

[fresh spire]

If it was 6 second duration 5 stacks jug would gain alot of power in keys for ms/execute builds

[balmy kindle]

Any changes is welcomed, right now it's so all or nothing

[hollow plover]

delete rend node, make it baseline

[fresh spire]

Demolish to apply Cs next

[balmy kindle]

When u drop stacks before intermissions

[fresh spire]

🙏

No need to worry about desync if demolish just applies cs

[hollow plover]

they are gonna make it where only the first hit of demolish applies cs so it's annoying as fuck in aoe

if anything

[fresh spire]

Nah the slam

[balmy kindle]

Makes too much sense, surely blizzard will implement ir

[fresh spire]

If they gut the 10% amp

And replaced it with duration of Cs instead. The extra Cs amp would lift the st up close to slayer

[balmy kindle]

Wow blizz should hire you instead

[fresh spire]

Not my idea.

Arms wowhead Post when 🙂

[balmy kindle]

On a serious note it's always baffling to me how the Devs cant make changes like these

[hollow plover]

they can, they just dont want to

[fresh spire]

We aren't paladins

[balmy kindle]

^^ yeah Fury's up so where

[thick kelp]

Expansion scale changes, cant afford to do such things mid expac yk

[fresh spire]

Soon

Imo

Gotta love the wowhead comments on posts

[hollow plover]

quite often they end up having season 3 ideas to where they arent willing to change something in season 2 because of it

[thick kelp]

11.2 ptr soon

[minor gust]

If your raid is milking the cast enough usually get bladestorm back for first add set 90% of the time.

[fresh spire]

Mf our here saying fury St was good last season

[balmy kindle]

Personally I just don't like how they just tweak %s instead of shifting mechanics

[fresh spire]

Lowest boss damage class

[balmy kindle]

Something as simple as putting cs on demolish should not be seasonal

[thick kelp]

yeah that would be

expansionall

[fresh spire]

2.0 surely expansional🙏

[minor gust]

11.2 we think warrior is in a good place

[fresh spire]

Jug needs to be shot sooner than later though

[balmy kindle]

Classic

[fresh spire]

Cope train begins

Surely announcement/preview next week

[balmy kindle]

It's the same scripted phrase

[fresh spire]

And ptr up soon after with insane changes

[balmy kindle]

Warriors are in a good place

[minor gust]

I've already decided to quit arms and only play fury next tier if Jugg isn't removed or changed

I can't handle another tier of Jugg gamba

[fresh spire]

Surely tier bonus makes ms insane so battlelord wins anyway 🙏

[balmy kindle]

I am praying for battelord to be good

I hate jugg with vengeance

[fresh spire]

Tbf it's close to jug now.

[minor gust]

Best they can do is a slam tier set

[fresh spire]

1%?

Not even that 0.4% I think

[minor gust]

Is it really that close?

[balmy kindle]

Even for slayer ? 👀

[fresh spire]

Yeh

[minor gust]

I haven't simmed it

[fresh spire]

Pretty sure it is.

I would sim but I'm logged out I fury gear and don't have my arms template on hand

[balmy kindle]

I know for Colo it's very close

[thick kelp]

colo is actually opposite

[minor gust]

Yeah I'm in bed right now or I would

[thick kelp]

Blord is worse compared to jugg for colo

blord is much closer to jugg for slayer

[fresh spire]

Bedge

[balmy kindle]

Welp time to run some sims

[minor gust]

I do it tomorrow and if it's super close I might just do next week's reclear with blord for funsies

[balmy kindle]

For me jugg is like 0.2-0.3% better on Colo

[minor gust]

Arms feels like dog shit without EB and Blord

[balmy kindle]

^^very true

Without eb and blord you are gonna hit slam on a ton of gcds

[minor gust]

4 slams in a row no tac proc time to kms

[hollow plover]

Can we talk about Valor in Victory being the only node giving us access to bladestorm and ravager

[minor gust]

Mop classic tho I can't wait to press slam

[fresh spire]

Eb is life

[balmy kindle]

When you keep getting resets with Pi on

[rare kite]

and perma SS

[fresh spire]

Found an old profile on my sim history

[rare kite]

MoP hype

[minor gust]

https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/news/how-reworked-stances-will-affect-arms-warriors-in-mist-of-pandaria-classic-377156?utm_source=discord-webhook

[fresh spire]

With battlelord you just use execute>slam

[minor gust]

This was a banger read

[eager sigil]

vigilance

[minor gust]

Perma SS AOE slam

[balmy kindle]

Damn we had it good

Didn't play MOP

[eager sigil]

played it on private server recently

pretty good

[minor gust]

I've been having fun even on cata arms

TWW arms is so fuckin bland

[minor gust]

This with Slayer Blord?

[fresh spire]

Ye

Mfe 3 2 stacks as normal

Then execute when you can't ms or op

Insane chill

[balmy kindle]

The pro is it's chill, problem is sometimes you want spice

[minor gust]

Woulda thought still do EP rotation but I guess without stupid Jugg exe is weak af

[fresh spire]

Execute more weird

You ms when you have more than 0 ep

So can go exe op ms

[minor gust]

I wonder if the short farm bosses Blord slayer would be better

Like 3 minutes kill times

[fresh spire]

It's within margin at 3 mins

Considering its fatal

Fatal rng><jug rng

Difference is faster kills where cds line up for fatal makes fatal go harddd

[reef glade]

It’s just like Ava cs you want fatal to be in right

that shit affects it now I think I heard ya

think I had it do that on my mugzee unsure doe

[hollow plover]

Nod

[rare kite]

it does yeah. another great part of arms xD

[reef glade]

it only hit 24m on mug wtf

I seen like 31 sometimes

Ig I did get jailed once

maybe mildly lower stacks

still hold dps there for 3 years anyway

(hitting ms on cd and keeping jugg up in d stance)

[rare kite]

i guess you can rng bis stat and flask stat as well to vers or mast

makes it hit a bit harder

[reef glade]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-funny-kasane-pearto-gif-1963437625092155594

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/898928117136109639.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

Bl you play the same as slayer in execute. 2ep ms. Opportunist is more important as rage gen from bl and that other node

[hollow plover]

lads, to parse on richard, do yall perma charge to him to extend jugg in intermission?

[fresh spire]

Colossus was the 1 ep+

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/785114396573171743/1357487707172900975/reverse.gif

[blissful tree]

for me, juggernaut is way to deep in the tree to be such a "random" proc dependent talent. what blizz can do if they want to have that talent in the game raise the duration to maybe 30 secs or just increase the execute dmg flat while the target is under 35 %. if slayer stays the way it is and if juggernaut remains in the game, marked for execution stacks should add to the juggernaut stacks. but sitting on a sudden death proc is counter initiative anyways.

[weak rain]

Just replace jugg with executing execute talent, which increases execute dmg by 100% on target below 20%

[balmy kindle]

Oo it's up arms warrior retrospective

[blissful tree]

cant wait to read that

and cleave should not be a talent and WW should be removed for arms

[signal oak]

is there a way to stop charge from putting you under mugzee during intermission

[blissful tree]

yes. wait until he stands still, then you don't charge behind him.

[signal oak]

ty

[hollow plover]

let him arrive in his target location first yea

Nod

"The unfortunate part of this is that achieving that performance is a lot less fun than it should be, grossly influenced by the RNG of stacking and maintaining Juggernaut over the course of a long encounter through Sudden Death procs, creating a frustratingly inconsistent experience reliant on WeakAuras to keep track of its three different buff timers."

holy shit this is so well written

[fresh spire]

Man's cooked

[hollow plover]

could not describe it better

[fresh spire]

Everything in the wish list owns

[hollow plover]

are all partially responsible for writing it?

[fresh spire]

Nope

[hollow plover]

obviously archi is the one to post it and write it too, but there's probably some group theorycrafting going on I'd imagine

[fresh spire]

We may have had the smallest discussion on what we hate

But this is all his work

And most the ideas for wishlist is his own

[hollow plover]

they own

[fresh spire]

The 2.0 dream is bladestorm change and jug shot

Free us

[hollow plover]

no mention of skull splitter amen

fuck that talent

[fresh spire]

Ngl I forgot about sks. Revert it to old sks

[thick kelp]

remove sks

[fresh spire]

Remove deez

[hollow plover]

"Rework Juggernaut to reduce the emphasis on gaming it throughout the entire fight." i think that could be worded with more specific ideas

but man the wishlist really owns

genuinely

so good

[hollow plover]

Also demolish shouldnt just get cancel protection, let it hit behind the player

AngryCat

[fresh spire]

Make it a frontal already

With a strong radius

[hexed snow]

@smoky kayak Sorry for individual ping but good writing on the Arms/Fury. I agreed so much. Well done

[hollow plover]

deep wounds applied by tclap

would be great

[fresh spire]

We got rend take it or leave it

[hollow plover]

rend doesnt buff my dam

AngryCat

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/898928117136109639.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[livid cloak]

Excellent write up archi

6 second jug with juiced up 5 stacks is actually great idea

[fresh spire]

Kill jugger by making the power of it insane only when you can actually ramp it

[balmy kindle]

Surely blizz will consider yes

[hollow plover]

i still believe we will end up pooling 2 stacks of SD every time with that in order to get the 2nd jugg stack but its much better than the garbage jugg we have now

[fresh spire]

Depends on jugs power.

[hollow plover]

indeed

if jugg is too powerful then im afraid we'd pool 2 stacks of MFE with 2 SD procs potentially

maybe too rng actually

[weak rain]

Execute should be just individually strong so you want to press it over everything(except 2 EP MS)

maybe execute doing more dmg the lower target is would be a good replacement of jugg

I like how archi didn't mention test of might or sks KEKW

being dogshit

[quaint otter]

Execute kills target

Executes*

[weak rain]

also I think SD procs should be valued as 40 rage spent for the sake of AM

and tom of course hehe

[hollow plover]

amen

but tbh

those arent high prio awkwardness

those are smaller ideas kinda

[weak rain]

I feel like you lose so much AM value when you get bombarded by SD procs

kinda counter-intuitive

[hollow plover]

yea but the AM value isn't relevant except for 1-2 fights per tier

I'd rather focus on not feeling dumb playing a spec properly

Nod

[thick kelp]

Remove Am

return CS resets to tactician

[weak rain]

every little thing matter, I've been irritated by SD since DF, in TWW with amount of SD procs the issue is much more apparent, at least to me

[fresh spire]

Sd should just be strong and wanting to be sent

Mfe should be the bi product of sd not the leader of it

Button glows I smash

Could buff ep to push sd potential

Change jug duration making is shorter lower stacks but overall strong damage % while buffing ep to make the base value for pushing execute itself stronger.

[slow saddle]

this

its not even a rework

its a small tuning that would make warrior way more fun in raid

if they could just hire archie

even if only so he could take the backlash from us

😄

[fresh spire]

Only thing missing is sudden death thunderclap

👏

[balmy kindle]

I don't like thunderclap though, detracts from the arms feel

I want to zing with my 🗡️

[fresh spire]

Doesn't matter if you like it or not

It was insane good for keys and raid to never have to actually clap

Or rend

As sd did it for you

(Also sd value)

[balmy kindle]

Df3 or 4 ? Sadly didn't played

[fresh spire]

S3

Likely the best set intems of fixing holes in the spec

It's damage was lackluster but it made us barely ever rend or clap

Even in aoe it was good just for rend applications

Damage from tc on aoe wasn't that bad either having a 300% amp

[balmy kindle]

It's too good to be true So blizz removed it ofc

[fresh spire]

Slayer needs something like this for keys to give sd value

Since you are shoehorned into playing it and takes a talent point away

[balmy kindle]

True, if not SD is kinda a lousy talent lol. Right now you just take it for slayer

[fresh spire]

Sd on its own is pretty bad ngl

Only reason colossus takes it is because of pathing to impale which is a juicy point

Honestly think if fob worked on St ww/fob would beat sd in colossus

[upper sleet]

woooo 3m

[fresh spire]

His name jeff

[balmy kindle]

void elf

[upper sleet]

🧝

[fresh spire]

🧝

[hollow plover]

myth jastor when

ah. void elf.

cheated 3mil.

[upper sleet]

does void elf sim the highest or smthing?

[balmy kindle]

Yeah i think cause of racial

[upper sleet]

ahhh

[hollow plover]

yea dummy big dps increase

its like going from no jastor to jastor

for me, an orc player, at least

[upper sleet]

Excuse me

Race has that much difference damn

[hollow plover]

20k-30k ish dps

[thick kelp]

sim yo self

[hollow plover]

it was 23k for me, jastor upgrade was 21k

[upper sleet]

😮

[hollow plover]

race change would be greater upgrade

Nod

[balmy kindle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aKLFEqjoHtt7hHSUAc6awr close

[hollow plover]

sometimes i forget that me simming 3.07mil as orc is kinda crazy

[balmy kindle]

Not gonna run depths though, play m+ more

Would take the DPS loss for glide and wing buffet though

Glide esp is too useful

[upper sleet]

Im still on hero legs and hands :c

[balmy kindle]

You have BiS mythic though

[fresh spire]

[upper sleet]

Got 3 dinars, i ran a droptimiser and only upgrade is myth jastor

[weak rain]

Pointy ears supremacy gang

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nYFVvLi8RdiyVPKwmdpVxw

[hollow plover]

the "basic bitch" of wow races in tww season 2 right next to nelf

[weak rain]

excuse me, velf is my fav race since their introduction

I'm not velf op reroller

[hollow plover]

"im not like the other velf players"

it just keeps goin

[weak rain]

Yea, thats me

[calm hollow]

Troll was the superior arms race, just wait for the velf nerfs

[fresh spire]

Transmog>racial

[calm hollow]

this^

[weak rain]

Thats what I was thinking when I made velf

[fresh spire]

Twig pov

[gray herald]

goblin master race

[fresh spire]

Play female gnome

[shadow ibex]

I hate being velf

[fresh spire]

Character always screaming

[shadow ibex]

I think next I will go mecha

[fresh spire]

Mechagnomes own

[shadow ibex]

I'm very disappointed in recent races they've added tho

I don't see any earthen

Maybe casual andy angle but i love new races cuz new models is cool as hell

[weak rain]

earthen is useless, their passive sucks, they look/sound great though

[shadow ibex]

I've been in 2 guilds this expac don't think either roster ever had an earthen

[weak rain]

not passive, racial sucks, their passive racial is ok

azerite fart one I mean

[shadow ibex]

Couldn't even tell you what it is tbh

If my life was on the line to explain it I be super dead

[weak rain]

Fart is dogshit, passive well fed effect is nice, extra armor is ok for a warrior

[tribal sedge]

Possible dumb question, I just realized last night that I can press demolish outside of having 10 stacks of the buff. I don't know why I thought it had to be a 10 stack before doing so. Is there ever a time you press demolish without a 10 stack?

[pale glade]

in pure ST

hit on cooldown

i mean, you can game it if you're close, other cooldowns will be up in a couple globals, etc.

I'd also say on a pack opener if you weren't able to get to 10 before WB/CS and/or sweeps is going to fall off

[shadow ibex]

Even starting out ST boss with 0 stacks you can build some with ravager and MS and just cast before wb falls off

Shit if you cast during ravager it can tick and add a stack before the channel finishes.

[pale glade]

yeah, game out cooldown scinarios, but don't sit on it during the normal ST rotation

[shadow ibex]

Back on queens court with sweeping bug you could cast demo get a MS crit with ravager down and get down to like 36sec cooldown on it before you've even finished using it

Man that was cool

@minor gust can't wait to play colossus in fated queens court

[weak rain]

Also I think Tclap rend application should be uncapped

[latent moss]

nah bro u tweaking

tp is epic

its lowkey crazy

for uptime

after being tauren for a full expac

im glad to be velf again

fuck big races

legit cant see shit in half the dungeons

have to zoom in perma

[latent moss]

thats why nelf is good imo

its an elf but not a twig

just let us choose racials

at the barber or smth idk

so on raz u just take velf racial etc

[olive nest]

Being able to portal over walls or death beams is pretty cool

Except when you fail the skill shot and die

[shadow ibex]

I'm not a mage I don't blink

[weak rain]

velf with the new trading post spear(purple) goes hard

[shadow ibex]

I heroic leap over it and die because it still hits me

Because that's what warriors do

[weak rain]

based

[fresh spire]

Need to make jump leap jump over mechanics :kekw

[umbral gyro]

hey. jastor or house of cards on hc for cartel chip? Its a new char. both would give me good dps increase

[unkempt wren]

Best to sim of you want the absolutebest, but i prefer HoC because I like the consistent on use with Avatar

[tidal rover]

Do i pick House of cards 671 over Signet of priory/remenant of darkness 684?

[olive nest]

Mages can blink through, monks/warlocks can port through, so I don’t see why not

[weak rain]

because you move your actual body lmao

[shadow ibex]

Yea but it's lame

Good mid expac retrospective for arms tho. Jugg is bad is bad is bad

No way we get cs on demo tho

It would be awesome tho especially if some weird tom tech opened up

[olive nest]

Oh god ToM mentioned

Mr cope we’re going to need a WA that auto messages the priest when I cast the CS at 38% boss health so my fatality gets a bigger pop

[shadow ibex]

If tom is dead I rather it be replaced

I think dead nodes are the worst thing

It's just wasted opportunity for something cool

[sharp wyvern]

like storm of steel

[shadow ibex]

Imagine the mortal strikes from Tom overlap with cs avatar reck

Demolish ms hero spec boost

[urban iron]

As long as ignore pain spam during tom doesn’t come back

[shadow ibex]

How quick yall forget the class fantasy of biggest possible MS crit

[fresh spire]

[shadow ibex]

So caught up chasing 15 jug into exe

Forgot what really matters

[hollow plover]

make mortal strike give ignore pain

Nod

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-arrives-reversed-scared-gif-13702309

[shadow ibex]

Give indomitable

[chilly coyote]

just bake tom in and remove it 🤓

[shadow ibex]

If anything bake in iftk

[chilly coyote]

and just make it work <35% for poggers execute phase

[shadow ibex]

Not tom

[hollow plover]

iftk should be 20% and baked into cs

Nod

[river ridge]

Bake in IFTK and kill ToM. Sounds good to me 👍

[chilly coyote]

make fatality cleave while they're at it

[urban iron]

I am small brain arms

I just do exactly what the apl says

Thinking is not warrior life

[sharp wyvern]

if you pray to the apl enough they say your juggernaut will never drop off

[shadow ibex]

True

[shadow ibex]

Yes just make it a node under cs you can't skip

[hollow plover]

what

[light dirge]

i just want to pop in and say fatality was an awesome talent

[hollow plover]

Weirdge

[light dirge]

building up a giant nuke felt awesome

[sharp wyvern]

was?

[shadow ibex]

Well I don't see them making cs baseline in our book

[sharp wyvern]

fatality is fine as long as tom is dead

actually nvm that

i remember smolderon

[light dirge]

haha

[sharp wyvern]

fuck fatality

[light dirge]

i enjoyed it during vaults. on the big rock boss

[hollow plover]

no bake iftk INTO cs

[shadow ibex]

I hope they address rage

[hollow plover]

not bake cs into book

[shadow ibex]

It's fuckin cosmetic

[light dirge]

and yeah test of might can jump off a cliff into spikes

[sharp wyvern]

stop complaining about rage

[shadow ibex]

Hell no

[sharp wyvern]

having rage is good

who the fuck wants to sit around waiting for auto swings?

[shadow ibex]

Having it not matter isn't

[sharp wyvern]

go play classic

[shadow ibex]

Just remove it then

And just have us get cdr off ms hits

[hollow plover]

you either have too much rage or you have too little rage, both arent fun. Bouncy rage bar is good

[sharp wyvern]

current rage is tuned for execute

i honestly dont think you can fix rage for arms as long as execute range is spamming execute

if execute had a small CD like MS maybe then it would be easier

[shadow ibex]

I don't think a bar shouldn't matter for most of a fight

And even in execute its cosmetic

Op is such an insane globals

[sharp wyvern]

every spec that has mana wants to talk to you

[shadow ibex]

Whatever they wanted to do with rage they failed. They lowered cost to lessen tact procs since 40 rage was 100%, but we still cast just as many

Rage =/= mana man never has

There's nothing wrong with managing rage being part of the skill ceiling, the problem is bad management = not pressing buttons and I think blizzard would rather not have new players in that situation so they erred on just limitless

I think at that point you may as well remove it tho

If rage was limited People picking up arms and filling globals because they have enough to cast slam would have an awful time, constantly starved and thats not their fault. No part of the kit tells you to pool and spend if rage was limited. It's not intuitive at all for as simple as the kit is/would be if rage was limited

[slow saddle]

Rage works

We dont take tom

Im happy

[olive nest]

I never want to be in a situation where I can play the prio 95% correctly or better and still get rage starved

Waiting for auto attacks is just ass period

Rage is there so we cant spam execute MS mindlessly

I’m okay with that

[shadow ibex]

It's not even clear where rage comes from that's what I mean

If you picked up wow said I wanna play this arms warrior guy if rage was limited you'd be like when the fuck am I getting this stuff

Just randomly in combat

[olive nest]

Yeah I get that but I think most people probably don’t care where the resource is coming from as long as they can press their best button when it’s available

[shadow ibex]

And that's what I mean rage is unique in that

Where pressing your buttons too much means you can't press them

I think blizzard knows this feels bad so we get this where rage doesn't matter and it doesn't matter what you presss

I think at that point, just remove it.

[olive nest]

Would you prefer it if rage was never random and you could only generate it with X ability and spend it with X ability?

[shadow ibex]

No because then it's just rampage

I think they are sensitive to not having enough resources for multiple gcds which is rage mattering

There's like 8 levels of tribal knowledge to get thru if rage was like bfa or sl

It's just not intuitive so we get this, but why have it at all then if you're afraid of the bar being empty

[mild pier]

Maybe take the MS from MOP (no rage cost) so you can just use it on CD and make the rage spending elsewhere

In execute you could still MS on CD while spamming exe if you want

But idk I should go check MOP just to see I dont remember how it really was

[shadow ibex]

I just want them to pick a lane

If it doesn't matter just remove this bar

Or if it does make it part of the skill ceiling and floor

[boreal quartz]

steamhappy emoji skyhold word of warcarf

[mild pier]

I dont think they actually can make it part of the skill floor/ceiling without being to extreme in one or the other direction at this point

Not saying they should rework the spec but at least take a look at rage gen in itself

because I dont see them just remove rage, or make it so it never matters

[shadow ibex]

They let resource management part of frost

But frost has 1 rune spender and 1 runic power spender outside of breath

Frost manages runes and runic power, uh those and wounds

So they are ok having it within specs

Rage just has a ton of ways to spend it and ruin yourself if you don't know what's good to spend it on and it's unique in that case vs runes/rp

[balmy kindle]

been playing frost 2h breath (meme ik) abit and i agree with what u said as well

you know u f'ed up when playing dk

[olive nest]

Ngl the only reason I don’t play UHDK is because you have to manage two resources

That’s skill issue on my end though

Doesn’t make it bad

[shadow ibex]

Yea and I'm just saying pick a lane for arms then

[slow saddle]

Imo its ok stn

If u want it to feel more important reduce op dmg add it to exe

[balmy kindle]

alternatively they can bake deep wounds into something that interacts with our kit rather than just a flat % modifier

Like when i play frost dk ngl dem scythe procs are very spicy

[slow saddle]

Well

Sd procs

Could be that

[balmy kindle]

just anything honestly will be nice, atm both war specs feel very bad if the numbers are not tuned up (thank god we are mid upper this season)

[spiral coral]

All warrior specs feel great to me atm

I’d like changes, sure, but, they all have builds that are fun af

[boreal quartz]

details addon installed?

[spiral coral]

Yes, but caring about it is the devoid of happiness

[slow saddle]

I mean slayer sd procs could also just be removed

[smoky kayak]

Why would you want to remove SD procs?

oh to make it a new mastery? Feels like a more complicated version of Opportunity Strikes

Guess it could be interesting to scale the amount of SD procs up or down based on amount of mastery, though I feel like a whole lot of things would need to be reworked to make it work (like all of Slayer), plus I'm not sure how well it fits Colossus since SD procs don't really do anything for it

[snow flame]

execute should do like double its damage in execute phase

ngl

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, that seems fair and balanced

[snow flame]

or just remove execute from eveyr other class

but one real issue I do have with arms besides the rng is the clunkiness for aoe

[spiral coral]

Execute spam sounds super fun

[snow flame]

Arms aoe setup compared to fury's is a real issue

[minor gust]

It's Christmas morning and I wake up to the arms retrospective

#removejugg

Free me

[shadow ibex]

It's a lot of set up

And then the rest of the pull is

Cleave X X cleave

Just go down your list of 3 buttons. Cleave, if I can't, MS, ifi can't, OP

Then back up the list

[steep osprey]

I loved Opp strikes, why did they change it

[shadow ibex]

Hate to bring it up again but at least frost has to pay attention to dnd charges cuz you can't aoe in a PoF window without it. Is sweeping up? Who cares just press the buttons

[steep osprey]

Archi are you here?

Good article, I wanted to say

[shadow ibex]

If they gave cs on demo I would believe they actually have done a colossus key

[stable fiber]

playing cata makes me hate it

more rng to the already extremely rng spec

• it procs gurthalak

[steep osprey]

So they should remove the CS buff

Demo buff*

the 10% one

and instead put CS there?

for a reduced time

5 seconds

maybe 3 idk

so it at least buffs demo

[shadow ibex]

I would do unholy things if they gave us a full duration cs on demo

I would never unslot tom

[steep osprey]

Lets assume it's not gonna work on ToM

[nova marsh]

We'd have stupid uptime on ToM again

[minor gust]

fuck Tom

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/stubborn-mad-gif-26485932

[minor gust]

remove it