arms

[hollow plover]

real

wp wp

[alpine falcon]

Does tank need to taunt insta back?after you taunt reflect?

Never tried it so i need to start doing it

[magic canopy]

easiest is prob to taunt after each gattling gun to guarentee the first shot then taunt back

tho sometimes he might insta cast a rocket after. maybe after the rocket cast idk

only way it actually works is with comms kinda impossible in pugs

[alpine falcon]

Yeah 100% with coms, i was curious on what to tell my tank, either insta taunt like it was on thunder boss in nokud, or tot last boss.

[bright ginkgo]

Nice! Out of curiosity, whats ur comp and overall on a 21?
Edit: Nvm, found the comp😄

[daring flicker]

I have 16 crit, 24765 mastery, 2 billion haste and 763 vers. My dps is 60,779,265… We are not the same

[naive sage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[cedar sparrow]

Guys - can someone check if that is the ideal opener if you have no "stacks" into a pack. Charge -> Thunderclap->Cleave ( For DW ) -> Roar-> Ravager -> Avatar ->Warbreaker -> cleave/op shortly before CS runs out Demolish?

[hollow plover]

arguably cleave before tclap, also wheres ur sweeping strikes? Also why are you clicking overpower instead of mortal strike?

Weirdge

[tacit crystal]

^

and you should send demolish as soon as you hit 10, while also forcing at cs being near 2 if you got extremely unlucky

[hollow plover]

yo gio i got beard oil as a gift and man that shit cranks, you need to try it - even if ur clean shaven that shit is just insane for ur skin

[wanton lodge]

You wonwon

[tacit crystal]

i just woke up bro

[cedar sparrow]

Was not sure if I would use the SS before it to run already or if I save it for after that burst window (You will have SS due to Blademasters Torment anyway)

[hollow plover]

lets ignore SS for now, my friend please dont click overpower when you're trying to stack your demolish

(unless u have to)

its cleave > ms > op

MS gives you up to 4 stacks of colossal might in a single gcd

like you have to get criminally unlucky to end up not getting 10 stacks in time

[cedar sparrow]

So that will be more worth than to "buff" dmg for cleave in that dmg window? ( We talk about multitarget not st - just to be sure )

[hollow plover]

yes we're talking heavy aoe

if ur fighting 50 mobs, lets say

you click cleave > ms > op

[cedar sparrow]

Alright let´s try out 🙂 Thanks man.

[hollow plover]

for context, a swept mortal strike critting on primary target and 2nd target gives you 4 stacks of colossal might

that shit cranks

[tacit crystal]

only worth stacking mp if you can get like 5 modifiers

cs demo ava collat rav

but having all at once at start of pulls

lol

[still fox]

is jastor sim bait or why do play most warris crafted over 671 ring? for me sim jastor better

[hollow plover]

with prepull yea but then u already go in with 10stacks of cm

[hollow plover]

jastor is absolutely broken

but a lot of people want stamina

or they just dont have the jastor

[still fox]

kk than i play it ^^

[boreal remnant]

You're the one who plays with poah right?

[ancient scroll]

Pretty much yes. Once you hear the reflect sound you tell your tank to taunt back

[ancient scroll]

Yes

[fast wedge]

in 2 target with no SS - do you cleave or only cleave on 3 target?

[dim basalt]

Only 3T

On 2T only with Ravager running because of MBG (in place of slam)

[restive canyon]

cleave's damage is like 1/3 of MS

[fast wedge]

thanks

[hollow plover]

dont forget the autocasted slam tho

thumb

[teal fossil]

MS mainly beats out due to colossal might

else its very close

[shadow ibex]

You will still cleave at 2t

You don't get demo stacks but it's still the third best button in that scenario

[green cedar]

Already had another earth neck with crit haste. Crafted a second. I have a lot of gilded and a wife with a lot of crafting mats on her JC

[hollow zephyr]

If i am at the penalty point for haste and crit should i use mastery consumes?

[hollow plover]

raidbots knows what u should use, dont go for generic statweights

[shadow ibex]

So called free thinkers when loot drops

[hollow plover]

doesnt exist

[shadow ibex]

trying to play an UH DK i thought wounds stacked up to like 99 its only 6

i thought they were managing stacks wtf is this

[dim basalt]

[hollow zephyr]

i dont see on raidbots where it tells me which consumes to use

[shadow ibex]

all this time UH opener is so hard

meanwhile i got 6 woudns to burst

[hollow plover]

have you tried playing around with these options at all my friend?

obviously you can make a custom string (im sure someone has it) to check all at once

but this also works

[hollow zephyr]

im confused at how it could test alchemical chaos flask since its rng on which stat it takes

[smoky kayak]

Right hand side of the report will show what buffs and consumables were active

[smoky kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/imagination-spongebob-squarepants-dreams-magic-gif-12725683

Same way as every other proc or variable, the sim replicates the stat rotation and runs thousands of iterations to smooth out the effect of rng

From a very simple standpoint, basic sims are about averaging and finding the most consistently performative result

[fast wedge]

I've never really paid attention to arms war or war in general. how does this class/spec typically do expansion to expansion? are they often in a good spot or neglected?

[eager sigil]

depends if you want m+ or raid

for raid they are usually good

in keys they are pretty mid

[fast wedge]

m+

[eager sigil]

play mage or druid if you want class thats always good in dungeons

[fast wedge]

for context - how does current iteration of arms compare to it historically?

better or worse than usual in keys

[eager sigil]

current one is very good compared to previous versions

[shadow ibex]

Biggest problem is not much reason to invite one

Even when great other classes are on par and will bring things

[slow saddle]

Or choose ret

If u want melee

Reliably good in keys

[fast wedge]

I have a steady 4/5 man m+ group so the invites dont matter to me...i played SP until switching to war recently for this season

[slow saddle]

If u have a team

Play what u like

[fast wedge]

im not really asking what to play ... im just really really enjoying arms right now and it feels good in my m+ group. Just not sure if this is peak arms war experience or not

[slow saddle]

Peak

And still many specs will beat u

🤣

[shadow ibex]

I would hope it isn't peak. Demolish root is still cringe and cleave dominates the rotation

[fast wedge]

thats fine, i played SP for 11 weeks...i feel like powerhouse atm

[slow saddle]

I mean, when was it better?

Hmm df with sks was peak for me

But most ppl didnt like

[eager sigil]

aberrus arms

[slow saddle]

Hmm .5 y

I meant for m+ but y

I enjoyee having a burst button

[fast wedge]

what makes this peak arms in comparison to prior iterations?

[shadow ibex]

m+ peak or raid peak?

[slow saddle]

M+

[slow saddle]

More dmg in aoe

If u meant gameplay...

[fast wedge]

hopefully its here to stay, im really liking this

[slow saddle]

Its not peak at all

I think they should remove col dmg

[shadow ibex]

cant really count corruption and arms aoe in BFA before that was p rough

[icy mulch]

Between Azerite armor and corruptions, BFA arms was meh.

[shadow ibex]

closest to current version is probabyl DF s1

SL s1 was shit show so thats also off the table lol

[icy mulch]

Fair, I sort of gave up on Arms in Shadowland.

[dim basalt]

Cant speak for previous iterations but I think this iteration for aoe is okay-ish

Just feels bad that we do so much less damage than 1 button meta specs

[shadow ibex]

current version is probably best but thats a low bar tbh

[icy mulch]

sad but true

[shadow ibex]

if we go from like past 3 expacs, arms aoe didnt really come online until corruption in BFA

SL s1 competing with fury for worst dps but it got better in s2 onward

DF s1 is a lot like now but we used bladestorm

[icy mulch]

S1 was mid, s2 was strong.

[balmy kindle]

sL 1 , still have PTSD playing fairy warrior

[icy mulch]

Night Fae was awesome.

[balmy kindle]

Aftershock> ventyr execute

[icy mulch]

Hell yeah

[balmy kindle]

The visual was balls though, really wished ventyr or maldrax was better

By then I quitted

[icy mulch]

Do it for her!

[shadow ibex]

i wish AA would come back in place of roar and spear

mvoe spear up to utility spot and just make it ursols

and just kill TR since they keep nerfing bleeds anyway

[balmy kindle]

Please no blue visuals muh god

Personally didn't mind AA ( probably the most fun part of night Fae), but man the blue visuals were an eyesore

[balmy kindle]

I am sure she had "plot"

[slow saddle]

Heck make it another color

Aa was way cooler ability

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-let-me-in-clawing-at-door-knocking-at-door-waiting-at-door-gif-10636413725109957056

do it for goob

[leaden meadow]

is fury better in raid overall?

[calm hollow]

@dull siren on a fcking boost with alt

[leaden meadow]

its way better some fights but cannot catch up in others i do not really inderstand why

[hollow plover]

fury isnt good at 2 target cleave, fury is better at mass aoe and burst aoe. they are exactly equal in pure ST.

[leaden meadow]

is fury aoe way better in whirlwind cap number of targets

or is it close

[hollow plover]

Well. Look at stix.

sometimes u fight more than 5 targets even, and fury still vastly outperforms arms

arms just doesnt compete when aoe is involved, arms is more of a boss damage and 2 target cleave spec.

[leaden meadow]

wow

[hollow plover]

(arms wins on vexie due to boss damage difference)

[leaden meadow]

i thought it is slightly better in m+

i mean arms

[hollow plover]

arms is better in m+

[minor gust]

just how the raid fight is designed and the spec is designed

[hollow plover]

raid and m+ isnt comparable

[minor gust]

its not that deep

[leaden meadow]

yeah

[minor gust]

play what you wanna play both are good in the raid

[dull siren]

L

[leaden meadow]

i ve seen a lot of people swap to fury after the patch

[calm hollow]

this is more drop than we had on main raid since release

[leaden meadow]

and some other who say it is a fake buff

quite confusing

[dull siren]

I've soon got all the stuff

[celest forge]

That's crazy, why do that to yourself?

[icy mulch]

Always for the goob!

[dull siren]

I play with a active guild / Boost Gallywix Mythic

and no one ever wants to have warrior alt

[calm hollow]

i play only 3

[celest forge]

Oh for boosting

I guess that makes sense

Wonder what it takes to get into boosting

[hollow plover]

fury is closer to arms, but fury's position in the meta hasnt changed. It has become better but it hasnt become good.

[leaden meadow]

i see

so would you say arms is good?

[hollow plover]

yes

[celest forge]

Fury is decent for raids 🙂

[hollow plover]

arms is much prefered over fury in most situations

[dim basalt]

Middle of the pack /shrug

[leaden meadow]

i just checked top raider io warriors most are fury

[celest forge]

I think Blizzard is terrified of making fury meta in raids so they leave it as crap in keys

[leaden meadow]

just saying , with respect xd

[dull siren]

Fury is better in a few dungeons arms is better in most due to not being target capped

[leaden meadow]

well gear is quite similar so if you min maxing , you can just swap based on content i gues

fury wants more mastery no?

[dim basalt]

Fury with arms gear sucks

[celest forge]

Fury loves mastery, arms doesn't

[dim basalt]

Arms loves mastery too

You can easily play arms with fury gear but not so much the other way around

[dull siren]

1 different ring / neck on Arms vs Fury and you can just play with the same gear.

[leaden meadow]

yeah

thats what i waas gon say

set is set, trinkets are same i giess

[hollow plover]

(arms often prefers mastery over crit in ST btw)

and mastery is good in m+

big aoe

[celest forge]

According to archon.gg it doesn't even on ST heavy raid fights

Mastery is always third

[calm hollow]

just dont play fury at all, if you have 1 warr

[dull siren]

not really a huge diff

[dim basalt]

Because these websites suck

They give no context

[celest forge]

Ok

[dim basalt]

And a stat being 3rd highest prio does not make it bad

[hollow plover]

also "prio" for stats is dumb

just sim ur gear

[celest forge]

Never said it was bad. Said arms doesn't love it

[hollow plover]

statweights are meaningless

[celest forge]

It's fine with it, but doesn't love it

[hollow plover]

It absolutely loves it tho

[dull siren]

When you hit like 33% Haste / Crit
You just start going for mastery / vers

and if your doing aoe is earlier than that

[leaden meadow]

i swapped from rogue and dont hate me for saying this but i just feel like fury is a worse outlaw

[dim basalt]

None of the warrior spec are in a great state tbh

In terms of gameplay

[calm hollow]

i dont mind the current arms

just remove jugg

[dull siren]

Remove EP put "Memory of Lucid Dreams"

in the same talent slot

[dim basalt]

I mean yeah jugg is an issue

But remove it and theres like nothing of the spec left

[calm hollow]

i take TC on sudden proc too

[dim basalt]

S3 DF? Hell yeah

[olive nest]

Absolutely

[leaden meadow]

do you think arms is as easy as people commonly think?

[olive nest]

SD casting Giga TC was sick

[dim basalt]

Arms is easy

[calm hollow]

easy to learn, hard to master

[olive nest]

Can get complex if you play around the conditionals

But the WAs make it pretty easy

Mash glowy button

React to sound in ear

Parsing 99/100 is very rng dependent but anyone can do orange on it with some practice

[dim basalt]

Definitely straight forward in raid imo

Harder to master in M+

[leaden meadow]

i truly believe it is way harder than most melee specs in m+

[olive nest]

It’s harder than current ret/uhdk imo

Just because arms you have to try to sync things properly to get full output

[dim basalt]

Comparing it to the easier specs

[olive nest]

Can’t speak on rogue have no exp with it this expact

Monk I hear is pretty chill too

[dull siren]

Idk, About straight forward in raid if you actually want to master it.
So much minmaxing and small stuff you'll have tto do.

[leaden meadow]

i played rogue whole dragonflight

people thought it is hard

it is soo damn scripted

[dull siren]

M+ warrior is cleave

[leaden meadow]

i canntp stress it enough

[dim basalt]

Maybe Im just way too used to it

[dull siren]

I mean, The people who have mastered it is way further above others in preformance on the spec

[olive nest]

Little do they know you gotta pre plan a 8 page opener to get cleave to do big numba

[dull siren]

Just get resets

[olive nest]

Rngwalled

[dim basalt]

Only boss where youre not giga rngwalled is oab

Id also say Stix but boomkins just oneshot at this point

[olive nest]

I love when I Bladestorm on pull for gally and I don’t get enough rng for it to be back up for first add set

[dim basalt]

Yeah that feels bad

Because if it lines once you can get it line for the other adds too

Its so bad

[calm hollow]

they you guys interrupt too soon

i always get it back

even with bad rng

[dim basalt]

Are you not supposed to insta kick?

[olive nest]

My team Interrupt instantly

[calm hollow]

you can easily delay it

like 5 or more sec

[dim basalt]

Thats good to know

But I dont think we are gonna change anything now lol

Damn healer sheets

[olive nest]

Doubt mine would delay 5 seconds for the warrior to get his BS more consistently

They’ll just say “Kek warrior speaking”

[calm hollow]

i mean, they dont delay for me

for everyone its better

[olive nest]

Wonder how many specs would actually appreciate the delay

[leaden meadow]

is it normal that i occaisonally find my selff pressing slam like 3 times in a row if i am pressing anything at all

[olive nest]

Yes

[dim basalt]

yeah

[olive nest]

Horrible reset luck

But it does happen

[dim basalt]

Best thing is when you only get 1-2 tactician procs during full cds

Thats an immediate ff go next

[olive nest]

Love when I proc reap on technition sets and skyrocket number

[leaden meadow]

thatsa exactly what never happens in rogue. It always does something. Genuinely no downtime what soever

i feel like my char is exhausted quite frequently as arms

[dim basalt]

I mean you always do something

But slam is just so worthless

You dont really run out of rage to the point you cant press anything at all

Unless youre in execute with no sham in group

But even then its rare

[leaden meadow]

thats smtn i dont really understand

with m+ build if i am in execute range

execute just replaces slam right op is still higher prio?

[dim basalt]

correct

[leaden meadow]

so executte range does not change much then?

in terms of dps

[dim basalt]

Yes

Given that you dont play with EP

[leaden meadow]

if i do

and i am not at two stacks

is it exe over mortal strike?

meaning i only ms with 2 stacks?

[dim basalt]

if >40? rage

Not absolutely sure on that number

[calm hollow]

you will only MS with 2 EP

in raid

[dim basalt]

M+ context tho

[leaden meadow]

yeah yeah i get you but i was actually asking for the raid build xD

mb

[dim basalt]

oh

Yeah only with 2x EP

[leaden meadow]

very enlightening consequence of answering questions for the last 15 mins guys

thanks a lot xD

[mild dagger]

Anyone else find it funny that Wowhead has ignored Arms and Fury in their mid-expansion editorials? Not that I plan to ever read it, but just found it funny that it's been a week since their last one.

[hollow plover]

its not ignored, just not released yet

[minor gust]

ignored lmao

bruh its just not out yet

[spiral coral]

IGNORED

I’m dying

Archi took so long ppl think Wowhead forgot we existed 😂

[untold trench]

Archi is making a banger of a post. With moving pictures, red arrows and circles! Everything!

It is being slowcooked to perfection.

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[slow saddle]

I have 100% faith in him

To make an awesome article only for blizzard to ignore it

Until 1 month be4 release of midnight. So we op in beta and nerfed into damnation

[spiral coral]

That’s crazy

[slow saddle]

We get to sniff top 5 dmg

[spiral coral]

One month, you’re right

[dim basalt]

One week

Like in S2

[native obsidian]

Nah it's you burst too hard in heroic dungeons for one week, then you are nerfed and never recover the entire expansion

[stable cedar]

sometimes my cleave hits for 20-40million based on this weak aura but its usually 4-5million. on target dummies. is this a large difference because of crit?

[fresh spire]

if you are using the damage aura it might be stacking up all the damage hits together

[stable cedar]

ok

[void topaz]

energy drink trinket or myth priory trinket? they sim the same

does priory trinket line up badly?

[dim basalt]

If it sims the same it doesn't matter

[stable cedar]

im dumb, its the colat damage buff

[twin hazel]

Is 680 speed on an item significant?

[minor gust]

not worth downgrading in ilvl if thats what your asking

[twin hazel]

need to choose vault item, got shoulders with extra 680 speed same ILVL

have eye of kezan but dont do many 5 min fights

ijn vault

[minor gust]

I mean if you have no other options and you dont need a socket then grab it

it doesnt matter

[twin hazel]

thx!

[outer holly]

I have a very hard time turning down speed

[spiral coral]

I’m kinda excited for the new belt

And to also see Asmon mald about the single button assistant

I feel like we’ve gotten a ton of shit

Very recently

And coming forward. I feel a bit spoiled

[oblique oar]

do you think its worth to switch from fury to arms for mugzee mythic? not that much crit for arms, just geared for fury

[latent hull]

i cant choose between void elf and human

[minor gust]

just play fury your fine

[dim basalt]

Doesn't matter anymore

[thin orbit]

hey guys is the dungeonslice sim optimized for arms or should i combine MT and ST sims for M+?

[minor gust]

There's no 100% way to sim M+ just pick your poison d slice or ST+MT

[south cypress]

Still don’t like the swirly animation they gave to WB. I want the old jump back

[nimble tusk]

Does collateral dmg scale higher in ravager from Merciless Bonegrinder?

[minor gust]

yes

[nimble tusk]

so the strat would be to pop ravager like 8 seconds or so after sweeping strikes?

[pine wind]

i saw that, but what is the reason that the buff to bladestorm and reap the storm means we no longer take jugg and critical thinking? is the buff so substantial that we take warbreaker for the aoe CS buff and thus getting cleave and overpower resets synergize better with warbreaker?

[minor gust]

more like Slayer is no longer a meme and theres now a more serious build. The jugg build on wowhead was always just a second thought option for casuals to play if they wanted to play Slayer instead of colossus. It was using the idea that if Slayer is so bad in aoe you might as well just play to its ST strengths. Now with 11.1 changes and those recent slayer aoe buffs its less of a meme and more of a viable second option.

[pine wind]

goddamn im so far out of the loop, when i picked up warrior as an alt in season 1 colossus was considered the meme build lol. thank you for humoring my stupidity

[minor gust]

ever since the colossus buffs in season 1 its been the goto M+ spec for arms

and 11.1 made it even better in M+

[willow grove]

I love yoloing a demolish and praying nothing happens for 2ish seconds.

[fast wedge]

when r u popping SS in your rotation?

[worn thistle]

is whirlwind still bad for m+?

[latent moss]

yes

[icy mulch]

Does he even look at WoW anymore?

[dire hinge]

Can pop it before Warbreaker

[worn thistle]

It seems ill advised to give the creature any more attention than he already has tbh.

Why do people take warlord's torment instead of blademaster's torment in M+?

[minor gust]

more ST

[balmy kindle]

Man barely plays games , more of a shit poster now

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/le-goob-sleepy-fennec-fox-animals-sleep-gif-24680743

Me when asmon now.

[naive sage]

Le goon

Btw I hope asmongoloid will be forgotten asap

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-project-konpaku-youmu-funny-fish-gif-25497610

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberthule-raw-milk-gif-13534556795096546755

[fresh spire]

milk?

[thick kelp]

Milk

[hollow plover]

hi people

[quaint otter]

Oh no my milk collection

[balmy kindle]

Guy can barely play retail wow and always complains

Heck, he can barely play games that require some sort of thinking

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-pets-smile-boop-hehehe-gif-8831969285569966189

[fresh spire]

[warm birch]

Yo guys any clues on execute about the following. Default execute is exec>exec>op>ms jugling op if you get oportunist sooner. But what if you get a 2x oportunist twice like op>exec>op, do you ms now or exec?

[thick kelp]

do you have 2 stacks of EP?

[warm birch]

Not if you get opportunist twice

1 ep stack and 2 op staks

[thick kelp]

sooo

answer is no

-> execute

if only the guide stated this :(

[warm birch]

It does state execute on 2 eps

I rarely see the 4 gcds in between ms

[warm birch]

So

U 4 gcd if 2 oportunist

[thick kelp]

yes

[warm birch]

I dont usually see that on logs

If you follow that prio you execute 3x if no proc

Or am i crazy

[thick kelp]

yeah

if u stay above 20 rage thats the correct play

[eager sigil]

rage becomes a concern eventually

[warm birch]

Wouldnt a tier juiced op + a stack of mp be overall always better that a execute

[dim basalt]

The differences are very small

Thats why we dont really play around our tier, just not worth the effort

[fresh spire]

Opportunist usage is mostly to use up the hard hit. Gain 10 rage if using the talent and the chance to proc set

Also fills out a gcd with 0 rage spending when you are running low which will smooth out your executes spending more rage on average

[hollow plover]

whats the dps loss if you forced exe op exe disregarding opportunist completely

is that documented somewhere?

[thick kelp]

-1.7%

From when we were cooking with it

[hollow plover]

2.851m vs 2.825m

surprisingly low diff

thats like 1%

Thinkge

[thick kelp]

U are better off by just not talenting opportunist

[arctic matrix]

Any geared arms warriors want to share there single target sim with me?

[paper gulch]

You can just pick your favorite warrior and run a sim by typing their character name and server

[astral yarrow]

or check what the bis profile is on simulationcraft.org

idk if it was updated to account for whatever shenanigans might've happened with stat distributions or whether ilvl was just adjusted

but i'd argue 683 is geared regardless of what items are equipped

[halcyon breach]

Whatever you do, don't look at what this Aagaard guy got equipped

Living in the past..

[sacred zodiac]

WTF!

[olive nest]

67”5”

[astral yarrow]

bro im not farming crests

[sacred zodiac]

log in aagaard

[astral yarrow]

i am not logging in

[sacred zodiac]

Want to play World of Warcraft?

[olive nest]

Isn’t it true that you want to consume opportunist > MS if less than two MP stacks, also during execute

[thick kelp]

yes

[olive nest]

Yeah so it’s easy enough to play around @hollow plover

Definitely should be doing that

[hollow plover]

what?

[olive nest]

#arms message

Commenting about this

[hollow plover]

oh dw i know what to do

im just trying to find simpler playstyles for beginners

[olive nest]

Ahh got it I didn’t read the full conversation just started about there lol

[hollow plover]

chill

[thick kelp]

simpler playstyle is to not pick opportunist

[hollow plover]

its chill

[hollow plover]

yea

[misty sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-shia-la-beouf-flame-gif-4445204

[wide pumice]

is it worth to sacrifice second wind for rumbling earth in higher keys for more stun?

[shadow ibex]

It's a mega minor optimization iirc. You can find plenty of top 10 logs that just send 3 exe

With opp ofc

[thick kelp]

in the end all that matters is how many stacks of jugg you got when execute phase started and how many crits on your MS

[shadow ibex]

I think like 90% of its relevance is pre exe since the alternative is using a slam over your opp which would be very bad

[shadow ibex]

[thick kelp]

you can play the rotation exe exe op ms perma loop and R1 if u crit and get jugg rng

[shadow ibex]

It should be banned to say the truth

This early in the morning

Fuck up my whole day

[thick kelp]

17:25 btw

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[hollow plover]

16:25*

wrong time zone finlander

[olive nest]

I’m going to need that in freedom units please

[hollow plover]

we dont speak idiot, sorry

[hollow plover]

im cooking curry today

u want some?

[astral yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-man-no-man-no-gif-7347715096894588969

[warm birch]

Im not really a beginner i just want to know best minmax

[teal fossil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[serene glacier]

Yo I’m dual wielding stacking crit mastery and having bad luck with trinket drops on my alt red icon class. I just came here to ask if I should funnel more mastery since I can bad on use ?

[thick kelp]

Yeah

[spiral coral]

I love this

[sinful linden]

Which streamers or YouTube channels do you guys recommend for a new arms warrior?

[serene glacier]

I like Swifty

[sinful linden]

Looking at his channel ATM. Not a lot of warrior content or guide videos on the recent vids at least. I am looking for m+ content. Still ♥️ for the tip.

[boreal quartz]

Critcake biz

[sinful linden]

Thanks I see a coaching video. That's perfect.

[serene glacier]

Crit is the goat. Unfortunately he plays so well Blizzard doesn’t bother to fix us.

[hollow plover]

"Mad ox" on youtube has some great insights and you can always message him here @magic canopy

[tacit crystal]

critcake

swordish

banezi

gajeel

[hollow plover]

swordish is too lazy

@reef glade

ur lazy

[tacit crystal]

swordish gm bud

time for me to shower and shave really fast

me when i have class in 27 minutes

[fresh spire]

The goats

[tacit crystal]

i forgot fishi

aagard

bozo

TEA UHM WHYYY

[inner wasp]

how does arms play rn

are we still dooming about it feeling bad

i haven't checked in since df

[hollow plover]

do u mean raid arms or m+ arms

[inner wasp]

yes

[hollow plover]

yes

[rigid ravine]

Probably best it's ever been for me personally

[hollow plover]

m+ arms clicks 7 gcds before going into rotation, our aoe buttons require aiming and demolish can get canceled

[inner wasp]

sounds like a good thing

to me

[rigid ravine]

Does it beat fotm specs? Nope but will it carry your weight in content yeah

[hollow plover]

you can play perfectly as raid arms and still lose hella juggernaut stacks

[inner wasp]

that feels bad maybe

[rigid ravine]

If you're not mythic raiding it's fine

[hollow plover]

raid arms is all about extending juggernaut while doing normal rotation

if u go into execute phase with 15 jugg stacks, u do big dam

if u go into exe phase with low stacks

[shadow ibex]

Raid Arms feels v bad imo

[rigid ravine]

Even then it really only matters on like 2 bosses

[hollow plover]

then nice parse, idiot

[shadow ibex]

Jug and MS crit

[hollow plover]

yea MS crit is 4x

the damage

when stacked

[shadow ibex]

Just have all 18 ms casts in exe crit

[hollow plover]

WICKED

[untold trench]

Why not use actual wicked?

[rigid ravine]

No nitro?

[shadow ibex]

2wicked

[hollow plover]

vencord hardcarry

[fresh spire]

[lost rose]

hey team whats the highest gallagio renown you can be this week?

[vast drum]

I should take the myth reverb neck from vault even if its a downgrade at my current stat weights right? It's either that or 3rd socket (already have mythic brew neck)

[hollow plover]

are you EU or NA

[fresh spire]

Brew neck is the haste one right?

[hollow plover]

yea

haste mast

[opal merlin]

In M+ Should i use Ravager on CD, or always try to align it with Avatar and Trinket?

[hollow plover]

focus on aligning it with warbreaker or collateral damage more than avatar

Nod

[opal merlin]

thanks

And should i use Sweeping Strikes on the bosses, to stack collateral damage, or is it a wasted global?

[hollow plover]

read collat again for me please

[opal merlin]

Oh, sorry lmao.^^ ty for the patience 😄

[hollow plover]

i prefer helping people understand mechanics instead of just telling them "no dont click it"

[opal merlin]

Yea, you are absolutly right

[hollow plover]

if theres anything else you're unsure about, feel free to shoot a message

[opal merlin]

will do, thanks

[craggy copper]

Now that we have access to two dinar, what's the correct casting sequence for those of us with BiS and HoC? Is there a guide on how it affects the opener?

[tawny lily]

Hey I got a question,when should I use Best-in-slots? Like,since you can't use HoC and BiS at the same time,when should I use it? Unless it was written and i'm blind :D

[tacit crystal]

hoc with avatar bis next cs

[craggy copper]

Thank you! Do we hold HoC or BiS if CDs aren't up, or do we just always press on CD?

(After first use)

[tacit crystal]

when would hoc not be with avatar

[craggy copper]

No, urite both 1.5min. What about holding BiS for CS since it's 2min?

Or do we hold the CS for BiS to come up

[tacit crystal]

your next cs would be at like 30s in

then just next time bis is up you use with the closest cs

[craggy copper]

👍

[swift crown]

Gio67

did you go back to your old pfp

[muted moon]

hectic add cleave for mythic oab sims?

[teal fossil]

just sim regular

[gusty eagle]

guys, apart from stix and gallywix is there any other boss where if i dont go fury i will be (in theory) less useful for the raid?

[shadow ibex]

Nah

I mean maybe rikk

But if you're having problems with rik adds at this point, fury isn't the answer

Gally is probably the only important one. Stix you don't need to be fury either imo

[olive nest]

Sim sends Slots on cd but I’m lazy about it and just have it macroed to CS so I delay the first use by 10 seconds

Syncs up again at 6minutes so you just have to have the Ava/trinket macro be its own bind

[gusty eagle]

nah we are not having problems at all, its for reclearing. Swapped to warrior for farm!

but im still in the hustle of gearing towards arms or fury

[shadow ibex]

Arms is also fine on gally

It's kinda ass if your guild doesn't milk the p1 cast tho

[olive nest]

My BS comes up on time every couple pulls

Most of the time it’s like 6-8 seconds late

We insta kick

[shadow ibex]

Yea same so I just went fury

It just felt bad

[teal fossil]

if you have mythic gally on farm then you can play whatever

lol

[gusty eagle]

guild is farming, im swapping class so im technically not farming

idk how to explain the situation

[teal fossil]

if no one else is swapping then you can just get carried

you on a weak alt wouldnt matter too much

especially at this point

[shadow ibex]

If it's a shit alt just send fury and mash

Aoeing adds a lot easier and really only wipe condition that you can affect as war

[leaden meadow]

so with slayer raid build

is just 2x exe into ms as long as i can if no cds?

is op proc higher prio

[dim basalt]

yes

[leaden meadow]

do we send bladestorm off cooldown ?

or is op/ 2 ep ms and stuff bettter?

[dim basalt]

2x ep into bs

[leaden meadow]

my exe is never available after the opener is it just unluck? xD

[shadow ibex]

It's just rng

Haste helps

[leaden meadow]

so if im not getting exe reset its just good old ms as much as you can and hit op proc right?

[spark mango]

just depleted a top because we came back up on Xav and my paladin died to stomp due to my mortal strike healong reduction

he has 75% hpo

Fun times

[dim basalt]

[naive sage]

Classic arms inting

[shadow ibex]

I was doing top on an alt and the person I got sent to duel kept running from me 😦

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-running-why-are-you-running-away-pretty-liars1-nollywood-gif-16102856

[hollow plover]

thats because you stinky on your alt

[shadow ibex]

It is a uh dk

So probably

I need to get that s3 DF tier it looks badaas

Our first reclear since ce and I'm so tempted to just send colossus all night

[hollow plover]

Ewwww

i hope u fullclear in 1 night tho

we barely didnt, we had to go back to clear sprocket

since we did sprocket last

[jovial apex]

took a few weeks off, now almost all wars on 16+ keys are fury, what did I miss?

[outer forge]

Shirly the bandit has a guide that he put out like a month ago that helped me a lot in M+

[minor kraken]

guys how good is the focusing lens embellishment?

is it too far behind dusk/dawn cuz i kind of want to have embellishments on neck and ring

[dim basalt]

Theyre all pretty close

But focusing lens has no value in aoe iirc

Not like that would matter much

[narrow dawn]

If I have both bis and cards I send on cd or always something on avatar?

[dim basalt]

hoc always with avatar

bis with cs

[olive nest]

Turbo boost

Buffs to WW/TC/TB

[narrow dawn]

That will work I guess ty

[leaden meadow]

so when not in exe range as slayer

i wait for 2 sudden stacks to press exe

is that right?

[olive nest]

Well that’s one of the SD conditionals yes

[leaden meadow]

so if i have one and exe i usable

i dont press it

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-duck-gif-13236181837901593958

[olive nest]

You press SD if
Jug is about to expire
SD has two charges
Or 3x Mark for execution stacks

I guess technically you SD if the buff is about to fall off at 1 stack also

[leaden meadow]

dude this class is waaaaay harder than people think

[olive nest]

Uncommon though

[shadow ibex]

Not a bad idea to get weak aura to track jugg stacks and to track MFE

[leaden meadow]

i have it but wanted to understand the whys

[shadow ibex]

Its not difficult just really annoying

[olive nest]

Bear you can just get the SD Weakauras and it will go “kaching” in your ear when it’s supposed to be pressed

If you don’t want to practice without the handicap

[leaden meadow]

is it optimal to just completely listen to the wa?

[olive nest]

Pretty much yes

The Weakaura doesn’t know when you won’t be able to hit the boss or that you’ll be channeling blade storm so you have to pay some attention to it

Like it won’t kaching when SD or Jug is at 3 or 4 seconds left on duration and you could Bladestorm and then drop stacks

So it’d be better to refresh quick before bladestorming

Random example

But you get the idea I think

[leaden meadow]

refresh jugg you mean?

so only ms ing with 2 stacks is only at exe range is that correectt?

meaning i do exe back to back to get stacks

[olive nest]

Well sorta correct

You also react to opportunist procs

So it could look like
Exe>op>exe>op>MS

[leaden meadow]

so op procc alwaays highest prio?

[shadow ibex]

fuck i hope jug dies

[olive nest]

Or it could be
Op>exe>exe>op>ms

[olive nest]

It’s less prio than the SD conditional

But it’s more prio than Ms if you don’t have two stacks of martial prowess on the target already

[leaden meadow]

so here is the thing. most guides say if i have zero jugg stacks and i have sd i definetly exe

the wa on the other hand

does not proc in that case

[sacred zodiac]

what guide says that

[olive nest]

what guide says that

[leaden meadow]

am i stupid xD

wait

i thought the first sentence means

if you get an sd proc

just exe straight away

[olive nest]

So that’s just a comment

That’s not explaining the prio

All that’s doing is trying to help you understand the priority

[leaden meadow]

so lets say

i have zero jugg stacks and a single sd proc

no marked for execution

i dont exe right?

[olive nest]

Also, if SD procs before your first Bladestorm spam it quick for the extra benefit on your first BS

😉

[olive nest]

No you would wait for the SD conditions to be met

[sacred zodiac]

nah youll wait for another condition

[shadow ibex]

exe on pull yes

your BS will tick 1 more time

and unlock another ms tick

[leaden meadow]

im confused

[sacred zodiac]

dont think apl would press execute there

actions.slayer_st+=/execute,if=buff.juggernaut.remains<=gcd2&talent.juggernaut|buff.sudden_death.stack=2|buff.sudden_death.remains<=gcd3|debuff.marked_for_execution.stack=3

[olive nest]

Very odd that it wouldn’t

[shadow ibex]

the top log on plenty kills doesnt follow APL

ignoring opportunist etc

[olive nest]

An entire extra MS during opener burst is worth every time

[leaden meadow]

and i believe that would be the only time i dont listen to wa

i never get those sd procs tho 😭

[olive nest]

Charge > rend > roar > ava+cs > ms > (fk ya sd proc send it)>bladestorm

[leaden meadow]

would you do that before every bs?

[olive nest]

No because you naturally would have the extension for the rest

Unless downtime

[leaden meadow]

or extreme unluckiness i guess

just letting wa handle it changed my life ngl

😅

[olive nest]

Yes definitely recommend doing that

[dim basalt]

I played most of S1 without the wa

[olive nest]

You can play without it for sure

[dim basalt]

Its not that hard

Practice is all

[olive nest]

But it’s there and allows more mental load to go towards performing the fight

There’s zero reason not to take advantage of it because it’s a helpful tool available to everyone

[shadow ibex]

die MFE die

die jug die

[olive nest]

Unless you need to ego stroke yourself

[leaden meadow]

would you say the 'perfect' warr player would outperform the wa

like are there times where it is not optimal

[dim basalt]

The wa is optimal 99% of the time

[olive nest]

Yes I’d imagine tmy could outplay the WA

Guys an animal at warrior

Revvez etc

[spiral coral]

Lots of super great players play natty but they’re unicorns

I’m still undecided if I like WAs

I go back n forth depending on spec/class/feeling that day lmao

Might have to dedicate a day to make my own thing (wa/ui) eventually

[olive nest]

I personally really hope blizzard slam dunks this limited addons thing and provides there own comparable versions in game

I do not like that the game has to be designed around complex WAs that solve problems for us

But that’s my own opinion

[spiral coral]

I’d like if they do what Dorki said. Remove all combat add ons, hard, rip the band aid off, and just see what happens lmao

[shadow ibex]

yea that sounds awful

[spiral coral]

Cause I feel like the smart people are just going to find work arounds

[shadow ibex]

tracking MFE jugg alone would be cringe

[spiral coral]

Or blizzard’s implementation will be terrible

[shadow ibex]

tracking meat cleaver stacks as fury instead of remembering i pressed WW 4 globals

[olive nest]

That’s where the buff/debuff bar comes into play if they ever get a solid version of it cooked up

[shadow ibex]

they havent shown themselves capable

so im not gonna start believing now

[olive nest]

That I agree with for sure

The thing sucks nuts right now

Big time

But they’ll improve it over time

[random ibex]

today was the day, the day i finally replaced circlet

[olive nest]

[zealous pivot]

uh

jd eye or house?

already have em all hero

jd and house sim basically equal

:/

[dire hinge]

#updates-midnight message

[zealous pivot]

why tho if they sim equal?

value from it buffing others ig?

[shadow ibex]

if its equal pick the one you think you wont get during farm

[minor gust]

I wouldnt waste a dinar on eye. its a very niche trinket. Spend it on HOC it will be useful in all forms of content

[zealous pivot]

my thinking is that keys that chain pull it would be good? like cinderbrew youre in combat for 6 min per wing at least so you have full stacks for each boss

[minor gust]

do you pug our do you have a premade group

[dim basalt]

Youre not gonna be able to abuse eye in dungeons if youre not with a full premade team

[minor gust]

because relying on a pug tank to frequently chain pull is not worth using

eye in keys requires significant cordination

[zealous pivot]

pug but at 3600 so even if not abusing, the keys are kinda paced for chain pulls anyways if you hope to time yk

[dim basalt]

And dropping it few times a dungeon makes its not worth anymore

[zealous pivot]

hmmge

[dim basalt]

Takes super long to stack up

And drops quickly

[minor gust]

Its something you can do but its just not worth imo not every dungeon has good chain pull value

HOC is easy to use and good in all forms of content and dungeons

again eye is super niche

up to you tho its not that big of a deal

[shadow ibex]

eye isnt rare either

with farm and vault you'll probably get it anyway

[minor gust]

neither are rare

[cosmic pecan]

What’s the best way to use best in slots on use ?

[minor gust]

if your using an on use trinket then use it with the next cs

[cosmic pecan]

So use house of cards with avatar and first cs ravaged

[minor gust]

house of cards with ava yes

[shadow ibex]

What you buy

[minor gust]

A jastor

was a bigger upg than myth HOC

[tacit crystal]

do i greed my dinars or

[minor gust]

up to you

I personally didnt really care im not pushing keys on the warrior and were on farm

so I dont really care about gear

[tacit crystal]

i dont think i get anything

[minor gust]

you guys kill Gally yet?

[tacit crystal]

hoc shouldnt beat sprockencock or pace on arms

swordish still on mugzee

i only did a 4/8 last week

trail begins tomorrow

[minor gust]

you joining a new guild?

[tacit crystal]

yeah

[minor gust]

ah

[tacit crystal]

they took a break last week after killing gally week before

[minor gust]

sim your options then if Jastor is looking significantly better for you then worth holding dinar for it if you want

[tacit crystal]

dunno how ethical it would be for me to wait until bandit is killed again for a bis to drop and take it

i have to sim

but only things i need are hoc jastors bis kezan

but hoc doubt as arms

[minor gust]

Hoc is good for arms

Kezan is hard bait

[tacit crystal]

over pace and cocken

no chance

[minor gust]

I would never waste a dinar on a trinket thats only good on long fights

same with sprocken wouldnt waste a dinar on that

last I simmed sprocken and HOC are the exact same but HOC has value in all parts of the game

sprocken is just for raid

[tacit crystal]

i really feel like i should just play fury on gally

[minor gust]

if you wanna pad on adds sure

[tacit crystal]

roster just got posted

in on everything except stix

inshallah

[shadow ibex]

colossus arms all night

[tacit crystal]

cope

[minor gust]

Did last week's re clear on the pally was a nice break from Jugg cancer

Pink warrior slowly taking me away from the dog shit that is arms

Just need to give pally charge and leap instead of horse and I'll give up the silly brown class in a heart beat

[shadow ibex]

it'll get better

surely

[minor gust]

surely 11.2 wont be another were happy with the state of warrior

[shadow ibex]

the class tree must have 3 90 second offesive cooldowns

no other class does but we def do

[tacit crystal]

i need a reclear on my dk

i get 0 value from my dinars

[minor gust]

just got a myth jastor and HOC on the pally today

hes huge

[shadow ibex]

my dk is like 604

but i havent done anything but hit cap and do lfr

and some m0

[tacit crystal]

i legit cant get anything

[shadow ibex]

i think im just gonna play frost on this thing

[spiral coral]

Fdk is the most forgotten spec in the game

[shadow ibex]

i think breath is pretty iconic

just never seen a frost in raid since UH is usually really good

[spiral coral]

I like frost when I play DK

[shadow ibex]

i made 1 in DF s2 it was crazy fun and good

[spiral coral]

Yuuuup

[shadow ibex]

felt like arms but good

oblit on 3 targets

DnD was just better sweeping

[spiral coral]

Maybe it was just the specs (arms/fdk) I played, but s2 DF was my peak

[shadow ibex]

pillar of frost was like test of might except u didnt have to pick between that and iftk and a buff on you not WB debuff

my only problem is deathbringer seems really lame

oh damn they changed icap to just be 15 sec CDR on pillar i did not know that

p sure it was CDR based on runes or something before

[spiral coral]

Think it was to curve the random downtime a bit

Rider of the Apocalypse, don’t really know if it gets cooler sounding than that

[tacit crystal]

that tree changes nothing

damage is rng

pets randomly pull shit

not good

[shadow ibex]

yea i dont wanna do a passive tree

[shadow ibex]

these new elemental helmets on trading post make me want an elemental race

they look amazing

cmon thats fucking sick

[minor gust]

I really liked the pole arm

[fallow osprey]

how do i use best in slots with house? just slam house with avatar and bis whenever its off cd?

[fierce pebble]

it's got a 30 second buffer, so i'd slam it with your smaller burst on the 45 sec

[fallow osprey]

looks really good with the brf set

[shadow ibex]

im using it with DF s2 heroic

p generic but

with DF leggo axe you look almost cool

fyrak RP

[pine wind]

Thew new M+ build for slayer on wow head has us taking brutal finish over Culling cyclone. is that intentional?

[spiral coral]

Woah

[shadow ibex]

culling cyclone isnt an aoe talent

BF isn't really one either, but you can at least sweep mortal strike

vs 10 targets cyclone would increase the amount of dmg they take from BS by 1% each

5 tagets, 2% per target. its more an ST talent where each tick will deal 10% since only 1 target hit

[pine wind]

so the wording is on it is funny? cause it says "each strike" but with what you're saying i assume its only the strike on the primary target?

[shadow ibex]

each strike of BS will deal 10% more dmg, evenly split among targets hit

[pine wind]

yeah but if im hitting 10 targets, thats 10 strikes each "tick", to me it sounds like a 10% increase to bladestorm damage

just worded funny

[shadow ibex]

each of them would take an extra 1% dmg from it

[pine wind]

1% extra damage, 10 extra hits, 10% damage,

[minor gust]

BF sims better than cyclone in all scenarios last time I did it

[shadow ibex]

50% inc to almost 600% AP ability

before MP

10% BS dmg brings it to like 200% AP per tick

[pine wind]

but by that logic as soon as you get to 3 targets they're equal and at 4 bladestorm is "more ap"

[shadow ibex]

can sweep MS

but BS can tick upwards of 10 times

[pine wind]

bladestorm can hit 8

[shadow ibex]

BF def has more ST value and if ur playing slayer that's really what ur there for i assume

its not gonna make or break the build tho. i wouldnt be surprised if at 8 target sim cc wins out

[pine wind]

see now that's fair, lol. i was getting so confused cause i was thinking M+ so its like, every bladestorm is gonna be like 5-8+ and its a 10% increase, and looking at my damage one bladestorm was doing like 20 mil but 1 MS is like 1.5m (im in season 1 gear) but over the course of a whole dungeon on prio, elites and bosses i could see BF possibly making up for some of that damage since not EVERY pull is 8+

[shadow ibex]

for max overall it should be better but slayer is there for more ST i think. if your overall chasing may as well send colossuss

[minor gust]

BF is just better in all scenarios

[reef glade]

there a way to do a sim where kezan is already at like high stacks or something

cuz rn its bout 6k worse than equal ilvl mechanocore but im assuming for purposes of max mugzee p2 execute it just gotta be better right

but idk by how much it'd be

[lean geode]

I feel like I remember there being a simc flag for it

But I can't find it on the wiki

[slow saddle]

What that talent should dl

Is make bladestorm epic in multi target scen

What it does is nothin

[minor gust]

come again?

[shadow ibex]

culling i think

[storm lark]

override.precombat_state=buff.eye_of_kezan.stack=20

[reef glade]

[magic canopy]

awakesmish

[vapid sable]

anyone already know if the new delve belt will be better than a crafted one? (for mplus)

[magic canopy]

after adding stam to it i dont see how it wont be

[vapid sable]

ok, ty for the info

[blissful tree]

in this duo event, all your old gear will be ilvl 619. so jaithys or fyr'alath rejoice

[leaden meadow]

so

what haste and crit is too much

where i should focus on other stats

and which stats?

[gray herald]

just sim your upgrades and only change something if the sim suggests you do

there's no amount that is specifically too much

it will depend on your other stats/gear pieces so it's always better to sim yourself

[grand idol]

Careful. Blizzard absolutely hates old gear being anything but paperweight mog items. If they find out about "fun" they will kill it.

[gray herald]

they wont kill it for this 4fun event

but tbf old gear shouldnt be anything but paperweight mog items

[grand idol]

Timewalking is also "for fun" and they have gone out of their way, repeatedly, to ruin old iconic items and enchants.

[blissful tree]

u ave to be careful: you cannot go under gearscore 619 with old items or the buff will dissapear.

[lean wraith]

i think i am cursed to be using my 658 funhouse lens till season 3

[chrome cloak]

hey all, I have a 658 jastors but GV is offering a myth ring. Do I stick with jastors as sim is saying it is better?

[icy mulch]

Sim yo self, but napkin math it most likely will tell you to keep the jastor

[chrome cloak]

ok thank you

[spiral coral]

I checked like last week and ran jastors(hoc) against like all other rings and it still simmed better than myth/crafted

[chrome cloak]

same even upgrading myth ring it seems to be showing to keep the jastor

[spiral coral]

It’s just the uptime on jastors is cracked

V good

[mild sequoia]

Hey ! question, i can buy Best-in-Slot in Myth track, but im locked on HoC 671 / Pacemaker 684 (no second passive trinket), is it value to use BiS active without burst window ? or should i get a 684 weapon on vault and play only around HoC use (got the crafted one atm) ? Considering im using HoC on each Avatar use ofc

did some sim, BiS + HoC/pacemaker is ahead for 16k dps, the question is more about feeling of gameplay, dont wanna choose something that i can't reverse

[spark mango]

Best is slot is a very great item sims aside

works well with how arms plays

i go in with avatar and house of cards and my next warbreaker + demolish is with best in slot

[mild sequoia]

Thanks for the answer ! going for that then 😄

[spark mango]

it shared cooldown with your active trinket so just use it during warbreaker window when ready and make sure to also have your trinket somewhere in your vision outside your macro so you dont press avatar and losing out on a cast of House of cards

[mild sequoia]

Got a bind for each trinket use, gonna use for a warbreaker/colossus window as you said, thanks !

[wintry scroll]

Hello people, I haven't played this season can you guys tell me about this tier, does this new raid have the same lag as the last one or is it much better or not laggy even ?

[shadow ibex]

so we cant use oldgear or what

[gray herald]

depends on ur setup tbh because I only had fps issues when 1000 parasites got gripped on ovinax and otherwise both raids have been fine, no other lag

[gray herald]

i think they mean if ur overall ilvl is below 619 it will stop scaling up old gear

not sure though i havent logged in yet

[wintry scroll]

I would have lag when web slices would spawn on queen too

Which killed me a lot of times

[gray herald]

that was probably a bad weakaura/addon interaction

[tidal rover]

time to replace Cyrces circlet?

[tacit crystal]

sim yourself

[shadow ibex]

This titan belt drops with the next minipatch?

Or whatever they are calling these lil .2 patches

[tacit crystal]

in like 2 weeks

idk

[fast wedge]

for colossus m+ execute rotation - we just use execute in place of slam when nothing else is available, right? or should we try to play around executioner's precision?

[icy zinc]

Currently it looks to also be shit. But Blizzard probably don't want that so they will likely buff the belt.

[icy zinc]

When playing m+ yesterday I used about 20 slams and 5 executes per dungeon. There is no way executioners precision is worth using.

[shadow ibex]

Replace exe with slam yes

You can drop EP for something else since execute doesn't really come up often in aoe and even in ST with tact procs and MS resets from EB/BL exe gets pushed way down even in best case scenarios

[fast wedge]

really? i might play around with that

i dont like EP 🙂

[shadow ibex]

Execute is a very bad button for colossus

Can drop EP very easily. The lack of rage refund and no jugg to boost execute damage just makes pressing it a bad time since it just kills your rage

[blissful tree]

No you can. But your over all gearscore cannot go under 619.

[fast wedge]

ill swap it for bloodborne talent (5% more bleed dmg)

[lean wraith]

loooool i just got 3 underpins well connected friend within 10 yards of each other 😄

[shadow ibex]

That's really the only option yea

Sos is useless sadly

[teal fossil]

buff bloodborne

[shadow ibex]

2 points 10% dmg

[azure sable]

And bake skullsplitter into cs/wb

[teal fossil]

bake op into ms

[shadow ibex]

bake op

into autos

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[icy zinc]

Why not just go full classic arms and only have auto and mortal strike?

[fast wedge]

should i drop 1 talent from "finishing blows" to put two into bloodborne or leave them as 1 each

[teal fossil]

you dont need finishing blows for colossus i dont think

[shadow ibex]

yea dont really need rage talent unless you plan on pressing exe

i think its p close tho. sometimes the extra rage from bloodsurge or FB is nice if you get a ton of resets

really just preference imo

[fast wedge]

ok thanks

[weak wave]

Just tried an 8 mask run. How do you handle Umbrik? I kicked the first channel (which nukes sanity) and reflected the sheep. The 2nd channel came so fast kick wasn't rdy and it killed me.

[shadow ibex]

can BS a lot of the CC. its nice for rogue stuns in dwarf

@minor gust what if i told the free howling blast from rime counts towards this but free exe from SD does nothing with AM

[steep osprey]

He's right, you know

[errant goblet]

ive wondered for years why SD doesnt work with anything else doesnt proc tactician or AM really weird

[steep osprey]

I'd actualyl rather it didn't proc Tact

But AM would be nice

[shadow ibex]

feels really awesome to extend it thru a whole encounter wow look at that gameplay