thx youtube. exactly what i wanted...
#arms
rare kite
steep osprey
thx youtube. exactly what i wanted...
Lmao
I found this https://youtu.be/I5EQeLzp6Yc?si=UYzpu7TlkEDYPtfw
Fury was also good on garrosh because of bladestorm
For some reason Fury’s BS was way better than arms’
Idk if it’s incorrect
rare kite
yea i found a private server video as well
covert drift
Stormforge is the biggest private mop server
It had 2 iteration, currently on it's third on 5.2
So when searching for mop videos, include stormforge
steep osprey
Tauri is fine too
I just saw the most recent datamined post on news rn
And it looks like they buffed vengeance?
covert drift
on mop??
steep osprey
Classic yeah
regal wharf
steep osprey
None of those abilities were particularly strong
Right now they’d be op
That’s the difference
quartz adder
Hey! Considering Warr, Hunter or DK as an alt! But i have 0 exp on any of them. Is warrior fun? And what would you guys tip me to go for? I play mostly M+.
But the most important thing is fun playstyle.
hexed snow
Hey! Considering Warr, Hunter or DK as an alt! But i have 0 exp on any of them. ...
Whats ur main?
jade ember
Warrior is fun! All three are, although I can't get that into DPS DK personally. But I suppose you might want to think about what interests you most. If you might want to tank go Warr or DK. If you think you'd like to be ranged with a melee option go Hunter (BM is also very famously easy to play).
At the end of the day there are reasons to play and not play all three.
quartz adder
Whats ur main?
I main Lock/Boomie
hexed snow
I mean personally, if you want to keep on playing ranged, Hunter is not the worst.
You got MM for casting aimed shot, and BM for just idk sleeping while padding
But if you are into melee, Warrior or Paladin is nice
grand idol
Hey! Considering Warr, Hunter or DK as an alt! But i have 0 exp on any of them. ...
Having played warrior and hunter I can only say, for my preferences, hunter is, in almost every way that is relevant, better than warrior right now. You get to be ranged, which is 99% of the time objectively easier than melee and it just does more damage for less effort.
quartz adder
Would prob be smart to go melee to try something different for once, since both my main chars are casters
jade ember
Between Warr and Pal you def get more bang for your buck as Paladin, so that's a thing. Not that Warr is really really bad but Paladin is better and prolly easier.
DK both DPS specs I can't get into but grips make Blood one of my favorite tank specs.
Warr and DK both give you two DPS specs to try out, so that's a thing.
quartz adder
Having played warrior and hunter I can only say, for my preferences, hunter is, ...
But what is most fun to you out of those classes? Performance is not the most important for me, what gives you most dopamine to press certain buttons
covert drift
Hey! Considering Warr, Hunter or DK as an alt! But i have 0 exp on any of them. ...
Only thing i dislike about melee is the visual clutter
jade ember
I get really salty about how bad downtime is for us sometimes tbh
hexed snow
But what is most fun to you out of those classes? Performance is not the most im...
When I started warrior I did fury only cause I just enjoyed the way spending and gaining felt. It was super easy, clear and in my opinion fun
I got into arms this season (liberation or undermine) and in my honest opinion it felt way much clunkier, but it had more ups than downs.
quartz adder
Its so hard to make a choice since ive 0 exp with hunter, dk, warr
grand idol
For me, hunter. I think warrior is, and will likely always be, my favorite but I value simplicity and streamlining quite highly when it comes to how enjoyable I find a class or spec to play and hunter has that along with extremely good m+ performance for a massive downtick in effort.
quartz adder
I did 2.3k in arena as arms few seasons ago in pvp. But i dont pvp anymore
covert drift
What kind of playstyle you like?
grand idol
But, there is also nothing right now stopping you from jumping to 640~ ilvl and getting a feel for the class.
jade ember
Hero talents are another thing. I think we're in a better spot than DKs for hero talent variety. Both DPS specs use both between raid in M+.
quartz adder
But, there is also nothing right now stopping you from jumping to 640~ ilvl and ...
Wait jumping to 640? Am i missing something xd
grand idol
The nightfall event.
hexed snow
Horrific visions aswell?
quartz adder
Well now i got even more confused XD might be trying Warr, Hunter and Ret now i guess. Since DK is very similar to Lock/balance with dots. And i want something fun and different
jade ember
You do get the bonus of collecting pets as a hunter
covert drift
I've heard that suv hunter is for ppl that like playing arms warrior and also dogs (pets)
quartz adder
Ye but do i fall asleep while doing my rotation in m+ as a hunter? Or do i get dopamine rush when pressing Avatar and sending mortal strikes idk
Its very important that i enjoy the rotation
spiral coral
I've heard that suv hunter is for ppl that like playing arms warrior and also do...
Not far off
grand idol
640 it's a lot
yea, I guess saying "in a day" is a bit misleading. It was 24 hours but over a reset. I got two weeklies (timewalking/mythic) 3 hero items from delves (two maps and vault) a hero crafted item from the free crest and the rest champ items from their various sources.
jade ember
At that point just go try them out
spiral coral
DK starting and leveling is super boring. I also never found DK intriguing in the slightest. Warrior is my home and I’m biased. But Warrior will forever be the best and funnest class.
spiral coral
Hunter is always a class I go back to towards the end of the season cause it always gets invites and I can do world content and collect stuff (pets)
grand idol
I also rage quit that dk when it got a hero sus drink on its second map ever.
spiral coral
Blows my mind the shit I get invited to on my hunter and mage but not Warrior even tho the io is higher
jade ember
Lust is a hell of a drug
covert drift
which warriors should have
only reason it don't it's cause blizz is afraid to give a tank lust
quartz adder
Is Human the way to go as Ally?
spiral coral
Nelf cause meld
jade ember
If you aren't being competitive then just be whatever looks coolest
covert drift
now you're asking nonsense questions
jade ember
Meld is busted tho ya
quartz adder
Human Male Warrior has always been the "stereotype" warr in my eyes
So might try it out
spiral coral
Send it dude. Leveling is super fun on either arms or fury.
Prot is super fast as well
quartz adder
And M+ its the same if arms or fury i guess?
grand idol
Not really.
spiral coral
Arms is above fury, but both are viable.
Neither are “meta”
Arms is about middle of the pack, fury is… well… we’re trying
covert drift
Human Male Warrior has always been the "stereotype" warr in my eyes
To me is orc for fury and human for arms
quartz adder
To me is orc for fury and human for arms
True! Good old days
spiral coral
To me - after seeing warrior gnomes and being a Vulpera warrior myself, warr can be whatever you want lol
jade ember
It's important to point out that either can succeed, but Arms will outpace Fury really quickly on dungeons with really big pulls
Fury is a lot tankier too
quartz adder
Well! Sounds like i have shitloads of testing to do on Warr, Ret and hunter! To see who gives me dopamine, wish me luck guys! Appriciate the support
quartz adder
I got dreadnought and swift spectral, so would be idiot to not roll warr right? xd
spiral coral
Just go to the transmog channels in each, compare, then come back. We’re the best.
Hunter transmog channel is… 
quartz adder
Only thing thats make me mad
I was not playing when Arcanite Ripper were free to get
It still piss me off
Rlly want it, would prob play melee allready if i had it
jade ember
I was on my rogue back then, yea it stinks.
quartz adder
Considering buying it
quartz adder
Xd
240€
Sad money to pay fór something that was free
But might never see it again
spiral coral
I still can’t believe sodapoppins spent 132k on steam
quartz adder
How is that possible
spiral coral
Owns like every game and crazy amount of micro transaction
Plus streamer money
Also technically can get write off on taxes I’m sure.
covert drift
this world is crazy ...
spiral coral
My friend owns a Bigbee coffee chain, bought a 2024 stingray corvette, wrapped it in the logo of his company, wrote it off as an advertisement expense for business. Ez free corvette and advertisement.
random ibex
ashen jug just doesnt feel good
ill get all the way to like 42% on mugzee and ill drop my 15 stacks
minor gust
thats the world we live in
just gotta pray theres good changes in 11.2 or its all over
limber dust
when are we supposed to pop the best-in-slots on use when we also have house of cards? not sure which to pop first on pull
rn im just popping house with my 1.5s and then using the best in slots when its up but not sure if thats correct
minor gust
Pretty easy to tell both HOC and ava are 1:30 CD. Always pair those and send BIS with next CS
limber dust
ok got it just wanted to check, thanks 👍
civic parrot
sup arms homies, how does one get higher collateral damage stack?
brave charm
Hi what is better to use a fully upgraded Best in Slot heroic 2h or the crafted 684 two hand?
candid kindle
yo next dinar if i already own a H jastors, do i got for the mythic one or house of cards trink?
icy mulch
sup arms homies, how does one get higher collateral damage stack?
Cleave, MS, OP/dreadnought more?
As long as you're hitting two targets and not wasting globals on clap roar, etc.
civic parrot
As long as you're hitting two targets and not wasting globals on clap roar, etc.
may i ask why it is not recommended to use global on clap, roar and etc? 😄
reef glade
34m mark 
inner wasp
I still can’t believe sodapoppins spent 132k on steam
streamers arent people
they'll get eaten with the rest
wooden lava
🙏 LET'S FUCKIN GO
tacit crystal
2
fast wedge
ty
south minnow
Got a rank 4 on my mythic mugzee prog kill. Happy about it and wanted to share!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JaRZ4ptr9HN23qMy?type=damage-done&fight=53
minor gust
hollow plover
Got a rank 4 on my mythic mugzee prog kill. Happy about it and wanted to share! ...
im so jealous
did u guys not damage hold?
we held for like 10 years
south minnow
Nah we pushed boss before 2nd gaols
hollow plover
yea i wish
my rlead says that fucks with disc priest ramp timer
last bombs
so he refuses to do it
for now
:(
balmy kindle
is colossus m+ build bad on single target?
Kinda below average but better than S1
steel sluice
Who needs colo in m+ when you have slayer, send help xD
thick kelp
slow saddle
Or well lets be honest it does very well🤣, vs the randos i meet. Col is better by a wide.margin
balmy kindle
Slayer just feels really bad when reap is not proccing, also losing DR and shockwave talents blows as well
Sure i get to do meaningful boss dmg but that's not really significant too 
hasty pumice
Yo
In M+ how long do you hold CDs to align stuff / if you know a bigger pack is coming after this?
I know the guide says it shouldn't be longer than 10-15% of the CD, but it feels weird sometimes using CDs. It's hard to describe, so I'll just ask generally
tacit crystal
how big is the pack and are others sending
hasty pumice
Let's assume like 3 mobs at 40% hp, I personally still like to use e.g. war breaker and demolish on them, but I feel hesitant to also use rampage / roar or even avatar there
I do notice it's hard to ask that without context
I'll likely just record my next few keys and ask with clip examples what you would've done
Though in general, do you try to align some CDs? I always try to align war breaker with demolish or set it up in a way where at the very end I'll still get demolish
I also noticed that sweeping strikes with MS spam reduces the cd of demolish super quickly
thick kelp
Crits grant 2 stacks of CM so if you sweep and crit with MS you get 4 stacks per global
hasty pumice
Yeah, just wondering how worth things are. Using demolish at the end of a pack doesn't feel bad since it's up relatively quickly but at the same time I'd lose out on the increased damage taken from demolish on mobs
thick kelp
I would hold a demolish if the mobs are like very lowish or I know it wont be back fairly quickly on the next pull
CS you can send even if the mobs are fairly low
like if they will live for 8s or more
hasty pumice
Do I not try to align CS and Demolish every time tho?
Would you insta use demolish on the next pack and then try to re align or how'd you handle your example
cause rn you'd use CS on the last 8 seconds but keep demolish, so you'd not have CS with demolish at the start of the next pack
thick kelp
the cs would come back most likely
and u dont need to insta send demolish anw
you can set your self up too
charge, spread rend etc
get the AM cdr for your cs
hasty pumice
AM cdr?
balmy kindle
Anger management, one of our core talents
Reduces cooldown of avatar and CS based on rage spent
hasty pumice
oh I just didn't know the short form
I never really asked for much advice before
I've always just played fury and prot before, I feel like arms has way more situational cd usage or rather sometimes you wanna hold it a bit
Cd management was almost non existent with fury
So just so I can think about it more at work: how often do you hold CDs to align / for the next pack and for how long max?
tacit crystal
Reduces cooldown of avatar and CS based on rage spent
only avatar as prot
balmy kindle
Warrior keystone sadeg
tacit crystal
@boreal quartz it might be time to bring back schnappi
boreal quartz
sacred zodiac
Need schnappi das krokodil
hollow plover
tacit crystal
he died agaiin
hollow plover
god damnit gio
wary raft
Shnee shnaw schnappi schnappi schnappi schnap
tacit crystal
Shnee shnaw schnappi schnappi schnappi schnap
fresh spire
https://tenor.com/view/schnappi-das-kleine-krokodil-jump-hungry-try-to-eat-fly-c...
Holy is that him gio
slow saddle
oh I just didn't know the short form
Tbh u can play arms and just send cds when up within reason. Try to make sure all empowered collateral stacks goes of with 2 mp.
Slowly when u get feel try to line it up with cs
quaint otter
Mana points
thick kelp
What's MP? <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
martial prowess
hasty pumice
Mana points <:gladge:963970137701109820>
Always spend your mana 
hasty pumice
Tbh u can play arms and just send cds when up within reason. Try to make sure al...
If you have 2 overpower stacks up and 0 MP, do you use both overpowers to get cleave or one overpower one cleave?
slow saddle
Prio is cleave > ms > op only time u rly care is when col stacks are up. And at that point u op op - cleave
This happens on the last 2 gcds of seeepin strikes
Sweepin
hasty pumice
Wait even on multi target you prio ms? Since OP has the aoe line thingy too
hasty pumice
Man I wish I could follow with all the abbreviations , idk what COL is either 
Treat me like a 5 year old
slow saddle
Collatoral dmg
hasty pumice
I just looked at the online rotas and fucked around, I don't know all the talent names etc
latent moss
Wait even on multi target you prio ms? Since OP has the aoe line thingy too
ms fucks
slow saddle
I mean step 1 rly go look at talents🤣
latent moss
and u dont play dreadnaught
slow saddle
And get a feel of em
latent moss
i mean u could but i feel like
slow saddle
and u dont play dreadnaught
Yes u do in sev keys m8
hasty pumice
Collateral stacks are the ones that are consumed by demolish, right?
latent moss
there are classes that will deal with those mobs
cleave
colossal might is the demolish stacks
hasty pumice
I mean step 1 rly go look at talents🤣
I read through everything yesterday but obviously don't remember all names, I just wanted to see interactions
Now I want to optimise stuff cause at +12 I often end up at ~4m DPS, I feel like I can go way higher
That's why I'm asking a lot rn
slow saddle
4m is fine
hasty pumice
colossal might is the demolish stacks
What are collateral stacks then
hasty pumice
4m is fine
Yeah but I don't wanna be fine, I wanna pump Just gearing up my warrior atm
daring sable
Am i an idiot does arms not have wirlwind
hasty pumice
No, cleave replaces whirlwind
daring sable
ahhh
hasty pumice
Okay good to know that I did the wrong base rotation then, about CDs that's what I thought so far. I also learnt yesterday that Sweep empowers my stuff after it wore off and that rampage empowers my cleave by 50%
I'm missing what collateral stacks do and are there any other interactions?
Also is MS > OP only during sweep on multi or ALWAYS?
And when sweeping ends I want 2 cleave stacks so OP OP cleave
latent moss
always cleave>ms>op
u only use op to buff cleave when you have collateral damage
otherwise dont think about it
hasty pumice
What's collateral damage
Is that the buff that gives OP more damage?
Wheree it goes up to like 45% OP damage
latent moss
when ur sweeping strikes ends ur next cleave does more damage
for each cleaved ability ur cleave does X% more damage
hasty pumice
OH but somebody earlier said collateral stacks, he meant that right?
latent moss
yes
hasty pumice
Aaaah
latent moss
colossal might is more damage on your next demolish and more damage on op
its a colossus thing only
hasty pumice
Is demolish during sweeps a good idea? Cause the first few hits cleave extra iirc
hasty pumice
Okay so ideally I want to reduce demolish's cd heavily during sweeps, use it and then end with op op cleave
thick kelp
@hasty pumice
hasty pumice
Tyvm walhe 
My discord dictionary finally
At how many targets is cleave better during sweep than MS?
Or in general
thick kelp
3
hasty pumice
If sweeps runs out on 2 targets , do I use MS or cleave?
thick kelp
If sweeps runs out on 2 targets , do I use MS or cleave?
ms
if u are fighting 2 targets
ms op cleave
if 3 or more cleave ms op
hasty pumice
And what prio does execute have in ST fights?
thick kelp
And what prio does execute have in ST fights?
Depends on your talents
are you using executioners precision or not
hasty pumice
The one that buffs its crit? Nah, I just copied top arms talenta
So I have the aoe OP talent instead of improving my execute
hasty pumice
i have on clue what is the top warrior talents
Can't use browsers at work , I'll ask a friend to snatch em
hasty pumice
Anyways basicly exe takes spot of slam brothrr
That's what I assumed tyvm
So on ST ms > op > slam / execute?
icy mulch
may i ask why it is not recommended to use global on clap, roar and etc? 😄
They were asking how to get more stacks of collateral.
slow saddle
So on ST ms > op > slam / execute?
Yes. Keep rend up as well ofc
hasty pumice
Ye ofc
Tyvm for all the info, I'll check later once I'm off work how to include all of them easily and for further questions
I'll be back
latent moss
aoe cleave>ms>op
st ms>op>exe>slam
slow saddle
Just play keys u get a feel for when to hold when 2 not
I hold if i expect.big pull inc.
Somestimes it fizzles out sometimes its awesome
hasty pumice
Yeah same I just don't know to what degree it's stupid
slow saddle
Depends on puggy tank
hasty pumice
When tank suddenly pulls them away or knocks them back
slow saddle
I tend to try to get into phys grps
Seldomly an issue once u learn dungeons // when ppl use that shit
Also if u stand pretty close to pack it often finishes even if a knock
hasty pumice
Also if u stand pretty close to pack it often finishes even if a knock
Fair enough
I'll look out for it
slow saddle
It happens so seldomly
I mean setup is pretty long b4 u send demo
Most of the time u wait for mobs being gathered
hasty pumice
On the first pack yeah but as long as I kept my stacks from the previous pull I can send it very quickly, no?
slow saddle
I mean
hasty pumice
Most of the time u wait for mobs being gathered
Obv, I do feel like arms warrior range is pretty dog
Demolish doesn't have a huge radius
slow saddle
Its not the first button u push
Like u always wait for mobs gstgered
Or u miss to many
U clap
U sweep
U wb then demo no
3-4 globals to find position
hasty pumice
Yeah ofc
If I use avatar I also use demolish between cleaves to maximise the cleave cd reduction
But I don't see 3-5 globals as a long setup
The first 0 stacks demolish takes way longer to set up
hasty pumice
Do I prio ms during sweeps on ,3+ targets if I see I used war breaker and could get demolish in if i used lots of MS
Or do I just slightly delay everything to overlap them all more comfortably?
slow saddle
Cleave - tc - roar- rav-wbavatar/sweep cleave/ms demo if rdy
With swep up on 3 u always prio ms?
Or i mainly do
hasty pumice
Earlier somebody said on 3 targets you use cleave even during sweep
At how many targets do I use cleave even during sweeps?
slow saddle
I mean mby even at 3 but m8 both have cd🤣
So i often choose ms if 1 big mob we wanna prio anyways
Cleave also gives cdr on demo
slow saddle
Earlier somebody said on 3 targets you use cleave even during sweep
Rule i learned cleave at 4 if sweep up. But dmg of slam might have changed that dno
But in gen we want big mob to die faster
hasty pumice
Fair enough
hollow plover
Earlier somebody said on 3 targets you use cleave even during sweep
yes you cleave at 3 targets because cleave also has a single target component that gets swept onto another target
hasty pumice
Tyvm
dim basalt
Earlier somebody said on 3 targets you use cleave even during sweep
Sweep does not affect any rotation
Treat it as something passive
hasty pumice
That's a good tip, too, tyvm
shadow ibex
Colossus on two target is like the only fun warrior thing rn
Get max stacks on demo before the demo debuff even fades
If we get a set that makes us cast more mortal strikes 
dim basalt
"When consuming two stacks of EP with MS there is an x% Chance to not consume EP and reset the cooldown of MS"
Maybe add MP as well 
dim basalt
Yeah I hope it was just an experiment and thats it
shadow ibex
I'll take mortal combo back
I miss using sweeping and getting 4 mortal strike hits
4 arms warrior
dim basalt
We also need a passive that makes the weapon 20% bigger tbh
If they dont want to make us a mighty 2h wielder, at least make us feel like one
shadow ibex
Yea but for now
fresh spire
Buff that stacks the size of your feet making your next heroic leap cause an earthquake based on your shoe size
naive sage
Warrior arms becomes like D4 barbarian with all weapons
thick kelp
Mortal Combo
icy mulch
I'd love to have mortal combo back
shadow ibex
Warrior arms becomes like D4 barbarian with all weapons <:clueless:1099922541923...
At the blzzcon they announced shadowlanda
fresh spire
Unhand the beast
shadow ibex
The power point slide talking about warriors had weapon choice and an icon of a hammer
And they said something about weapon choice and that's the first and last time it was ever mentioned
fresh spire
naive sage
And they said something about weapon choice and that's the first and last time i...
Would have been cool tbh
warrior ARMS
the only arms they use are a single 2h weapon
naive sage
I think that warrior arms should be able of 2h 1handers and fury a single 2h weapon
shadow ibex
i think using a bunch of weapons is cool
but barb already does that
and that type of archtype doesnt really exist in wow
naive sage
and that type of archtype doesnt really exist in wow
Yeah of course being forced to drop 4 bis weapons would be madness
icy mulch
i dont think outlaw needs you to get a gun
Can you imagine if they still needed a "thrown" or ranged slot weapon. Like back in Vanilla days.
teal fossil
And they said something about weapon choice and that's the first and last time i...
Remember df beta blunt instruments
naive sage
Just rename arms into Battlemaster and Fury into Berserker and dig into spec identity
shadow ibex
we are supposed to be like the npc warriors garrosh and saurfang and all them
copper garden
Warrior arms becomes like D4 barbarian with all weapons <:clueless:1099922541923...
Imagine the valorstone farm
shadow ibex
we need 1 of those guys from 2025 tho who isnt rooted when attacking
icy mulch
Ugh, I think Gren is the current warrior.
naive sage
If you think about it it’s crazy how all specs are characterized very well, except arms
Take rogue
Outlaw is the classic swashbuckler
Assa is the master of poisons
Subtlety is the lurker in the shadows
Cool af
Arms is simply bland
shadow ibex
idk thrall status
naive sage
idk thrall status
Thrall is the canonic enha shaman
shadow ibex
arms warrior is the master of mobility that is actually the least mobile of the 3 warrior specs
charred brook
Arms should be able to swap between stances that utilizes different weapon types for different abilities that change based on the weapon you’re using
Change my mind
Massive rotation but goated
shadow ibex
that's like being a 9/10 vs 10/10 tho. fury has speed boost arms doesnt
and prot has shield charge
teal fossil
I love bloat
charred brook
And fury should just be slams
teal fossil
I love weapon swapping macros
charred brook
Like a Diablo barbarian
It’s crazy how blizzard literally has a fury warrior in Diablo but somehow can’t make it right in wow
Both specs could and should be so much more interesting
I liked back in wrath when each weapon had a different effect
Maces did mini stuns, swords had chance to double hit
Axes had extra crit
rare swallow
Is Second Wing buffed on Swampface for Arms Warriors
How are they doing 700k HPS
More than a DK
charred brook
I haven’t seen that, can you link it
rare swallow
Is Second Wing buffed on Swampface for Arms Warriors
bugged*
sacred zodiac
swampface's dot just doesnt break second wind afaik
charred brook
Do you have the details or the log
sacred zodiac
it doesnt do more than usual it just does its intended hps in an unintended scenario
charred brook
Yeah 97% uptime
rare swallow
So is he healing 6% every second
rare kite
swampface's dot just doesnt break second wind afaik
Correct. Same with candle king
rare swallow
and it's not breaking?
charred brook
Nope
rare swallow
And Candle King doesn't either?
sacred zodiac
yeah its supposed to fall off when he takes damage but those types of dots aren't coded to break second wind
charred brook
Delete this conversation now before we get SW nerfed
shadow ibex
some effects dont break it in those situations its really good
sacred zodiac
happens all the time depends on what the devs flag the dots as
charred brook
Honestly it really helps in those situations not to have to sit in d stance the entire fight too
sacred zodiac
if you are sitting dstance the entire fight you are griefing
shadow ibex
in theory IV and a health pot are probably enough
rare kite
Worked on rashok in aberrus as well
shadow ibex
just dont look at colossus second wind
rare swallow
Thank you for your help
teal fossil
Axes had extra crit
Yeah like how swords would give 10% crit on execute and axe would give 3 seconds on cs right
naive sage
Sw worked for bursting affix too
spiral coral
Depends on your healer to be completely honest
No chance. You should be switching to dstance to mitigate incoming damage then switch off. Staying in dstance is 100% griefing lmao
shadow ibex
If we ever got a fight that had it be as good as monks porting on mugzee and the rwf has like 4 warriors cuz they can't die
charred brook
No chance. You should be switching to dstance to mitigate incoming damage then s...
Where did I say in this that you need to sit in D stance the entire fight
I actually said the exact opposite
And also, there’s nothing wrong with sitting in d stance for a few seconds to mitigate some damage while your healer doesn’t have anything it’s better than dying and not doing any damage
unkempt wren
Only a casual heroic raider but a few orange parses and 92 overall for raid last night. Yay, I can pretend I'm good
charred brook
Only a casual heroic raider but a few orange parses and 92 overall for raid last...
That’s awesome!
That’s how I started out..being proud of my normal parses and looking forward to heroic..then eventually getting good heroic parses and looking towards mythic..
And those are still way above average if you’re orange parsingbheroic
unkempt wren
🙂 I always try to do well, I raid fairly causally but always aim for aotc with guild. Raid with RL friends and guildies we have gone to weddings for before. Our GM officiated one of the weddings too. This season was my first bigish M+ push. 17pt off 3k. Usually stopped as KSM before xD
rain cipher
Today I enjoyed the LFG queue for 2 straight hours 😀
inner wasp
is there a way to know which spec is better in raid/m+ at any given time or do i just poke my head in the channels and see who's dooming more
like how do i pick which spec to play week 1 of 11.2 if im being swapped off of tank by raid lead
charred brook
Just wait till the first week of the patch and you’ll see what everybody else is playing or talking about and that’s how you find a better spec typically
It doesn’t super matter that early on anyways since you’re just mostly gearing, you can switch as much as you want
inner wasp
just play what you want
i want to play the warrior spec that is better cuz i like em both
simple as
but true
ig id play fury by default
but fury is so down bad rn
tacit crystal
but play what you want
minor gust
but fury is so down bad rn
fury is down bad only in M+ spec fucks in raid
inner wasp
im mostly an m+ player 😭
hollow plover
im mostly an m+ player 😭
inner wasp
i mean rly i do both out of obligation. im a fishing player
pond nettle when
im up to 1000 casts
eager sigil
i want to play the warrior spec that is better cuz i like em both
either look what echo/liquid play or just check in logs what the best play
safe island
I have a question — should I use Sweeping Strikes before Bladestorm?
thick hamlet
if u mean for the mortal strikes during BS, then no
safe island
I'm asking because I haven't been getting good log scores on the first boss
thick hamlet
that interaction was removed
safe island
oh well
Then should I wait for Sweeping Strikes to end before using Bladestorm?
I think I've been doing it wrong this whole time
fast wedge
thoughts on taking ignore pain in M+? im so used to classes with immunity i thought maybe that would be a nice add
minor gust
ignore pain is dead dont bother
fast wedge
kk
dim basalt
Only usable in pvp
But in M+ we are already super tanky
You dont need anything else
dim basalt
What ilvl at what key level
fast wedge
640 and +7-10
dim basalt
640 lmao
But thats okay-ish
At that level you wont see insane pulls where you need to be aware of lots of stuff
fast wedge
i just started this alt
dim basalt
You mean the .5 event?
fast wedge
Nightfall event every 40 minutes, the weekly quest and the daily quests there
you get to 630/640 super fast
then craft wep or low items
and your 640
dim basalt
Gotta check it out I guess
Completely forgot about it because I havent done it a single time
jade ember
if you do 5 masks i think you can buy hero track weaps for your alts too I think
dim basalt
Not worth the effort
fast wedge
and do the cartel chip quest
and ur ready to nub it up on an alt
1 session to get up to speed
dire hinge
if you do 5 masks i think you can buy hero track weaps for your alts too I think
the 5mask tome makes hero-dropped items at the end of runs Warbound
jade ember
Word, I was lazy last week an only unlocked the first mask lol
safe island
I’ve noticed some warriors using thunder clap in single-target situations on logs — why would they use it over rend?
jade ember
Gotta wait until Tuesday to finish
dire hinge
I’ve noticed some warriors using thunder clap in single-target situations on log...
either:
- they're lazy and didn't talent swap off of Tclap from a previous fight
- there's adds in the fight and they want to put Rend on them easily
it doesn't make a big dps difference either way, but in pure ST, tclap is worse
jade ember
Honestly for me it's just a bind diff, if I have Clap I just don't want to bother with having Rend bound to an easy-to-reach button
dire hinge
yee that's #1 above
jade ember
The scenario where you want to Rend one thing but not another that's in Clap range like, never happens
Ye
dire hinge
many people just bind them together with /cast [known: Thunder Clap] Thunder Clap; Rend, so it's just one button for both
safe island
Oh, I see. Thank you.
minor gust
i have low gear so i feel squish
use spell reflect and Dstance more and you will be more than fine
fast wedge
i use reflect a lot but never d stance. i’ll do that
jade ember
Its a powerful on-demand defensive with a duration you choose, it's great!
hollow plover
Its a powerful on-demand defensive with a duration you choose, it's great!
i still believe its among the best defensives in the entire game
acoustic laurel
Does the defender's armor patch sim incorrectly? Can't really think of a good reason why it would be simming as a downgrade to stormbound
jade ember
Not sure if this is what's happening but is its benefit just within variance for your sim?
acoustic laurel
Well outside margin of error at -0.3/4%
jade ember
Hmm, not sure. I haven't heard of any issue with the patch or sims.
rotund mortar
Crafted weapon or hero track best in slots? askign for friend
spiral coral
Weird question. Are they debating on using the chip on heroic bis?
jade ember
Crafted weapon is better than hero BiS.
rotund mortar
yes he doesnt raid i told him to take hero house of cards and craft weap
spiral coral
Yeah hoc or jastors
I’d lean towards recommending jastors unless they have dog water trinkets
jade ember
Droptimizer has a puzzling chip option now, can always do that if you're on the fence
viral garden
how many dps do you think the belt give ?
minor gust
how many dps do you think the belt give ?
5 maybe 6
viral garden
huge
astral yarrow
when it got implemented in simc it was giga bugged which resulted in a 25% dps increase 
red rose
what stats on crafted 2h if its for an alt that might be swapping between arms+prot? haste definitely yes, but not sure about the other, fury prefers mastery same as arms prefers crit according to bloodmallet
astral yarrow
why is the prot thing relevant when the weapon isnt for prot
but you are just going crit haste
fury uses any stat as long as you have mastery jewelery
dim basalt
Prot takes every stat anyway
arctic iris
use spell reflect and Dstance more and you will be more than fine
Also impending victory (doesn't help with one shots but helps with nasty dots)
jade ember
Good old days of Second Winding our way out of having Bursting as a mechanic on us
smoky kayak
Also impending victory (doesn't help with one shots but helps with nasty dots)
Unless you play Steadfast Fury Thane!
shut dust
so in the execute rotation on wowhead there is " Execute to refresh Juggernaut just before it falls"
but in the m+ talents we don't take the juggernaut talent, so does something change in the rotation or no?
minor gust
When reading the wowhead rotation think of it like this. If a line is specifying something with a talent and you are not running that talent you can just ignore that line
weak rain
minor gust
For your case with juggernaut if you are not currently talented into it you can ignore that line in the priority
minor gust
so in the execute rotation on wowhead there is " Execute to refresh Juggernaut ...
Same applies for the executioners precision line if your not talented into EP you can just disregard that priority.
shut dust
thanks bozo
minor gust
tidal rover
is there still no replacement for Cyrces circlet?
minor gust
replaced it a long time ago now
shadow ibex
high enough ilvl ring usually will
tidal rover
671?
shadow ibex
it can vary from gear to gear. i didnt replace it until this week and im like 682
tidal rover
3850 haste/mastery
shut dust
also wanted to ask about stats, for colossus its crit, haste, mastery, versa
is there some cap one some of those? like for example haste 20%
minor gust
no caps
shadow ibex
we cant tell u when it will be bad depends on your own gear
minor gust
warrior generally likes all stats if you want to get specific all your questions can be answered by just simming your gear
minor gust
old school aye
dire hinge
Unfortunately Pawn is far too simple to be useful
minor gust
there was but its heavily outdated way of doing things
dire hinge
the era of "stat weights" was long ago
minor gust
some people think its cringe which their not wrong but new way of doing things is using an addon called simulationcraft aka Simc and then using a 3rd party website called raidbots to sim your character. Will answer any and all gear related questions
shut dust
ok so i have my string from the simc addon, what do i choose on raidbots for it to tell me which stats im missing or what should i focus on?
minor gust
you can use the Top gear function to do everything for you
the robot will do all the thinking for you when it comes to stats
shadow ibex
if you are new to the game/patch, until you are clearing the raid on heroic or doing like +8s, just grab whatever is highest ilvl
minor gust
you can sim every new piece of gear you get or you can add gear that you dont have in the search bar uptop
minor gust
90% of the time that will have to do with your gameplay and not your gear
shut dust
which sim is more close to m+? dungeon slice or hectic add cleave?
minor gust
high ilvl does most of the heavy lifting and minmaxing secondaries stats actually affects very little
shut dust
oh
minor gust
some people like dungeon slice. I dont I prefer ST patchwork and 5T patchwork and just making educated decisions on what I want to prio
stable fiber
which sim is more close to m+? dungeon slice or hectic add cleave?
im a big fan of patchwerk 5t 5m
middle of the pack target count across a large span of time and accounts for cd downtime
where as some people prefer 5t 40 seconds, i personally dont like that one though because it doesnt account for cd downtime as much
stable fiber
(and its the same duration of lust which will possibly (?) prefer stats other than haste because of lust lol)
shut dust
i turned off lust
stable fiber
im not entirely sure if thats true
in the 40 second sim i would turn it off, in the 5 min sim u can leave it on
shut dust
okay its a huge difference, dungeon slice 2.7M dps and 5 patchwerk 5 min is 5.4M dps
dungeon slice seems to be more accurate?
minor gust
its the way they sim
shut dust
i want a sim that is most close to the overall dps after m+
minor gust
Dslice takes an rough scenario of a M+ enviornment so it will sim ST then like 5T and then 10t
where 5T 5 min is just you hitting 5 targets for 5 minutes
stable fiber
okay its a huge difference, dungeon slice 2.7M dps and 5 patchwerk 5 min is 5.4M...
whats your ilvl?
i feel like thats a low ass sim
shut dust
665
stable fiber
hmm
minor gust
Dslice isnt completely accurate because how cds work but its fine for casually simming for dungeon overall
stable fiber
i dont really sim for mythic +, i just equip whatever gear has the most crit on it and call it a day since thats like the best colossus stat
minor gust
i feel like thats a low ass sim
he said he turned off lust so hes prob only simming with Bshout and no consumes wouldnt read to much into it unless he links the sim
stable fiber
yeah that makes sense
shut dust
yeah exactly i turned it all off except bshout
minor gust
Just sim with whatever way you like best. It's not that big of a deal there's no 100% way to sim for M+
latent hull
guys
is void elf always the best race for warrior
or does human take over last season
cause of scaling
rough sluice
nelf
kind sentinel
Hey guys
Do we have cap on haste??
I mean how much haste do we want till we star stacking crit mastery
tawdry barn
Guys if im entering a pack w more than 5 targets, should I really care to put rend on all of em and use thunderclap again or is that just not really that important ?
fathom shoal
if the pack dies quickish no, if they live long yes
tawdry barn
Aight ty for quick response
spiral coral
Imo it’s good just to have it as muscle memory to apply rend at the start of literally any fight but that’s just me
tawdry barn
Yeah I always do that but sometimes there is pulls where there is more than 5 mobs and idk if its worth to spend another gcd in the opening to apply it to more mobs
shadow ibex
i dont think tclap is smart and picks 5 new
tawdry barn
Oh okay okay
shadow ibex
you can move around to try and get new targets but thats not hard science
sweeping increases the number of targets but thats niche tech
minor gust
with constant bleed nerfs rend is whatever
shadow ibex
yea
minor gust
press TC in your opener like normal
shadow ibex
replace a slam with tclap during the pull if u want
minor gust
and dont press it again unless its the only thing available
shadow ibex
if you get OP/cleave/MS all on CD
tawdry barn
Yeah ill focus on executing the other things cleaner for now, thx guys really appreciate the help
minor gust
Cleave > MS > OP > TC
shadow ibex
not only must it exist, it and tclap have to be seperate buttons
calm hollow
minor gust
steel sluice
thought the rend spread from thunder clap was first brought into cata not classic =p
minor gust
cata is classic
wind flicker
Demolish Fucks
serene hollow
*if your target doesn't move out of melee range mid channel
steel sluice
ehh cata is cata classic is classic =p
jade ember
Easier to say Vanilla so people aren't silly about it
twin epoch
what is the best guide for arms, icy veins or Wowhead?
hollow plover
*if your target doesn't move out of melee range mid channel
*if other targets arent standing right behind you
stable fiber
*if your target doesn't move out of melee range mid channel
good thing you can leap, prejump and move during demolish
serene hollow
lol you don't think we've all tried moving during demolish when things start moving away from us
hollow plover
good thing you can leap, prejump and move during demolish
us trying to find away to make awkward less awkward doesnt make it inherently not awkward
:(
magic canopy
35 yard melee range
hollow plover
35 yard melee range
omg hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii madox big fan of the raid parses
shadow ibex
*if other targets arent standing right behind you
Hi we made mobs who blink in melee
You must be ready for all trash mechs and have mobility ready to use this aoe button, but also do less than ret
magic canopy
omg hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii madox big fan of the raid parses
raid parses need to low uppy
magic canopy
too many adds too much pad
next time i kill gally im going damge to boss parse
fuck holding for adds
hollow plover
next time i kill gally im going damge to boss parse
lol
hollow plover
i completely forgot what timer gally adds spawned so i held bladestorm for like 40sec cuz i was used to prot tanking gally
magic canopy
doing a double sale and down like 3 people
crude arch
im sorry if this has been said but do i ever need to press slam as arms?
hollow plover
im sorry if this has been said but do i ever need to press slam as arms?
do you prefer going afk when u have MS and overpower on cooldown?
its our main filler ye
we press that shii
crude arch
is pressing rend the same?
hollow plover
especially in ST
no
You put up rend
when rend is up
u press slam
as filler
crude arch
okay thank you i appreciate that
im lvling an arms warrior and havent bound it yet lol
hollow plover
<@&257983573498265600>
crude arch
That guy has issues
olive nest
hollow plover
the screenshot
minor gust
but what caused it
minor gust
good ol schitzo posting
pearl light
Wrong chat. Either way, you dont like it, I dont give af.
marsh sail
Lmaoooo
zealous dove
🤔
crude arch
damn this guy wears no fear shirts still
hollow plover
Wrong chat. Either way, you dont like it, I dont give af.
You should be ashamed for talking like this
you speak like a mage main
zealous dove
🤣 🤣 🤣
pearl light
You should be ashamed for talking like this
Your opinion is irrelevant.
pearl light
Still irrelevant
hollow plover
you're tilted at your silly little call of duty game
so you go on discord to throw insults at your opponent
mate
no.
pearl light
Says the loser who thinks calling someone a mage is an insult.
hollow plover
Says the loser who thinks calling someone a mage is an insult.
thats not an insult, ur just a mage player mate
you talk exactly like they do
pearl light
Never rolled mage but have fun thinking that.
zealous dove
If only his mom altered time back to before he was born
hollow plover
If only his mom altered time back to before he was born
ait calm down now
zealous dove
🤣 sorry
pearl light
If only your mother learned to spit earlier.
zealous dove
If only your mother learned to spit earlier.
Don't think that's how babies are conceived but sure 😄
pearl light
Who cares, only punk bitches roll arms. Bye losers.
zealous dove
grave mulch
damn this guy wears no fear shirts still
Hes a real Timmy tough knuckles
zealous dove
He just blinked out of this conversation
grave mulch
why bro start randomly crashing the fuck out?
hollow plover
why bro start randomly crashing the fuck out?
cuz of his CoD game
and we called him out on it
grave mulch
OVER COD???? LMAO.... Cod is hella cringe
hollow plover
I MISSED IT AGAIN
ur awful at this
hollow plover
but im not surprised a casual wow player crashing out this hard seems more common day by day
urban iron
I’ve had some really good ones
naive sage
you lose your mind
Real
quiet hare
was that a Rbg player?
light hill
As someone that just started playing arms, what is best tips to be doing
gaunt owl
always push MS on CD
hollow plover
As someone that just started playing arms, what is best tips to be doing
Regarding raid arms - please get the weakauras linked in #dps-faq. One is an opportunist tracker (extremely high prio) and one is a Sudden Death weakaura, which doesnt track SD, it tells you when to use up your SD - it does the work for you.
These two things (when to use Execute & consuming Opportunist) are central to raid arms specs.
light hill
Thank you, appreciate it!
vast helm
when can Blizzard give the Unhinged's nerf back?
sharp wyvern
but then its gonna suck for ST
untold trench
Ok, what if they then buff BS pure dam to make up for the potential ST loss diff
austere sedge
Ok, what if they then buff BS pure dam to make up for the potential ST loss diff...
gamechanging wowza bro omfg ⭐
shadow ibex
Make unhinged always proc reap instead
I been saying this if you could press BS and always knew your are getting reap procs it would be like a real aoe button
And exten jugg if they are gonna make it be this shitty
So im not in bs feeling bad cuz I can't react to SD proc to save jugg unless I cancel it
untold trench
Ya don't enjoy reap being a feast or famine situation? Imagine that, ppl don't like their already weak AoE to be RNG. Who would have thunk.
fresh spire
rather it just be consistant, higher odds/100% when sweep is up etc
reap is the main culprit with slayer that will make or break it in keys really, if reap is good/consistent and strong it has room to thrive, though, colossus just has the alternate idea which is just make cleave harder
change reaps proc rate to scale like 1v5 in colossus 🤷♂️
shadow ibex
I'm just tired of playing the same shit man
Almost every boss has been slayer both raids
And up until few weeks ago every colossus key
fresh spire
i actually locked in fury for this reset for some memes
shadow ibex
Cleave cleave cleave cleave
fresh spire
have a break
fresh spire
what was blast/clap like, shit should own
fresh spire
Seismic bug + clap/blast buff working pretty well for thane
shadow ibex
was just fury on gally haven't done arms in a few weeks tbh
fresh spire
was also playing fury this week, if you got no evoker to pad adds fury feels nice on gally
shadow ibex
Cept heroic rep
slow saddle
Buff demo to be raid spec dont care how
swift crown
You need to stop talking about Warlock
dim basalt
Warlock needs shit
fair niche
just a quick one is demo M+ still ok or is slayer better now?
hollow plover
Buff demo to be raid spec dont care how
fk demonology
hollow plover
just a quick one is demo M+ still ok or is slayer better now?
demonology warlock is better than slayer arms warrior
fair niche
sorry i mean demolish Colossus
fair niche
thank you sir.
tacit crystal
colossus arms is better than slayer arms in m+
i love looking at another specs apl and getting aids
hollow plover
i love looking at another specs apl and getting aids
look at ww monk apl
tacit crystal
nope
already got aids looking at havoc
has like 150 lines of code
for 1 hero talent
fresh spire
dungeon slice/route optimisation
hollow plover
tacit crystal
im looking at github
tacit crystal
look at havoc aldrachi
hollow plover
is that through the raidbots website
raidbotties
tacit crystal
dungeon slice/route optimisation
is it just not worth the time to optimize for dslice?
fresh spire
nah there is defo very minor stuff that can be added like holding cds if packs are dying but to fully go out of your way to optimise for the route copy paste is just stupid, sims are to give a base idea, trying to make the sim play perfectly for a 20/30 min dungeon sim is just a waste of time
tacit crystal
when most people wont have access to tournament realm and only 1-2 mythic pieces per slot
makes sense
hollow plover
tacit crystal
i died on vexie lol
hollow plover
wat
hollow plover
my favourite idiot
tacit crystal
Ethical idiot
scenic sequoia
hello\
scenic sequoia
he admitted to it
what did he admit
tacit crystal
leveling through delves is aids
gala what are your parses rn
are you doing worse than me
scenic sequoia
3 orange 2 purple
hollow plover
gala avg is 94 or sum
tacit crystal
yikes bud
hollow plover
no?
shadow ibex
I can't do another jug tier
hollow plover
I can't do another jug tier
yea you can
tacit crystal
damn gala im better
scenic sequoia
damn gala im better
damn who asked
scenic sequoia
when i get the OAB kill ill be better dw
hollow plover
when i get the OAB kill ill be better dw
You'll die on oab phase 2 causing you to have a blue parse
is my prediction
tacit crystal
when i get the OAB kill ill be better dw
yeah bro
i totally wont ascend on oab rekill
hollow plover
i totally wont ascend on oab rekill
you won't
scenic sequoia
i totally wont ascend on oab rekill
you won't
scenic sequoia
You'll die on oab phase 2 causing you to have a blue parse
trust bro
hollow plover
scenic sequoia
90% of my pull parses are 99
shadow ibex
the entire expansion will be juggernaut
dim basalt
90% of my pull parses are 99
Must be nice to have consistent damage as fury
scenic sequoia
Must be nice to have consistent damage as fury
it is not
i wish we had our burst back
hollow plover
gallywix parsing is kinda rng
scenic sequoia
wdym rng
hollow plover
you have 2 mass aoe events where u really want reap procs
tacit crystal
sd
dim basalt
No crit? Unlucky, your stacked MS only hits for 1.5M instead of 6M
scenic sequoia
meanwhile our execute sucks ass
hollow plover
No crit? Unlucky, your stacked MS only hits for 1.5M instead of 6M <:yep:7034209...
we call that a skill issue sir
scenic sequoia
we call that a skill issue sir
real and true
scenic sequoia
MM?
dim basalt
Yes
scenic sequoia
marksman?
tacit crystal
fury not having execute is fake news
scenic sequoia
tacit crystal
press bt
scenic sequoia
sure buddy
tacit crystal
its true
dim basalt
Tbf MM has one of the nicer executes out there
hollow plover
@scenic sequoia
scenic sequoia
fury warrior chat best chat
tacit crystal
fuck you @scenic sequoia
scenic sequoia
fuck you <@451392607495520257>
hollow plover
<@294878943004327952> why did u @ me here
because i wanted t oshow u this
scenic sequoia
HUGE
scenic sequoia
@tacit crystal why u so mad
tacit crystal
scenic sequoia
chatting about solo shuffle
tacit crystal
pvp is dead to me
hollow plover
gala
tacit crystal
was fun
hollow plover
he doesnt even know where ur country is located