he means myth track tier
#arms
fickle siren
yes, I got 4 set
bronze tiger
ah, sim is always the answer
stable fiber
@fickle siren what trinkets do you have rn
also can you send a sim with your current gear if possible, idc if its droptimizer quick sim or top gear
fickle siren
I have pacemaker Hero and house of card Hero
stable fiber
do you mythic raid and will you kill OAB on mythic?
stable fiber
i was gonna say surely must be an easy plate chest in raid to cata
mugzee isnt it
lmao
yeah mugzee
fickle siren
do you mythic raid and will you kill OAB on mythic?
na, I just do M+
stable fiber
cursed, chest drops off sprocket normally
stable fiber
na, I just do M+
take chest and buy pacemaker with coins
fickle siren
take chest and buy pacemaker with coins
tyvm
stable fiber
npnp
shadow ibex
i thought maybe this was a change but nah
first mythic cata chest in amir?
fyrak
for some reason it didnt feel that way back then i swear
stable fiber
for some reason it didnt feel that way back then i swear
because first 6 bosses in that raid where a joke and chest dropped off nymue normally i believe
shadow ibex
i just replaced my hero tier helm with gallybux. dont think we saw war token on oab kill and only 1 helm in raid
stable fiber
well the chest tier token
shadow ibex
yea
and it was a lot easier to not extend in amir i guess
you could farm up to smoldy
vs i think a lot of guilds extend after sprock
shadow ibex
smold you got 6 bosses to farm
before you have to extend
ig the loot was terrible tho. pips
stable fiber
man dragonflight was hell if you wanted to catalyst a chest piece and not hope for tier
shadow ibex
but we didnt want that
stable fiber
dathea/sarkareth/fyrakk
minor gust
Dathea can sugma nuts
stable fiber
also my first real mythic prog boss ever
shadow ibex
that fight was so ass lol
stable fiber
that fight owned as fury
shadow ibex
i just sent arms
stable fiber
get to the adds and sky rocket on the meters
shadow ibex
and played simulationcraft
stable fiber
i miss odyns fury 😦
minor gust
Dathea was an arms boss for me
serene thicket
Am I crazy or does our damage fall off hard at higher ilvl
minor gust
?
serene thicket
Im doing shit damage compared to other specs and I don’t know why. There’s like 3 buttons to press outside of the opener
serene thicket
Im 680.5 I’ll record my logs and post at some point because something is off
south beacon
was bashing the 5 target dummy for a while. ARMS stll has a much bigger burst top end. Fury however was really consistent with sustained dmg
minor gust
south beacon
albeit a target dummy
tacit crystal
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
havw you done 5 masks
minor gust
thank you sir well put this information in the warrior archives
minor gust
havw you done 5 masks
no I hate horrific visions
tacit crystal
no I hate horrific visions
help me
i need out
i want the achievemnt
but its so aids
minor gust
nope
spiral coral
I should probably watch some guides on the visions
minor gust
I will not
minor gust
visions sucked ass in BFA and they still suck ass today
tacit crystal
i want the nount
spiral coral
I’m just going to top out the level thing that makes it easier and then do the stuff when it’s maxed out
minor gust
get good and complete it then
ppl did 5 masks last week
should be easier now with more upgrades
shadow ibex
its tricky on some classes than others
warr probably not the most meta, although u can reflect that 1 sanity drain in marketplace
void bay
havw you done 5 masks
What's the point of the masks when you can get enchant just by doing the 5 areas?
deft osprey
H eye of kezan or M reverb radio
urban iron
H eye of kezan or M reverb radio
Gonna depend on the fight length and the rest of your gear
grave mulch
shadow ibex
very big gains
random ibex
Anyone else wanna rant with me about charge on mugzee
minor gust
just be patient and wait for him to finish moving before you charge
shadow ibex
if ur really worried about charge
finite ocean
did mortal strike get nerfed? used to do 1.1 million per hit now i only do 790k
fathom shoal
summer inlet
Guys, do I delay Mortal Strike to stack 2x Overpower buffs or should I use MS as soon as it is up?
minor gust
Lol sub rogues got accidentally buffed twice
lime ruin
Pretty sure its always send overpower when you have tactitian proc
errant goblet
do the mortal strikes from bladestorm hit the closest target or the one your locked onto?
rare kite
do the mortal strikes from bladestorm hit the closest target or the one your loc...
hits your selected target unless out of range, if out of range it just hits a random target within range
reef birch
anyone got a good visions build?
minor gust
yeah any build with second wind
reef birch
slayer or collosus would be more helpful
minor gust
whichever one is more fun to you
hollow plover
i have to much mastery for hoc to sim well
did u check with recrafting the stats on ur crafted gear?
solid fox
Does the 100% Whirlwind buff change anything for aoe?
nova marsh
solid fox
Much appriciated
toxic karma
Hi all, for crafting Dawnthread Lining better or Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension for M+
fresh spire
Dawn and dusk threads should beat ascension in keys as it requires ramp up time and constant uptime to keep it up fully while dusk/dawn is always at max value
lilac vapor
hey guys, is it worth to take Funhouse lens on hero track? even if i have HC House of Cards?
minor gust
sim
lilac vapor
kk
quaint otter
Dawn and dusk threads should beat ascension in keys as it requires ramp up time ...
Ye i had almost 90% dusk uptime in the last run
icy zinc
I want to get better att playing around collateral damage in m+. On stuff like a big first pull in a dungeon, or any pull with every CD ready, do you first build up Collateral damage stacks with only SS and then pop every CD as SS ends for a huge Collateral damage cleave?
balmy kindle
I want to get better att playing around collateral damage in m+. On stuff like a...
Use SS then pop avatar with blade masters, the sweeping duration stacks
icy zinc
I often do that because it is easy, but most damage Amps run out before SS ends if you do that so I fear I would lose damage?
dim basalt
warlords enjoyers unite
balmy kindle
I often do that because it is easy, but most damage Amps run out before SS ends ...
Realistically it's hard to min max outside of dummy stacking the first pull ( can't be arsed to do it )
Would run warlords but blademaster is too good 
dim basalt
Im pretty sure the difference between both is very minimal
Especially since blademasters has 0 value in ST
And thats without accounting possible damage loss of not properly playing around blademasters
balmy kindle
My main issue with blademaster is that recklessness lasts wayyy too short though 
, you can barely get enough GCDs in
Blademasters has some value as long as it's not 1T ( majority of m+)
dim basalt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
If CD was multiplicative (lol) it would absolutely be that one
But since it isnt, it doesnt matter much
manic egret
no catch up on cartel chip?
thick kelp
nop
tacit crystal
atm its just 1 week later
manic egret
guess they just cant do things right
fresh spire
I dunno why. My gut feeling is on the breakpoint weeks quests will give those being extra tokens.
If It doesn't then it's bruh
little jay
did they ever fix the animation of sweeping strikes + execute or is this game still literally unplayable
manic egret
did they ever fix the animation of sweeping strikes + execute or is this game st...
its fixed for slayer
little jay
oh huh interesting... thanks for the info!
potent cedar
god I need to figure out how to consistently get those 15 collat + buffs cleaves
boreal quartz
cast a lot of spells during your entire sweep
maybe snipe a smallie with WB for more IFTK haste
if you TC early during pull setup (assuming aggro is ok) you wont have to tc in ss
which is good
tropic umbra
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nJCvSanbdosJcZyDQxKpaS
Why does this sim hate the house of cards? xD
magic canopy
lmaoooo
serene sail
Is it only possible for Arms warrior to get 3 mil + overall is to make use of the sweep when its buffed by 2 x overpowers + active ravager (buff) + warbreaker (on target) + demolish buff on us ?
im asking about M+
hollow plover
Is it only possible for Arms warrior to get 3 mil + overall is to make use of th...
wat
what does overpower buff have to do with warbreaker and demolish
wanton sierra
you need to pay attention on collateral stacks, but dont try too much to allign your buttons, ideally you just 2x op and send it
hexed snow
Bro... 💔 🥀
hollow plover
ah hes talking about collat
also no you can easily ignore collat existing and still get 4mil overall
in an aoe dungeon
or 3mil in smth like TOP
hexed snow
Click the cleave button and you are good on DMG 👍
serene sail
hmm i see , mostly i struggle to exceed the 2.7 mil when it comes to overall .. so i was just wondering if all the other player who do 4 mil easy ..manage to pull off the collat combo via pre-stacking first pulls and what not
hollow plover
pre stacking isnt necessary
and think of collateral damage as another cooldown
like warbreaker
or roar
I genuinely dont know how you do not break 2.7mil unless you're severely undergeared or making severe rotational mistakes
do you have a log by chance?
dim basalt
Pulls matter a lot as well
hollow plover
on a dungeon by dungeon basis for sure but it appears he always hovers below 2.7mil across multiple keys
serene sail
ah guess I just need to keep practising , ty for helping tho .....btw generally you guys use demolish at 5 stacks when you don't have any stacks earlier on such as the first pull of the dung or even then you wait till it accumulates 10 stacks
hollow plover
ah guess I just need to keep practising , ty for helping tho .....btw generally ...
always 10 in m+
pretty much
low stacked demolish after a long pause/death in pure ST where you cant stack properly, i guess
but generally no you have so much crit, that a swept mortal strike gets you like 4 stacks at once
serene sail
ahh gotcha .. thanks man
hollow plover
at least with the reck ava talent
hollow plover
ahh gotcha .. thanks man
I highly recommend logging your dungeons and then going into #1347646810457636974 to get proper feedback
dim basalt
ah guess I just need to keep practising , ty for helping tho .....btw generally ...
Even on the first pull you should be getting to 10 though
But generally, at 10 unless all your cds run out before you get there
fast raptor
ayone elses sims telling them to take echoing void over void ritual?
fast raptor
Void is way better in any aoe scen
which void they are both void lol
slow saddle
hollow plover
Tdev is the true BIS because it shoots laser beams out of your ass
urban iron
Tdev is the true BIS because it shoots laser beams out of your ass
I’m using td as prot because laser ufos are cool and no one can tell me otherwise
hollow plover
I’m using td as prot because laser ufos are cool and no one can tell me otherwis...
this is the way
urban iron
And if one more person whispers me and tells me it’s not bis while I’m gapping them as the tank I’m gonna cry
opal nexus
hmm i see , mostly i struggle to exceed the 2.7 mil when it comes to overall .. ...
im glad someone brought this up today cause im 675 and ive been noticing im starting to not scale very well. im 3k io and i usually sit in the 3-3.4m overall range unless the tank is a psychopath. what ive been doing is watching and mimicking critcakes movement patterns for maximum uptime and its been probably the largest flat dps increase ive ever seen. if that helps. also the highest rank key right now with an arms war is 4m overall dps so that makes me feel better too
hollow plover
im glad someone brought this up today cause im 675 and ive been noticing im star...
warcraftlogs overall is not the same as details overall
urban iron
im glad someone brought this up today cause im 675 and ive been noticing im star...
How the tank pulls will have a huge influence on your dps
As well as the time the packs live
If the packs are dying before sweep is falling off or shortly after you’re losing a lot of collat dps
And if the tank is pulling very tiny your dps will fall off
Also 4m wcl dps is prob higher to 5m details dps
opal nexus
That was also a top which is a low dps dungeon
urban iron
I’m not super arms big brain but I think having a sham would also be hugely beneficial to your dps
hollow plover
its not equal to details dps but its the closes u can get
opal nexus
exactly, his highest cinder was almost 6 so its really dependent on everythiing ellse
hollow plover
I’m not super arms big brain but I *think* having a sham would also be hugely be...
sham is mostly relevant in ST
urban iron
I usually run with a sham when I am forced to dps and skyfury resets are huge in st
You also may want to examine your build - if you’re playing juggernaut/execute you may be losing out a lot if you’re in lower keys because bosses and mobs aren’t living enough for you to really get value
leaden meadow
Hi warriors!
Where can i find good info about rotation?
urban iron
There’s some info in the pins and the wowhead guide has a rotation section
hollow plover
Hi warriors!
Where can i find good info about rotation?
wowhead and maxroll are the two main sites people use
yt videos are useful too
opal nexus
You also may want to examine your build - if you’re playing juggernaut/execute y...
im not running that, i learned very quickly the packs were dying too fast for it
twin hazel
100% increase in whirlwind??
tacit crystal
does nothing
twin hazel
was a hotfix
feral breach
Doesnt help if you cleave is just better
quasi swallow
Heyo one question, why do you double dawnthread lining as arms instead of single dawnthread + writhing armor banding :D?
sacred zodiac
Heyo one question, why do you double dawnthread lining as arms instead of single...
even if that worked why would you do that
urban iron
even if that worked why would you do that
Double armor banding cmv
sacred zodiac
think about it
urban iron
We’re not warriors because we think
warped prism
Ughhh… cant decide ret main or arms. Mainly play keys. Kinda worried ret will get boring after a while but i do find it fun atm
Have 2 dps specs is p cool as the one on pally may get stale after a bit
void sigil
Well you're in a warrior discord, so you know what we're leaning towards 
Personally I find both Arms and Fury great this season - and have plenty of friends really enjoying Ret.
In general you bring a fair bit as Ret, so might be easier to get into keys if you dont have a group
willow grove
basically the only reason to go Ret ^. But idk, as an alt.. zug zug is nice.
sick leaf
even if that worked why would you do that
Because you can manage the swap between arms and fury better.
sacred zodiac
ye ig fair enough
willow grove
And if you think Ret will be boring... I mean... our rotation and shit to do.. isn't that thought provoking.
sick leaf
That’s why you would do it if it worked
But it doesn’t work
So we shouldn’t do it lol
Last night I decided to give up on fury and moved all my crafted pieces to arms focus. Sad day. I genuinely find fury more fun. But arms is just better in m+. Hard day
fast wedge
noob question - can i play bladestorm over ravager with Colossus build? I just really love bladestorm lol
crisp reef
if all the guides say to use skipper citrine (150%) but it sims less then the windsinger citrine(highest stat) which should i use?
urban iron
Ughhh… cant decide ret main or arms. Mainly play keys. Kinda worried ret will ge...
If you like getting invited to keys, play ret
If you like getting invited to keys above 14 without waiting 45 minutes, play dh
urban iron
if all the guides say to use skipper citrine (150%) but it sims less then the wi...
You use what sims the best
fast wedge
@urban iron what about me? haha
urban iron
<@228540157333078016> what about me? haha
Nothing stopping you from playing Bladestorm, is optimal? No. Is it gonna brick a key because you did? Definitely not
You can sim both talents and see how much of a loss it would be
fast wedge
any idea what the loss in dps % would look like?
urban iron
That will be dependent on your gear, you’d need to sim it
void sigil
If you really like Bladestorm I would recommend you to play Slayer instead, but play what you enjoy bud - nothing stopping you 🙂
fast wedge
I am currently playing slayer, but i find the rotatation a little confusing (tracking marked for execution and sudden death). probably cus im totally new to war.
void sigil
You can play bladestorm as Colossus too, but on your opener into packs of enemies your Demolish would not stack as fast to its maximum (10) - but I am sure you could play it. Wont be optimal, but you can play it
As long as you're having fun, fuck it. Play what you enjoy
warped prism
And if you think Ret will be boring... I mean... our rotation and shit to do.. i...
Yeah for sure. I just guess the 2 dps specs is nice for keeping things fresh. Tough call lmao.
If wars we top tier, id prob not have any doubt - id go war. Which prob means I’m leaning war i guess but ye we’ll see. I think arms is p fun. But i do hope for fury to be at least competitive with arms for s3
I dont care about being meta, but I’m def gonna play the stronger of arms/fury
shadow ibex
i bet at some key lvl shit dies so fast BS will probably be more overall
very low key i mean
fathom wraith
sorry for what i assume is yet another question, what enchant people playing, cant find any pinned comments
raid/m+ - hybrid
fast wedge
Yeah for sure. I just guess the 2 dps specs is nice for keeping things fresh. To...
I am giving war a trial run before S3. I am 3k SP this season and often rotate between rogue/priest/monk for M+. i think the idea of war is fun and i am excited to try it. however, i really miss not having spells cheat death, cloak, dispersion, touch of karma and other great utility spells like ring of peace/shroud/mind soothe. if wars arnt tuned to pump, they dont seem to bring a ton except vibes 😦
warped prism
Yeah. Reminds me of somthn like ff14. certain classes have low utility but are purposely tuned to pump. But they dont want wars to pump nor do they wanna give utility lmao. I guess arms dam isnt bad but still not crazy
olive nest
Ion must be a wizard
eager nexus
Which is more forgiving for mistakes arms or fury?
river ridge
I am currently playing slayer, but i find the rotatation a little confusing (tra...
Most people (myself included) just use a WA to tell us when to push. Tracking that manually is buns.
river ridge
Which is more forgiving for mistakes arms or fury?
Fury 100%
eager nexus
If im parsing in the purples as arms. Would I be better at fury?
river ridge
🤷♂️
wheat lagoon
river ridge
What's your gear and experience with fury?
eager nexus
677 ivl geared for arms. But my dps is ass on mugzee
steady coral
Lads help me with super newbie question. Why sometimes my Mortal Strike or Cleave is glowing? What interaction it proccing? Cant figure it out, sorry new to arms trying to figure out 🙂
tacit crystal
usually just being reset
steady coral
@tacit crystal @jovial hare thanks lads!
jovial hare
urban iron
I am giving war a trial run before S3. I am 3k SP this season and often rotate ...
If you made it to 3k as spriest basically anything will feel better to you by comparison
I held out for like a whole expansion hoping to see a second charge in shadow crash alas
It never came
hollow plover
Lads help me with super newbie question. Why sometimes my Mortal Strike or Cleav...
cleave also glows due to collateral damage
steady coral
cleave also glows due to collateral damage
fast wedge
Most people (myself included) just use a WA to tell us when to push. Tracking th...
links or is it in pins??
fast wedge
Lads help me with super newbie question. Why sometimes my Mortal Strike or Cleav...
dude. shit glows and i can’t figure it out either 😂
sick leaf
I don’t think warrior is in that terrible of a spot for m+. If you run a god melee comp, let’s say you have monk/sham/feral/rogue. I think it’s arguable that warrior is the best 5th role. In that narrow defined scenario, we’re in good spot 🙂
hollow plover
I don’t think warrior is in that terrible of a spot for m+. If you run a god mel...
warr should probably be the tank in those comps if you really wanna think about theorycrafting optimizations
dim basalt
Most people (myself included) just use a WA to tell us when to push. Tracking th...
I mean you still kinda need to track it manually on certain encounters
OAB is a good example
hollow plover
hm im not so sure about that, you can kinda deduce where ur at based on execute glowing or not
if weakaura isnt lighting up and exe is glowing then ur always at 1 stack of SD
or am i forgetting about smth
dim basalt
What are you saying
More often than not you need to refresh jugg on adds while hitting boss and the exe WA is not gonna help you if you don't have SD ready
As it does not check for any nearby enemies that are in execute range
Same applies to mugzee
hollow plover
More often than not you need to refresh jugg on adds while hitting boss and the ...
oh thats what you mean, cuz ur not targetting the adds themselves so the weakaura doesnt trigger
yea thats fair
ur right abt that
soft hedge
another hekili W
Why even play
lean geode
Any arms knowers that can tell me if you get the boosted IFTK on warbreaker if any affected targets are below 35%? Or only primary target
minor gust
yes
hollow plover
Any arms knowers that can tell me if you get the boosted IFTK on warbreaker if a...
i know that swept CS gives u extra haste on offtarget
idk bout wb tho
minor gust
just needs to hit any target and you will get the extra haste
lean geode
Bet ty
spiral coral
another hekili W
Actually impresses me how good the dev has made hekili. Its interactions with the game and how well it reads scenarios is crazy and I don’t believe for a second blizzard will make a rotation helper that’s better
hollow plover
(i think playing wow with training wheels is bad)
shadow ibex
probably just draw from it
teal fossil
hekili good
shadow ibex
im sure somewhere in eula they say we can just take ur shit
if not can just put it between then and now
teal fossil
(i think playing wow with training wheels is bad)
its not a training wheel if the training wheel never comes off
you know how it is
sick leaf
Hekili is great, particularly when you’ve never played a class, just learning the basic buttons that are inportant to press and some order to them is awesome. But once you get that up to speed, you have to take the training wheels off
hollow plover
Hekili is great, particularly when you’ve never played a class, just learning th...
Its not good enough to teach you how to play well and it discourages players to actually go out and understand a spec specifically because they are using hekili
Imho
sick leaf
Yea, I totally see that. Guess it’s up to the person to actually learn why they’re being told to push buttons
hollow plover
you can just get HOF with it
True
teal fossil
Yea, I totally see that. Guess it’s up to the person to actually learn why they’...
ye
you can learn to play the spec through wowhead and still dont know why you would push buttons
hollow plover
Someone in my CE raid rerolled rogue mid tier, underperformed with hekili all the time and is now switch to boomin
Boomkin*
teal fossil
was pugging vault on a friends enh a while back
hes out of the town for the week
so i went on his acc to get a vault slot
teal fossil
Selfreport
its ok it was about 4-5 years ago
dim basalt
Someone in my CE raid rerolled rogue mid tier, underperformed with hekili all th...
Unironically skill issue tho
minor gust
good players can be bad at other classes/specs more news at 11
dim basalt
Always depends how you define bad
For lots of people purple parses are good
I wanna neck myself when I see purple
Back then I played multiple specs on a good level but I could never do well on WW
That spec was my nemesis
hollow plover
Unironically skill issue tho
Motivation issue, they didnt give a fk so the result reflected that
halcyon valve
hell fucking yeah, mythic one armed bandit down and even got a 93 overall dmg parse, we balling
shit loot dropped tho but it doesnt matter (thanks, dinars)
unkempt wren
good players can be bad at other classes/specs more news at 11
Yup, give me a caster dps and I'll give you the uber-grey parse of legends
I got a green parse on a mage once. Once.
livid furnace
Hey guys on arms execute
Is it better to go Execute/ Execute/ Overpower/ Mortal Strike
Or should I do 2 Overpowers for the Mortal Strike buff?
dim basalt
Hey guys on arms execute
Is it better to go Execute/ Execute/ Overpower/ Mortal...
Opportunist has a higher prio
So if it procs you press that, else exe
livid furnace
ok makes sense! thank you
spiral coral
Yea, I totally see that. Guess it’s up to the person to actually learn why they’...
Tbh this line is blurry bc most of the time people are blindly following rotations with a talent tree picked by someone else (wowhead) I get what people are saying with a rotation helper being bad and people “not learning the class” but let’s be real not many actually learn the class or why a button does what unless they are hardcore mains of that class
The gains you can make yourself by doing it manually will never be surpassed by the helper, but, it’s not bad and as long as people - 1. Aren’t dying
2. Doing okay damage
3. And most importantly having fun
Then who cares
ripe igloo
Does anyone know roughly how much % wise dps gain is gotten from getting the better helm enchant?
as opposed to the minor enchant
sacred zodiac
you can just sim lesser vs greater if you add all the enchants with some checkbox somewhere
candid pecan
Does anyone know roughly how much % wise dps gain is gotten from getting the bet...
candid pecan
roughly 1%
ripe igloo
TY!
candid pecan
greater is better than lesser
sharp wyvern
any reason why echoing void sims more than gushing wound but ingame gushing wound does more
in ST *
teal fossil
rng
teal fossil
sims are more consistent than your 1 sample in a game
spiral coral
How are you tracking this? Are you looking at details? Overall?
sacred zodiac
so gushing wound is more consistent
sample size: 3
sick leaf
Tbh this line is blurry bc most of the time people are blindly following rotatio...
Agree. I like the helper because it just gets you introduced to the class while not being completely useless. But I’m not an advocate for long term use. Just training wheels, gotta come off eventually
minor gust
the enchants arent that serious just put em on and forget about it
spiral coral
Agree. I like the helper because it just gets you introduced to the class while ...
I mean, it even tells you to buff, interrupt spells, trinkets. So I see why there’s people that don’t mind using it in higher content.
teal fossil
its over multiple bosses
sims are 10k iterations
you could easily just land on the bottom half of the bell curve
plucky violet
i just read the wowhead guide and i will be using arms for raid, do we pretty much never want to use overpower with the explicit purpose of buffing mortal strike?
sharp wyvern
its a filler
plucky violet
ok thanks
sharp wyvern
overpower > slam
also OP > everything when tactician procced
(if you care about min maxing that is)
plucky violet
yeah that makes sense! i did read through all of the talents to get an idea of what buffs what. I would like to do as much dps as i can so ill get in the habbit of doing that
plucky violet
i did like 1.4 m dps just clicking random buttons after i read the guide and it all went out of my head lol
just making sure i dont cleave
and pair avatar with collosus smash and bladestorm on pull
sharp wyvern
i think the sim already answered your question
wintry arch
heroic jastors
yeah in my first sim i didnt have an enchant
iit was much lower lol
tyty
south cypress
I’ve seen the basic opener is roar/ava/ss/ravager/wb then stacked demolish but do I lose something if I don’t hit ss and just use the ss I get from blademaster’s torment? Then hit ss when that ends.
teal fossil
You rather just press SS and then stack blade master on top of it
south cypress
Oh I didn’t know it stacks doesn’t blade master cancel it and give me the stacks instantly?
minor gust
press SS before ava for it to stack
south cypress
Aah so in order to stack I don’t hit anything with ss before I hit avatar right?
Just straight ss avatar
minor gust
your opener should be cleave/TC/Roar/SS/Ravager/Ava/WB
south cypress
Ya I do cleave/tc forgot to say those. And okay I’ll switch it up and see. I’m doing m+ btw so I was asking about multi target. I was sending ravager last to take as much advantage of merciless bonegrinder I could.
minor gust
you can send ravager after WB if you want its a very minor difference
south cypress
Ok ty 👍
leaden meadow
is arms the better performing one in m+? the stats feel on par
minor gust
sure
minor gust
minor gust
there was a few in fury chat an hour or two ago
gaunt owl
let me check and random ping them
oh its only @halcyon breach thats why he got yellow anyhow
minor gust
jovial hare
do you have somebody that i can flame or crashout randomly
hi i think double op is a dumb talent, ruin me
spiral coral
Demolish is fuckin’ wack
gaunt owl
hi i think double op is a dumb talent, ruin me
yes its ruining everything
jovial hare
wait no ur supposed to flame me
calm hollow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fEemqswCrG3Kko3rAFizhL
dude, you sim for 3 mins, with improved SS for ST
also if you dont tick this, it will never use it, only 1 color for all gems
wintry arch
ooof ty
calm hollow
np, it will increase the sim to insanely high iterations tho, with max colors
minor gust
the only correct blasphemite option is the move speed one
most broken stat in the game for any melee dps
calm hollow
need more dam, dont need more speed
minor gust
speed = damage
minor gust
your thinking to small
minor gust
the dmg gain from the other gem is nothing.
move speed goated stat that lets you greed more damage
stable fiber
is skullsplitter not better than 1 point bloodborne on st
ill sim it
5k worse only
kinda surprising
vivid ore
is greater void ritual better for pure ST or the other one?
stable fiber
is greater void ritual better for pure ST or the other one?
void is better for ST
and aoe probably
stark cape
Anyone know what quest this week rewards the 1/2 spark?
minor gust
void is better for ST
its basically even with everything else in ST and much better in aoe
stark cape
Or I guess another question would be is this a spark or catalyst week.
stable fiber
sim disagrees
minor gust
sim disagrees
?
vivid ore
thanks, ill just stick with void
minor gust
woah sims different for everyone NOWAY
stable fiber
yeah im aware
minor gust
also thats a huge gap
god damn
I wonder why its so big for you
for me they were like this and all pretty even
stable fiber
i think its like this cause im big min maxxer for stats
so im getting similar value from all of them
idk
minor gust
I dont feel like that would matter but who knows ive been at the stage of cba min maxing that last 1% that is secondaries.
stable fiber
also
is it worth it to sweep the mines of mugzee to proc reap
im being lead to believe that it increases the chance because bladestorm technically hits them
maybe im thinking too much
minor gust
Idk if you can proc things off immune mobs im not sure
stable fiber
i feel like its a possibility since bladestorm puts the damage increase on them
minor gust
If you could I dont see the harm in doing it tho if you dont need the SS
stable fiber
yeah
minor gust
would be an extremely minimal gain tho but a gain is a gain
stable fiber
might not even be a gain anyways
using a gcd on sweep doesnt seem worth it
maybe on the adds that come down from the ceiling
minor gust
your biggest add gain will be the execute boys
def worth holding CS for btw if your ranged players arent murdering it before it gets to you
raven rivet
is there a certain amount of crit/haste/mastery i should be aiming for on arms?
raven rivet
memes are fun 🙂
i guess im more so wondering, where does the diminishing returns kick in
minor gust
something just not worth thinking about because sims will take it into account
if you care about min maxing gear more than just equiping higher ilvl and following a guide stat prio you should learn to sim
grand idol
30 or 35%, I can never remember which.
stable fiber
your biggest add gain will be the execute boys
i was holding cds for them
would shoot up like 500k dps
but i think i need to send cds as i get them because of lust timing
we are pushing boss HELLA fast
like hes 45% at 3 minutes
gonna be a weird one to parse
minor gust
yeah it all depends on your raid
obtuse terrace
does arms warrior mortal strike reduce healing after a duel in Xav fight in ToP because i swear it didn't return me to full hp when it ended
stable fiber
it does the same for the adds after last boss in cinderbrew
so i assume it does the same in ToP
stable fiber
yeah im hitting a 100 parse on mugzee
guranteed
unless im dead on the kill pull
or i lag
agile igloo
wrecking throw on mythic mugzee worth?
minor gust
damn we crushed Mugzee for our first rekill only 6 pulls ill take it
minor gust
doing first reclear on the ret pally to unlock dinar
think im doin well at 677 with no dinar items xd
ignore Rik I dcd
and Mugzee is fucked because were stoping dps
teal fossil
does arms warrior mortal strike reduce healing after a duel in Xav fight in ToP ...
Ya it does
obtuse terrace
Ya it does
man that is kind of wack
outer holly
strange pine
hello. ive been learning arms warrior and playing with slayer. I noticed a lot of high end m+ slayers dont take cleave? anyone know why?
hollow plover
hello. ive been learning arms warrior and playing with slayer. I noticed a lot o...
you're definitely looking at that shitty murlok site arent you
strange pine
yeah. why you say its shitty?
hollow plover
because murlok shows "top slayer m+ player" to be using raid single target builds
its completely wrong
it scrapes data in a very bad way
strange pine
oh wat the heck
hollow plover
If you do a key as colossus, then swap specs after the key is over, and then log out
it will count it as slayer
strange pine
ah interesting
hollow plover
murlok says critcake is one of the top slayer arms players and he hasnt touched that
strange pine
is there a more reliable way to check?
hollow plover
logs
go through talents there
this is for cinderbrew, mainly
but u can check other dungeons too
hollow plover
is there anyway to sort by hero talents
strange pine
nvm i see it
strange pine
ty
hollow plover
but yeah spread the word that murlok has data issues
too many people think that we play slayer ST builds in m+
i hope they fix it
strange pine
yeah i def will. i thought i was completely missing something integeral about slayer that we didnt need to take cleave. i was like HUH???
but yeah looks like my build it good
sudden echo
it scrapes data in a very bad way
Do you happen to know if archon.gg is the same sort of thing? Or is their information more reliable, outside of checking logs.
hollow plover
Do you happen to know if archon.gg is the same sort of thing? Or is their inform...
archon is based on logs
naive sage
Do you happen to know if archon.gg is the same sort of thing? Or is their inform...
Archon is made by the wlogs guys and it’s based on logs
hollow plover
but archon is also not reliable
or rather, archon is reliable in what it does, but what it does isnt the best thing to look at
errant drift
Hey lads, I was just wondering if there was an improvised seaforium pacemaker weakaura that just tracks when its active or the cooldown for the crit proc. I checked wago and didnt have any luck and I cant make a basic weak aura for beans (i've tried)
heady shale
Hey lads, I was just wondering if there was an improvised seaforium pacemaker we...
If you have any WA that shows a buff, just clone it and change spellID with Pacemaker one
From /wa
errant drift
If you have any WA that shows a buff, just clone it and change spellID with Pace...
That was a good idea, thanks
heady shale
That was a good idea, thanks
I made this - https://pastesio.com/pacemaker-wa
viral locust
Hey lads, I was just wondering if there was an improvised seaforium pacemaker we...
There are legit loads on wago
This one tracks when active and when the icd timer
leaden meadow
apart from oportunist procs what is the prio like in execute range?
is mortal still first?
rare kite
apart from oportunist procs what is the prio like in execute range?
2stack ep ms>opportunist>exe
leaden meadow
if i have no stacks and op available do i op or exe?
rare kite
Exe if no opp. If opp proc you overpower
rare kite
Yeah assuming you have jugg talented atleast
But since you're asking about opportunist that's prob a safe assumption
hollow plover
does anyone remember how to sim different races based on my gear
cuz just editing the race in the simc string breaks raidbots
nvm i think i got it
double nvm, i didnt get it to work
weak rain
give SD tclap instead of jugg, compensate some dmg lost from jugg, let reap proc from WW for lulz
warrior saved
magic canopy
does anyone remember how to sim different races based on my gear
omg hi kronzo big fan i love the euuuu
magic canopy
velf kinda owns its just flat 5% on proc and its even better in your cds
and its useful in mythic raid
magic canopy
got the stank stance
hollow plover
got the stank stance
dont even get me started
your character is more zesty than all those wowtwt people
magic canopy
my favorite modal is for sure fem nelf
prob swap back to it eventually
esp for M+
hollow plover
my favorite modal is for sure fem nelf
"body type 2"
slow saddle
Hmm i need to c how much im loosin by playing dracthyr
sacred zodiac
not enough for it to matter
icy mulch
Fashion to be passion.
fresh spire
I used to play blood elf as I wasn't fond of the other models outside male orc. But moment cross raiding came instantly human day 1 no regrets
thick kelp
velf
halcyon valve
human warrior is just so beautifully normal
(Almost)Everyone else is some magical mystical being conjuring forces of fantasy
human warrior is just some dude named john on a field trip
spiral coral
I’ve been playing Vulpera since I could get it, and love it lmao. It’s so stupid being a tiny warrior fox.
Also make a camp is goated for farming old stuff
weak rain
velf is perfect idk
quasi torrent
rough sluice
Human male warrior bis
dim basalt
Human male warrior wis
wispy field
yo is seasmic bugged for cleave? i try it on target dummies and it doesnt proc
wanton stratus
Hey guys, after playing wow since wrath, for the first time ever I’m playing a warrior. I just had a quick question that I couldn’t find the answer to. How important is it to make sure that thunderous roar or ravager happen inside of warbreaker? Or is it only important to make sure avatar lines up with warbreaker?
wanton stratus
you hold ravager for cs
Thanks. It should align with every avatar then? Or does it get some sort of cdr that causes them to eventually get different cs windows?
tacit crystal
your ravager will desync from cs which also desync from avatar
they both get cdr from anger management
wanton stratus
Thanks for the info
wanton sierra
got the stank stance
are u pushing madox? is an nightmare to get invited!!
void bay
Thanks for the info
Is your pfp okami but a bulldog?
icy mulch
holy damn you look good
Thanks
boreal quartz
@tacit crystalSTS?
tacit crystal
i am going to my brothers graduation
boreal quartz
enjoy
wanton stratus
Is your pfp okami but a bulldog?
I’m going to be honest I’m not sure what okami is!
untold trench
void bay
I’m going to be honest I’m not sure what okami is!
no worries 🫡
white hedge
11 stacks of juggernaut literally 2% to 35% no procs gone
fresh spire
halcyon breach
white hedge
tired and cant apm like hell so arming
didnt know it was so tilting
i cant
why the fuck does arms have the shortest duration on ashen
its like they know its good so they work hard on it to make it ass
tacit crystal
tired and cant apm like hell so arming
what do you mean apm like hell
white hedge
fury having too much buttons to press
im in sprocket and have to move alot, cant find an auto walk position on beta launcher
white hedge
i spam my buttons as fury, until the button comes out
so it feels horrible when im tired
that and sprocket top side conveyor belt feels horrible to move and spam buttons on
like ill be pressing x3 CB before a CB comes out
tacit crystal
if you strafe its easier than pressing w
also surely just dont spam
you're spamming on arms also so i dont fully understand
white hedge
feels like im less paniky when playing arms idk
naive sage
opal nexus
if only the dps matched the memes
halcyon valve
it does if you know where to look
thick kelp
Only relevant metric
swift crown
olive nest
Think they swap one talent to make multi shot cause aimed shot to cleave
Idrk though tbh
teal fossil
think you need to take a bunch of other garbage to make that cleave worth it
also obviously differences in hero talents
its like saying arms only needs to take cleave for m+
icy mulch
think you need to take a bunch of other garbage to make that cleave worth it
Nah, trick shots is just multi-shot causes aimed and rapid shot hit 4 other targets at 75%. There are other talents that can increase targets hit for less damage but it's mainly the one button.
rough sluice
do they call it arms warrior because you hit things with your arms
teal fossil
again its like saying arms only needs cleave to have all their AOE
when you have to switch to colossus/drop jugg/etc which are all ST losses
same thing happens for MM
teal fossil
Nah, trick shots is just multi-shot causes aimed and rapid shot hit 4 other targ...
its not about buttons its more about talent points required and opportunity cost
they do drop a lot of ST talents for m+/aoe
cant imagine its not significant loss
icy mulch
Their ST and AoE is more decided on hero talent choice. They don't lose a lot in base class or marksman tree.
Maybe BM or Survival, I haven't played those much.
hollow plover
Almost p2 first night
the p2 p3 movement around the fire circles and lightnings is a bit peculiar, i heavily recommend u make sure that everyone is very prepared in how they should move - probably smart to suggest that to be looked at once more
languid burrow
do they call it arms warrior because you hit things with your arms
No, duh.
It's called Arms because Warrior forgot how to spell Harms when harming others.
Warrior's class flavor is - we hurt people bad (and we sometimes angry doing it)
grammar is always an option for warrior
leaden meadow
is colossal better for m+?
spiral coral
Sure
vast drum
Was there any point that colossus was better for cauldron? Realized I've been cucking myself most of the season
twin mica
grammar is always an option for warrior
optional option
low elk
huh, tank trinket sims higher than pacemaker for arms slayer pure ST spec
languid burrow
optional option
even more better
teal fossil
huh, tank trinket sims higher than pacemaker for arms slayer pure ST spec
Is pacemaker also 8/8m
low elk
ye
teal fossil
Link sim
low elk
well i already closed it so ill just sim agane
hollow plover
huh, tank trinket sims higher than pacemaker for arms slayer pure ST spec
thats not a tank trinket
shadow ibex
Yea it's not tank trinket
low elk
thats not a tank trinket
oh its not? i got it from vault with prot loot spec
shadow ibex
Also has no value in aoe
low elk
plus it heals so i just figured
shadow ibex
It's just main stat with dmg proc
hollow plover
viscera is just a solid single-target trinket
low elk
surpisingly it doesnt sim higher than the hero track energy drink
hollow plover
and it will usually outperform pacemaker when u have high crit
shadow ibex
They are like variation in diff
teal fossil
Dang it heals for 14k
shadow ibex
At that close I would stick to pace cuz it does something vs another target
teal fossil
Maybe but my point is the damage budget is like 95% of the trinket
shadow ibex
Yea just misleading
teal fossil
The healing is essentially flavor
shadow ibex
This was a dark tier for trinkets clearly
teal fossil
Oh yeah
teal fossil
S3 is just gonna be tww dungs
teal fossil
trinkets should just be active abilities with no stats imo
As opposed to macro it to an ability and make it passive?
low elk
if all trinkets are active then you can only macro one
also it can be stuff like red button or fallen star idk
icy mulch
Puzzle box
low elk
im sure theres a way to make trinkets more engaging
rather than just different shapes of stat sticks
teal fossil
It’s either: active damage, passive damage, active stats, passive stats
And I don’t know about you
shadow ibex
Look at raid trinkets then
teal fossil
But I prefer to play my spec
dim basalt
Grieftorch joined the party
teal fossil
And not my trinket
icy mulch
I think s3 is gonna be a sacbrood + either raid on use, or another delve trinket.
A second proc stats one.
dim basalt
You will always want one on-use though
teal fossil
Well not always but generally on use is higher budgeted
shadow ibex
Mr sprock is an aoe and st with toggle
quaint otter
huh, tank trinket sims higher than pacemaker for arms slayer pure ST spec
since when viscera is tank trinket?
dim basalt
Well not always but generally on use is higher budgeted
Just has a lot more value for burn phases or good execute timers (and big M+ pulls)
And honestly I cba swapping trinkets
shadow ibex
Bring back old warriors soul
dim basalt
Is warrior worth trying out in MoP?
hollow plover
Is warrior worth trying out in MoP?
do you enjoy SMF?
dim basalt
What's smf
dim basalt
Why not
hollow plover
2x1handers, 2x2handers
shadow ibex
Smf falls off in t2
When stormbolt starts to take off
Since it's weapon damage
Like 600% twice
Should come down to weapons you see tho Get 2 starshatter and ur definitely playing tg even if smf is better
warm forum
for M+ im wondering if i can drop ravager for Bladestrom on the collosus build ? im fairly new to arms and im not that keen on the ability
teal fossil
Then play slayer
icy mulch
It's only about 15-20% different.
warm forum
so stick to ravager then pretty much
shadow ibex
Maybe at low key levels things die so fast you can burst with BS
minor gust
for M+ im wondering if i can drop ravager for Bladestrom on the collosus build ?...
real answer is just play slayer if you want to play with bladestorm
Bladestorm is just massively bad for colossus
warm forum
will there be a damage difference in slayer M+ compared to Collosus and if so how much
minor gust
yes colossus is overall better but after the last round of tuning buffs with slayer its not much behind. Last I simmed the build Ive been using was about 4.5% behind in aoe but 2% ahead in ST very much playable in high keys if you wanted.
warm forum
Okay thanks for your help
empty basin
hi, rotation question in aoe m+. Do we prio cleave and or mortal strike > overpower even with martial prowess stacks? or do you always want to send a 2 stack version?
magic canopy
are u pushing madox? is an nightmare to get invited!!
ya
empty basin
ignore Martial powess
tyty
magic canopy
omg hii madox big fan of the mojo yoinking
fresh spire
https://tenor.com/view/cat-nose-scrunch-foxmel-gif-23883041
I can hear the crunch
magic canopy
he cronch
wanton sierra
CHOMP CHOMP
smoky kayak
Smf falls off in t2
that's not really tier dependent, SMF is very slightly better ST and TG better MT in MoP
But w/ 5.4 design, Arms is prob gonna beat the pants off Fury till SoO anyway
hollow plover
that's not really tier dependent, SMF is very slightly better ST and TG better M...
did you enjoy MoP warrior specs?
covert drift
I've played 2 iterations of mop through private server and with 5.4.8 tuning arms will be S tier specs from the start well into the end of the expansion
Fury can only compete and beat it in some fights with SoO heroic gear
Fury mop needs a lot of crit to come online
Another S tier will be frost mage but fire will overtake it with 5.4
Suv hunter is another S tier at the start but don't scale well into later
smoky kayak
did you enjoy MoP warrior specs?
5.4 design is peak for both specs, Fury just takes a good amount of gear before Enrage becomes reliable
covert drift
5.4 design is peak for both specs, Fury just takes a good amount of gear before ...
A lot of people will feel weird with slam being strong lol
smoky kayak
who cares
covert drift
just saying
smoky kayak
"a lot of people" generally don't know their ass from their elbow in this game 
hollow plover
5.4 design is peak for both specs, Fury just takes a good amount of gear before ...
I assume good design = you enjoy the specs?
cause a lot of people might not enjoy it despite it being designed well
based on balance maybe
covert drift
IMo a good design is a spec that is easy to learn and grasp the concept but hard to master
smoky kayak
The big thing for Arms is that it has great multitarget throughput, which is basically all you care about early in the expansion. Fury still bursts well on add sets though
Arms and Fury both got reworked in 5.4, and while Arms ended up getting pretty well overshadowed by Fury at the time, going into a fresh expansion with that design is going to blast
covert drift
I also enjoyed the CS resets
But man, come 5.4 it's Aff Lock time
Maybe blizz tune it down a bit
Idk
smoky kayak
I assume good design = you enjoy the specs?
yes, they're both fun and well designed
well, by today's standards Fury's gear dependency is arguably not designed well
smoky kayak
but at the time it was fine, since it was already late in the expansion
covert drift
well by today standards every spec should be playable ate pve
but for the longest time there was some specs that was the "pvp" spec of the clas
smoky kayak
I mean... not entirely true
Arms was the "PvP spec of the class" and it was still more than viable in PvE
digital sky
Someone have a weak aura to display which stats is buffed with best in slot proc weapon ?
smoky kayak
"viable" is a word that has a very broad definition depending on who you ask though, a lot of people confuse it with "optimal" but they really don't mean the same thing
covert drift
Arms was the "PvP spec of the class" and it was still more than viable in PvE
I don't mean just in MOP i mean from way back, like WOTLK and Cata
Arms was good on cata but others like frost mage was kind of a meme
hollow plover
Someone have a weak aura to display which stats is buffed with best in slot proc...
out of curiosity - how come you want this weakaura?
covert drift
By playable i mean competitive
smoky kayak
Even then, they were a lot more viable than people like to give them credit for
covert drift
I think MOP was the start of blizzard trying to make every spec competitive at PvE
digital sky
@hollow plover wdym ? i like to know which stats i have buffed
smoky kayak
Arms was good on cata but others like frost mage was kind of a meme
You mean ingoring the whole huge span of the game where Frost Mage was literally the only viable spec in PvE? lmao
hollow plover
<@294878943004327952> wdym ? i like to know which stats i have buffed
I mean sure i get that, it's just that your gameplay wouldnt change
so im kinda wondering
covert drift
You mean ingoring the whole huge span of the game where Frost Mage was literally...
You mean classic?
smoky kayak
but the real difference is that there's been a huge content shift within the game, largely due to the advent of M+
digital sky
@hollow plover nah it's purely cosmetic i just like to know
hollow plover
fair fair
covert drift
I would love to play pandaland with m+
Imagine that
Ik some ppl hate m+
but it's a reason to log in
smoky kayak
before M+, the "AoE specs" weren't highly valued in the majority of PvE, because there was simply no place to use them - raid adds died too quickly and there was no competitive small group content
hollow plover
I would love to play pandaland with m+
smoky kayak
so ST specs, and occasionally low-target cleave specs, largely reigned surpreme in PvE
hollow plover
epic
smoky kayak
Yeah they're gonna do something similar to the Wrath and Cata Titan Rune dungeons
but it's not really M+
smoky kayak
and that does provide a little more room for those multitarget trash specs to shine
covert drift
idk if 11.2 sucks i'll stick to pandaland
smoky kayak
but I was referring to the actual content at the time, not classic shenanigans
covert drift
Oh i see
Well this topic has a lot to discuss more than i am willing to type
old hands
fingers hurt
rare kite
really looking forward to MoP arms. perma ss and it looks like slam is actually satisfying to press
and ofcourse cs resets
minor gust
currently lvling a warrior on cata as well
minor gust
no clue what titan rune dungeons are
Was slightly more difficult versions of the dungeons that rewarded previous tier raid loot. Helped keep dungeons relevant throughout the expansion
wooden lava
really looking forward to MoP arms. perma ss and it looks like slam is actually ...
slam?
wasn't it heroic strike back then
minor gust
slam slams
wooden lava
oh wtf
wooden lava
holy shit i remember these vids
dim basalt
kekw
minor gust
I have no idea how it holds up today but still fun to look back at
dim basalt
Man
dire hinge
old talent tree 
dim basalt
Who the fuck came up with these things
"Lets just put cc and dps cds in the same row lol"
minor gust
I hated and I still do hate MOP trees
also TBF stormbolt did dmg back then
wasnt really a cc
minor gust
idk
dire hinge
differnt content types, i dont really remember
dim basalt
I barely played mop
Think when it released I was hpal and at the very end of the expac I played hunter
And stayed hunter all of wod
Hunter was so good in wod man
dire hinge
MoP was the first expansion I "really" played. Finally had stable income and enough to purchase a sub it'll be nice to revisit for a bit
rare kite
Surely not comparable to avatar tho
that is true. it's better than avatar
did insane damage
dire hinge
i was a ret paladin on a heroic raid team and my only job was to cast Rebuke if anything was casting 😂
rare kite
stormbolt on a target that couldnt be stunned did extra damage
dim basalt
oh
minor gust
500%
hollow plover
im not convinced that wrecking is worth thinking about no matter how many people play that shii
minor gust
its the M+ build you struggle to find points for it
Plus Wrecking is nice on other bosses when your outta melee range or when you charge into the boss on pull
dim basalt
Ye it has nice base damage now
rare kite
holy moly
daring heron
steep osprey
Surely not comparable to avatar tho
Avatar is a 3 min cd in MoP
You don’t use it usually
dim basalt
Yikes
dim basalt
MSR would be nice for M+
steep osprey
There are logs for each boss for a mop pserver if you wanna see how the classes performed
Spoiler alert: aff warlock
spiral coral
this as well. maan warrior really has fallen far
MoP spells
minor gust
I need off gcd abillities back in my life
steep osprey
Here’s this if you wanna check logs for mop on a pserver https://tauriprogress.github.io/tauri/raid/Siege of Orgrimmar?class=&difficulty=6&faction=&realm=[HU] Tauri WoW Server&role=&tab=0
It’s pretty accurate at those gear levels
If it’s not a tank with high vengeance, then it’s either aff or destro
rare kite
If it’s not a tank with high vengeance, then it’s either aff or destro <:critcak...
eyo galakras warrior nr1
steep osprey
Was slightly more difficult versions of the dungeons that rewarded previous tier...
They provide LFR raid loot now
At least for DS they did and that’s when LFR was introduced, most likely the same the thing now