even at its best
#arms
shadow ibex
it made sure execute couldnt hit hard
cuz why the fuck 15 stacks. and it was 5% each at one point
or am i crazy
errant goblet
or am i crazy
original jug was 5% dmg increase stacking 99 times 🙂
then nerfed to 3% 99 times
the good old days of legion...
tacit crystal
hi choco
wanton sierra
i do, better for st
swift crown
Yea they need to make it so you actually do most of your damage by playing your class
shadow ibex
post this to make @minor gust cry
shadow ibex
free 20 rage ability
(ignore you'll have generated enough rage to cast cleave by the time CD is up)
arctic iris
Yeah, arms hates spending rage
Maybe we can get deadly calm back, it's what the spec is missing
shadow ibex
jug removed for DC
warm sonnet
Question how do you get myth track M+ dung trinkets? is there a specific requirement or just random chance with myth slot in vault?
hollow plover
Question how do you get myth track M+ dung trinkets? is there a specific require...
either from vault of you can buy them with dinars once you have resil 12
shadow ibex
the sos change had literal 0 thought behind it
lot of our talents
just some dweeb justifying their job
dance of death
minor gust
chatgpt make me a warrior talent that works for cleave and whirlwind
hollow plover
chatgpt make me a warrior talent that works for cleave and whirlwind
i believe they unorinically use chatgpt for balance now
negl
minor gust
generic chance to make thing that costs something a chance to be free wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
if only that mattered for arms warrior
the only potential new SOS has to be useful talent is with a WW spam build, but the joke is the SOS change came on the same patch notes that they made the cleave changes replacing WW and working with all ww talents. Killing WW completely while also making both hero talents have special functions for cleave only not cleave and WW
shadow ibex
improved slam
hollow plover
improved slam
minor gust
dammit man you got me thinking about all the dumb changes they made going into TWW now
why you do dis to me
rare kite
dammit man you got me thinking about all the dumb changes they made going into T...
so what dumb change is coming in midnight? unhinged casts slam instead sounds good
minor gust
demolish turned into evoker hold mechanic and takes longer to cast
and when you cancel it it goes on cd
rare kite
demolish turned into evoker hold mechanic and takes longer to cast
if it no longer requires target that's an upgrade
minor gust
still requires a target
rare kite
ofcofc
minor gust
imagine if they actually do make changes to demolish and they change it for the worse
so many options to make it good and they some how find a way to make it worse
rare kite
would not surprise me, i've lost faith in arms design
minor gust
if jugg is not significantly changed or removed in 11.2 im quiting arms in raid cba with that shit for another tier
shadow ibex
feels like feedback just doesnt get to them or listened to
why we have to be the demolish root experiment idk
minor gust
well see they decided not to do any mid patch class changes this time so im waiting to see whats cooked up for 11.2
shadow ibex
that post could be from anytime since bfa
minor gust
if its another we are happy with the state of warrior im loggin out
rare kite
if its another we are happy with the state of warrior im loggin out
you just know it's gonna be
rose matrix
The worst thing is when you pug with a dh tank and don't see sigil
Just had my demolish deleted pretty 0.5 seconds after I clicked it
First hit audio didn't even come out lol
shadow ibex
doin key with aug and balance
my demos started hittign when i stopped casting them when i wanted and waited a second. sure enough each time
insta knocked
play around other people abilities in pug 🙂
rare kite
i am glad there are people that can be optimistic
rose matrix
I am not expecting anything based off the dumb buffs warrior has gotten this season
Seems they have no clue what the issue is
minor gust
I mean they do the only out of place buff was the WW one
rose matrix
I mean they were pointless though
shadow ibex
rose matrix
They made no impact
grand idol
surely right
I believe.
rose matrix
The biggest buff was to WW and the rest is negligible
rare kite
i mean the rest does not exist
minor gust
slayer buffs with reap and BS made it much more M+ viable
which is what slayer needed due to bad aoe
rare kite
oh you're talking overall buffs. not just the latest one
rose matrix
Thane Fury is already ass
Slayer is even worse
They need a lot more than the buffs they got
grand idol
Theyre actually fine. Mass pulling and padding is just what this season is about.
minor gust
Fury needs changes not buffs
minor gust
your not gonna get big changes on a tuning patch
rose matrix
My expectations aren't high. We sucked last patch and we still suck now
minor gust
it was clear with 11.1.5 that there werent gonna be any mid patch changes
its an 11.2 waiting room
minor gust
rose matrix
I still think Fury could have gotten a lot more and it wouldn't have been an issue
They also gave Fury a horrible tier set
strange perch
minor gust
yee been like this all tier
fast wedge
TLDR - how the hell am i supposd to use cleave?
just multi target to apply DW or do you use it again even if DW is up?
shadow ibex
just use it on CD in aoe
fast wedge
thanks
everyone says arms is zugzug, but i swear i find this more confusing than my mains (SP/Rdruid)
hollow plover
everyone says arms is zugzug, but i swear i find this more confusing than my mai...
arms is not zugzug.
fury is
people who say arms is extremely simple in aoe dont know how to properly play arms
fast wedge
yeah there seems to be a decent amount of stuff going on
warm fog
That interquartile range is kind of impressively tight
Single target balance is honestly pretty good right now
hollow plover
yeah there seems to be a decent amount of stuff going on
i mean we press like 7 GCDs before we even go into aoe rotation
fast wedge
yeah i find this to be kinda confusing...idk if the guides make as much sense to me as other classes for some reason
prob cus i have NEVER played war and everythings entirely new
hollow plover
yeah i find this to be kinda confusing...idk if the guides make as much sense to...
its beginner friendly
fast wedge
thanks!
hollow plover
what madox made
fast wedge
havent found a good vid yet so excited
hollow plover
havent found a good vid yet so excited
just know that a good bit of this is about single target raid stuff
you can skip to m+ stuff
rare kite
some probably have higher fury sim even
my fury is like 50k higher than arms or something
languid fiber
can warriors leap over jails on mugzee?
rare kite
once you're fully incased no. there's a trick to leaping as the cage forms or something but i've not tried it myself
heard the timing is real rough
hollow plover
can warriors leap over jails on mugzee?
yes we can but its inconsistent, unreliable even with weakaura help. Should never be relied on.
shadow ibex
friends dont let friends jump outta jail
rare kite
just interrupt the guy then void elf out
languid fiber
yeah they were just asking me if warriors could but i never tried in heroic cause i was farming execute stacks tehehe
hollow plover
I mean yea it does work technically
hollow plover
DH cant really do it
double jump into double vengeful to get out
stable fiber
isnt vengeful retreat a dps cd
dire hinge
living > dps
rare kite
isnt vengeful retreat a dps cd
yea but on like a 25s cd
hollow plover
isnt vengeful retreat a dps cd
yesn't, kinda not really, it gives you bonus resources but you also have these bonus resources the moment you jump out of the cage so its completely fine
stable fiber
i see
minor gust
Well Archi did say it would be the last ones
manic pasture
What's the difference between col arms and mt fury in m+?
hollow plover
What's the difference between col arms and mt fury in m+?
colossus arms is clunky but it actually deals aoe damage
manic pasture
liek damage wise
heady shale
What's the difference between col arms and mt fury in m+?
Colossus Arms actually gets invites in keys 
hollow plover
liek damage wise
colossus arms can hit more than 5 targets making its aoe output stronger at high target counts. fury is way better at prio damage onto high priority adds though
fury also slaps bosses real good
manic pasture
I was looking for like a %, I know that fury is gimped on targets
hollow plover
thats not a thing that exists
you can't look for a fixed % difference when they do different things at different points in a dungeon
and in terms of overall - it entirely depends on the dungeon
and it entirely depends on groups too.
shadow ibex
gally ded
shadow ibex
740
dire hinge
as if we get this ripped off by wowhead
just be patient it's coming ❤️
shadow ibex
hm i feel that u can easily do much better
bandit and sprock was really good i think
stable fiber
colossus arms can hit more than 5 targets making its aoe output stronger at high...
colossus arms actually owns so hard on some 2-3 target packs
like last pull of motherload i think i was doing like 7m dps on just the 2 targets
never seen those 2 mobs die so fast ever
tacit crystal
Well Archi did say it would be the last ones
no i cant read
hollow plover
colossus arms actually owns so hard on some 2-3 target packs
in cooldowns yea agreed
colo arms does some nasty work
Just had a fotm DH do this "perfect route" as he called it, we were at 95% before getting to the last 2 robots in motherlode and he pulled all the bombs and an extra robot so he "has enough percent"
shadow ibex
Maybe a 2t fight in new tier
vast surge
Guys, demolish still sucks ass
rare kite
I'll take demolish over slayer jugg sd gamba anyday
vast surge
Sure it's consistent, consistently ass. LMAO!
hollow plover
Guys, demolish still sucks ass
It‘s kind of a skill to know when you‘re able to use it on what target, but its dumb that we even have to think about it in order to avoid it either canceling or missing enemies behind our player character
So yea its ass
Agreed
rancid knot
am i just a bad player or is the multitarget raid build absolutely garbage?
even in multitarget fights
stable fiber
am i just a bad player or is the multitarget raid build absolutely garbage?
there isnt like a good multi target fight for arms
to warrant playing the multi target build
the only fight demolish is good on is stix
and even then :
demolish is bait on OAB and anyone whos playing it is wrong
seems nobody plays colossus on OAB anymore so thats a plus
the multi target build is just improved sweeping strikes pretty much and that is our multi target build in this raid
drifting idol
stable fiber
maybe next raid we get a real 2 target fight or a primal council like fight again
hollow plover
am i just a bad player or is the multitarget raid build absolutely garbage?
the arms talent tree is absolutely hideous so you end up having to give up too much to do a tiny bit of aoe
rancid knot
got it 👍
vast surge
It‘s kind of a skill to know when you‘re able to use it on what target, but its ...
Yeah, I don't mind having parts of the kit that require you to think about what you're doing but with demolish you can be thoughtful and then get cucked cause someone decided to typhoon to stop a cast.
hollow plover
Yeah, I don't mind having parts of the kit that require you to think about what ...
this is indeed true
hurts every time
vast surge
hurts every time
i cry everytime
naive sage
I think both hero trees are boring and cringe
Just compare them to shaman’s
Cool af all of them
slow saddle
I like col
hollow plover
Colossus would be really cool if demolish wasnt so awkward to use
slow saddle
Y
slow saddle
Also in m+ col stacks should be deleted
I like the big number. But its annoyin gameplay
Thane shouldda been arms
Slayer should somehow be fury exclusive
vast surge
annoying that colossus might stacks only last 20secs
naive sage
Thane is cool
slow saddle
Thanes abilities would 100% make sense
As arms
Big claps big ms love it
It would be like riders for dk
Doesnt add but looks cool🤣
Tbh though slayer if u could remove juggernaut pre 35%
Would be "fine"
steel sluice
Well who knows maybe we will have access to all the hero specs next xpac or the last one in the series, I think I remember an interview where it could be a thing
slow saddle
I for one cant wait to ditch slayer. Unless they remove juggernaut
dim basalt
Well who knows maybe we will have access to all the hero specs next xpac or the ...
I really doubt theyll do that
Would have to develop them for the missing specs
And they cant even balance them properly as is lol
steel sluice
But would cost less than make a new spec, small indie devs
terse raven
Pretty sure the point of hero specs is that they can ditch them in midnight and do something new, be it new hero specs or something else
balmy kindle
As arms
Thane is kinda vanilla though, mostly provides qol stuff for fury.
Colo demolish for all it's badness feels pretty fun to use (as long as the numbers are cranked up )
dim basalt
But would cost less than make a new spec, small indie devs <:keks:93623161085089...
Absolutely not
Keep in mind how many specs there are
steel sluice
So making it to where mountain thane affect arms is to much =p same thing with the other classes I doubt that would cost more
slow saddle
Thane is kinda vanilla though, mostly provides qol stuff for fury.
Colo demolis...
Which is why i still think thane as arms + collosus would be 2 better playstyles
naive sage
Quit the yapping the only thing that matters is that as thane you send big ass lightnings
fresh spire
Pretty sure they said hero talents are evergreen
naive sage
Visuals > mechanics
slow saddle
Quit the yapping the only thing that matters is that as thane you send big ass l...
That is the point
Visual change and u get a bigger ms, while playing standard rotation.
spice stag
two button. harder i smash, bigger damage.
fresh spire
naive sage
no-WA arcane mage barrage conditions
I said complex not full bananas
wanton sierra
hey you guys use alchhemical chaos?
fresh spire
Wait having the cringe sd usage isn't complex enough for you
latent moss
Wait having the cringe sd usage isn't complex enough for you
if it wasnt solved by a wa
maybe
dull siren
SD Usage is 0 brainusage
latent moss
- it was annoying before the wa
dull siren
eh
it's w/e I moved over to padding for farm now instead of arms
0 brain usage on Fury
blissful tree
btw. are there any warrior players in contact with blizzrd giving them feedback? or is this only because of players like critcake/madox talking about warrior in their streams?
dull siren
No, There is ppl in contact
astral yarrow
warrior good
daring heron
if they listened to me we'd have legion arms and target caps lifted
astral yarrow
no reason for changes
daring heron
astral yarrow
leapquake pants or i quit
quaint cosmos
on that note, do u guys think legion classic is coming out in the future?
bronze oxide
legion remix gives me hope
fresh spire
Legion classic surely will comr
fresh spire
if they listened to me we'd have legion arms and target caps lifted
Warrior op for a week. Nerfed Into the ground never to rise again
fresh spire
btw. are there any warrior players in contact with blizzrd giving them feedback?...
There is people with contact. Ofc feedback is given but it depends of big man blizzard wants to care or not
daring heron
Warrior op for a week. Nerfed Into the ground never to rise again
i'd take that as long as caps stay lifted
fresh spire
daring heron
with these caps we just lose by default
fresh spire
I enjoy being mediocre (warrior for 4 expansions)
dim basalt
We were op in week 1 this season 😎
magic canopy
Please listen to Critcake mr blizzard
blissful tree
i just find it hard to believe what blizzard are saying about intuitive gameplay. and i find it VERY counter intuitive to wait for 3 stack mark for execution and then press my sudden death proc. in my brain, when a button glows, i wanna press it. or a 3 stack marked for execution sudden death should give 3 stacks of juggernaut. i really hope that there will be a solution about that in the next season
fresh spire
magic canopy
i remember in DF the patch before aug came out warrior would have been played in the mdi
then the lizard came
fresh spire
i just find it hard to believe what blizzard are saying about intuitive gameplay...
Juggernaut is the main culprate for cringe. We are hoping they lower the stacks/kill it
dim basalt
Jugg + Slayer ye
daring heron
i remember in DF the patch before aug came out warrior would have been played in...
DF s2 before the .5 patch hit
fresh spire
Warrior go die
magic canopy
I member
fresh spire
I sad
daring heron
mage sp aug was crazy
fresh spire
Imagine buffing both dos specs and adding Aug instantly killing the pre meta to Aug release overnight
Actually wild
slow saddle
Jugg + Slayer ye
Both are fine on their own butt together an awfull experience
naive sage
So called god comps are the ruin of m+
I can accept like 5-6 dps specs being top tier but not abominations like the mage-sp-aug season
Current season has dk balance arcane but there are physicals comps too
daring heron
Critmage arc
I am upset
magic canopy
legendary video
boreal quartz
critwl
daring heron
I've been too busy enjoying e33 to care too much about wow lately
but now it's done
drowsy eagle
man my boss dmg feels so trash on arms in dungeons
crazy compared to my enha
are there any common things people fuck up on single target that i should look out for? feel like i'm doing the rotation ok, i guess my ravenger usage could be better but that's the only major thing in my mind
dim basalt
How much dps do you do at what ilvl
drowsy eagle
i'm 660ilvl atm with 4set and do like 1.6mil on some bosses (without lust)
dim basalt
For 660 thats fine tho?
wanton sierra
flask of alchemical chaos is better than that one that gives crit ?
drowsy eagle
ah fair lol - maybe my perception is off, cause my 667 enha does like 2mil
but if that's what to expect on arms then so be i
dim basalt
We chill at around 2.5M+ at 680
wanton sierra
We chill at around 2.5M+ at 680
as colossus on dungeon bosses we do decently enough
drowsy eagle
fair, just need to get more gear i guess
dim basalt
ye
drowsy eagle
on AoE i feel strong
dim basalt
Arms is like middle of the pack in terms of boss damage in dungeons
Not good, not bad
wanton sierra
ye we do decent in every situation... but the hier keys, the bigger the gap from meta to us
spiral coral
I’ve felt the gap as fury, not so much as Arms but I’m in 15s
spiral coral
You can only go 3rd on damage meters for so long before you kinda just say “fuck this”
wanton sierra
with my team i feel weak
damn critcake, with my friends i feel strong, but when i play with gamers i feel weak xD
flat willow
daring heron
tbf this was a really good overall for arms in rookery 19
rookery is a lower overall dps dungeon so happy with this one
lethal schooner
Just dont buff them next time so u finish first
broken arrow
Battleshout value 💪. If you give yourself 5% of their dmg you're probably first xD
naive sage
I feel so bad tbh seeing these numbers ngl
I’m astronomically behind even with enha in 15s
wanton sierra
~by best was total of 7B damage, but very diferent dps xD
naive sage
Like my highest overall was like 4.30m in floodgate
wanton sierra
on my last rookery i did 4M overall we depleted, it was 17
rich fern
Is it too late to push for 3k rio as arms rn ? Starting from scratch
latent moss
no
rich fern
How long the season still ?
slow saddle
Long enuff
regal wharf
tbf this was a really good overall for arms in rookery 19
rookery has like
honestly some of the worst trash of the season
the bosses are fine
but some of the pulls suck ass on melee
and in general
flat holly
Sry for basic question.
I’m really confused about arms rotation in M+s, should I hold cooldowns(Avatar, demolish, warbreaker) for THAT cleave buffed by collateral damage, or should I just use them on CD?
In lower keys most mobs are dead even before sweeping strike ends.
Thanks in advance.
olive nest
tbf this was a really good overall for arms in rookery 19
Bro just cranks! Insane!
spiral coral
Are we getting an upgraded helm enchant today?
zealous pivot
does anyone actually enjoy playing around collat?
like not pressing cleave for multiple globals to wait for mbg/wb
spiral coral
Sry for basic question.
I’m really confused about arms rotation in M+s, should I...
Just send that shit
spiral coral
I love big cleaves
zealous pivot
the product is nice, the process is trash imo
it should just be like the bladestorm version of mbg, a period of time after ss ends, so we're not penalized for pressing our aoe spender. that of course would mean smoller cleaves
plush smelt
I find its better to hold big cleave stack if ravager and CS are coming off cd soonish
If not honestly just send it
zealous pivot
it 100% is, so we press slam and op and ms in a gazillion targets, because we cant press cleave
olive nest
Oh yeah definitely never hold more than like 10 seconds honestly
zealous pivot
unless you wanna do beans damage
olive nest
Spitball number idk what mathematically is correct
zealous pivot
thats super cringe imo
plush smelt
10 seconds left natty isnt actually 10 cause of AM so ya thats prob right
Comes out as like ~5-6 seconds assuming MS and like thunderclap
zealous pivot
they messed with our rage because they want it to be impactful, when in fact it doesnt matter at all if you run out of rage, only if you gamed your stacks
spiral coral
We have rage??
zealous pivot
k im done complaining
spiral coral
Honestly haven’t thought about rage since like DF and ip was a thing
zealous pivot
with windfury we dont really, but they fucked with rage, called it a "rework" and threw us in the done pile
you get enough resets without wf and u will run out lol
spiral coral
Idk I play almost all classes, all three warriors are fun af
zealous pivot
i struggle to find meaning. are we really just collat stack gaming, jugg extending
is that the purpose of life?
spiral coral
I mean… there’s turbo boost, could just reroll quicker than ever
spiral coral
Also thank you blizz for making the currency for the visions warband. I can just buy the enchants on my alts and not have to do them
spiral coral
a rework would be nice tho
rework and lust are becoming trigger words
zealous pivot
i dont really want lust
spiral coral
I don’t really want a rework
fresh spire
zealous pivot
based
fresh spire
Warrior just needs better cooldowns we don't need a buff to carry the class. Warrior just needs to own
naive sage
<:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
Fish has no hands therefore fish cannot write
lilac vapor
hey guys, is generally speaking better to go arms or fury for m+ AND raid overall?
naive sage
Yap fish
spiral coral
If warriors were buffed to number 1 no one would be complaining it’d just be people circle jerking to topping details meters
It’s tuning, not design 
balmy kindle
If warriors were buffed to number 1 no one would be complaining it’d just be peo...
Baseg
zealous pivot
cant take all this based this early
olive nest
naive sage
I’d have better gameplay with same numbers rather than higher numbers with same gameplay
zealous pivot
same
hollow plover
like not pressing cleave for multiple globals to wait for mbg/wb
its not worth skipping cleave for multiple gcds just to align collat with something else. The skill in playing around collat is aligning sweep ending with mainly ravager coming off cooldown, wb and ava are cool too i guess
hollow plover
If warriors were buffed to number 1 no one would be complaining it’d just be peo...
Absolutely everyone complains the moment warrior is broken.
Just look at season 1 pre m+
all the casuals were crying
zealous pivot
if you say so
astral yarrow
warriors were giga broken in heroic dungeons and low keys because stuff died within the burst window
dps plummeted when the target cap actually started mattering
sick leaf
Can dreadnaught aoe damage crit? Or is it always the 79k damage in funnel behind target
hollow plover
dps plummeted when the target cap actually started mattering
our aoe came from odyns, troar and bladestorm, all of which arent as capped as meat cleaver. dps plummeted once mob health started increasing. Fury was far from the best dps in +10s, whether you do 5mob pulls or 20 mob pulls
astral yarrow
when mob health started increasing = target cap mattering. If stuff doesnt die within your CDs, all you are left with is hitting 5 targets
Fury was very good in 10s when stuff died in 15 seconds
fury was very bad in +15s when stuff died in 2 mins
hollow plover
that is far from equal
couldnt disagree more
health is health
mob count is mob count
yes it interacts somewhat
i know what ur on about
but our damage wasnt that dependant on mob count
astral yarrow
mob count matters when you run out of stuff that hits the entire count of mobs
but i guess your perspective differs
astral yarrow
whatever you feel like my man
hollow plover
its not a feeling man
astral yarrow
agreed, but your view is clearly different than mine
cba arguing with you specifically
thick kelp
cba arguing with you specifically
ok D*ne
astral yarrow
D*nar
thick kelp
T*rget Cap
astral yarrow
😱
naive sage
Came Boy Advance
dim basalt
most pulls were 3-6
There were a lot of massive pulls wdym
thick hamlet
arms is last on the wowhead mid expansion meme thing ya?
shy tide
my wish for warrior is to put it down behind the barn
hollow plover
There were a lot of massive pulls wdym
Aside from ara kara, not really
dim basalt
Did you play a different season 1 than we did? lmao
shy tide
i dont even remember s1 dungeons anymore
i think only the dawnbreaker was relativly small pull sizes throughout the entire dungeon
dim basalt
Depends on route, but generally it was the one dungeon with the least big pulls
CoT had bigger pulls, SV as well
NW was basically only big pulls
GB had some
shy tide
yeah idk i got an anuerysm yesterday reading the funny reddit thread glazing the phys god comp
dim basalt
Siege had plenty of bigger pulls
shy tide
just build the comp perfeclty around the warrior and make custom routes specifically around the warriors shitty target cap
and then it can still contest for bottom dps
god i love warrior in M+
dim basalt
shy tide
holy fck its so ass
but atleast ass is still good enough for title
but it doesnt feel good by far
spiral coral
Good luck on vaults everyone
untold trench
You don't enjoy basically being a boostie in keys? Weird
spiral coral
I got 5 toons lined up lol
thick hamlet
holy fck its so ass
it's not that ass
it's like mid af
ass is a strong word, save it for survival and sp
shy tide
survival isnt that bad honestly
dim basalt
In M+ it kinda is
shy tide
its just that there is no point in playing surv when current MM exists
thick hamlet
i play arms and sv, sv makes arms look like unh dk
spiral coral
sv is so fun
slow saddle
Same with bm, bm actually does good dmg but best hunters play mm
thick hamlet
i can't stand sentinel mm gameplay
thick hamlet
not quite as good, id rather play sv, it's incredibly fun
wish it was more rewarding
thick hamlet
a great anything does plenty of dps tbh
slow saddle
Further between the svs
Its like brewmonk
Small playerbase even smaller playerbase of good players
spiral coral
Just play it now lol nothing going on rn
dim basalt
Limited time
slow saddle
Story of adult life
dim basalt
yup
spiral coral
Hopefully I get a new position so my schedule will allow me to raid
slow saddle
Morning raid!
spiral coral
I usually wake up at like 2-3 est so that'd work lol
viral locust
not quite as good, id rather play sv, it's incredibly fun
Dark ranger is better in the majority of dungeons
More priority/st damage and good aoe still, probably only worth mm sent if you are playing alongside arcane mage
twin mica
thick hamlet
More priority/st damage and good aoe still, probably only worth mm sent if you a...
i can see that in high keys, im just a +16 andy
jovial hare
brothers
from what i see for a st priority
do we just kinda ignore rage if MS/OP (or other big ticket skills) is/are available to press and rend doesnt need refreshed?
jovial hare
feels weird to not care about resources so much
but i figured and hoped i was just wrong
owell
dim basalt
feels weird to not care about resources so much
but i figured and hoped i was ju...
Coming from SV it is weird yeah
tawdry barn
Guys % wise how far behind is slayer in m+
hollow plover
Guys % wise how far behind is slayer in m+
yes
tawdry barn
😦 Okay
tawdry barn
I wanna spin
hollow plover
arms slayer aint pretty in m+
fury loboz build however
CgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA0YYGbmZYmlxMjFmZmxMMDjttZGzMzGzMjxMMjFbzwMmBAAAix2yALgBMDTgBbA
give it whirl
lots of spinnies
swift crown
Banezi
halcyon breach
hello
swift crown
Throwback
outer forge
they probably broke something
vital mortar
Is there a soft cap for PvE arms Stats? whenever i see guides they always talk about stat prio and BiS, but never about where should I aim towards.
dim basalt
Is there a soft cap for PvE arms Stats? whenever i see guides they always talk a...
Because there is nothing to aim towards, you just sim
vital mortar
Also i have no idea how the hell i have this much mastery
vital mortar
Because there is nothing to aim towards, you just sim
yeaaaaah i need to learn how to sim correctly
misty sandal
vital mortar
usually i just go to raidbots and make it fight patchwerk single.
dim basalt
Thats all you need
dim basalt
You only really need more knowledge if you wanna theorycraft stuff
spiral coral
Knowing how to use Top Gear is really helpful imo
vital mortar
So far i've been only following guides to be honest.
Specially when it comes to gear
spiral coral
So far i've been only following guides to be honest.
Looks good
vital mortar
I need a decent belt and neck assap tho, hoping the vault gives me a belt, not so hopeful on neck.
Mythic gloves would be nice too
spiral coral
I crafted my neck
Was hoping for the one from Brew
I have got more loot worthwhile from delves than m+
vital mortar
It boogles my brain how that mastery haste neck is good for my war, but then again im not expert.
signal geyser
is the change to whirlwind also just a 100% buff to cleave, since it replaces whirlwind?
vital mortar
is the change to whirlwind also just a 100% buff to cleave, since it replaces wh...
Oh i wish
sometimes i crit 9M on cleave with the sweeping strikes talent.
If they buff it a 100%, good god
I think its goofy from blizzard to try and make whirlwind work on arms
Its like asking prot warriors to use slam more often
signal geyser
I thought it seemed weird if that was the case since cleave is already top damage in keys for arms
vital mortar
It felt weird that this 100% damage is not only for arms but fury as well
and i droped fury for lack of actual boss damage.
It feels like fury is just a AoE dps farming machine
teal fossil
It feels like fury is just a AoE dps farming machine
That’s just not true rn
Arms is the aoe spec
Fury is the prio damage/boss damage in keys
smoky kayak
historically though, that has been flipped
teal fossil
I’m assuming we are talking about the context of this tier
vital mortar
That’s just not true rn
I believe you, but in my experience its been like this:
teal fossil
Its like asking prot warriors to use slam more often
It’s different
vital mortar
I raid with Fury warriors and their boss damage is 70 to 80% of their DPS
and we are tied on DPS
But my boss dps is always 90% of my damage, less than 10% ads
dim basalt
Its just padding tbh
teal fossil
I raid with Fury warriors and their boss damage is 70 to 80% of their DPS
That could be true
vital mortar
I feel like im being more useful as arms for that boss damage
teal fossil
But arms loses a lot more st in m+ compared to fury
vital mortar
because ads usually die very fast, and having a fury warrior saving AoE burst just to prase doesnt feel useful to me on raids.
teal fossil
Arms and fury has basically the same burst for adds right now
vital mortar
And thats my experience in raids with both specs
teal fossil
Both are just bladestorm+roar/spear
vital mortar
now when it comes to 10+ higher keys, i ran arms for Massacre talent, to put the boss down faster.
teal fossil
So it just looks like your fury is holding dam for sake of padding
vital mortar
I believe meat cleaver talent is what gives the edge against arms. it feels better than sweeping strikes
1 whirlwind to have all your single target spells cleave is perfect
teal fossil
Yeah thinking about it arms and fury should have the same burst
vital mortar
They should probably make sweeping strikes cleave 1 aditional target or something
I dunno
dim basalt
Nah, SS should be a toggle
teal fossil
historically though, that has been flipped
yeah when I started in shadowlands
Arms sustained aoe didn’t feel functional at all lol
It was just sweeping DN
vital mortar
Nah, SS should be a toggle
I would love that
even tho making it a toggle would be better i would still miss storm of swords
they would have to rework the talent
oh wrong talent
not storm of swords
Collateral damage
Feels so good to farm those stacks and send a huge cleave on the enemy
short briar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/viF9G1hVqupYLnYBLQvbN3
hey is it normal for suspicius drink to sim better than pacemaker?
icy mulch
I'd love to see collateral vanish and have the power spread out in cleave baseline.
stable fiber
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/viF9G1hVqupYLnYBLQvbN3
hey is it normal f...
671 drink vs 668 pacemaker
but yeah drink can sim higher than pacemaker
thorny coyote
is drink the way nowadays?
stable fiber
not always
shadow ibex
Less modifiers?
thorny coyote
Im a prot main trying to get into arms I just did floodgate 9 times yesterday trying to get the pacemaker x.x
shadow ibex
Forget where you are?
stable fiber
Im a prot main trying to get into arms I just did floodgate 9 times yesterday tr...
sim it
shadow ibex
This is the stacking modifiers spec
vital mortar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/viF9G1hVqupYLnYBLQvbN3
hey is it normal f...
Guess selling mine was a mistake haha
stable fiber
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/viF9G1hVqupYLnYBLQvbN3
hey is it normal f...
also this is a aoe talent sim with a 5 min 1 target sim going
vital mortar
I'd love to see collateral vanish and have the power spread out in cleave baseli...
Would be better since i hate tracking buffs
stable fiber
so im not sure if your trying to sim for m+ or for st in raid, id assume m+ but yk
collateral is like my favorite talent in the whole arms tree ngl
it feels SOO good to have a big stacked collateral damage onto a damage amped enemy
30 million cleaves on big momma 🙏
thorny coyote
it feels SOO good to have a big stacked collateral damage onto a damage amped en...
this is why i love arms
but i am so bad still i keep making small mistakes during rotation / not timing shit right
vital mortar
Collateral damage feels goof but i hate tracking it
smoky kayak
its common to focus on it more than you should
unless the pack is dead and you're getting ready to pull more mobs, or you're just 1-2 GCDs away from a big CD, its almost always better to just send than to save
short briar
also this is a aoe talent sim with a 5 min 1 target sim going
im resimming it now but
vital mortar
but i am so bad still i keep making small mistakes during rotation / not timing ...
Sometimes i fked up execute rotation because of how fast the global cooldown gets on heroism
Instead of 2 executes I end up putting a 3rd one by mistake its too fast
People may throw stones at me but i think the global CD should be longer.
Dumbasses keep looking at their buttons instead of doing mechanics because the game forces you every second to pick something else to push
Btw, is this real or is this bullshit?
I NEVER seen anyone running grim codex
like is it good or ppl trolling?
thorny coyote
man i cant pick
mythic chest peice would benefit both specs
but i need pacemaker so bad
im 678 with a champion pacemaker i think thats the move
vital mortar
I believe the trinket is a lot harder to come by
thorny coyote
i play mostly prot tho rn rheeeeee
vital mortar
keep that in mind
vital mortar
I only got mine once on vault, luckly i took it
same thing for my axe
Yep, im full mythic tier set now, lets go
grizzled estuary
hey guys, im trying to understand why we want to cleave before sending ravager/avatar/wb on AOE opener please
AFAIU deepwounds is applied through WB anyways
thorny coyote
Yep, im full mythic tier set now, lets go
solid bro!
vital mortar
hey guys, im trying to understand why we want to cleave before sending ravager/a...
The mastery right?
dim basalt
hey guys, im trying to understand why we want to cleave before sending ravager/a...
To put it on a cd
vital mortar
Deep wounds also increases the damage the enemy take from you
mortal crag
yes but warbreaker already does that
grizzled estuary
so its not for deepwounds but jsut for more cleave usages?
Then if i get a cleave reset would i send it also please ?
mortal crag
but i mean id assume cd+deep wounds
dim basalt
so its not for deepwounds but jsut for more cleave usages?
Then if i get a clea...
You perma send Cleave if possible
Then MS, then OP
grizzled estuary
so clap > cleave > (cleave reset if u get) > ROAR> SS > ravager > ava>wb >normal rotation?
mortal crag
i thought its clap>cleave>roar>ava+ss>war>rava>10 stack demolish?
restive swift
i play mostly prot tho rn rheeeeee
Pacemaker is bis for prot. It’s the trinket we play for every dungeon.
stuck nimbus
Is it worth using an amber gem for the extra 0.15% crit from blasphemite on the 6th gem slot?
stuck nimbus
Sorry wrong channel meant to ask in prot, maybe for a tank stamina is less useless
short briar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6psJJAy9bhz8HuYWhNYMtA does this look correct?
684 ring is in my vault
restive swift
Sorry wrong channel meant to ask in prot, maybe for a tank stamina is less usele...
Movement speed one is great. At least I like it a lot.
stuck nimbus
which one
restive swift
I don’t remember the name but it’s epic and gives str + 2% movement speed per socketed gem.
stuck nimbus
but that is exclusive with the culimnating one isnt it?
only one blasphemite equipped?
bronze tiger
is it just me or does arms feel painfully slow in keys
smoky kayak
I believe the trinket is a lot harder to come by
arguably you can buy it with dinar now
split frigate
vital mortar
arguably you can buy it with dinar now
Yeah but the question is: Is it a good trinket? cuz i never see people using it
Reading its description it sounds like a shitty gimmicky trinket
vital mortar
It’s crit every minute
Crit? im talking about the grim codex
smoky kayak
Yeah but the question is: Is it a good trinket? cuz i never see people using it
pacemaker? its really good
who was talking about grim codex?
teal fossil
lol we both thought he was talking pacemaker
vital mortar
oh i got tagged and i thought u were answering my question about the grim codex
smoky kayak
the guy you replied to linked an image of pacemaker in their vault
vital mortar
yeah the pacemaker is god tier
teal fossil
It’s “on use do damage” trinket #351
bronze tiger
Me: man, warriors need a buff
Guildie: didnt warriors just get a buff on reset?
i knew this was going to happen
dim basalt
We need god
slow saddle
Nah
vital mortar
Oh btw, how do I sim crafting items on raidbots? trying to find it but I dunno where it is
I dont wanna craft the thing to be able to sim it, theres gotta be a place where i can do that right?
shadow ibex
I doubt anyone playing arms on farm is even going to bind ww
vital mortar
Is it here?
tacit crystal
have to upgrade per character
vital mortar
Trying to compare my heroic neck with a crafted one
wooden lava
have to upgrade per character
like i can just go to the hourglass and slot them in? like dragonriding?
spiral coral
like i can just go to the hourglass and slot them in? like dragonriding?
yeah
fast wedge
how much am i hurting myself by playing slayer > col in m+? i just really like bladestorm
minor gust
demolish is bait on OAB and anyone whos playing it is wrong
It was good before all the nerfs now it's dead. I progged all of OAB as Colossus our 1% wipe I was gonna have a 99. Didn't kill it then the last round of nerfs happened. Couldn't get good demo timings anymore and ended up killing and getting a 92 thanks to the nerfs
Was big Fs
shadow ibex
im so glad to be done with the tier
felt good to just click pass on everything since dinars idc anymore
if only this vault was a week later
lmao
i guess hero jastor for the bags
spiral coral
how much am i hurting myself by playing slayer > col in m+? i just really like ...
Not really hurting yourself colossus is better overall but you can certainly play Slayer
fast wedge
Not really hurting yourself colossus is better overall but you can certainly pla...
thanks - what about using TC in single target over rend?
to save a keybind
smoky kayak
just put both buttons on the same bind
when you have TC talented, use TC
when you don't, use Rend
fast wedge
thats what ive got !
smoky kayak
you can either make a macro for it with known: Thunder Clap or you can just use Blizz' built in talent-loadout system to auto swap your bars based on your current talents
spiral coral
thanks - what about using TC in single target over rend?
I have to personally rend in st and tc in aoe, like, as a compulsive thing so don’t ask me
But I like pressing buttons
elfin kindle
any1 knows how much % BIS is more dmg compared to crafted?
mortal crag
if i play both fury and arms, is it better to play arms with fury stats, or fury with arms stats?
dim basalt
if i play both fury and arms, is it better to play arms with fury stats, or fury...
Arms with fury stats
elfin kindle
if i play both fury and arms, is it better to play arms with fury stats, or fury...
arms wit hfury prolly yeah, but just try to fish for rings and its the same
mortal crag
i havent found a single crit haste yet
might just craft one tbh
its getting despresso
my char is so behind
elfin kindle
both of my rings are crit/mastery
mortal crag
677
playing circlet and a 6k haste+1k mastery roulette wheel
i have 8k crit
with crit flask
elfin kindle
just do ur weeklies in top and ure bound to get one, ppl dont need them anymore
mortal crag
KEKW?
645 neck sims higher
than 671 fury neck
(yes im simming weird cuz i mostly M+ as arms)
jade ember
thats the way jewelry can be with no main stat, if one of both of the stats are bad for you it nerfs the piece pretty hard
jade ember
the pearlescent stuff from last month's log is pretty bis tbh
dim basalt
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Hj6Eku8kdFwvV2JX8mXTh
Did you really buy bis before hoc? lol
minor gust
if his sims told him too why not
dim basalt
Still pretty bad for M+ tho
dim basalt
I mean
If they post a ST sim in M+ build
Surely they do care about M+ to some extent
minor gust
your gonna have enough dinar to buy another piece next week
storm anvil
anyone know which epic enchant corruption should arms pick?
minor gust
it doesnt matter
jovial hare
anyone know which epic enchant corruption should arms pick?
prob void ritual
heard some weird shit about echoing void not working how it's supposed
but that's literally a rumor
free stats always good
storm anvil
prob void ritual
heard some weird shit about echoing void not working how it's s...
ty:)
jovial hare
u can always just farm more visions n get another one if it's wrong anyways
sacred zodiac
just sim it or
jovial hare
that too
lmao
sacred zodiac
is it dinar week?
bleak fog
Have anyone of you been stuck on the bee that you shoot away on the barrels on Buzzbee?
olive nest
is it dinar week?
Next I think
bleak fog
It did't kick me of so i pulled the pack at stairs ><
tacit crystal
is it dinar week?
is it not next?
sacred zodiac
grr !!!
rare kite
free from this spec
tacit crystal
gz
minor gust
tacit crystal
and never
rare kite
if i had max jugg stacks when going into execute it would have been massive
but we take a 95
minor gust
fun mechanic
rare kite
pretty good
rare kite
fun mechanic
yea love getting a mechanic and then you just drop jugg immideately
minor gust
even better when you just dont get a SD proc and lose it anyways
slow saddle
even better when you just dont get a SD proc and lose it anyways
ye even though u waited until the VERY LAST GCD
minor gust
its pretty universally hated at this point. If they dont do anything about it in 11.2 its all over
rare kite
it's universally hated by mythic raiders atleast, idk how the super casual view it
slow saddle
i mean super casual dont know
u can stack it
😄
and just send SD when it pops and are prob happy
coz if it was just like that it would be fine
rare kite
yeah it's hard to tell... very different worlds
hexed snow
Fury jugg is so much more fun than Arms
I understand why they dont work the same but
Its so much less punishing on Fury side
urban iron
Woulda hit 5m on vexie but the priest gripped me into a soak
Ultimate troll
I 100% deserved it but still
steep osprey
Fury execute also less damage
slow saddle
Its so much less punishing on Fury side
Slayer was never supposed to be for arms
Col arms is basicly df arms with leggo
If blizzard could just let col be best in st
Id smile
hexed snow
If blizzard could just let col be best in st
I like slayer but this shit with having 15 stacks of execute is killing me inside
slow saddle
I like slayer but this shit with having 15 stacks of execute is killing me insid...
Even without thay
We still pressing bladestorm🤣🤣
And afk for 4 seconds
Just make juggernaut 5 stacks
fast wedge
https://mythicstats.com/dps - Based on this site and the parses, Arms is ranked towards the middle of the pack in damage. However, they are listed as A tier for melee dps...why is their ranking higher than their damage/parses? I would expect to see them in B. (im new to war)
i guess my question is - what makes arms rank so high on tier lists when their damage doesnt seem to be as high as other classes
spiral coral
Tier lists are dumb. Give a good general idea of a class, kinda, but for the most part they’re shit and I wouldn’t put weight into them.
minor gust
indeed the correct answer is tier lists are dumb and not worth taking seriously
fast wedge
i main SP and tier lists often put us at C/D tier which aligns with our dmg output and lack of a "meta comp". Just wondering why Arms seems to rank higher overall than its dmg output
dim basalt
Well, then keep wondering
fast wedge
thanks man
dim basalt
Tier lists are and will stay dumb
hazy flower
Arms is doing good keys
limpid drift
tier lists dont work for 99th percentile subsets
fast wedge
will the WW buff change anything for Arms build/rotation?
hazy flower
Doubt
hazy flower
You cleave on 2t
limpid drift
You cleave on 2t
bruh
dire hinge
smh
bitter escarp
u rite
limpid drift
it shows
hazy flower
Shit bait
limpid drift
maybe give accurate advice before being a dickhead
hazy flower
💀
minor gust
el classico
south beacon
willow grove
Ngl I wouldn’t change much with us. I enjoy.
minor gust
you will WW instead of slam on maybe gally or stix thats it doesnt matter just vibe
dim basalt
minor gust
Ngl I wouldn’t change much with us. I enjoy.
mortal crag
are your trinkets
My warrior is dead walhe I'm crawling back with 90 logs on 668 ilvl
As fury Chad ofc
regal wharf
question:
do i have to do the whole ass shadowlands campaign to get to zerith mortis
rough sluice
rare kite
do i have to do the whole ass shadowlands campaign to get to zerith mortis
if you've done it on a different character no
if not yes
rough sluice
to the maw with you
regal wharf
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
rough sluice
i started in DFS3
starting in the best m+ season ever, lucky you
the only good part of df was m+ in season 3
fair iris
atal is super nice
rough sluice
super easy dungeon
dim basalt
3rd boss everbloom was pretty hard
spiral coral
Yeeee
dim basalt
Absolute nightmare for every healer
spiral coral
Spell reflect went so hard that season
molten crag
is any good?
spiral coral
If it’s better than your current two trinkets
Then yes, it’s good
Not the best, others that are better
molten crag
pace myth, champ drink.
regal wharf
atal is super nice
atal is only fun if your pug tank doesn't go right
spiral coral
Sure, but, they were asking if it was good for them
regal wharf
you liked the reviving adds that spat shit everywhere?
spiral coral
Mmm no
But also bricking to people not interrupting or stunning sucked
There was some tricky ads on the left lol
I was all for it in a competent group buuuuut that was weird in DF back then when doing a 20+ key was normal and you didn’t know who was actually good in keys lmao
somber lance
i just got jastors heroic from the weekly quest. i assume the cartel chips are quite useless if I don't mythic raid?
somber lance
oh yeah
but those trinkets are dog no?
i got house of cards and pacemaker
i guess pacemaker i can get myth?
empty nova
Basic question but I’m currently unable to sim so I wanted to ask
I can upgrade from hero pants to myth pants from vault or from 671 crit haste 50/50 split ring to the myth 684 faded champ ring (heavy crit light haste)
Any opinions welcome please
spiral coral
Basic question but I’m currently unable to sim so I wanted to ask
I can upgrade...
probably pants
empty nova
The main stat diff probs too good aye?
spiral coral
Idk I’m not a sim bot but I was just assuming myth pants would be better to acquire with dinars being around but I don’t know your equipment or goals lol. Top gear is the ultimate answer
quaint otter
trinket looks better
fresh spire
biggest question would be what you have and what content you do, trinket is considered 3rd best though with fight times lowering and eye being poor in keys pacemaker is a very good option.
Chest isn't a bad option though trinket is definitely harder to obtain if you do mythic raid and intend to use dinars for raid items.
fickle siren
I do M+
stable fiber
Hello all!
I got a question ❓
What I need to prioritize trinket or tier set?
harder to know since we dont exactly know what items you have currently
zenith dagger
if u dont do myth raid, prob take chest and spend dinar on pacemaker
fickle siren
if u dont do myth raid, prob take chest and spend dinar on pacemaker
yes, that I do, ty
bronze tiger
how are you 668 asking about a tier set