which it was a major dps cd because of the cd reduction
#arms
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got removed in mid s1
dim basalt
It's just AM but a lot worse
rare kite
Fuck sd tho
sd itself owns. it's just juggernaut that makes it feel ass
trim arrow
Ehh sub’s passive is more like AM
rare kite
coz jugg makes execute hit like a whet noodle when not stacked
trim arrow
getting dance cdr for hitting buttons
rare kite
I'm talking about Shadowdust
i initially thought you meant shadowdust, but then you compared it to AM and i thought sudden death hahah
dim basalt
Nah haha
I immediately lost interest in playing sub when I read that sd was gonna be the build
trim arrow
Having uptime based cdr
and flat cds is kind of stupid
you get desyncs if forced downtime
silk spade
assa is very cool
sweet lark
Until you melee a mob and you didn’t set up your plater
bronze tiger
try outlaw and pressing killing spree on the last boss in darkflame
keen plaza
what do I spam first in aoe first mega pull
Cleave or mortal strike during sweeping strikes?
tacit crystal
cleave
hollow plover
what do I spam first in aoe first mega pull
cleave also has a single target component to it which gets swept onto another target thus aiding towards collateral damage
hollow plover
^
keen plaza
that's what I thought, ty. I'm not keeping up in the higher keys was hoping it was a simple rotation thing
keen plaza
it's probably more along positioning and cd management which is harder to solve :p
tacit crystal
not using ravager well
tacit crystal
yeah
hollow plover
idfk
bronze tiger
nova marsh
Same with Mortal Strike for Arms
Our spec icon would be overpower
dim basalt
Shadow dance is the best sub ability
At least read the context so you know I'm not talking about dance
Kek
quiet bramble
shammy has bloodthrist icon
hollow plover
Our spec icon would be overpower
lets be real our spec icon would be juggernaut at this point
our entire gameplay revolves around SD and Jugg
like yea opportunist overpowers are great and all, but our entire gameplay loop is all about fuckin jugg
quiet bramble
jagganoot
stone marsh
At least read the context so you know I'm not talking about dance
Well u put SD it can mean so many things haha. SD is the usual abbreviation for shadow dance while Shadowdust is just referred to as dust, within the sub rogue context.
Hope that clarifies.
hollow plover
or does it also affect cleave?
it doesnt affect cleave in any way
and it also wont do more than cleave
swift crown
@halcyon breach remember when you didnt have Cleave when we did a Rookery key
and you did a grand total of 800k damage with Whirlwind in 4 casts
you could be doing 1.6 million now
hollow plover
you could be doing 1.6 million now
slow saddle
and you did a grand total of 800k damage with Whirlwind in 4 casts
big fucking wws
😉
slow saddle
Well Big cleave now
WW with cd sucked...
or Well
lets be honest, if u remove the TOM element, im all in on the 10 second ww again 😄
DFC most be the most FUCK cone frontals ever
halcyon breach
you could be doing 1.6 million now
I do, I remember annihilating the pack with then instantly swapping back to cleave after just to make it a bit more fun for the rest
minor gust
WW with cd sucked...
I will not accept this slander
weak rain
tom was fun though, even in df
minor gust
The only enjoyable part about it was the execute overlaps everything else was a shit talent
weak rain
at least with tom there was dps loop
right now its just ooga booga press everything no depth whatsoever
minor gust
I wouldn't say Tom added anything everything is still the same.
rare kite
at least with tom there was dps loop
There was no such thing unless you mean getting ignore pain inside cs. Coz 2x WW inside cs did not matter
You just did rotation
weak rain
I wouldn't say Tom added anything everything is still the same.
no, it literally had more depth, I presonally tried to play around it
right now it's just literally ooga booga
weak rain
There was no such thing unless you mean getting ignore pain inside cs. Coz 2x WW...
yes?
rare kite
Like i said 2x WW inside cs did not matter
minor gust
no, it literally had more depth, I presonally tried to play around it
It was never worth playing around
It never accomplished this depth you thought it had
sacred zodiac
no, it literally had more depth, I presonally tried to play around it
what were you changing though lol since rotation inside/outside of cs windows was literally identical
the most interesting thing that happened cause of it was maybe you didnt play around EP on your prog kill of raszageth to get a bigger fataility tom
minor gust
Or smolderon but again didn't really matter
sacred zodiac
arms on smold prog seems a bit grief
sharp wyvern
sacred zodiac
i dont think it did for all of relevant prog
minor gust
Prog no was a farm thing
sacred zodiac
plus its a livelordx fight and boss dies i will sus you if you progged as arms
hollow zephyr
Is fury stronger than arms currently or after the buffs?
weak rain
I wasn't saying it was significant, but it was still better than current completely brainless
build
thats the point
sacred zodiac
okay but you understand that tom literally didnt affect your playstyle except for one boss for one kill
weak rain
idk for me it felt good when I knew I did big toms
sacred zodiac
if you were straining to play around tom then you were straining to play the rotation properly
at least now i hit faster when i press wb which has an actual impact on me playing the gmae
minor gust
Like I said the only enjoyable part about Tom was the execute phase overlaps
weak rain
and whats enjoyable part about in for the kill? literally nothing
it's jsut there
just like you insist tom was
whats the difference for you at this point
sacred zodiac
and whats enjoyable part about in for the kill? literally nothing
"when i press cs i hit faster" is a more tangible difference than tom giving you strength after your cs window which was tuned in a way where you would literally not change your playstyle for it
weak wave
and whats enjoyable part about in for the kill? literally nothing
It's a Mini bloodlust during Execute phase
weak rain
instead of 30%-ish str bonus after cs
minor gust
Haste makes me hit buttons faster which is something I feel unlike TOM
Plus it's actually in my CDs and not out of my cds
weak wave
Tell me that you don‘t enjoy it when BL pops
weak rain
Yeah, I enjoy it, also I enjoy when during BL I can stack my tom bigger and feel good about it
and not haste for more haste for nothing
weak wave
instead of 30%-ish str bonus after cs
Just bigger numbers.
weak rain
for 30% aurabuff because warrior sucks
minor gust
Replace ToM and the many other useless talents please
rare kite
when you stack haste anyway
You do know iftk gives more haste the more haste you have right? It's not flat%
minor gust
Thankfully Tom died but SOS died for its sins
weak rain
You do know iftk gives more haste the more haste you have right? It's not flat%
I know, does it change much?
rare kite
Yes
weak rain
warrior still stacks haste, getting more haste just because is just w/e for me, but actually using that haste to funnel into something
feels good
I dislike current arms and iftk
I prefer df arms by...
a lot
sacred zodiac
you are literally playing the exact same iteration except you dont have to do weird shit every 8 gcds
weak rain
I prefer doing weird shit every 8 gcds than going ooga booga right now
sacred zodiac
weird
weak rain
I do, warrior dmg in m+ etc suffers right now because they overnerfed bleeds(or rather they were put behind)
I like tom I like bleeds, I dislike current ooga booga shit arms is
slow saddle
Tom was stupid
minor gust
Yes remove rend
slow saddle
Flatter dmg profile is never the answer
minor gust
More dmg in actual abilities
minor gust
I rather all that bleed dmg go-to bladestorm or dreadnaught
weak rain
I rather all that bleed dmg go-to bladestorm or dreadnaught
Yes, more cleave dmg, as I said. You all demanded that, where we are now?
more cleave dmg needed I guess?
minor gust
I didn't say cleave but go off king
weak rain
Doesn't matter, all of our abilities hit unbelievably hard
in comparsion
to other classes
minor gust
Ok and we're good in M+
weak rain
middle of the pack I'd say
weak rain
The point is that giving more dmg to our abilities is just dumb at this point, but here you are
minor gust
Arms was middle of the pack all DF
weak rain
saying that the answer is literally this
minor gust
saying that the answer is literally this
It is not my fault Blizz has done a bad job at it
weak rain
Arms was middle of the pack all DF
And it was infinitely more enjoyable to play because roar was doing good dmg and you could funnel it with gathering storm etc
not to mention prerework SKS season 2
minor gust
slow saddle
Sk was, what inflicting sorrows is now
minor gust
Was still mid
weak rain
It is not my fault Blizz has done a bad job at it
All I am saying that giving more dmg to our abilities such as cleave, ms, execute etc. is jsut dumb at this point, they are already hardest hitting abilities in the game
slow saddle
What?
weak rain
Ok you said bladestorm and dreadnaught
slow saddle
They need more dmf
minor gust
I literally said take more dmg from bleeds and add more to bladestorm and Dreadnaught
slow saddle
Rest of abilities hit hars due to modifiers
weak rain
the only way you can buff warrior dmg at this point
is through bleeds in my mind
and dreadnaught yes
bladestorm is capped, but I'd agree it probably needs to hit harder
minor gust
There's tons of ways you don't need to focus so much on bleeds for some reason
You don't need to add more sources of dmg to do more dmg
slow saddle
5% ms dmg
weak rain
come on, they do nothing right now anyway, especially roar is so bad
minor gust
Roar didn't need to get nerfed so hard but rend needs to go completely we don't need all these different types of bleeds and multiple different ways to apply them
It's just needless bloat
weak rain
I actually agree that rend can go, but dmg that rend lost can go into DW buff
make rend prot bleed, dw arms bleed whatever
fallen fjord
Anyone know if you can safely leap over the lightning spots in Mythic Gallywix p2 onward?
floral ledge
someone hitting 3m ?
warped spade
I literally said take more dmg from bleeds and add more to bladestorm and Dreadn...
Remember when deep wounds used to be an extra 10% damage from crits. Spells actually hit hard back then.
daring flicker
26 damage
warped spade
The dopamine hit from hitting bladestorm in an aoe pack was bis
quasi torrent
what if someone told u
sacred zodiac
Remember when deep wounds used to be an extra 10% damage from crits. Spells actu...
that was rend ??
quasi torrent
it wasnt DW and u never played Rend in aoe when that was a thing
warped spade
Deep wounds was a dotted crit damage. The point was not that it hit hard. But that w/e the mastery is right now didn't require bleeds for you to do more damage. Or 10stacks of overwhelming (or w/e the name is for that slayer stack) or MS on bladestorm
sacred zodiac
Deep wounds was a dotted crit damage. The point was not that it hit hard. But th...
can you link to something that shows that deep wounds was in fact this
daring flicker
@halcyon breach can i get a smile cat sticker
minor gust
Anyone know if you can safely leap over the lightning spots in Mythic Gallywix p...
No you will still take damage.
fallen fjord
No you will still take damage.
thx
sacred zodiac
can you link to something that shows that deep wounds was in fact this
wtf is this !!!
wanton sierra
i dont get it spongie
BEHOLD!!!! 682, i need socket on helm and maybe an myth legs.... and myth trinket but i dont raid
halcyon breach
<@102464908976730112> can i get a smile cat sticker
floral ledge
BEHOLD!!!! 682, i need socket on helm and maybe an myth legs.... and myth trinke...
what's ur simms ?
st
weak wave
Deep wounds was a dotted crit damage. The point was not that it hit hard. But th...
What do you mean "dotted crit dmg"?
warped spade
can you link to something that shows that deep wounds was in fact this
Deep wounds was a bleed on crits based on weap damage, the crit damage increase I was thinking was Impale
wanton sierra
what's ur simms ?
ill sim it, sec
warped spade
Anyways still. Spells just hit harder
warped spade
What do you mean "dotted crit dmg"?
I meant a dot you got from crits. This has nothing to do with current
wanton sierra
i remember! there was a time when deepwounds was our top source of dam!! xD some time ago
warped spade
That was BFA. It was awful
wanton sierra
i agree
warped spade
They attach too many things to spells nowadays imho. It's probably to increase the skill floor. But idk if they should be doing it to all classes
3 button unholy dk with 25 sources of damage
naive sage
i remember! there was a time when deepwounds was our top source of dam!! xD some...
I loved it, I’d like a dot-based arms someday
minor gust
spiral coral
I loved it, I’d like a dot-based arms someday
Stop
vast drum
Anyone have good m+ arms streamer suggestions?
still fox
BEHOLD!!!! 682, i need socket on helm and maybe an myth legs.... and myth trinke...
why not hc jastor ring?
spiral coral
Anyone have good m+ arms streamer suggestions?
Critcake
muted tree
Anyone have good m+ arms streamer suggestions?
Bizentein
vast drum
Ty
muted tree
Bizentein is next level
wanton sierra
hi mr ballrox i picked the trinket first, peacemaker myth
still fox
ah okay 😊
spiral coral
I’ve been watching noxiv but I’ve been playing mainly fury in m+
Getting second Warrior to 3k is gonna be fun lol
vast drum
I’ve been watching noxiv but I’ve been playing mainly fury in m+
What level are you doing? Once I started getting into 15s it felt like groups took forever to form and I just held everyone else back as fury so I swapped to arms for m+
Might be a skill issue though
wanton sierra
back in the days i used to watch deswind... i liked danwar too... critcake and bizentain are gods
muted tree
Switching to arms isn't gonna changed nothings
We still don't get accepted
Grind Ur keys
vast drum
Real
muted tree
DPS warrior solo is an amazing experience
spiral coral
What level are you doing? Once I started getting into 15s it felt like groups to...
15s, shit is just hard. Feel the same with Arms.
muted tree
Lost all my hair already
rose matrix
Only time I get invites is once I have 4-5 keys done in that key level
spiral coral
Skill issue for sure on my part
dim basalt
What's hard about 15s
wanton sierra
ah okay 😊
i didnt check, but ppl said if you got both rings myth version, the dif between those and hero last boss ring is very little, do you know?
vast drum
I normally list my keys with my WW monk gf but it takes a bit for people to join
Which sucks
spiral coral
I think 15 might be my ceiling unless I find like a core team of 3 to go with
That’s just me coping though
muted tree
I think 15 might be my ceiling unless I find like a core team of 3 to go with
I thought the same since 3000 now I'm 3.3 and still going
vast drum
I prob feel the same but oh well
Not much else to do this season besides show up to raid lol
spiral coral
There’s still a lot of season left
wanton sierra
the thing that is hard is to cross the dungeon level... once you get all 16s, ppl would more likely invite you on 17s, even tho is still very hard... 15s to 16s for me was tuff
spiral coral
It’s depressing the insta invites my mage gets compared to my warrior
muted tree
It’s depressing the insta invites my mage gets compared to my warrior
Yeah sucks
spiral coral
Im sO pOpUlAr I HaVe LuuuSt
vast drum
For real, on my unholy people throw themselves at me even if I've only done below keylevel
spiral coral
Frost doesn’t get any invites though I think that shits funny
muted tree
*Im sO pOpUlAr I HaVe LuuuSt*
It's not that necessarily it's that arms only has DMG and gives no real value to the grp , everything our kit has can be done by other specs combined with more utility
Look at uh dk
spiral coral
I got invited to a +8 when my mage had only done a +4 lol I was like tf
muted tree
But that AP buff :(
Hahahahahaha I'm shouting look at me
spiral coral
It's not that necessarily it's that arms only has DMG and gives no real value to...
Yeah I mean even my BM Hunter I feel like I can do so much
Take away enrage, do normal interrupts, stun, lust etc
wanton sierra
how about they give us an kind of grip? not like dk grip, way more cool... on sod they added an chain grip but that one is very close to dk grip, im saying something different
muted tree
Well the Idea of warriors is a big dude with a axe that hits stuff , they should add more defensives tho
Or like something that gives us value
wanton sierra
how about an super lowd shout that wakes fainted gamers w? xD lol
vast drum
I just want a buffed necrolord banner, felt most like the warrior fantasy to me tbh
wanton sierra
the cd of the banner that was the problem
muted tree
The sad part is that arms warrior is in one of the most fun and well designed places in m+ since legion that I started maining it
And I don't get fking invited
By anyone
spiral coral
Tier lists
dim basalt
Most people play caster comps so why would they take a warrior lol
spiral coral
I invite arms and fury’s to my groups on my hunter/mage to do the lords work 
wanton sierra
just watch critcake hehehe the dmg dif is high, he said even if qrva and dk die couple times, they would destroy his damage on overall anyways
muted tree
It's like everyone is going for rank 1 u can't tell me that noone wants us even in 16 likecmon bro
Meta slavery at its finest
muted tree
Even in Phys comps they choose mm tho
dim basalt
MM is the reason phys even works so that argument doesn't work
muted tree
How is that?
dim basalt
They carry with dps
spiral coral
I stopped complaining about it a long time ago. Just run my own keys, make my own vibe 
muted tree
True
dim basalt
MM is incredibly strong
spiral coral
Resil made group and key running even better. Really neat being able to be in a cool group, but fuck up and just be chill and run it back
dim basalt
Resil could still be better
spiral coral
For sure
dim basalt
Let people actually prog keys
spiral coral
Agree
It needs some tweaking but it’s better than something being downgraded to oblivion
muted tree
Resil made tips even worse too
My only chance getting in pugs is with tips which I refuse to do
Sucks
spiral coral
I’ll send Invs for like 2 mins and if I don’t get accepted I run my own key. If I don’t like the people, I just go on an alt lmao
wanton sierra
iplayed with a boomkin that wanted resil coz he messed up his first pull dmg xD
even the smallest of mistakes now are reason xD
minor gust
With the ilvl increase it's pretty easy to massively fuck up 16s and still time
wanton sierra
true!
i finally got to the 17s, but i got tons of work to do... all my friends are pushing! and im working on a sunday!!!! jesus xD
minor gust
Still got plenty of time to grind out title
wanton sierra
yes, i need a couple hours and i finish this
minor gust
Just ask
lean wraith
what is different about slayer that they can drop the roar buffs for cruel strikes?
slow saddle
what is different about slayer that they can drop the roar buffs for cruel strik...
Slayer likes pressin executie
Col not so much
minor gust
what is different about slayer that they can drop the roar buffs for cruel strik...
No one as far as I know takes cruel strikes over roar talents
I know I would never
boreal remnant
With BiS + HoC do I use HoC on second CS or hold for 2nd ava
magic canopy
With BiS + HoC do I use HoC on second CS or hold for 2nd ava
Use HoC on avatar and bis on bladestorm/rava
They put eachother on cd
slow saddle
No one as far as I know takes cruel strikes over roar talents
In m+ in raid its cruel strikes
eager sigil
yea they are talking about slayer m+
minor gust
In m+ in raid its cruel strikes
Well yeah the guy was asking m+
minor gust
you could take any talent that you want
doesnt mean you should!
even if roar is pretty weak compared to what it was before its still a good chunk of dmg
and slayer in keys doesnt really press execute as much as you think
mostly just last 20% of a boss fight
fresh spire
in keys you would want to play roar>cruel for more aoe
minor gust
yee
fresh spire
build already has pretty solid st, lacks consistant rng
minor gust
yeah its why I like DN
fresh spire
been trying to cook some ww, not looking too good, still 2m dps behind for aoe on 5 targets 
tacit crystal
in keys you would want to play roar>cruel for more aoe
me when i play cruel instead of swift
minor gust
lmao no FIshy noo
fresh spire
wanted to push WW to its max spin power
if seismic worked properly for WW it would be good
minor gust
I cant see WW ever being viable unless they add it to reap and CM
weak wave
what is going on with evokers? top 1st boss
minor gust
imagine if u got demo stacks from WW
fresh spire
tbf ww's own damage is solid, cleave has the edge because of deepwounds/reap
rough sluice
what is going on with evokers? top 1st boss
They pump
minor gust
minor gust
yeah if It can work with reap/CM I can see it being real
until then its not a real abillity
fresh spire
(one hit of ww is much higher as making all 3 hit 100% harder in simc is nightmare so just made the one tick hit harder instead)
minor gust
reap does so much dmg now
fresh spire
lowkey, wouldn't hate WW being the main focus for slayer while colossus has cleave
already having to spend a point for SD is just
minor gust
personally I think WW should just be deleted
after the TWW changes there just isnt much reason for it to exist
fresh spire
cleave replaces it in just every aspect, they need to make something interesting for it on the hero tree tho
minor gust
well its just very weird they only added cleave to the hero talents
fresh spire
cleave going baseline<- etc
still think they need to chip the BS duration a little or buff its damage more 
dim basalt
still think they need to chip the BS duration a little or buff its damage more <...
Former would be better
Though a lot of people here enjoy the duration lol
tacit crystal
cleave replaces it in just every aspect, they need to make something interesting...
i just wish we had 14s ww
dim basalt
fury bladestorm lasts long enough to itch your nose
Dont need bladestorm for that
On a 3 button spec
minor gust
well thats the common joke on why people like long bladestorm so they can pick their nose mid fight
minor gust
10/10 game
minor gust
if they get cheated out of game of the year I will def riot this time
Poor poor Wukong
minor gust
I picked Verso because him and Renoir were 100% in the right
dim basalt
Went for the other because I didnt like Verso but I agree
minor gust
went back and checked out the Maelle ending few days later and my soul died for verso his old pained face in black and white was cinema had to make it my PFP
dim basalt
haha
minor gust
||Poor Gustave got shafted and replaced by Verso||
dim basalt
|| Gustave was really well written, I liked him although he didnt have a lot of time||
minor gust
yeah
dim basalt
Meanwhile Verso...
latent moss
this shit is so bs
its hilarious
so seismic works
with tc, tb and cleave
but is bugged for ww
fresh spire
this shit is so bs
its 30% of one tick, because cleave/clap is all one instance of damage the 30% of that works alot cleaner, if anything ww should tick 4 times instead of 3 using same AP conversion per tick
latent moss
no
minor gust
most likely not
latent moss
its 30% of one tick, because cleave/clap is all one instance of damage the 30% o...
is 33% per tick
minor gust
thats why they tried to just kill it without removing it like most things in the arms tree in TWW
latent moss
just make it so its 100% for ww instead of 30%
fresh spire
make ability add a +1 to the ability or fix the actual AP value of WW gain seperately
its same reason why its so bad in fury too
shadow ibex
That's so fuckin funny to me lol
The same people telling us they sre happy with warrior probably have no idea ww hits 3 times
SD bug they def don't know about
minor gust
Dont worry im sure one of the devs has leveled a warrior and maybe done a heroic dungeon with it
shadow ibex
Lol that's the best part
It's shit you'd find if you just played for a weekend
None of them have done a colossus key
gaunt owl
why would the devs plays his own game anywy
shadow ibex
Or else this snare bullshit wouldn't last a weekend
gaunt owl
its like reading the book your wrote
minor gust
they are playing mage and shaman
shadow ibex
So much shit wouldn't exist
If anyone took a weekend to play warrior at like a heroic level
arctic fjord
do we lose damage when hard swapping to adds on bandit or should I cleave off boss with sweeping?
dim basalt
Just cleave off boss
shadow ibex
they are playing mage and shaman
If jug still exists I might just chalk this class next tier
misty sandal
do we lose damage when hard swapping to adds on bandit or should I cleave off bo...
The raid moving the boss for melee to cleave is the recommended strat
dim basalt
And hit the adds with an execute every now and then for hjugg
minor gust
If jug still exists I might just chalk this class next tier
ive already told myself if jugg isnt removed or significantly changed in 11.2 im just only playing fury in raid
shadow ibex
We have multiple buttons that when people ask if they should use them, the answer is ehhh do you want another keybjnd
But we're happy with warrior
misty sandal
ive already told myself if jugg isnt removed or significantly changed in 11.2 im...
I just want ss to be off the gcd, at least 
shadow ibex
minor gust
I just want ss to be off the gcd, at least <:sadge:820202363359854633>
we all do but jugg is my biggest complaint of this version of arms by a mile
no other problem comes close
shadow ibex
You'll hate mop fury
minor gust
oops wrong channel
minor gust
You'll hate mop fury
thought u were the one that said mop fury was the best
shadow ibex
It was
hollow plover
You'll hate mop fury
Was mop fury or arms better? Do u know?
shadow ibex
But not fora modern audience
minor gust
I play classic wow man
shadow ibex
Raging blow charges only came from getting enraged. Enrage only comes from BT crits
minor gust
I can play vanilla wow all day
shadow ibex
bT had x2 crit chance. So 31% crit 62 on BT
It was probably only time we really were a pool and spend class
You had to go into each CS windows with 2 rb chages (Max it can stack) and rage for heroic strike
minor gust
yeah I remember how old RB used to work im just unsure how fury as a whole operated
shadow ibex
Then between CS was maintenence.
minor gust
so im curious since ive seen a lot of ppl say it was their favorite version of fury
shadow ibex
You can't rb too much between cs cuz now no rb for cs
Can't spend too much rage cuz rage was very diff
And your only filler outside of it was wild strike for 30. Very expensive
With the CD of bloodthirst always allowing 2 globals between cast, at most you can get 3 RBs per CS window iirc
The third came from berserker rage
Or a lucky BT crit inside CS
It was very much a pool and spend gameplay. If you spent resources outside of CS you'd neuter your dmg
minor gust
was fury fun from the start or was it like oh gotta wait till the last tier of the expansion for it to be super fun
shadow ibex
Better to have empty globals and heroic strike inside CS than cast a 30 rage wild strike cuz ur bored of autos outside of CS
It was rough at the start
Very little crit
And you needed to crit to raging blow. No way around it
minor gust
so sounds like I level up then afk till Throne of Thunder comes out
shadow ibex
No proc no bt x times. If you didn't crit the spec didn't function
It was rough in msv
shadow ibex
Eventually we went to stormbolt and that felt better
Instead of bloodbath
Since it was another attack to use inside CS
Both had 30 sec cd so cs and bolt were perfect together
shadow ibex
so sounds like I level up then afk till Throne of Thunder comes out
Make sure ur worgen too
minor gust
hellll nawww
shadow ibex
1% crit racial is 2% on BT
When your performance lives and dies based on BT crit
Trust man
minor gust
you aint catching me min max racials in retail and you aint gonna catch me doing it in classic
devout oak
yo boys, new to the spec, but fairly experienced player, do we have an up to date rotation/things to track (esp m+, rait ST seems pretty straightforward)
shadow ibex
Was mop fury or arms better? Do u know?
Arms went through 3 or 4 iterations in mop alone. Hard to say what it was like idr all the versions
devout oak
I feel like the wowhead one is somewhat wonky
minor gust
wdym
shadow ibex
Now we can't even get a rework. Chad mop arms getting a different version of the spec every patch
minor gust
because the main theorycrafter in here is the same guy that does the wowhead and icey veins guides
shadow ibex
devout oak
sorta assumes you got executioners precision in rotation even though it's not in the M+ build?
minor gust
sorta assumes you got executioners precision in rotation even though it's not in...
idk where your seeing that
devout oak
minor gust
oh you said EP
thought you said MFE
if you dont play with EP execute is just a slam replacement
that should be the only thing the guide doesnt bring up
devout oak
so no EP = MS still better?
devout oak
excellent. Thanks bud!
shadow ibex
You can drop EP if you want
Pressing exe as colossus takes a couple hours off your life each time you use it
devout oak
felt that way
hollow zephyr
Are there any content creators you’d suggest? Video guides work better for me then just reading
dim basalt
Unless youre playing with a sham it feels horrondous
minor gust
Are there any content creators you’d suggest? Video guides work better for me th...
If your looking for video guides Madox has some and Bizentien should have one aswell
hollow zephyr
Thanks!
devout oak
Unless youre playing with a sham it feels horrondous
You can play arms without a sham???
minor gust
considering rage isnt a real resource
shadow ibex
You just need 1 rage talent
minor gust
yeah
shadow ibex
Finishing blows or bloodsurge
dim basalt
As long as you dont have to press exe it works
dim basalt
Kind of, without a sham you can run out of rage
shadow ibex
SD procs go a long way
dim basalt
Sucks that skyfury is so powerful tbh
minor gust
Slayer M+ with EP can sustain execute rotation pretty well without rage talents
if your playing correctly
devout oak
thought slaye was exclusively raid
minor gust
the one time you actually have to manage your rage as an arms warrior
Nah you can play slayer in M+ if you want
its not better than colossus but its not far behind at all
and will do more ST
shadow ibex
I wonder they explain that at blizzard
shadow ibex
They adjusted rage cost and such going in to TWW
Because rage idk
And I really couldn't tell you what the difference is
hollow zephyr
I have this thing where I swear my last hit of demolish doesn’t go off sometimes. Is that due to range possibly like if they move or?
minor gust
I have this thing where I swear my last hit of demolish doesn’t go off sometimes...
common issue when the target moves out of range or you can accidentally cancel by jumping
shadow ibex
Which makes it fun in a tier with mobs that jump like top
Or blink like those surprise inspections
Very fun to have hero spec not work because someone built a scaffolding
shadow ibex
JUST USE IT INTELLIGENTLY DUH
NO OTHER CLASS DEALS WITH IT BUT TAKE THE EXTRA MENTAL LOAD OF HAVING TO TIME YOUR BIG CHANNEL
shadow ibex
Fuckin clowns man
hollow zephyr
Very fun to have hero spec not work because someone built a scaffolding
Damn. Foiled by ninja again
shadow ibex
Being told the spec is fine when my resource bar isn't rage, it's juggernaut or demo stacks
lean wraith
@minor gust @slow saddle sorry for the late replies guys, the top slayer on murlok had cruel strikes instead of the roar buffs, yeah it felt weird having none of the roar tale ts
Talents
Thanks for your help ima switch them
minor gust
dont fully trust stat websites like murlok or archon
lookin that the "top slayer" on Murlok dude is just in ST talents
minor gust
idk how Murlok does its info and categorizing but it just looks like he logged out in raid talents
slow saddle
Logged out in
minor gust
and Murlok put him as top slayer M+ player
hollow plover
<@404826388701380608> <@242626242254209025> sorry for the late replies guys, the...
Bad website dont use it, it includes mistakes
lean wraith
Okidokie, i thought it would be good as its the top keyers talents
hollow plover
Murlok counts u as slayer whenever u finish a dungeon and immediately swap talents to ST before logging out
minor gust
never used this website but yeah looks really poopy
minor gust
if your looking for talent builds theres ones in any of the guides linked in here https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715
you can also just ask in here anytime for suggestions
minor gust
Isnt gg one decent?
close they almsot had it but culling cyclone is bad
BF is better in all scenarios last time I simmed
slow saddle
minor gust
Okidokie, i thought it would be good as its the top keyers talents
this is what I use for slayer keys. Battlelord point can go anywhere tbh
I just like it IK the build Archi has in DPS FAQ has that point in massacre
lean wraith
Oh man thankyou, thats awesome. I play prot as colossus and id rather have each spec feel abit more different
Saved the image so i can import it when im online tomorrow 🙂
half imp
question we switch next id cleave with ww ?
minor gust
no
half imp
😦
slow saddle
Ofc not?
shadow ibex
Best change ever
Fuel confusion
And can't even blame people. 100% buff the button must be good right?
unkempt wren
100% ww buff tho, its gunna hit for the HUNDREDS of thousands now!!!
Tbh, whenever I see a massive buff for wow on a skill it's more like "damn, that was trash and will probably still be trash"
Nothing really ever gets nerfed or buffed by that much xD
dim basalt
Sounds accurate
hollow axle
Do we need to do masks to get the superior helm enchant next week?
minor gust
no
stark cape
Anyone know the Overall Buff % Increase?
I havent seen many playing Bladestorm in M+ or i could be looking in the wrong places.
hollow axle
You can see the changes and % stuff on #updates-midnight
dim basalt
Anyone know the Overall Buff % Increase?
0.00%
I think youre confusing Whirlwind with Bladestorm
stark cape
Ahh shit im in the wrong channel. Was going to ask Fury
shadow ibex
tanking dungeons probably fastest leveling yea?
chilly coyote
shadow ibex
it was p fun when fob made it cost 40 rage
shut dust
hey, just started playing few days ago because I saw that arms is finally ahead of fury
now I saw buffs to fury, how big are those? are we going to be switching from arms to fury? or arms is still aight?
outer forge
is eye of kezan good in M+ or is it really only a raid trinket?
just got one out of my weekly chest
from the quest
naive sage
is eye of kezan good in M+ or is it really only a raid trinket?
It’s good in long fights only so big no no for M+ unless for whatever reason your tank keeps perma combat
outer forge
that's what i figured. rip
just getting this dude geared up, replaced a 626 sacbrood
wonder if it's even better than the sacbrood in m+..
rare kite
hey, just started playing few days ago because I saw that arms is finally ahead ...
arms has been ahead of fury in m+ this entire expansion. arms will still be ahead in m+ after buffs
south minnow
If a fight is sub 5 min and you lust on pull... is it better to tempered potion with the lust or in execute?
rare kite
If a fight is sub 5 min and you lust on pull... is it better to tempered potion ...
pull
tacit crystal
wintry arch
How important is it to play around collateral dmg in m+?
magic canopy
honestly entirely depends on the pack size and how the tank pulls
i try to match it with Cmash or ravager at least. and definatly worth holding a bit if you can match it with both
but if you are like 30 seconds out from Csmash or ravager i just send it so i can keep cleavin
south minnow
How important is it to play around collateral dmg in m+?
Watch Critcakes m+ Arms vod review. Its important
grave mulch
Who’s ready for ww to be buffed by 100% in a few days wowwww weeee
wintry arch
I will Ty both
My guild is finally on gallywix. Am I trolling big time if I play colossus?
hollow plover
My guild is finally on gallywix. Am I trolling big time if I play colossus?
yea kinda
gallywix is a fury fight first and foremost
if u dont like fury
go slayer arms
wintry arch
We have a really good fury warrior
wintry arch
I might just sit honestly
And give my spot to a homie
I don’t suck at slayer arms I just have so much more fun on colossus
hollow plover
mate
wintry arch
And i know I’d be super trolling going fury
hollow plover
im saying this for your sake
ait
colossus arms is not fun
adds move perma
gally moves perma
the movements are weird as hell
colossus is depression
you will not have fun
you can play it, im sure it wont do that poorly
but...yea
hollow plover
do you not like fury ?
hollow plover
No im just worse than our other warrior
fury is very high value even if slightly underperformed simply due to you being able to full send bladestorms onto technicians to kill em
magic canopy
New meta evolving, 19 priory 5 minutes under time xdd
dude this was my 17 prio
outlaw is somethin else
iron ibex
honestly not bad for pug outlaw with no monk buff
magic canopy
gotta love not only being capped but almost ever sharpshooter was behind me out of the group becuase of the ranged lmao
iron ibex
ye i mean i had that too very often here cuz no grips at all, but somehow it's still fast so
magic canopy
idk i just finished 17 resils but
my character is just not gonna match boomkin damage
pull size does factor in a LOT tho
iron ibex
if u keep playing with rsham i can guarantee u will, cuz he will die 2x as much as u or more
magic canopy
real issue is pugging
iron ibex
idk how much u game collat but this is main thing i see people not do and its huge dps loss
but knowing how tank is gonna pull and not dying because he has no idea how to generate threat is def something important
and i can imagine how it looks in 17s
wintry arch
magic canopy
New meta evolving, 19 priory 5 minutes under time xdd
hes playing fucking dreadnaught
oh my
iron ibex
of course
iron ibex
oh yeah let me ss overpower that sharpshooter that stand 10 yards behind the pack
flat willow
oh nice, demolish cleave and now dreadnaught not hitting all the mobs
magic canopy
are fucking massive
rare kite
hes playing fucking dreadnaught
more overall xD
torn gate
Huh I just came back after a 3 week off, wtf happened to outlaw?
hollow plover
Huh I just came back after a 3 week off, wtf happened to outlaw?
their AoE was bugged
it got fixed and now its one of the best aoe specs
iron ibex
more overall xD
Speccing EP just to get more ST for you rn
torn gate
Sounds great
rare kite
Speccing EP just to get more ST for you rn
spec fatality instead for the memes
iron ibex
for the memes let me play fury
rare kite
fatality big value rookery last boss or some shit
iron ibex
ah yeah gonna respec after 2nd boss for that one
magic canopy
i guess the overall makes sense tbh
rare kite
ya just get summoned by your warlock. and if you don't have a warlock get one
magic canopy
outlaw is capped and sin takes a bit to ramp
so you just get to do insane aoe compared to like a dk/boom
iron ibex
sin had one wrong talent and apparently was doing 6% less than normally
i mean i played with uhdk/assa/vdh too
iron ibex
hitting no sharpshooters ever
well actually checked and dreadnaught did more damage than OP to sharpshooters
it's mostly first pull where they are positioned badly where u have hard time to keep hitting them, but it also doesn't matter much because u are waiting for miniboss spawn
If i had grips then i can guarantee you they are in 99% cases standing in front of me
but it's different perspective if you just pug vault
iron ibex
this was chain not one pull
it was actually 2 pulls
we just stayed in combat for enitre time kinda
first pull only had 3 packs + miniboss
route was def made to avoid gigapulls with this comp cuz otherwise we would struggle with kicks and stops
warped prism
Do yall find arms or fury more enjoyable - rotation wise
hollow plover
Do yall find arms or fury more enjoyable - rotation wise
slayer arms is jugg reliant so its fuckin awful, colossus arms has to press like 7 GCDs before you even get to go into rotation
fury is smooth
its old gameplay, but its smooth at least
rose matrix
Just saw that guy say 6.42m overall for that rogue was not bad without a monk buff
I feel like that is insane for a +17 pug
magic canopy
the funny thing is he is technically the most uncapped class in the comp
hunter is 5. warrior is 5 he is 8
hollow plover
madox no stream today?
rare kite
what season
rare kite
goddamn, going through it fast
hollow plover
madox may i interest you in funny sudden death proc animations
rare kite
first few seasons of supernatural has aged so goddamn well
hollow plover
even if SD does not damage at least it looks cool
im using level 25 gear at level 39 and im still doing big dam with red wing SD procs
magic canopy
first few seasons of supernatural has aged so goddamn well
it was VERY 2005 but ive been enjoying it still
its def like they ran out of stuff but i mean, its been almost 200 episodes hard to make that much content
visual fern
its def like they ran out of stuff but i mean, its been almost 200 episodes hard...
Castiel is infinite content wym
visual fern
magic canopy
tacit crystal
rain cipher
How do you play with the tank monk? I always get aggro with them. I don’t know what’s wrong with them!
swift crown
I believe this is what's coloquially known as an issue in the skill department
hollow plover
+1
tacit crystal
do you think its better to lust in execute or on first phase of rookery with arcane and uh
dire hinge
How do you play with the tank monk? I always get aggro with them. I don’t know w...
give them the ole Blood DK treatment, do a 1-2-3 count then burst
and pray DbtS is up 😂
slow saddle
Problem with brew is mainly players.
grand idol
I think monks also have the threat issue that dh have. If they aren't in combat with the thing some stuff doesn't generate threat. So if the monk likes to open with keg then it does a lot of damage but no threat.
slow saddle
Y, also always wait until mobs are stacked.
slow saddle
I think monks also have the threat issue that dh have. If they aren't in combat ...
Im 99% certain u are right, as ive notices i cant even press cleave at times. But other times no issue at all with brewster
void bay
How do you play with the tank monk? I always get aggro with them. I don’t know w...
Monks appear proud of making life hard for themselves
warped idol
so many raid trinket choices makes my warrior brain hurt
should i just kezan/cards everything
or use locknstalk/cards for pure ST
astral yarrow
Kezan big poo poo on short fights
dire hinge
and for m+, it's probably (one of) the worst trinket you could wear
warped idol
yeah im not using it on m+
might as well just slam locknstalk
since all fights are starting to become quite short
stable fiber
and for m+, it's probably (one of) the worst trinket you could wear
depends heavily on dungeon to be fair
its either the worst or the best, like 0 inbetween
slow saddle
depends heavily on dungeon to be fair
Which dungeon best?
swift crown
Depends more on if you're pugging or not
stable fiber
you rapidly lose stacks out of combat
thats what the tooltip says but its not really rapidly
swift crown
And I wouldn't wear Kezan for lower keys
slow saddle
Id say if u are in combat for 4mins before bosses
stable fiber
works same way as signet brand
stable fiber
Which dungeon best?
cinderbrew, priory, motherload you can all have close to 100% uptime
priory you can have pure 100% uptime
and a 20 stacker before the first boss
there was a log posted the last time this was discussed of a like 90% 20 stack uptime in a workshop
if you have a mythic pacemaker its better than heroic eye though regardless of dungeon, and HoC is just too good to replace
stable fiber
lens sims better
slow saddle
Y until mythic hoc at least
dim basalt
Cringe if you dont have mythic hoc
slow saddle
Excuse me for being a shitter
Next season dinars will be used on m+uber trinkets i have fsith
dim basalt
Excuse me for being a shitter<:keks:936231610850897992>
Apology rejected
slow saddle
Hey i will have u know we have sprocket on 45%
Should be dead but we have some range ppl, and tanks thst struggle
slow saddle
My fav is ppl switching color without noticing evwn when wa yells at u and writes
Mainly coz melee do so little🤣
dim basalt
You can configure the WA to only tell you if you have to swap
slow saddle
And we are used to shitshow with no space
dim basalt
Which makes the fight a lot more chill
dim basalt
Yeah but dont need that big info on screen if you dont have to move
Makes it less cluttered
slow saddle
True
bright ginkgo
Closest timed key ever?
void bay
Closest timed key ever? <:keks:936231610850897992>
peter da cheatah
bright ginkgo
Ye felt a bit undeserved 🤡
void bay
Nah thats close as fuck, congrats!
bright ginkgo
Thank you!
rain cipher
Closest timed key ever? <:keks:936231610850897992>
Congrats
terse spindle
What lvl reputation do you have with Liberation of Undermine? 12?13?
regal wharf
slow saddle
So now we ww instead of tc outside melee range
languid bison
can pass wa for critcaker?? complete
minor gust
?
sacred zodiac
can pass wa for critcaker?? complete
his weakaura is a combination of his own stuff and stuff he's collected from other people including atrocityui which is paid for
no one should be giving you the entire thing ye
minor gust
He is asking if someone have the WA that Critcake is using and to share it.
thanks for the translation
Critcake has everything but the atrocity portion of his UI in his discord
hard rock
can you spell reflect the pickaxe on Candle King if you decide to take it to the face?
minor gust
no
warped willow
I’ve got a champion eye and a hero track lock and stalk… should I get pacemaker or HoC do y’all think 🤔
minor gust
big red button
warped willow
What the
crisp reef
if I craft a 681 arms weapon, will that make my prot weapon upgrades free? or no
minor gust
no
crisp reef
😦 wtf
minor gust
a 2h wep is not the same as a 1h
paper gulch
turbid plinth
if I craft a 681 arms weapon, will that make my prot weapon upgrades free? or no
Yea it will
Free of crests for weapon+shield, also for 2nd 2h if you go fury, it’ll cost valor stones as usually
crisp reef
Yea it will
everyone else was telling me no
turbid plinth
everyone else was telling me no
Then everyone was wrong
Cos I did it on at least 5 chars or so, including my war. As a matter of fact my first craft this season was a 2h weapon and instantly upgraded my weapon and shield after that.
The 2h weapon will simply ‘mark’ both weaponslots as 681
minor gust
hmmm just double checked yeah i was wrong
calm hollow
everyone else was telling me no
just checked and can confirm, you can level them for free, if you crafted a weap
just make sure to relog
stark cape
Anyone in here using Mythic Capital Punisher for Arms? Thinking about spending my Dinar on it since I already have Myth Jastor Diamond, Eye of Kezan, Bombsuit. I never killed OAB so can't buy Best in Slots unfortunately. I see Fury Warriors using Cap Punisher in Offhand but just not sure if anyones using it on Arms > a Great Vault 684 2H.
calm hollow
Anyone in here using Mythic Capital Punisher for Arms? Thinking about spending m...
did u buy a gally boost?
dire hinge
definitely did that at the start of the expansion and got my shield/sword for free
calm hollow
Anyone in here using Mythic Capital Punisher for Arms? Thinking about spending m...
i do use it btw, its only 10k under Bis on 5 mins
17k on 4 mins
shadow ibex
definitely did that at the start of the expansion and got my shield/sword for fr...
P sure it's warrior unique
calm hollow
but its not rare, so would be kinda waste to spend a dinar on it
shadow ibex
Since every spec can use everything
As soon as you get a weapon they are all cheap upgrades
stark cape
I guess I could buy the Floodgate Trinket on Myth. Just waiting on the Droptimizer to see whats worth or not.
and ive killed several bosses just not OAB yet. hoping to in the next few weeks.
calm hollow
you have Hoc already?
minor gust
if your gonna kill it eventually no need to spend a dinar on punisher
minor gust
Richard
stark cape
I do have HoC (heroic)
calm hollow
i would still buy Hoc mythic over Bis, if you have 684 weapon, but sim is always the best option
stark cape
LOL it said Torcs Big Red Button is a 55k DPS increase. Overall 8%. Theres no shot.
minor gust
Bis was still a bigger upg for me from a 684 wep than Mythic HOC just sim tho
stark cape
And I had accidentally not selected 684. it was saying that with it being base 665.
Yeah im simming it now.
Outside of raid prog or long fights I dont really see me using Myth Eye of Kezan that I have either.
calm hollow
kezan is only for hc last and mythic last 2
stark cape
I actually went and main swapped to Unholy for the season so im just back on the warrior now trying to cap out all my gear with Gilded Crests.
calm hollow
maybe bandit
stark cape
Hoping to find some Dad guild thats doing OAB before the end of the tier.
Please tell me that the Big Red button is bugged sim bait.
calm hollow
link sim
minor gust
if you ever have a question about sims you should link it
stark cape
Ahh i figured it out
I had bomb suit equipped
I gotta redo it i clicked out of it.
sorry
crisp reef
in keys, should you channel demolish off cd within cds/warbreaker, or wait for full stacks?
shadow ibex
It should have max stacks naturally
crisp reef
roger
shadow ibex
If you find yourself with demolish ready to cast and not 10 stacks, you aren't pressing MS and cleave enough
stable fiber
im ngl this sim looks like a 30 second sim on like a lot of targets
because big red button shouldnt sim better than any other raid trinket really
slow saddle
Or he has hooorid gear
stable fiber
nah even then
slow saddle
Ok🤣
stable fiber
it would have to be a short sim im guessin
wanton sierra
dfc 17
wanton sierra
yes he said his main is dh and he got a mage i think
the guy is insane, very good gamer
minor gust
not slayer smh
fast torrent
anybody take this in M+?
dim basalt
Lots of people do
white hedge
Any reason why juggernaut duration is so short?
Hell
I can barely up keep it as arms in raids
Outside of execute range of course
dim basalt
Any reason why juggernaut duration is so short?
Hell
I can barely up keep it as ...
Welcome to Arms
Pure rng whether you will go into execute with lots of stacks or not
Which affects your parse a lot
zenith warren
is charge on mugzee a bit fucky? I sometimes charge from behind and end up being in front and laser gets me
dim basalt
is charge on mugzee a bit fucky? I sometimes charge from behind and end up being...
Thats because youre charging too early
If you charge while hes moving your charge predicts the movement and puts you inside of him
zenith warren
gotcha
fresh spire
If you charge while hes moving your charge predicts the movement and puts you in...
This, wait for the spin to begin then you can charge without worry
mortal crag
i KNOw its only a 10
but how's my damage breakdown? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DFyBpT7wfGnrVQaZ?fight=last&type=damage-done
white hedge
Pure rng whether you will go into execute with lots of stacks or not
funny how fury up keeps it like free but arms who really really needs that jugg stack in execute phase is like
haha i like how there was an intermission mid way now there goes your 8 stacks
just make juggernaut 30 seconds D:
shadow ibex
just make juggernaut not exist
white hedge
i like juggernaut ngl
the feeling of ramping execute
especially when u play as prot
where you execute already slaps
juggernaut makes it feel like sex
just kinda sadge execute natively sucks ass on the dps specs
shadow ibex
its p trash to be punished for sending your CDs in execute before you got 15
juggernaut eats ass and will continue to eat ass until they remove it
rare kite
i like juggernaut ngl
the feeling of ramping execute
especially when u play as p...
you do know that juggernaut is what makes execute hit like a whet noodle outside of it right? you cannot have exe baseline hit hard and have juggernaut
white hedge
prot execute baseline is good
at least id say it is good enough
but outside of prot, yea i understand why its ass
hexed snow
calm hollow
juggernaut is cancer
you dont like losing 15 stacks on Rik in intermission?
its so fun
calm hollow
meanwhile me
boreal quartz
i escaped the 6 month sub
quasi torrent
installieren
boreal quartz
it was fun first week
fresh spire
remix first like 3 days
boreal quartz
yes
quasi torrent
in retrospect it was kinda fucking shit cause all ur dam was fucking gems
boreal quartz
in retrospect it was kinda fucking shit cause all ur dam was fucking gems
ye if it was more extreme on class damage it wouldve been grand
manic stirrup
shadow ibex
die jug die
when it finally dies we need that grim reaper meme with jug asking if it was a good talent
minor gust
no, no you werent
shadow ibex
its actually impressive how bad you were