Blizzard do this shit on purpose
#arms
gaunt owl
minor gust
ION talking about going to original RPG roots and having permanents choices meanwhile wow has never really had Impactful permanent choices
gaunt owl
WoD was great story but we somehow ended with Gromash being chaind by Guldan and we kill Archimonde again ?
gaunt owl
ION talking about going to original RPG roots and having permanents choices mean...
C'thun was mathematically unkillable
being he cant math anyway
i will always remember how shit people were at playing the game back in Vanilla
bronze tiger
which vendor has stormbringers and fathomdwellers?
minor gust
I was like 12 when I first started playing in WOTLK
bronze tiger
i cant seem to find
gaunt owl
I was like 12 when I first started playing in WOTLK
fuck you are young
gaunt owl
socializing with NPCs in your garrison
i had more friends in WoW than now
spent countless night doing random shit
and the game started grinding in Legion with the artefact
it lost the mmo
and started the me me me rpg grind
i enjoyed legion but still it was a grind fest
3 different weapon with AP
and the 3 different runes that you had too loot too
and the crucible in the last tier
sick leaf
Does Writing Armor Banding double dawnthread or do i need to recraft both to get double dawnthread?
rare kite
the circlet is only a 3k dps upgrade for me rofl
wdym it literally says 10k right there
bronze tiger
wdym it literally says 10k right there
thats with changing the enchant
rare kite
thats with changing the enchant
but you're changing the enchant on the other rings anyway?
bronze tiger
but you're changing the enchant on the other rings anyway?
im honestly not sure what to do, i can upgrade the other ring to 671 which i can almost guarentee itll sim better
gaunt owl
tacit crystal
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hssA0Q16CWE
why is the trinket so strong
gaunt owl
questing at the peakest peak
gaunt owl
why is the trinket so strong
why the fuck are you showing me a stupid mage sim
i'm calling the authority to ban you from this place
heresy
@ornate eagle @smoky kayak @hexed saddle @crimson charm smite his ass
rare kite
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k1wV6LGpwAi6Uo5i7BGP4B
then just upgrade that ring instead. if lacking flightstones or gilded play cyrce until you get enough
bronze tiger
then just upgrade that ring instead. if lacking flightstones or gilded play cyrc...
thank you, will do
gaunt owl
i'm gonna go drink myself to sleep now for curing this mage sim i saw
i wasnt prepared
gaunt owl
fucking fuckity fucked
rare kite
im sorry you had to see how far Skyhold has fallen
worst arms expansion ever and there's a mage sim
minor gust
its all ogre now
gaunt owl
worst arms expansion ever and there's a mage sim
we had SL
the council need some time to determine wich xpac was the worst
rare kite
SL playstyle was better imo
smoky kayak
cancel bladestorm tech
gaunt owl
Fury was in the dust too
shadow ibex
hard to remember much about CN besides
arms and fury fighting eachother for worst dps
gaunt owl
i was playing Ret because it was somewhat better
shadow ibex
rng buff leggo
gaunt owl
ok this xpac is cooked
rare kite
cancel bladestorm tech
we do that this expansion as well in rare scenarios
shadow ibex
deadly calm being a 1min CD ability for a 45 and 90 sec class
SL had some sleeper hits
shadow ibex
4 free abilities every minute
gaunt owl
too many CD
shadow ibex
just ignore the only stuff that cost rage above 35 is MS and slam...and we didnt have MS resets
smoky kayak
we do that this expansion as well in rare scenarios
maybe you do 
rare kite
pop bladestorm, get sd proc and jugg is about to run out...
shadow ibex
pop bladestorm, get sd proc and jugg is about to run out...
you made your bed
now lie in it
gaunt owl
pop bladestorm, get sd proc and jugg is about to run out...
cant let the juggy jugg stackity get unstacked
shadow ibex
you wanna play arms this is arms
shadow ibex
https://tenor.com/view/matrix-morpheus-air-breathing-you-think-thats-air-your-breathing-gif-16874743
rare kite
too many CD
even now we have too many cds. 4 that we currently run, and there is a world where we can have 6 cds
gaunt owl
i remember an old ass Survival hunter meme about too many CD
the juggling plate one
many buff much CD all that jazz
shadow ibex
all the torments lame af anyways for both specs
i want both torments
minor gust
i want both torments
double bladestorm go weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
gaunt owl
did you come to bully me in here because of Soda ?
tacit crystal
no
gaunt owl
legit answer required only
tacit crystal
just posted the sim
minor gust
Gio doesnt respect his elders
ebon fern
If the universe is so big, why won't it fight me?
tacit crystal
almost done with wano
i need 30 episodes
also is it just pace
bbut is egg head really short
or the anime not done a lot
gaunt owl
If the universe is so big, why won't it fight me?
lets fight together 
tacit crystal
lets fight together <a:Pedro:1235907106809581589>
is egg head short or
gaunt owl
is egg head short or
didnt follow the anime in a long ass time
rare kite
did it in fury weight gear too
@minor gust how is this possible??? you can't do well with bad secondary stats
rare kite
egghead owns
rare kite
shorter than wano atleast. thank fuck
gaunt owl
thats why i dont follow the anime
how can you make 20 page into 2 episode of 20 minutes
tacit crystal
whaaaaa hwaaa
gaunt owl
he legit joined the discord to flame him
just now
something tells me you create account for your personal vendetta on a daily basis
bronze tiger
ragnaros tank was complaing we didnt get a lust for a key, then proceeds to not hit any defensives in spite and ruins the key
hexed saddle
bye buddy
minor gust
๐ซก
minor gust
He should come back with gift cards next time
gaunt owl
fuck i started having fun with this clown
one day someone will come out with some receipt
they all talk without proof its boring
tacit crystal
magic canopy
gaunt owl
wait its not the first time this clown showed up ?
halcyon breach
If he actually has evidence of the claim, he should actually use his time and effort to expose it to blizzard, and not people who have nothing to do with it ๐
tacit crystal
no i love flooding skyhold
untold trench
Did we finally ban Gio, so the steamcard spam stops? Oh, it was some one else
minor gust
Wait Gio has gift cards give me one
gaunt owl
Did we finally ban Gio, so the steamcard spam stops? Oh, it was some one else
i need to found my game list
i need those
tacit crystal
Did we finally ban Gio, so the steamcard spam stops? Oh, it was some one else
suck my nuts
untold trench
Gotta be fast when they show, Xan is quick to snap em up
cinder bison
With the buffs to whirlwind, will it be better to use it on collateral dmg? Or will cleave still hit harder
halcyon breach
If you have Cleave, you can't WW
gaunt owl
Cleave should still be numerically better
halcyon breach
So it's not really an option to begin with
cinder bison
U can talent out of it lmao.
halcyon breach
Right, but it's implied that you'd have the choice between either or when you'd have CD up
But no, WW is still not better than Cleave
cinder bison
Thanks ๐
wanton sierra
how about overall w?
wanton sierra
damn not bad man... i thought it was going to be low... pretty decent
wanton sierra
damn you smashed the last boss
minor gust
I rarely do keys on warrior these days so I forgetty
gaunt owl
it is time i come back
wanton sierra
but how do we get that talent ? its 2 points investiment
gaunt owl
so people shape up to be at their best
minor gust
but how do we get that talent ? its 2 points investiment
see if you can spot what I drop
wanton sierra
second wind
minor gust
thick kelp
Been calling to drop rally since s1
minor gust
shit abillity send it to the shadow realm
I dont think you can drop overwhelming rage as slayer
since I use EP and actually press execute having that extra rage pool feels nice
gaunt owl
Rally is a fake CD
wanton sierra
i agree rally does very little, especially in dungeons
gaunt owl
its not gonna save people from themself
minor gust
Inspiring presence just had such a low pick rate man
gaunt owl
minor gust
Blizz really should throw warrior a bone and buff rally to like 50% max hp in 5 mans just cuz fuck it
wanton sierra
rally should change by groupsize, if you are in a party, it has 1min cd and more hp... if you are in raid, it is what it is
minor gust
if they can do it for Darkness and all the healing cds then no reason to not give rally the same love
shadow ibex
maybe they just dont know
tacit crystal
i think 1 min for 10% ho across party might be too strong
minor gust
idk if dk bubble has 5 man scaling or not
shadow ibex
maybe they dont know rally is useless in 5man
tacit crystal
just make everyone drop thr talent
minor gust
no shot they dont its been a meme for years and has been brought up ever since they buffed darkness in 5mans
Daddy Dratnos brings it up everytime utillity is talked about
gaunt owl
no shot they dont its been a meme for years and has been brought up ever since t...
since DF
i'm keeping tabs
on the bullshitery of blizzorda
its still fresh on my mind
minor gust
Yeah they culled raid buffs that expansion but also simultaneously buffed them in 5 mans meanwhile rally over here like huh
wanton sierra
since shouts are a unique thing for warriors, it shuold have some more love... like xammy and its totens... maybe add a couple more and remove it from cgd
icy mulch
Battle shout from Legion. /swoon
shadow ibex
since shouts are a unique thing for warriors, it shuold have some more love... l...
Used to generate rage
Good empty global
But from a time when empty globals existed
quiet hare
FR from legion my beloved
dusty rune
Is it just normal to be extremely rage starved in execute these days? How do you guys play around execute phases?
rare kite
Is it just normal to be extremely rage starved in execute these days? How do you...
Feels fine with shaman buff
dusty rune
I see. But without shaman buff we're just cooked or?
rare kite
Idk i don't run execute talents in m+ and if no shaman in raid then raid is cooked
dusty rune
i should propably have clarified, im talking specifically in m+, no shaman in grp.
flat willow
either you play EP, in which case you should have finishing blows to help it
or you play bloodborne and press very little execute
you can also do the good old charge weave
flat willow
ah, that's kind of my zone of expertise, basically in bfa the gcd change forced them to soft rework arms, putting existing abilities in the place of other abilities because they had a damage component to them
but blue isn't red
and red isn't blue, so if you put colossus smash in place of battlecry/recklessness
it doesn't work, the same way if you removed someone's arm and replaced it with a leg, it wouldn't work either
rare kite
what did they do to my favorite class ๐ฆ
Arms has been whack for a long time now. What expansion did you last play?
magic canopy
Slayer 15 floodgate I shoulda beat the dk but I trolled at the end
i just wish slayer had defensive value
colossus is very annoying to play
sudden fox
arctic iris
I swear to god that my key group's tank has a weakaura that tells him when I use demolish
So he knows to drag the mobs away
minor gust
i just wish slayer had defensive value
Yeah it's missing that DR that Colossus has but like dmg wise it's not that far behind at all it's just not bursty. So if I'm ever doing warrior keys I'm chilling and playing Slayer
magic canopy
i think im just gonna play fury the rest of the season
tacit crystal
Yeah it's missing that DR that Colossus has but like dmg wise it's not that far ...
tomorrow we are doing keys with an aug
get ready bud
log in
you bring your lil ahh warrior
magic canopy
based on logs the changes should put fury within 1-200k of arms even in aoe centric dungeons like priory
flat willow
based on logs, mages need more buffs
minor gust
Yeah my ret is my push character shit fucks hard. But I would play warrior if the people I play with didn't need a brez
I would be playing Slayer arms in 17s and 18s right now
magic canopy
warrior just annoying to play
minor gust
Very
shadow ibex
playing 2016 class
minor gust
Slayer is more chill than Colossus but imminent demise and MFE are cringe
shadow ibex
dealing with juggernaut
magic canopy
all this work for some pink boi to hit the divine storm button and do 20% more damage
and still somehow getting buffs
flat willow
now that you mention it, being the only one with a brez happens way too often
maybe I judged the boomkins too harshly
shadow ibex
all this work for some pink boi to hit the divine storm button and do 20% more d...
make sure you use demolish at safe time (:
flat willow
they should always be tier 1 and give me all that sweet utility of them
shadow ibex
dont wanna die because you used hero button!
magic canopy
also make sure the tank didnt randomly cancell your demolish by kiting the mobs
also make sure you aim correctly instead of cleave being 360
shadow ibex
of course
minor gust
Or the mobs jump away because haha
flat willow
I do like all those jumping mobs
magic canopy
also make sure you have to be within 5 yards of the target as a complete mastery of physical melee and ranged combat
flat willow
very fun
shadow ibex
idk why the fuck we are shackled with this 2012 design shit
like why does it have to root
minor gust
Yeah why does arms need all frontal aoe
shadow ibex
because it hits hard
flat willow
do not insult 2012
shadow ibex
why does that logic fuckin exist in 2025 lol
flat willow
the monk 2012 self root ability stunned the mobs so they wouldn't jump away
demolish's design is way worse than og fist of fury
magic canopy
WE THROW A FAKE AXE FOR 40k DAMAGE
flat willow
hey, at least it's harmless
magic canopy
im gonna go bananas man
flat willow
we got talents that make the spec worse if they become bis
looking at you, fatality!
magic canopy
where is the rework i like this class and what it should be so much why is it so bad on anything that isnt a raid boss
minor gust
Just wait for 11.2 ptr then we all collectively crash out
shadow ibex
remember when SkS was good
ahaha
we have to hope the shit talents stay shit
otherwise the gameplay eats ass
thats perfect
magic canopy
why is my opener like 8.5 globals i have big sword i hit mob
minor gust
If there is not bare minimum Jugg changes or deletion in 11.2 I'm only playing fury for raid
Cba anymore
shadow ibex
why is my opener like 8.5 globals i have big sword i hit mob
rawr
also
stomp for rend
shadow ibex
and dont forget the throw the axe down
magic canopy
its astounding how simple and effective this class should be but we somehow juggle more CDs and conditional buffs then most
minor gust
Why cleave no apply rend
shadow ibex
its astounding how simple and effective this class should be but we somehow jugg...
colossus is nearly there
but it has demolish
flat willow
because cleave apply deepwound
minor gust
Why SD no cast TC
magic canopy
like why do we still need to tclap for rend
magic canopy
why cant an arms talent just apply it to deep wounded targets
or just get rid of rend entirely
shadow ibex
because they dont play this shit
flat willow
no no no, that's the wrong way of looking at things, the spec that has a spell casts their entire kit is ret paladin
we can't all be ret paladins
even if we wish we were
minor gust
Rend needs deletion or DW needs deletion
shadow ibex
how can anyone be playing it current tier and think yes i want to bind WW in raid
minor gust
We don't need both
magic canopy
Tom should DIE rend should DIE spear should DIE
flat willow
hmm, I don't disagree
flat willow
I don't hate rend as much as you guys, but I'm the number 1 tom hater
me waiting for the 11.2 ptr to know if I can crash out
minor gust
Good
magic canopy
I just wana at least see some changes. some ideas something man. Whenever i read " we are happy with warrior" i just get sad
The other issue is i have a hard time actually separating how we perform in M+ vs how the class feels to actually play
minor gust
Can't wait for the only arms notes in 11.2 to be another new Warbringer animation
magic canopy
like if the class was actually worth bringing to a key compared to other classes i bet you i wouldn't complain or care as much
flat willow
I hope war bringer gets a new animation every patch of the war within
and I will never call it by its real name
because blizzard refuses to
magic canopy
What i actually need to do is prove and provide evidence of the classes value (bshout lul) and do actual math to prove its actually doing top damage in keys you just dont get to see its benefit becuase details sucks
flat willow
madox playing aug warrior
magic canopy
Like if details actually showed after the key finished and added +damage to your specs based on how much your raid buff did on top of your actual class
imagine what the meters would actually look like
nimble acorn
havoc would be the highest dps in raid
flat willow
vengeance dh first dps
bronze tiger
void ritual the play this week?
bronze tiger
ty โค๏ธ ill go with void ritual
hollow plover
imagine what the meters would actually look like
omg hiii madox big fan of the empyrean hammer hate
magic canopy
when i dont get enough sleep i get cranky and start hating on the pink class
minor gust
Pink class owns 30 sec cds 360 aoe and I press 1 button
hollow plover
dont act like bladestorm wouldnt be explained by 30sec cd 360 aoe
minor gust
if only bladestorm did damage
hollow plover
real
minor gust
and didnt require 3 stacks of cringe
spark mango
guys what is that addon called that shows what spells you have pressed
i want to teach my friend a bit of warriior andi think it helps
manic pasture
how do yall sim for aoe? dungeon slice or 5t or 8t?
grand idol
guys what is that addon called that shows what spells you have pressed
Details has that functionality.
spark mango
thats details when abilties you pressed are shown in screen and move in a row
like the one critcake has
gloomy prism
Maybe silly question the ww buff does that buff cleave too?
warped solstice
Maybe silly question the ww buff does that buff cleave too?
It doesn't. If it did that would be a ridiculous buff.
gloomy prism
Yeah ๐ but cheers for the answer
slow saddle
Man 100% cleave dmg wouldda.been classic blizzars fail
rain stump
guys what is that addon called that shows what spells you have pressed
TrufiGCD
abstract pier
I'm sure its been said.. but I wish demolish didn't have a cast time, or at least allowed us to move while using it. The button overall just kind of sucks to press 
minor gust
welcome to the club
distant mist
What do you guys think is most worth buying for dinar for my arms alt that i mainly run weekly 12s on and some alt mythic raiding?
Have pacemaker myth, myth wep, house of cards hero and will most likely only kill first 4/5 on mythic.
Jastor HC perhaps?
minor gust
sim but sounds like your only option is a Jastors
distant mist
Are we doing expert sims with a route for m+ simming for arms? Or is dungeon slice fine for arms?
minor gust
doesnt matter pick your poison theres no magical 100% accurate way to sim M+
reef birch
is there a catchup mechanic for the cartel chips im missing? I didnt play last week
there is no way they can be dumb enough not to implement one, right?
sacred zodiac
is there a catchup mechanic for the cartel chips im missing? I didnt play last w...
You are cooked for now
reef birch
fkn donkeys
manic egret
what do I have to do to see vendors in oribos?
eager sigil
probably do the intro quest
rain cipher
what do I have to do to see vendors in oribos?
Why are you there? ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
manic egret
Why are you there? ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
spear glyph
weak wave
Ppl are talking about arms (and fury) being target capped.
What do they mean cause we aren't..?
urban iron
Ppl are talking about arms (and fury) being target capped.
What do they mean cau...
They mean exactly that
Fury is hard capped, meat cleaver only hits 5 targets, arms is not as bad - but still heavily soft capped
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/shadowlands-target-capped-abilities-uncapped-capped-spells - this is an older article, the skills listed etc have since been changed but it gives a good overview of the types of caps and how they work which is still relevant
weak wave
Fury is hard capped, meat cleaver only hits 5 targets, arms is not as bad - but ...
Wdym? Meat Cleaver only increases WW and TC dmg. Odyn's Fury is softcapped like WW and Bladestorm.
weak wave
Meat cleaver causes your next 4 attacks to aoe
I guess you mean Improved WW.
Okay Yeah. That's the only skill that's capped
weak wave
Sure. Caster AoE was never capped.
urban iron
Okay Yeah. That's the only skill that's capped
Ok youโre totally right. Guys fury only has one capped aoe spell and arms isnโt target capped. We can all celebrate now our concerns have been resolved
limpid hornet
Prolly new to the class or never payed attention how it's played
worldly knoll
So just saw something that Iโm sure has been talked about before. In m+ single target, are we pressing rend or Tclap?
unkempt wren
Ok youโre totally right. Guys fury only has one capped aoe spell and arms isnโt...
Right? ONly the primary mode of dealing aoe damage is capped. We set bois
worldly knoll
Iโve seen it both ways
sacred zodiac
you should rend but it does not matter
if you want to save the keybind just use tc
worldly knoll
Okay just wanted to make sure it wasnโt a big dps gain/loss either way
arctic iris
Well, just for starters, it looks like you're casting cleave on single target
zinc wolf
potent cedar
yeah I did that a few times
zinc wolf
lunar remnant
So we using ww now?
twin mica
So we using ww now?
i'd also like to know that ๐ค
urban iron
I didnโt math it out but I think the change will mean we would slot in ww in certain situations (like if weโre in st spec and there are multiple targets up and sweep is down)
But that situation is so rare
potent cedar
@urban iron You play arms? do you play arms in M+?
urban iron
<@228540157333078016> You play arms? do you play arms in M+?
When I am forced to yes
potent cedar
what's your ign-realm
urban iron
I do like 4-4.5m overall in most keys?
potent cedar
that's more than me
urban iron
It doesnโt feel bad but I donโt like playing it in keys over my hunter or prot
potent cedar
is that details overall too?
I'm doing like 3m in 12s
literally may as well play prot as a dps slot
urban iron
Yes details overall
potent cedar
urban iron
Critcake did a pretty good deep dive here
potent cedar
I think I'm probably fucking up by doing warbreaker before roar/ravager sometimes
potent cedar
Critcake did a pretty good deep dive here
I'll watch it ty
urban iron
IMO gaming your opportunist procs and tracking 4 set and buffs for big cleaves is important
But I am not arms big brain, I play it for raid if weโre short bshout or if the guild is doing lower keys, like 13 and lower
potent cedar
I don't track either of those things
my cleave just seems to do like
half the damage of everyone elses
solemn grove
Hi , is there any difference in dps between a crafted sword/mace/axe ?
potent cedar
no
solemn grove
kk ty
astral yarrow
IMO gaming your opportunist procs and tracking 4 set and buffs for big cleaves i...
you're mostly playing colossus in keys, 4 set is mostly irrelevant to track and will by no means make or break your dps
biggest cleave thing is being mindful of not spending cleave if you have WB coming up and a big collateral buff rolling
otherwise; 3 nameplates = cleave
sage badge
potent cedar
I cleave more than the other logs I look at and it just does less dam
I also ms and op less though
I'm just doing something wrong
twin mica
well yeah op does increase cleave damage
urban iron
biggest cleave thing is being mindful of not spending cleave if you have WB comi...
I try to be aware of collat coming and hold it if Iโm at like the end of a pack
Because it seems like a pretty large damage disparity between sending it on like 3 mostly dead dudes or a full pack with buffs
Also positioning for overpower tends to get me sometimes
bronze oxide
Do people use dreadnought or strength of arms usually in m+, wowhead build uses strength of arms but seems odd not to take dread
dire hinge
ope, didn't see this convo in the arms channel, i left some notes on the actual review thread for you as well
dire hinge
seems like others found the Cleave thing as well, but i'd also suggest dropping Executioner's Precision if you're only going to cast it 8 times in a dungeon 
can move it to bloodborne for easy dps increase, and it's entirely passive
potent cedar
yeah I swapped to it after the floodgate (which used bloodborne) and realised I hardly get a chance to execute things
execute feelin kinda bad ngl
dire hinge
it used to give Colossus Might stacks, but after that removal it left Execute in a very underutilized place
open ingot
man i switched to blademaster's torment
that shit does so much dmg
not sure why i was running warlords for so long
thick kelp
People were obsessed with ST so warlords was favored
dire hinge
And blunt instruments haha
shrewd musk
do we play WW after buff ?
shadow ibex
No
shadow ibex
You wanna bind ww for gally adds be my guest
potent cedar
Someone here will know, what addon is this?
potent cedar
ty!
cosmic fossil
lean wraith
do we have any slayer arms m+ enjoyers in the house?
tacit crystal
xd
shadow ibex
No
lean wraith
๐ฆ
rain cipher
https://i.imgur.com/iv8Hxa5.png
lolz
hollow plover
do we have any slayer arms m+ enjoyers in the house?
xdd
rough sluice
do we have any slayer arms m+ enjoyers in the house?
tried it last night, its more fun that colo for me
warped spade
do we have any slayer arms m+ enjoyers in the house?
I don't push any keys, just 12s for creats and vault or to chill witg friends. It does about the same damage overall at that level. Less aoe for more boss dam
broken arrow
do we have any slayer arms m+ enjoyers in the house?
it has been working well for me in 10s and 12s. Quite chill
manic pasture
is there any where where it tells you how to sim aoe? like 5t patchwork or dungeon slice
warped spade
I just sim all 3. ST, 5T and slice to get better picture
slow saddle
it has been working well for me in 10s and 12s. Quite chill
Deffo is less overall dmg, but in 12s its not to bad
arctic iris
I just sim all 3. ST, 5T and slice to get better picture
I'd also add that in many dungeons you spend a lot of time doing single target, especially in group comps that are lacking in funnel.
I usually just go for whatever gear sims the highest Patchwerk damage. It may result in me having lower overall damage, but it lets me put more damage where it counts and speed up the actual dungeon because we're not spending as much time cleaning up the last Hopgoblin or whatever
This will vary depending on your group, though, especially in fixed key groups. If you already have other people who are doing excellent funnel/prio damage, your job might be to focus more on AoE.
bronze tiger
if im a blood elf and want to race change to void elf, do i also have to swap to alliance?
toxic knoll
if im a blood elf and want to race change to void elf, do i also have to swap to...
Yes
earnest zealot
bronze tiger
ahh so i can faction change then
okay cool, i was not about to spend 60$ for that rofl
slow saddle
Its 30 euro vs 25 though
minor gust
do we have any slayer arms m+ enjoyers in the house?
I only do Slayer keys it's fine
shadow ibex
minor gust
Demolish sucks
nova marsh
Guys do all wow classes play the exact same
dire hinge
Fun fact; they're all different
nova marsh
Like we all have the same utility and evreything revolves around burst
And sustain classes apparently don't exist 
teal fossil
i unironically think sustained classes dont exist
zenith lodge
outlaw rogue?
nova marsh
i unironically think sustained classes dont exist
Ehhh kind of?
teal fossil
like
classes are balanced around their 5 minute patchwerk (ish)
but some classes are just bursting harder than others
nova marsh
Some classes like ret also have strong short CD bursts....that kinda makes them more sustain oreintated in my eyes?
teal fossil
and if you class is bursting better it allows for more rotational errors
nova marsh
Maybe I'm crazy
teal fossil
as long as you are bursting correctly
dire hinge
idk if i can go back to a spec where i have to pre-dot multiple targets before i can burst
teal fossil
its like unholy used to just afk after their burst
if they were doing NOTHING during downtime
its like a 25% dps loss
minor gust
Its fine in raid so I'm hoping Colossus is best in raid next tier but in keys it's more frustrating than fun
shadow ibex
i would rather just have the root nonsense removed
nova marsh
idk maybe I'm insane to think wow isn't that homongized
shadow ibex
snare ๐ค
dire hinge
let it be an aimed frontal 
shadow ibex
even frontal is bad
minor gust
There's like 5 different things they can do to make it good
nova marsh
snare ๐ค
Snares still exist?
shadow ibex
because it doesnt hit shit behind you
dire hinge
i dont need it to hit shit behind me, that's fine
nova marsh
If colo is best in raid then slayer might as well be removed from the game
shadow ibex
hitboxes are funky
dire hinge
cleave doesn't hit shit behind you either, and it does
checks notes
most of our damage
minor gust
Idk I'm tired of frontals arms has to many
shadow ibex
yes but cleave
slow saddle
If u cant aim big cone
shadow ibex
isnt a huge cooldown man
minor gust
Make demolish 360
shadow ibex
cmon
slow saddle
U suck
shadow ibex
it isnt at all the same
missing 1/2 targets with a cleave is ok because there's a 25% chance it'll reset itself
shadow ibex
and if it doesnt, its up in 3 seconds anyway
minor gust
You have to do to many things to press demolish
shadow ibex
do this flavor experiment with another spec
minor gust
Build your stacks, make sure it's safe, make sure you hit everything
I just wanna charge press CDs and then press demolish no thinky
I love having to build stacks for demolish then a footmen casts defend or a gnome pops down a shield on all mobs while I'm mid demolish cast
So fun
slow saddle
The defend as i send big col๐คฃ
minor gust
Fuck demolish I'ma just spin instead till they do something about it
Which I doubt they ever will
void bay
big cone or go home
floral bone
There's like 5 different things they can do to make it good
giving it a nice sound effect at the end would be a good start (demolish)
bronze tiger
i just beat a ret pally on dps, and he said its because i play the easiest spec in the game
dire hinge
at least if a space chandelier kicks the bucket my abilities still work 
bronze tiger
candid pecan
problem? 
fresh spire
bronze tiger
if critcake is rank 2, whos rank 1
minor gust
rank 0
bronze tiger
-__-
gaunt owl
China number 1 ?
shadow ibex
tried leveling DK but holy fuck why is this shit so slow
gaunt owl
https://tenor.com/view/no-braincell-gif-27029721
the car is secretly locked in
dont judge his look
we just dont know wtf its locked in for anyhow
silk spade
ret unironically more complex to minmax than arms this tier
minor gust
Would disagree with that but ret is fun rn
shadow ibex
spiral coral
The other plate specs unfortunately are super boring to me
spiral coral
Mage is my main alt
Arcane is insane
Fire FF feels the best tho
Getting my mage to 3k is my next venture
nova marsh
God being an enhance main is kinda depresso thou
Can I offer you a Heroism in these trying times?
spiral coral
I love picking enhance for my groups
nova marsh
At least someone appreicates my main spec 
spiral coral
I appreciate all specs except for pally tbh.
chilly copper
The other plate specs unfortunately are super boring to me
I want to play unholy thematically but everytime I try it I get bored
nova marsh
unholy sounds like a neat alt
chilly copper
Iโm thinking of maybe MM or BM hunter
nova marsh
I'd probally go frost thou
nova marsh
I should actually like
learn a bunch of alts
Would be good if I have to guild hunt again
spiral coral
I mean, itโs just fun because youโre learning something new
chilly copper
Everyone should try every role
spiral coral
Donโt really like how wow shoves you straight to DF
chilly copper
Just from a learning point of view
chilly copper
The amount of cinderbrew runs I was in that failed because the tank thought that one pulling the entire room was a good idea
nova marsh
Did it once, now I say nty until I get back into ffxiv
nova marsh
The amount of cinderbrew runs I was in that failed because the tank thought that...
....
With chewie?
Oh my god...
chilly copper
I used to heal and tank, this season I thought Iโd try shadow priest. And boy do I hate shadow priest this season. Back to warrior tank/dps next season
chilly copper
With chewie?
With chewie
nova marsh
With chewie
That's fuckin cooked
Like you could MAYBE do the room without chewie
If you have really good players....but with chewie it's just bricked
chilly copper
My shadow priest has a few 11s and 10s timed but my highest cindrebrew is a fucking 9๐คฃ
spiral coral
Iโm at a point with my warrior that the only thing I can really look forward to upgrade wise is vault. Which, is wack.
nova marsh
I've been at that point with my shammy for a bit
And I finally get to quit the season on my main cuz evreything's done (I was late af on 3k)
spiral coral
Iโm having a lot of fun doing low keys lmao
nova marsh
low keys are so great
trim arrow
ngl even pulling 1-2 muscle groups
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with chewie is beyond cursed
nova marsh
Pulling with chewie is cursed
spiral coral
Gear a rogue theyโre so much funner
trim arrow
i imagine hes playing veng
quaint otter
i dont like current rogue
nova marsh
Learning outlaw sounds funny
trim arrow
playing tank is just great to tilt at average tank main
nova marsh
but I'd probally learn sub and cry cuz sub is down bad
spiral coral
Ass is super fun, so is outlaw and sub just got a bit of love
quaint otter
sub is not good now
nova marsh
Sub has always been my pref rogue spec
spiral coral
Same
trim arrow
its fine just sin overperforms
quaint otter
yepp
spiral coral
Which is why I havenโt played it, but apparently it got a buff? Havenโt looked
nova marsh
Yeah but also like
Can't sub get trolled if they can't start a pull in stealth?
Haven't played rogue since BFA
trim arrow
Can't sub get trolled if they can't start a pull in stealth?
sub cares the least
trim arrow
sub loses one shadowstrike
which is like nothing
although blizz is cooked and gave all 3 specs bladeflurry
effectively
nova marsh
Oh yeah Sub isn't a pure funnel spec anymore is it?
nova marsh
Man I'm really not gonna touch rogue lmao
Probs will do unholy just to see how boring it is
nova marsh
if I play a caster it's truly over
nova marsh
I just really don't like casters
spiral coral
Fire mage isnโt really a traditional ranged caster
trim arrow
why does enhance feel weird when i dont have enough haste
to spam lavalash
during hothand
nova marsh
why does enhance feel weird when i dont have enough haste
Totemic just needs like 25%
spiral coral
You stay in melee range and most of your spells are instant
nova marsh
And it feels weird cuz it's REALLY inconsistant
nova marsh
Yeah because mastery for Totemic is huge
Stormbringer wants a lot more haste thou
because hate just gives you more tempest potentional
trim arrow
why just more abilities?
trim arrow
im at a weird haste point where if i get a haste proc from wep enchant or eleblast
or mechano core
spiral coral
Being in combustion gives so much dopamine
nova marsh
I mean it's also only possible in aoe at 6 targs
Because ashen catalyst
okay I should say it's only decently reliable at 6 targets
trim arrow
can you not do it on st
nova marsh
No
nova marsh
Enough haste is more haste then is ever achievable in wow
nova marsh
I'm talking like 180%
because the crash tier set is garbage
and sundering's main draw is it's resets which is wayyyyyyy too rng on ST
nova marsh
well
Stormbringer does use it in raid
But only with stacks
Enhance's tier is omega fucked
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even then
nova marsh
Only 5
trim arrow
nova marsh
Only for stormbringer
Totemic kinda just uses crash for intital maelstrom gain to get air mote and legacy rolling
trim arrow
doesnt totemic play crash in its key builds
nova marsh
Stormbringer just spams that shit on CD
trim arrow
yeah
nova marsh
Crash is a good filler for totemic
trim arrow
you dont want to maintain the cleave buff?
nova marsh
Totemic dosen't care about maelstrom that much so no
The actual damage from cleaves is quite minor
trim arrow
oh thought the damage from the other abilities cleaving mattered
nova marsh
Nope....sundering just does more
nova marsh
That and primstorm yes
It does matter in Doomwinds thou
Cuz Crash counts as an aoe main-hand strike
The inital damage portion not the cleave
trim arrow
wasnt the s2 change thst
they buffed tf out of the initial hit
and made the rest a meme
nova marsh
Yes
Literally 200% to the inital hit +tier
But that's because S1 enhance literally did no damage outside of spenders
Something like 70% of your total damage was just spenders in S1
nova marsh
....Blizzard didn't like that
nova marsh
I mean totemic has kinda fallen off post Storm buffs
because totemic is lowkey braindead
manic river
Both hero talents felt spam festy
nova marsh
I mean storm recently not so much
fair niche
is there a reason all the top arms warriors on raiderio have suddenly rerolled fury? the buffs dont look that significant? or am i missing something?
trim arrow
Yeah i mean s1 totemic was proc sundering spike to 12m openers
nova marsh
Because for aoe you just use it to buffs the fuck out of your burst
Oh wait half your GCDs are stormstrike
Nevermind
trim arrow
i meant moreso dont people still play totemic in raid
nova marsh
Yeah
and totemic on fights like Stix is kinda just better
Same with gally
Totemic just demolishes adds
trim arrow
what fight is it not better for
silk spade
mich can you tank my 12s
nova marsh
what fight is it not better for
Sproket
tall echo
is there any reason why i should hit rend instead of thunderclap? slayer build if that matters
nova marsh
Stormbringer on sproket is just really nice
trim arrow
oh i can imagine
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mich can you tank my 12s
iโve only tanked meme content
nova marsh
Remove it from your bars and just use one button for it
trim arrow
(realistically i just keep up shieldblock and press wall if my butthole clenches)
tall echo
thats what i thought seemed kinda silly to try to rend every target
nova marsh
If ur in aoe and you need rend just run TC
The damage diff is so insignifcant it's barely worth a mention
trim arrow
Stormbringer on sproket is just really nice
because no totem placement?
or rather pita moving it
nova marsh
because no totem placement?
also because you can't get fucked with movement
Totemic just says GG if you get targeted by drills
parse dead
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why
nova marsh
Because Storm has wayyy more ranged potentional between ascendance and static resets
nova marsh
Static is a talent that gives you full refunds of Maelstrom weapon on occansion
So if you get lucky you can run out with zero downtime
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yeah that one
whoevers wa i yoinked for this spec
makes a coin kaching sound
on refunds
nova marsh
BRO I'D GO INSANE
manic river
tbf I liked the change in enhace to totemic, it was something different than lightning spam and it required a setup to follow. Though now sotrm seems to be sligthly better again so people are droping - .-
nova marsh
I mean tbh
....stormbringer lowkey requires more set up in keys now
Because if your tank trolls and you don't get to carry tempests between evrey pack ur gonna suffer for it
Or if you just play storm in top. God that shit feels awful
nova marsh
na it's good
Kind of....the one thing I dislike about enhance is hero trees determine the entire build at this point
It's why Hailstorm isn't used
trim arrow
at least the spec
nova marsh
because it dosen't fit into totemic or stormbringer
trim arrow
uses diff talents
nova marsh
uses diff talents
this is true thou
arms be running a 2 talent point diff between trees and it dosen't even feel that different
nova marsh
Probally because a slow is useful in pvp
trim arrow
well yeah
nova marsh
ig I dunno or there's a frost shock pvp talent
trim arrow
there isnt i think
every melee has a slow
i think havoc bitched about not having one till blizz gave them
I think pvpers run 1min mini lust
then burrow/grounding totem/15% spell crit on pwave use
manic river
Kind of....the one thing I dislike about enhance is hero trees determine the ent...
Yea, but honestly is happening for a lot of specs...
Hero talents are like "the build" for some classes
nova marsh
I really don't like that shit
feel like we really have gone into "specs within specs"
nova marsh
Does outlaw have to play fatebound?
nova marsh
Is sub trickster too?
nova marsh
Dosen't trickster have something that reduces threat?
trim arrow
you have 1 hour long tricks
You also cannot be parried
by anything you hit with the hero tree debuff
nova marsh
based
nova marsh
Does rogue rip hard?
I'd like to play a spec where I won't die 30 seconds into a pull
glad kraken
rogue should never rip with tricks and vanish
dim basalt
Vanish is a cd lol
nova marsh
Honestly this alone makes me tempted to play it
dim basalt
Like you should never use it defensively
trim arrow
Does rogue rip hard?
perma tricks says no
dim basalt
So it is just tricks
nova marsh
I mean like how hard does rogue burst I haven't played with them much
trim arrow
sub is probably the most bursty spec rn
dim basalt
Yup
glad kraken
Vanish is a cd lol
i play outlaw i hit that shit like every 30 seconds lol
dim basalt
Outlaw is not sub or assa
glad kraken
very astute
nova marsh
how rng is outlaw nowadays
dim basalt
Rng in terms of dps I mean
nova marsh
that's what I meant
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technically going off simc
outlaw has the highest rng of the three
but you dont really feel it immediately as much
๐คทโโ๏ธ
sub doesnt really use vanish as a dps cd
or at least an impactful one
sin uses it alot in dungeons but its not really a dps cd in raid
dim basalt
In raid it's more like nice to have
But wasn't it still kinda nice for sub in DF? Did that change?
Since it is still a small dance window
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You had shadowdust in DF