#arms

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silk spade
hollow plover
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omg hiii zhai

wind lotus
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So chaps. Cleave’s out, whirlwinds in now? hmmNod

weary garnet
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New to arms. Is the 100% whirlwind buff gonna pump up cleave dmg?

weary garnet
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Ok thought so.

shadow ibex
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24%

minor gust
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if your past 1st intermission on gally its dead

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@magic canopy

magic canopy
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i dont care anymore man

silk spade
minor gust
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tryna get you in

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if we can get an rsham

silk spade
magic canopy
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that character has the worst trinkets known to man

minor gust
magic canopy
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actually not worth playing until i get them

minor gust
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damn no on use just Eye

silk spade
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isnt signet good for chicken

magic canopy
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its mediocre at best

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imagine every go you got 10k mastery

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or every other go you got 7k mastery

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its not even close to house of cards

silk spade
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discordcomplainer

magic canopy
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its blizzards fault the class has zero meaningful util and does 15% less damage then a dk slobbering on their keyboard

silk spade
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not like starfall merchant is much deeper than UH

magic canopy
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funny starfall auto extend dots

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20 target cap

hollow plover
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they just dont die and they do actually have meaningful util

magic canopy
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beter util then warrior

silk spade
hollow plover
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madox

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madox can u make a proper wishlist video pls

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fully dedicated video for it

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cuz ur old ivdeo was filled with yap

next harness
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guys what is the best guide or like smth to properly learn arms warrior?

hollow plover
hollow plover
magic canopy
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its somewhat outdated

hollow plover
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yesn't

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the fundamentals apply

silk spade
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madox for yellow

next harness
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wellp lets hope i finally get the grip of it

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ty

hollow plover
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yerr

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yo madox i liked ur haircut in that vid

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ur growing the elvis presley now

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arent u

silk spade
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lol

magic canopy
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ngl im just omega downer becuase igot invited to 3 keys last night. timed all of them easily into watching the red class get invited to every phys comp i applied to

silk spade
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rare madox red class footage

hollow plover
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frost

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"oh wtf"

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real

silk spade
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me spam pinging the add

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cinema

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i love that clip

hollow plover
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zhai whats ur pfp thought process

silk spade
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autism

hollow plover
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you speak like you use cavedwellers delight to heal

floral girder
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brrrrrrt

silk spade
silk spade
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i am very confused

tacit crystal
vast surge
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we're back baby 🤣

shadow ibex
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18

delicate violet
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Uh isn’t whirlwind cleave as arms? Or am I dumb af

young raft
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What a pointless change.

delicate violet
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Obv have to be wrong

hollow plover
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and this change doesnt affect cleave

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its a prophylactic change

delicate violet
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Rip

open ingot
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Feels like a 🖕 to arms players this "buff"

hollow plover
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but this change does feel a bit off yea

dry canopy
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Does this buff overtake what arms puts out now? And have us swap to fury?

hollow plover
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tldr of this balance is that warrior is exactly identical to where it is in the meta

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while numbers did go up a bit, nothing relevant changed enough to matter

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fury struggles the same as before

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arms didnt actually change

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phantom buffs

dry canopy
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Seems so

hollow plover
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gn

minor gust
vast surge
jade ember
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Fury will always struggle in some meaningful way as long as Blizz doesn't give up on target caps so yknow what are ya gonna do

slow saddle
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No

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Target cap is not the issue

shadow ibex
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i wanna see them explain purpose of the ww buff

keen crane
grave mulch
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hey guys you ready to not use WW next week ?

quaint otter
minor gust
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pretty meaningless change tho

drifting widget
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wtf are those arms buffs....ok now im convinced no one at blizz actually plays arms at all. PS - delete juggernaut

blissful tree
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Those buffs. I dont get them. Why not buffing the Talents we play instead of buttons you rarely press. When do you ever press ww as arms? Buff juggernaut or make the buff last longer. Change the way you handle the sudden death procs. It feels so counter intuitive to hold the proc until, well, a weak aura tells me to press execute.

weak wave
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Why buff ARMS whirlwind??

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Did all warrior devs with a brain quit?!

blissful tree
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Would be „nice“ if a maked for execution 3 stacked buff gives a 3 stack juggernaut after you press execution.

minor gust
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they felt bad they were only planning fury buffs so they threw us a tiny bone with WW buff

stable fiber
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they buff WW because we dont use it

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thats why

stable fiber
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since we use cleave instead

minor gust
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bring back SOS

fervent kernel
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Will this buff make us use it?

stable fiber
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no it wont

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atleast afaik it wont

blissful tree
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You can clap now instead of rend i guess?

stable fiber
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you always thunder clapped to rend in aoe

minor gust
blissful tree
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I mean on st

stable fiber
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no you wont

flat willow
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already did

weak wave
minor gust
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well yeah why the fuck would you press WW in ST

stable fiber
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nah he was

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oh

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lmfao

stable fiber
minor gust
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best case scenario in an AOE raid situation with lots of mobs you press WW instead of Slam

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voila

stable fiber
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the only case where your would push WW instead of slam is probably on gallywix

minor gust
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prob

stable fiber
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and thats IF you dont have sweep

fervent kernel
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maybe this is a buff to the one button coming next patch 🤔

weak wave
stable fiber
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its a buff tailored to aoe

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not ST

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we dont use cleave on ST

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we dont tclap on st

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well most people do but rend technically is more

weak wave
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We NEVER use WW

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Never = 0

stable fiber
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no shit bro because we have cleave instead which is why they are trying to buff us away from cleave and into a WW spam with fervor + sweep

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but like

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it still isnt going to be better anyways

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because colossus cleave + demolish is better

stable fiber
thick kelp
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ToM + FoB ww spam is back @dull siren

stable fiber
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i mean i think thats what you would do without cleave lol

thick kelp
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it wasnt thaat far behind cleaving pre buffs

tacit crystal
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only on slayer

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zz

weak wave
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WW does not proc RtS does it?

tacit crystal
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nein

dim basalt
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Now WW crits for 60k instead of 30k

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Insane

flat willow
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considering rts is all your damage in slayer aoe

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even if ww DID more damage than cleave, you wouldn't touch that shit

minor gust
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ww no proc reap

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so gg

thick kelp
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I was speaking more like

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Art bleeding colossus type beat

tacit crystal
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ah

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walhe how much does slam vs ww do next week

naive sage
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They really live under a rock lmao

thick kelp
tacit crystal
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i cant wait to play tom again

tacit crystal
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do you play collat with ww

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or

grand idol
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I imagine you would. It still fires a slam.

balmy kindle
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Tom with Sos wwcritcake

minor gust
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just do the S3 DF fob build if you wanna WW spam

thick kelp
tacit crystal
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so collat and before ep?

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or do you not play sks

balmy kindle
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Omg this build be cursed

thick kelp
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Collat sharp and EP

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could take Dn too ngl

tacit crystal
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i assume rotation is ms on cd

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and ww else

thick kelp
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yeaah

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I would maybe just spam WW only during MBG

rare kite
empty sluice
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Now we just need fan of longswords instead SoS xd

low elk
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i cant wait for whirlwind to do 0x2 damage

stable fiber
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OAB kills graphs are insane

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our guilds first pull in the last phase

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and it just fell over

sharp wyvern
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Gallywix is the same as soon as you go into p2 for the first time you get a 20-30% jump

jagged arrow
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Hi, I'm new player on arms warrior and I don't understand why buttons glow proc. I see Overpower procs by Opportunist hidden aura, but what hidden aura for Mortal Strike and Cleave?

dim basalt
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Mugzee is not too different at this point

sharp wyvern
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And i think for cleave there is another thing i don't remember

jagged arrow
astral yarrow
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cleave can reset its own CD like MS can (talented)

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Sadly the glows are mostly not relevant

dim basalt
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Not only not relevant but easily misleading for newer players

thin folio
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WW buff still uselss no?

dim basalt
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ye

thin folio
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cool

floral ledge
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whirlwind buff lets gooooo

sturdy hearth
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Nice WW buffs for m+ !! When they could have increased Deep wound/rend damage, ravager dmg significantly

dim basalt
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Good one

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Oh it was sarcastic wasnt it

sturdy hearth
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sadly 😔

dim basalt
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But Id not want a bleed buff at all

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Bleeds suck ass

sturdy hearth
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i just wish they skullsplitter for a new talent honestly

dim basalt
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SKS would be half as bad if it hasted the bleeds properly

thick kelp
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sks wouldnt be half as bad if it worked like it did in DF

open ingot
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Quick question: If my personality doesn't allow me to hold for optimal setups and I just send abilities that glow, should I go fury instead or stick with the "just send it arms" 😄

thick kelp
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Should go to ret pala

open ingot
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haha

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I mean you're not wrong, but...

slender sonnet
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I'm guessing not but the whirlwind buff doesn't affect cleave right

open ingot
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would be sweet if it did, but alas...

silver mica
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Wouldn’t this put fury ahead of arms?

plucky tendon
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is the arms st/5t sim apl accessible anywhere?

thick kelp
plucky tendon
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thanks

weak rain
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imagine if ww procd reap

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turbospinner

stone marsh
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Hi guys, I see a lot of mention of the Slayer build for M+ being good due to juggernaut, but all the builds I find have no juggernaut and that without it it's just worse colossus. Can someone please help me clarify?

stoic siren
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Hi guys, so does the WW buff do anything? I don't even have WW on my bar currently.

rare kite
umbral flume
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guys am gonna try arms for first time, whats the prio stat after ilvl upg ? crit>haste>mast>vers right ? and what option u sim for m+ ? 1boss 5min

slender sonnet
dim basalt
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Some do dslice, some do 5T patchwerk 5 min (for m+)

astral yarrow
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its more a matter of which sim religion you subscribe to bedge

astral yarrow
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vibe keys

fresh spire
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Educated vibes>max dps>feelycrafting

icy mulch
icy mulch
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These buffs are a nothing burger.

fresh spire
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Ww if I've done it correct on sims is pretty nice

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Any 2 target boss will enjoy ww fob very nicely

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Might even be good for something like bandit

fresh spire
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Since all you would drop if bb

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Though. Prolonged two target would make it better not very much bursty 2 target where execute comes in pretty fast

icy mulch
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While it's nice to see buffs, they really missed the mark.

fresh spire
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Worst part is

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If we proc reap

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Cleave would likely die in slayer.

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Ww proc reap*

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I dream of spamming ww and reap procs nonstop

icy mulch
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Fury just needs target cap adjustments, and Arms needs less skills to buff other skills.

fresh spire
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Fury had a little bug with seismic last week

icy mulch
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Legion had a time where we used ww as a filler.

fresh spire
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Which might be why they buffed tc/ww

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Seismic was giving 70% damage instead of 30 for clap

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So likely fixed and buffed

icy mulch
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Heh, small indy company.

fresh spire
zenith lodge
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just a humble mans opinion, but fix the bugs before giving us meaningless buffs

icy mulch
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Even Odyn's Fury buff, heh. Still won't be used.

fresh spire
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Ofc buffs are coming on reset. Bug fix may also be coming

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Odyns is actually pretty good

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Looks usable again

icy mulch
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Barely

fresh spire
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Ye barely

icy mulch
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Drop 1-2% single target for 2% aoe

fresh spire
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It does re enable fury hard burst which will give it value

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Which means it screws other classes over for more personal gains

icy mulch
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Target cap is still the problem.

fresh spire
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Yeh likely will keep being a problem until they overhawl the whole spec. Both trees need some pick me ups. Honestly think fury is in a worse state than arms

icy mulch
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I give zero foxes about other classes ramp/funnel.

stoic siren
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i think they want to maintain class niches aka x class does better in 2 target vs y class does better in 50 targets

wanton sierra
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ww is back ?

fresh spire
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I'd agree. If fury was the undisputed king of 5 target

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But its no where close

alpine falcon
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Buffing warrior is a joke, like they keep buffing useless spells, garbage devs.We are target capped and do less damage on 5 targets than uncapped classes.

fresh spire
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Imagine being rogue and complaining your capped to 8 targets.

icy mulch
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The classes that is great at 8+ is still great at 5+

fresh spire
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If they was to change ww. They likely would do it on an expansion level fix up if anything

icy mulch
fresh spire
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Unlikely to make a drastic change mid patch

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Should make ww just work like multi shot for beast master with higher cap

icy mulch
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Lmao, I just noticed your avatar is a Crab in a cowboy hat holding BiS.

fresh spire
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Someone finally noticed hahaha

alpine falcon
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Our tunning is always based on raid performance so arms won’t see any GOOD tunning until the end of the season.

fresh spire
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Been like it for a solid 2 months. But I've not been yapping here much

wanton sierra
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fury shall have some tunnin, maybe it will be viable on m+ ?

fresh spire
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It's funny as arms is likely been in the best spot in keys it's been in forever. Doesn't help that colossus is a desyncing mess sometimes

icy mulch
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The only thing that doesn't desync seems to be SS and ravager.

fresh spire
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Have you guys seen overall death in the tier that arms isnt the top

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Insane what 10% hp can do

icy mulch
wanton sierra
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the inconsistency that gets me... there is keys that im used to play... like the old ones, that i blast... i top the dmgs, but there is keys that im tired, i mess the rotation and the performance is trash

fresh spire
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I like slayer more rn as much as its worse

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The feels when reap procs back to back to back from cleave ms cycling from bs rng

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Kinda wish the blademaster cleave cds was tied to sweep more than avatar 😦

icy mulch
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I'd love to not use AM, but that's not an option.

thick kelp
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yes it is

spiral coral
thick kelp
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select ss

wanton sierra
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so why the whirlwind will be buffed? i mean, our top dmg skill is cleave

thick kelp
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They dont know any better

wanton sierra
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i cant belive this, i mean... ppl working there doesnt have an clue? lol! ive heard that WW is going to be tunned to prepare the cclass to the next big changes, idk

spiral coral
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I’m trying to figure out if it changes literally anything in my rotation

spiral coral
icy mulch
wanton sierra
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plz feel free to correct my english

spiral coral
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And at this point I’d rather blizzard just like, not do buffs like this? It makes them seem out of touch? But really warriors biggest complaint was m+ damage, and this kinda helps a bit (not really) without buffing warriors in raid.

sacred zodiac
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Im not correcting u its just funny my king

icy mulch
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They don't know what they're doing with the class. This buff is them grasping at straws.

sacred zodiac
spiral coral
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They don’t seem out of touch to me. It just seems that’s the general consensus when they do buffs like this.

spiral coral
thick kelp
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WW does like 150k per hit now

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so 300k on reset

spiral coral
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Oh I meant like lol nvm

sacred zodiac
spiral coral
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Daaaang

wanton sierra
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cleave is 380 with my current gear 681

icy mulch
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In M+ never, in ST or 2 target, it's a filler.

spiral coral
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Good job blizzard. Sorry all warriors we didn’t get a full rework and a 300% buff like you were expecting clueless

icy mulch
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We're not asking for that.

spiral coral
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I’ve heard a lot of things asked for idk what anyone wants anymore tbh. I’ve heard everything from lust, to deleting jugg, to giving fury a third arm.

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I personally just want one thing

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Them to change Arms

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To

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Arm

dim basalt
mental wave
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Can we change it to legs

icy mulch
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Lust would be nice, but that would be part of a rework.
Jugg does need to go. We have too many self buffing things with very little payoff.

dim basalt
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Not like its gonna happen on a weekly reset tho

mental wave
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And all abilities just jump

dim basalt
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Youre not gonna fix woryer by changing a few talents

icy mulch
dim basalt
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Like, the entire arms tree is completely fucked

wanton sierra
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man i like the idea of arms right now, colossus arms... its fun to pile percentages to deal an massive hit, i like that fantasy as arms warrior

icy mulch
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Buffs to capstone talents and target cap adjusts for Fury would go a long way to fixing the actual problem.

dim basalt
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Remove jugg, rework slayer, get rid of crit damage modifiers

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Make capstones actually usable

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Rework most talents into something more interesting than just small damage modifiers

wanton sierra
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remove fataly, on one picks that talent xD

dim basalt
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Fatality is lowkey fine

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Actually usable in prog

mental wave
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Give Arms a shield

icy mulch
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It's too inconsistent

dim basalt
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yes

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Needs more base damage but not get modified by our cds

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This spec really needs god

spiral coral
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I haven’t played sub in like a year

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5% across the board?

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Hmmpeepostudy

dim basalt
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Sub is niche

wanton sierra
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ive read here ppl askin to return the dragon flight season 2 tier, that SD procs TC, it was nice indeed

dim basalt
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Tank damage outside of cds, massive burst with cds

spiral coral
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Love sub tbh so I’m excited to alt it again

dim basalt
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Sub is better to play after they removed shadowdust yeah

wanton sierra
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bring back mortal combo!

spiral coral
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Ass has been putting all my other classes to shame damage wise

wanton sierra
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mas idk why rogues are low population, ive played with an rogue on ML 17... jesus bro that guy was insane

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single target, aoe, omega pulls, the guy was toppin the meeters

eager sigil
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if your ass rogue is topping st your group is shite

dim basalt
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^^^^

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All they can do is aoe

worldly geyser
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Hello, the spell was not removed ?

fresh spire
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All rogues playing dl rn

spiral coral
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I almost bricked a 15 rook, making us invisible to skip ads at the end and someone got agro. Was all good just pulled room into last boss critcake

empty pike
spiral coral
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Warriors the type to be taken out to krispy kreme a week before their birthday then complain it’s not crispy

fresh spire
spiral coral
fresh spire
spiral coral
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🍩

sharp wyvern
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So the whirlwind dmg buff doesn't effect cleave ?

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For some reasonnj just assumed cleave works like thunderclap on thane sadge

candid pecan
fresh spire
narrow flax
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is there any alt gearing guides ?

eager sigil
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dratnose has one

narrow flax
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gonna level alt after not playing for a month or 2

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aight ty

thick hamlet
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what're the chances that the arms whirlwind buff is a side effect of fury ww buff

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spaghetti code action

stone marsh
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Would be weird since they got buffed by different amounts

covert drift
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Let's just imagine for a second that this 100% buff would be applied to cleave (which i know it won't, must likely), how much stronger arms would be?

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Would it be enough to shoot arms to the top of the dps rankings?

south merlin
covert drift
south merlin
fallen yacht
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I wouldn't say it's bad, other classes end up hard meta so why not warrior? But I can't see Blizzard allowing that to happen.

stone marsh
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Hi guys, I see a lot of mention of the Slayer build for M+ being good due to juggernaut, but all the builds I find have no juggernaut and that without it it's just worse colossus. Can someone please help me clarify?

covert drift
hot current
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i guess whirlwind buff doesn't affect cleave dmg right?

serene thicket
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what about whirlwhind after collat instead of cleave now

covert drift
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That an interesting question, but idk
I'll just wait for the buff and for ppl that are smarter/have more time to test things out

spiral coral
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This buff is just going to confuse everyone more than anything gladge this is great

south merlin
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What really surprise me is MM hunter not being nerfed till now

spiral coral
south merlin
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A decent MM hunter easily beats unholy and boomie

spiral coral
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Feel like I haven’t seen an mm in like two weeks

tacit crystal
thick hamlet
tacit crystal
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oh

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sorry i just woke up

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CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGmZmZGzYMLz2yyMzAAAAwgphZmlxMMWGzMjFzMDzghBAAAAAAgZMLjxAsFGbbDsBGwMMhMwG

thick hamlet
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@smoky kayak do u think the WW buff for arms can be significant enough to promote a build using bloodsurge for extra rage+storm of swords to make use of WW's no cd compared to cleave to proc as many reap the storm as possible

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for aoe ofc

astral yarrow
tacit crystal
golden raptor
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Does WW procc reap the storm?

astral yarrow
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it does not

golden raptor
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That's what i was thinking

tacit crystal
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refer to walhe

thick hamlet
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youre kidding

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heartbreak

golden raptor
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Did you really think blizzard would actually buff arms? keks

thick kelp
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Our 2t is sick now tho

thick hamlet
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cleave procs it but ww almost seems like an oversight

astral yarrow
tacit crystal
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fg

thick kelp
astral yarrow
tacit crystal
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and mugzee

spiral coral
astral yarrow
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rather use that for juggernaut gamble

tacit crystal
astral yarrow
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i continued the streak of dropping a 15 stack at 37%

tacit crystal
tacit crystal
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mugzee is such a fun fight honestly

astral yarrow
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i really despise these huge numbers nerfs on bosses and then getting % buffs from renown and another 6 overall ilvl

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its so bad

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we lived bomb explosions twice on gally kill this week

thick kelp
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Still missing another 6% of the dps buff btw

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:xdd

astral yarrow
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its such a meme

thick kelp
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mythic vexie dying in first burn

fresh spire
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And big corruption

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And epic ww damage

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(Can't wait for them to mess up and buff clap for arms)

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And use the aura for arms tied to slam for ww

astral yarrow
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you will catch me pressing WW on gally adds

fresh spire
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Its probs worth too now if ms on cd

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It's better on 2 target with fob than overpower with buff

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Not opportunsit tho

dull siren
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Padders smh

fresh spire
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I need to have more indepth look at where ww goes and the buffs now with and without fob. But it's damage is creeping. Probs would beat cleave on aoe if reap worked with it since you can spam it. First bits of testing I did earlier I haven't checked if it was rage starving from spamming

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If only reap worked

thick kelp
dull siren
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The only non 100% is Stix

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cus im a ethical player

boreal quartz
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Sow without reapting tutorial @thick kelp?

tacit crystal
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guys

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how does haste from cs work with multiple targets

naive sage
young raft
tacit crystal
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havent gotten there

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our only p2 pull we instantly exploded as we lusted lol

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but that boss was exploding!

naive sage
tacit crystal
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nah

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like how on 2 targets you get haste from both

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from cs

naive sage
thick kelp
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sweep works

slow saddle
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that shit would be awesome

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if u could double dip into more haste

thick kelp
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if ur sweep target is under iftk thresh hold

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u get the amp haste

naive sage
sturdy hearth
tacit crystal
naive sage
sacred zodiac
naive sage
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Bfa s4 vibes

tacit crystal
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i just woke up bruh

naive sage
sturdy hearth
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600% haste, bro is sending 8 cleave per seconds

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would be fun to see a demolish/bladestorm duration with 600% haste tho

naive sage
rich kernel
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Why is whirlwind being buffed? It’s replaced by cleave

tidal roost
#

what u think about whirlwind up on arms?

icy mulch
#

Cause they're trying to make it a meaningful choice.

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Just like they did with Covenants in Shadowlands.

misty sandal
icy mulch
#

And I loved Night Fae. The choice on which Covenant you picked was suppose to be meaningful. Which turned out to be a total lie.

teal fossil
#

its mainly meant for offbuilds

misty sandal
#

Oh, don't get wrong. Night fae was my go to since it allowed arms and fury to feel a lot better than the other choices keks

teal fossil
#

the KD feels better than the tether

#

but tanks can also pull mobs out of your NF

misty sandal
#

Venthyr was the only one that I avoided the entire expansion.

naive sage
teal fossil
#

im ready to complain about tanks pulling mobs out of NF

icy mulch
#

Agreed, Ancient Aftershock was awesome

brazen sun
#

hi yall

#

is this new whirlwind buffs means it's cleave buffs ?

zenith salmon
#

Hey, probably been asked a shitload of times but i just picked up arms again. Do you use mortal strike in AOE as a filler for cleave? Or is it not worth cause it might consume overpower stack?

icy mulch
brazen sun
zenith salmon
boreal quartz
#

How sow without reaping
Youtube tutorial

#

Reddit

smoky kayak
eager nexus
#

Buff us to #1 already

smoky kayak
#

Basically anytime there aren’t enough regular adds to talent into cleave, but can still hit more than one target, you WW instead of Slam

#

Whereas before you’d just press slam and ignore them

manic egret
#

6 years without rework...

naive sage
smoky kayak
#

Half the raid fights in the game

icy mulch
#

Hence why we go Fury for most of those fights.

teal fossil
#

Whats the current WW to slam ratio right now

#

can someone give me tooltip damage

icy mulch
fresh spire
#

Hes from goobertown

smoky kayak
#

Statistically, most players actually don’t swap fight to fight

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They just play the spec they want

teal fossil
#

^

#

especially once you get out of HOF level

smoky kayak
#

Even in it lol

#

But the point is that getting another tool in your kit, even if you rarely if ever use it… still ain’t a bad thing

#

Maybe someone even finds a way to make WW spam work, who knows

void bay
icy mulch
#

I'd let him in and feed em chicken!

bronze tiger
#

how many sparks should we have right now?

#

7?

icy mulch
#

in total? 7.5 I think

bronze tiger
#

7.5?

teal fossil
bronze tiger
#

you mean 3.5?

teal fossil
#

looks like thats true for most other classes

icy mulch
#

7 full sparks and 1 piece of a spark

bronze tiger
#

weird, i only have 7 halves

olive nest
#

WW buff completely useless okayge

#

Good job dev team

bronze tiger
eager nexus
#

Still crazy to me that we didn't get gladiator as a hero spec

bronze tiger
#

has archi been gone?

fresh spire
tacit crystal
#

tom

#

fishy dont you love tom

fresh spire
#

Tom is is trash

#

Why would i want a strength buff outside of my cds when I can have gigachad haste in my cds

#

If I wanted a flatter dps profile I'd actually play fury

tacit crystal
#

too bad its happening

fresh spire
#

Mfs who enjoy Tom are the same people who min max every slaughter stack

tacit crystal
#

what is slaughter

#

me when i forgor

wanton sierra
#

top 17

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i played poorly, died couple times on big omega pulls

bronze tiger
#

what ilvl are you

#

@wanton sierra

stone marsh
wanton sierra
#

im 381

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i mean 681

stone marsh
#

Is this the go to M+ build if I wanna try slayer?

tacit crystal
#

oops ig i didnt copy it

stone marsh
#

This is what I read in the pins. So This is why I'm asking about this since I cannot find any build in any guide that has Jugg

tacit crystal
#

just to clarify you want to play jug

stone marsh
#

I want to play Slayer in M+, so I'm wondering what's the best build for this

#

The pins say that Slayer jugg is the go to, and that jugg-less slayer is worse colossus

stone marsh
tacit crystal
#

all variants of slayer will be worse than colossus

#

if you click load export builds

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you can see the options

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the only build that isnt listed there is dropping massacre for ep for slayer which could also be played

stone marsh
#

Got it

stone marsh
tacit crystal
#

i would imagine ep?

stone marsh
#

They both have EP I think

tacit crystal
#

not jug

stone marsh
#

All right

#

So the message in the pin is misleading then

smoky kayak
stone marsh
#

I see. Thanks guys

smoky kayak
#

well no, the message is correct lol, Slayer is just a worse version of Colossus

#

but it's a lot more competitive than it was after a big Reap and Bladestorm buff

tacit crystal
smoky kayak
#

on wowhead? it is

stone marsh
#

I know everyone likes colossus, but I'm a simple man, I like bladestorm haha

smoky kayak
#

again, it's marked "post-hotfix"

tacit crystal
#

as for which is least behind i really dont know

smoky kayak
#

can probably just remove juggernaut entirely, it's a novelty, but not a particularly practical one

stone marsh
#

All right. Thanks guys!

bronze tiger
#

wait we got tuning?

#

ah its kinda booty

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Arms Whirlwind damage increased by 100%.,
Fury Whirlwind damage increased by 120%.,
Odyn’s Fury damage increased by 30%.,
Thunder Clap damage increased by 25%.,
Mountain Thane: Thunder Blast damage increased by 25%.,
Execute damage reduced by 15% in PvP combat.,
Rend damage increased by 15% in PvP combat.

wanton sierra
#

arms WW buff is silly xD

bronze tiger
#

it looks like theyre just trying to make fury more comp to arms

shadow ibex
silk pivot
#

should i be using WW over Slam in ST if i take Fervor of Battle?

sharp wyvern
#

only if you have more than 1 target

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so no

eager sigil
silk pivot
#

i see, thank you guys

wanton sierra
#

behold xD

junior topaz
#

arms or fury in delves?

wintry arch
#

Whatever you have more fun with

junior topaz
#

alright will test out both and decide

hollow plover
# junior topaz arms or fury in delves?

fury has more sustain and is more tanky so I'd generally recommend it more but it really doesnt matter because delves are impossible to die in unless ur trolling

#

or undergeared

smoky kayak
# junior topaz arms or fury in delves?

Fury generally has more self-sustain, but most of your healing comes from brann anyway, so its not as big a difference as you'd think, DBTS can also be clutch since mobs are actually hitting you in delves

junior topaz
#

i only pvp in wow but wanna chase achievements in horrific visions so i'm hittin up delves for the first time with like 20 bountiful keys tryin to get some pve gear. Will continue as fury which I expected would be a bit better with its survivability

tacit crystal
#

i think with most pvp gear you should be able to do most of the content

junior topaz
#

might be so but wanna see similar numbers as in arena

tacit crystal
#

i mean youll just do different damage in pvp

#

vers and crits being different

junior topaz
#

i scale to 684 or something in arena, so i wanna see similar numbers when im tryin to get that sanctum login screen from delves too

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shit will just go quicker so i wanna do the spec which is quickest

tacit crystal
#

i really think there is no difference

junior topaz
#

guess ill put loot spec as arms then

void sigil
# junior topaz guess ill put loot spec as arms then

If you want to just plow through delves, set Brann as Dps and go tank. You can quite literally pull half the delve and pop defensives and live through it quite easily. With Colossus you will also do quite a bit of damage

junior topaz
#

is that so, ill be damned. imma try this shit out

tacit crystal
#

or go tank and bran to heal

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its just a time sonk

#

sink

junior topaz
#

he is weak on the dps as healer

#

i just wanna steamroll it and get my login screen etc

#

where do i press to check my delve progress with brann

tacit crystal
#

uh

#

dik

shadow ibex
#

The delve hub

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Or from mythic dungeon screen tab thing

dull siren
#

Bro gio u yap way to much

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press Ctrl + Alt + Shift and W

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on discord

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@tacit crystal

tacit crystal
#

IM IN CLASS AND IM BORED

dull siren
#

go vibe with wumpus then

tacit crystal
#

who is that

dull siren
#

Press

#

Ctrl + Alt + Shift and W

tacit crystal
#

im on my phoen

dull siren
#

gg brokie

tacit crystal
#

dumbahh

fresh spire
cunning violet
#

on Mug is it worth it to SS>swap to rocketeers for free executes? i dont see any negatives but I might be forgetting smth

tacit crystal
#

yes

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you should hold cs for it as well

cunning violet
tacit crystal
#

just make sure to do

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it

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because its very easy to forget

cunning violet
#

ye I guess that and when boss is on transition phase are the only times when its worth it to hold CS
Or when gaols are about to go out

urban iron
junior topaz
#

tank with dps bran was hella nice just ran thru t11

junior topaz
void sigil
junior topaz
#

thanks for the tips , appreciate it

void sigil
#

Give Underpin a try when you have the chance. He's pretty easy when you focus on yeeting the bombs to clear adds. Just a matter of time before Brann kills him. Move in big circles around the arena, makes it easier (I feel).

#

And bind the interact button 😂 bombs have a tendency to be right under him, and the hitbox makes it terrible to click the individual bombs sometimes

junior topaz
#

i have it so i can use my charge to intervene if i a click a player, doesnt work on brann i suppose so have to bind another hehe .

hollow wave
junior topaz
#

if i ever wanna try some m+ do they want arms above fury?

#

cuz i feel like i rather do horrific visins with all masks as arms so might put loot spec on arms

#

im done with all my pvp goal this season so ill try out some pve shit for once

bronze tiger
#

you always loot spec arms

#

SMF sucks

silk pivot
#

is it okay to use Thunder Clap to apply Rend on single target?

barren void
#

In aoe do you always just end demolish or do you ever wait if lets say warbreaker is on cd and is up in 3 seconds

silk pivot
icy mulch
#

Random request: Does anyone have a Druid, Mage, or DK 5 target, 5 min sim?

fleet star
#

does the 100% whirlwind buff to arms apply to cleave too?

remote talon
#

0% chance that it does

fleet star
#

then its kinda useless no? XD

#

or well pointless rather*

remote talon
#

basically yeah... I mean I guess if you are in pure single target build and need a filler to hit multiple targets for some reason, now it'll tickle them slightly harder

fleet star
#

😂 fair enough thanks ^^

icy mulch
#

I's only useful for a 2-4 target talent build. Even then it's kinda insignificant.

shadow ibex
#

i dont think anyone who is sending arms in mythic raid is going to bother binding WW for a chance at a gain

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which is a hilarious place for a button to be in

#

rend and WW competing for button you only press if you cba to find a bind for it

bronze tiger
#

think Best-In-Slots hero Track weapon is better than a crafted 675?

shadow ibex
#

the crafted max would be 681

bronze tiger
#

ah so probably not?

shadow ibex
#

max heroic is 671 right?

#

so 10 ilvl dif

bronze tiger
#

yeah

#

i know we pref ilvl, but i wasnt sure about the effect that could change it

smoky kayak
#

i.e. ensuring Whirlwind remains a better button than Slam in (mostly raid) situations where you don't have Cleave talented

plucky violet
#

this is what i imagine arms warrior should look like in my head lol

shadow ibex
#

Every muscle up is a 1% dmg inc

plucky violet
narrow flax
#

getting lots and lots of errors wit addons popups

#

any specific addons u guys know off that give errors nwo?

void bay
#

get buggrabber and bugsack

narrow flax
#

aight ty

fleet star
smoky kayak
#

there's no shot cleave would catch a random +100% buff

#

that's not even copium, that's complete fantasy

bronze tiger
#

i mean, this game is complete fantasy..

boreal hawk
#

usually whats ur damage on the real first pull of priory (15+) ?

narrow flax
#

where they are stored

bronze tiger
#

cant just blindly download something. the scammers would love you lul

smoky kayak
smoky kayak
bronze tiger
narrow flax
#

but got it

#

thanks

bronze tiger
#

Archi maybe you would know, is Best-In-Slots hero track typically better than a max crafted wep?

candid pecan
#

no

bronze tiger
#

i got the raid wep, so im not sure if it would even be worth it to craft another wep for like 10 ilvls

bronze tiger
#

so i still need to craft a wep even though i have bis, fooookkk meeee

#

are we talking a big difference though?

#

or is it like 5k

rain cipher
bronze tiger
#

was just hoping to get a general answer from the oracles

#

cmon season 1 contest winner 😛

slim iron
#

How big are the buffs for arms?

minor gust
bronze tiger
minor gust
plucky violet
#

is it better to always keep mr lock n stalk in single target?

junior quail
#

whats the ideal crit % for colossus and slayer (raid) currently?

#

was at 40%, seemed kinda high, so i recrafted some items to haste/mastery instead

grand idol
#

You could get a generic answer but a tailored answer to your particular characters stats and items available can only be obtained by simming it.

#

Love it or hate it.

#

And it only takes a couple minutes.

wanton sierra
#

how about if you are free? xD

grand idol
#

(I don't know the generic answer, just to be clear. I don't play arms very much)

minor gust
unreal halo
#

just read the changes, is it worth now to WW instead of slam as filler?

minor gust
#

At 5+ targets most likely yes

unreal halo
#

in raid then i ignore it as always i guess

#

WW is only a short dick version of bladestorm

minor gust
#

Well we're talking about raid you will never have WW for M+

unreal halo
wanton sierra
#

i rather ww than cleave... but cleave is our top dam xD

minor gust
#

If WW also procd reap or gave CM stacks it would prob be more viabe

#

But it doesn't so it's a shit button

unreal halo
#

i want to use mortal in aoe, but there is no 2 target capped m+ unfortunately

#

cleave sound is shit imo

rare kite
stoic epoch
#

how much worse is warrior in m+ comp to ret atm ?

unreal halo
#

but thats not gonna happen

sage badge
#

Make macro's and change the icon to mortal strike.

thick kelp
bronze tiger
#

any reason why the robot wants me to have mastery lol

dim basalt
#

Because mastery is not a bad stat

gaunt owl
dim basalt
#

That's not gonna change much tbh

bronze tiger
gaunt owl
#

robot is giga min maxing stats too much

minor gust
#

Mastery still a good stat

gaunt owl
minor gust
#

and something your gonna want

bronze tiger
#

think its fine?

dim basalt
#

And in S3 we will want vers too okayge

gaunt owl
#

every stats is good for Arms

minor gust
#

🤯

bronze tiger
#

i still need to get the circlet fml

gaunt owl
#

btw why are you simming ST with an AOE build

dim basalt
#

You don't need circlet

gaunt owl
#

WAIT WAIT WAIT

dim basalt
#

If you have access to myth track rings

bronze tiger
gaunt owl
#

i'm retired and you guys cant even notice those thing

bronze tiger
#

lol

minor gust
dim basalt
#

Same

gaunt owl
#

i'm disappointed

dim basalt
#

No need to look at it

minor gust
#

go back to touching grass Ppaww!

minor gust
#

or come back to us

gaunt owl
#

i touched my rifle

bronze tiger
gaunt owl
#

and took a medal home

wanton matrix
#

Guys, is it a warrior thing having issues getting into +16 and above or is it just me? tierlist

minor gust
#

Ppaww Arms got a 100% WW buff its saved come back!

dim basalt
gaunt owl
minor gust
gaunt owl
#

waiting for the rework

#

i'm always lurking

minor gust
#

you might die of old age

gaunt owl
#

38 by the 4th of June

#

clearly on the sloppity slop

bronze tiger
#

was just going to grab it so i had more dps for raid

acoustic surge
#

38? You’re a youngin.

minor gust
#

your missing some great jugg min maxing right now

dim basalt
latent moss
minor gust
#

you could be having so much fun losing 15 stack jugg right before 35%

dim basalt
#

Not like it takes long

gaunt owl
bronze tiger
unkempt wren
#

I need to stop being lazy and make a 'death to juggernaut' meme pic... lol

gaunt owl
latent moss
#

seeing keycaps from your keyboard around the room is the other cool one

gaunt owl
#

can we crash out til Ion is done messing with WoW?

latent moss
#

tough to choose my favorite ngl

gaunt owl
#

are you guys ready to play without Addon

minor gust
gaunt owl
#

like in TBC when people didnt knew shit

latent moss
bronze tiger
#

any reason why wowhead recommends defenders armor kit over stormbound?

latent moss
#

if i cant tweak addons

gaunt owl
#

i cant math "Ion Hazzikostas" C'thun is unkillable dps checked

latent moss
unkempt wren
latent moss
#

defenders is armor right

minor gust
#

yes

latent moss
#

ye armored to the teeth gives u str

bronze tiger
#

theyre the same str, one just gives stam and the other is armor

#

ahh

latent moss
#

yeah armored to the teeth converts some armor to str

gaunt owl
#

stam is overall better for survivability

unkempt wren
#

Survivability? What's that word? Is it like parsing?

gaunt owl
#

as armor is kind of absolutly oldge stats

#

yes its parsing better

latent moss
#

more damage = better chatting

gaunt owl
#

if you dead you cant parse

#

surviving is the real parse

#

@dire hinge show them the real parsing

unkempt wren
#

My health is the healers job obviously

gaunt owl
#

a dead dps is useless

latent moss
#

cant die as arms

gaunt owl
#

you cant only drive fast on the autobahn

latent moss
#

anyway

gaunt owl
#

you have to steer the wheel

#

crashing out wont help

#

@hexed saddle your team sux so much at Hockey they lost to Danemark

minor gust
#

the legend Hrothmar

gaunt owl
#

this is proof Hrothmar is better at the game than all of you

dire hinge
#

I wouldn't say that 😳 im just some guy

gaunt owl
#

they all sux

minor gust
#

he so humble too

#

what a Legend

gaunt owl
#

floor pov

#

they die before the boss do

dire hinge
#

Healers hate him

gaunt owl
#

my god

#

you took 25% dmg

#

of all dmg

#

how many people ?

#

if its 30%

#

30 people its far too much

dire hinge
#

75% uptime of "standing in the bad"

#

uhhh idk this was a pug one sec

#

(i messaged the healers ahead of time, im not a monster)

gaunt owl
#

math is so funny

#

healer had fun probably too

dire hinge
#

23 i think?

gaunt owl
#

you did mitigate actively

#

30%

#

even some mythic raider dont do this

dire hinge
#

i should have mitigated much more, but i did sit in dstance whenever i was in the puddles yeah

#

can't HPS parse if you die

#

but you also can't HPS parse if you're at full hp

gaunt owl
#

you have to technically be dying

gaunt owl
#

ignore pain on CD and victory rush to glory

#

i wish ignore pain wasnt such a shitty CD now

dire hinge
#

its like flying

#

throw yourself at the ground, and miss

#

try to die, but don't

hollow wave
#

Now I actually have to press slam

gaunt owl
#

so you miss IP for the dmg amp ?

#

😄

#

i miss when IP was a good CD def

#

tactically useful

dire hinge
#

No IP being an offensive ability was one of the wildest things i've seen

gaunt owl
#

people are so greedy with their dps i cant even

#

parsing for all the wrong reason

minor gust
#

I just miss having an OGCD abillity to control my rage with

gaunt owl
#

rage bar is the worst thing ever now

#

its gone out of control for too long

minor gust
#

having to much rage is always better than too little just need a way to control to much rage to keep it fun instead of just ignoring it like we do now

whole vapor
gaunt owl
shadow ibex
#

thats about the only thing i miss

#

i think that type of gameplay is interesting

#

reminded me of mop fury and berserker rage being an offensive button

#

since the enrage it gave = 1 charge of raging blow. so you could go into CS windows with different resource amounts because you knew i for sure am getting 1 RB charge

minor gust
#

Cant wait for legion classic to try it

shadow ibex
#

mop fury man

#

my beloved

gaunt owl
#

legion classic not gonna happen

minor gust
#

yeah im waiting till next week for the xp buff on cata classic to lvl a warrior

#

I wanna try Mop fury

#

I hear good things about it

shadow ibex
#

i could write a fuckin dissertation on that stupid shit man. pushing regular auto attacks off the combat table cuz you got so much crit

#

wow just isnt like that anymore. not that level of stat weirdness

minor gust
gaunt owl
shadow ibex
#

i wouldnt be surprised if they stopped the classics

#

idk wod classic even typing that just seems so weird

minor gust
#

they could skip wod

#

potentially

shadow ibex
#

because that expac was essentially a mulligan.

gaunt owl
minor gust
#

and go straight to legion

shadow ibex
#

i fully expect them to tbh

gaunt owl
#

WoD i had fond memory

shadow ibex
#

they pretty much stopped making it halfway thru to go to legion

minor gust
#

we can hope

shadow ibex
#

its crazy how much of the world didnt get used

gaunt owl
#

Wod was a social moment in my WoW time

shadow ibex
#

the big frost wilf city

#

isnt shatt just under a bubble?

gaunt owl
#

WoD was perfect no shitty rep grind, simple raid time. no mplussing

minor gust
#

I feel like the big pp move would be for the classic team to finish WOD

#

and include all the cut content

gaunt owl
#

they should add the cut content

minor gust
#

give us the capital citys the cut raids and zones

#

like there was supposed to be a shattrath raid and like 2 other zones

shadow ibex
#

you can see the fall off i nreal time

#

look at the mythic armor from foundry

#

and compare it to armor art from hfc

minor gust
#

was a dark time

shadow ibex
#

foundry mythic has moving parts and 3d models and all types of effects

#

then to hfc and its like what the fuck

wanton sierra
#

Man playin hier keys i miss seasonal afixes, like prideful, awaken… now high keys got both fort and tyrn

minor gust
#

some how wow survived two cataclysmic events of end of mop/wod and SL

shadow ibex
#

i think SL was worst to play

#

it had more content ofc but like

#

dealing with conduit energy. covenents as a whole

minor gust
#

I quit in SL

shadow ibex
#

the currency farm in torghast

#

socket farm

minor gust
#

I killed Mythic SLG and just couldnt care anymore and went to play TBC classic

gaunt owl
#

legit the stupidest thing ever

shadow ibex
#

on paper wod is probably the worse game just cuz its practically unfinished. we will never be slaves ahhh ending

gaunt owl
#

and Ion baldest Hazzikostas was talking about fine tuning

shadow ibex
#

but SL had conduit energy

#

so it auto wins/loses

rare kite
#

yea wod was only bad coz it lacked content. to this day it still has the best cinematic in my opinion