Because main benefit of chaos is u pop all secondaries.
#arms
slow saddle
quiet yacht
its from this discord lmao
reef glade
random ibex
Because main benefit of chaos is u pop all secondaries.
For sure, but I’m struggling as to why tempered pots would reinforce that decision
slow saddle
Coz if u choose another flask u dont get all secondaries from tempered
U get all exept the flask u usin
magic canopy
For sure, but I’m struggling as to why tempered pots would reinforce that decisi...
if you choose a mastery flask, then when you pop a tempered pot you only get crit/vers/haste. with a alchemical chaos potion you get mastery as well
random ibex
Oh no shit. I didn’t realize that’s how it worked. I’m just dumb
I actually just didn’t read the tooltip
slow saddle
Well tbf it does not state that properly
Or well not that chaos would give all 4 as 1 is active
swift crown
Huh
Chaos doesnt state that it activates a Tempered Flask
so no Tempered Flasks are active 🤷♂️
inland drift
is arms or fury better for horrific visions?
eager sigil
prot is best probably
slow saddle
Tbf both have been ok so far
olive nest
swift crown
Man they killed that boss
quasi torrent
the boss has been kill
dim basalt
where were you when mug was kill
quasi torrent
i was at home eating chip
swift crown
When Turbobizzy came
wanton sierra
rookery 16
thick kelp
Velf racial works
💪
hexed snow
Velf racial works
-30 Euros
hexed snow
250k gold bigsmile
-250k is worse
eager nexus
any pro tips for mythic mugzee?
olive nest
Just fight for uptime and try to sweep right as the adds leap down
Not much else you can do
slow saddle
-250k is worse
What 250k wont buy u race change will it?
eager nexus
We're getting him to 20% rn
slow saddle
Isnt it 2 tokens for a racechange😅
Also if i need to change fsction for race do i need to buy faction change instead?
untold pewter
any pro tips for mythic mugzee?
Don't step on mines and be extra careful if you're bladestorming as they come out (because you might be able to see the floor but the other melee might not because of hour bladestorm). Just a general prog tip
spiral coral
Also if i need to change fsction for race do i need to buy faction change instea...
Auto swaps your faction lol
stone marsh
Hey guys, how far is slayer behind Colossus in M+?
spiral coral
Depends on player but not much
slow saddle
Auto swaps your faction lol
Ok so race change is all races no matter faction, got it, last time i used faction change
spiral coral
I believe so? I don’t see why it wouldn’t. That’d be insane. Guess I’ll let you know later
Switching races later today actually lol
It has to be because I’m shit because there’s no way I’m good and have great dps but I keep getting agro on pull consistently and feel like shadowmeld would’ve helped/will help a ton
stone marsh
Depends on player but not much
Really? I though Slayer was way behind and basically unplayable
In M+
teal fossil
they buffed it this patch
nova marsh
It has to be because I’m shit because there’s no way I’m good and have great dps...
Wait for sunders
stone marsh
they buffed it this patch
Noice
void bay
Ok so race change is all races no matter faction, got it, last time i used facti...
Worgen and vulpera cost 1 extra token cos furry tax
rare kite
still worse than colossus but it's not hardtrolling to play slayer in m+ anymore
slow saddle
I believe so? I don’t see why it wouldn’t. That’d be insane. Guess I’ll let you ...
Pretty certain if u horde u buy faction change( includes race change for obvious reasons
slow saddle
still worse than colossus but it's not hardtrolling to play slayer in m+ anymore
Hmm, its fury warrior levels of trollolin🤣
spiral coral
Pretty certain if u horde u buy faction change( includes race change for obvious...
Doubt. I’m Vulpera
spiral coral
bronze oxide
does anyone help with m+ log reviews in here?
spiral coral
I don’t believe they’re really looked at by many tbh
fresh spire
There is a log review channel and some fo help
spiral coral
Just.make a new warrior
Are you telling me to start another warrior from scratch, level it to 80, get it geared and then push it to 3k?
Cause I will
bronze oxide
Yeah I found it now cheers
slow saddle
Are you telling me to start another warrior from scratch, level it to 80, get it...
Always
undone plume
Any arms warrior eu want to join on sprocket prog tonight ? 20:00-23:00 server time
slow saddle
No tracking specialized buffs or debuffs - these should be built into the default UI
Why this?
smoky kayak
it's hard to assess, since they're not quite clear on what "specialized" means in this context
minor gust
Any arms warrior eu want to join on sprocket prog tonight ? 20:00-23:00 server t...
Why specifically arms you got a problem with fury?
🤔
undone plume
Why specifically arms you got a problem with fury?
Tbf I don’t care
minor gust
You should go ask in the fury channel might get a bite there arms is always afk
olive nest
No tracking specialized buffs or debuffs - these should be built into the defaul...
Just a guess but an example of what I think they mean is our tier set this season for example
That is a “specialized buff” in my mind
slow saddle
Yes but why.
olive nest
They want everyone to be on a level playing field as far as information on the screen
Atleast it seems like that is the goal
Like bob smith should be able to try wow for the first time and have the exact same information on there screen as the 20 year vet
Again that’s what I think the goal is
naive sage
They really live under a rock assuming that everyone process information in the same way
smoky kayak
That is a “specialized buff” in my mind
the question is more technical, because the combat log doesn't make any such distinction between your tier set buff and "simple" stuff like Avatar or Enrage - it's possible they could create some kind of marker (ala private auras), but given their disdain for how players worked around private auras using macros, I think they're more likely to go the full mile and restrict real-time reading of the combat log entirely
naive sage
Why shouldn’t I be able to set up things the way I’m most comfortable with? And they pride in being inclusive lmao
smoky kayak
that's my bigger issue; while they talk about narrowing the gap between players, I'm not sure restricting WA's really does that... if anything it might exacerbate it
While they're right that it's probably not healthy for the game, WeakAuras do help put players on a more even playing field. A very attentive player might keep up with mechanics without them, but I'd argue there are a lot more very mediocre players out there who depend on a weakaura screaming "move idiot" when it's time to go
olive nest
the question is more technical, because the combat log doesn't make any such dis...
Imagine that world Holly Molly
naive sage
Everyone’s brain is different
And not everyone playing this game has the same goals
smoky kayak
ideally, they'd improve their baseline tools to help fix that loss, but given their track record in that regard... I'm not sure I have high hopes
olive nest
Why shouldn’t I be able to set up things the way I’m most comfortable with? And ...
They allow you to edit the ui to your comfort* by moving information around but the information would be the same
smoky kayak
I mean hell, you can't even separate buffs and debuffs with edit mode
the default buff bar in WoW is completely useless, it's damn near impossible to parse that jumble of icons for any useful information
olive nest
Ideally they simply create a buff bar and debuff bar
naive sage
They allow you to edit the ui to your comfort* by moving information around but ...
They want you to get used to their choice of style and information delivering regardless of you liking it or not
smoky kayak
Ideally they simply create a buff bar and debuff bar
I mean yes, but that's not even all that useful when you can't separate the important from the unimportant
you ever stop to look at how many random ass buffs are cluttering your bar every day?
olive nest
Or imagine they allow us to put single bar icons all over the screen wherever we want
Maybe that’s not user friendly though
smoky kayak
I have over a hundred auras on my blacklist and the bar still stretches across my screen lol
naive sage
For example there are many many people using Elvui, are they planning to force people to go back to default ui?
olive nest
Sounds terrible to configure the first time
smoky kayak
For example there are many many people using Elvui, are they planning to force p...
we don't know the extent, certainly some amount of re-skinning will still be possible
e.g. I use Elkano's Buff Bars to get... well actual "bars" instead of just icons
and that will almost certainly still work
but the ability to make a WA to single out a specific buff or debuff? That might not, it's hard to say because they weren't that specific
naive sage
you ever stop to look at how many random ass buffs are cluttering your bar every...
That’s on you as a player to be rational with your setting imo
smoky kayak
I would imagine that a lot of rotational WAs, like Atrocity/etc will probably either stop working or be much more limited
smoky kayak
That’s on you as a player to be rational with your setting imo
not when the game does not give you a setting to adjust that
tacit crystal
you ever stop to look at how many random ass buffs are cluttering your bar every...
no rhey dont exist for me 
i cannot tell i have a single buff or debuff ever
olive nest
Man if i can’t have my WA suite right below my toon on the screen i feel like it will ruin the game for me
I’m so incredibly dependent on that
smoky kayak
tbf you can do practically the same thing with well setup action bars
but it's just an example
olive nest
That’s fair yes minus buffs/debuffs witch we covered
smoky kayak
and a few other things, like hiding icons while on cooldown/etc
but you can get the same basic setup at least
smoky kayak
They are, but tbf they already made that point
"Some of it is being guided by feedback to understand how we can bridge that gap for a majority of our players, and also to some extent accepting, and hopefully getting folks to accept, that it is 96 percent of perfect," Hazzikostas said.```
shadow ibex
Can't wait for classes to have as many buttons as a marvel rivals character. Some simple combo abilities and an ult 
plush smelt
This entire situation is reminding me of Jagex restricting add-ons for Oldschool Runescape, creating their own client and just adding a lot of the popular “non-cheaty” add-ons people used to the base game but 100x less customizable
olive nest
Can't wait for classes to have as many buttons as a marvel rivals character. Som...
Lmao
I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed if the gameplay feels fun and engaging still
Wows combat easily smokes all the competition
IMO
smoky kayak
on a high level, the overarching goal of reducing encounter dependency on WA is a good thing
The issue is that doing it without also restricting all the low-level stuff that players now take for granted is a whole lot harder. We don't know exactly what the extent of their restrictions will be, and it's very possible that they don't even know yet either, but it's very unlikely that there won't be some amount of collateral damage
shadow ibex
That's what I think of when I read about them shortening the gap
smoky kayak
Can't wait for classes to have as many buttons as a marvel rivals character. Som...
na, though I would think that more classes will end up playing like Warriors
aside from a couple specific things that players like to game, Warriors barely need any auras to play effectively
and all of those things are independently solvable
shadow ibex
I think that's a product of it being a class with 3 buttons
plush smelt
Do you think blizzard feels restricted in making more interesting encounters because the inherent complexity if a mechanic just gets solved by a weakaura?
olive nest
Yes, they’ve said that multiple times
shadow ibex
They've had complex unable to be solved
With WA
And those mechanics are always awfuln
Ovinax was "weak aura proof"
So you had someone place markers mid encounter
shadow ibex
Nel debuffs supposed to be no weak aura
regal wharf
My guild is doing stix
shadow ibex
Instead one of the worst ever
tacit crystal
i did that fight without weakaura
me running to random corner
i just picked the one i usually get sent to on that set
olive nest
I mean hell Weakauras even rotate kick assignments for us
Lmao
The most basic function
Automated
shadow ibex
Yes and now we have first party rotation automation
Direct from blizzard
I don't think anyone has strong desire to do kicks natty unless they just don't matter
Die randomly on queen cuz ranged can't kick doesn't sound fun
smoky kayak
Do you think blizzard feels restricted in making more interesting encounters bec...
I think you'll see more encounters like Gallywix
which is not necessarily a bad thing
slow saddle
I mean ovinax type fights or neltharion wasnt a good time
minor gust
double the time you have to pop eggs and Ovinax can def be done without a WA
smoky kayak
more time and better identification in game - give players matching colors or something, etc
have the egg layout be a little more straightforward so you more easily could tell which should be popped each round, instead of trying to memorize a map or use markers
minor gust
im glad they brought up that more bosses have some sort of swirlies or shit on the ground to dodge. Cuz I remember just progging sprocket and being like man this fight feels so good because theres not shit you have to constantly dodge no swirlies
smoky kayak
No wa's just blast
did we do the same tindral? lmao
smoky kayak
haven't even gotten into what these changes might mean for dispel fights
slow saddle
Would require a lot of voice communication other wise...
Not a good solution for most guilds
warm fog
They have years of this WA vs encounter design arms race to undo and my god it’s gonna be rough
shadow ibex
Ovinax could have been managed with same color debuffs etc etc
So it raises the question, why wasn't it?
They wax poetically on and on about how WA means they can't do this or that
Yet when they have the opportunity to, where is it?
slow saddle
If egg turned green and players turned green or wdym?
warm fog
Blizzard encounter design has gotten lazy, they know WA will sort out a hot mess like stix
shadow ibex
We can totally make interesting mechanics without weak aura they say
slow saddle
Well would only req players. Rest is marked
shadow ibex
Ok so why the fuck do all my ovinax circles look purple
warm fog
There is no way they can make some of these fights with a stock ui
shadow ibex
I'm just saying they've had plenty of opportunity to make a fight like ovinax not require 1hr of WA trouble shooting cuz new guy is in etc etc
warm fog
Class design too
shadow ibex
If ovinax gave out 4 color debuffs that you had to match that would be very possible without a WA, but it would also be a lot easier
slow saddle
Yup
shadow ibex
So how do we make a fight harder? Do you require amazing numbers from the dps to meet a tight check?
warm fog
There’s a hundred other things you can do
shadow ibex
I think its inevitable fights would on average be easier
With last 2/3 being exceptions
slow saddle
Sprocket like fights
warm fog
Honestly m sprocket is a great fight
shadow ibex
You could make it more difficult to get full output from the classes
But doubt we'll get more difficult rotations
slow saddle
Honestly m sprocket is a great fight
Just started it but fun so far
warm fog
You can always layer in extra simple mechanics
You don’t need a bullshit WA pack to play it
shadow ibex
If the mechanics are easy that's just bloaty
warm fog
Stix could easily have been tweaked to remove the WA part. The room could be in physical quadrants and just drop you in ball into one
And all the rest stays
Don’t hit bombshells, run over mobs, get big, etc
slow saddle
Aint big wa part there though
I dont feel thats a bad weakaura interaction i might be wrong
shadow ibex
I think Stix at this point with ilvl and raid buff a WA is pointless
It was needed early cuz the fight was very tight
Look at the comp for rwf to do it
warm fog
It’s not the worst example for sure
shadow ibex
Very different fight for anyone progging it now + nerfs
minor gust
well theres always gonna be bad raid groups doing Stix but yeah you def can just yolo that shit dont need the WA
tacit crystal
yep
shadow ibex
We can now but during rwf it was a whole ass wall.
floral bone
If I use my puzzling cartel chips on a Heroic Best-In-Slots, will I be able to upgrade it later to the mythic one?
floral bone
ah :/
dim basalt
But even if, not worth
floral bone
so just get a crafted weapon then?
dim basalt
yes
floral bone
cool, thanks!
Is there any particular reason why it's not worth it? All the guides, even this disc, seems to suggest it
I'm guessing it's a significant dps diff?
warm fog
Heroic? Ilvl is too low
spiral coral
^
Mythic HoC or something won’t scale that much higher than its heroic counterpart, but for a weapon it matters quite considerably. A crafted weapon or a mythic weapon will do better than any heroic weapon.
@floral bone to answer your question
floral bone
<@140171313984569344> to answer your question
thanks!
spiral coral
thanks!
Btw, when I say crafted weapon, I’m also talking about it being 681 or whatever the max is idr. So 90 gilded altogether for the crest to craft it and then the matrix to give it +6 to max.
floral bone
sure, I'm only ilvl 630 atm and was just looking to get something decent relatively quickly
spiral coral
It all depends on what you think you’ll use the longest and not replace quickly when it comes to the cartel chips imo. So probably HoC or Jastors if you’re picking heroic options.
floral bone
yeah I don't see myself getting the mythic ones anyway :D
slow saddle
Jastors is bis
Even at hc
U can get hc lens from delves, cant get a ring thats close
knotty creek
t
thick hamlet
how do i see a player's gcd timeline on warcraft logs
zenith warren
upper right you have a button
zenith warren
you can select a specific person and then choose abilites iirc, just toy a bit with it
should be quite intuititive
would you guys hold cds a bit on mugzee to align it with intermission (bl+execute)?
reef glade
how do i see a player's gcd timeline on warcraft logs
you can hit casts as one of the options to look at
And then either timeline or events on the top right somewhere
thick hamlet
ah yea i found it, thanks amigos
stark salmon
new to warrior here, how often am I meant to be holding cooldowns to pop things together? I find after intial pulls they rarely nice align
hollow plover
new to warrior here, how often am I meant to be holding cooldowns to pop things ...
in single target we full send on cooldown unless they are like 5 seconds away from eachother or if a mechanic demands us hold cooldowns
stark salmon
and how concerned with full charging mortal strikes, especially during execute, do I always want to be double execute, overpower prior to sending mortal strike or do people just sort of put it on cd
fathom shoal
Send MS and soon as it's up and have x2 executioner precision up during execute
Don't MS in execute unless it's double EP
obsidian sand
does sweeping strikes cleave MS from unhinged?
fathom shoal
does sweeping strikes cleave MS from unhinged?
Nope
obsidian sand
thx
fathom shoal
It used to 😦
shadow ibex
anyone still got their gift of nzoth from bfa
eager sigil
i think i do on some character
shadow ibex
i hope they call that back with xalatath at some point
since that quest line is where it came from
vast drum
Trying to find an alt mainly so I have a 2nd toon for when guild does boosts. What melee plays close to arms?
I would just make a 2nd war but that seems a little extreme
keen plaza
First pull of the dungeon, when do I demolish; should I be waiting for the full stacks and sending mid sweeping strikes ravager window?
Or just zug it before sweeping/ravager to start refunding
rare kite
Trying to find an alt mainly so I have a 2nd toon for when guild does boosts. Wh...
don't think any melee plays "close" to arms. but enhance feels very good, whether spamming stormstrike or spamming lavalash
vast drum
don't think any melee plays "close" to arms. but enhance feels very good, whethe...
Ight got it ty
Sucks, love arms sm
rare kite
just make 2nd warrior
rare kite
First pull of the dungeon, when do I demolish; should I be waiting for the full ...
wait for full stacks
shadow ibex
2h oblit
kinda do imo
frost is probably closest. pillar of frost has CDR with resource spending iirc. or at least oblit crits
and kinda functions like test of might
death and decay is kinda like sweeping if you squint 
keen plaza
wait for full stacks
ty sir
spiral coral
Trying to find an alt mainly so I have a 2nd toon for when guild does boosts. Wh...
Tbh fire mage felt super easy for me to slide into the rotation. It’s my main alt and it’s super fun, doesn’t play like a typical ranged either since you want to be in melee range
visual fern
just make 2nd warrior
Real
visual fern
don't think any melee plays "close" to arms. but enhance feels very good, whethe...
UDK I'm told
But I don't play udk so can't confirm
hollow plover
quick weekly key mhhmyes
shadow ibex
must be friends with the ppl in this top
hollow plover
nop
randos from lfg
2.8k randos
mage was like 2.5k
i should start logging dungeons
hollow plover
like this is key level 10 TOP rankings
from people who actually log it
2.9mil is the highest logged dps
hollow plover
and let me kill them for valorstones
spam radiant echoes
you can join a radiant echo group and legit go afk
hollow plover
like this is key level 10 TOP rankings
is this overall roughly equivalent to details shown dps or is it damage divided by the entire dungeon length including downtime?
shadow ibex
fuck if i know
shadow ibex
56 i think was best
hollow plover
56 i think was best
o shit ur close to killing then
thats like p2
which is basically a kill
1 more raidnight i think
minor gust
how many hours you guys raid a week?
hollow plover
damn i wish
i kinda wanna raid 12hrs
4x3
we killed gally tonight and my first thought was damn i wanna raid
minor gust
yeah I dont mind it I like 3 days especially needed for a guild like us since were not that good
allows us to get CE at a reasonable pace and still have some fun in farm
hollow plover
yea i get that
bronze tiger
should i be running the colussus build or slayer?
bronze tiger
got it, i just saw the two builds and slayer had more boss damage but i wasnt sure what the play was
hollow plover
yeah slayer is the raid build in 99% of cases
the best course of action for you is to go onto warcraft logs and then check the top 10 rankings for each bossfight
top 10 arms parses
for the difficulty you're trying to play, of course
minor gust
or a real gamer move play both decide whats more fun and play that one
hollow plover
overrated
minor gust
hollow plover
trail?
minor gust
The Oregon Trail?
strange perch
anyone have info about stat prio for arms pvp? seems like ppl just stack infinite haste? no way that's optimal?
rare kite
real casts
spiral coral
(we have no idea here)
Mast/Vers/Haste
rare kite
that's t21, very very old
hollow plover
that's t21, very very old
this i guess?
its hella fake tho
i feel like
cuz ret isnt actually pressing that much
spiral coral
I think it’s inflated due to apm “bursts”
rare kite
this i guess?
i mean this is prob the most accurate that we have
tacit crystal
as warrior?
yeah
tacit crystal
what
hollow plover
but gio u dont play warrior
tacit crystal
?
hollow plover
?
tacit crystal
huh
spiral coral
Which, the classes at the top all have burst windows that your apm does skyrocket for a bit then settle back down to normal. Those just have higher spikes than others more consistently. It doesn’t tell the full picture imo.
zealous cave
u guys get this bug in keys where u thunderclap but ur rend doesnt re apply to targets next to u?
hollow plover
u guys get this bug in keys where u thunderclap but ur rend doesnt re apply to t...
no
its not a bug
i think ur misudnerstand how tclap works
hollow plover
search up my guy
wym
zealous cave
what am i misunderstanding
hollow plover
idk ur warr
tacit crystal
giofiveseven
hollow plover
that says something doesnt it
tacit crystal
zealous cave
wym kronzo what am i misunderstanding thunderclap applys rend to targets
eager nexus
Can I use any head enchant I want? is it like minimal loss for flavor
hollow plover
wym kronzo what am i misunderstanding thunderclap applys rend to targets
yea but a differing amount
tacit crystal
yeah bro
tacit crystal
mb the guy who should be in a world 100 guild astro gapped me
hollow plover
mb the guy who should be in a world 100 guild astro gapped me
why should he be top100
tacit crystal
got offer from warpath
zealous cave
oh
hollow plover
idk what guild that is
zealous cave
ii see what ur saying
tacit crystal
world 100 ish guild
zealous cave
it applys rend to ONLY 5 targets
hollow plover
no
zealous cave
ok
hollow plover
well yes
zealous cave
no?
hollow plover
but not only 5
tacit crystal
use ss
hollow plover
it interacts with sweeping strikes
tacit crystal
see that shit go up
hollow plover
in a very weird way
zealous cave
shit only six rends that sucks
in m+ rn
ok ty for letting me know
i was genuinely confused why i would thunderclap and like half my targets wearnt getting rend
hollow plover
rend is good but honestly dont think about it too much
quite often its better to legit just press cleave to apply mastery early
zealous cave
so i would have to thunderclap again and waste 60 rage or 40 w/r
w/e
yeah
i see different stuff people start with tc then their rotation or cleave into a rotation
spiral coral
Tbh a group of ads shouldn’t be really outlasting rend, a boss maybe, but generally you shouldn’t have to worry about it in ad packs
hollow plover
Tbh a group of ads shouldn’t be really outlasting rend, a boss maybe, but genera...
have u not been in 12s or higher?
zealous cave
just worried about getting rend on all big targets like the two big muscles
in the big pack in cinderbrew
spiral coral
have u not been in 12s or higher?
yes but generally by the time id have to reapply they’re about dead and im busy clicking other buttons to worry about it
hollow plover
the big bois like the cinderbrew boys who charge around live longer than 30secs or whatever
reapplying rend good
but tbf i also skip rend quite often
when they are 20%
or w/e
spiral coral
I mean I try to focus on it but tbh if there’s shit to interrupt or stun, rend is the last thing I’m thinking about
hollow plover
yea rend isnt even that good
so
who cares
it wont make or break the key
unless ur playing at a very high level
spiral coral
It’s odd switching between fury and arms (m+) and remembering fury doesn’t give a fuck about rend or anything it’s just brrrrr lol
hollow plover
yea fury just cares about target amount and enemy hp %
spiral coral
I’m taking a promotion, solely so I can join a guild and commit to a raiding schedule
I told my boss that to
hollow plover
based
spiral coral
😂
golden raptor
I just wished fury was actually good
But it is just so bad
It plays good, but it does no damage
rare kite
LMAO arms ww buff is hilarious
eager nexus
Whoever is in charge of our buffs needs to be fired
golden raptor
Buff, where?
eager nexus
100% buff to dmg of whirlwind lol
eager nexus
Does fury even use odynrs fury lmao
golden raptor
And yeah that Whirlwind buff is friggin' laughable, like what is that? For raid?
golden raptor
No, that's the thing.. You don't use Odyn's fury as fury, because it is so bad
rare kite
No, that's the thing.. You don't use Odyn's fury as fury, because it is so bad
i mean you prob do now
grave mulch
LMAO
keen canyon
Trolling
river ridge
LMAOOOOOO
golden raptor
I mean... Maybe
grave mulch
Cleave is old news?
minor gust
golden raptor
I mean... The talents also are so bad you can't even make a build without cleave
misty sandal
Whirlwind...???
eager nexus
legit WHO IS DOING OUR BALACING
golden raptor
Yes, who
misty sandal
WHIRLWIND?
keen canyon
There is no way lol
misty sandal
eager nexus
the boss is typing
smoky kayak
Despite not being meta, Arms isn't really doing poorly in M+, the change is just to prop up the ability in situations where it would be better to use Slam than to press Whirlwind when you don't actually have cleave
its a "fix broken thing" buff, not a "make Arms better in M+" buff
golden raptor
Arms is horrible to play in M+
shadow ibex
its for leveling until you cant reach cleave
golden raptor
Which is the problem
shadow ibex
you get ww at like lvl 7 and cant talent cleave until X
steel sluice
so if we were wanting to play colo without execute do you just put that one point in EP into bloodborne?
golden raptor
Compare warrior to DK or Ret, they just go to the middle of the enemies and do 360 degree aoe no problem, arms you have to make sure you have everything in front of you and everyone knows how bad demolish is to use
teal fossil
ya
fathom shoal
april foolsssss
golden raptor
I mean what other melee class gets locked in place during their big burst?
river ridge
Despite not being meta, Arms isn't really doing poorly in M+, the change is just...
So never?
stable fiber
Arms is horrible to play in M+
disagree
golden raptor
@stable fiber then you must have the best tanks
In pugs it is awful to play with most tanks
minor gust
arms cleave in raid has been in a weird spot for awhile now
golden raptor
And in many dungeons like DFC for example
minor gust
ever since the TWW changes
this helps but you still cant help but feel like eh who cares
wicked aurora
wtf is whirlwind?
stable fiber
<@232249410103279616> then you must have the best tanks
you might just need to be more intelligent when using cds
or use the jump tech/leap tech
wicked aurora
is that a button Arms still has after DF?
golden raptor
@stable fiber i don't have an issue when using demolish, except when mobs are scattered around like crazy and tanks decide to say "NOPE WARRIOR NOT TODAY" and displace the mobs right as i'm demolishing lol
strong tendon
They can not be serious with this joke of a buff
golden raptor
I still find the whole mechanic just really dumb
wicked aurora
honestly I don't want cleave and WW
I want one or the other
bring back storm of swords please
stable fiber
i might try a slayer whirlwind spam build in dungeons actually after i finish raid
golden raptor
You must be insane
stable fiber
well ig the buffs arent out yet
snow flame
Congrats on yalls whirlwind buff thats what the spec needed pog
shadow ibex
the thing is the times you would ww the adds that are alive are probably in time for sweeping
and yea slam probabyl wins out there
minor gust
with sweep i think you still push slam ngl
I didnt do the math yet but I wouldnt be surprised
shadow ibex
cant apply mast
minor gust
I dont think WW procs reap
shadow ibex
according to tooltip no
stable fiber
it doesnt
shadow ibex
it doesnt change to WW without cleave
stable fiber
cant apply mast
bladestorm does
stable fiber
i think thats larp
minor gust
balmy kindle
guys how much does the ww buff increase our dps 
last lynx
@balmy kindle focus on raid plz
balmy kindle
LOCKING IN
last lynx
ty
hollow plover
gg
hollow plover
idk ig ur just build different + early kill with 3% thing
stable fiber
im pissed
stable fiber
ruined
minor gust
I assume you played slayer?
minor gust
yeah my parse got cucked I was playing Blord colossus for OAB but we didnt kill it before the nerf
stable fiber
then died
minor gust
not bad for OAB have fun with Mug
hes not to bad unless people struggle with seeing mines
hollow plover
well yea thats what we're supposed to do
still crazy sd rng between add phases
im happy for u tho
woulda been close to rank 1 for sure
if u lived
hollow plover
at what time did u pre sweep
fossil thistle
weee, oab is dead
shadow ibex
weee, oab is dead
gz
fossil thistle
😐 I got placed on ranged chip duty so my parse is absolute dookie
shadow ibex
pale mantle
what
stable fiber
yeah uhh
shadow ibex
how did that even happen
stable fiber
that is insane
pale mantle
there is no ranged in your group ?
minor gust
That's rough
fossil thistle
We had range
shadow ibex
lmao how does that even get assigned
hollow plover
ekrio let us help you improve
shadow ibex
that is insane
fossil thistle
ekrio let us help you improve
I just do mekaniks, i'd rather see the boss die lol
hollow plover
so you dont want to deal damage during the time you can actually deal damage?
shadow ibex
like at that point
fossil thistle
Correct
fossil thistle
xD
fossil thistle
We had 2 arms
pale mantle
shadow ibex
man shout out to you
hollow plover
toxic
fossil thistle
investigator sheesh
pale mantle
2 mages
fossil thistle
^
pale mantle
I just need to know the reason, what was the argument
fossil thistle
🤷♂️
zealous pivot
omg WW buff, we are back
shadow ibex
this like surpasses rage bait cuz its real
little forge
nah hes saying he had to collect the coin and deposit it on the boss, not the buff coins
spice stag
coins are the chips you roll, tokens are the things that drop from the adds
need some clarification here...
little forge
which isnt that big of a deal at all as a warrior lol
river ridge
nah hes saying he had to collect the coin and deposit it on the boss, not the bu...
Than the tank does it
shadow ibex
oh we just had whoever
cuz mob was ontop of add always
nvm idk what went wrong then
hollow plover
hey hey hands off approach here
fossil thistle
I was doing the deposit token, and kept having to leap out/swap with no SS uptime, so it was a bit of a hurt
spice stag
cant you just leap our when the ranged add is just about to die then charge back? its still a loss but shouldnt be that big
or did it need your damage
shadow ibex
unless u were having to kill it
fossil thistle
or did it need your damage
Sometimes it needed the damage
fossil thistle
I prob still would've only parsed like 60s
cerulean scroll
i mean i did far token but i wont leave boss until the add is like sub 5%
fossil thistle
realistically, i prob lost ~200k dps ish
shadow ibex
jug stacks
spice stag
my guild has a melee go for the ranged token too, unfortunately someone needs to eat it
only suggestion is to ask to rotate the job week by week
war/dh/monk
🤝
cerulean scroll
you dont lose much
just leap charge on the last second or if its the middle one just pick it up when boss is moving
cerulean scroll
yea we thought you were doing chips for the raid which would be some funny stuff
spice stag
if melee aim the chips in a shit spot then its easier to just cover it :^)
bronze tiger
what should i buy with my first dinar purchase
spice stag
xmog
cerulean scroll
what should i buy with my first dinar purchase
whats your gear rn?
bronze tiger
whats your gear rn?
shit, im just gearing up. this is going to be my new main
spice stag
what sims the highest vs what do you have available to buy at myth track vs how hard are the items you need to acquire
cerulean scroll
do you have hero ring/house of cards/eye?
bronze tiger
i have nothing
cerulean scroll
then id still buy bis i think
bronze tiger
i havent even done heroic raid yet, i have guildies running me through 10s right now for all 655 gear
swift flame
id probs just get jastor diamond or a trinky
cerulean scroll
pacemaker + funhouse lens
spice stag
if you arent getting mythic track bis then dont waste a dinar on it
cerulean scroll
i mean if you have nothing but you have everything unlocked yea sure but jastor
bronze tiger
i wont be in mythic raid for about another week or so
cerulean scroll
yea i meant mythic BiS
bronze tiger
its all heroic from the vendor i believe
cerulean scroll
then save it id say
but you only get 3 purchases
when you need BiS house of cards eye and ring
spice stag
yeah tbh i'd just save it until you can buy myth track stuff if your plan is to unlock myth track stuff
swift flame
feel like eye kinda shit with how over geared everyone is now too
bronze tiger
i mostly do M+
bronze tiger
jastor right?
cerulean scroll
ye
bronze tiger
crafted 681 wep is cool?
cerulean scroll
yea its okay
spice stag
ye use crafted unless you get a mythic track one from somewhere
bronze tiger
okay cool, i plan on going hard next season. this season is to get back on warrior and have fun
cerulean scroll
you kinda want a crit wep at 684 and double crit lining
bronze tiger
yeah i figured uptime wouldnt be super great
only thing is i can farm floodgate for pacemaker
cerulean scroll
also try your luck with dwelves
funhouse lens and energy drink on hero is pretty good
bronze tiger
got it, i just havent been a huge fan of deleves. idk why, i just couldnt get into them
cerulean scroll
feel like eye kinda shit with how over geared everyone is now too
yea eye on mythic for me sims 1.5% better on a 7min 8 target patchwerck vs a hero pace maker
but on st it still pulls ahead on fights as short as 5mins
cerulean scroll
got it, i just havent been a huge fan of deleves. idk why, i just couldnt get in...
its just funhouse > house of cards when they are both hero tbf
dreamy egret
no ones using any of these abilities except mountain thane mythic plus fury....
stable fiber
how do i use BiS (weapon) in a macro
fossil thistle
Prob use it on avatar yea?
minor gust
depends if you have an on use trinket or not
minor gust
can also just /use shift click the item for the name
stable fiber
yeah ty
hollow plover
how do i use BiS (weapon) in a macro
do /use [combat] 16
bronze tiger
i just got pacemaker from floodgate lol
cerulean scroll
nah spaming BiS out of combat is fun
cerulean scroll
can also just /use shift click the item for the name
i think is equips it when you don't have it?
maybe im wrong
stable fiber
still have it bound though
minor gust
im just macroing it into CS
thats what I did
cerulean scroll
i mean if you have no on use trink
stable fiber
yeah i figure you do if your using a on use
minor gust
i think is equips it when you don't have it?
it wont
cerulean scroll
mb then
minor gust
if your using an on use yeah you want your BIS with your next CS
shadow ibex
fury thane stonks go
minor gust
if the OF buffs are enough to take it Fury should be chillin
minor gust
still not gonna be the best or anything but hopefully wont feel like shit
on big pulls
the WW buff is pretty big for slayer fury
tacit crystal
shadow ibex
double it
lime ruin
Why is it when I sometimes charge Mugzee during his second phase I charge through/past him and just die
It doesn't happen often but it does happen
hollow plover
you risk dying when u charge while he hasnt arrived at his location
because warrior charge is a mess
so the fix is to only charge once he arrives
you lose 1 gcd of uptime unfortunately but its better than dying
cerulean scroll
for slayer i think
nova marsh
Dosen't slayer want Cleave in aoe too?
minor gust
its just for raid when you dont have cleave
nova marsh
That shit still sounds useless
minor gust
if theres aoe you WW instead of slam
minor gust
it is indeed useless
nova marsh
God arms still sounds like a trainwreck
shadow ibex
useful lives and dies based on if you want another keybind
always good place for a button to be in
vast helm
Somebody help Arms
bronze tiger
yall think i should get jastor over HoC with dinars?
vestal isle
should I be using alchemical still with bis
hollow plover
should I be using alchemical still with bis
sim it if ur unsure and got time on your hands
for me its better to use alchemical
vestal isle
sim it if ur unsure and got time on your hands
in raid right now otherwise I would
alchemical just has me gambling for the right stat sometimes it feels like
because of BiS
hollow plover
yea but thats okay
arctic iris
Someday Blizzard will realize that Arms needs to have a baseline way to apply Deep Wounds in an AoE, so that we don't have to drop ST talents just for our mastery to work on AoE
It's fine for cleave to exist, but it's not fine when one of our stats is basically non-functional in AoE unless you have specific talents and/or specific long-ish CDs are up
hollow plover
Someday Blizzard will realize that Arms needs to have a baseline way to apply De...
warbreaker applies it too mate
so does bladestorm i suppose
im notr sure about rav
arctic iris
Warbreaker is what I meant when I said "drop ST talents", and Bladestorm/Ravager is what I meant when I said "specific long-ish CDs are up"
arctic iris
I think that one possible fix would be:
Cleave is baseline, replacing Whirlwind
Whirlwind takes Cleave's spot on the tree and now applies Deep Wounds
hollow plover
what are u talking about
arctic iris
do you want to not go warbreaker or smth?
Warbreaker is a non-trivial ST DPS loss just to make our CD work on AoE, because it means you give up Blunt Instruments.
Which is one of the problems Arms has. The tree is built first and foremost for ST, and then you have to make sacrifices for AoE in a way that a lot of other specs don't
vestal isle
this is a yappathon
hollow plover
nice ragebait
vestal isle
100%
hollow plover
going warbreaker instead blunt instruments in order to be more useful in aoe situations isn't a detriment to arms warrior talent design
having the choice between aoe and st is GOOD
not bad
And warbreaker vs BI isnt even that big of a dps loss in pure ST
also why is this even an issue to you muspel
you are never taking warbreaker to apply deep wounds
arctic iris
It's fine to have a difference between builds that are better at AoE and builds that are better at ST.
The specific problem is that for most specs, their ST builds still have some level of decent AoE. Arms doesn't, unless the times that you want AoE happen to line up with roar/BS
hollow plover
you are taking warbreaker to deal increased aoe damage
arctic iris
If the difference between our AOE and ST builds was that the AoE build did more AoE damage, then great
But the difference is that the ST build barely has AoE.
This is very different from what other specs have to deal with
plucky tendon
I feel like your argument would have been better if you use pathing to juggernaught+EP to argue for more ST in aoe
hollow plover
who cares if we have to change our talents in order to compete in aoe
why is that an issue
i dont see the issue
plucky tendon
Warbreaker vs BI isn’t a big st loss
hollow plover
I much prefer having that than e.g. windwalkers barely changing talents
arctic iris
I much prefer having that than e.g. windwalkers barely changing talents
That's not great either, but there's a middle ground
arctic iris
I want the difference between st and aoe builds to be smaller for arms than it is right now
Not as small as some specs, but smaller than we are currently
hollow plover
arms may be clunky but the way the talents enable arms aoe certainly isnt the problem
hollow plover
I want the difference between st and aoe builds to be smaller for arms than it i...
you are very very alone in that mate
hollow plover
Wtf is this?
i assume they are making whirlwind tier set in s3
slow saddle
Arms aoe makes sense
plucky tendon
Anyone else misses MBG ww spam or MBG+SoS ww, was fun
hollow plover
I want the difference between st and aoe builds to be smaller for arms than it i...
you want aoe and st to be closer - you want more aoe options to be part of the base kit, did i get that right?
because most people really want to seperate their aoe and st more and more
plucky tendon
No he wants more ST in the aoe kit
arctic iris
you want aoe and st to be closer - you want more aoe options to be part of the b...
I specifically want the base kit to have a way to make the mastery work in aoe
To the best of my knowledge, arms is the only dps spec in the game that cannot fully benefit from its mastery on aoe without specific talents
That could be something as minor as making whirlwind apply deep wounds
slow saddle
Just take cleave
hollow plover
soooo make tclap apply deep wounds or smth like that?
but im curious where you need that
is there a single fight where u need that?
🤨
arctic iris
soooo make tclap apply deep wounds or smth like that?
Also technically an option, but thunderclap is a talent, not part of the base kit, so I think whirlwind would be a better choice
slow saddle
U can plsy full st and take cleave minor loss of dmg
arctic iris
is there a single fight where u need that?
It would mostly be nice for raid bosses that are primarily single target but then you have brief periods of AOE that don't line up with your cooldowns
You wouldn't be explosive like a more AOE dedicated spec, but you wouldn't be useless either
hollow plover
Also technically an option, but thunderclap is a talent, not part of the base ki...
tclap is essentially part of arms base kit
you take it in every build due to where its located
arctic iris
you take it in every build due to where its located
The current raid ST slayer build doesn't. You could certainly pick it up and not particularly feel a loss, though.
hollow plover
The current raid ST slayer build doesn't. You could certainly pick it up and not...
yea it does
plucky tendon
As someone said above just take cleave for deep wounds If I need
slow saddle
I do
hollow plover
just swap shockwave for tclap
there u go
but also
you just mentioned a single target build
in a conversation about applying aoe dots
?xd
plucky tendon
Yah bro he’s confusing af
slow saddle
U have bladestorm + roar for aoe
arctic iris
you just mentioned a single target build
Yes, because again, my point is that I want the single target build to have a tiny bit more AoE.
I don't want it to be a full AoE build
arctic iris
I just want it to be able to apply deep wounds on demand without needing to path through cleave
Tclap does not apply deep wounds
slow saddle
Its 1 talent m8
hollow plover
please tell me
slow saddle
Costs nothing
slow saddle
There 100 % isnt 1
slow saddle
Ive tried having cleave
plucky tendon
SS+MS might have been more useful there
nova blade
Whats the significance of stormbolting in bladestorm in slayer opener?
slow saddle
Not
arctic iris
Whats the significance of stormbolting in bladestorm in slayer opener?
You can use it while bladestorming and it does damage, so there's no reason not to
nova blade
Ah
slow saddle
In raid
plucky tendon
Whats the significance of stormbolting in bladestorm in slayer opener?
Just because you can and nothing else u could do haha
arctic iris
Since it's either bladestorm damage, or bladestorm + stormbolt damage
SB does almost no damage though so it barely matters
If you need it for the stun then hold it
lime ruin
I've always thought Fury is the more well designed spec
Only reasons arms is ahead is because they just crank the damage and call it a day
lime ruin
in M+?
slow saddle
I want col arms to be our chosen raid spec
hollow plover
i wanna send arms maaaaaaaaaaaan
why?
hollow plover
masochist
slow saddle
Must be
I tried ignoring, deffo feels good, whwn u just send executes. U loose jugger all the time though🤣
hollow plover
yea and you suddenly fall VERY behind in damage
stable fiber
yo sweep goes fucking crazy
on mugzee
with good rng
look at this dumbass pull
thats like rank 1 parse world potential no cap
hollow plover
no but what the fuck are ur warlocks doing
slow saddle
yea and you suddenly fall VERY behind in damage
Yy i know
stable fiber
no but what the fuck are ur warlocks doing
i kinda annhilated the add they usually target
so like
hollow plover
I mean yea sure some adds you can sweep off of
but the far add is always dead before boss even arrives
with my locks being crazy high on dps meter
stable fiber
yeah it is in my guild too
rare kite
the adds are dead before boss even gets there
Same, it sucks ass
stable fiber
i mean
what the fuck LOL
this is my sweep target so im doing 25% less damage to this add specifically
hollow plover
i think your group doesnt udnerstand that they take bonus damage
which is why you fly up
slow saddle
Ofc?;30m ms