I made it
#arms
dire hinge
ayyy grats!
spiral coral
I’m sooo cloose grats Des
smoky kayak
Hrothmar the Parsebreaker
inner ether
Raidbots doesn't seem to have the option to select the Lesser Rune of Twilight Devastation.
dire hinge
shh blizzard might do a 3% nerf to Arm's Warrior's CacheBreaker ability
smoky kayak
Raidbots doesn't seem to have the option to select the Lesser Rune of Twilight D...
doesn't matter cause you ain't ever gonna use it anyway
unless you just really want to, in which case go nuts - there's not really a big difference between any of them
smoky kayak
basically yeah
inner ether
Yeah, I noticed that. Something like a spread of 3K dps from the lowest to highest. For the content I'm doing, it doesn't matter.
rough sluice
I quit in bfa a week before corruptions 
smoky kayak
while those are greaters, the lessers have the same relative spread
trim arrow
i dont think it matters for any content
people already killed m gallywix even without any aura zone buffs
or extra ilvl
runic rock
swift crown
people already killed m gallywix even without any aura zone buffs
Of course it doesn't matter in that sense but at the same time guilds are still struggling to clear the raid with all the jazz enabled
trim arrow
Of course it doesn't matter in that sense but at the same time guilds are still ...
still relevant
smoky kayak
real
hollow plover
still relevant
real
smoky kayak
I mean I have said several times that while we've gotten extremely good at measuring small numerical differences, it's also resulted in hyperfocusing and over aggrandizing those differences
like in any logical world, 0.1 or even 0.5% is literally nothing
even more so when you consider the insane amount of conditions present in WoW combat means that 0.1% sim difference might not even be real
swift crown
still relevant
Reloe is the goat
trim arrow
even more so when you consider the insane amount of conditions present in WoW co...
I like when someone asks “bis list”
and theres like 80 combinations within margin of error of each other
smoky kayak
yeah lol
not to mention that by the time anyone gets all that gear, the list is probably going to have changed as a result of other class/patch updates anyway
minor gust
like in any logical world, 0.1 or even 0.5% is literally nothing
it was a great feeling coming to terms with this. Even 1 or 2% is literally nothing. More people who learn to prioritize fun and enjoyment the more your gonna have fun with wow
visual fern
like in any logical world, 0.1 or even 0.5% is literally nothing
Walhe brought up a good point when I was talking to him a few weeks back
For parsing (i know i know) sometimes there'll be plays that net loss like .5% over however many iterations but are insane gains if you hit the highroll
smoky kayak
Yeah, that's something Sarri used to focus on a lot back in the day too
visual fern
Think he was talking playing around execute OP / 4set conditionals
smoky kayak
he would purposefully go for the high variance/high top end, just to try to get that one good parse
visual fern
smoky kayak
I think these days though, that's harder to justify, because we end up getting so many power spikes, nerfs, and other changes, that you don't really have multiple weeks to try to rank anymore when there's a new partition damn near every 3 weeks
smoky kayak
I actually tend to err on the other side of things - when given the choice between two nearly-equal options (like Cyrce's Circlet vs a 681 ring), I go with the one with the least variance, because I want more consistency
but then I'm not a big parse chaser anymore either
trim arrow
i mean is cyrce really rng
calm isle
I'm always just trying to beat the warriors in my guild. Just gotta find your own goals and push em
trim arrow
if you use stat gems
visual fern
Big consistency fan for gearing but I do like dipping my toes in the apl highroll waters once in a while
minor gust
consistency for prog big yolo parse for farm
visual fern
consistency for prog big yolo parse for farm
And big bozo always
minor gust
outer holly
Did I fuck up?
hollow plover
Something something shields dont count towards weapons
yet weapons count towards shield
outer holly
fuck
outer holly
Pretty much first thing this morning, so like 10ish hours ago
sacred zodiac
did you fully close the game since then
outer holly
yeah, I reloaded and logged in/out a few times assuming it was a quirk
twin hazel
Eye of Kezan is pretty good yea?
sacred zodiac
no did you close the game
sacred zodiac
Eye of Kezan is pretty good yea?
ye its p good
sacred zodiac
yeah, I reloaded and logged in/out a few times assuming it was a quirk
like did you fully close the game not relog or reload
quaint bloom
Which rune for visions?
hollow plover
Eye of Kezan is pretty good yea?
it's good in long fights, like 5min+
the longer the fight the better it is
twin hazel
it's good in long fights, like 5min+
Think Zee's would be better for solo instead?
hollow plover
Think Zee's would be better for solo instead?
it entirely depends on the content you play
and theres more than just trinkets, especially with dinars existing
you can easily buy a myth track pacemaker
twin hazel
dont do myth
white hedge
im certain this has been asked to hell but need to check
for arms is it better to go 30 on crit haste mas then add some verse?
or better to go higher etc etc
currently got an option to gear myself to like 55% crit or somewhere close to that
olive nest
you run a simulation of all of your gear options on raidbots
and then equip what it says is the best
dim basalt
Sim sim sim sim sim
white hedge
just that fury can stack mas like a madman, not sure how good bigger crit is with arms
that and im seeing people pack higher verse going into 15+s
fair siren
fury cant do anything unless the sims says so
naive sage
Every single guide tells to sim, why people simply skip it?
white hedge
i simed, just double checking cause im putting vers into consideration and i can move some stat into vers instead of going 35% x3 so just checking
dim basalt
But why vers
white hedge
idk how to sim for evened out and raising one or the other for vers
dim basalt
It does jackshit
dim basalt
We are super tanky
dim moth
Why are more people not using reverb radio? It’s simming higher than even pacemaker for me but I see so many using pacemaker?
dim basalt
You're better off using the tools you have instead of stacking vers
white hedge
ah oke
dim basalt
Why are more people not using reverb radio? It’s simming higher than even pacema...
Do you lack Haste?
For me the radio is an insane downgrade
sage badge
To put it in perspective how tanky arms is in m+, this is how much the disc priest healed me in a cinderbrew +17. And I have like 2% vers.
sage badge
dim basalt
You have to try your best to die as woryer
dim moth
Do you lack Haste?
I guess maybe? 15.6k with no flask
dim basalt
And to put it even more into perspective, disc stacks vers
dim basalt
I guess maybe? 15.6k with no flask
Doesn't seem bad, no clue why it sims so well for you but if it good, it's good
That's a wild trinket combination lmao
dim moth
yea id never use that
was just curious about the pacemaker but threw the lock n stalk in there
its same story for fury
radio sims higher than pacemaker with lock n stalk
white hedge
i see, sorry i'd guess im just worried i'm gonna die as i go higher
shit's feelin like every cast is a bloody bone spear
dim moth
just confusing cause I see almost nobody using it was wondering if there was a non sim reason
dim basalt
i see, sorry i'd guess im just worried i'm gonna die as i go higher
shit's feeli...
Being able to use SR and def stance properly is worth gold
Takes practice tho
zealous cave
is there a way to test mister lock in stalk in aoe sims?
it seems its only callibrated to precision on sims
reef glade
It should be on aoe if your sim is hitting multiple targets
zealous cave
really?
reef glade
Maybe try 5tar patchwerk quick sim to see if it actually does that
idk if it would specify and say mass destruction in the breakdown
Think that’s what I heard tho
reef glade
I mean it’s not great in aoe
just like useable enough
Most trinkets that just give stats are gonna be better
dim basalt
^
fresh spire
<:Woahdude:681256974079623169>
rare kite
surely we kill mugzee next week. let me free of this god awful spec
hollow plover
surely we kill mugzee next week. let me free of this god awful spec
its only awful whenever you aren't adept at optimizing jugg via adds
tacit crystal
nah jug is aids period
hollow plover
mugzee adds give u free jugg
dim basalt
still piss
hollow plover
i mean im an advocate to make jugg the same duration as prot warr jugg
but you can't deny that mugzee gives u jugg
tacit crystal
yeah
hollow plover
perma
dim basalt
Not perma lol
tacit crystal
its just aids period
hollow plover
Not perma lol
well yea
but it's surprisingly close if u get lucky with SD procs
and some top logs do have perfect uptime as well
dim basalt
if you get lucky
hollow plover
its kinda giga
dim basalt
hollow plover
real
white hedge
Being able to use SR and def stance properly is worth gold
good at sr, def stance is
no keybind for it KEK
hollow plover
good at sr, def stance is
no keybind for it KEK
def stance is one of the best buttons in the game
dim basalt
Like in theory you can also have insane uptime of jugg on Rik
tacit crystal
me when its the shortest cd defensive
dim basalt
But to make it work is too annoying
hollow plover
But to make it work is too annoying
yea thats true
dim basalt
On another note, Babymetal concerts are 10/10
hollow plover
On another note, Babymetal concerts are 10/10
+1
hollow wave
Kinda funny that colossus hero talent doesn't have a synergy with avatar
hollow plover
Kinda funny that colossus hero talent doesn't have a synergy with avatar
neither does slayer
no?
hollow wave
But I mean, avatar turn you in a colossus
delicate belfry
ive started to play a ton more M+ and was wondering when people change to dreadnaught from Strength of Arms? is it a key level or preference?
dim basalt
ive started to play a ton more M+ and was wondering when people change to dreadn...
Just preference
halcyon valve
If i want to pad aoe, its dreadnaught
latent moss
neither does slayer
during avatar u can cast execute regardless of enemy hp type shit
would go hard
instead of this dumb ahh bladestorm cdr
hollow plover
during avatar u can cast execute regardless of enemy hp type shit
ayo
nice cook
but it would make execute less relevant button maybe
latent moss
remove jugg make last node a choice node or something
between perma exe in avatar and something for big aoe
maybe cleave during avatar or something
hollow wave
Jugg is the most cancer talent ever invented
teal fossil
The casuals love it too much
dire hinge
having it fall off due to downtime and/or bad RNG is just rough
teal fossil
Jugg should just not exist pre 35
Make it last shorter and make it only fall off one at a time
rare kite
its only awful whenever you aren't adept at optimizing jugg via adds
uptime is pretty decent. however when actually nearing 40% there is no add to extend it on
zenith warren
does it take long to acquire bis corruption?
latent moss
no the worst part about jugg
isnt the buff itself
its the fact that exe baseline is weak
cause of it
it makes sd weak as fuck
if exe fucked without jugg sd would be so big
near radish
anyone here play also play ret - is the transition to playing arms tough or not that bad?
still glacier
Played ret last season. Arms is a very easy transition. Fury isn’t terrible either just much faster than arms.
dull karma
I know its been ask many times but are we still taking echo void enchant
?
with the known bug
hollow plover
if exe fucked without jugg sd would be so big
yo this is big true
hollow plover
Played ret last season. Arms is a very easy transition. Fury isn’t terrible eith...
ew ret mentioned
not cool
random ibex
mythic mugzee... doesnt feel good to hold CD's for lust
hollow zephyr
When does the Circlet drop off? Would a crafted ring outweigh it?
hollow plover
When does the Circlet drop off? Would a crafted ring outweigh it?
its different for every character, the only true answer comes from actually simming it
rare kite
with the known bug
What bug
rare kite
If it procs less we prob just choose the other enchant on the wowhead article
spiral coral
@sage badge legend
shadow ibex
ava doubles the procs of SD and immediately gives 2 stacks of SD
Just make bs throw out one or two. BS text is become unstoppable force and the juggernaut talent is called fuckin juggernaut
hollow plover
hollow plover
hows ur prog atm
sage badge
<@95652243235143680> legend
shadow ibex
hows ur prog atm
Arms feels gross on gally imo
hollow plover
Arms feels gross on gally imo
i went fury and now im prot tanking lol
we got down to 8%
fury is rly good tho
feels nice on that fight
spiral coral
<:deswind:533073964096946176>
If only overall was boss damage 
shadow ibex
I want to farm valor to max offhand before I wanna try fury
hollow plover
I want to farm valor to max offhand before I wanna try fury
level alt, ding 80, get 700 valor stones from renown quests
shadow ibex
hollow plover
i maxed this early in season 1 and it helped me tremendously
shadow ibex
I'm off tomorrow I'll probably slam keys tm
hollow plover
I'm off tomorrow I'll probably slam keys tm
o7
minor gust
Arms feels gross on gally imo
you feeling that way too huh
gusty eagle
Guys i kinda need an advice, got an ass trinket in vault but i feel it sims higher just cause of ilvl. ¿Do you recommend me taking it? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v13Ty5wdAUkGv1MTSNzR8S
hollow plover
Guys i kinda need an advice, got an ass trinket in vault but i feel it sims high...
tough one, I'd take a socket probably
personally
but im not sure
(sockets are actually really big, dont underestimate the value of them)
near radish
do you ever lose rewards in horrific visions runs? Like could I just brute force through all 4 zones if i just want to get the lesser rune?
gusty eagle
i would take socket
rough socket
minor gust
basically
shadow ibex
you feeling that way too huh
its no bueno
minor gust
gotta rng slayers strikes for BS cdr for first add set and pop ava 7 seconds before pull for good ava timings but depending on your grp other people are just murdering them anyways
hollow plover
its no bueno
is your groups technician dps chill or nah?
minor gust
my raid is just insta killing tech
minor gust
I see most groups just chill and cleave it not focus it
hollow plover
on our end we had melees force technician dps because our ranges got disgustingly lazy at it
minor gust
these days
hollow plover
specifically balance dru
dreamy egret
should we get a twilight dev for m+?
hollow plover
should we get a twilight dev for m+?
spiral coral
LOL
unborn thistle
Is Mechano-Core Amplifier is it as good as it sims, even more so than some myth dung trinkets?
hollow plover
Is Mechano-Core Amplifier is it as good as it sims, even more so than some myth ...
mechano is a really good trinket
its better than some bad myth trinkets yea
even some decent ones
Actually iirc it's better for aoe than st
but it really depends on sims tbf
unborn thistle
simming vs even priory signet its better, was under the impression signet woulda beat it lol
hollow plover
simming vs even priory signet its better, was under the impression signet woulda...
priory signet is not a good trinket for warr
its solid for the 1st m+ pull burst but it desyncs with ava so it ends up underperforming
shadow ibex
my raid is just insta killing tech
trashmaster mantle in vault
stark cape
Easiest 1 Mask Vision?
Anyone know
minor gust
trashmaster mantle in vault
luckily ive been done with vault for awhile but my pally is getting all the bad luck 3 shit vaults in a row
hollow plover
luckily ive been done with vault for awhile but my pally is getting all the bad ...
pink shit mentioned
minor gust
balmy kindle
I am one boots away from full M set , was insanely lucky
hollow plover
I am one boots away from full M set <:okayge:917646812519739433>, was insanely l...
congrats man
i pray for boots myself
shadow ibex
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
were u delaying avatar on gally
seems split in logs for arms
hollow plover
delay? why?
(idk i play prot on that fight)
ava on pull means it comes back for first wave of adds no?
in intermission
or am i misremembering
minor gust
were u delaying avatar on gally
nah im prepulling ava
saw Tmy doing it tried it and works well with timings
wintry arch
How many seconds on prepull
minor gust
5
wintry arch
Oh ok ty
hollow plover
saw Tmy doing it tried it and works well with timings
how does that work well with timings tho
wintry arch
Idk why I expected a larger number
hollow plover
do yall interrupt gally early ?
minor gust
do yall interrupt gally early ?
were not milking unfort no
hollow plover
yea then im not surprised
I'd pull my hair out
having to pre ava
good thing i tank that shit
the fight is actually fun in p2 p3 as tank
actual stuff to do
not just patchwerk
minor gust
basically if you dont have ava ready for the add set that falls from the sky yeah send ava into prepull
quiet bramble
will arms do well with fury gear?
hollow plover
will arms do well with fury gear?
arms can function with fury gear yes
fury cannot really function well with arms gear tho
quiet bramble
shadow ibex
basically if you dont have ava ready for the add set that falls from the sky yea...
it just feels bad to play here lol
grand sapphire
Arms feels gross on gally imo
i played arms for two days on gally prog, then the first pull we got to execute phase my 12 juggernaut stacks dropped 4 second before boss hit 35%
minor gust
im commited to every boss as arms so we executing
grand sapphire
so i switched to fury and we killed the boss an hour and a half after
0 regrets, it felt inifinetely better
hollow plover
0 regrets, it felt inifinetely better
real
quiet bramble
what's arms M+ rotation, all cds before warbreaker then demolish?
hardy olive
Is Anyone here do the horrific vision just purely for head enchants?
minor gust
the cosmetics are ugly af so yeah
minor gust
like the cosmetics or the visions itself?
shadow ibex
at least its the mythic
i guess?
that set was pretty bad. the purple mythic one at least is voidy tho but idk whats up with the boots
hollow plover
its one of those sets where the helmet turns red when i zoom out
so im not interested personally
shadow ibex
fury big chillin
as soon as i swap from fury i swear my brain forgets frenzy
and then i re-remember it
minor gust
remember when slayer had a similiar talent in it until they were convinced oh this type of mechanic is toxic
meanwhile fury still has it
rare kite
remember when slayer had a similiar talent in it until they were convinced oh th...
took them a while to remove that as well iirc
minor gust
im still on the side of give me DF rage but give me an OGCD abillity to spend it on
rare kite
ignore pain
minor gust
something that doesnt have a cd
shadow ibex
as long as it isnt just use on CD
i liked IP but not liked just p much a button i had to press every 11 secs or im wasting cdr
rare kite
i liked focus rage
shadow ibex
did it have a CD?
i guess it was a talent so hard to understand for someone who wasnt around
like if it were in game right now
we'd just never use slam
if im understanding it right
did yall slam in legion?
rare kite
iirc it had a 1.5 sec cd
rare kite
did yall slam in legion?
we did yeah, but don't remember if we did with focused rage. when i played the most we didn't run focused rage as it got nerfed
wooden tide
void ritual being the best for every class every spec is buns
minor gust
@shadow ibex we started to milk it and now timings feel 100% better always have BS up for first add set and dont have to precast ava holy
shadow ibex
i dont think we will milk it ever
we've locked in for p2 onward now
i think my future is sniping VC BTs
inland drift
What ilvl is the cloak when you get it?
inland drift
Oh mb, yeah the new legendary thingy for horrific visions, not out yet?
minor gust
there is no legendary cloak that was back in BFA
cosmic pecan
topaz dune
boreal hawk
slow saddle
Kindda sad enchants will be removed ngl
But i guess season 3 will also give us some temp powers
Lol btw realised what we are gettin is corruptions of temu
shadow ibex
i would have liked to see an embellishment on HVs
instead of just sorta HV-lite
like visions in BFA were part of player progression no way around it
someone with corrupt vs someone not was like expac in diff
3minute boss sims 
minor gust
Just timed a cinder 17 before servers started shitting the bed
next key healer and dps both dc at the same time on first boss
bright ginkgo
Huuuge
muted tree
hollow plover
god i fuckin hate priests who PI during downtime/intermission
eager sigil
slow saddle
Its high ilvl sooo it better be?🤣
upper geyser
god i fuckin hate priests who PI during downtime/intermission
why would they do that tho
flame them until they become self conscious
slow saddle
For their own healin mby?🤣
slate slate
what head ench we taking?
mint onyx
what courrption enchant do i get for arms
tacit crystal
what courrption enchant do i get for arms
mint onyx
thanks sorrry im dumb and couldnt see it
final dove
ive simmed the new enchants it says echoing void is better?
balmy kindle
Where is arms warrior retrospective 
tender obsidian
Does gushing wounds scale with bleed talents?
thick kelp
yes
thick kelp
what did we do
tacit crystal
kill oab
thick kelp
camilla will partake in the alt raid
tacit crystal
we have alt raid
thick kelp
Find some passion
tacit crystal
walhe can you help me find points where i can get higher coin uptime
thick kelp
yeah
tacit crystal
hmm
i think the weird thing is
swordish just had infinite more uptime than me
im just bad
and prob premoved better
also i was holding my avatar for my 2nd pot
was not a good choice
i thought it would live longer
swift crown
Noober
thick kelp
@reef glade why did u cheat infinite coin uptime?
swift crown
Swordish why cheat when Gio is ethical?
magic canopy
ritual
weary hull
thnx will do
weary hull
bet bet
fast plover
Or go twilight dev and turn off details & hide logs 
cosmic fox
first 100 parse of my life on mythic richard reverberation
boreal quartz
Not locked in
astral yarrow
It'll turn 99 dw
peak basin
No myth weapon still dunno why that wasn’t available for m+ dinars
rain cipher
first 100 parse of my life on mythic richard reverberation
gz even if it drops to 99.
quasi torrent
first 100 parse of my life on mythic richard reverberation
richard radio
upbeat cobalt
Hey Guys, we killed Myth Bandit and i now need to choose what to buy with my dinars. i am stuck between best in slots or upgrading my house of cards from heroic to myth. the difference in the sims shows Best in Slots to be 0,2 and 0,4% better then house of cards. is there any reason why i shouldnt go best in slots or can i just rely on my sim?
quasi torrent
thats kind of the point of sims
slow saddle
Hey Guys, we killed Myth Bandit and i now need to choose what to buy with my din...
bis is bis
spiral coral
No myth weapon still dunno why that wasn’t available for m+ dinars
Because m+ pusher only players (like me) are second rate gamers.
last wagon
hazy saddle
execute
tacit crystal
It'll turn 99 dw <:deadge:900279927138578432>
what do the logs lock in
3.5 hours?
or 0.5
I CNANOT HAVE BeLOW 80 on my gy
slow saddle
hmm
halcyon breach
think its 9am eu tomorrow
Average Aagaard moment
tacit crystal
Average Aagaard moment
do you happen to know
halcyon breach
Hover over and it will tell you
Which means it'll be in 6 minutes according to this 👍
astral yarrow
Average Aagaard moment
fully america coded
tacit crystal
aagard i imported the anki flashcard set
astral yarrow
are you fluent yet?
final dove
with slayer arms - do we use execute at max stacks of executers precision or just send on proc
final dove
whens the most optimal time to send execute
sturdy hearth
to make it simple MS /w 2 exec precision > OP Tactician > execute
tacit crystal
usually
dim basalt
Visions are a lot easier than I thought
Not sure what the point of timegating is when you can already fullclear it easily
slow saddle
Visions are a lot easier than I thought
Tbf masks is what makes it rough no?
rougher
at least
dim basalt
When do we get the major enchants?
slow saddle
next week i think
still sad that it isnt a direct dmg one thats bis
i wanna C the dmg improvement not just sim 😛
cosmic fox
it locked in at 100 
dim basalt
I havent had a 100 parse this season yet
Some close calls tho
But not fun to hunt this season anyway
4p sucks ass
calm hollow
@high field i knew i saw your name before, was your alt?
void shell
That new belt is going to be BIS for everyone isnt it
high field
<@137121312870105089> i knew i saw your name before, was your alt?
nah was my main, didnt play this tier
calm hollow
oh i see!
slender raptor
which corruptions do you guys prefer for m+?
steep osprey
probably void ritual
cold kestrel
yo guys
is it just me or is the corruptions gameplay around 30m max this week?
if you're not into farming the currency for mogs
lol
dim basalt
is it just me or is the corruptions gameplay around 30m max this week?
Sounds about right yeah
astral yarrow
Taiste had parse withdrawals
calm hollow
we void ritual for raid i guess
broken arrow
noice
calm hollow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aZG8tLVfUVotterCb55hE3
no u didnt, thats with greater void
split smelt
2 different wrists, same stats.
split smelt
time for my first socket of the season
olive nest
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c81JBuoNwe72rBxi1gTjhs
Trinkets are pog moment
untold pawn
Hello everyone does anyone have macro to use Best in slot weapon to not accidently swap it to other stat, i had something with 'combat' but i dont remember how to correctly write it
untold pawn
Found it in macro channel 
ty
lean wraith
what you guys using for corruption?
calm topaz
as a new warrior who wants to focus on M Raiding is it better to play/learn arms or fury?
olive nest
It’s better to play the one you’re most comfortable with and get good at it first
Then start multi speccing to be more versatile for your team
calm topaz
well i dont know which one i want to start learning 😄 in M+ i like Arms more
lean wraith
guess im a based chad
aint no way im not picking twilight dev for the first few weeks at least
fond fond memories
olive nest
Real and true
I miss 30 man tank heroic pugs with twilight dev
Cheap fun
Good times
hollow plover
what you guys using for corruption?
a
shadow ibex
Was bfa final patch the most powerful we've been
vast drum
well i dont know which one i want to start learning 😄 in M+ i like Arms more
I find arms to be easier while learning myth fights as a first time mythic raider this tier. I've played fury exclusively before and picked up arms super fast
shadow ibex
Did we ever use 3 min sims across the board in another tier?
vast drum
Especially if you're going to enjoy playing arms for m+ (which makes sense with how miserable fury is atm there) its nice to translate it
calm topaz
I find arms to be easier while learning myth fights as a first time mythic raide...
thank you!
tacit crystal
Taiste had parse withdrawals
im having parse withdrawls
bro i wanna hit the boss again
but i cant do hc if i wanna boost
alpine dew
Is it normal that Cyrced is still a 14k dps upgrade over 681 crafted ring?
vast drum
Mine got replaced by hero jastors and myth championship ring but may just be weird stat values or smth
alpine dew
even hc jastor is a downgrade for me, only thing to sim better is mythic jastor
vast drum
Interesting
vast drum
Hc jastor + roulette wheel (mastery >> haste)
that wheel myth or hero? Either way sick ring
alpine dew
ye, my statweighs favor mastery heavily atm
olive nest
that wheel myth or hero? Either way sick ring
Myth 684
vast drum
Damn
hollow plover
Never drop jug again!!
i wish
shadow ibex
i gotta get off void elf i hate the animations
hollow plover
i gotta get off void elf i hate the animations
i personally feel like the only redeeming factor of velf is the animations
?xd
olive nest
Nelf animations go hard
hollow plover
Nelf animations go hard
thats cope
nova marsh
All of wow's animations are kinda mid to me
reef glade
<@593536556472729602> why did u cheat infinite coin uptime?
I missed like 3 coins too
shit cringus
shadow ibex
i been player cyberpunk and it really seems like i gotta watch this dumb edgerunner show huh
why the fuck is it only on netflix who the fuck invented this
daring heron
the show is great
inland crater
is arms playable on gally?
spiral coral
the show is great
your show is great
daring heron
😳
shadow ibex
maybe ill try it again but i went fury halfway thru last night
shadow ibex
and pulls didnt feel likei was tryin to fit square into round hole
dim basalt
Tbh arms feels like that on heroic as well
shadow ibex
yea but heroic first phase is just ST beating on him until like 50 at this gear lvl and raid buff
first phase completely diff
sharp wyvern
execute phase is chill af tho
shadow ibex
just a matter of do i hate frenzy dropping off more
or jugg
pick your poison: the class
dim basalt
facts
sharp wyvern
next tier 
shadow ibex
walking my floating car
shadow ibex
ill kill you
shadow ibex
its weird that MS is worth pressing as slayer
but exe isnt worth pressing as colossus
shadow ibex
someone got the short hand of the stick
wonder how many weeks until we get news of a doom animated show or movie in the works
its like the reverse of every movie in the 00s having some cheap video game
karl urban as doomguy and just have him do his judge dredd perfomance
dim basalt
20% more demo dmg
Surely thats gonna happen
slow saddle
Surely thats gonna happen
But id wish we got 1 season of demo as bis for raid
naive sage
Delete both hero specs and make something cool for once
slow saddle
For the simple reason, i hate jugglenaut
Arms is cool slayer legit makes arms worse
We big swing dig stick
Is enuff
minor gust
just doesnt feel fun
Convince your guild to milk the cast pretty much solved all my problems with arms on Gally
Can ava on pull will always have BS for first add set and will have CDs for add set that falls from sky
Big vibe
shadow ibex
i was having BS ready for those first adds anyway iirc
i might have delayed it since i didnt want to send with sweeping cuz wanting to milk jugg stacks off the adds
minor gust
Eh it's RNG as arms
minor gust
Your a slave to slayers strikes
spiral coral
Ima fuck around and get this 40k mount from corruptions lol
minor gust
Before we milked it I only was able to get bladestorm for first add set half the time
Was just all rng
shadow ibex
i think mine was up often but our adds are melting
except technician
cuz tech is off in lala land doing his cast
while goons are right in the mix
minor gust
Yeah everyone's focusing adds to for our grp so I just ignore tech until he finally moves into boss then I swap
shadow ibex
ive seen ppl pull him pretty much on to the platform the adds are on
but we dont do that
so it makes aoeing them all a bit more akward since tech is always late to party
minor gust
Yeah the add set before intermission I taunt the techs as well to keep him on the soak
tight python
Quick question, is dungeon slice decent for simming for M+?
minor gust
I don't think so but some people like it. Pick your poison it doesn't really matter
random ibex
Does mugzee dps seem very dependent on juggernaut stacks pre p2? I seem to be stuck at like 2.3-2.6m pre p2
shadow ibex
just make sure youre sweeping executes off add when you can
not much tricks you can do p1
dont get picked for jail
arms has quite a bit of varience between pulls
just make sure u survive in p2 and you'll be high up
minor gust
Can I interest you in all your abilities critting
minor gust
If your raid is full of good boys and letting you kill the add hold CS for it and go-to town with executes
shadow ibex
me when i sweep CS and get good iftk
iftk with bis haste feels unreal
thats only thing making me want to send arms gally
feels like nzoth tier again
minor gust
Get a high stack Jugg then lose it before first jail set because you didn't get an procs
Teehee
shadow ibex
worst feeling this tier for me was stix in exe and about to do final garbage ball cast
max stacks avatar ready and havent been picked yet
so i know its my turn
at least stix doesnt count
coral crescent
losing jugg stacks makes it feel like my brain is being dragged across a cheese grater. idk how yall cope
stronger people than me
minor gust
worst feeling this tier for me was stix in exe and about to do final garbage bal...
Btw go comment on this need to keep it alive
sturdy flicker
i got 1k rep for killing gally.. can i just repeat kills on him for rep?
catch up
weak wave
I'm experiencing a weired bug: Sometimes my Execute increases the remaining CD of Warbreaker by ~1 sec instead of decreasing it by several seconds. Yet I can't say when exactly this happens.
But it happens quickly after beating a dummy
minor gust
its a bug when consuming the 2nd stack of SD
weak wave
Ohh okay!
dim basalt
Anger Management shenanigans
minor gust
bug with AM as it increases CS and BS
weak wave
thanks!
sturdy flicker
so once i killed each raid boss i cant get more rep ? how do u catch up on rep lol
minor gust
You get more rep per kill
minor gust
Rep wise yeah once per boss kill a week
sturdy flicker
kinda lame if u were returning from break everyon has 12% buff and u cant catch up lol
minor gust
you can and you will
its just a raid buff anyways not like it matters for the rest of the game
random ibex
If your raid is full of good boys and letting you kill the add hold CS for it an...
But we aren’t… they are touch of death it and we have a spriest,boomkin and destro cleaving it from the get go
Feels like I should just tunnel and not go out of my way to execute sweep
minor gust
if its dying super quick then yeah dont hold cs for it and just hit boss and sweep a couple executes when you can
random ibex
I havnt been holding cs. When I get giga procs im easily at 2.9-3m going into 2nd mines but usually I lose juggernaut because sadge procs going into 2nd prisons
shadow ibex
if its there no reason not to sweep them to build up/maintain stacks
the second one is where you can build a lot hopefully
but ppl just murder them 😦
random ibex
I just posted the logs from raid last night.
wanton sierra
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/arms-warrior-needs-s3-df-tier-set-as-a-t...
interesting
minor gust
gimmie that tier set back already
wooden lava
Do you think it'd be a realistic change to make the mugzee add bubbles auto drop when he transitions to intermission? @smoky kayak
wanton sierra
gimmie that tier set back already
i agree, i had tons of fun playin with thunder clap proccin
wooden lava
Because more and more guilds are having to hard hold dps for the bullet cone
smoky kayak
add bubbles? you mean the shield mugz gets from not interrupting?
oh you mean the lightning dudes
wooden lava
Nah, the goblin adds
smoky kayak
I mean it'd probably be a good change, but I doubt they'll do it lol
the real issue with Mugz isn't breaking those adds though, you can basically ignore them broken or not
the reason guilds are holding is because they're afraid they can't beat the Jails, and pushing mugz during jails causes a bunch of problems
those lightning adds do very little, and you do get another break late in P2 to at least kill a couple of them before the big bomb set
wooden lava
the reason guilds are holding is because they're afraid they can't beat the Jail...
The jails in p2? The third set?
smoky kayak
the second set in P1, after you cross back over to dirt
smoky kayak
you basically have three good times to push the boss
- w/ a dps stop at 4m (good for tank cooldowns in particular and can put hero into P2)
- before the 2nd set of jails (may require hero on pull, which is worse for P2)
- before the dirt transition entirely (pretty hard without really good dps, but increasingly approachable)
olive nest
My team was holding dps until finger guns hit the adds and then we’d push
This week it’s hard to say
wanton sierra
just a lil funfact about mugz, in my language his name translation is Mag'Guila (its an nice sweet reference for and old brazilian boxer fighter... we brazilians loved the touch
olive nest
Big damage spike this week
smoky kayak
My team was holding dps until finger guns hit the adds and then we’d push
yeah that's the 4m push that basically every group was using up until this week
though it's less about the adds and a lot more about tank CDs + putting hero into P2 (making that phase much shorter)
but with all the extra power inflation we've been getting, it requires holding more and more, like you can very easily end up sitting there for 30s+
olive nest
This week probably 3 heal and full Zug
smoky kayak
3heal is a strat yeah, but just sending hero on pull and beating that 2nd set of jails entirely can also accomplish it, as long as your group is mechanically competent enough not to shit the bed without hero in P2
smoky kayak
its alarming how many groups can go through p1 flawlessly over and over again but then completely brain dump in p2
olive nest
Yep that’s us
dim basalt
We didnt raid yet and I think we could push into P2 before 2nd jails but at this point just keep bl for P2
Everyone is already used to 2nd jails
smoky kayak
Yeah it's really just whether you're happy sitting on your hands for 30s
olive nest
4 cages set happens and brains go where are the markers again? What was my marker again?
smoky kayak
cause you're probably gonna have to stop dps around the time those jails are coming out, and hold for a solid 20-30s
young perch
Guys, on Mugzhee mythic, on the intermission at 40%, why does my charge randomly sometimes take me inside the boss and insta kill me? :o
olive nest
dim basalt
hmm
smoky kayak
Guys, on Mugzhee mythic, on the intermission at 40%, why does my charge randomly...
you're charging too early
dim basalt
Guys, on Mugzhee mythic, on the intermission at 40%, why does my charge randomly...
You charge too early
young perch
ah okey thanks
smoky kayak
if you charge while the enemy is moving, it tries to predict the path, but he ends up stopping while you keep moving
TLDR don't charge until the boss stops moving
young perch
TLDR don't charge until the boss stops moving
all right boss!
smoky kayak
the same thing happens on Sprocket btw, if you charge immediately on knockback while he's still in the air, you're probably going to end up going through the boss
so it's safer to just leap and then charge if you need to
tough tangle
Guys, on Mugzhee mythic, on the intermission at 40%, why does my charge randomly...
If you don’t want to charge you could also just leap the first one, walk over the second (it’s short distance) and then leap again for the third
smoky kayak
also valid, though the charge becomes super reliable once you relax and stop trying to jump the gun (so to speak)
smoky kayak
charging through the mob isn't something that's really meant to happen, so much as just a quirk of how the game calculates relative positions
but there is a bit of a skillgap to it, and I kinda like how it encourages players to slow down and time their movement a little more methodically
tight summit
Anyone who knows what the best Helmet enchant(Rune if you will...) Is the best?
olive nest
Twilight dev for cool based g
Void ritual for cringe min max behavior
olive nest
random ibex
Twilight dev for cool based g
Void ritual for cringe min max behavior
Is echoing void sim bait?
olive nest
Not at all
It’s just a stat proc
It’s good
Wait nvm
You said echoing void
It’s also good yeah
tight summit
Thanks guys
random ibex
I see now that void ritual sims better in MT. Time to change my enchant boys
tight summit
I realized after I done the quest... I can easy buy another rune. 😄
So no need to worry. That's nice!
zenith lodge
any tips on mythic mug zee? feel like I do shit for damage if I dont get good rng with sudden death
smoky kayak
get good rng with sudden death
wintry arch
Don’t get chosen for mechanics. Sweep executed on adds.
smoky kayak
otherwise, it's just uptime, uptime, uptime, and good use of Sweeping Strikes
cerulean flame
I mean mythic mug'zee is just make it to the actual boss fight which just so happens to be execute phase
so just survive with good uptime
👍
hollow plover
I mean mythic mug'zee is just make it to the actual boss fight which just so hap...
if ur looking for progression, solid advice. if ur looking for parses, bad advice
o.o
teal marsh
serene tartan
im sure it is asked a million times but is dungeon slice on raidbots an accurate sim for Arms in M+?
south beacon
Slightly off topic , if you faction change do you lose the 8 mythic dungeons completed for the week for vault?
loud wadi
No
dusky fern
if ur looking for progression, solid advice. if ur looking for parses, bad advic...
Let's see the parse of a dead man
night pine
What dungeons should I use SoA and which should I use Dreadnaught?
placid slate
misty bridge
im sure it is asked a million times but is dungeon slice on raidbots an accurate...
your banner pic XD
sage badge
manic stirrup
ok now google 30 30 20 20
lean geode
@teal fossil 40/40/10/10
olive nest
40/40/10/10
modern pelican
obsidian sand
in ST, in general how long should i hold bladestorm to line up with colossus smash?
zenith warren
is echoing any consideration for arms or ritual as default?
zenith warren
I did see, but if echoing procs more often maybe its a good profile on a specific fight or for colossus in m+, dunno
just wondering
rare kite
ngl i would just send void rit on all content
zenith warren
anyway I can sim it in raidbots? dont see a dedicated option for it
hazy gyro
Does arms have any AoE capped abilities?
zenith warren
nvm it is under enchants
echoing is +4k on ST so I'll just play that for now because it has a nice animation xd
cunning violet
how can I sim cyrce giving haste vs giving Crit?
eager nexus
we need a buff fr
reef glade
how can I sim cyrce giving haste vs giving Crit?
just depends what your highest stats are?
it should conform to the rest of your gear when you do it
stable fiber
just depends what your highest stats are?
you can unequip gear and reequip gear to change the stats
i did it on stix to get crit
reef glade
cunning violet
just depends what your highest stats are?
you can game the ring
my highest stat is mast cause fury gear but I just set it to haste
stable fiber
im not sure how to make it sim crit or haste though
cunning violet
but idk if id rather set it to crit cause i only got 3k crit otherwise
reef glade
if u tryina play arms with 3k crit think uh... u should craft more items
like jewelry
cunning violet
it still sims 2.9m ST
cunning violet
while fury sims 3m
cunning violet
you cannot game the ring if you dont already have high crit
just unequip everything and only 1 crit item
ofc u can xD
stable fiber
thought it updated based off the highest stat
not snapshotted
atleast im pretty sure it does
cunning violet
it snapshots yeah
doesnt update
you can even unsocket the mastery gem
so it counts less mastery before it decides highest secondary
minor gust
oh yeah gally be dead tonight
tawdry sparrow
any macro gurus know how to make a macro for colossus smash and warbreaker? I want to add my best-in-slots to that while house of cards is on avatar macro
minor gust
I mean just /cast colossus smash and /use best in slots thats all you need
tawdry sparrow
it doesnt change to warbeaker in M+ talents
minor gust
just make two macros
edgy canyon
tawdry sparrow
thanks
lean geode
Do not do this
First of all L for genAI code bullshit
But also L because it'll swap your BIS to int/agi
olive nest
lean geode
lean geode
There's a macro there with the /use [combat] 16 that you should use instead of /use best-in-slots
lean geode
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@tawdry sparrow Something like this should work without swapping your BIS to agi/int, also will use your trinket in slot one (if you're using HoC or funhouse or something) and avatar before CS but you can take those lines out. Just be aware that on-use trinkets and BIS share the use cd
#showtooltip
/use 13
/use Avatar
/use [combat] 16
/use [known:Warbreaker] Warbreaker; Colossus Smash
The showtooltip there would show the tooltip for the trinket I think, so you might need to fiddle with
#showtooltip [known:Warbreaker] Warbreaker; Colossus Smash or something, idk if that works off the top of my head
nova marsh
Massive throwing axes
minor gust
no jastors but two fuckin thumbs
no I stayed arms
we decided to milk which made shit feel 100x better
rare kite
nice
olive nest
Massive throwing axes
olive nest
Yoo gz frozo
minor gust
minor gust
fucked up that pull too but oh well
robust cypress
tacit crystal
its just get more stacks and robot
colo will tend to drop haste for crit and mastery
slayer likes haste a lot
but having decent amounts of crit and mastery really go a long way
i need to drop so much haste on ym guy
i need more mastery for colo
dim basalt
How many pulls did you have in the end
balmy kindle
Arms warrior retrospective review where
tacit crystal
did you forget what he said
lilac vapor
hey guys, are there any soft/hard caps for stats for arms?
dim basalt
no
tacit crystal
hey guys, are there any soft/hard caps for stats for arms?
refer to my statements above
balmy kindle
did you forget what he said
Soz I might have missed
lilac vapor
so if i play mostly colossus, and got 22k crit and 14k haste and only 6,5k mastery, i should try to get more mastery and less crit?
dim basalt
so if i play mostly colossus, and got 22k crit and 14k haste and only 6,5k maste...
sim it
balmy kindle
Ask the 🤖
lilac vapor
kk ty!
stable fiber
so if i play mostly colossus, and got 22k crit and 14k haste and only 6,5k maste...
i would sim first, but colossus values crit heavily, especially in AoE, I was stacking as much crit as possible but im pretty sure i still wanted more when i was playing
mastery also has big value in aoe as well
but i think your stats are fine
lilac vapor
thank you 🙂
sterile turret
Hey guys, whats have higher prio in ST opportunist proc or MS resset ?
rare kite
Hey guys, whats have higher prio in ST opportunist proc or MS resset ?
Opportunist
swift crown
die opportunist die
sterile turret
Ty
fresh spire
Die jug
Opportunist not even that bad (probs goes back under ms prio when we drop the gamba tier)
fresh spire
EUHHHHH GOD DAMNIT
quiet yacht
what happened
thick kelp
Big winner
reef glade
did i miss an update im lost lol
The 2nd boss of the raid
thick kelp
The 2nd boss of the raid <:detective:912341312907378689>
Its called Cauldron of Carnage buddy
random ibex
Question boys. Is there ever a point where alchemical chaos flasks aren’t BIS
slow saddle
Question boys. Is there ever a point where alchemical chaos flasks aren’t BIS
Yes if u dont use combat pots🤣
random ibex
Yes if u dont use combat pots🤣
It’s early so it’s going over my head I think. How does not using a tempered pot affect which flask I use?